If everyone was a mason..

[aussiegirl]

Then nothing would be secret right? Wouldn't it be hard for a secret to be kept? I don't really buy this whole masons are powerful etc...I have a more realistic theory.
lmao

[lase]

Bless you.

They keep secrets from each other. Most masons think there are 33 degrees, and that once they reach 33 thats the pinacle and all the secrets are theirs to know. There are in fact many more degrees after 33. It's rumoured 90.

It's a secret organisation built on secrecy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization_%28intelligence%29.

In a way you're right. Goodness is far more powerful than masonry. Allways be good.

Here's a thread for you :

ILLUMINATI WARS X - YouTube

[grachtengordel]

Then nothing would be secret right? Wouldn't it be hard for a secret to be kept? I don't really buy this whole masons are powerful etc...I have a more realistic theory.
lmao

what is your theory?

(lmao, omg, lol, snrf, lmfgao, plimpsole, etc )

[illuminumnuts]

what is your theory?

(lmao, omg, lol, snrf, lmfgao, plimpsole, etc )

Let's just settle for a masons are glorified sheeple hypothesis... Baah. :)

[decim]

Rite of Memphis-Misraïm

* 1º Apprentice
* 2º Companion
* 3º Master
* 4º Secret Master
* 5º Perfect Master
* 6º Intimate Secretary
* 7º Provost and Judge
* 8º Intendant of the Buildings
* 9º Master Elect of Nine
* 10º Illustrious Elect of Fifteen
* 11º Sublime Prince Elect
* 12º Grand Master Architect
* 13º Royal Arch
* 14º Grand Elect Perfect and Sublime Master
* 15º Knight of the East or the Sword
* 16º Prince of Jerusalem
* 17º Knight of the East and the West
* 18º Knight of the Rose Cross
* 19º Grand Pontiff
* 20º Knight of the Temple
* 21º Patriarch Noachite
* 22º Knight of the Royal Axe
* 23º Chief of the Tabernacle
* 24º Prince of the Tabernacle
* 25º Knight of the Brazen Serpent
* 26º Prince of Mercy
* 27º Commander of the Temple
* 28º Knight of the Sun, or Prince Adept
* 29º Knight of St. Andrew
* 30º Grand Elected Knight of Kadosh
* 31º Grand Inspector Inquisitor Commander
* 32º Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret
* 33º Sovereign Grand Inspector General
* 34º Knight of Scandinavia
* 35º Knight of the Temple
* 36º Sublime Negociant
* 37º Knight of Shota (Sage of Truth)
* 38º Sublime Elect of Truth (The Red Eagle)
* 39º Grand Elect of the Aeons
* 40º Sage Savaiste (Perfect Sage)
* 41º Knight of the Arch of Seven Colours
* 42º Prince of Light
* 43º Sublime Hermetic Sage (Hermetic Philosopher)
* 44º Prince of the Zodiac
* 45º Sublime Sage of the Mysteries
* 46º Sublime Pastor of the Huts
* 47º Knight of the Seven Stars
* 48º Sublime Guardian of the Sacred Mount
* 49º Sublime Sage of the Pyramids
* 50º Sublime Philosopher of Samothrace
* 51º Sublime Titan of the Caucasus
* 52º Sage of the Labyrinth
* 53º Knight or Sage of the Phoenix
* 54º Sublime Scalde
* 55º Sublime Orphic Doctor
* 56º Pontiff, of Sage of Cadmia
* 57º Sublime Magus
* 58º Sage, or Prince Brahmine
* 59º Sublime Sage, or Grand Pontiff of Ogygia
* 60º Sublime Guardian of the Three Fires
* 61º Sublime Unknown Philosopher
* 62º Sublime Sage of Eulisis
* 63º Sublime Kawi
* 64º Sage of Mythras
* 65º Guardian of Sanctuary - Grand Installator
* 66º Grand Architect of the Mysterious City - Grand Consecrator
* 67º Guardian of the Incommunicable Name - Grand Eulogist
* 68º Patriarch of Truth
* 69º Knight or Sage of the Golden Branch of Eleusis
* 70º Prince of Light, or Patriarch of the Planispheres
* 71º Patriarch of the Sacred Vedas
* 72º Sublime Master of Wisdom
* 73º Patriarch, or Doctor of the Sacred Fire
* 74º Sublime Master of the Stoka
* 75º Knight Commandel of the Lybic Chain
* 76º Interpreter of Hieroglyphics, of Patriarch of Isis
* 77º Sublime Knight or Sage Theosopher
* 78º Grand Pontiff of the Thebiad
* 79º Knight, or Sage of the Redoubtable Sada
* 80º Sublime Elect of the Sanctuary of Mazias
* 81º Intendent Regulator, or Patriarch of Memphis
* 82º Grand Elect of the Temple of Midgard
* 83º Sublime Elect of the Valley of Oddy
* 84º Patriarch or Doctor of the Izeds
* 85º Sublime Sage, or Knight of Kneph
* 86º Sublime Philosopher of the Valley of Kab
* 87º Sublime Prince of Masonry
* 88º Grand Elect of the Sacred Curtain
* 89º Patriarch of the Mystic City
* 90º Sublime Master of the Great Work
* 91º Grand Defender
* 92º Grand Catechist
* 93º Regulator General
* 94º Prince of Memphis, or Grand Administrator
* 95ºGrand Conservator
* 96º Grand and Puissant Sovereign of the Order
* 97º Deputy International Grand Master
* 98º International Grand Master
* 99º Grand Hierophant

[sofa king]

Rite of Memphis-Misraïm





you do realize that Memphis Misraim is a masonic joke, right? Most members are rejects, cast-offs and expulsions from mainstream masonry.

[illuminumnuts]

Rite of Memphis-Misraïm

* 1º Apprentice
* 2º Companion
* 3º Master
* 4º Secret Master
* 5º Perfect Master
* 6º Intimate Secretary
* 7º Provost and Judge
* 8º Intendant of the Buildings
* 9º Master Elect of Nine
* 10º Illustrious Elect of Fifteen
* 11º Sublime Prince Elect
* 12º Grand Master Architect
* 13º Royal Arch
* 14º Grand Elect Perfect and Sublime Master
* 15º Knight of the East or the Sword
* 16º Prince of Jerusalem
* 17º Knight of the East and the West
* 18º Knight of the Rose Cross
* 19º Grand Pontiff
* 20º Knight of the Temple
* 21º Patriarch Noachite
* 22º Knight of the Royal Axe
* 23º Chief of the Tabernacle
* 24º Prince of the Tabernacle
* 25º Knight of the Brazen Serpent
* 26º Prince of Mercy
* 27º Commander of the Temple
* 28º Knight of the Sun, or Prince Adept
* 29º Knight of St. Andrew
* 30º Grand Elected Knight of Kadosh
* 31º Grand Inspector Inquisitor Commander
* 32º Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret
* 33º Sovereign Grand Inspector General
* 34º Knight of Scandinavia
* 35º Knight of the Temple
* 36º Sublime Negociant
* 37º Knight of Shota (Sage of Truth)
* 38º Sublime Elect of Truth (The Red Eagle)
* 39º Grand Elect of the Aeons
* 40º Sage Savaiste (Perfect Sage)
* 41º Knight of the Arch of Seven Colours
* 42º Prince of Light
* 43º Sublime Hermetic Sage (Hermetic Philosopher)
* 44º Prince of the Zodiac
* 45º Sublime Sage of the Mysteries
* 46º Sublime Pastor of the Huts
* 47º Knight of the Seven Stars
* 48º Sublime Guardian of the Sacred Mount
* 49º Sublime Sage of the Pyramids
* 50º Sublime Philosopher of Samothrace
* 51º Sublime Titan of the Caucasus
* 52º Sage of the Labyrinth
* 53º Knight or Sage of the Phoenix
* 54º Sublime Scalde
* 55º Sublime Orphic Doctor
* 56º Pontiff, of Sage of Cadmia
* 57º Sublime Magus
* 58º Sage, or Prince Brahmine
* 59º Sublime Sage, or Grand Pontiff of Ogygia
* 60º Sublime Guardian of the Three Fires
* 61º Sublime Unknown Philosopher
* 62º Sublime Sage of Eulisis
* 63º Sublime Kawi
* 64º Sage of Mythras
* 65º Guardian of Sanctuary - Grand Installator
* 66º Grand Architect of the Mysterious City - Grand Consecrator
* 67º Guardian of the Incommunicable Name - Grand Eulogist
* 68º Patriarch of Truth
* 69º Knight or Sage of the Golden Branch of Eleusis
* 70º Prince of Light, or Patriarch of the Planispheres
* 71º Patriarch of the Sacred Vedas
* 72º Sublime Master of Wisdom
* 73º Patriarch, or Doctor of the Sacred Fire
* 74º Sublime Master of the Stoka
* 75º Knight Commandel of the Lybic Chain
* 76º Interpreter of Hieroglyphics, of Patriarch of Isis
* 77º Sublime Knight or Sage Theosopher
* 78º Grand Pontiff of the Thebiad
* 79º Knight, or Sage of the Redoubtable Sada
* 80º Sublime Elect of the Sanctuary of Mazias
* 81º Intendent Regulator, or Patriarch of Memphis
* 82º Grand Elect of the Temple of Midgard
* 83º Sublime Elect of the Valley of Oddy
* 84º Patriarch or Doctor of the Izeds
* 85º Sublime Sage, or Knight of Kneph
* 86º Sublime Philosopher of the Valley of Kab
* 87º Sublime Prince of Masonry
* 88º Grand Elect of the Sacred Curtain
* 89º Patriarch of the Mystic City
* 90º Sublime Master of the Great Work
* 91º Grand Defender
* 92º Grand Catechist
* 93º Regulator General
* 94º Prince of Memphis, or Grand Administrator
* 95ºGrand Conservator
* 96º Grand and Puissant Sovereign of the Order
* 97º Deputy International Grand Master
* 98º International Grand Master
* 99º Grand Hierophant

LOL. What a proper load of shite. What lost sheep would want to buy into that? :confused:

[sofa king]

LOL. What a proper load of shite. What lost sheep would want to buy into that? :confused:



losers that were rejected by real masonic lodges

[1964]

Then nothing would be secret right? Wouldn't it be hard for a secret to be kept? I don't really buy this whole masons are powerful etc...I have a more realistic theory.
lmao

I always found it fascinating that even people who are imprisoned, convicted of commiting some crime, will still form their own society. They decide amongst themselves who the stronger and who the weaker ones are; who's in charge and who's the follower. They even create their own legal system, so to speak, where they decide amongst themselves who should be punished for having committed what they consider the worst crimes.

It doesn't matter where we're placed in this world, we can't escape what we are. Even when we're imprisoned, we still get busy doing the only thing we know how to do - which is to be mankind, destructive in all his/her sins.

So if everyone was a Mason, the whole thing would just start all over again from scratch. And we'd end up right back where we are now.

Until, and unless, Jesus Christ sets a person free, we all remain prisoners of what we are. No one but Christ can free us from ourselves. The bizarre thing is, although a lot of people complain about it, most people would still rather live in this kind of world than ever repent of their own sins.

[joe911]

There are in fact many more degrees after 33. It's rumoured 90.

