Do you really believe?

[jim fear]

Does anyone else think that it is possible that we all just want to believe in things like UFO’s, psychic ability, aliens etc just to escape mundane everyday life? And just to have something to make life a bit more interesting?

Generally people who are depressed end up looking for more out of life, some find religion others turn to drugs, and maybe we have just found this. If this is the case then what’s actually real? I have lost faith in the television which seems to be peoples main source of information, almost like a dictator it tells us how to dress who to look up to while celebrity hypocrites tell us what we should be doing with our lives (Save the planet, don’t wear fur, eat this product, buy this shampoo etc…). There are many faults in our society but if our government were really against us would we still have Hospitals, dentists, fire service etc, why would they care about environmental issues? And make us recycle?

I’ve decided to try and tune myself into these strange psychic abilities to see for myself, I’ve got to experience it to believe it, the world is a strange place but there’s always the doubt that this could all be bullshit, just a load of out of context, exaggerated/made up stories from which we form our own idealistic reality just to break the boredom of our everyday lives.

If the government is so corrupted why don’t they just screw us over all at once and have done with it? It wouldn’t be hard to do they’d just stop filling up the supermarkets and there’d be chaos. We all no that plan can go wrong and to coordinate a plan to control the world is immense! Surely they’d be heaps of information, of behinds the scenes.

I no this sound very sceptical but its important to no what is real. I’ve not seen enough convincing evidence to come up with a watertight conclusion as yet. I wanna see some of this advanced alien technology, which the ancient people had, some photos of actual shape-shifters and other hard evidence.

I want to no if psychic abilities are possible, Maybe its just a side of us which we don’t use regularly enough to be able access it as easily as we should. Time will tell! Let me no what you think anyway

Jim

[kblood]

I think I have tried just about every psychic ability there is. Every one I know of anyway. I have tried explaining how to try to get in touch with them in other threads, but seems they keep getting lost as old threads. That is how it is to post in a forum with so many users :)

Any specific abilities you have in mind? I have tried explaining mine and how I use them a few times now, so I guess its good practice for me. Also I maybe learn more about them or get new ideas by explaining them as well :) I cannot use them all at will though. Seems it takes time to get in the state of mind for them to work, or at least it takes will to get in that state of mind. I usually do not get into that state of mind without good reason, because the hardest part is to get rid of it again after. Takes time to calm down, and get back within the 5 senses again. F.ex. seeing ghosts or telepathy, makes everything a bit confusing. Doing normal everyday stuff can be quite difficult if you recieve telepathic messages, or got "white noise" in your head. Another problem is that these messages usually arent clear. Maybe not even meant for you to begin with.

Still... what did you have in mind?

[_underscore_]

_underscore_ believes in aliens for a couple of reasons (neither of which are due to depression, _underscore_ has never had a reason to depress). First and foremost, there have been two occasions where _underscore_ has seen unusual objects in the night sky, secondly, there is no reason to assume that humans are the sole intelligent species in the universe. As far as psychic abilities, _underscore_ also is absolutely sure of them. In 1997 _underscore_ took a trip up to Seattle with a few friends to see a Supercross race. During the course of that race, _underscore_ had made seven or eight predictions about who was going to win and who was going to crash and where (for example, a rider was coming up on a jump, and _underscore_ said watch that guy, he's going to crash on that jump, and it happened), and they all came true, people in the crowd around _underscore_ were amazed, as was _underscore_. To top off the evening, while _underscore_ and his buddies were walking back to the car, _underscore_ jokingly told the owner of said car that there would be a parking ticket on his window, and yes, there was a ticket. _underscore_ doesn't know why or how he made so many accurate predictions within the course of three hours, but it sure was cool.

[jim fear]

I was wondering if you need any sort of protection, I’m not even sure what the dangers could be but I don’t want to go into this blind. I have an interest in astral travelling I have a book on this so I’m going to have a read though that and see where that gets me.

I’d like to learn to mediate but I’m not quite sure what I should be doing while I mediate in order to gain whatever it is I have to gain from it even if it is just to help me relax. Basically I’m interested in anything I could use to improve my health, and progress in spiritual development. I have a few health problems which are holding me back at the moment so I’d like to get shut of them first and then continue with the development and hopefully I’ll be able to improve my life, and with any luck improve other peoples lives for the greater good. so some tips would be a great help!


_underscore_ are you referring to yourself? What’s with the third person thing?

[kblood]

Sounds like self healing is a good place to start then:
http://www.quantumtouch.com/

Quantum touch healing is something I have used myself. I have always felt that I could keep sickness at bay as long as my psyche and mood wasnt too depressed or feeling generally down. Then I was lucky enough to get to know a couple that used massage and a kind of meditation as healing, of both body and mind. To make a better harmony of both. After joining this forum, I have come to see that the exactly same kind of therapy and healing are the techniques used in quantum touch healing. It can be used for selv healing and healing others as well. The general idea is somewhat that every touch is in fact a kind of healing. It can be done more effeciently though.

As for _Underscore_, yea he/she likes to refer to him/her-self as third person. Confused me at first as well, and havent found out why. Would be nice if _Underscore would answer that question :)

[lifeofbrian]

Hello again Jim, great post, and great questions. Some times the important thing isn't the answers, but the questions. They provide an excellent reality check. Cheers.

The way I look at it, any number of things could spark an interest in the universe. Maybe it depends on our earliest memories, or something in the subconscious, don't know exactly. In my experience, I had my first depression when I was 8, and my parents told me they were divorcing. I decided life was over and walked into the water one day at the beach. I got the second depression at 12 when my dad died. At 14 I read von Däniken as he was all the rage at the time (-74) and due to him I began reading about not only religions and politics in my spare time after school, but archeology and history. I got another depression at 19, which was biological and psychological. It's very common to land really hard when the raging hormones begin to settle and the furious growth of the brain and body slows down. During the teens it's like being on uppers and downers constantly, and when the drugs, hormones, wear off, it feels kinda empty. Mentally, it was the pressure to fit in, get girls, know what to do 'when I grew up', and being disillusioned with seeing people for what they were really like. The worst was hearing what everyone else thought I should do, being 6ft5in and into sports they thought I was all muscle and no brain, stereotyping to the max.

Just saying, depression can be a normal thing, and it'll pass. It's not a permanent state of being. There's such a thing called 'the dark night of the soul', that's pretty much what a depression is, in my understanding. Some kind of loss, and the 'low' is a natural mourning. Like mourning a childhood passed, or that childhood wasn't what we had wished, we were dumped with too much responsibitily too soon, whatever - there's loads of stuff that the body can express but which never reaches the surface of the daily consciousness. Being 'low' for a bit is OK, nobody can stay peaked on a roller-coaster all the time - that's like burning out really quickly. If the highs and the lows are not too 'violent' during a day, and the mode/mood is more or less 'neutral', that's a good place to be, it means the feelings are not overriding the mind and there's balance.

Something similar to depression is disillusionment. When the carpet of belief is taken away from under our feet. That can also give a feeling of emptiness and disorientation. I think it is then we might begin to look into alternative explanations and hypothetical answers more seriously, instead of treating the alternative theories as episodes of the X-Files.

Re: alien life. I absolutely believe there is life elsewhere in the universe. Even if it's just a microbe, it's life. There are so many billions of stars out there, the odds has me convinced.

