Turkey may attack israel if airspace violated

[transcendental stallion]

Turkey warns Israel against violating its airspace
Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:33:57 GMT

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has warned Israel of strong reaction should the regime violate his country's airspace in an attempt to spy on Iran.

In an interview with Egyptian journalist Fahmi Huwaidi, Erdogan said Turkey's response to any Israeli violation would cause an "earthquake" in Israel, the Turkish media reported.

His remarks were made after some reports claimed that Israel had violated Turkish airspace in order to spy on Iran.

Endogen, however, rejected the reports.

"Furthermore, the Israeli's cannot use the relationship they have with us as a card to wage aggression on a third party and expect us to stand neutral or with folded hands," the premier concluded.
http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=113335&sectionid=351020204

[runciter]

regardless of how controlled are the leaders of certain countries,

they still have to respond to their people for what they do and say.

in turkey the doenmeh are very powerful, but nobody is all-powerful.

thus spoke mr obvious.

[branjo]

Israel and these popularity contests :rolleyes:, well you've gotta be in it to win it as they say...lol.

"Furthermore, the Israeli's cannot use the relationship they have with us as a card to wage aggression on a third party and expect us to stand neutral or with folded hands," the premier concluded.

That's an old school threat right there. "Act the wanker all you want, but if you come into my garden, your fair game" ... lol.

[runciter]

Israel and these popularity contests :rolleyes:, well you've gotta be in it to win it as they say...lol.



That's an old school threat right there. "Act the wanker all you want, but if you come into my garden, your fair game" ... lol.

would you lol at another war of aggression started by the same guys who destroyed iraq and afghanistan?

(by proxy, so that all the blame went on those stupid gentiles, on their leaders at worst)

edit:

just noticed that it was your post 1,911

[theteamstar]

Turkey in my mind is country that stands up for what they think is right from what I see and fair play to them.

However I wonder how long it will be before the "new" EU train comes flying up thier rear over the Cyprus problem.

One to watch I would say,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[branjo]

would you lol at another war of aggression started by the same guys who destroyed iraq and afghanistan?

(by proxy, so that all the blame went on those stupid gentiles, on their leaders at worst)

edit:

just noticed that it was your post 1,911

The entirety of wars are one big LOL dude.

[amaralsright]

Uh-oh... this could impact badly on the Eurovision Song Contest.

[runciter]

The entirety of wars are one big LOL dude.

death and destruction don't make me laugh, usually, but there's that monty python movie...

seriously, i don't think it's respectful for the people who live in countries plagued by war, to lol @ it.

[mv8800]

Turkey will eat Israel. Population 75 million. All males have to do national service. That's a big army. Israel, size of wales. Population 7 million.

If Israel can't reach Iran now then some other country will have to go on for them...

Who will that be? Anwsers on a post card.

[icarus]

Turkey will eat Israel. Population 75 million. All males have to do national service. That's a big army. Israel, size of wales. Population 7 million.

If Israel can't reach Iran now then some other country will have to go on for them...

Who will that be? Anwsers on a post card.

israel controls america and half of europe though, so it's more than a match for turkey and any other country for that matter

they've also been building up that secret arsenal under dimona for decades since stealing the tech from america, offically fourth largest nuclear arsenal but i'd guess they're the biggest by now, which may be part of the reason our governments suck up to these psychos so much

some people speculate nukes in european and american cities waiting to go, i wouldn't put it past the animals that did 911, they are religious zealots after all

turkey may be a good sign though, the signs are everywhere that the world has had a gut full of these creatures

[eternal_spirit]

Uh-oh... this could impact badly on the Eurovision Song Contest.
I think they may still qualify, isn't Turkey due to become part of the EU? (or are they in already?) Imagine another majority Islamic country (Muslim population close to 100%) added to the declining indigenous European population.

Thinking of going into business? when the next phase of Islamisation begins start up a business called Kafir Minaret developers or Church demolishers inc. Start up a counter revolution with are Dhimmies dummies? slogans.

The Turks want the Jews out too huh? They are greedy Islam took over Turkey destroyed the control centre of Christianity in the city that was once known as Constantinople, converted Churches into Mosques and centuries later the country is almost totally ISLAMIC, just one example of many (GET IT YET?)

Why would Israel wanna do roast Turkey?

[rodin]

turkey may be a good sign though, the signs are everywhere that the world has had a gut full of these creatures

Erdogan and Putin - the alternative to 'Zionism'

Controlled opposition is fractal I am thinking

[rodin]

I think they may still qualify, isn't Turkey due to become part of the EU? (or are they in already?) ...

The Donmeh property developers are pushing for. Trad. Turks don't want anything to do with the EU. Of course they won't get their way in the end.

[icarus]

Erdogan and Putin - the alternative to 'Zionism'

Controlled opposition is fractal I am thinking

yes i did consider that, but turkey's population is not like us brits, much harder to control

turkey's leaders walk a tight rope it seems to me, whereas in the UK/america/most of Europe they can feed us any old shit and get away with it

it may be wishful thinking to hope that turkey and elsewhere are starting to see the light, but i don't like the theory that literally eveything is controlled, including boards like this one and all apparent opposition

if that really is the case we're probably fucked

i still think there is genuine resistance, and not just among the less powerful but among groups who have no more wish to live under true fascism then we do

[dragond]

I think they may still qualify, isn't Turkey due to become part of the EU? (or are they in already?) Imagine another majority Islamic country (Muslim population close to 100%) added to the declining indigenous European population.

Thinking of going into business? when the next phase of Islamisation begins start up a business called Kafir Minaret developers or Church demolishers inc. Start up a counter revolution with are Dhimmies dummies? slogans.

The Turks want the Jews out too huh? They are greedy Islam took over Turkey destroyed the control centre of Christianity in the city that was once known as Constantinople, converted Churches into Mosques and centuries later the country is almost totally ISLAMIC, just one example of many (GET IT YET?)

Why would Israel wanna do roast Turkey?

Turkey isnt in the EU and they KNOW that they will never be fully accepted to be part of the EU. To be frank Most people in Turkey dont even want to be a part of the christian club. With that being said i never fully understood why turkey would want to be a puppet to the christians when they can be the master of the muslim nations? I dont know where u got the '' Imagine another majority Islamic country (Muslim population close to 100%) added to the declining indigenous European population. '' when there isnt a single muslim country in EU??

For a long time now Turkey could not use its own resources in its own land due to the IMF. they have been close to being crippled by the past NWO leaders and forced to borrow loans in exchange for its natural resources and in most parts still do.

One last note. greedy Islam did take over from the Greedy Christians and like in any war the winner replaced what the looser stood for, so i dont even know why u wrote that part about the greedy??


D

[eternal_spirit]

The Turks will never leave Cyprus unless the Greeks and the EUro-dhimmies get their act together. Islam, Islamic Turkey is an implacable enemy to all of Europe, to freedom, democracy and human rights.
Fat chance though: the self-hating Greeks and the fearful, useless bureaucrats that govern the EU prefer to weasel and lie about the horrible situation in Northern Cyprus. It is easier and far more convenient to smear everyone who criticizes them as “right wing extremists, Fascists, Nazis or Islamophobes”. And the useful idiots from the media sing along and blame Israel instead. A dissonant, ugly tune indeed…
http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/piedocul2.gif
The Muslim occupied churches of Cyprus (http://infidelsunite.typepad.com/counter_jihad/2009/07/the-muslim-occupied-churches-of-cyprus.html)

http://infidelsunite.typepad.com/.a/6a0111685b4b71970c01157151054e970c-800wi (http://infidelsunite.typepad.com/.a/6a0111685b4b71970c01157151054e970c-pi)
The Weekly Standard (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/786ooxze.asp) – Katherine Eastland/H/T Counter Jihad
Last week in Washington, D.C., more pressure was exerted on Turkey to recognize the widespread depredation and pillage of religious sites and objects in the northern third of Cyprus. This third, otherwise known as the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus–an illegal, unilaterally declared state recognized by Ankara only–is the land Turkey seized in 1974 and still holds under military occupation.On Tuesday, July 21–one day after the 35-year anniversary of Turkey’s first invasion on the island in 1974–the U.S. Helsinki Commission released a report for Congress. This 50-page report is entitled “Destruction of Cultural Property in the Northern Part of Cyprus and Violations of International Law” and is presently available online at csce.gov.
The report roundly acknowledges what the government of Cyprus and the Autocephalous Greek Orthodox Church of Cyprus, along with many scholars and journalists, have already observed: that “a plethora of archaeological and religious sites have been damaged” and that they are still “in peril.”
The report notes that “500 Greek Orthodox churches and chapels have been pillaged, vandalized, or demolished; 133 churches, chapels, and monasteries have been desecrated; the whereabouts of 15,000 paintings are unknown; 77 churches have been converted into mosques, 28 are being used by the Turkish military forces as hospitals or camps; and 13 are used as agricultural barns.”
Concluding remarks in the report find that “under conventional and customary law, Turkey, as an occupying power, bears responsibility for acts against cultural property.” International humanitarian law pertaining to the protection of religious sites and objects is referenced throughout the report. Under the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY), for instance, and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC), destruction of cultural property is considered a war crime.
The Commission’s report is notable not for presenting new information, but for being an additional witness, in another forum and before another audience, to the myriad acts of destruction and theft which have occurred, and continue to occur, in the northern third of Cyprus–and under the constant eye of the Turkish military, a force that is 43,000 soldiers strong on the island. Several of the ruined churches were, or still are, within Turkish military camps; their destruction could not have happened without the military’s help and/or compliance. >>>
Previous Posts on Winds of Jihad:


Turkey loves to occupy Cyprus (http://sheikyermami.com/2009/07/21/turkey-loves-to-occupy-cyprus/)
Why doesn’t anyone talk about the Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus? (http://sheikyermami.com/2009/07/24/why-doesnt-anyone-talk-about-the-turkish-occupation-of-northern-cyprus/)
UK’s dumbest Jew shills for Islamic Turkey in the EU (http://sheikyermami.com/2009/05/28/uks-dumbest-jew-shills-for-islamic-turkey-in-the-eu/)
Greeks “increasingly xenophobic”- really? (http://sheikyermami.com/2009/05/28/greeks-increasingly-xenophobic-really/)
America’s Muslim President calls for Turkey’s admission to EU; France, Germany not thrilled (http://sheikyermami.com/2009/04/05/americas-muslim-president-calls-for-turkeys-admission-to-eu-france-germany-not-thrilled/)
A Flying Pig Moment: French PM Remembers…Cyprus! (http://sheikyermami.com/2008/05/10/a-flying-pig-moment-somebody-rememberscyprus/)

[branjo]

death and destruction don't make me laugh, usually, but there's that monty python movie...

seriously, i don't think it's respectful for the people who live in countries plagued by war, to lol @ it.