Not mmuch of a "secret society" then are they hehe :p

[lightgiver]

Then nothing would be secret right? Wouldn't it be hard for a secret to be kept? I don't really buy this whole masons are powerful etc...I have a more realistic theory.
lmao

I am sure you will know a lot more by the time you get to 40;):)

Bless you.

They keep secrets from each other. Most masons think there are 33 degrees, There are in fact many more degrees after 33. It's rumoured 90.



I have heard in some masonic circles it goes the whole 360 degrees,I hear they are called the Olympians.:)

[illuminumnuts]

losers that were rejected by real masonic lodges

All lost sheep as far as i'm concerned. Baah. :)



I always found it fascinating that even people who are imprisoned, convicted of commiting some crime, will still form their own society. They decide amongst themselves who the stronger and who the weaker ones are; who's in charge and who's the follower. They even create their own legal system, so to speak, where they decide amongst themselves who should be punished for having committed what they consider the worst crimes.

They have a lack of individual identity and self-realisation. Like the great majority of society. Our education system has a lot to answer for. It's a fecking joke.



Until, and unless, Jesus Christ sets a person free, we all remain prisoners of what we are. No one but Christ can free us from ourselves. The bizarre thing is, although a lot of people complain about it, most people would still rather live in this kind of world than ever repent of their own sins.

You are just buying into a fairytale. It doesn't help humanity.

[sofa king]

I am sure you will know a lot more by the time you get to 40;):)



I have heard in some masonic circles it goes the whole 360 degrees,I hear they are called the Olympians.:)


and where exactly did you "hear" this?

[quetzalcoatl]

The world would be a better place??? :eek:

Then nothing would be secret right? Wouldn't it be hard for a secret to be kept? I don't really buy this whole masons are powerful etc...I have a more realistic theory.
lmao

Nah! you're right... nothing would change! - it's not one organization, one religion or fraternity / society, there's all sorts everywhere! It's always been the few greedy bad apples that wreck it for the rest...

[sofa king]

The world would be a better place??? :eek:



Nah! you're right... nothing would change! - it's not one organization, one religion or fraternity / society, there's all sorts everywhere! It's always been the few greedy bad apples that wreck it for everyone... ;)



well actually, we would be gossiping about the secret societies like The Moose, The Lions, The Rotary Club, The Oddfellows

[lightgiver]

and where exactly did you "hear" this?

On the Grapevine ;)

Interesting bit of info for you here,

The signs of the zodiac where developed by Ancient Masons. Their foremost symbol is the compass and square. It was used in figuring out measurements of the heavens and movement of the planets. They drew a circle with the compass and divided the circle into twelve parts that relates to time, 12 hours light and 12 hours dark to give them a handle on movement. 12 hours above and 12 hours below made a circle of 360 degrees. 360 degrees are equivalent to one day of time. It was extremely clever because it also relates to location anywhere on the planet. Applying longitude and latitude you get location which is based on Greenwich Village time which is the zero point from where that system is measured.

http://www.cephas-library.com/masonry/masonry_how_does_god_relate_to_freemasonry.html

[sofa king]

On the Grapevine ;)



ah, so more rumour spreading

[lightgiver]

ah, so more rumour spreading

I have just given you a Link above there are plenty more,work it out,do the masons like geometry,well maybe not all of them.;)

12 hours above and 12 hours below made a circle of 360 degrees.

You stupid boy - YouTube

[illuminumnuts]

They drew a circle with the compass and divided the circle into twelve parts that relates to time.

You mean 24 parts I guess



12 hours above and 12 hours below made a circle of 360 degrees.

No kidding. That's some amazing circle. :rolleyes:

[lightgiver]

No kidding. That's some amazing circle. :rolleyes:

Isnt it :rolleyes::p

Nearly as big as your gob.(joke BTW)

random caller/Alan Watt on 360* degree freemasons - YouTube

Alan Watt on 360* degree freemasons

Alex Jones mentioning 360 degrees in Masonry - YouTube

You mean 24 parts I guess



You need to ask the person who wrote it.

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/sets/select/dm_circle360.html check link you need to.

[illuminumnuts]

12 hours above and 12 hours below made a circle of 360 degrees. 360 degrees are equivalent to one day of time. It was extremely clever because it also relates to location anywhere on the planet.

It must have been a 'genius moment' when one of them said:

'Oh, I know, let's have a society with 360 levels to mimic this amazing circle. Let's not use any common sense in creating the infrastructure of our great organisation.' :D



You need to ask the person who wrote it.

I'll live dangerously and maintain that 12 + 12 = 24. :eek:

[sofa king]

On the Grapevine ;)

Interesting bit of info for you here,

The signs of the zodiac where developed by Ancient Masons. Their foremost symbol is the compass and square. It was used in figuring out measurements of the heavens and movement of the planets. They drew a circle with the compass and divided the circle into twelve parts that relates to time, 12 hours light and 12 hours dark to give them a handle on movement. 12 hours above and 12 hours below made a circle of 360 degrees. 360 degrees are equivalent to one day of time. It was extremely clever because it also relates to location anywhere on the planet. Applying longitude and latitude you get location which is based on Greenwich Village time which is the zero point from where that system is measured.

http://www.cephas-library.com/masonry/masonry_how_does_god_relate_to_freemasonry.html



actually, the circle was in 36 units, as it still is for astrologers. Every zodiacal sign has 3 parts in the circle

[lightgiver]

I must have been a 'genius moment' when one of them said:

'Oh, I know, let's have a society with 360 levels to mimic this amazing circle. Let's not use any common sense in creating the infrastructure of our great organisation.' :D

:confused: What are you on about.
are you losing it?

actually, the circle was in 36 units, as it still is for astrologers. Every zodiacal sign has 3 parts in the circle

Still goes around in a circle like most folk I know.

[illuminumnuts]

:confused: What are you on about.
are you losing it?

I have heard in some masonic circles it goes the whole 360 degrees,I hear they are called the Olympians.:)

You said it. :)

You are possibly out of your depth...

[lightgiver]

You said it. :)

You are possibly out of your depth...

:confused: still do not get your waffle <who are you exactly do I know you :confused:

random caller/Alan Watt on 360* degree freemasons - YouTube

Very wealthy OLD families.

The 360 degrees may refer to the process one goes through to be appointed to the the highest degree. Although the higher you go up the more you are removed from reality.

a lot like nuts.

[illuminumnuts]

:confused: still do not get your waffle <who are you exactly do I know you :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C2y7_vd9UI

Ah, you must have been telling fibs or joking about the Olympians and forgotten your jest. Ok. :)

[sofa king]

Alan Watt on 360* degree freemasons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWLGVjNpuuE






just because Alan Watt says it is, doesnt make it so.

it just sells a few more of his books and audiotapes

[lightgiver]

just because Alan Watt says it is, doesnt make it so.



it just sells a few more of his books and audiotapes

BTW thats Alex Jones.

Just because a mason says it(who BTW belongs to a SECRET SOCIETY)

come of it.:D

Masons will never know because there is always some one above you in the hierarchy.

I hear Freemasonry is not very cheap these days.

[sofa king]

BTW thats Alex Jones.

Just because a mason says it(who BTW belongs to a SECRET SOCIETY)

come of it.:D

Masons will never know because there is always some one above you in the hierarchy.



this guy is no mason.

[illuminumnuts]

BTW thats Alex Jones.

Just because a mason says it(who BTW belongs to a SECRET SOCIETY)

come of it.:D

Masons will never know because there is always some one above you in the hierarchy.

I hear Freemasonry is not very cheap these days.

All sounds very important. :cool: I wonder if they might let me join in. :)

[lightgiver]

this guy is no mason.

Obviously :rolleyes:

same guy who was let in or snook in Bohemian grove, you know the one where they do some Bizarre mock human sacrifice ritual :eek:

yes grown men dressed in weird KKK type garb,very disturbing to say the least especially with all the missing kids..:eek:

[joe911]

this guy is no mason.

maybe he is...... http://camelsnose.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/hat-tin-foil-smiley.gif Prehaps he is working for "them". He did afterall infriltrate their supposed hangout and live to tell the tale

[sofa king]

maybe he is...... http://camelsnose.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/hat-tin-foil-smiley.gif Prehaps he is working for "them". He did afterall infriltrate their supposed hangout and live to tell the tale


if he really was a Mason, do you really think he would be revealing these "secrets"?

as far as his infiltration... thats according to him fromwhat I can tell.

Again, he sells more books this way

[lightgiver]

if he really was a Mason, do you really think he would be revealing these "secrets"?

as far as his infiltration... thats according to him fromwhat I can tell.

Again, he sells more books this way

I wonder if freemasonry sells lots of books.

I hear they are good at banking :)

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/8950/19431097.jpg (http://img704.imageshack.us/i/19431097.jpg/)

Experts at ripping people off.

[sofa king]

I wonder if freemasonry sells lots of books.



only to masons and conspiracy theorists

[lightgiver]

only to masons and conspiracy theorists

and non masons and non conspiracy researchers.:)

The chief legacy of the Templars was the banking system that they developed. In addition to making loans to individuals and governments, the Templars established complex systems for the transportation of wealth to and from the Holy Land. They also pioneered the use of something similar to modern checks. This allowed people to deposit money with the Templars in one place and withdraw it somewhere else. This was both easier and safer than transporting large amounts of gold or silver. The Templars' banking system became the foundation for the banking systems developed by merchants during the Renaissance.

- Philip M. Soergel

It may or may not be correct so I will provide link.http://www.solamande.com/library/knights-templar.html

History of banking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia s

[joe911]

if he really was a Mason, do you really think he would be revealing these "secrets"?

as far as his infiltration... thats according to him fromwhat I can tell.

Again, he sells more books this way

Isnt his buddy jordan maxwell a mason? Alex jones aint really that big so i doubt is he was one hed be anything more than a few degrees. His role in this movie is more the village iddiot.

[sofa king]

It may or may not be correct so I will provide link.http://www.solamande.com/library/knights-templar.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_banking s



very correct and very well documented.

as is the connection between the Templars and the ruling dynasties of the Langedoc region of France (you know Merogvinians, Cathars, Gnostics, the Grail bloodline etc)

speaking of Templars, n interesting theory I have read is that Philip IV brought them down not because of money, not because they wouldnt let him in the order, but for the religious artifacts they possessed. Remember at the time that there was tremendous fighting about having the Vatican in France versus Rome. The Templars had the safest vaults in the world, so the Pope had many artifacts in the Templar vaults. Not to mention whatever they found under the temple mount

[sofa king]

his role in this movie is more the village iddiot.



lmao!

[lightgiver]

very correct and very well documented.

as is the connection between the Templars and the ruling dynasties of the Laugedoc region of France (you know Merogvinians, Cathars, Gnostics, the Grail bloodline etc)

and what is the evidential connection ?:)

and



speaking of Templars, n interesting theory I have read is that Philip IV brought them down not because of money, not because they wouldnt let him in the order, but for the religious artifacts they possessed. Remember at the time that there was tremendous fighting about having the Vatican in France versus Rome. The Templars had the safest vaults in the world, so the Pope had many artifacts in the Templar vaults. Not to mention whatever they found under the temple mount

So what were the religious artefacts they possessed?

Thats if you know?

You hear so many story's these days.