Re: psychic abilities. I used to be married to a female shaman for nearly 20 years. I kid you not: psychic ability is real. She goes into trances (not channeling) and does stuff like soul retrievals, which is like clearing out karma for people and bringing aspects of their younger selves back into here and now, bits they 'split off' when they were either scared or otherwise traumatised, and she clears attached discarnates off of people (what Icke refers to as 'reptiles'). Through her I connected with my dead dad and got some information there's no chance in hell she could have known about through regular sources. According to her, anyone can develop their paranormal abilities, as it's to do with our 'wiring', DNA. She's also into this '2012' area but not the new age version, the 'nuts and bolts'. She's given up trying to inform people and so have I, people have to find out for themselves, it's a free will world.

Meditation is a great way to primarily relax and recover from stress in daily life. For the past 10-11 years now I have instructed in meditation, and it is actually not recommended for people with depression. That is because the relaxation is too similar to the lethargic feeling of depression. If you feel as if your body is 'heavy' and you don't have enough energy to get you through the day, I would suggest doing something that will give you energy instead, like exercise of some kind, but on a regular basis. Get the body used to it. If the body feels safe and strong, and it only will through regular routines, then the biochemistry will affect the mood, stabilise it, and meditation is OK to practise.

Sorry, I go on a bit. Yours was an inspirational post.

[hutanic]

Why do u think all of us just base our conclusion on beliefs? Ever considered people may know of certain stuff and not just buy what others say purely based on faith? Search and u will find is best advice i can give u. Good luck

[lapis]

jim fear,

"Do you really believe?" No I know from a lifetime of living it!

So-called "psychic abilites" and much much MUCH more are indeed simply aspects of us all that most people (up until recently) haven't been able to connect with for lots of reasons. I was born with many of them and have had to learn ass-backwards from the majority of people about living with these (to me normal) senses in a world that dosen't or didn't believe in them. BTW, that's a pile of shite and another very deliberate con by the elite and religious controllers. What better way to keep the masses from accessing greater aspects of themselves and figuring out how horrifically they've been controlled like animals, than claiming it's spiritually "dangerous" and intellectually "not real" and not to be "trusted"???

It wasn't until I was in my teens (in the 1960s) that I realized everyone didn't perceive "reality" as I did. It was a hard blow actually. See how this is the polar opposite of where you're coming from concerning this subject?

The primary problem non-psychic people have with this whole subject is that they try to access what's in our right brains through ONLY their left brain hemispheres! That is not the way to reach realities and all that exists within them. You've got to be willing to let go of that intellectual death grip as the one and only means to perceive everything beyond it! ;)

If you REALLY SERIOUSLY want to perceive more than what you have been, state that to the greater part of YOU. Intend it to be so and it will start now easier and faster than ever before. But be prepared for things like "reality" :rolleyes: to change! If you're not ready to cope with that level of change and expansion then let it go until you are. It's coming either way. The best of luck with it all.

[kblood]

I have felt much the same way Lapis. Some of the things I remember to have had as a kid, and then forgotten about. Later I have simply thought it seemed natural for everyone to communicate with telepathy, then I realised, as if waking up from a dream, that most people do not even believe telepathy to be possible.

Before finding this forum, it seemed to me that most the world was walking around blindfolded... but now I see that we are alot that acknowledge these senses. Maybe I wont have to go concentrating on not using more than the "normal" 5 senses in a near future?

[jim fear]

There have been a lot of interesting replies to my messages. When I read my message back it seems as through I was returning to my default conditioned state and my mind closes up again. I find it very easy to have doubts and then “Fall back to sleep” maybe more so than others because I’ve never experienced anything outside my “normal” 5 senses so naturally I'm unsure of the abilities that we posses. Something like this is so hard to prove; hopefully in the coming weeks I’ll experience some thing, which change my perception.

I think that at the moment I am at the opposite end of the spectrum to some of you guys, who evidently are very much in tune with your other senses. Its not that I don’t believe in these abilities it is just the fact I haven’t had the same experiences that a lot of you have had so I find it hard to accept, I guess that I’m a typical product of the system along with all my doubts.

I’ll need to do a lot of studying because I have no idea how to access this stuff and I’m not really sure what to expect when I do, Maybe all this stuff is suppressed in me because of ill healthy and at the moment and my body’s focusing all its energies on addressing that.


Lifeofbrain: I think that your view on UFOs/Ets is based around common sense. When you think about it, it’ll be more astonishing if there wasn’t life somewhere else in the universe since there are more suns than there are grains of sand on the earth.

Depression wise I take it as it comes, I have breathing problems and when I exercise I tend to screw myself up, so I just avoid sugar and junk food and go out for walks. I’m a bit of a wreck at the moment.

You mentioned the 2012 thing what did she think of that? My understanding is that there are 3 schools of thought on that subject
1. The earths axes reverse and we all die maybe leaving only the enlightened who some how survive
2. That it marks the date of a massive spiritual awakening, like the sawn of a new golden age
3. The Mayans got bored and just decided to stop writing there calendar

Lapis: I think you sound quite gifted with these abilities special as they come so naturally to you, as does Kblood, hopefully in the not to distant future we’ll be able to communicate on a different level with these abilities (assuming they work that way) then I can stop writing these 10,000 word essays every time I have something to say! lol :rolleyes:

You sound like a very knowledge lot I hope that you won’t object to me picking your brains in the near future! It’s so much to get your head around through and I hope the world and life is as amazing as I feel it should be

[kblood]

For a long time I actually was like you Jim. Mostly because my memories of using more than 5 senses got suppressed. After joining this forum, or when realising some of the powers are not just a fantasy, I get more memories back of using these senses earlier in my life.

F.ex. I remember going to the hospital when I was young. My brother was to be examined I think. I met a little boy there in the waiting room, and I went to play with him. Much to the distress of his mother, I began to talk with him about death and the afterlife. I guess I must have sensed that his end was near. At some times, it seems I just give in to these senses, and go with the flow. Do what feels right to do. Before he went into what might have been surgery, I promished him that we could play again next time I came. The next time I came, he was in the waiting room again, and I said hi to him. I do not remember his responses at all, but I remember throwing a ball to him, that just went through him. So I went to my brother and told her that he was no fun to play with. That he was probably just dead. Another mother in the room thought I was crasy, but I think she realised that I was more than just a crasy young boy. Why would I talk about such things if there wasnt more to it?

This memory is one that returned to me after joining this forum, and thinking back on my encounters with ghosts. All but one or two ghosts that I have met are ones that I knew before they died. The only logical way for a ghost to communicate must be some kind of telepathy. Telekineses is something I began to believe in because of a ghost. I told a ghost to smash a lamp, to prove it was there to someone else, and it did. So I realised that I as well ought to be able to interact with someone with my essence alone. I have found that it is possible, but very difficult as well. I have seen at least one on this forum that I am sure have learned to use telekinesis as well.

[kesdin]

I believe that there are things out there that people won't believe if they saw it just once. My train of thought is that why shouldn't we consider these things? Should we just believe what is on the surface or told to us? I've never actually experienced any ghost type things though. I've "sensed" some things but...
My question is.. do all of these things fit in together? Aliens, ghosts, psychic powers, the end of the world, god, high-tech...
I've heard stories of ghosts and things. I wouldn't recount those stories because they are really freaky.