Sorry, the high moral ground is lost on me, I will lol at whatever I can lol at, before there is nothing at all to lol at anymore :)

[dragond]

why would turkish cypriots leave cyprus when its their home? u say turkey invaded cyprus and destroyed the churches and so on. Have a look at what any of the Christian countries did when they invade and i dont see why should it be any different when it comes to the muslims? Turkey was the OTTOMAN EMPIRE who owned most of middle east, north Africa and EUROPE! and that wasnt even too long ago. What ur doing is prasing CHRISTIANITY and cursing ISLAM when both are bad for ur health?? Religion in it self is bad and just because they build pretty structures doesnt make them any good. What goes up Must come down!


D

[eternal_spirit]

why would turkish cypriots leave cyprus when its their home? u say turkey invaded cyprus and destroyed the churches and so on. Have a look at what any of the Christian countries did when they invade and i dont see why should it be any different when it comes to the muslims? Turkey was the OTTOMAN EMPIRE who owned most of middle east, north Africa and EUROPE! and that wasnt even too long ago. What ur doing is prasing CHRISTIANITY and cursing ISLAM when both are bad for ur health?? Religion in it self is bad and just because they build pretty structures doesnt make them any good. What goes up Must come down!


D
Okay I was pointing out the hypocrisy, we have Muslims in many countries who condem Isreal/Jews (even though the Jewish religion claims to have existed before Islam did in the Holy lands and Islam invaded the holy lands and took over what was Jewish land originally)

Plus the Islamisation continues in many countries same as the Ottoman Empire and the 1400 year history of invasions and conversions to Islam - It's still happening today!

Point is a secular society is more possible in a majority Christian country, a majority Islamic country under Sharia is next to impossible. (find out what Dhimmies are - none Muslims in a Muslim ruled country)

If Turkey becomes part of the EU then expect the next wave of Jihad via Islamic population increases.

Europe has fallen to Islam before, and they have kicked Islam out more than once, for reasons of self preservation. But now who ever owns the European politicians they have on purpose allowed mass immigration of Muslims into Europe.

[orderoutofchaos]

I think they may still qualify, isn't Turkey due to become part of the EU? (or are they in already?) Imagine another majority Islamic country (Muslim population close to 100%) added to the declining indigenous European population.

Thinking of going into business? when the next phase of Islamisation begins start up a business called Kafir Minaret developers or Church demolishers inc. Start up a counter revolution with are Dhimmies dummies? slogans.

The Turks want the Jews out too huh? They are greedy Islam took over Turkey destroyed the control centre of Christianity in the city that was once known as Constantinople, converted Churches into Mosques and centuries later the country is almost totally ISLAMIC, just one example of many (GET IT YET?)

Why would Israel wanna do roast Turkey?


Do you know there are Churches in Turkey a MUSLIM country. They are a tolerant society but will not be bullied by the jews. Whats so wrong with Turkey becoming part of Europe? They are the most forward thinking country in the middle east.

[orderoutofchaos]

Okay I was pointing out the hypocrisy, we have Muslims in many countries who condem Isreal/Jews (even though the Jewish religion claims to have existed before Islam did in the Holy lands and Islam invaded the holy lands and took over what was Jewish land originally)

Plus the Islamisation continues in many countries same as the Ottoman Empire and the 1400 year history of invasions and conversions to Islam - It's still happening today!

Point is a secular society is more possible in a majority Christian country, a majority Islamic country under Sharia is next to impossible. (find out what Dhimmies are - none Muslims in a Muslim ruled country)

If Turkey becomes part of the EU then expect the next wave of Jihad via Islamic population increases.

Europe has fallen to Islam before, and they have kicked Islam out more than once, for reasons of self preservation. But now who ever owns the European politicians they have on purpose allowed mass immigration of Muslims into Europe.

You have been brainwashed by your government. While everyone is talking about the Muslims the ptb are pushing forward there new world order plans. You have fallen for it hook line and sinker. The oldest trick in the book: DIVIDE AND RULE

[orderoutofchaos]

The Turks will never leave Cyprus unless the Greeks and the EUro-dhimmies get their act together. Islam, Islamic Turkey is an implacable enemy to all of Europe, to freedom, democracy and human rights.
Fat chance though: the self-hating Greeks and the fearful, useless bureaucrats that govern the EU prefer to weasel and lie about the horrible situation in Northern Cyprus. It is easier and far more convenient to smear everyone who criticizes them as “right wing extremists, Fascists, Nazis or Islamophobes”. And the useful idiots from the media sing along and blame Israel instead. A dissonant, ugly tune indeed…
http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/piedocul2.gif
The Muslim occupied churches of Cyprus (http://infidelsunite.typepad.com/counter_jihad/2009/07/the-muslim-occupied-churches-of-cyprus.html)

http://infidelsunite.typepad.com/.a/6a0111685b4b71970c01157151054e970c-800wi (http://infidelsunite.typepad.com/.a/6a0111685b4b71970c01157151054e970c-pi)
The Weekly Standard (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/786ooxze.asp) – Katherine Eastland/H/T Counter Jihad
Last week in Washington, D.C., more pressure was exerted on Turkey to recognize the widespread depredation and pillage of religious sites and objects in the northern third of Cyprus. This third, otherwise known as the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus–an illegal, unilaterally declared state recognized by Ankara only–is the land Turkey seized in 1974 and still holds under military occupation.On Tuesday, July 21–one day after the 35-year anniversary of Turkey’s first invasion on the island in 1974–the U.S. Helsinki Commission released a report for Congress. This 50-page report is entitled “Destruction of Cultural Property in the Northern Part of Cyprus and Violations of International Law” and is presently available online at csce.gov.
The report roundly acknowledges what the government of Cyprus and the Autocephalous Greek Orthodox Church of Cyprus, along with many scholars and journalists, have already observed: that “a plethora of archaeological and religious sites have been damaged” and that they are still “in peril.”
The report notes that “500 Greek Orthodox churches and chapels have been pillaged, vandalized, or demolished; 133 churches, chapels, and monasteries have been desecrated; the whereabouts of 15,000 paintings are unknown; 77 churches have been converted into mosques, 28 are being used by the Turkish military forces as hospitals or camps; and 13 are used as agricultural barns.”
Concluding remarks in the report find that “under conventional and customary law, Turkey, as an occupying power, bears responsibility for acts against cultural property.” International humanitarian law pertaining to the protection of religious sites and objects is referenced throughout the report. Under the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY), for instance, and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC), destruction of cultural property is considered a war crime.
The Commission’s report is notable not for presenting new information, but for being an additional witness, in another forum and before another audience, to the myriad acts of destruction and theft which have occurred, and continue to occur, in the northern third of Cyprus–and under the constant eye of the Turkish military, a force that is 43,000 soldiers strong on the island. Several of the ruined churches were, or still are, within Turkish military camps; their destruction could not have happened without the military’s help and/or compliance. >>>
Previous Posts on Winds of Jihad:


Turkey loves to occupy Cyprus (http://sheikyermami.com/2009/07/21/turkey-loves-to-occupy-cyprus/)
Why doesn’t anyone talk about the Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus? (http://sheikyermami.com/2009/07/24/why-doesnt-anyone-talk-about-the-turkish-occupation-of-northern-cyprus/)
UK’s dumbest Jew shills for Islamic Turkey in the EU (http://sheikyermami.com/2009/05/28/uks-dumbest-jew-shills-for-islamic-turkey-in-the-eu/)
Greeks “increasingly xenophobic”- really? (http://sheikyermami.com/2009/05/28/greeks-increasingly-xenophobic-really/)
America’s Muslim President calls for Turkey’s admission to EU; France, Germany not thrilled (http://sheikyermami.com/2009/04/05/americas-muslim-president-calls-for-turkeys-admission-to-eu-france-germany-not-thrilled/)
A Flying Pig Moment: French PM Remembers…Cyprus! (http://sheikyermami.com/2008/05/10/a-flying-pig-moment-somebody-rememberscyprus/)


Cyprus will ALWAYS be Turkish.

[dragond]

Okay I was pointing out the hypocrisy, we have Muslims in many countries who condem Isreal/Jews (even though the Jewish religion claims to have existed before Islam did in the Holy lands and Islam invaded the holy lands and took over what was Jewish land originally)

Plus the Islamisation continues in many countries same as the Ottoman Empire and the 1400 year history of invasions and conversions to Islam - It's still happening today!

Point is a secular society is more possible in a majority Christian country, a majority Islamic country under Sharia is next to impossible. (find out what Dhimmies are - none Muslims in a Muslim ruled country)

If Turkey becomes part of the EU then expect the next wave of Jihad via Islamic population increases.