You can answer ,I have already done the research I was just wondering your take on it all.(seeing you are a freemason)

Looks like you are doing a GS. LOL

Came across this but I am sure you must be aware of it,interesting for other forum members I am sure.

It all began in 1209, when Pope Innocent III sent 30,000 soldiers into the Languedoc region of southern France. This was the home of the Cathars (the Pure Ones), who were said to be the guardians of a great and sacred treasure -a mysterious secret which could overturn orthodox Christianity. The Pope's so-called Albigensian Crusade lasted for thirty-six years, during which time tens of thousands of innocent people were slaughtered - but the treasure was never found. In 1231, the main thrust of the Inquisition (or Holy Office as it was called) was instituted by Pope Gregory IX during the course of the Languedoc massacre, and it was set against anyone who supported the Grail heresy. By 1252 the torture of victims was formally authorised, along with execution by burning.:eek:

http://www.karenlyster.com/body_bookish5.html

looks like the Roman empire is still running the show.

another interesting passage and link,whether it be true ??

Although Christian in content, most of twentieth-century scholarship concurs in the belief that the romances of the Holy Grail rest ultimately on a pagan foundation of Celtic mythology, and a fertility ritual connected with the cycle of the seasons, the death and rebirth of the year. This would suppose, as Jessie Weston has proposed, in From Ritual to Romance, the survival of an ancient mystery tradition. In fact, occult legend has it that the famous crusader order, the Knights Templar, when in Jerusalem, came into contact with the infamous Ismaili sect of the Assassins, or Hashishim, who derived their teachings from Sabians of Harran, known to practice mystery rites dedicated to Tammuz.

http://www.thedyinggod.com/holygrail.html

[macneil]

The Ducati factory was built on a 13th century Knights Templar fortress outside Bologna. It was surrendered to the Vatican when they ordered the KT to disband. This location would have been of interest to the purported 23rd corporation, due to the Templar/Grail connection.

Originally a radio company, in 1939 Ducati had 1/3 of it's employees excavating the underground ruins for unspecified valuables. Presumed to be the treasure of the KT's european bank. The reason they had so many employees to do this.... the Nazi and Vatican demand for radios, their workforce trebled in a matter of months due to the demand. The following year, after receiving prototypes for German aircraft components, mechanical and optical divisions were added to Ducati.

[lightgiver]

The Ducati factory was built on a 13th century Knights Templar fortress outside Bologna. It was surrendered to the Vatican when they ordered the KT to disband. This location would have been of interest to the purported 23rd corporation, due to the Templar/Grail connection.

Originally a radio company, in 1939 Ducati had 1/3 of it's employees excavating the underground ruins for unspecified valuables. Presumed to be the treasure of the KT's european bank. The reason they had so many employees to do this.... the Nazi and Vatican demand for radios, their workforce trebled in a matter of months due to the demand. The following year, after receiving prototypes for German aircraft components, mechanical and optical divisions were added to Ducati.

any links to this :)

Its OK,http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1058446983

What about the KT in the Da Vinci painting,have you seen that one?

[macneil]

any links to this :)

Its OK,http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1058446983

What about the KTs in the Da Vinci painting,have you seen that one?

Have you a link not sure if I've seen? :)

Interesting stuff regarding marketing strategy too... should check out the guys art also

http://www.robot138.com/artwork/ascendbook.pdf

Leo Zagami mentions Bologna in the Chamelot interview I think... 54 Templars burned at the stake in Bologna...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_the_Knights_Templar

[lightgiver]

Have you a link not sure if I've seen? :)

Interesting stuff regarding marketing strategy too... should check out the guys art also

http://www.robot138.com/artwork/ascendbook.pdf

Leo Zagami mentions Bologna in the Chamelot interview I think... 54 Templars burned at the stake in Bologna...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_the_Knights_Templar

THE REAL SECRET OF LEONARDO - YouTube

this film was a homage the occult,masonic
societies,sun worship and more...

The Da Vinci code de-coded - YouTube

4.10 .

[macneil]

this film was a homage the occult,masonic
societies,sun worship and more...



I've still not seen this lol

or the info in the links... cheers

[lightgiver]

I've still not seen this lol

or the info in the links... cheers

The Templar Revelation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Leonardo da Vinci - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[quetzalcoatl]

well actually, we would be gossiping about the secret societies like The Moose, The Lions, The Rotary Club, The Oddfellows

Yeah, but not everyone would listen. ;)

[deem]

Rite of Memphis-Misraïm

* 1º Apprentice
* 2º Companion
* 3º Master
* 4º Secret Master
* 5º Perfect Master
* 6º Intimate Secretary
* 7º Provost and Judge
* 8º Intendant of the Buildings
* 9º Master Elect of Nine
* 10º Illustrious Elect of Fifteen
* 11º Sublime Prince Elect
* 12º Grand Master Architect
* 13º Royal Arch
* 14º Grand Elect Perfect and Sublime Master
* 15º Knight of the East or the Sword
* 16º Prince of Jerusalem
* 17º Knight of the East and the West
* 18º Knight of the Rose Cross
* 19º Grand Pontiff
* 20º Knight of the Temple
* 21º Patriarch Noachite
* 22º Knight of the Royal Axe
* 23º Chief of the Tabernacle
* 24º Prince of the Tabernacle
* 25º Knight of the Brazen Serpent
* 26º Prince of Mercy
* 27º Commander of the Temple
* 28º Knight of the Sun, or Prince Adept
* 29º Knight of St. Andrew
* 30º Grand Elected Knight of Kadosh
* 31º Grand Inspector Inquisitor Commander
* 32º Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret
* 33º Sovereign Grand Inspector General
* 34º Knight of Scandinavia
* 35º Knight of the Temple
* 36º Sublime Negociant
* 37º Knight of Shota (Sage of Truth)
* 38º Sublime Elect of Truth (The Red Eagle)
* 39º Grand Elect of the Aeons
* 40º Sage Savaiste (Perfect Sage)
* 41º Knight of the Arch of Seven Colours
* 42º Prince of Light
* 43º Sublime Hermetic Sage (Hermetic Philosopher)
* 44º Prince of the Zodiac
* 45º Sublime Sage of the Mysteries
* 46º Sublime Pastor of the Huts
* 47º Knight of the Seven Stars
* 48º Sublime Guardian of the Sacred Mount
* 49º Sublime Sage of the Pyramids
* 50º Sublime Philosopher of Samothrace
* 51º Sublime Titan of the Caucasus
* 52º Sage of the Labyrinth
* 53º Knight or Sage of the Phoenix
* 54º Sublime Scalde
* 55º Sublime Orphic Doctor
* 56º Pontiff, of Sage of Cadmia
* 57º Sublime Magus
* 58º Sage, or Prince Brahmine
* 59º Sublime Sage, or Grand Pontiff of Ogygia
* 60º Sublime Guardian of the Three Fires
* 61º Sublime Unknown Philosopher
* 62º Sublime Sage of Eulisis
* 63º Sublime Kawi
* 64º Sage of Mythras
* 65º Guardian of Sanctuary - Grand Installator
* 66º Grand Architect of the Mysterious City - Grand Consecrator
* 67º Guardian of the Incommunicable Name - Grand Eulogist
* 68º Patriarch of Truth
* 69º Knight or Sage of the Golden Branch of Eleusis
* 70º Prince of Light, or Patriarch of the Planispheres
* 71º Patriarch of the Sacred Vedas
* 72º Sublime Master of Wisdom
* 73º Patriarch, or Doctor of the Sacred Fire
* 74º Sublime Master of the Stoka
* 75º Knight Commandel of the Lybic Chain
* 76º Interpreter of Hieroglyphics, of Patriarch of Isis
* 77º Sublime Knight or Sage Theosopher
* 78º Grand Pontiff of the Thebiad
* 79º Knight, or Sage of the Redoubtable Sada
* 80º Sublime Elect of the Sanctuary of Mazias
* 81º Intendent Regulator, or Patriarch of Memphis
* 82º Grand Elect of the Temple of Midgard
* 83º Sublime Elect of the Valley of Oddy
* 84º Patriarch or Doctor of the Izeds
* 85º Sublime Sage, or Knight of Kneph
* 86º Sublime Philosopher of the Valley of Kab
* 87º Sublime Prince of Masonry
* 88º Grand Elect of the Sacred Curtain
* 89º Patriarch of the Mystic City
* 90º Sublime Master of the Great Work
* 91º Grand Defender
* 92º Grand Catechist
* 93º Regulator General
* 94º Prince of Memphis, or Grand Administrator
* 95ºGrand Conservator
* 96º Grand and Puissant Sovereign of the Order
* 97º Deputy International Grand Master
* 98º International Grand Master
* 99º Grand Hierophant

I think the collective term would be; Wankers!:D

[lightgiver]

You are going to like this ;) Macneil or anyone else who is interested.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2518/grail.gif (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/grail.gif/)

It is interesting that St. Bartholomew makes reference to Mary Magdalene in a Gnostic Gospel attributed to his authorship. Although I do not fully agree with the gnostic version of the story, perhaps Leonardo was saying that the history of the sangreal rests on Saint Bartholomew. If you look at the post-restoration painting from now on, you will see nothing but the Holy Grail.

Now if you remember in the Video when the picture was super imposed ,in St Bartholomew's place was the Knight Templar.

Correct me if I am wrong.:)

http://realmoftwelve.kryptos.info/about/grail.html

THE REAL SECRET OF LEONARDO - YouTube

Apparently Leonardo was the 12th grandmaster of the priory of sion.

Priory of Sion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[lightgiver]

The Knights Templar of the Middle East: The Hidden History of the Islamic Origins of Freemasonry

Book overview

For the first time ever, a source from within reveals the shocking truth that the roots of the Knights Templar, and thus those of Freemasonry, were actually not as deeply linked to Christianity but rather to Islam. The Knights Templar of the Middle East breaks new ground in this well-tilled sphere and is guaranteed to stir more fires of controversy than any other book to date on Freemasonry and Templars. The book delves deep to examine the true roots of this worldwide society and the author's own deeply personal, perilous journey to research and expose this hidden history. Going against the accepted history of the Freemason society as evolved from a remnant of Knights Templars who settled in Scotland, The Knights Templar of the Middle East takes readers much further back to the true historical biblical land, based in Western Arabia rather than Palestine. The true secret of the Inner Circle of the Order of the Templars was such that, had they revealed it, the knowledge would have rocked the cradle of Christian and Judaic beliefs.

http://books.google.fr/books?id=4uaP92JtH1gC&pg=PA209&lpg=PA209&dq=The+Ptolemic+descent+of+St.+Bartholomew&source=bl&ots=XfGVvXnnsv&sig=YM8M0rdg6Od28M3DlUrddHPnf1I&hl=en&ei=L2AgS7zrOIqK4Qaqx7XhCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=The%20Ptolemic%20descent%20of%20St.%20Bartholome w&f=false By Walid Amine Salhab

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4775/shrinerfez.jpg (http://img690.imageshack.us/i/shrinerfez.jpg/)

[illuminumnuts]

I think the collective term would be; Wankers!:D

You insolent swine. :D



The Knights Templar of the Middle East: The Hidden History of the Islamic Origins of Freemasonry

Book overview

For the first time ever, a source from within reveals the shocking truth that the roots of the Knights Templar, and thus those of Freemasonry, were actually not as deeply linked to Christianity but rather to Islam. The Knights Templar of the Middle East breaks new ground in this well-tilled sphere and is guaranteed to stir more fires of controversy than any other book to date on Freemasonry and Templars. The book delves deep to examine the true roots of this worldwide society and the author's own deeply personal, perilous journey to research and expose this hidden history. Going against the accepted history of the Freemason society as evolved from a remnant of Knights Templars who settled in Scotland, The Knights Templar of the Middle East takes readers much further back to the true historical biblical land, based in Western Arabia rather than Palestine. The true secret of the Inner Circle of the Order of the Templars was such that, had they revealed it, the knowledge would have rocked the cradle of Christian and Judaic beliefs.