If I were to develop a psychic skill. I would develope telekinesis and clairvoyance.

[lapis]

jim,

20 years ago I would have responded to this subject in a totally different way. 10 years ago I would try to slide down the middle with it and just make a few suggestions and let it go at that. Today everything is radically different and so my response will reflect the current higher energeis and transformation of humanity.

Having been born "psychic" I've learned much about how it works over the decades. Everyone needs to understand that the old ways of how we believe and expect "psychic" abilities to be are currently changing very fast. We're evolving and so are our abilities and consciousness are as well. What used to be impressive rare psychic abilites is fast becoming the New normal in everyone! With the long standing Veil between our brian hemispheres "falling" (disappearing) now, we're soon to quite literally become new higher functioning, perceiving, feeling and creating beings. We will be unrecognizable very soon to the old limited deaf dumb and blind heartless beings we've been! I wouldn't be too concerned with developing, the old lower way, your psychic abilites when you, me and humanity is currently transforming, evolving into new higher beings. ;) Just pay attention in a very relaxed way and let this spiritual evolution happen within you.

For the past 2 years I've been obsessively aware that this inner brain separation, this "left brain" vs. "right brain" split polarity consciousness is dying right along with the crusty insane patriarchy and elite. :D I just read something about this from a trusted source. "Timeless Space ~ Timeless Love" posted Sept. 15, 2007 - link below.

"....Your brain is being re-wired over a period of approximately between two to five years, along with all of humanity...."
http://lightworker.com/beacons/

We're evolving right now and will continue to and when we have full access to our non-polarized brains and opened Hearts......what used to be known as "psychic" will seem horribly small and useless. ;)

[lifeofbrian]

jim,

20 years ago I would have responded to this subject in a totally different way. 10 years ago I would try to slide down the middle with it and just make a few suggestions and let it go at that. Today everything is radically different and so my response will reflect the current higher energeis and transformation of humanity.

Having been born "psychic" I've learned much about how it works over the decades. Everyone needs to understand that the old ways of how we believe and expect "psychic" abilities to be are currently changing very fast. We're evolving and so are our abilities and consciousness are as well. What used to be impressive rare psychic abilites is fast becoming the New normal in everyone! With the long standing Veil between our brian hemispheres "falling" (disappearing) now, we're soon to quite literally become new higher functioning, perceiving, feeling and creating beings. We will be unrecognizable very soon to the old limited deaf dumb and blind heartless beings we've been! I wouldn't be too concerned with developing, the old lower way, your psychic abilites when you, me and humanity is currently transforming, evolving into new higher beings. ;) Just pay attention in a very relaxed way and let this spiritual evolution happen within you.

For the past 2 years I've been obsessively aware that this inner brain separation, this "left brain" vs. "right brain" split polarity consciousness is dying right along with the crusty insane patriarchy and elite. :D I just read something about this from a trusted source. "Timeless Space ~ Timeless Love" posted Sept. 15, 2007 - link below.

"....Your brain is being re-wired over a period of approximately between two to five years, along with all of humanity...."
http://lightworker.com/beacons/

We're evolving right now and will continue to and when we have full access to our non-polarized brains and opened Hearts......what used to be known as "psychic" will seem horribly small and useless. ;)

No way were you 'born' psychic. You're a fake.

[lapis]

lifeofbrian,

Really? Why so....from your perspective? :) Because you so quickly and effortlessly called me a "fake" publically, I'd now like you to write why you believe this to be.

[kblood]

Seems very possible to me to be born psychic. I remember seeing ghosts as a kid, and back then it felt natural, but later I forgot about it. Guess it did not seem like anything important I was forgetting back then since it seemed common. Only much later I realised that it is not common to be able to see ghosts.

So it seems to me that we are very likely to have been born psychics and then forgot about these abilities later. I also remember thinking telepathy to be something common and normal for everyone, but then I realised it was something rare that I could not even do myself. Now I have found that I can use telepathy as well, guess I did maybe 3-4 years ago.

[lapis]

Thanks kblood.

I feel that everyone incarnates and remains somewhat open (some of us lifeofbrian, much more so and for far longer than others) to Home or more of Source. Problem for most people however is that from birth to age 7 we're natrually open and receptive to where we just came from but, if we're surrounded by parents/people/culture/religious beliefs etc countering what we're personally perceiving......then most people's open connection gets closed down sadly just to fit-in here. Or, for various reasons people loose their connection because it would hinder or make more difficult, what their Higher Self hopes for them to learn and integrate in this particular incarnation. There's lots of higher soul reasons for either staying open or not staying open.

This confusion/argument is a common one in some astrology forums because people assume that if you have such and such planet/planets prominently placed in your birth chart that that automatically and naturally predisposes you be a "psychic" or "empathic" etc. Not totally so however and the reasons are found in individual developement and evolutionary frequencies, current soul purpose for this life, and being able (or not) to cope with perceiving and feeling more reality/realities at the same time than usual. It's like not being able to bench press 400 pounds because you've got to train first and build yourself up to being able to do that without harming your body. Same with energies and consciousness.

I've never been about fitting-in, just the opposite, and this has much to do with why I and other people like me are sensitives in the first place! There's a theme here lifeofbrian, see if you can discern some of it instead of your knee-jerk reaction to what you don't understand as yet.

I was very consciously aware of my own deeper embedding into this physical reality over the years but, for many different reasons (like a few past life trainings, soul purpose, unfinished services to self and humanity, things like this post and other things ;) ), I remained psychically open throughout early childhood and beyond. My "psychic" abilites have grown and changed over the years as I have, which is as it should be, but I'm still receptive and in better ways than before actually.

[kesdin]

psipog.net is a great place to get information about psychic things.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-FBXaQkzrjI

[kesdin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NwRfMJgOQ

A better one

[crowhawk]

Does anyone else think that it is possible that we all just want to believe in things like UFO’s, psychic ability, aliens etc just to escape mundane everyday life? And just to have something to make life a bit more interesting?

Generally people who are depressed end up looking for more out of life, some find religion others turn to drugs, and maybe we have just found this. If this is the case then what’s actually real? I have lost faith in the television which seems to be peoples main source of information, almost like a dictator it tells us how to dress who to look up to while celebrity hypocrites tell us what we should be doing with our lives (Save the planet, don’t wear fur, eat this product, buy this shampoo etc…). There are many faults in our society but if our government were really against us would we still have Hospitals, dentists, fire service etc, why would they care about environmental issues? And m

I’ve decided to try and tune myself into these strange psychic abilities to see for myself, I’ve got to experience it to believe it, the world is a strange place but there’s always the doubt that this could all be bullshit, just a load of out of context, exaggerated/made up stories from which we form our own idealistic reality just to break the boredom of our everyday lives.

If the government is so corrupted why don’t they just screw us over all at once and have done with it? It wouldn’t be hard to do they’d just stop filling up the supermarkets and there’d be chaos. We all no that plan can go wrong and to coordinate a plan to control the world is immense! Surely they’d be heaps of information, of behinds the scenes.

I no this sound very sceptical but its important to no what is real. I’ve not seen enough convincing evidence to come up with a watertight conclusion as yet. I wanna see some of this advanced alien technology, which the ancient people had, some photos of actual shape-shifters and other hard evidence.