Europe has fallen to Islam before, and they have kicked Islam out more than once, for reasons of self preservation. But now who ever owns the European politicians they have on purpose allowed mass immigration of Muslims into Europe.

Im sorry to dissapoint you but turkey isnt rulled by Sharia Law, and im suprised how u came to that conclusion?? Its as much as democratic as UK or US.. Some might argue Turkey has more freedom to its citizens than UK or the US.. Believe it or not turkey's founder Ataturk exiled the religious leaders, the imams when turkey became a republic. But shit happens when religion gets involved.. Turkey also doesnt have 1 religion even though the religious people will make u think it does. Im from Turkey and i despise religion, so u dont have to worry about me putting a Fatwa on u :D

U might be suprised to find out how modern turkey really is..Just because u see some backward people on tv doesnt mean we all are, which is the same in any western country really.

Also where do u get the Jewish/Holy Land from?? No land is no mans land untill someone invades or occupies it. keep that in mind.

u say '' Plus the Islamisation continues in many countries same as the Ottoman Empire and the 1400 year history of invasions and conversions to Islam - It's still happening today! '' errmm did u forget the Holy crusades? How many non christian people were slaughtered? Conversions to christianity in South America, in europe or in Africa and Asia??
How about Afganistan and Iraq, these countries are the most recent ones u should remember.. Do u see the $$$ or the £££ in the churches eyes?? i see Jehovas Witnesses running wild! people are still brain washed in to christianity as we speak!

Look im not defending Islam over Christianity, I despise religion.. i said it before.. But what seems to me is ur trying to promote christianity and its wonderfull churches and beautiful buildings to the evil Islam who offered nothing but the sharia law and fatwas and they are out to get u!.. Many beautiful islamic structures were destroyed by christians, did u know that? Did u know maths was first used in Islamic countries? ( u cant create what always existed, thats why im saying it was used )

Your arguements seems to me like a little power hungry kid crying because somebody took his powers away..

learn to appericiate the change.. WHAT GOES UP MUST COME DOWN! :D


D

[dragond]

You have been brainwashed by your government. While everyone is talking about the Muslims the ptb are pushing forward there new world order plans. You have fallen for it hook line and sinker. The oldest trick in the book: DIVIDE AND RULE

This is really what i wanted to say but like many turks i have a little nationalistic side which is engraved without my permission :( cant help it


D

[dragond]

The Muslims occupied churches of Cyprus

Also i found this very funny.. How about something like this?


The Christians occupied Temples of Greece


D

[transcendental stallion]

israel controls america and half of europe though, so it's more than a match for turkey and any other country for that matter You sound foolish. israel isn't as strong as Western media propagate them to be. Have you learned nothing from HazBollah humiliating them before the eyes of the world? The 2000 defeat and 2006 defeats both
led to more victories. Israel tried to get the United States to FORCE HazBollah to disarm. Condoleeza Rice stated that D.C. can not make HazBollah disarm. That even reveal that israel's political leverage in D.C. isn't
fully theirs as the White House showed opposition to israel's requests. Even after Hazbollah has gotten stronger. No one sided with israel and some have stated such as Australia, U.K. and the USA that they are not interested in war against Iran. Turkey and Russia are the only two nations that could tangle with Iran.

Israel has been warned by Turkey to stop using it's airspace for military manuevers. Before Israel used Turkey airapace to attack trucks carrying North Korean missiles without Turkey's permission. This was to decieve Syria into thinking it was an attack by Turkey. Turkey has figured out that israel attacks others and blame others for the attacks. They don't want israel to attack Syria/Iran and blame Turkey the way israel attack Russia and blame Chechyan/Georgian rebels. Israel has been warned by Turkey. Thei usual wahorses whom don't want to be humiliated by Iran are no quicker to jump against Turkey.

Israel isn't a state or American territory. If they decide to attack anyone in the region no wone will aid them in warfare, yet israel know that they can not ight without aid. Did you know that after 2006 israel almost collapsed?
HazBollah almost collapsed israel and that was with rocket attacks. Imagine if
they went toe-to-toe against Turkey. I have ALWAYS told Middle Easterns that israel has no ability to fight a true war. They gave up the 33-Day war because their economy needed bandages bad. Any longer and who knows what israel would be experiencing today? I doubt israel will provoke Turkey, HazBollah and Iran. They likely will stick to those whom they can abuse. The Palestinians.
If Israel were to violate Turkish airspace in order to conduct reconnaissance operations on Iran, Ankara's reaction would resemble an "earthquake," Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in an interview with Egyptian journalist Fahmi Huwaidi published Thursday morning.

World Responding to a question concerning rumors that Israel had entered Turkey's airspace for espionage purposes, Erdogan said that such a thing had never happened, but that the consequences would be dire if it did.

"[Israel] will receive a response equal to that of an earthquake," he cautioned, urging Israel's leaders to refrain from "using the relationship they have with [Turkey] as a card to wage aggression on a third party."

Ankara would not be a neutral party and stand aside with its arms folded, he said.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1260181037328&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[omegasol]

Turkey will eat Israel. Population 75 million. All males have to do national service. That's a big army. Israel, size of wales. Population 7 million.

If Israel can't reach Iran now then some other country will have to go on for them...


LOL. israel could wipe any arab (turk, persian, whatever, same sh*t) country from the map within hours. nukes > arabs.

besides that. why should israel penetrate turkish airspace?

let me help you clever "truthseekers". take a look at this map and:

1. locate israel
2. locate iran
3. locate turkey
4. surprise!

http://www.fashion-res.com/EX/10-08-09/map-middle-east-735329.gif

[eternal_spirit]

Im sorry to dissapoint you but turkey isnt rulled by Sharia Law, and im suprised how u came to that conclusion?? Its as much as democratic as UK or US.. Some might argue Turkey has more freedom to its citizens than UK or the US.. Believe it or not turkey's founder Ataturk exiled the religious leaders, the imams when turkey became a republic. But shit happens when religion gets involved.. Turkey also doesnt have 1 religion even though the religious people will make u think it does. Im from Turkey and i despise religion, so u dont have to worry about me putting a Fatwa on u :D

U might be suprised to find out how modern turkey really is..Just because u see some backward people on tv doesnt mean we all are, which is the same in any western country really.

Also where do u get the Jewish/Holy Land from?? No land is no mans land untill someone invades or occupies it. keep that in mind.

u say '' Plus the Islamisation continues in many countries same as the Ottoman Empire and the 1400 year history of invasions and conversions to Islam - It's still happening today! '' errmm did u forget the Holy crusades? How many non christian people were slaughtered? Conversions to christianity in South America, in europe or in Africa and Asia??
How about Afganistan and Iraq, these countries are the most recent ones u should remember.. Do u see the $$$ or the £££ in the churches eyes?? i see Jehovas Witnesses running wild! people are still brain washed in to christianity as we speak!

Look im not defending Islam over Christianity, I despise religion.. i said it before.. But what seems to me is ur trying to promote christianity and its wonderfull churches and beautiful buildings to the evil Islam who offered nothing but the sharia law and fatwas and they are out to get u!.. Many beautiful islamic structures were destroyed by christians, did u know that? Did u know maths was first used in Islamic countries? ( u cant create what always existed, thats why im saying it was used )

Your arguements seems to me like a little power hungry kid crying because somebody took his powers away..

learn to appericiate the change.. WHAT GOES UP MUST COME DOWN! :D


D
Never said it was ruled by Sharia.

The Crusades where in response to centuries of Islamic invasions and take overs of Europe. (Islamic Ottoman Empire was the last time) The Europeans booted them out for self preservation. (understand Islam attacked Europe first) this went on for centuries.


I know enough about how Islam takes over countries (look at the world map is confirmation and study the history)

Holy Lands )the Jews where there before Islam invaded) So for the Muslims to moan that the Jews took the land back, whose was it in the first place? (this is about Jews and Muslims fighting over that land - not my beliefs or opinions)

I am not religious.

Islam only absorbed (or stole) any sciences from other countries and cultures, they never invented zilch themselves.

Turkey is the successor state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne) to the Ottoman Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire).[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#cite_note-7) It is a democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy), secular (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state), unitary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_state), constitutional republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic), whose political system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Turkey) was established in 1923 under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk), following the fall of the Ottoman Empire in the aftermath of World War I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I). Since then, Turkey has become increasingly integrated with the West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world) through membership in organizations such as the Council of Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Europe), NATO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO), OECD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OECD), WEOG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WEOG), OSCE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSCE) and the G-20 major economies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-20_major_economies). Turkey began full membership negotiations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union) with the European Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union) in 2005, having been an associate member (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankara_Agreement) of the EEC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Community) since 1963, and having reached a customs union agreement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union%E2%80%93Turkey_Customs_Union) in 1995. Turkey has also fostered close cultural, political, economic and industrial relations with the Eastern world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_world), particularly with the states of the Middle East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East) and Central Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia), through membership in organizations such as the OIC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_the_Islamic_Conference) and ECO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Cooperation_Organization). [/URL] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#cite_note-CIA-Appendix-8)


Turkey is a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state"]secular state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#cite_note-10) with no official state religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion); the Turkish Constitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Constitution) provides for freedom of religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion) and conscience.[102] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#cite_note-101)[103] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#cite_note-102) According to 2009 data on the world's Muslim populations, 73.6 million people in Turkey are Muslims or 98% of the total population.[104] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#cite_note-mgmpPRC-103) The majority of the Muslims are Sunni (85-90%) and a large minority are Alevi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alevism) (10-15%), a sect within Twelver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelver) Shi'a Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi%27a_Islam), numbering from 7–11 million.[104] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#cite_note-mgmpPRC-103) The highest Islamic religious authority is the Presidency of Religious Affairs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Religious_Affairs) (Turkish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_language): Diyanet İşleri Başkanlığı), it interprets the Hanafi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanafi) school of law, and is responsible for regulating the operation of the country's 75,000 registered mosques and employing local and provincial imams.[105] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#cite_note-religiousfreedomreport-104) Based on a nationwide survey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survey) in 2007 however, it showed 96.8% of Turkish citizens have a religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion), while 3.2% are irreligious (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion) and atheists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism).[106] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#cite_note-105) There are less than 100,000 minorities which follow other religions,[107] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#cite_note-106) mainly Christians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity), mostly Armenian Apostolic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Apostolic) and Greek Orthodox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Orthodox) (64,000 people) and Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism), mainly Sephardi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardi) (26,000 people).[108] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#cite_note-107)[109] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#cite_note-108) According to a Pew Research Center (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pew_Research_Center) report in 2002, 65% of the people believe "religion is very important",[110] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#cite_note-Pew_Research_Center-109) while according to a Eurobarometer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurobarometer) poll in 2005, 95% of citizens responded that they believe "there is a God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God)".[111] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#cite_note-110)In India the ruthlessness of muslim invaders continued for a thousand years.