The Sunday Sport might serialise this. :)

[macneil]

You are going to like this ;) Macneil or anyone else who is interested.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2518/grail.gif (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/grail.gif/)

It is interesting that St. Bartholomew makes reference to Mary Magdalene in a Gnostic Gospel attributed to his authorship. Although I do not fully agree with the gnostic version of the story, perhaps Leonardo was saying that the history of the sangreal rests on Saint Bartholomew. If you look at the post-restoration painting from now on, you will see nothing but the Holy Grail.


Thanks LG, have now watched the movie... took a while lol

http://realmoftwelve.kryptos.info/images/restoration-I.jpg

Symbolic of her being cut from history then... ty

[lightgiver]

Thanks LG, have now watched the movie... took a while lol

http://realmoftwelve.kryptos.info/images/restoration-I.jpg

Symbolic of her being cut from history then... ty

Plenty cover ups ;)

The utter ignorance and credulity of the people during these ages was the key factor in the rise of the monster of corruption that still preys over the world to this very day. This monstrosity used the Donation and other forgeries to cement its vast holdings and power, to reward favourites and benefactors, and to crush rivals. One may lament, when they study history, the dark ages and the periods of death, decay and superstition that once existed. One may also acknowledge that these times did come into existence of their own accord. They were not a natural phenomena. They were bought, paid for, and delivered upon humanity. Witches did not immolate themselves and great oracles did not demolish themselves. Civilizations and nations did not terminate of their own accord, and men of wisdom did not incarcerate themselves in dungeons nor hang, draw and quarter themselves in city squares. No! These heinous atrocities, perpetrated by sadists such as Bernard of Clairvaux and Friar Tomas de Torquemada, assisted the Church of Rome to remove those men and women who dared to stand up against their oppressive dominance throughout their land. The campaign to ruthlessly condemn so-called "heretics," (especially wealthy ones) and the establishment of the famous "Inquisition" occurred for this exact purpose. Kings bowed to the great power of Rome not merely from awe and allegiance, but from fear. They knew what their fate would eventually be had they decided to contradict or obstruct the way of the Church. They knew they were open to excommunication for not persecuting the "heretics" (Pelagians, Donatists, Cathars, Manicheans, Fraticelli, etc,) that were reported to them. That man's fear of the Pope and of Rome was synonymous with fear of god, was just one more cunning and brilliant stroke in the artifice of this house of lies and corruption whose power extends to the minds of men as well as to their laws.

[marpat]

Bless you.

They keep secrets from each other. Most masons think there are 33 degrees, and that once they reach 33 thats the pinacle and all the secrets are theirs to know. There are in fact many more degrees after 33. It's rumoured 90.

It's a secret organisation built on secrecy. Compartmentalisation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization_%28intelligence%29).

In a way you're right. Goodness is far more powerful than masonry. Allways be good.

Here's a thread for you :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awyxor2WUrA

Nothing but pure ignorance in your post

[marpat]

actually, the circle was in 36 units, as it still is for astrologers. Every zodiacal sign has 3 parts in the circle

Three decans per sign

[illuminumnuts]

Three decans per sign

It all sounds tremendously important to me. :)

[macneil]

Plenty cover ups ;)



http://www.novusordowatch.org/templars.jpg http://www.darksidecollective.org/images/TemplarRitual.jpg



Nobody expects the spanish inquisition! ;)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[lightgiver]

http://www.novusordowatch.org/templars.jpg http://www.darksidecollective.org/images/TemplarRitual.jpg



Nobody expects the spanish inquisition! ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHGOl-jfUK0

Yes I know what you mean ;)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75782

But esoterically, and philologically, the word never meant "goat", nor even anything so objective as an idol. The term means according to Von Hammer, "baptism" or initiation into Wisdom, from the Greek words bafh and mhtiz and from the relation of Baphometus to Pan.

Theres trouble at the mill.:D

[haukipesukone]

If everyone was a mason.. Then nothing would be secret right? Wouldn't it be hard for a secret to be kept? I don't really buy this whole masons are powerful etc...I have a more realistic theory.
lmao

So why don't we all join then? Except that don't Masons have secrets that not all other Masons hear about?

[macneil]

Yes I know what you mean ;)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75782

But esoterically, and philologically, the word never meant "goat", nor even anything so objective as an idol. The term means according to Von Hammer, "baptism" or initiation into Wisdom, from the Greek words bafh and mhtiz and from the relation of Baphometus to Pan.

Theres trouble at the mill.:D

lol one ont cross beams gone owt askew on treadle... :)

What do you think is the meaning of standing on the crucifiction?

[lightgiver]

What do you think is the meaning of standing on the crucifiction?

I personally feel its been made up,propaganda to discredit the Templars :)

BTW where does the picture originate from?

lol one ont cross beams gone owt askew on treadle... :)



http://www.nyt.co.uk/lancashire.htm http://www.btinternet.com/~troubleatmill/speak.htm

A special owdo to all Lanky expats wherever you may be in the world.:D

Ere's thi chance fert learn a bit o' Lanky...

Ee By Gum ~ The Fivepenny Piece - YouTube

[sofa king]

http://www.novusordowatch.org/templars.jpg http://www.darksidecollective.org/images/TemplarRitual.jpg



Nobody expects the spanish inquisition! ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHGOl-jfUK0



nice try but that image of Baphomet was courtesy of Eliphas Levi several hundred years after the Templars were disbanded by Philip

[macneil]

I personally feel its been made up,propaganda to discredit the Templars :)

BTW where does the picture originate from?



You could be right.... ;)

http://www.novusordowatch.org/archive2007-10.htm

Vatican publishes pricey book defending Knights Templar
"It's not the Holy Grail, but for fans of The Da Vinci Code and its tantalizing story line about the Knights Templar, it could be the next best thing.

"Ignored for centuries, documents about the heresy trial of the ancient Christian order discovered in the Vatican's secret archives are being published in a limited edition — with an $8,377 price tag.

"They include a 14th-century parchment showing that Pope Clement V initially absolved the Templar leaders of heresy, though he did find them guilty of immorality and planned to reform the order, according to the Vatican archives Web site. But pressured by King Philip IV of France, Clement later reversed his decision and suppressed the order in 1312.

"Only 799 copies of the 300-page volume, Processus Contra Templarios,— Latin for 'Trial against the Templars' — are for sale, said Scrinium publishing house, which prints documents from the Vatican's secret archives. Each will cost $8,377, the publisher said Friday."

[macneil]

nice try but that image of Baphomet was courtesy of Eliphas Levi several hundred years after the Templars were disbanded by Philip

Howdo... have you seen the crucifiction one before, do you know where it came from? Same guy?

[lightgiver]

You could be right.... ;)

http://www.novusordowatch.org/archive2007-10.htm

Vatican publishes pricey book defending Knights Templar
"It's not the Holy Grail, but for fans of The Da Vinci Code and its tantalizing story line about the Knights Templar, it could be the next best thing.

"Ignored for centuries, documents about the heresy trial of the ancient Christian order discovered in the Vatican's secret archives are being published in a limited edition — with an $8,377 price tag.

"They include a 14th-century parchment showing that Pope Clement V initially absolved the Templar leaders of heresy, though he did find them guilty of immorality and planned to reform the order, according to the Vatican archives Web site. But pressured by King Philip IV of France, Clement later reversed his decision and suppressed the order in 1312.

"Only 799 copies of the 300-page volume, Processus Contra Templarios,— Latin for 'Trial against the Templars' — are for sale, said Scrinium publishing house, which prints documents from the Vatican's secret archives. Each will cost $8,377, the publisher said Friday."

Even more mammon worship for the Vatican what a surprise.;)

I wonder if they will give the proceeds to the poor and needy,unlikely.

Fragments of a cassock worn by Pope John Paul II are being offered for sale to the faithful, causing concern in the Vatican over the resurgence in the veneration of relics.

Devotees of John Paul can apply via e-mail, fax or post for fragments of a white cassock to augment their prayers. A cassock worn by John Paul has reportedly been cut into 100,000 pieces to satisfy demand. :eek:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2525151.ece

Bankers' best guesses about the Vatican's wealth put it at $10 billion to $15 billion. Of this wealth, Italian stockholdings alone run to $1.6 billion, 15% of the value of listed shares on the Italian market. The Vatican has big investments in banking, insurance, chemicals, steel, construction, real estate.

http://www.cephasministry.com/catholic_vaticans_billions_1.html

[sofa king]

Howdo... have you seen the crucifiction one before, do you know where it came from? Same guy?


I've not seen either picture before, but I do know that this depeiction of Baphomet is all Levi.


Masonic scholars have found that when the Atbash cypher is applied to Baphomet, the word becomes Sophia (greek for wisdom)

[macneil]

I've not seen either picture before, but I do know that this depeiction of Baphomet is all Levi.


Masonic scholars have found that when the Atbash cypher is applied to Baphomet, the word becomes Sophia (greek for wisdom)

Eliphas Levi

February 11, 1810 - May 31, 1875
A prolific writer on Magical Freemasonry, he has been called, "the last of the Magi." Born, Alphonse-Louis Constant, and trained for the Roman Catholic priesthood, Lévi is best known for his Doctrine of Transcendental Magic (1855), Ritual of Transcendental Magic (1856) and History of Magic (1860), all written before his brief association with Freemasonry.
Initiated: 14 March, 1861
Quit/dropped from rolls: August 21, 1861
Lodge Rose du Parfait Silence
Grand Orient of France, Paris.

Also known for the All Seeing Bee Gee's cover art.... http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:2VYsdCeifWeu5M:http://images1.makefive.com/images/200826/f19b0b79c871e417.jpg

;)

[leviathanstaar]

Dear appropriate people:

-Just because the majority of an issue has been made silly

-Just because 99.5% of something is proven harmless and common knowledge.

-Just because you heard that popular poster/person/speaker say there is nothing there.

-Just because you're still stuck on things like the defiinition and actual process of compartmentalization (of which you may know nothing)

Does not mean the any and all of a situation/group/ actually anything at all, is known to you.

There is not a single phrase on the planet that shows how much a person doesnt know, more than stating 'everyone would know that'

[macneil]

Dear appropriate people:

-Just because the majority of an issue has been made silly

-Just because 99.5% of something is proven harmless and common knowledge.

-Just because you heard that popular poster/person/speaker say there is nothing there.

-Just because you're still stuck on things like the defiinition and actual process of compartmentalization (of which you may know nothing)

Does not mean the any and all of a situation/group/ actually anything at all, is known to you.