I want to no if psychic abilities are possible, Maybe its just a side of us which we don’t use regularly enough to be able access it as easily as we should. Time will tell! Let me no what you think anyway

Jim

I think a lot of what you're saying is true. To some people this has become a sort of religion. They'll believe however much the evidence, or lack of would indicate contrary to those beliefs. I can't help noticing how you feel the need to be almost apologetic for your skepticism as if it's a bad thing.

If I'm to be absolutely honest I think some of the stuff on this site is ludicrous! The queens a "shape shifting reptile"? Metaphorically maybe but literally? Does anyone truly believe in this nonsense? stupid question! I'd be the first to agree she's an over privileged anachronism!

I find the belief in "Satanic Child Abuse to be deranged lunacy. There's never been one shred of evidence of it's existence, outside the dangerously warped, degenerate minds of the christian fundamentalists. This unfortunately hasn't stopped them from bringing misery to countless families, with their bizarre idiotic absurd accusations.

Most of the time with government conspiracies I tend to think, "well, they can't even conspire to get the trains to run on time". Then with something like 9/11 or the War Of Terror with all the intrigues & sub-plots surrounding it you have to ask yourself "how much am I prepared to believe in coincidence"? Who has benefited the most from it? If 9/11 was a plot in a Sherlock Holmes novel taking into account means, method & motive, who do you think would be found to be the guilty party at the end of the book?

[lightbeing]

No way were you 'born' psychic. You're a fake.

A bold statement, how do you know this?

We are all born with a multitude of abilities, but have been conditioned to ignore/forget them.:(

[crowhawk]

There has been literally millions of scientific investigations into claims of psychic ability. There has also been huge sums offered as prizes for anyone who can show proof of it's existence. So far as I'm aware, no-one has ever managed to do so! When I see or hear of people claiming to have supernatural powers, denied to the rest of the human race, I think I should be forgiven for saying "Prove it"! Until someone does, like most people I'll remain, I think justified in my skepticism.

[hutanic]

U not hearing about something or science not accepting something does not make it unreal or untrue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Kulagina

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4136420323180728374&q=Nina+Kulagina&total=21&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

Just one of exsamples

[crowhawk]

U not hearing about something or science not accepting something does not make it unreal or untrue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Kulagina

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4136420323180728374&q=Nina+Kulagina&total=21&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

Just one of exsamples

It does however, make it unproven. Me being a simple minded tool of the NWO that I am require proof I don't have a desire to believe in something until I see it for myself. I have see many film tricks, hoaxes, etc. Now the question I always find myself asking, is "has the entire natural order of things been turned upside down, or is this human error or trickery"? Which is most likely? So until I see proof to the contrary I'll go on believing in the laws of nature.

[hutanic]

The entire natural order of things been turned upside down, and presented to be that way(witch is what keeps it that way). That i know from my own life. But i also agree that one should not believe until he for him self doesn't find out. I wasn't just skeptical but also in denial until truth came to me so that i couldn't denie it no more. It relay doesn't matter what u believe in or what your current views of world are as long as u keep open mind and question everything in your search. So sure "until I see proof to the contrary" stick to what u know or believe.

[kblood]

I agree. There is not really any need to believe in psychic powers most of our life anyway. I did not really have much of a choice in not believing, unless I admitted to be insane. So I tried denying it, what I have seen and felt. Today I usually do not think about it in daily life. Usually it is not really usefull for necessary anyway.

However, if telepathy became a common sense, it would be nice, except for the fact that it might not have any good "off mode". Same goes for empathy as well. I think mobile phones and so on is the better choice in most situations.

[thoth]

It does however, make it unproven. Me being a simple minded tool of the NWO that I am require proof I don't have a desire to believe in something until I see it for myself. I have see many film tricks, hoaxes, etc. Now the question I always find myself asking, is "has the entire natural order of things been turned upside down, or is this human error or trickery"? Which is most likely? So until I see proof to the contrary I'll go on believing in the laws of nature.

What is the natural order? Quantum physics along with some of the most important discoveries of the 20th and 21st centuries have told us that the 'natural order' is whatever consciousness says it is, or isn't. PK is easy and we are doing it everyday (of course we don't know that) the explanation of these things are even easier, and science HAS defined it, its just that most people don't know of it or have a hard time accepting it when presented with such information.

[thoth]

Understand this, the 'natural order of things' on this planet is really unnatural and we are merely a shell of what humans can be, and this universe is a shelll of what it could be. Our purpose in the state that we are in is as food! The sooner we realize this the better.

[crowhawk]

Understand this, the 'natural order of things' on this planet is really unnatural and we are merely a shell of what humans can be, and this universe is a shelll of what it could be. Our purpose in the state that we are in is as food! The sooner we realize this the better.

I don't understand how the universe can be "a shell of what it could be"? According to scientists it is an ongoing explosion moving outwards at an exponential rate. The natural order of things, ie the laws of nature, can not be by definition "un-natural". You may say this about human reality, which is an artificially contrived set of circumstances, within which, we are forced to exist. By the Laws of nature I mean gravity, entropy, etc, basic well established by science. Quantum physics is theoretical science. The laws of nature are observable, logical & unambiguous. I do not believe in so called "psychic powers" I believe people may talk to the dead, I just don't believe the dead answer them! I find no reason to believe in TK or telepathy. It may be possible to subliminally perceive facial expression or body language sub-consciously & interpret this as intuition, but this is not supernatural. With such huge amounts of "prize" money at stake, (I know James Randi offers $ one million US) to anyone who can show irrefutable proof of these abilities, I would have thought that anyone who actually had these powers would be queuing up in droves to prove it? They charge the vulnerable & gullible, for their services.

[kblood]

I don't understand how the universe can be "a shell of what it could be"? According to scientists it is an ongoing explosion moving outwards at an exponential rate. The natural order of things, ie the laws of nature, can not be by definition "un-natural". You may say this about human reality, which is an artificially contrived set of circumstances, within which, we are forced to exist. By the Laws of nature I mean gravity, entropy, etc, basic well established by science. Quantum physics is theoretical science. The laws of nature are observable, logical & unambiguous. I do not believe in so called "psychic powers" I believe people may talk to the dead, I just don't believe the dead answer them! I find no reason to believe in TK or telepathy. It may be possible to subliminally perceive facial expression or body language sub-consciously & interpret this as intuition, but this is not supernatural. With such huge amounts of "prize" money at stake, (I know James Randi offers $ one million US) to anyone who can show irrefutable proof of these abilities, I would have thought that anyone who actually had these powers would be queuing up in droves to prove it? They charge the vulnerable & gullible, for their services.

James Randi is also the judge of what qualifies as "psychic powers". Setting a prize on psychic powers is simply against it. Psychic powers are simply not for winning prizes. I know and have heard of people who can see into the future and have foretold lottery numbers f.ex., but having these powers you know it is wrong. So the prize gotten this way usually isnt collected. Therefore setting a prize on proving it is very self defeating, and on top of that James Randi does not want to find a psychic, he only wants to prove that there are no such thing as a psychic, and that is then what he will find. People who do not want to believe in it, does not deserve knowing about it either as I see it.

If talking to the dead did not make them answer, then how is it a dead person can tell someone about something only this dead person would know about, and not the person talking with the dead person? Science have many times met phenomenom that cannot be explained by what is now considered laws of nature, and mostly they then just disregard it as coincidence or errors. If some kind of scientific find today cannot be explained, then it simply is not accepted as true. Many scientists today do not experiment with f.ex. zero point energy, because it is not commonly accepted. Those who do venture into this area is usually cut off by the scientific society.