Will Durant, the famous historian summed it up like this:
“The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history.

As a contribution to research on the quantity of the Islamic crimes against humanity, we may mention that the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate)..

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058471149&postcount=101

and

a few examples

Government of Bangladesh has published many Census documents. In 1941; 28.3 percent of the total population was minorities. Out of this, of Hindu was 11.88 million, while 588 thousand was other religious and ethnic minorities, like Buddhist, Christian and animist. As per 1991 Census; the Muslim majority increased 219.5 percent while the Hindu community increased by 4.5 percent. If usual increase rate prevailed, the number of the Hindu community would have been 32.5 million in 1991, but the actual figure is 12.5 million. It means twenty million Hindu souls are missing. (Samad, 1998). Is the Bangladeshi Government ready to give a satisfactory explanation, how those twenty million souls had vanished in fifty years? Did they vanish into thin air like a Houdini magic?

Bangladesh is on her way to become a ‘Talibanistan’ and the state religion Islam is ruthlessly overcoming all obstacles in its path by killing and displacing the minorities. And nobody is spared – let it be Hindus, Christians, Buddhists and Animists. It includes the eradication of the cultural memory of the group (destroying its Temples, churches, libraries, museums, street names etc.). Islamic extremists have already formed a shadow government in Bangladesh. Roads of Bangladesh are shacked with the slogan “We are Taliban and Bangla Will be Afghan”. It’s long since democracy had died in Bangladesh and the Islamic theocracy had triumphed. In the near future Bangladesh will become the highest threat before world peace and security.
Ethnic cleansing of the Minorities in Bangladesh (then East Pakistan)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058471302&postcount=103


PS The priesthoods and religions have no control over countries laws TODAY/PRESENT TENSE(unless it's Islamic countries)

Now think about it (Sharia)

[runciter]

LOL. israel could wipe any arab (turk, persian, whatever, same sh*t) country from the map within hours. nukes > arabs.

why don't they do it then?

besides that. why should israel penetrate turkish airspace?

let me help you clever "truthseekers". take a look at this map and:

1. locate israel
2. locate iran
3. locate turkey
4. surprise!

http://www.fashion-res.com/EX/10-08-09/map-middle-east-735329.gif

are they free to fly over syria, jordan and saudi arabia, if they want to attack iran?

[eternal_spirit]

According to 2009 data on the world's Muslim populations, 73.6 million people in Turkey are Muslims or 98% of the total population.[104] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#cite_note-mgmpPRC-103) The majority of the Muslims are Sunni (85-90%) and a large minority are Alevi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alevism) (10-15%), a sect within Twelver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelver) Shi'a Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi%27a_Islam)Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) is the official religion of the Islamic Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Republic) of Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran). It is estimated that some 98% of Iranians are Muslims (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims), where 90 pp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentage_points) are Shi'a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi%27a) Muslims and 8 pp are Sunni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunni) Muslims.Religious sects at war maybe? Sunni versus Shiite (Shi'a)

[runciter]

israel can only exist within these borders

http://www.transitionsabroad.com/images/maps/israel_palestine_map.gif

[rodin]

yes i did consider that, but turkey's population is not like us brits, much harder to control

turkey's leaders walk a tight rope it seems to me, whereas in the UK/america/most of Europe they can feed us any old shit and get away with it

it may be wishful thinking to hope that turkey and elsewhere are starting to see the light, but i don't like the theory that literally eveything is controlled, including boards like this one and all apparent opposition

if that really is the case we're probably fucked

i still think there is genuine resistance, and not just among the less powerful but among groups who have no more wish to live under true fascism then we do

The Military

The farmers etc lots of self-sufficiency

In a generation it will lose much thru media. Newspapers are similar to ours 20 years ago and Satellite TV has everything

Only thing censored is You Tube for some reason

[amaralsright]

israel can only exist within these borders

http://www.transitionsabroad.com/images/maps/israel_palestine_map.gif

http://zuhayer.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/israel-palestine_maps.jpg

[runciter]

^ yes i posted that image a couple of times, in other threads :)

not sure if a "jewish state" should exist at all, but its borders can't be larger than that (pre-1967).

this point should be made clear, otherwise the gangsters will go on endlessly with their manipulation.

the only alternative is a single multiethnic state, called palestine, and i tend to favour this solution.

edit:

unless one wants to consider a dejewification of that region... it doesn't sound like a great idea.

[runciter]

i'm trying to look at things from a practical point of view, one step at a time.

i know well that many of us here see the very existence of israel as an aberration.

especially knowing what effect it has on all those dual-citizens abroad: it's a poison.

edit:

pardon, i forgot to mention what the israelis are doing to the palestinians, shame on me.

[runciter]

and of course there is the holothing.

a shocking revelation on that topic would dramatically change the scenario.

it would probably lead to the dissolution (assimilation) of the "jewish people", i guess.

assimilation was a natural trend, after all, before the zionist plague began spreading.

[icarus]

i'm a curious anti semite in that i want occupied Palestine to be returned to it's former state of unoccupied Palestine, and for all Jews who cannot trace their ancestry in that palce back for a few generations to return to their countries of origin.

They should of course be well compensated for this move, by the Rothschilds who appear to be behind this despicable project in the first place. The rothschilds have also received considerable money from us all in the last few years, via their agents like Madoff, so they should be able to afford it.

most anti semites want jews out of their country, but i want them all to return, denounce the hideous idealogy of zionism, and fully integrate back into their countries of true origin.

Palestine can once again be the beautiful place it was before it was destroyed under the bayonet, and we can all stop endlessly posting about this on the interent. The world will be a slightly better place without this dark beacon of tolerated fascism in our midst, dragging the rest of us down to their level, ie guantanamo, which was pure israeli inspired.

[runciter]

i'm a curious anti semite in that i want occupied Palestine to be returned to it's former state of unoccupied Palestine, and for all Jews who cannot trace their ancestry in that palce back for a few generations to return to their countries of origin.

They should of course be well compensated for this move, by the Rothschilds who appear to be behind this despicable project in the first place. The rothschilds have also received considerable money from us all in the last few years, via their agents like Madoff, so they should be able to afford it.

most anti semites want jews out of their country, but i want them all to return, denounce the hideous idealogy of zionism, and fully integrate back into their countries of true origin.

Palestine can once again be the beautiful place it was before it was destroyed under the bayonet, and we can all stop endlessly posting about this on the interent. The world will be a slightly better place without this dark beacon of tolerated fascism in our midst, dragging the rest of us down to their level, ie guantanamo, which was pure israeli inspired.

there's nothing "antisemitic" about this, not even anti-khazar.

sounds reasonable, after all ashkenazi jews are hardly semites, or hebrews.

it depends on how much truth will come out... truth about judaism would lead to its end.

the bizarre idea that some humans are more human than others is no longer acceptable.

[orderoutofchaos]

This is really what i wanted to say but like many turks i have a little nationalistic side which is engraved without my permission :( cant help it


D


Yes i am the same, its funny how Turks are like this, its good though.

[muddyleopard]

i live in turkey ... erdogan is just a populist and turkey is just a nato base ... they would never take any more than a token action against any other nation without permission from the real rulers ... it's just hot air ... if turkey took any action it would be brief and they would be told to stand down quickly enough.

[orderoutofchaos]

i live in turkey ... erdogan is just a populist and turkey is just a nato base ... they would never take any more than a token action against any other nation without permission from the real rulers ... it's just hot air ... if turkey took any action it would be brief and they would be told to stand down quickly enough.

Well yes, Nato is using Turkey, but Turkey is also using the West. They play a good game. Dont you think its funny that when Erdogan barks the israelis never bark back. That tells you something.......

[orderoutofchaos]

i live in turkey ... erdogan is just a populist and turkey is just a nato base ... they would never take any more than a token action against any other nation without permission from the real rulers ... it's just hot air ... if turkey took any action it would be brief and they would be told to stand down quickly enough.

You are quite recent to this forum. What was it that finally made you join?