There is not a single phrase on the planet that shows how much a person doesnt know, more than stating 'everyone would know that'

Good point, I like to assess things for myself also but I still like to hear what others have to say... have you anything else to add on the subject at hand to help my assessment?

[agneau]

There is not a single phrase on the planet that shows how much a person doesnt know, more than stating 'everyone would know that'

Oh yes there is.

Every 'statment' that begins with the words (or variant of the words) "I believe...." is like a huge neon sign pointing at huge chasm of ignorance, or prejudice, or both.

[sofa king]

also known for the all seeing bee gee's cover art.... http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:2vysdceifweu5m:http://images1.makefive.com/images/200826/f19b0b79c871e417.jpg

;)



lmao!

[lightgiver]

lmao!

any chance of a reply to post 40 :confused::)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94627&page=4

[sofa king]

So what were the religious artefacts they possessed?

Thats if you know?

You hear so many story's these days.

You can answer ,I have already done the research I was just wondering your take on it all.(seeing you are a freemason)

Looks like you are doing a GS. LOL

Came across this but I am sure you must be aware of it,interesting for other forum members I am sure.

It all began in 1209, when Pope Innocent III sent 30,000 soldiers into the Languedoc region of southern France. This was the home of the Cathars (the Pure Ones), who were said to be the guardians of a great and sacred treasure -a mysterious secret which could overturn orthodox Christianity. The Pope's so-called Albigensian Crusade lasted for thirty-six years, during which time tens of thousands of innocent people were slaughtered - but the treasure was never found. In 1231, the main thrust of the Inquisition (or Holy Office as it was called) was instituted by Pope Gregory IX during the course of the Languedoc massacre, and it was set against anyone who supported the Grail heresy. By 1252 the torture of victims was formally authorised, along with execution by burning.:eek:

http://www.karenlyster.com/body_bookish5.html

looks like the Roman empire is still running the show.

another interesting passage and link,whether it be true ??

Although Christian in content, most of twentieth-century scholarship concurs in the belief that the romances of the Holy Grail rest ultimately on a pagan foundation of Celtic mythology, and a fertility ritual connected with the cycle of the seasons, the death and rebirth of the year. This would suppose, as Jessie Weston has proposed, in From Ritual to Romance, the survival of an ancient mystery tradition. In fact, occult legend has it that the famous crusader order, the Knights Templar, when in Jerusalem, came into contact with the infamous Ismaili sect of the Assassins, or Hashishim, who derived their teachings from Sabians of Harran, known to practice mystery rites dedicated to Tammuz.

http://www.thedyinggod.com/holygrail.html



Cant speak for what the Cathars possessed in terms of physical artifacts but we do know this, a number of Essenes/Church of Jeruselem settled in that area of France after the Jewish uprising that led to the Roams sacking Jeruslem. Among those being Joseph of Arimethea and Mary Called Magdelene.

They carried with them a more pure form of the words of Yehoshua ben Joseph than Paul and his subsequent liars.

Rememeber that the Pauline Church has always been opposed to anything that even remotely be related to the words/teaching/gspels of any Apostle. Why? Because Paul was full of shit. He wasnt even there and did a great deal to discredit the Apostles, especially James.

Same could be said of Irish Christianity prior to the Coucil of Whitby.



Okay, the Templar treasure is unknown. A lot of people can guess as to what they found, but no one knows for sure.

Religious artifacts from the vatican are pretty obvious. Shrouds, paintings, tttablets, original writings etc.

There are theories that the Templars, by way of the Languedoc royalty, possessed artifacts related to the Magdelene. One particular theory being the "head" "skull" "Baphomet/Sophia" which almost ALL Templars admitted to worshipping was quite possibly the skull of the Magdelene

[lightgiver]

Cant speak for what the Cathars possessed in terms of physical artifacts but we do know this, a number of Essenes/Church of Jeruselem settled in that area of France after the Jewish uprising that led to the Roams sacking Jeruslem. Among those being Joseph of Arimethea and Mary Called Magdelene.

They carried with them a more pure form of the words of Yehoshua ben Joseph than Paul and his subsequent liars.

Rememeber that the Pauline Church has always been opposed to anything that even remotely be related to the words/teaching/gspels of any Apostle. Why? Because Paul was full of shit. He wasnt even there and did a great deal to discredit the Apostles, especially James.

Same could be said of Irish Christianity prior to the Coucil of Whitby.



Okay, the Templar treasure is unknown. A lot of people can guess as to what they found, but no one knows for sure.

Religious artifacts from the vatican are pretty obvious. Shrouds, paintings, tttablets, original writings etc.

There are theories that the Templars, by way of the Languedoc royalty, possessed artifacts related to the Magdelene. One particular theory being the "head" "skull" "Baphomet/Sophia" which almost ALL Templars admitted to worshipping was quite possibly the skull of the Magdelene

very correct and very well documented.



You sounded so sure,cheers for the info none the less.:)

I know all about Vatican shenanigans.

Have you ever watched Bloodline the Movie,quite interesting.

Bloodline - Nicolas Haywood - YouTube

The lost Gospel of Mary Magdalene - YouTube

[sofa king]

You sounded so sure,cheers for the info none the less.:)

I know all about Vatican shenanigans.


okay, if you beg to differ, this is where you do so


as far as what I have to say, there is only so much room to say it here.


you also need to read between the lines. The Templars and Languedoc families were/are in possession of items that would tear apart Christianity as we know it.

[1964]

All lost sheep as far as i'm concerned. Baah. :)

They have a lack of individual identity and self-realisation. Like the great majority of society. Our education system has a lot to answer for. It's a fecking joke.

You are just buying into a fairytale. It doesn't help humanity.

You say I'm buying into a fairy-tale because I believe that only Jesus Christ can set people free from sin; free from this world; free from themselves. It's Jesus Christ Who's said that this world suffers every day because of sin, and that the only way to be set free from it all is to repent - to turn away from sin, that thing that's causing so much suffering. It's so obvious what Christ has said that to deny it is delusional - it's insanity.

[lightgiver]

you also need to read between the lines. The Templars and Languedoc families were/are in possession of items that would tear apart Christianity as we know it.

What are the items?

You can tell us,I am sure it would not tear us apart ;)

[camreeno]

Freemasonry is just stupid. More stupid are the people who call it a "good" organization because it gives to charity. Little do they know that these "charity" places are actually Illuminati fronts that fund efforts against what people think they're helping.

People just join the Freemasons because they want to join the stupid rituals and feel some sense of commeraderie. It's all about feeling "cool" for being a member of a secret society. That's it. "Oh I'm so cool because I'm a Mason and I'm putting all my symbols everywhere... Haha can't catch me." Just the concept of secretive organizations is conteptual. How can you have benevolent secrecy? It's an oxymoron.

[sofa king]

Freemasonry is just stupid. More stupid are the people who call it a "good" organization because it gives to charity. Little do they know that these "charity" places are actually Illuminati fronts that fund efforts against what people think they're helping.

.



so treating children with 3rd degree burns is a front? giving university tuition to poor inner-city kids is a front? buying groceries for little old ladies is a front?

you dont even know which charities the Masons are giving to.

[illuminumnuts]

You say I'm buying into a fairy-tale because I believe that only Jesus Christ can set people free from sin; free from this world; free from themselves. It's Jesus Christ Who's said that this world suffers every day because of sin, and that the only way to be set free from it all is to repent - to turn away from sin, that thing that's causing so much suffering. It's so obvious what Christ has said that to deny it is delusional - it's insanity.

Yes, that's why i'm saying you are buying into a fairytale. Great potential is in all of us. Jesus has got nothing to do with it.



What are the items?

You can tell us,I am sure it would not tear us apart ;)

A few functioning brain cells maybe...



so treating children with 3rd degree burns is a front?

Could be.



giving university tuition to poor inner-city kids is a front?

Could be.



buying groceries for little old ladies is a front?

Could be.



you dont even know which charities the Masons are giving to.

Well, at the least, i'm sure it must all be very important. :)

[camreeno]

so treating children with 3rd degree burns is a front? giving university tuition to poor inner-city kids is a front? buying groceries for little old ladies is a front?

you dont even know which charities the Masons are giving to.Ok I might have generalized a little there, but the truth is not all charities give to the have-nots. Sure it depends, but this notion that the Masons are good because they give to charity ties in with this belief that giving to "charity" "can only be good".

I'll admit I don't know the specifics as to which ones are or aren't bad, or what percentage are good or bad. One thing we do know is that Bill Gates consistently gives to "charity"...HUGE amounts of money. Since Gates has consistenty given money to Planned Parenthood, an Illuminati eugenics front, we can tell the charities he gives to are up to no good.

[marpat]

You say I'm buying into a fairy-tale because I believe that only Jesus Christ can set people free from sin; free from this world; free from themselves. It's Jesus Christ Who's said that this world suffers every day because of sin, and that the only way to be set free from it all is to repent - to turn away from sin, that thing that's causing so much suffering. It's so obvious what Christ has said that to deny it is delusional - it's insanity.

Yet in the gospel of Phillip jesus states that there is no sin except that which we make for ourselves. Quite contrary to the enforced idea of sin

What would you say to billions of people who never heard a single word of jesus? are they all condemned too? it would take a monstrous god to create such a reality but thankfully we can rest knowing that it is in fact the creation of a monstrous church

[dragond]

You say I'm buying into a fairy-tale because I believe that only Jesus Christ can set people free from sin; free from this world; free from themselves. It's Jesus Christ Who's said that this world suffers every day because of sin, and that the only way to be set free from it all is to repent - to turn away from sin, that thing that's causing so much suffering. It's so obvious what Christ has said that to deny it is delusional - it's insanity.

Lol.. jesus havent said fuck all! All those words u see on the bible was written by scholars, poets and writers.. Just like any other religion out on the market.. Bible was not written by Jesus nor it was written in Jesus's timeline..U are buying in to a fairytale as the whole idea of a religion is nothing more than a scam to programme ignorant people into obedience and slavery.. What a wonderfull scam it was as anyone can see today.. and to see and hear people quoting such words from a well written book which should only be in the fiction section of the library, as facts is quite amazing..


D

[1964]

Lol.. jesus havent said fuck all! All those words u see on the bible was written by scholars, poets and writers.. Just like any other religion out on the market.. Bible was not written by Jesus nor it was written in Jesus's timeline..U are buying in to a fairytale as the whole idea of a religion is nothing more than a scam to programme ignorant people into obedience and slavery.. What a wonderfull scam it was as anyone can see today.. and to see and hear people quoting such words from a well written book which should only be in the fiction section of the library, as facts is quite amazing..


D

Since you believe precisely what you've been trained to believe about Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible, then I have to say it's you who's been programmed and who's being controlled. You're only repeating the identical words that millions of other people just like you have also been trained to believe, and these teachings all come directly from the mainstream - from the very people that so-called "truthers" warn others not to trust. In the meantime, it's Jesus Christ Who said that people need to repent of their sins; reject the world; and follow Him. Because, Christ warned, if you remain in your sins then you can be assured that this world will enslave you; and that it will destroy you.

You reveal which of us is being controlled when you regurgitate the identical words that millions like you have also been taught to regurgitate, like so many obedient robots all in a row. And in the meantime, while you reject Jesus Christ, you can't even say what is truly written in the Word of God. All you can do is to repeat what you've been trained to repeat, without any words of your own, or even an original thought to express yourself.