[irak]

I don't understand how the universe can be "a shell of what it could be"? According to scientists it is an ongoing explosion moving outwards at an exponential rate. The natural order of things, ie the laws of nature, can not be by definition "un-natural". You may say this about human reality, which is an artificially contrived set of circumstances, within which, we are forced to exist. By the Laws of nature I mean gravity, entropy, etc, basic well established by science. Quantum physics is theoretical science. The laws of nature are observable, logical & unambiguous. I do not believe in so called "psychic powers" I believe people may talk to the dead, I just don't believe the dead answer them! I find no reason to believe in TK or telepathy. It may be possible to subliminally perceive facial expression or body language sub-consciously & interpret this as intuition, but this is not supernatural. With such huge amounts of "prize" money at stake, (I know James Randi offers $ one million US) to anyone who can show irrefutable proof of these abilities, I would have thought that anyone who actually had these powers would be queuing up in droves to prove it? They charge the vulnerable & gullible, for their services.

..and i like to offer a 10$mil award for anyone that can prove that psy abilities don't exist :)

..you will find what you seek
..you belive what you wan't
..i won't try to change your point of view, although it's pretty narrow
..fighting over opinions is futile, i would recomend that you keep an open mind
..and wish you good luck
..the truth is sooo out there :)

[thoth]

I don't understand how the universe can be "a shell of what it could be"? According to scientists it is an ongoing explosion moving outwards at an exponential rate. The natural order of things, ie the laws of nature, can not be by definition "un-natural". You may say this about human reality, which is an artificially contrived set of circumstances, within which, we are forced to exist. By the Laws of nature I mean gravity, entropy, etc, basic well established by science. Quantum physics is theoretical science. The laws of nature are observable, logical & unambiguous. I do not believe in so called "psychic powers" I believe people may talk to the dead, I just don't believe the dead answer them! I find no reason to believe in TK or telepathy. It may be possible to subliminally perceive facial expression or body language sub-consciously & interpret this as intuition, but this is not supernatural. With such huge amounts of "prize" money at stake, (I know James Randi offers $ one million US) to anyone who can show irrefutable proof of these abilities, I would have thought that anyone who actually had these powers would be queuing up in droves to prove it? They charge the vulnerable & gullible, for their services.



I would have to say that I don't agree with you. PK has already been proven and so has telepathy. Its being studied by the top schools in the country and has been for sometime. That is interesting about the million dollars. That is kind of dumb. I think that I do not want to engage in conversation with you. I wish you well in all you do.

[thoth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L61RptUUEqU&mode=related&search=
http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/publications.html
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/
"In a monastery in northern India, thinly clad Tibetan monks sat quietly in a room where the temperature was a chilly 40 degrees Fahrenheit. Using a yoga technique known as g Tum-mo, they entered a state of deep meditation. Other monks soaked 3-by-6-foot sheets in cold water (49 degrees) and placed them over the meditators' shoulders. For untrained people, such frigid wrappings would produce uncontrolled shivering.

If body temperatures continue to drop under these conditions, death can result. But it was not long before steam began rising from the sheets. As a result of body heat produced by the monks during meditation, the sheets dried in about an hour.

Attendants removed the sheets, then covered the meditators with a second chilled, wet wrapping. Each monk was required to dry three sheets over a period of several hours.

Why would anyone do this? Herbert Benson, who has been studying g Tum-mo for 20 years, answers that "Buddhists feel the reality we live in is not the ultimate one. There's another reality we can tap into that's unaffected by our emotions, by our everyday world. Buddhists believe this state of mind can be achieved by doing good for others and by meditation. The heat they generate during the process is just a by-product of g Tum-mo meditation."

Benson is an associate professor of medicine at the Harvard Medical School and president of the Mind/Body Medical Institute at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston. He firmly believes that studying advanced forms of meditation "can uncover capacities that will help us to better treat stress-related illnesses."

Benson developed the "relaxation response," which he describes as "a physiological state opposite to stress." It is characterized by decreases in metabolism, breathing rate, heart rate, and blood pressure. He and others have amassed evidence that it can help those suffering from illnesses caused or exacerbated by stress. Benson and colleagues use it to treat anxiety, mild and moderate depression, high blood pressure, heartbeat irregularities, excessive anger, insomnia, and even infertility. His team also uses this type of simple meditation to calm those who have been traumatized by the deaths of others, or by diagnoses of cancer or other painful, life-threatening illnesses.

"More than 60 percent of visits to physicians in the United States are due to stress-related problems, most of which are poorly treated by drugs, surgery, or other medical procedures," Benson maintains.

The Mind/Body Medical Institute is now training people to use the relaxation response to help people working at Ground Zero in New York City, where two airplanes toppled the World Trade Center Towers last Sept. 11. Facilities have been set up at nearby St. Paul's Chapel to aid people still working on clearing wreckage and bodies. Anyone else who feels stressed by those terrible events can also obtain help at the chapel. "We are training the trainers who work there," Benson says.

The relaxation response involves repeating a word, sound, phrase, or short prayer while disregarding intrusive thoughts. "If such an easy-to-master practice can bring about the remarkable changes we observe," Benson notes. "I want to investigate what advanced forms of meditation can do to help the mind control physical processes once thought to be uncontrollable."
Breathtaking results

Some Westerners practice g Tum-mo, but it often takes years to reach states like those achieved by Buddhist monks. In trying to find groups he could study, Benson met Westerners who claimed to have mastered such advanced techniques, but who were, in his words, "fraudulent."

Benson decided that he needed to locate a religious setting, where advanced mediation is traditionally practiced. His opportunity came in 1979 when the Dalai Lama, spiritual leader of Tibet, visited Harvard University. "His Holiness agreed to help me," recalls Benson. That visit was the beginning of a long friendship and several expeditions to northern India where many Tibetan monks live in exile.

During visits to remote monasteries in the 1980s, Benson and his team studied monks living in the Himalayan Mountains who could, by g Tum-mo meditation, raise the temperatures of their fingers and toes by as much as 17 degrees. It has yet to be determined how the monks are able to generate such heat. "
Although I figure you will find some way to debunk it, but only in your own mind. "

Quantum Physics is just theories, you are wrong there too bud. As a matter of fact, I will say that Newtonian physics is obsolete, along with alot of what people think to be 'laws'. They are all relative! Anyone who says pk or tk is not possible, and are saying that from a 'scientific' point of view has not paid attention to the last 100 years of scientific research. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6UTGkC73GE I don't think you know what you are saying, really 'crowhawk' is it?

[thoth]

what we call 'psychic' is really normal, and what we think is 'normal' is abnormal!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jgMzcRxxEE&mode=related&search=

[thoth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69GMr3RlpgU&mode=related&search=

[crowhawk]

..and i like to offer a 10$mil award for anyone that can prove that psy abilities don't exist :)
:)

We all know a negative cannot be proven! That's why the onus is on those who claim the existence of something to provide the proof. No-one has so far provided the proof, instead they call those who ask for it closed minded whilst at the same time attempting an ersatz superiority with a mystical "if you knew what I know"! They say "It shouldn't be used for financial gain" or words to that effect, to excuse their inability to claim the reward offered for scientific proof. Though they unfortunately don't show the same restraint when charging some poor bereaved relative for their confabulated necromancy.