[dragond]

i live in turkey ... erdogan is just a populist and turkey is just a nato base ... they would never take any more than a token action against any other nation without permission from the real rulers ... it's just hot air ... if turkey took any action it would be brief and they would be told to stand down quickly enough.

what u say had merit 20-30 years ago where they played the right and the left game on turkish people. Back in those times there were a lot of American worshippers in the government and few of the presidents and prime ministers were Freemasons.. Now religion has taken over.. When muslim people see other muslim people being murdered especially the kids by Christians/Jews(zionists) they develop a deep hatret for the perpetrators. The thing u need to understand is most people in turkey know whats really going on. They have identified the enemies and know how they been duped. right now there is alot of propoganda on turkish tv about the kurdish population.. What this tells me is they are trying to break turkey in to a civil conflict so they could be fooled in to more bullshit...play the turks against kurds and vice a versa..
no matter what the religious or political beliefs, if turkey was threatened then u will see everybody will rise up in arms.. and dont forget the men in turkey has to do military service for 15months.. turkey has the 3rd or the 4th largest army in the world! last time i checked, and an armoury full of weapons..

and the other thing is u have to realise the military and the governments dont always go hand in hand, and back in the early 80's there was a military coup when the govenment and the military had a disagreement.

So in short more provacations from the west, the more nationalistic Turks become..


D

[dragond]

LOL. israel could wipe any arab (turk, persian, whatever, same sh*t) country from the map within hours. nukes > arabs.

besides that. why should israel penetrate turkish airspace?

let me help you clever "truthseekers". take a look at this map and:

1. locate israel
2. locate iran
3. locate turkey
4. surprise!


Lol what a closed minded guy u are.. First of all Turks are NOT Arabs as well as Persians are not ARABS! i cant understand where u get the same shit from and at the same time cant help but to feel offended!!

Israel has nukes, ur correct on that, but dont confuse Turkey or Iran with the poor palestinian people.. Turkey has also a large stockpiles of nukes too.. Israel will only bully the poor and weak nations and when it comes to big boys they will cry anti semitism and ask their bodyguards to fight their battle (like the US and the UK).. so i suggest that u should not make assumptions based on ur ignorance, i promise u will look foolish..


D

[mtex]

Dont you think its funny that when Erdogan barks the israelis never bark back. That tells you something.......


IMO it's highly unlikely that Israel would ever attack Turkey.

Israel's long-term intention is to join the EU (I can do a separate post on this),
and Israel's candidacy depends on Turkey's candidacy.

If Turkey is allowed to join the EU, Israel will be next. Israel doesn't want to jeopardize that process by attacking Turkey. Israel desperately wants Turkey in de EU, so they can come in next.

And once that happens, once Israel has joined the EU, then the border between Israel and Palestine will truly become the border between "civilizations",

and then the EU will be forced to send its Federal EU Army to defend the EU border, which is really the Israeli border,

and then your and my children - who will join the EU Federal Army because there will be no other jobs - will be sent to die in Israel, defending their Israeli border, which in the future will be sold to the general public as the new EU border.

Thus, what are now Israel's wars will become "our" EU wars,
what are their Israeli crimes against humanity will become "our" EU crimes, and finally, their Israeli bills (financial but above all MORAL bills) will become ours to pay.
The Palestinian blood on their Israeli hands will become the blood on our EU hands.

Maria Technosux
anti-fascist blogger

[truth finder]

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=113335&sectionid=351020204

all serious though would any country be threatened by turkey????? i know it seems harsh but realy.......

[dragond]

all serious though would any country be threatened by turkey????? i know it seems harsh but realy.......

Ask Israel :D


D

[transcendental stallion]

all serious though would any country be threatened by turkey????? i know it seems harsh but realy.......
I doubt israel would try anything in Turkish airspace again. Certainly Israel, Greece and Syria have fear of Turkey.

[mtex]

The only thing Israel has to "fear" of Turkey is that Turkey might screw up its EU candidacy by starting some stupid war. It's in Israel's interest that Turkey not get involved in any wars, so that Turkey may join the EU as soon as possible, so that Israel itself can join the EU ASAP. Israel is the guy at the bank who's next in line and can't wait for the guy before him to get his business over with.

Maria Technosux
anti-fascist blogger

[truth finder]

I doubt israel would try anything in Turkish airspace again. Certainly Israel, Greece and Syria have fear of Turkey.

nargh israel arn't worried.......

[eternal_spirit]

The only thing Israel has to "fear" of Turkey is that Turkey might screw up its EU candidacy by starting some stupid war. It's in Israel's interest that Turkey not get involved in any wars, so that Turkey may join the EU as soon as possible, so that Israel itself can join the EU ASAP. Israel is the guy at the bank who's next in line and can't wait for the guy before him to get his business over with.

Maria Technosux
anti-fascist blogger
Abstract from the Barcelona - Euro Mediterranean Declaration of 1995:
The Euro Mediterranean Declaration was agreed upon by the EU, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, the Palestinian Authority, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey and Israel and comprises:
http://balder.org/avisartikler/Barcelona-Declaration-Euro-Mediterranean-English.php

[rodin]

IMO it's highly unlikely that Israel would ever attack Turkey.

Israel's long-term intention is to join the EU (I can do a separate post on this),
and Israel's candidacy depends on Turkey's candidacy.

If Turkey is allowed to join the EU, Israel will be next. Israel doesn't want to jeopardize that process by attacking Turkey. Israel desperately wants Turkey in de EU, so they can come in next.

And once that happens, once Israel has joined the EU, then the border between Israel and Palestine will truly become the border between "civilizations",

and then the EU will be forced to send its Federal EU Army to defend the EU border, which is really the Israeli border,

and then your and my children - who will join the EU Federal Army because there will be no other jobs - will be sent to die in Israel, defending their Israeli border, which in the future will be sold to the general public as the new EU border.

Thus, what are now Israel's wars will become "our" EU wars,
what are their Israeli crimes against humanity will become "our" EU crimes, and finally, their Israeli bills (financial but above all MORAL bills) will become ours to pay.
The Palestinian blood on their Israeli hands will become the blood on our EU hands.

Maria Technosux
anti-fascist blogger

Interesting analysis ;)

[mtex]

I swear, Israel wants to join the EU.

And, more importantly, the EU wants Israel to join.

That's what the Turkish candidacy is about. That's just a formality they have to get out of the way to pave the way for Israel to join.

Don't listen to what the old-timer Zionists say, all the Zionist propaganda about: "No way, we don't like Europe! Europeans killed us all! We created the homeland because we wanted to escape Toitland Europa." Toitland is jiddish for "Deathland", which is how the Jews described Europe after the Holocaust, as a wasteland they had to escape from.

The Zionists don't want to escape from Toitland Europa, they want to be part of it, especially now that Israel itself is a Toitland.

The Zionists have realized that they can't fight their wars on their own. It's more convenient - and *cheaper*, don't forget the financial incentive! - to get the EU to fight them for them. And the EU can't wait to include Israel and fight their wars, because in the future there will be no jobs for your children and their children other than joining the army.s

I can show you a document from AEGEE, the EU's student-infiltration organization (the one they use to brainwash students across campuses all over Europe) where they openly demand a new AEGEE HQ-office in Tel Aviv, as well as one in - oh, and I bet they just plucked a name off the air when they motioned this in the same context as the Tel Aviv office - New York City.

If you think that the Russian futurist map published earlier this year, where the USA is broken up and the Eastern West coast of the USA is coloured blue, meaning it's EU territory

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/september2009/010909top2.jpg,
source of map: http://www.infowars.com/russian-professor-collapse-of-america-could-begin-in-two-months/

if you think that map was an exaggeration, think again. The EU wants Israel, and the EU wants NYC, because NYC is an Israeli reservation in the USA.

Maria Technosux
anti-fascist blogger

[sofa king]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/september2009/010909top2.jpg,




interesting map... but I think a few thiings need to be changed. Canada too will disappear. Russia will take more than just half of Alaska. They will take the entire Canadian north. China will take southern Alberta. Thereby allowing Russia and China to claim the largest oil fields outside of Saudi Arabia.

It wont be Mexico coming up from the South. It will be Venezuela.

Hawaiian islands wont be Japan. It will be Indonesia and/or China.

[elirien]

Guys calm down :D The same prime minister Erdoğan tried to sell Turkish land to Israel some months ago (btw after that "one minute" incident at Davos) which made an uproar inside Turkey especially with the military since they claimed that the are was filled with mines and that the same military who planted the mines in the 50's (!!!!) would not be able to take them out and they needed Israel to clean that mess up (!!!!). Interestingly that land was also part of "the promised land".

Also the theories about the EU are interesting. Plausible in a way.

Also an attack on Turkey would be direct suicide for Israel (or any other small country for that matter) because of a grand stock of military personnel and equipment besides many paranormal forces.

So let's head back to reality after this offshoot of Imagination :) It won't happen. It's just theatrics. One should wonder what is happening behind the scenes.

[lizzy]

IMO it's highly unlikely that Israel would ever attack Turkey.

Israel's long-term intention is to join the EU (I can do a separate post on this),
and Israel's candidacy depends on Turkey's candidacy.

If Turkey is allowed to join the EU, Israel will be next. Israel doesn't want to jeopardize that process by attacking Turkey. Israel desperately wants Turkey in de EU, so they can come in next.

And once that happens, once Israel has joined the EU, then the border between Israel and Palestine will truly become the border between "civilizations",

and then the EU will be forced to send its Federal EU Army to defend the EU border, which is really the Israeli border,

and then your and my children - who will join the EU Federal Army because there will be no other jobs - will be sent to die in Israel, defending their Israeli border, which in the future will be sold to the general public as the new EU border.

Thus, what are now Israel's wars will become "our" EU wars,
what are their Israeli crimes against humanity will become "our" EU crimes, and finally, their Israeli bills (financial but above all MORAL bills) will become ours to pay.
The Palestinian blood on their Israeli hands will become the blood on our EU hands.

Maria Technosux
anti-fascist blogger

OMG........:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

already zionists own the UN , this makes perfect sense........the horror is SO mind blowing.

[transcendental stallion]

nargh israel arn't worried.......
As long as they don't violate against Iran and Turkey they have no worries. If israel tries anything then they have reason to fear.