When you start sounding like an original person, instead of like something that's come off of a production line, then come back and talk to me about who is and who isn't being controlled.

[1964]

Yet in the gospel of Phillip jesus states that there is no sin except that which we make for ourselves. Quite contrary to the enforced idea of sin

What would you say to billions of people who never heard a single word of jesus? are they all condemned too? it would take a monstrous god to create such a reality but thankfully we can rest knowing that it is in fact the creation of a monstrous church

Hi marpat,

I wrote you a much longer response before this one, addressing your own post in a lot of detail. But then I decided to delete it. It would be as productive for me to argue with the air, as it would be for me to try to argue with a person who's made up their mind to deny their own sin. I'm only here to warn you that sin comes with dire consequences, and that if you do not repent, I can promise you you'll regret it. But that is all. I'm not here to try to act as your conscience for you. What you decide about your own sin is your own affair, between God and you alone.

[dragond]

Since you believe precisely what you've been trained to believe about Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible, then I have to say it's you who's been programmed and who's being controlled. You're only repeating the identical words that millions of other people just like you have also been trained to believe, and these teachings all come directly from the mainstream - from the very people that so-called "truthers" warn others not to trust. In the meantime, it's Jesus Christ Who said that people need to repent of their sins; reject the world; and follow Him. Because, Christ warned, if you remain in your sins then you can be assured that this world will enslave you; and that it will destroy you.

You reveal which of us is being controlled when you regurgitate the identical words that millions like you have also been taught to regurgitate, like so many obedient robots all in a row. And in the meantime, while you reject Jesus Christ, you can't even say what is truly written in the Word of God. All you can do is to repeat what you've been trained to repeat, without any words of your own, or even an original thought to express yourself.

When you start sounding like an original person, instead of like something that's come off of a production line, then come back and talk to me about who is and who isn't being controlled.

errmm im the one trained, programmed?? wow coming from a guy/girl who quotes nothing but bible texts and propaganda?? u should read or hear what ur saying.. u and people like u are the ones trained and programmed to believe a bedtime story and u act like its the truth? seriously wow!! sound like an original person?? everthing i say comes from me not from a book nor from a imaginary saviour.. stop it, ur really are making urself look stupid, not that u need any help..


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[1964]

[QUOTE=illuminumnuts;1058472666]Yes, that's why i'm saying you are buying into a fairytale. Great potential is in all of us. Jesus has got nothing to do with it.


Christ has said that we are all born sinners into this world. You say we're all born with this "great potential" inside of us. If Christ were wrong, and you were right, then I should be able to look around me and see what a wonderful world I'm living in. But all I see, instead, is how this world is on a continuous decline with each successive generation that passes through it. So maybe it's tempting to believe that people all have this great potential inside of them, and that at the 11th hour, mankind will finally figure out how to save the world and himself. But I know that's not reality.

People say it's arrogant to believe we are the only form of life in existence in this vast universe. But how arrogant does man have to be to have caused all the damage he's caused and still believe he's something great? It's truly delusional. Truly insane.

[1964]

errmm im the one trained, programmed?? wow coming from a guy/girl who quotes nothing but bible texts and propaganda?? u should read or hear what ur saying.. u and people like u are the ones trained and programmed to believe a bedtime story and u act like its the truth? seriously wow!! sound like an original person?? everthing i say comes from me not from a book nor from a imaginary saviour.. stop it, ur really are making urself look stupid, not that u need any help..


D

I don't doubt that you've never read a book so as to try to make an intelligent decision about what you're going to believe. I seriously do not doubt you in the least. What I suspect is that it's others who read the books and now you're only regurgitating what you've heard from them. What you're not going to convince me of, however, is that millions of people all happen to be saying the identical things you're saying, and it's because millions of people have all come to you as their source for the truth.

[illuminumnuts]

But how arrogant does man have to be to have caused all the damage he's caused and still believe he's something great? It's truly delusional. Truly insane.

I think you'll find it's the programmed sheeple helping with most of the damage. That's delusional and insane. Every man does have great potential, but that doesn't necessarily make him great. No man is going to get anywhere until they learn to think for themselves critically and question everything. Maybe Jesus did exist, maybe he said some intelligent stuff, maybe he was great. However, he wasn't the son of God, no more than anyone else might be anyway, and his name - embellished by some crazy fairytales - has been hijacked to wreak havoc by lunatics. This scenario is inevitably mirrored in other religions, which are all 'right' of course :rolleyes:, and has already been said by dragond and countless others many times over. If only more could figure it out! You seem pretty intransigent in your position, but I would still like to ask you to reconsider your world view. If we disagree, we disagree. I don't see that we will get very far with this.

[lightgiver]

What are the items?

You can tell us,I am sure it would not tear us apart ;)

SK any chance of that reply.:) Post 77,just in case you have forgot.

[illuminumnuts]

SK any chance of that reply.:) Post 77,just in case you have forgot.


The answer is below.

A few functioning brain cells maybe...

[1964]

I think you'll find it's the programmed sheeple helping with most of the damage. That's delusional and insane. Every man does have great potential, but that doesn't necessarily make him great. No man is going to get anywhere until they learn to think for themselves critically and question everything. Maybe Jesus did exist, maybe he said some intelligent stuff, maybe he was great. However, he wasn't the son of God, no more than anyone else might be anyway, and his name - embellished by some crazy fairytales - has been hijacked to wreak havoc by lunatics. This scenario is inevitably mirrored in other religions, which are all 'right' of course :rolleyes:, and has already been said by dragond and countless others many times over. If only more could figure it out! You seem pretty intransigent in your position, but I would still like to ask you to reconsider your world view. If we disagree, we disagree. I don't see that we will get very far with this.

You're talking to someone who once belonged to the Roman Catholic church, and who once considered becoming a Protestant. And then Christ, Himself, appeared to me to show me that all of them are only imposters. When I was diagnosed with cancer for the second time, and the doctors insisted I would probably be dead in one year without added chemo therapy, it was God Who commanded me to refuse anymore chemo. I obeyed God, while the doctors said I was crazy. And I survived while others around me took the drugs and died. That was 11 years ago now. I've witnessed the true Christ, I've stood in the Light of His presence, I've heard His voice, and have seen it with my own eyes how even the air and the demons obey Him. Not this false, dead Christ who has been designed for the sole purpose of deceiving people - but the true Christ. And you're right, it's not possible anymore for anyone to change my mind about the truth that's been revealed to me. I've witnessed it with my own eyes and ears, that Jesus Christ is precisely Who He has said He is - the Son of the living God, the authority Who stands over His creation, and the Savior of men's souls from their sins.

No, it's not the so-called "sheeple" who've caused all the damage in this world, all by themselves. I might have agreed with you at one time, when I was full of myself and in denial of my own sin. But now I see what a cowardly, childish accusation it is - to divorce ourselves from mankind's dire situation as though we are members of mankind only when it's time to take credit for some accomplishment.

But I do appreciate your honesty in admitting to me that you don't think I can change your mind about your own beliefs. Too many people would rather run around in circles beating each other up with insults. Thanks for at least letting me try to change your mind.

[dragond]

I don't doubt that you've never read a book so as to try to make an intelligent decision about what you're going to believe. I seriously do not doubt you in the least. What I suspect is that it's others who read the books and now you're only regurgitating what you've heard from them. What you're not going to convince me of, however, is that millions of people all happen to be saying the identical things you're saying, and it's because millions of people have all come to you as their source for the truth.

lol actually billions of people including u are the real repeaters of BS. I cant help but to laugh at ur weasal attacks on my beliefs.. at least i came to the conclusion just BY MYSELF! You say other people read and i repeat what i heard? wow coming from someone who reads fantasy characters on a fiction book! its like pot calling kettle black! :D Identical things u say? all u have to do is talk to a religious person to see who talks about the identical things.. now i wouldont mind if its ur bullshit that u come up with it urself but i really and believe me when i say im really getting fed up with people playing with other peoples shit and trying very hard to make it stick. now flush the toilet coz ur arguements start to stink!


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[dragond]

You're talking to someone who once belonged to the Roman Catholic church, and who once considered becoming a Protestant. And then Christ, Himself, appeared to me to show me that all of them are only imposters.

im sorry to hear about ur cancer and hope that it wont return again. but i cant help but to say, are u serious? are u serious about what u wrote above? now i can understand why u will think like u do and accusing anyone who doesnt believe the same things as u believe of being a sinner, denier, repeater and so on.. but i would like to add that it was U who saved u from Cancer not jesus nor god.. my point is this, dont underestimate what U, urself can do.. power of the mind is endless and ur not the only one who was healed from cancer. please just think about what i said and then answer if u like.


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[illuminumnuts]

No, it's not the so-called "sheeple" who've caused all the damage in this world, all by themselves. I might have agreed with you at one time, when I was full of myself and in denial of my own sin. But now I see what a cowardly, childish accusation it is - to divorce ourselves from mankind's dire situation as though we are members of mankind only when it's time to take credit for some accomplishment.

Come on, what creates most of the sheeple in the first place? It's religion, even if less so nowadays. I think it's quite amusing you flip it round conceptually so that you brand people that think for themselves as sheeple precisely because they are in a 'group' of people that 'think for themselves'; while you see religious folk, Christian in your case, as enlightened because they supposedly 'each' figured out on their own that the stories 'fed to them en masse' are legitimate.

But I do appreciate your honesty in admitting to me that you don't think I can change your mind about your own beliefs. Too many people would rather run around in circles beating each other up with insults. Thanks for at least letting me try to change your mind.

I'm not one for insulting or having toy fights with genuine people, whatever their position. Congratulations on surviving your cancer. :)

[marpat]

Hi marpat,

I wrote you a much longer response before this one, addressing your own post in a lot of detail. But then I decided to delete it. It would be as productive for me to argue with the air, as it would be for me to try to argue with a person who's made up their mind to deny their own sin. I'm only here to warn you that sin comes with dire consequences, and that if you do not repent, I can promise you you'll regret it. But that is all. I'm not here to try to act as your conscience for you. What you decide about your own sin is your own affair, between God and you alone.

Depends on what gospels you read by the looks of it. It also sounds like you are trying to intimidate me into your way of thinking. If god wants to inform me then he does not need you to tell me how it is.

[marpat]

[QUOTE=illuminumnuts;1058472666]Yes, that's why i'm saying you are buying into a fairytale. Great potential is in all of us. Jesus has got nothing to do with it.


Christ has said that we are all born sinners into this world. You say we're all born with this "great potential" inside of us. If Christ were wrong, and you were right, then I should be able to look around me and see what a wonderful world I'm living in. But all I see, instead, is how this world is on a continuous decline with each successive generation that passes through it. So maybe it's tempting to believe that people all have this great potential inside of them, and that at the 11th hour, mankind will finally figure out how to save the world and himself. But I know that's not reality.

People say it's arrogant to believe we are the only form of life in existence in this vast universe. But how arrogant does man have to be to have caused all the damage he's caused and still believe he's something great? It's truly delusional. Truly insane.

Dont forget a lot of the misery in the world has been created by the church. I am sure there are many choirboys whose lives have been destroyed. I am sure many thousands of people burnt to death in the witch hunts must have felt that your religion was very evil for the acts it carried out.