[thoth]

We all know a negative cannot be proven! That's why the onus is on those who claim the existence of something to provide the proof. No-one has so far provided the proof, instead they call those who ask for it closed minded whilst at the same time attempting an ersatz superiority with a mystical "if you knew what I know"! They say "It shouldn't be used for financial gain" or words to that effect, to excuse their inability to claim the reward offered for scientific proof. Though they unfortunately don't show the same restraint when charging some poor bereaved relative for their confabulated necromancy.

How about this, fuck you and that $10 million. Okay I am joking. But seriously, I think I will trust Harvard or Princeton professors and scientists over this character you speak. First you said there were no scientific studies regarding pk/tk, which was wrong, and now that we know that's not true you want to save your ego with this $10 million thing. Why? Would it not benefit you if humans could do these things? Who cares if you are wrong or not, its not like you are under the firing squad. Its all good, its not that serious. I have been wrong many times, but you know what, it made me stronger! Being wrong ican be cyclical which if paid attention to enough, can make alot of things rights in the future.

[crowhawk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L61RptUUEqU&mode=related&search=
http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/publications.html
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/
"In a monastery in northern India, thinly clad Tibetan monks sat quietly in a room where the temperature was a chilly 40 degrees Fahrenheit. Using a yoga technique known as g Tum-mo, they entered a state of deep meditation. Other monks soaked 3-by-6-foot sheets in cold water (49 degrees) and placed them over the meditators' shoulders. For untrained people, such frigid wrappings would produce uncontrolled shivering.

If body temperatures continue to drop under these conditions, death can result. But it was not long before steam began rising from the sheets. As a result of body heat produced by the monks during meditation, the sheets dried in about an hour.

Attendants removed the sheets, then covered the meditators with a second chilled, wet wrapping. Each monk was required to dry three sheets over a period of several hours.

Why would anyone do this? Herbert Benson, who has been studying g Tum-mo for 20 years, answers that "Buddhists feel the reality we live in is not the ultimate one. There's another reality we can tap into that's unaffected by our emotions, by our everyday world. Buddhists believe this state of mind can be achieved by doing good for others and by meditation. The heat they generate during the process is just a by-product of g Tum-mo meditation."

Benson is an associate professor of medicine at the Harvard Medical School and president of the Mind/Body Medical Institute at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston. He firmly believes that studying advanced forms of meditation "can uncover capacities that will help us to better treat stress-related illnesses."

Benson developed the "relaxation response," which he describes as "a physiological state opposite to stress." It is characterized by decreases in metabolism, breathing rate, heart rate, and blood pressure. He and others have amassed evidence that it can help those suffering from illnesses caused or exacerbated by stress. Benson and colleagues use it to treat anxiety, mild and moderate depression, high blood pressure, heartbeat irregularities, excessive anger, insomnia, and even infertility. His team also uses this type of simple meditation to calm those who have been traumatized by the deaths of others, or by diagnoses of cancer or other painful, life-threatening illnesses.

"More than 60 percent of visits to physicians in the United States are due to stress-related problems, most of which are poorly treated by drugs, surgery, or other medical procedures," Benson maintains.

The Mind/Body Medical Institute is now training people to use the relaxation response to help people working at Ground Zero in New York City, where two airplanes toppled the World Trade Center Towers last Sept. 11. Facilities have been set up at nearby St. Paul's Chapel to aid people still working on clearing wreckage and bodies. Anyone else who feels stressed by those terrible events can also obtain help at the chapel. "We are training the trainers who work there," Benson says.

The relaxation response involves repeating a word, sound, phrase, or short prayer while disregarding intrusive thoughts. "If such an easy-to-master practice can bring about the remarkable changes we observe," Benson notes. "I want to investigate what advanced forms of meditation can do to help the mind control physical processes once thought to be uncontrollable."
Breathtaking results

Some Westerners practice g Tum-mo, but it often takes years to reach states like those achieved by Buddhist monks. In trying to find groups he could study, Benson met Westerners who claimed to have mastered such advanced techniques, but who were, in his words, "fraudulent."

Benson decided that he needed to locate a religious setting, where advanced mediation is traditionally practiced. His opportunity came in 1979 when the Dalai Lama, spiritual leader of Tibet, visited Harvard University. "His Holiness agreed to help me," recalls Benson. That visit was the beginning of a long friendship and several expeditions to northern India where many Tibetan monks live in exile.

During visits to remote monasteries in the 1980s, Benson and his team studied monks living in the Himalayan Mountains who could, by g Tum-mo meditation, raise the temperatures of their fingers and toes by as much as 17 degrees. It has yet to be determined how the monks are able to generate such heat. "
Although I figure you will find some way to debunk it, but only in your own mind. "

Quantum Physics is just theories, you are wrong there too bud. As a matter of fact, I will say that Newtonian physics is obsolete, along with alot of what people think to be 'laws'. They are all relative! Anyone who says pk or tk is not possible, and are saying that from a 'scientific' point of view has not paid attention to the last 100 years of scientific research. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6UTGkC73GE I don't think you know what you are saying, really 'crowhawk' is it?

Thoth is it? I know exactly what I'm saying! You may not agree with it, but don't use such a patronizing attempt at arrogance, it merely illuminates your own self perceived inadequacies!

Youtube is not a scientific forum is it? I don't disagree with the information above though the Buddhists may feel the "reality we live in is not the ultimate one" That does not make them right. They may perform remarkable feats of meditation, but that is not in the strictest sense Paranormal. (A dedicated junkie can withstand amounts of heroin that would perhaps kill ten normal people, but that doesn't make them paranormal.) They are not claiming to talk to the dead, predict the future, or the ability to move objects by mind power. Whilst I don't necessarily dismiss the possibility of pk/tk I have never seen any reliable proof of it's existence.

[guyblokeman]

With regards to the psy wheel vids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tWINnrS1ac&mode=related&search=

The guy that made them even admitted they`re fake.....

[irak]

We all know a negative cannot be proven! That's why the onus is on those who claim the existence of something to provide the proof. No-one has so far provided the proof, instead they call those who ask for it closed minded whilst at the same time attempting an ersatz superiority with a mystical "if you knew what I know"! They say "It shouldn't be used for financial gain" or words to that effect, to excuse their inability to claim the reward offered for scientific proof. Though they unfortunately don't show the same restraint when charging some poor bereaved relative for their confabulated necromancy.



ok..


At the prestigious Princeton Anomalies Research Institute (PEAR) they are convinced that a collective consciousness does exist, in fact they are monitoring it
all over the world right now while you read these words! At Princeton for some
time now, Professor Robert Jahn and his colleagues have been conducting a
series of laboratory experiments trying to prove or disprove the existence of
psychokineses (PK for short), the ability of thought to affect inanimate objects.
PK has become popular after public appearances of spoon bender Uri Geller.
At Princeton they took PK very serious and wanted to test whether or not the phenomenon exists.

They used RNG machines to do this. A RNG is a random noise generator, a device
that generates according to the uncertainty principle of quantum mechanics a
totally random noise. This noise is translated into a binary state, a 1 or 0.
Now since the noise is random we expect a 50-50-chance occurrence of both ones and zeroes produced by the RNG device. Participants in the experiments conducted at the PEAR institute were asked to mentally influence the outcome of the RNG number generations.