It wont be Mexico coming up from the South. It will be Venezuela.

Hawaiian islands wont be Japan. It will be Indonesia and/or China.
Mexico isn't taking land from anyone. We'll just start mass-killing them in our states. The Californians may be out of luck. The beaners pretty much run California in everyway. The Arizonans are fed up and would likely purge their state of the mexican presence. I'm certain Louisiana, Arkansas and Louisiana isn't having to static out of the Mexicans. Plus, China wouldn't take over the West from the Mexicans without a fight. They have no political control NOR population majority to take California.

[rodin]

OMG........:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

already zionists own the UN , this makes perfect sense........the horror is SO mind blowing.

The Jewish Communist #spy# Alger Hiss fathered the UN

[branjo]

To me that map looks like a good settlement :)

I will just get my camera ready to see the heartbreak on American faces when "their" country gets divided up for not paying its bills. And I will be sure to get a few shots of the Native Americans grinning, saying "How does it feel, pale face"...lol.

And By the way Stallion, The common Mexican has 10 times the moral fiber than the common American has. When you try and get rid of the "beaners", will you start on the "niggers" next too?

[transcendental stallion]

And By the way Stallion, The common Mexican has 10 times the moral fiber than the common American has. When you try and get rid of the "beaners", will you start on the legal black citizens next?Beans are high in fiber. The point is we aren't gonna let them take over America like the map maker think. We'd execute them en masse if they ever started something in our territory.

[eternal_spirit]

To me that map looks like a good settlement :)

I will just get my camera ready to see the heartbreak on American faces when "their" country gets divided up for not paying its bills. And I will be sure to get a few shots of the Native Americans grinning, saying "How does it feel, pale face"...lol.

And By the way Stallion, The common Mexican has 10 times the moral fiber than the common American has. When you try and get rid of the "beaners", will you start on the "niggers" next too?
So you think Mexicans are some how not racist oh dear,

Latino thugs indiscriminately murder blacks regardless of gang membership, genocidal purge aligns with radical Aztlan theology

Aztlan and Mecha groups advocate killing all whites and blacks and driving them out of the southern states by means of brutal ethnic cleansing. Flags and placards carried at marches depict white people having their heads cut off.
Advocates total eradication of any race but hispanics.

Those that protest such groups are then attacked by the establishment media and labeled as racists.

Mecha's own slogan reads, "For the race everything. For those outside the race, nothing."

[branjo]

Beans are high in fiber. The point is we aren't gonna let them take over America like the map maker think. We'd execute them en masse if they ever started something in our territory.

You couldn't execute a piss up in a brewery. Proud "White" Americans, still think the rest of the world was made for their enjoyment and servitude. Let me give you a heads up, America isn't a White's only country, and it never was, so deal with it, or as the white people of America love to say "If you don't like it, then leave".

So you think Mexicans are some how not racist oh dear,

Latino thugs indiscriminately murder blacks regardless of gang membership, genocidal purge aligns with radical Aztlan theology

Aztlan and Mecha groups advocate killing all whites and blacks and driving them out of the southern states by means of brutal ethnic cleansing. Flags and placards carried at marches depict white people having their heads cut off.
Advocates total eradication of any race but hispanics.

Those that protest such groups are then attacked by the establishment media and labeled as racists.

Mecha's own slogan reads, "For the race everything. For those outside the race, nothing."

You see, this excuse for racism just falls on deaf ears with me, sorry. If some Mexican twat were to come on here and spout the same bullshit that stallion said, then I would have had the same contempt for that statement too.

Did he expect us all to grab our pitch forks from the barn and go hunting some "beaners" that have invaded his land?...please.

Take a look at any slogan from any racist group, its hardly going to take into account the feelings of the people they don't like now is it?

Next you will be saying that Palestinians are racist against Israelis because of their slogans. Or how the Iraqis are wrong for hating the US and UK.

My advice is stop whining about it, oh they this oh they that, no one cares that the racism and cultural disrespect that white people have shown every other culture on the American continent is now being directed against them, I just don't care, in fact I find it very Ironic, you poke a dog with a stick for so long and you're going to get bitten sooner or later.

Mexican people are considered the modern day slave in America. You think these people came to America with aspirations to be fast food cooks, gardeners and fruit pickers? Stallion thinks they are taking over California, really? well lets see how Californians would react doing their own manual labor for a change.

I am white, born and raised in N. Ireland, my wife is Hispanic, her family welcomed me with open arms, and would give me the shirt of their backs if I needed. They pay their taxes just like everyone else, and yet you will lump them in with Latino Gangs who are basically just "thugs" and I should agree that no more of my wife's family members should be allowed to move here from Mexico? I mean do you even expect me to even sympathize with that?

I don't give a shit if 10,000,000 Mexicans rush the border, in one day, I hold no animosity to any of them. I don't respect borders anywhere on this planet so I just don't care who thinks the land belongs to them, because the simple truth is none of us own shit. Even if your house is bought and paid for, if you don't pay the taxes on your land then it doesn't matter. Its all on loan, so there is no point getting attached to it.

So when ever I hear "My land", "My Country" all I hear is "Whaaaaa, Whaaaaaa, Whaaaaa".

Sorry.

[baxter]

Turkey will eat Israel. Population 75 million. All males have to do national service. That's a big army. Israel, size of wales. Population 7 million.

If Israel can't reach Iran now then some other country will have to go on for them...

Who will that be? Anwsers on a post card.

Israel gets others to do its dirty work.

[kaiser]

You couldn't execute a piss up in a brewery. Proud "White" Americans, still think the rest of the world was made for their enjoyment and servitude. Let me give you a heads up, America isn't a White's only country, and it never was, so deal with it, or as the white people of America love to say "If you don't like it, then leave".



You see, this excuse for racism just falls on deaf ears with me, sorry. If some Mexican twat were to come on here and spout the same bullshit that stallion said, then I would have had the same contempt for that statement too.

Did he expect us all to grab our pitch forks from the barn and go hunting some "beaners" that have invaded his land?...please.

Take a look at any slogan from any racist group, its hardly going to take into account the feelings of the people they don't like now is it?

Next you will be saying that Palestinians are racist against Israelis because of their slogans. Or how the Iraqis are wrong for hating the US and UK.

My advice is stop whining about it, oh they this oh they that, no one cares that the racism and cultural disrespect that white people have shown every other culture on the American continent is now being directed against them, I just don't care, in fact I find it very Ironic, you poke a dog with a stick for so long and you're going to get bitten sooner or later.

Mexican people are considered the modern day slave in America. You think these people came to America with aspirations to be fast food cooks, gardeners and fruit pickers? Stallion thinks they are taking over California, really? well lets see how Californians would react doing their own manual labor for a change.

I am white, born and raised in N. Ireland, my wife is Hispanic, her family welcomed me with open arms, and would give me the shirt of their backs if I needed. They pay their taxes just like everyone else, and yet you will lump them in with Latino Gangs who are basically just "thugs" and I should agree that no more of my wife's family members should be allowed to move here from Mexico? I mean do you even expect me to even sympathize with that?

I don't give a shit if 10,000,000 Mexicans rush the border, in one day, I hold no animosity to any of them. I don't respect borders anywhere on this planet so I just don't care who thinks the land belongs to them, because the simple truth is none of us own shit. Even if your house is bought and paid for, if you don't pay the taxes on your land then it doesn't matter. Its all on loan, so there is no point getting attached to it.

So when ever I hear "My land", "My Country" all I hear is "Whaaaaa, Whaaaaaa, Whaaaaa".

Sorry.

:) Well said......

[transcendental stallion]

Proud "White" Americans, still think the rest of the world was made for their enjoyment and servitude. Let me give you a heads up, America isn't a White's only country, and it never was, so deal with it, or as the white people of America love to say "If you don't like it, then leave". That isn't the point. The point is that beaners have their nation and we have ours. What they couldn't do in theirs, how could they possibly achieve in ours? They are not going to come HERE on a meal-ticket and then get unruly and try to take over. Mexicans are immigrants not natives, so they should be on their BEST behavour. It's not White vs. Beaner or Black vs. them. It's that fact of what will happen if those ungratefuls decide to get bold and brazen.

Mexican beings are considered the modern day slave in America. You think these people came to America with aspirations to be fast food cooks, gardeners and fruit pickers? Stallion thinks they are taking over California, really? well lets see how Californians would react doing their own manual labor for a change.Please. There was a California before they came burdening the welfare, government aid system. The death of California is from the Mexican presence. Anyone can cut grass we don't need those folks to cut grass and wash dishes. Why aren't they doing it in Mexico?
Do I think they dreamed of doing what they do? I doubt if such a race could envision anything. Look at Mexico and see their creative and productive strength. Look at Japan and Indians. Do you really think those folks south of the border will be usefull in America? Crime stats, prison stats and their reproduction rate is off the meter. If any Civil Conflict starts it will be an end of the Mexican presence and perhaps even the Mexican nation.

[logos880]

You have been brainwashed by your government. While everyone is talking about the Muslims the ptb are pushing forward there new world order plans. You have fallen for it hook line and sinker. The oldest trick in the book: DIVIDE AND RULE

This 'trick' that tptb are no doubt using would be completely ineffective if the Muslims did not lend themselves to tptb as useful tools. Stop with jihad and terrorism and Islam isn't so 'scary' anymore. You are only a tool of the devil if you want to be.

[dragond]

You couldn't execute a piss up in a brewery. Proud "White" Americans, still think the rest of the world was made for their enjoyment and servitude. Let me give you a heads up, America isn't a White's only country, and it never was, so deal with it, or as the white people of America love to say "If you don't like it, then leave".