Actually even christ said we are all gods so we must have this potential within us. He states this by quoting a psalm in which it is said we are all as gods. Maybe you need to get educated in your own religion.

So christ must be born into sin, or at least his mother was so he must have inherited it anyway.

Check this link out and see the sickening practices of your religion:

http://www.members.tripod.com/~Motomom/index-3.html

[stompk]

All forms of religion, Masons included, don't need temples, churches, to be close to God, is what Jesus said.

However, if one MUST make an edifice to God, better keep it Holy.

Otherwise, not only does one pay for their own sins, but the sins of
those they led down the wrong path...

Every form of religion assumes their religion is the right one. Who's right, and how do they know?

I know that intentionally going against God will land one in hot water. Eventually, they will have to pay.

[marpat]

All forms of religion, Masons included, don't need temples, churches, to be close to God, is what Jesus said.

However, if one MUST make an edifice to God, better keep it Holy.

Otherwise, not only does one pay for their own sins, but the sins of
those they led down the wrong path...

Every form of religion assumes their religion is the right one. Who's right, and how do they know?

I know that intentionally going against God will land one in hot water. Eventually, they will have to pay.

Freemasonry is NOT a religion

[grachtengordel]

Freemasonry is NOT a religion

alright, it's a cult then

[marpat]

alright, it's a cult then

This is the definition of a cult:

1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

4 and 5 would seem to apply but such could be applied to so many other things. In essence a cult seems to be a dereogatory label to be used by religious people against those whose ideas they consider false or unorthodox, ie. Ickianity

[dragond]

[QUOTE=1964;1058473630]


Actually even christ said we are all gods so we must have this potential within us. He states this by quoting a psalm in which it is said we are all as gods. Maybe you need to get educated in your own religion.


So true marpat.. and this is my point about US humans.. People have been programmed to think that we are useless sinners who cant do anything without the aid of Jesus/Mohammed/God or any made up figures, real or fake.. We are helpless so to say.. and this is what gets to me.. We have a great potential to reach new hights in knowledge,wisdom, spirituality and all that is in us.. people should stop underestimate what we can do.. self awareness is good place to start..


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[marpat]

So true marpat.. and this is my point about US humans.. People have been programmed to think that we are useless sinners who cant do anything without the aid of Jesus/Mohammed/God or any made up figures, real or fake.. We are helpless so to say.. and this is what gets to me.. We have a great potential to reach new hights in knowledge,wisdom, spirituality and all that is in us.. people should stop underestimate what we can do.. self awareness is good place to start..


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I think it is only really christianity that is so anal about the whole thing, When you look into something like Buddhism it is so optimistic that it almost puts christianoty to shame. The funny thing is though that the bible quotes christ as saying we are gods yet his supposed followers are trying to deny we have the power within us.

[1964]

dragond,

I just came across this post from you, quoting me as saying something I never said. You didn't simply misquote me, but you made up an entire paragraph of your own, and then you attached my name to it. What I want to know is why? I can tolerate a lot of things from people, but to do something like this is just plain immature and downright snaky. Here's the quote you attached my name to. I'm giving you one chance to explain it.

Originally Posted by 1964

Actually even christ said we are all gods so we must have this potential within us. He states this by quoting a psalm in which it is said we are all as gods. Maybe you need to get educated in your own religion.

[marpat]

dragond,

I just came across this post from you, quoting me as saying something I never said. You didn't simply misquote me, but you made up an entire paragraph of your own, and then you attached my name to it. What I want to know is why? I can tolerate a lot of things from people, but to do something like this is just plain immature and downright snaky. Here's the quote you attached my name to. I'm giving you one chance to explain it.

I think the quotes marks had been misplaced. It appears my post above has done the same thing

[dragond]

dragond,

I just came across this post from you, quoting me as saying something I never said. You didn't simply misquote me, but you made up an entire paragraph of your own, and then you attached my name to it. What I want to know is why? I can tolerate a lot of things from people, but to do something like this is just plain immature and downright snaky. Here's the quote you attached my name to. I'm giving you one chance to explain it.

Im sorry 1964, it was marpat's quote i wanted and im not too sure why ur name come up.. It wasnt done intentionally and i know for a fact thats not ur way of thinking.


D

PS if u look at the post it has quote marpat and right below it has ur name.. weird..

[sofa king]

This is the definition of a cult:

1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

4 and 5 would seem to apply but such could be applied to so many other things. In essence a cult seems to be a dereogatory label to be used by religious people against those whose ideas they consider false or unorthodox, ie. Ickianity



this definition might apply, however there is no worship in a Masonic ceremony

[illuminumnuts]

Quote:
Originally Posted by illuminumnuts
Yes, that's why i'm saying you are buying into a fairytale. Great potential is in all of us. Jesus has got nothing to do with it.


Christ has said that we are all born sinners into this world. You say we're all born with this "great potential" inside of us. If Christ were wrong, and you were right, then I should be able to look around me and see what a wonderful world I'm living in. But all I see, instead, is how this world is on a continuous decline with each successive generation that passes through it. So maybe it's tempting to believe that people all have this great potential inside of them, and that at the 11th hour, mankind will finally figure out how to save the world and himself. But I know that's not reality.

People say it's arrogant to believe we are the only form of life in existence in this vast universe. But how arrogant does man have to be to have caused all the damage he's caused and still believe he's something great? It's truly delusional. Truly insane.


[QUOTE=marpat;1058475267][QUOTE=1964;1058473630]

Dont forget a lot of the misery in the world has been created by the church. I am sure there are many choirboys whose lives have been destroyed. I am sure many thousands of people burnt to death in the witch hunts must have felt that your religion was very evil for the acts it carried out.

Actually even christ said we are all gods so we must have this potential within us. He states this by quoting a psalm in which it is said we are all as gods. Maybe you need to get educated in your own religion.

So christ must be born into sin, or at least his mother was so he must have inherited it anyway.

Check this link out and see the sickening practices of your religion:

http://www.members.tripod.com/~Motomom/index-3.html






Yes, I think marpat has got somewhat confused.

[marpat]

Yes, I think marpat has got somewhat confused.

Only in your mind

[dragond]

i think this quoting thing is getting confused. I didnt get ur post illuminumnuts.. its kinda confusing to see whos saying what...


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[illuminumnuts]

Only in your mind

No, on the thread too. You have made some errors in correctly attributing quotes on this thread. :)



i think this quoting thing is getting confused. I didnt get ur post illuminumnuts.. its kinda confusing to see whos saying what...

It's all pretty straightforward. See above. :)

[lightgiver]

this definition might apply, however there is no worship in a Masonic ceremony

Hi Sofa King:)

are you going to answer the question:confused: Post 90.

[sofa king]

Hi Sofa King:)

are you going to answer the question:confused: Post 90.



no, I'm not going there.

you're playing a game I choose not to participate in.

[lightgiver]

no, I'm not going there.

you're playing a game I choose not to participate in.

:confused:

What do you mean I am playing NO games.

It is you who are playing games you make suggestions but do not back them up.

[dragond]

no, I'm not going there.

you're playing a game I choose not to participate in.


SK, u did made a claim afterall if u dont remember let me quote '' you also need to read between the lines. The Templars and Languedoc families were/are in possession of items that would tear apart Christianity as we know it.''

This is in noway playing games or targetting u.. when u say something u should back it up with evidence.. Like lightgiver, id like to see what u base the above on.. If its ur own belief then fair enuff...


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[lightgiver]

SK, u did made a claim afterall if u dont remember let me quote '' you also need to read between the lines. The Templars and Languedoc families were/are in possession of items that would tear apart Christianity as we know it.''

This is in noway playing games or targetting u.. when u say something u should back it up with evidence.. Like lightgiver, id like to see what u base the above on.. If its ur own belief then fair enuff...


D

Hi dragond :)

Also most Christians are being hoodwinked by the Vatican.

More like it will tear the Vatican apart.

The Templars and Languedoc families were/are in possession of items that would tear apart Christianity as we know it.''

http://exodus2006.com/ENOCH.HTM

[1964]

Im sorry 1964, it was marpat's quote i wanted and im not too sure why ur name come up.. It wasnt done intentionally and i know for a fact thats not ur way of thinking.


D

PS if u look at the post it has quote marpat and right below it has ur name.. weird..

dragond,

I know we're very much opposed in our beliefs, but I didn't want to believe you would do something like this intentionally. I'm relieved to know that you didn't do it intentionally, and that it was just a mistake. Thank you. And thank you for explaining.

[dragond]

dragond,

I know we're very much opposed in our beliefs, but I didn't want to believe you would do something like this intentionally. I'm relieved to know that you didn't do it intentionally, and that it was just a mistake. Thank you. And thank you for explaining.

thanks for the kind words 1964 and i would never intentionally do anything to mislead or put words in someones mouth when they havent said anything.. I just want us to have a level headed conversation or even debate, and with some topics close to peoples hearts, naturally will get heated, and for me thats due to the passion not hatret.. After all we are all being fooled on everthing thats labelled the truth today and the only way to defeat this is to put all our cards down, set aside our differences and come to an agreement on what we all hold dear.. the most important one would be the rape of our FREEDOMS.. thank you again for ur understanding..


D

[dragond]

Hi dragond :)

Also most Christians are being hoodwinked by the Vatican.

More like it will tear the Vatican apart.

The Templars and Languedoc families were/are in possession of items that would tear apart Christianity as we know it.''

http://exodus2006.com/ENOCH.HTM

Hey Lightgiver.. u have a point with the Vatican.. and while were on the topic of the vatican, id like to ask a question to my christian friends, why does Christianity's headquarter is based in Vatican/Italy? when it was the romans who murdered/crucified Jesus? u might say that it was the jews who wanted Jesus dead so thats why they did it, but then i would ask another question, why is Judeism protected by the Christians so much? when it was the jews who wanted him dead? please correct me if im wrong.. Id like to clarify few of the questions i had in mind regarding this...


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[lightgiver]

Hey Lightgiver.. u have a point with the Vatican.. and while were on the topic of the vatican, id like to ask a question to my christian friends, why does Christianity's headquarter is based in Vatican/Italy? when it was the romans who murdered/crucified Jesus? u might say that it was the jews who wanted Jesus dead so thats why they did it, but then i would ask another question, why is Judeism protected by the Christians so much? when it was the jews who wanted him dead? please correct me if im wrong.. Id like to clarify few of the questions i had in mind regarding this...


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and Pontius Pilate was of Scottish descent,just in case you were not aware.;)

The thing is True Christianity was Hi jacked by the Romans and the rest of them for their own devices to fleece everybody, pull the wool over their eyes and eventually lead them to the slaughter at which they are experts at.

People keep saying the Piso family wrote the Bible,(most have us know most of the bible was edited over the years ,they omitted most of the important Gospels.

lets have it right, more like Hi jacked and anyone who keeps repeating the Piso line are just getting it off someone else.

:p

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/pisocake.html Gospel of Truth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or,

Is it a coincidence that the Piso family originated in Pontus, and there is a character in the NT named Pontius Pilate? Pontus was an ancient country that was located on the southern coast of the Black Sea, province of Cappadocia. The Latin name of the Black Sea was Pontus Euxinus. Did you ever wonder where the name Pontius Pilate came from? Perhaps it was to commemorate the origins of the Piso family. One of the Piso family ancestors was named Pilatus.