The participants were ordinary people and had no prior
known psychic abilities whatsoever. However at the PEAR institute it was proven
time and again, that mental abilities of ‘mind over matter’ exist since the 50-50 change RNG outcomes could be substantially altered.

They conducted tests for more than a decade, tested hundreds of subjects in
thousands of trials when they finally concluded that PK was real. They even
concluded that PK abilities are common to everyone to some extent. Their
subjects did not have any prior known paranormal abilities. At Princeton they
have become so convinced that PK is real that they are now searching for a
theoretical explanation. Dr. Jahn’s quote from the Sunday Telegraph 16th
November 1997:

"We don't see much point in continuing the collection of yet more data," he said.
"We're setting up experiments to get a better comprehension of these
phenomena."

If you’re interested and want to test your psychic abilities on-line on the Internet yourself here’s the Internet address:

www.parapsych.org/online_psi_experiments.html

At some odd 30 universities all over the world RNG devices have been installed and are connected over the Internet. The next thing PEAR wanted to test with the RNG devices was whether a human collective consciousness exists. The project was called the ‘Global Consciousness Project’ and the RNG machines were used to send their results over the Internet to a central computer at Princeton.

This research proved that the RNG devices could register shocking global events that moved the masses collectively.
A few of these events are the funeral of Princess Diana and more recently the 911 attacks in New York.


All of these events showed measurable and significant deviations from the
expected 50-50-chance distribution. In case of the 911 attacks on the twin
towers, the RNG devices even registered deviations before the actual attack!

..tuche, just because something isn't in the mainstream it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist
..is this scientific enough for you? is this enough proof that anyone can affect reality with only their thought? what more do you want? ..geez just google it, there are THOUSANDS OF SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENTS ON THE NET!
here you obviously have to be drawn everything:
http://www.google.hr/search?q=scientific+evidence+of+psychic+abilities&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
now buzz off and bug some narrow minded people!

..i'm sorry for being rough, it's not you it's just ignorance and closed minds that i can't stand.

thank you for your time!

[irak]

and just my definition of NARROW MIND:
to take a position on some subject without any research and dismiss all opposing
evidence just because it doesn't fit into your picture of the world
..the religion has done that thousands of years, at least they can't burn anybody now, can they? :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=482560

[irak]

Dr. William Tiller is a professor emeritus of Stanford University and cofounder of
the Institute of Noetic Sciences and the Academy of Parapsychology and
Medicine.
For the majority of his career he had been a professor in the department of
‘Materials Science and Engineering’ at Stanford University and his many subjects
were metallurgy, crystal growths, semiconductor materials etc. However in the
sixties he started out a whole new career in a subject that had always interested
him, the study of the paranormal and unexplained areas of human consciousness.
His research was aimed at bridging the gap between science and spirituality.
Therefore he adopted strict scientific protocols in his research such that he could
seriously attract the attention of other scholars.
He became interested in studying subtle energies, energies such as Reiki energy
used in human healing by spiritually inclined people that can currently not be
explained by our scientific understanding.
Dr. Tiller developed an ultra-sensitive kind of Geiger counter device to measure
the subtle energies emitted by the hands of the Reiki masters and demonstreted the existence of an energy field that is not in the electromagnetic spectrum.

This experiment was a positive stimulus for the Reiki community, they now had a scientific confirmation that the Reiki energy fields were real and that they could be measured. In his research, professor Tiller noticed that the healing intention sent to the hands by the Reiki practitioners had a crucial effect on the energy output measured.



From these experiments he concluded that the human
intentions via our thoughts and feelings have a measurable effect on physical
reality.

He also tested Qi Gong Masters and found that their hands had a healing
magnetism equivalent of a 20,000 gauss magnet. Their palms emitted a beam of
infrared radiation (1 to 4.5 microns in wavelength) that had healing benefits.
Tiller conducted a series of experiments to study the possible effect of human
intention using strict scientific protocols. He built a dedicated device called an
Intention Imprinted Electrical Device (IIED) that radiated a very weak
electromagnetic energy of less than a millionth of a watt. He asked four trained
humans who went into a deep state of meditation to imprint the intention of the upcoming experiment onto the IIED.

Next the double-blind experiment itself was conducted with two identical IIED
devices, one was imprinted via the meditative process and the other was left
untouched. The IIED devices that were imprinted were placed in separate rooms
in front of the subjects.
The following changes (statistical random change p < 0,001) were observed:

- The acidity (PH) of water could be intentionally raised or lowered by
one PH unit.
- The activity of a human liver enzyme could be increased by 15 to 30 %
- The larval growth rate of a fly could be increased by 25 %.
The results measured were highly significant, the possibility of occurrence by
chance were less than one in 1000. With these experiments William Tiller had
proved once and for all that our human intentions have a real measurable effect on physical reality.




..like i sad in my first post:

..you will find what you seek
..you belive what you wan't
..i won't try to change your point of view, (i'll just show you some things)
..fighting over opinions is futile, fighting over FACTS even more
..and wish you good luck
..the truth is sooo out there


peace and love!

[tothestars]

I was wondering if you need any sort of protection, I’m not even sure what the dangers could be but I don’t want to go into this blind. I have an interest in astral travelling I have a book on this so I’m going to have a read though that and see where that gets me.

I’d like to learn to mediate but I’m not quite sure what I should be doing while I mediate in order to gain whatever it is I have to gain from it even if it is just to help me relax. Basically I’m interested in anything I could use to improve my health, and progress in spiritual development. I have a few health problems which are holding me back at the moment so I’d like to get shut of them first and then continue with the development and hopefully I’ll be able to improve my life, and with any luck improve other peoples lives for the greater good. so some tips would be a great help!


_underscore_ are you referring to yourself? What’s with the third person thing?

order some orgonite from Sensei. Or if u cant afford i can send u some for free. It shud help u progress in spiritual developement and improve health (neutralizing emf pollution etc(which is the worst form for pollution nowadays, except nuclear waste of course)).

[thoth]

Thoth is it? I know exactly what I'm saying! You may not agree with it, but don't use such a patronizing attempt at arrogance, it merely illuminates your own self perceived inadequacies!

Youtube is not a scientific forum is it? I don't disagree with the information above though the Buddhists may feel the "reality we live in is not the ultimate one" That does not make them right. They may perform remarkable feats of meditation, but that is not in the strictest sense Paranormal. (A dedicated junkie can withstand amounts of heroin that would perhaps kill ten normal people, but that doesn't make them paranormal.) They are not claiming to talk to the dead, predict the future, or the ability to move objects by mind power. Whilst I don't necessarily dismiss the possibility of pk/tk I have never seen any reliable proof of it's existence.

I just showed you scientific proof, from scientists, and my friend above did a pretty good job as well, so now what?

[thoth]

Dr. William Tiller is a professor emeritus of Stanford University and cofounder of
the Institute of Noetic Sciences and the Academy of Parapsychology and
Medicine.
For the majority of his career he had been a professor in the department of
‘Materials Science and Engineering’ at Stanford University and his many subjects
were metallurgy, crystal growths, semiconductor materials etc. However in the
sixties he started out a whole new career in a subject that had always interested
him, the study of the paranormal and unexplained areas of human consciousness.
His research was aimed at bridging the gap between science and spirituality.
Therefore he adopted strict scientific protocols in his research such that he could
seriously attract the attention of other scholars.
He became interested in studying subtle energies, energies such as Reiki energy
used in human healing by spiritually inclined people that can currently not be
explained by our scientific understanding.
Dr. Tiller developed an ultra-sensitive kind of Geiger counter device to measure
the subtle energies emitted by the hands of the Reiki masters and demonstreted the existence of an energy field that is not in the electromagnetic spectrum.

This experiment was a positive stimulus for the Reiki community, they now had a scientific confirmation that the Reiki energy fields were real and that they could be measured. In his research, professor Tiller noticed that the healing intention sent to the hands by the Reiki practitioners had a crucial effect on the energy output measured.



From these experiments he concluded that the human
intentions via our thoughts and feelings have a measurable effect on physical
reality.

He also tested Qi Gong Masters and found that their hands had a healing
magnetism equivalent of a 20,000 gauss magnet. Their palms emitted a beam of
infrared radiation (1 to 4.5 microns in wavelength) that had healing benefits.
Tiller conducted a series of experiments to study the possible effect of human
intention using strict scientific protocols. He built a dedicated device called an
Intention Imprinted Electrical Device (IIED) that radiated a very weak
electromagnetic energy of less than a millionth of a watt. He asked four trained
humans who went into a deep state of meditation to imprint the intention of the upcoming experiment onto the IIED.

Next the double-blind experiment itself was conducted with two identical IIED
devices, one was imprinted via the meditative process and the other was left
untouched. The IIED devices that were imprinted were placed in separate rooms
in front of the subjects.
The following changes (statistical random change p < 0,001) were observed:

- The acidity (PH) of water could be intentionally raised or lowered by
one PH unit.
- The activity of a human liver enzyme could be increased by 15 to 30 %
- The larval growth rate of a fly could be increased by 25 %.
The results measured were highly significant, the possibility of occurrence by
chance were less than one in 1000. With these experiments William Tiller had
proved once and for all that our human intentions have a real measurable effect on physical reality.




..like i sad in my first post:

..you will find what you seek
..you belive what you wan't
..i won't try to change your point of view, (i'll just show you some things)
..fighting over opinions is futile, fighting over FACTS even more
..and wish you good luck
..the truth is sooo out there


peace and love!


William Tiller is the shit!

[irak]

William Tiller is the shit!

:D:D:D:D:D ok i belive you have your reasons for calling him shit, i personally don't know the man's work, this was just an example of thoughts influencing reality from 2 different research:)

and for those hardliners - if you have any more questions, how bout contacting some of these
Psi Research Facilities, Societies, Associations and Institutes, I'm sure they can answer your questions far more scientific than us :)

http://www.parapsych.org/psi_research_laboratories.html

[thoth]

:D:D:D:D:D ok i belive you have your reasons for calling him shit, i personally don't know the man's work, this was just an example of thoughts influencing reality from 2 different research:)

and for those hardliners - if you have any more questions, how bout contacting some of these
Psi Research Facilities, Societies, Associations and Institutes, I'm sure they can answer your questions far more scientific than us :)

http://www.parapsych.org/psi_research_laboratories.html

I have read a bunch of his stuff. He is so downplayed!

[deviadah]

As I am deeply into Alchemy, the only true ART form, I can honestly say that all you need to do is awaken your pineal gland.

I have written a little about this gland HERE (http://alternative-history.blogspot.com/2007/07/epiphysis-cerebri.html)

When the unison of the pineal and pituitary glands is achieved, the negative and positive forces connect, and a magnetic field is created. When this is strong enough it generates a light in the head and, as Jesus said: “thy whole body shall be full of light.”

This state will make astral travel, and/or astral projection, possible and like it states in the Emerald Tablet: “it [astral travel] overcomes all subtle things, and penetrates every solid thing.”

[jim fear]

I am sceptical about psychic powers but, I have witnessed psychic ability from two friends of mine. They are identical twins, what they did was the had someone write down a number and one looked at the number, and then she looked at her sister and her sister read out the numbers it was very strange to watch. Also I saw a documentary where acupunctor was proven to work, also my old guitar teacher (Also a very sceptical individual) refers pupils who have had aches and pains to a therapist who realines our bodies energies to repair the damage and it cures them! I was amazed to hear this guy saying about it he’s the type of guy to shoot this stuff down the second you mention it. I no the last two arent really phychic powers but still are evidance of human powers.

I think I have become sceptical because all these things are pretty amazing, and they are not openly acceptable in today’s society (to the general public at least) I’ve seen proof of these abilities but its so heavy ridiculed that I have myself questioned it just because I'm expected to do so,and also I think that its also because I don’t want to become a victim nor do I want to be considered as gullible by just believing things purely on blind faith. I dont claim to have any phychic abilitys myself but hopefully i will one day.

[thoth]

As I am deeply into Alchemy, the only true ART form, I can honestly say that all you need to do is awaken your pineal gland.

HERE (http://alternative-history.blogspot.com/2007/07/epiphysis-cerebri.html)



Yes! I consider myself an Alchemist/Pagan (not really, but those are the only words that are close, I try not to label myself at all!). Through meditation I have too opened my pineal gland. It is great, you can control your emotional and mental energy more and use that energy to mainfest things more!I can sense higher frequency energy, and can easily feel others energy coming from them! Thanks for sharing that, check out my website: http://www.thoth.spiritual-nature.com/

[kblood]

Alchemist/pagan? Anyone seen Full Metal Alchemist? A japanese manga/anime serie that have been dubbed to english as well. Quite an interesting watch when you know about the manifistations of energy.

Since I read about the principles of paganism, I have considered myself pagan. I am not so sure anymore, but I still believe it does not matter much what is actually believed. I do belief that our beliefs are probably all true, depending on how we believe it, and what we do with this belief. Seems to me that it is possible to simply make whatever you believe real to some extend. It is not without reason that most religions are based on love more or less though. Seems one of the truths about it all is love. The law of attraction and our creativity seems a major influence in this. When we are not creative, we seem more locked into this world, but being creative we have to take what we see and make something new out of it. The limits for what we can make with our creativity seems bound alot by our beliefs though.

As for the "Full Metal Alchemist" series it has a idea through most the serie about when making something you need to exchange it with something else of equal value. This can be understood in many ways, and what I like about this serie is that even this rule is broken. Broken by love apparantly ;)

After reading a book about Out of Body Travel, written by someone whos life I can relate to alot, I have found that trying to do OBE can "unlock" other parts of the mind as well. It is how I started out as well, since I basicly did OBEs as a child, maybe 5-6 years old, and had no idea what it was about. I thought it was just a different kind of dreaming so I never payed much attention to it, I just enjoyed it when I had the chance. Especially lucid dreaming. OBEs is something that can happen when you are in a state of "in between" being asleep or awake. When tired and near falling asleep, but having to stay awake, your mind might play tricks on you. That is because this state opens the mind to more than just this plane of existance. We are more likely to be able to be psychic, read minds without knowing it, be contacted by others by telepathy maybe and other things maybe. This probably happens for everyone, but unconciously. Therefore the between being sleep and awake, you might become concious about these things. I have gone days without sleep and it wasnt on purpose I might add.

So if you want to try out these kinds of things, I guess OBE exercises might be a good way to start if you want to open your mind to psychic abilities.