You see, this excuse for racism just falls on deaf ears with me, sorry. If some Mexican twat were to come on here and spout the same bullshit that stallion said, then I would have had the same contempt for that statement too.

Did he expect us all to grab our pitch forks from the barn and go hunting some "beaners" that have invaded his land?...please.

Take a look at any slogan from any racist group, its hardly going to take into account the feelings of the people they don't like now is it?

Next you will be saying that Palestinians are racist against Israelis because of their slogans. Or how the Iraqis are wrong for hating the US and UK.

My advice is stop whining about it, oh they this oh they that, no one cares that the racism and cultural disrespect that white people have shown every other culture on the American continent is now being directed against them, I just don't care, in fact I find it very Ironic, you poke a dog with a stick for so long and you're going to get bitten sooner or later.

Mexican people are considered the modern day slave in America. You think these people came to America with aspirations to be fast food cooks, gardeners and fruit pickers? Stallion thinks they are taking over California, really? well lets see how Californians would react doing their own manual labor for a change.

I am white, born and raised in N. Ireland, my wife is Hispanic, her family welcomed me with open arms, and would give me the shirt of their backs if I needed. They pay their taxes just like everyone else, and yet you will lump them in with Latino Gangs who are basically just "thugs" and I should agree that no more of my wife's family members should be allowed to move here from Mexico? I mean do you even expect me to even sympathize with that?

I don't give a shit if 10,000,000 Mexicans rush the border, in one day, I hold no animosity to any of them. I don't respect borders anywhere on this planet so I just don't care who thinks the land belongs to them, because the simple truth is none of us own shit. Even if your house is bought and paid for, if you don't pay the taxes on your land then it doesn't matter. Its all on loan, so there is no point getting attached to it.

So when ever I hear "My land", "My Country" all I hear is "Whaaaaa, Whaaaaaa, Whaaaaa".

Sorry.

Exellent Post mate.. ES ur a very racist dude, why is that? Everytime i read a thread u pop up with pure hatred. Surely There must be a reason for this, im all ears if u wish to share.. :)


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[dreamweaver]

why don't they do it then?



are they free to fly over syria, jordan and saudi arabia, if they want to attack iran?

I think the most plausible route would be over Jordan and Iraq.

The sabre-rattling from Turkey is just political posturing for domestic consumption. It is unlikely to intimidate Israel. Israel's air force is far superior and the size of Turkey's land forces isn't relevant as they lack the capacity to invade Israel by land or sea.

The only real constraints on Israel attacking Iran are what Syria, Russia, China and Iran (via Hezbollah) will do in retaliation.

[runciter]

I think the most plausible route would be over Jordan and Iraq.

The sabre-rattling from Turkey is just political posturing for domestic consumption. It is unlikely to intimidate Israel. Israel's air force is far superior and the size of Turkey's land forces isn't relevant as they lack the capacity to invade Israel by land or sea.

The only real constraints on Israel attacking Iran are what Syria, Russia, China and Iran (via Hezbollah) will do in retaliation.

so jordan would be seen, by other muslim countries, as complicit in an israeli war of aggression against iran.

maybe the israelis were really considering to fly over turkey, and now they've discarded that option, who knows.

[dreamweaver]

so jordan would be seen, by other muslim countries, as complicit in an israeli war of aggression against iran.

maybe the israelis were really considering to fly over turkey, and now they've discarded that option, who knows.

Just trying to work out the path of least resistance.

Turkey would have been the safest option if they'd agreed to it but it sounds like that's been ruled out.

Jordan is stronger militarily than Syria, but Syria is more openly hostile. King Abdullah is more likely IMO to come to some arrangement privately with Israel - but can't be seen publicly to accommodate them.

Maybe it will be Syria after all. The Israelis did have that incursion in there a year or so ago, the one which was supposedly to destroy a nuclear plant. But the problem with doing the gung-ho thing is that it alerts the Iranians before they even get there.

So unless they strike some deal with the Saudis or Jordan, it's hard to see how they're going to pull off a surprise attack.

[transcendental stallion]

so jordan would be seen, by other muslim countries, as complicit in an israeli war of aggression against iran.

maybe the israelis were really considering to fly over turkey, and now they've discarded that option, who knows.
Israel like to frame other nations. They wanted to strike via Turkey to make it appear like Turkey did it. But Turkey don't want to be caught up in the confusion. Invading Iranian by Turkey airspace gives Iran the impression TURKEY is doing the violations, which is what israel wants. But Turkey warning israel is enough for their learning. Israel doesn't want to spar with Turkey. Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia are the much stronger nations of the region. Consider that israel fears Iran. Imagine what pissing Turkey and Iran off would do. The United States was scared when Turkey forces pushed into Northern Iraq when Bush was in power. I believe this is the last we will hear of this.

Israel is cozying up to Syria now. Trying to get Syria off of the Axis of Evil list!Lol They are trying every trick to isolate Iran, but pissing other nations off in the process.
MI chief: Syria is not natural member of 'radical axis'

By Anshel Pfeffer

Syria is a potential peace partner for Israel because it is a secular country that is not completely entrenched in the "radical axis" of Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas, despite increased cooperation among all four entities, Military Intelligence chief Maj. Gen. Amos Yadlin said Tuesday.

"Syria is a secular country and, unlike Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas, it does not rule out the chance of reaching a peace agreement with Israel," he said in an address to the annual conference of the Institute for National Security Studies.

Syrian President Bashar Assad, he said, "is not naturally entrenched in the radical axis."

Therefore, "a peace agreement, if achieved, has the potential [to effect] a positive change in Israel's strategic environment."

"Removing Syria from the circle of hostility, severing the link that, both geographically and in other ways, connects the radical axis, and ending Syrian support for terror would reduce the potential threat against the State of Israel," Yadlin said.

His speech surveyed the strategic challenges facing Israel in the coming decade, with particular emphasis on Syria's place in the radical axis comprising Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1135423.html

[dreamweaver]

Interesting info, stallion, so it might well be through Syria.

Not sure how the Syrian leadership will cope with a Hezbollah backlash if they're seen to be helping Israel though...

[eternal_spirit]

....."Syria is a secular country and, unlike Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas, it does not rule out the chance of reaching a peace agreement with Israel,"Syria - The constitution requires the president to be a Muslim and specifies that Islamic jurisprudence is a principal source of legislation. Sharing your Christian faith is discouraged as “posing a threat to the relations among religious groups” and carries a penalty of up to life in prison. A Christian is not allowed to proselytize – ever. Churches who want to hold an extra service must get a government permit. Sermons are routinely monitored, as is church fundraising.Maybe things have changed recently. Although secular can have a different meaning in majority Muslim countries. (those who know about Islam will know what I mean) Such as none Muslims in alot of these countrys are Dhimmies.

[eternal_spirit]

Exellent Post mate.. ES ur a very racist dude, why is that? Everytime i read a thread u pop up with pure hatred. Surely There must be a reason for this, im all ears if u wish to share.. :)


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Wrong. I am not racist. Show me why you think I am?

I don't want my country to be flooded with mass immigration (mostly Muslims) If that's racist to want to preserve your own people and culture (then people are full of shit and wrong if they think it's racist)

I hate Sharia law and know what Islam is capable of.

The guy you congrantulated on his post (his post is racist you numpty)
I proved with my post that some Mexicans are racist towards blacks and whites (and anyone else who isn't Hispanic)

Or maybe you think they where play acting? It's all on camera and documented (unlike the dumb shit that people try pass off as truth on this site)

So I ask again show me where you think I am being racist?

[branjo]

Apologies to the OP for derailing the thread, my last off topic post in the thread, promise.

Wrong. I am not racist. Show me why you think I am?

I don't want my country to be flooded with mass immigration (mostly Muslims) If that's racist to want to preserve your own people and culture (then people are full of shit and wrong if they think it's racist)

I hate Sharia law and know what Islam is capable of.

The guy you congrantulated on his post (his post is racist you numpty)
I proved with my post that some Mexicans are racist towards blacks and whites (and anyone else who isn't Hispanic)

Or maybe you think they where play acting? It's all on camera and documented (unlike the dumb shit that people try pass off as truth on this site)

So I ask again show me where you think I am being racist?

Try your entire post for proof that you are indeed a practicing racist.

So you know what Islam is capable of then, hmmm ok...

Would they for instance invade a country and kill a million people based on a lie?
Would they economically starve and entire country for not doing what it was told and in effect kill millions more?
Would they stage attacks on their own people to make it look like another "crazy" race or religion did it?
Would they support apartheid?

If the answer is yes to any of those, then exactly where does "your race" differ from theirs?

Your attempt at "Proof" is to say there are "gangs" of Mexicans who are violent racists, and that's it is it? Every race has its gangs, does it make sense to paint that entire race of people with the same brush? Well that's a silly question really because apparently to you it actually does.
Does it make you feel good to know that other races would judge white people based on the actions of gangs of skin heads? Are you ok with that stereotype? Cause I am sure as shit not.

Preserving your "own people" and culture, WTF other way is there of describing that. And exactly who are these "your people" you talk about? White Europeans? Well I am one of those too, but you don't speak for me or anyone I know, not in the slightest.

When was the last time you had your DNA tested?
Was it 100% American? as if lol.
Was it 100% anything for that matter?
You're quite few years too late to preserve anything me old china.

So exactly how did you and your white family end up in America, did you suddenly fall from an apple tree fully dressed in red white and blue whistling yankee doodle dandy?

Or did your great, great, great whatever, get on a boat and come in search of a better life? And even if your family dates back hundreds of years then the land still wasn't exactly empty when they got here now was it? Just some half naked "savages" with no signed piece of paper stating ownership, so no harm done really, right?

Bottom line, "ITS NOT YOUR COUNTRY", if you are arguing over how many generations of your family have lived here, then basically you are arguing over "time spent" on the land, does that make any sense to you at all?
How long do you think a family has to spend in one particular spot to become a member of that country, 1 year, 10 years, 50 years, 100 years, 1,000 years. Please tell me how long before ownership kicks in and you get allotted some land and the "eternal rights" to it?

Hypocrisy is alive and well an living in the US it seems.

Show you how your racist? Oh that's a hard one dude let me think, Ok, here is how, go into the bathroom and look at the area directly above the sink, that person staring back at you, is a racist.


You want to finger point and try and deflect things back on me, well I'll nip that in the bud right now, I'll admit it, I am a racist, through my upbringing and that I come from an almost (at the time before I left) fully "white" country, but am I proud of my "learned" racism? Absolutely fucking not, I hate that from a child we have all been led by the nose to tell us this or that, conditioned to distrust a person just out of some sense of fear or dislike of their culture. Now I don't give a rats ass if the entire human race ends up being 10 shades of purple, as long as there is no one telling another person they are better or worse than someone else just because of the shade of their skin.

In some regards everyone is racist, realizing that and taking responsibility for it is the first step of understanding it. If you think that you are somehow exempt from the social upbringing that has affected the entire planet then here is what you can do. Make another thread entitled "Branjo is a big fat racist and I am not" then hold your breath, and we will all flock to it. Or PM me with another "butter wouldn't melt in my mouth" post.

[eternal_spirit]

Apologies to the OP for derailing the thread, my last off topic post in the thread, promise.



Try your entire post for proof that you are indeed a practicing racist.

So you know what Islam is capable of then, hmmm ok...

Would they for instance invade a country and kill a million people based on a lie?
Would they economically starve and entire country for not doing what it was told and in effect kill millions more?
Would they stage attacks on their own people to make it look like another "crazy" race or religion did it?
Would they support apartheid?

If the answer is yes to any of those, then exactly where does "your race" differ from theirs?

Your attempt at "Proof" is to say there are "gangs" of Mexicans who are violent racists, and that's it is it? Every race has its gangs, does it make sense to paint that entire race of people with the same brush? Well that's a silly question really because apparently to you it actually does.
Does it make you feel good to know that other races would judge white people based on the actions of gangs of skin heads? Are you ok with that stereotype? Cause I am sure as shit not.

Preserving your "own people" and culture, WTF other way is there of describing that. And exactly who are these "your people" you talk about? White Europeans? Well I am one of those too, but you don't speak for me or anyone I know, not in the slightest.

When was the last time you had your DNA tested?
Was it 100% American? as if lol.
Was it 100% anything for that matter?
You're quite few years too late to preserve anything me old china.

So exactly how did you and your white family end up in America, did you suddenly fall from an apple tree fully dressed in red white and blue whistling yankee doodle dandy?

Or did your great, great, great whatever, get on a boat and come in search of a better life? And even if your family dates back hundreds of years then the land still wasn't exactly empty when they got here now was it? Just some half naked "savages" with no signed piece of paper stating ownership, so no harm done really, right?

Bottom line, "ITS NOT YOUR COUNTRY", if you are arguing over how many generations of your family have lived here, then basically you are arguing over "time spent" on the land, does that make any sense to you at all?
How long do you think a family has to spend in one particular spot to become a member of that country, 1 year, 10 years, 50 years, 100 years, 1,000 years. Please tell me how long before ownership kicks in and you get allotted some land and the "eternal rights" to it?

Hypocrisy is alive and well an living in the US it seems.

Show you how your racist? Oh that's a hard one dude let me think, Ok, here is how, go into the bathroom and look at the area directly above the sink, that person staring back at you, is a racist.


You want to finger point and try and deflect things back on me, well I'll nip that in the bud right now, I'll admit it, I am a racist, through my upbringing and that I come from an almost (at the time before I left) fully "white" country, but am I proud of my "learned" racism? Absolutely fucking not, I hate that from a child we have all been led by the nose to tell us this or that, conditioned to distrust a person just out of some sense of fear or dislike of their culture. Now I don't give a rats ass if the entire human race ends up being 10 shades of purple, as long as there is no one telling another person they are better or worse than someone else just because of the shade of their skin.

In some regards everyone is racist, realizing that and taking responsibility for it is the first step of understanding it. If you think that you are somehow exempt from the social upbringing that has affected the entire planet then here is what you can do. Make another thread entitled "Branjo is a big fat racist and I am not" then hold your breath, and we will all flock to it. Or PM me with another "butter wouldn't melt in my mouth" post.
Dude you're the one who started with your anti white hate rant. So you are being racist (like those Mexicans) I replied with that when you said Mexicans are better than any white people. I proved that some Mexics/hispanics are racist. (so don't know how the fuck you and that other twit claimed I was being racist with my post)

Erm Islam has been at it for 1400 years (killing, invading, taking over other lands, religions and cultures ALL OVER THE PLANET) Would you like some links to get to know the history of Islam and it's intentions to none Muslims?

They got booted out of Europe more than once because? they invaded and took over! Thank GOD they got booted out, we'd be bowing down to Allah 5 times a day now if they hadn't been fought off. Islam has been trying to take our lands for centuries (they threw the first punch)

PS I aint American. I am English.

Surley all the anti white stuff taught by some the blame the white man for everything (including stuff he never done) and ignoring Islamisation of the planet Is just that.

According to some - around 100 years ago whites where 30% of the world's population Today we are around 8%.
Europe is being slowly Islamised same as Africa. The Muslim birth rates in some European countries is higher than the indigenous white population. Mohammed is one of the top names for baby boys and has been for a number of years now.

It's the white people who are being ethnically cleansed and genocided off the planet. With the help and compliance of their own corrupt
Governments, which is coerced by outside forces and foreign funding and politicians (Muslims/Jews)

So some us whites (who know the truth, not enough, most are in denial and are brainwashed to be self haters like Branjo) we are getting mighty pissed off.


ALL other races have their own countries, only the white countries are being turned into Multi cultural ones at the expensive of the indigenous people. Would Saudi Arabi, China, India etc etc etc take in Millions of immigrants enough to drastically change the racial make up of those countrys (NO NONE OF THEM DO)
We are talking numbers - the UK population isn't large to start with (mass immigration is no good)
Some immigration is okay.

3 million immigrants into the UK will change the racial make up, now compare 3 million immigrants arriving in a huge country like India, China, Africa etc (that would not drastically alter the racial mix or numbers of indigenous people as it does in Europe/UK/ where we have small populations.

It's that simple - hence our beef. And I've seen comments around this forum saying it's a good thing that the white race is declining and hope we become extinct.
That's my beef.

No hard feelings I hope, none here, just trying to explain what I know to be true.

PS back on topic now? :D

[eternal_spirit]

So if Turkey and Israel (when they aren't pretending to be enemies) do take the next step of becoming fully integrated in to the EU - then expect the Muslim population in Europe to get even larger and watch the indigenous people of Europe/UK become less in numbers.

EU citizens can travel to any where in the EU to work and live:confused: is that yet to come?

[branjo]

So we are outnumbered, so what? Get over it and quit fucking WHINING!, dude you sound like a little girl.

Oh ok your getting mighty pissed off at the inability of white people to breed, then go tell it to a bartender, they love to hear pointless problems. Put your seed about a bit, do your part or just let it go, what exactly do you think you can do about it anyway other than complain about it?

To you, skin color means everything, to me it means very little, yet I am the brainwashed self hater. For example how many Christians are in each country of the planet that are also indigenous of that country, yet they do not touch their heads to the floor five times a day. Do you somehow think that colour dictates what religion you will follow?...lol

Yeah sure, no hard feelings either chum. :)

Peace

[transcendental stallion]

Wrong. I am not racist. Show me why you think I am?

I don't want my country to be flooded with mass immigration (mostly Muslims) If that's racist to want to preserve your own people and culture (then people are full of shit and wrong if they think it's racist)

I hate Sharia law and know what Islam is capable of. Are you sincere
about what you are saying though? You don't appear to be as bad as many in this thread but islam can not threaten whites. They are the ONLY people fighting against Anglo-Judaic Imperialism. Their fight benefits us all. Plus, Islam is a religion not a ethnic class. It can't possibly threaten whites and Europeans. They establish discipline and chastity very STRONGLY amongst followers of their faiths. There is no way that Islam parallel or even RIVAL the Jewish threat. The muslim Africans MAY be a threat based on the HIV rate amongst them.

I do not fault you. I know that Jews use "white nationalist" sites to rally eurpeans against muslims by making Middle Easterns appear as a threat. That takes eyes off of Jews who throw you in jail for denying the Holocaust. Who are milking Germany of reparations and abuse the U.K. and U.S.A. as warchariots. In the U.S. Arabs, Indians are the much better and successful immigrants. They believe in marriage and family structure which we all respect. Here, the beaners are by far the most incredible threat the United States has experienced.

Beaners don't believe in marriage. It just happens when they get married. Bastard have the highest reproduction rate in the United States. Did you know that the reproduction rate of Beaners is 3Xs the rate of whites? And even higher than African-Americans. Did you know that they also have the highest school dropout rate? Did you know around 50% of adult Beaners lack a high school diploma? I'm talking in the USA and the immigrants lack them even in Mexico. These are proven by statistics and I may post them if you find it hard to believe. Did you know that incest is very common amongst the Mexican and that a Mexican father can have sex with his beaner daughter if she's over 12? That's why most practice incest in that nation.

Our immigration stock is barely human atleast ya'll are getting people that setup hotels, quickie marts and graduate as doctors. Here in the United States, the Asian immigrants are highly successful while the Mexicans are the sh!tend opposite.
So I ask again show me where you think I am being racist?Maybe he is offended because he's married to one of those beings.