I am sure it is up for debate,but sun know the truth and sun do not and sun are just obviously hiding the truth.

Its like telling your kids Santa does not exist but by the time someone comes to tell them, they have already found out it really means satans Claws :eek::D

another crock of crap.

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/3870/pilatestone.jpg (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/pilatestone.jpg/)

Pilate Stone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/historical-notes-pontius-pilate-a-name-set-in-stone-1084786.html

[1964]

im sorry to hear about ur cancer and hope that it wont return again. but i cant help but to say, are u serious? are u serious about what u wrote above? now i can understand why u will think like u do and accusing anyone who doesnt believe the same things as u believe of being a sinner, denier, repeater and so on.. but i would like to add that it was U who saved u from Cancer not jesus nor god.. my point is this, dont underestimate what U, urself can do.. power of the mind is endless and ur not the only one who was healed from cancer. please just think about what i said and then answer if u like.


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dragond,

I understand why it looks the way it does to you. I really, really do. If I hadn't lived through it all myself, I wouldn't have been able to believe it. Some people come by their faith in Christ in an honorable way. Not me. I was like Thomas, worse than Thomas, the one who doubted - the one who insisted that until He saw Christ resurrected with his own eyes, and saw his wounds, he would not believe.

You would have to live through it to fully understand it. Few things will motivate a person like trying to save their own life. A lot of cancer patients become so knowledgeable and educated about the disease that they eventually know more than the doctors do. It's not the doctors, after all, who are trying to save their own lives - it's YOU.

I was diagnosed with cancer two different times. Here's what you shouldn't be expected to understand. When I went through it the first time, I did precisely as you said: I relied on myself to save my own life. This included studying the disease so obssessively that within a matter of weeks, I was able to catch my own doctors in their mistakes. I fired one of them when he tried justifying his mistakes by telling me that I had only one patient to treat, while he had more patients than he could count. I told him he obviously had too many patients. I was forced to sit in on a conference regarding my own case, to prove that the course of treatment I was demanding was the best one for me. I won. Outside of all this, I was also heavily involved in new-age therapies. I practiced relaxation exercises, and visualization techniques, where by the "power of my own mind" I would imagine the cancer being destroyed. Etc.

None of it mattered. Six months later, after going through my own personal hell, they said the cancer was back and had now spread to my bones. They told me my cancer was highly aggressive, and that I had one shot left. More chemo-therapy. But a form of chemo that was so harsh, the chemo itself could kill me. I would run the risks of heart-attack; stroke; secondary cancers like leukemia; and death. But I stood at least a 50% chance of being dead in one year if I refused the treatments.

Two remarkable things happened after that. I came out of the doctor's office and was waiting for my cab home. There was a tall building across the street from where I was standing. I just happened to look up, and hovering over top the building I saw this enormous white cross. I looked away, gave my head a shake, when I looked back it was gone. It was very bizarre. Part of me felt like I was on the edge of panic from the news I'd received. Part of me kept being drawn into this place of total peace.

At home, alone in my room, I thought no way can I go through this again, and now even worse. I was already exhausted in every possible way. God has promised that He will not turn away a broken spirit, and that day I felt truly broken. I called out to God like I had hundreds of times before in my life, never expecting that He would actually answer me. But He did. I heard Him speak, and it shocked me. He gave me only a simple command, "No chemo!"

I remember how as soon as His voice hit the air, the air in the room grew completely still. I felt it and saw it, how even the very air is under His authority. And at the very same time, all the fear and dread that had filled me was suddenly sucked right out of me. Even the dread and fear that had gripped me was forced to obey Him!

You have to try to understand that according to the medical profession, and everyone I knew, what I did after that was tantamount to committing suicide. There was no one who was on my side to support me, no one who agreed with what I was doing. The doctors said I was in shock, in denial, refusing to deal with my situation. But I knew what had happened in my room that day, despite anything anyone else had to say. I refused anymore chemo-therapy. No radiation; no more chemo; no more funky new-age therapies. Just me and God.

I was still in extreme pain throughout it all. At every appointment, I was so happy to hear the cancer had not spread any further. I thought this must be the miracle God had sent me, that He had stopped the cancer from spreading. Six more months passed by, until the final bone-scan. The doc called me into his office and told me it must have all been one big mistake. He explained that cancer in the bones never heals - they can never heal it, only hope to control it. This last bone scan revealed that my bones were healing. I remember how at first my mind couldn't understand what the doc had just said. I was too shocked. It was as if he'd just spoken to me in Chinese. I stopped seeing the doctors about a year afterwards. That was 11 years ago now.

Since that time, Jesus Christ has healed me many times over again. Even to do with illnesses that have nothing to do with cancer. I've seen half-empty bowls of food fill up in front of my eyes. I've called out to Him to please remove certain people from certain situations, and to please bring other people into other situations - always, and immediately, He answers me. I've seen it with my own eyes, how even the demons are afraid of Him and obey Him.

Once, swept up by the Holy Spirit, I was taken backwards in time to the precise moment of Christ's crucifixtion. The cross had always seemed smaller in my imagination - I gasped when when I saw how enormous it actually was. I gasped again when I saw them press that roughly hewn stake into the palm of His hand. I saw how dark that day was, when they crucified Him - the darkness was so thick in the air. My heart was sinking so deep inside of me. Moments later, He spoke to me from inside of Heaven. I had never seen anything so utterly beautiful as when I stood in the Light of His presence. It was like staring into the light of a thousands suns, but yet my eyes didn't hurt. I saw all the love and the life and the authority that emanated from just the Light that emanated from His presence.

To be loved is to be known, and I knew no one else had ever known me the way He knew me. He knew things about me that I had kept hidden even from myself. He told me and He showed me how He'd won the victory that day. He is now seated at the right hand of His Father, in Heaven. He overcame sin; won the keys to death and hell. There is nothing and no one left that can have power over Him. He's won it all.

I understand why you see things the way you do, dragond. I used to be where you are now. But now, for me, it all comes down to this: How much do people really mean the things they say? Cause people can talk all day long about the power of their own minds, and about their so-called inner god, and even about how it's reptilians who are taking over this world. But it's their actions that tell you what a person truly believes. This new-age teaching about the power of one's own mind and the so-called inner god has become very, very popular. Millions upon millions of people believe it. Even this should be a sign to them that they don't truly believe the things they say. They claim they don't trust the mainstream and the NWO, but yet that's precisely where these new-age teachings have led them - right back into the mainstream, and back into the hands of the NWO. Even the so-called "truthers" have now become mainstream. If people really believed what they were saying, that alone would tell them what they need to know. But their actions prove they don't believe themselves - every movement they follow leads them back into the hands of the NWO, and they follow along anyways.

On top of all this, I see people every day who insist they believe in the power of their own mind and in their "inner god", who go running to their doctors when they're sick. What will they do when their own time comes to now confront their own death? Do you really believe they'll suddenly find true faith in their own minds to save them? And that it's their minds that will give them eternal life? Gadz, if they believed their minds had the power to give them eternal life, there's no way they'd bother with doctors and medicine ever again. It's their actions that tell you what people truly believe, despite whatever else they might say with their mouths.

Do you know why it's so easy for the devil to deceive people? Think about it - even Christ's first apostles struggled with their faith when they had witnessed Christ's miracles firsthand. Think about this also - everything the NWO order does to deceive people is done to them through their senses. Hearing; seeing; touching; feeling; thinking.

"The spirit is willing, but the flesh is so weak."

People are so imprisoned by the weakness of their own flesh that it causes them to even disbelieve the very things that come from their own mouths. And if by their own flesh and their own hearts people are able to deceive even themselves, then how easy must it be then for the devil to deceive them? That same sin that people refuse to repent from is that same sin the devil uses against them, to thoroughly and completely deceive them.

People who call themselves Christians have thought I was crazy for the things I've told you here. So who is it they truly believe in then? Because it can't be Jesus Christ. There's nothing I've said that Christ, Himself, has not said in the Word of God. They prove by their actions that they don't believe the things they claim to believe.

People who call themselves "truthers" will also call me crazy for the things I'm telling you. So they don't believe themselves either when they speak. If they did, then how could they think I was crazy for saying that Jesus Christ can perform the miracles they claim their own minds can perform? By calling me crazy, they call themselves crazy. By saying that what I'm telling them is impossible, they're saying that what they believe is impossible.

Anyhow, when your own time comes to confront your own death, you'll see what little power your mind has to save you. And you'll realize then that your "inner god" never existed. Just one more lie from the devil to damn your soul to hell. But you're still on this side of eternity - you still have time. Do this for yourself, dragond - don't just say what you believe, but test the things you believe. Test them hard. And when your beliefs fail you, then for your own sake, you'll have to do something that's extremely hard for a lot of us - you'll have to stomp on your own pride so that by your pride, you're not misled again. Even pride itself rises up from the flesh to deceive us, and is another powerful tool the devil uses against us.

I wish you well, dragond.

[aronia]

Bless you.

They keep secrets from each other. Most masons think there are 33 degrees, and that once they reach 33 thats the pinacle and all the secrets are theirs to know. There are in fact many more degrees after 33. It's rumoured 90.

It's a secret organisation built on secrecy. Compartmentalisation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization_%28intelligence%29).

In a way you're right. Goodness is far more powerful than masonry. Allways be good.

Here's a thread for you :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awyxor2WUrA

Alex Jones once said that there is 360 degrees.

[marpat]

Alex Jones once said that there is 360 degrees.

Did he forget to mention that he means in a circle? who made Alex Jones the oracle of Delphi anway? I have seen him on a documentary trying to convince people that a tower block has a large owl on it when seen from a certain viewpoint, which turned out to be bollocks.

[aronia]

Did he forget to mention that he means in a circle? who made Alex Jones the oracle of Delphi anway? I have seen him on a documentary trying to convince people that a tower block has a large owl on it when seen from a certain viewpoint, which turned out to be bollocks.

I don`t remember more when he said because it - because it`s 5-6 years ago he said it.

I believe the jesuits made Alex Jones the oracle of Delphi.

[sofa king]

I believe the jesuits made Alex Jones the oracle of Delphi.



I believe Alex Jones just likes to sell lots of books and personal appearances

[lightgiver]

Did he forget to mention that he means in a circle? who made Alex Jones the oracle of Delphi anway? I have seen him on a documentary trying to convince people that a tower block has a large owl on it when seen from a certain viewpoint, which turned out to be bollocks.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

OWLY STYLE

U.T. Tower - YouTube

LOOKS PRETTY OWLY TO ME.

[marpat]

I have already seen that on Sky TV. It is not an owl. If it was then there would be no doubt. Not only that but Jones tries to claim the owl is a symbol of moloch but when you look up moloch it comes up with lots of bull headed imagery, not owls.

[nihil]

Owl or Bull, it is a sacrificial place.

[lightgiver]

I have already seen that on Sky TV. It is not an owl. If it was then there would be no doubt. Not only that but Jones tries to claim the owl is a symbol of moloch but when you look up moloch it comes up with lots of bull headed imagery, not owls.

I couldn't care less TBH whatever molech and co go by, but it does look like an owl:)

[marpat]

Owl or Bull, it is a sacrificial place.

Yeah, lets not pay attention to the details of what people claim :rolleyes: