RAW Diets

[indian_star]

Anyone eat a RAW diet?

Have been looking into the whole Raw, Whole Food way of eating for a week or 3 now, and am looking at getting a decent book to let me read and learn more about it ;)

So, anyone recommend a good RAW book to read please fire away :) .......in the meantime i will go checkout whats on Amazon :)

Cheers team :)

[relax]

Hey Indian I eat about 80% raw, my 'main' meals are always raw (salads), you dont really need any books to transition to this theres lots of info on the web and communities also, beware of ones integrating meat or other animal products like milk, cheese etc, although eggs probably arnt so bad very infrequently its best to go vegan-raw if you're going to eat for the best of your body-mind-spirit.

[indian_star]

Hey Indian I eat about 80% raw, my 'main' meals are always raw (salads), you dont really need any books to transition to this theres lots of info on the web and communities also, beware of ones integrating meat or other animal products like milk, cheese etc, although eggs probably arnt so bad very infrequently its best to go vegan-raw if you're going to eat for the best of your body-mind-spirit.

Cheers matey - i really need to sort out my diet - i work for myself (dog walker) so eat for convenience in the van, basically chocolate, fizzy pop, fried sandwiches.....i think you get the message :eek:

Just started drinking 2 litres of water per day and adding 1/2 teaspoon of himalayan salt into 2 litres, and gonna try the herbal teas instead of coffee etc, just made a batch of essiac tea so will give that a try.....

My concern is that eating salad type foods will leave me hungry and find myself binging on biscuits or other crap......i guess it's a mind battle :o

[loopy2222]

Cheers matey - i really need to sort out my diet - i work for myself (dog walker) so eat for convenience in the van, basically chocolate, fizzy pop, fried sandwiches.....i think you get the message :eek:

Just started drinking 2 litres of water per day and adding 1/2 teaspoon of himalayan salt into 2 litres, and gonna try the herbal teas instead of coffee etc, just made a batch of essiac tea so will give that a try.....

My concern is that eating salad type foods will leave me hungry and find myself binging on biscuits or other crap......i guess it's a mind battle :o

I have been feeling exactly the same. I really need to improve my dreadful diet but its the hunger thing that worries me too. I'm likely to raid the fridge and eat crap again if I'm hungry!!

[indian_star]

I have been feeling exactly the same. I really need to improve my dreadful diet but its the hunger thing that worries me too. I'm likely to raid the fridge and eat crap again if I'm hungry!!

I'm hoping it will just take a little time to adjust, as many people's bod's are dehydrated and they dont realise it, by taking in the water everyday, over a peroid of time as the bosy is re-hydrated and is kept that way if i had read rightly then the carvings for sugar aswell as the hunger feeling does subside. I know i am de-hydrated most of the time, so this change i hope will bring me round a bit, i guess time will tell :)

[loopy2222]

I started trying to drink 2 litres of water a day but the problem was I had to keep going to the loo every half hour or so, it was a nightmare!! You are right though Indian star most of us are probably dehydrated. Sometimes I forget to have a drink and then wonder why my throat is dry!!

[ramaytush]

i've been trying to go raw for a while now. this morning i had a big bowl of granola with almond milk and goji berries. it kept me full all day and was very tasty! i was working hard all day. its hard to stick to though..

all of your concerns about raiding the fridge and wanting some biscuits are very valid. if you go 100% raw, you're probably going to miss warm hearty food. get into it though!! good luck!

[tenzingnorgay]

Hey Indian I eat about 80% raw, my 'main' meals are always raw (salads), you dont really need any books to transition to this theres lots of info on the web and communities also, beware of ones integrating meat or other animal products like milk, cheese etc, although eggs probably arnt so bad very infrequently its best to go vegan-raw if you're going to eat for the best of your body-mind-spirit.

The worst diet in the world is raw vegan. Nothing else ie even close.

If you're going to go raw, make sure you eat plenty of meat, or eggs, or milk and cheese. If you don't, you will have numerous nutritional deficiencies including a B12 deficiency which will sap your strength and shrink your brain.

[tenzingnorgay]

i've been trying to go raw for a while now. this morning i had a big bowl of granola with almond milk and goji berries. it kept me full all day and was very tasty! i was working hard all day. its hard to stick to though..

all of your concerns about raiding the fridge and wanting some biscuits are very valid. if you go 100% raw, you're probably going to miss warm hearty food. get into it though!! good luck!

All raw vegans have cravings because they are all starving their bodies of numerous nutrients.

[tenzingnorgay]

I have been feeling exactly the same. I really need to improve my dreadful diet but its the hunger thing that worries me too. I'm likely to raid the fridge and eat crap again if I'm hungry!!

If you want to get rid of cravings, eat a good well balanced diet including meat, eggs, cheese and butter. Your body needs fat and protein.

[tenzingnorgay]

Cheers matey - i really need to sort out my diet - i work for myself (dog walker) so eat for convenience in the van, basically chocolate, fizzy pop, fried sandwiches.....i think you get the message :eek:

Just started drinking 2 litres of water per day and adding 1/2 teaspoon of himalayan salt into 2 litres, and gonna try the herbal teas instead of coffee etc, just made a batch of essiac tea so will give that a try.....

My concern is that eating salad type foods will leave me hungry and find myself binging on biscuits or other crap......i guess it's a mind battle :o

It's not a mind battle. If you eat only salads and veggies, you will be starving your body and it will have tremendous cravings.

[eternal_spirit]

The worst diet in the world is raw vegan. Nothing else ie even close.

If you're going to go raw, make sure you eat plenty of meat, or eggs, or milk and cheese. If you don't, you will have numerous nutritional deficiencies including a B12 deficiency which will sap your strength and shrink your brain.
There is a conspiracy as why vegan/veggie diets are promoted - It's to make the masses physically and mentally weak, making them easier for the Elite to rule over. Look at the Hindu religion as a tried and tested example.

But the other side of the coin (conspiracy) meat etc causes all-sorts of illnesses too!
I got so confused trying to figure out which is better vegan/veggie/omnivorous diet!

And have tried all three on and off for the past 20 years and still cannot decide which is the healthiest!
I am now back on the omnivore diet.

Veganism can sometimes cause shooting like and aching pains in various parts of the body (can't remember the medical term) and I think that's what may have happened to me.

Relax there's much reading and opinion gathering to be done. Apart from that you have to be your own guinea pig (experiment with different diets)

[tenzingnorgay]

There is a conspiracy as why vegan/veggie diets are promoted - It's to make the masses physically and mentally weak, making them easier for the Elite to rule over. Look at the Hindu religion as a tried and tested example.

But the other side of the coin (conspiracy) meat etc causes all-sorts of illnesses too!
I got so confused trying to figure out which is better vegan/veggie/omnivorous diet!

And have tried all three on and off for the past 20 years and still cannot decide which is the healthiest!
I am now back on the omnivore diet.

Veganism can sometimes cause shooting like and aching pains in various parts of the body (can't remember the medical term) and I think that's what may have happened to me.

Relax there's much reading and opinion gathering to be done. Apart from that you have to be your own guinea pig (experiment with different diets)

Properly fed meat does not cause any illnesses.Greenland eskimos survived on meat alone and were one of the healthiest people on earth. Americans in the early 20th century ate large quantities of emat wih no health problems from the meat. Today's meat though can be quite unhealthy.

But if you want someone to be placid and stupid, the first step is to turn them into a vegan.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/Eating_veggies_shrinks_the_brain/articleshow/3480629.cms

[indian_star]

I thought it was all about giving the body what it needs, are we saying this is only possible by eating a bit of everythintg, ie. meats, veggies, diary etc etc - i was under the impression the body can get what it needs from raw diets and such?

[ar20]

There is a conspiracy as why vegan/veggie diets are promoted - It's to make the masses physically and mentally weak, making them easier for the Elite to rule over. Look at the Hindu religion as a tried and tested example.

But the other side of the coin (conspiracy) meat etc causes all-sorts of illnesses too!
I got so confused trying to figure out which is better vegan/veggie/omnivorous diet!

And have tried all three on and off for the past 20 years and still cannot decide which is the healthiest!
I am now back on the omnivore diet.

Veganism can sometimes cause shooting like and aching pains in various parts of the body (can't remember the medical term) and I think that's what may have happened to me.

Relax there's much reading and opinion gathering to be done. Apart from that you have to be your own guinea pig (experiment with different diets)

Oh god.. where do I start.

No, there is no conspiracy about vegan/vegetarianism. I've been a vegetarian/vegan for the last 8 months, I don't suffer any deficiancies, I eat more fruits and veg than I did as a meat eater, I've lost weight, and I feel better and more in tune.

Einstein, Pythagoras, Da Vinci, Ghandi, Christian Bale (physique), Brad Pitt (physique)...

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:7cnnUhtLQ5VTRM:http://thefilmbloggen.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/christian_bale_94.jpg

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:_3-nhssMVUjHvM:http://www.gossipcheck.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bradpitt01.jpg

Using these as examples to prove as a vegetarian you don't end up looking like a malnourished Michael Stipe wannabe.

I don't believe for a second, in natural circumstances without tools that me and you could take down a cow, cut it up, cook it and eat it. Same for pigs, same for Chickens to an extent... even Rocky couldn't catch one.

However, I'm back and fourth with Fish as I think we should probably eat fish... due to the state of the planet but, you may as well give it a miss.

There is no conspiracy that vegetarians or people who don't eat meat are weak and easily manipulated, quite the opposite -- a seconds research into famous vegetarians shows most of our renowned free-thinking geniuses didn't eat meat.

If someone here can tell me logically how a dead animal corpse provides nutrition once cooked then I'll tip my hat. Until then, eat your greens and AVOID YOUR MILK.

Dairys another logic faux pas on humanity. The only species, THE ONLY SPECIES consuming the milk of another species used to feed their young.

Avoid butter, milk, cheese, yoghurt, ice cream... more green veg, more fruit, organic if possible, avoid meats, maybe include fish sparingly, plenty of water, exercise... you'll be ready to take the world on.

http://www.notmilk.com
http://www.godairyfree.org/The-Dairy-Free-Challenge.html

http://www.shazzie.com/

Woody Harrelson follows a raw food diet:

EXCLUSIVE-Woody Harrelson Interview for "Raw for 30 Days" - YouTube

Ignore all the nutritional deficiency nonsense. I believe that's the conspiracy to get you all to not take the leap back to a natural diet. Vegetarians get more fruit and veg than most meat eaters do, if anything those on a junk diet aren't geting fuck all nutrients.

Unfortunately there's a plethora of information out there to confuse you. Soy is good, soy is bad -- soy turns you feminine. Examine the sources this crap is coming from. Ask yourself what Dr. Mercola's agenda is half the time, he's a useful source but he's not that credible to begin with.

Search out for a vegetarian called John Robbins, he has a sober view of it all.

No, being vegetarian doesn't shrink your brain. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/Eating_veggies_shrinks_the_brain/articleshow/3480629.cms Think of the agenda as a whole. Suppose it's the opposite. Suppose being a vegetarian/vegan is smarter... they don't want that. Fears an excellent weapon, isn't it? You'll see that and go "Oh god I don't want my brain to shrink! I better go out and have a Double Cheeseburger + Bacon!, because THAT makes it BIGGER".

Give me a break, would you? They treat you like you're the mental age of 5. ;)

Those of you with the "Infinite love is the only truth vibe" might want to give your tastebuds a rest and have a look at what produces our animal food and how we treat other species on this planet, because I believe the situation we're in now is karmaic in proportion to how we regard other living things.

If this doesn't disgust you or shake you up then you're far from being "enlightened" or whatever you consider yourself.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6361872964130308142

John Robbins site:
http://www.foodrevolution.org/

Be sure to check his stuff on youtube, and good luck with the change!

[indian_star]

How many chimps and gorilla's eat meat.......i guess you aint going to argue with one ;) .......but look at their immense physique, strength etc ok i know they are animals and we human, but my point is that look at their diets and look how they thrive :)

[ades]

How many chimps and gorilla's eat meat.......i guess you aint going to argue with one ;) .......but look at their immense physique, strength etc ok i know they are animals and we human, but my point is that look at their diets and look how they thrive :)

Chimps do eat meat.. But an overwhelming part of their diet is other things than meat..

[tenzingnorgay]

I thought it was all about giving the body what it needs, are we saying this is only possible by eating a bit of everythintg, ie. meats, veggies, diary etc etc - i was under the impression the body can get what it needs from raw diets and such?

Your body can get what it needs if you include raw meat. The problem is that most who choose to eat a raw diet, choose not to eat meat.

[tenzingnorgay]

How many chimps and gorilla's eat meat.......i guess you aint going to argue with one ;) .......but look at their immense physique, strength etc ok i know they are animals and we human, but my point is that look at their diets and look how they thrive :)

You aren't a chimp. You aren't a gorilla. They thrive on diets that are good for them. Lions eat only meat and thrive. How is that relevant to humans? It isn't.

[tenzingnorgay]

Oh god.. where do I start.

No, there is no conspiracy about vegan/vegetarianism. I've been a vegetarian/vegan for the last 8 months, I don't suffer any deficiancies, I eat more fruits and veg than I did as a meat eater, I've lost weight, and I feel better and more in tune.

Einstein, Pythagoras, Da Vinci, Ghandi, Christian Bale (physique), Brad Pitt (physique)...

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:7cnnUhtLQ5VTRM:http://thefilmbloggen.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/christian_bale_94.jpg

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:_3-nhssMVUjHvM:http://www.gossipcheck.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bradpitt01.jpg

Using these as examples to prove as a vegetarian you don't end up looking like a malnourished Michael Stipe wannabe.

I don't believe for a second, in natural circumstances without tools that me and you could take down a cow, cut it up, cook it and eat it. Same for pigs, same for Chickens to an extent... even Rocky couldn't catch one.

However, I'm back and fourth with Fish as I think we should probably eat fish... due to the state of the planet but, you may as well give it a miss.

There is no conspiracy that vegetarians or people who don't eat meat are weak and easily manipulated, quite the opposite -- a seconds research into famous vegetarians shows most of our renowned free-thinking geniuses didn't eat meat.

If someone here can tell me logically how a dead animal corpse provides nutrition once cooked then I'll tip my hat. Until then, eat your greens and AVOID YOUR MILK.

Dairys another logic faux pas on humanity. The only species, THE ONLY SPECIES consuming the milk of another species used to feed their young.

Avoid butter, milk, cheese, yoghurt, ice cream... more green veg, more fruit, organic if possible, avoid meats, maybe include fish sparingly, plenty of water, exercise... you'll be ready to take the world on.

http://www.notmilk.com
http://www.godairyfree.org/The-Dairy-Free-Challenge.html

http://www.shazzie.com/

Woody Harrelson follows a raw food diet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QAA3S3zK9I

Ignore all the nutritional deficiency nonsense. I believe that's the conspiracy to get you all to not take the leap back to a natural diet. Vegetarians get more fruit and veg than most meat eaters do, if anything those on a junk diet aren't geting fuck all nutrients.

Unfortunately there's a plethora of information out there to confuse you. Soy is good, soy is bad -- soy turns you feminine. Examine the sources this crap is coming from. Ask yourself what Dr. Mercola's agenda is half the time, he's a useful source but he's not that credible to begin with.

Search out for a vegetarian called John Robbins, he has a sober view of it all.

No, being vegetarian doesn't shrink your brain. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/Eating_veggies_shrinks_the_brain/articleshow/3480629.cms Think of the agenda as a whole. Suppose it's the opposite. Suppose being a vegetarian/vegan is smarter... they don't want that. Fears an excellent weapon, isn't it? You'll see that and go "Oh god I don't want my brain to shrink! I better go out and have a Double Cheeseburger + Bacon!, because THAT makes it BIGGER".

Give me a break, would you? They treat you like you're the mental age of 5. ;)

Those of you with the "Infinite love is the only truth vibe" might want to give your tastebuds a rest and have a look at what produces our animal food and how we treat other species on this planet, because I believe the situation we're in now is karmaic in proportion to how we regard other living things.

If this doesn't disgust you or shake you up then you're far from being "enlightened" or whatever you consider yourself.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6361872964130308142

John Robbins site:
http://www.foodrevolution.org/

Be sure to check his stuff on youtube, and good luck with the change!

A natural diet includes lots of meat. Quality vitamin B12 comes only from meat. Humans evolved eating meat. If you want to try to fight evolution, go ahead and try it. Youir body will teach you a lesson sooner or later. Your body will store B12 for a while. After that your brain starts shrinking. Then the lysine deficiency sets in and your thinking becomes even more muddled, much like your post above.

Most vegetarians do lose weight. That's what happens when you fail to get adequate nutrition. It's not something to be proud of. Let us know what food cravings you develop because ALL vegetarians get them.

[tenzingnorgay]

Saying that most people could not take down a cow is meaningless. Most people could not grow wheat, an ear of corn or much of anything else. Our ancestors, who were much stronger and smarter than many of us, ate mammoths. So if you are having trouble killing and eating a cow, evolution is trying to tell you something.

[ramaytush]

you can get all your nutrients from plant foods. hemp seeds have all essential amino acids. b12 is found in bananas and walnuts. you can still include meats in a dominantly raw diet. technically only 75% of the foods have to be raw/ living. i'm sure some sushi here and there or some carpaccio would be beneficial. hell even have a raw egg once a week.

[chris]

Despite what others are saying here...A raw vegan diet can be plentiful and very healthy. The main problem people have while eating a raw vegan diet is that they don't consume enough calories. This is why people yoyo diet, they don't eat enough and then they super compensate when they finally break it. If you eat plenty of calories, you will not be hungry.

I eat an even more extreme raw diet which is the 80/10/10 diet which means I eat a low fat raw vegan diet because a lot of raw vegans consume a great deal of fat. Even though people say you'll waste away, I have put on 10lbs yet it's probably more that because on this diet, you don't retain water, so i've probably put on more than a stone. Even though my bodyfat has most likely gone down.

Regarding B12, on the 80/10/10 diet this is often not needed. Many people who've been eating 80/10/10 for up to 30 years have been tested for B12 deficiencies and have found they have plenty of B12 stocks. This is probably because B12 is not an animal product but a bacterial by-product converted in the gut. No animal on earth makes B12, it's all from bacteria. Vitamin B12 is very easy to replenish and supplentation can be used if needed. Testing is also easy for it.

A person is completely capable of living a very nourishing life on a low-fat-raw-vegan diet if they are intelligent and make sure they get enough calories and minerals which is what people should be making sure of on any diet.

My skin used to be my worst asset, now it's probably my best (because most peoples skin is horrible), I can sleep like an absolute log which before I was almost an insomiac and the biggest reason why I eat a 80/10/10 is because I meditate and practice a lot of religious ceremonies. The 811 diet is the easiest diet on your digestive system which is especially important to treat well if you want to meditate which is why a lot of religious people fast. The 811 diet is closest diet to fasting where you remineralise and nourish yourself at the same time.

[mtex]

I don't know where you are, but I just want to say that it might be helpful to take a 'Raw Cooking' workshop first to learn how to properly prepare the dishes. I don't know how familiar you are with 'special diets' but, like for example the Macrobiotic diet, Raw Cooking sometimes involves unusual ingredients, like raw nori (I'm assuming you know sushi?) or raw cacao nibs.

Also, at the workshop you can decide whether you really like the food (NEVER adopt a diet if you don't like the food!), whether it's full-filling for you, and whether you can afford to cook this way, considering time and money. If you go all the way into Raw you might have to buy a dehydrator and a juicer, and a sprouter, and a water generator/filter; can you afford to spend such money? Can you afford to grow you own "crisis garden/eat the backyard garden"? (I had one last summer, with a decent yield, but I wouldn't recommend it to everyone simply because they have a garden).

Also, look at the Raw foods you are already eating (or not). Most people enjoy a piece of fruit every now and then, but do you enjoy salads, or raw vegetables? Or do you eat them just because you feel you have to? Do you enjoy fruit smoothies? Would you like to try a vegetable smoothie (something other than tomato juice)? Some of the easiest to prepare Raw Foods for newbies are so-called liquid meals. Would you be willing to replace an actual meal with a liquid meal, just to see how your body responds to it?

One of my personal favourite Raw Food chefs is Dorit, or Dorit Dyke or Dorit Dykeszka. She has published a beautiful Raw Cooking book. You can have a look over here:

Dorit's book Celebrating our Raw Nature
http://www.serenityspaces.org/rawnature.asp

Dorit's book Recipes for Life
http://www.serenityspaces.org/resources.asp

You can have a look at a commercial Raw Food menu (to get a sense of the diversity) here:
http://www.serenityspaces.org/rawmenu.asp

Also, go to Youtube and do search for videos using the terms "Dorit, Raw".

I am certainly not 100% raw, but I have found that the Raw kitchen has enriched my cooking and palate, and, yes it does make me feel better than eating meat dishes which leave me filling heavy and bloated (but I didn’t do a lot of meat before anyway). IMO it's easier to be Raw in the summer than in the winter, but every single Raw Cooking podcast interview I've downloaded says:

"You don't have to be 100% Raw. Even if you try Raw, and all you do in the end is add ONE salad, and ONE fresh juice to your otherwise SAD (Standard American Diet), that's an improvement."

Maria Technosux
anti-fascist blogger

[mtex]

Oh, and one more thing: say you're in the middle of trying a Raw diet, and suddenly you feel you want to eat a cookie, do it! Just make sure you made that cookie yourself!

My advice to people generally is: If you want to eat hamburgers, or potato chips, or ice-cream, or whatever comfort-food, go for it, but make them yourself. Anything you've cooked yourself is probably better than what you buy ready-made. Just the lack of preservatives, MSG-type artificial flavours and artificial colouring is already a win over what's in the stores.

Ideally people would have to slaughter their own animals as part of making their own hamburgers, yes. Think people would be feeding their own animals GM, roadkill and hormone garbage if they knew they'd soon be eating that same animal full of GM, hormones and roadkill? Hell, they are probably better off scraping the roadkill off the road and eating it themselves instead of eating what passes for meat in the supermarket these days. The NWO know this, so DIY farm animals are banned, and people get arrested over things like raw milk or raw eggs.

By all means eat cookies if you feel like it, just make them yourself so that you know what goes into them. If your cookies are full of aspartame, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Maria Technosux
anti-fascist blogger

[relax]

Oh god.. where do I start.

No, there is no conspiracy about vegan/vegetarianism. I've been a vegetarian/vegan for the last 8 months, I don't suffer any deficiancies, I eat more fruits and veg than I did as a meat eater, I've lost weight, and I feel better and more in tune.

Einstein, Pythagoras, Da Vinci, Ghandi, Christian Bale (physique), Brad Pitt (physique)...

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:7cnnUhtLQ5VTRM:http://thefilmbloggen.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/christian_bale_94.jpg

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:_3-nhssMVUjHvM:http://www.gossipcheck.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bradpitt01.jpg

Using these as examples to prove as a vegetarian you don't end up looking like a malnourished Michael Stipe wannabe.

I don't believe for a second, in natural circumstances without tools that me and you could take down a cow, cut it up, cook it and eat it. Same for pigs, same for Chickens to an extent... even Rocky couldn't catch one.

However, I'm back and fourth with Fish as I think we should probably eat fish... due to the state of the planet but, you may as well give it a miss.

There is no conspiracy that vegetarians or people who don't eat meat are weak and easily manipulated, quite the opposite -- a seconds research into famous vegetarians shows most of our renowned free-thinking geniuses didn't eat meat.

If someone here can tell me logically how a dead animal corpse provides nutrition once cooked then I'll tip my hat. Until then, eat your greens and AVOID YOUR MILK.

Dairys another logic faux pas on humanity. The only species, THE ONLY SPECIES consuming the milk of another species used to feed their young.

Avoid butter, milk, cheese, yoghurt, ice cream... more green veg, more fruit, organic if possible, avoid meats, maybe include fish sparingly, plenty of water, exercise... you'll be ready to take the world on.

http://www.notmilk.com
http://www.godairyfree.org/The-Dairy-Free-Challenge.html

http://www.shazzie.com/

Woody Harrelson follows a raw food diet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QAA3S3zK9I

Ignore all the nutritional deficiency nonsense. I believe that's the conspiracy to get you all to not take the leap back to a natural diet. Vegetarians get more fruit and veg than most meat eaters do, if anything those on a junk diet aren't geting fuck all nutrients.

Unfortunately there's a plethora of information out there to confuse you. Soy is good, soy is bad -- soy turns you feminine. Examine the sources this crap is coming from. Ask yourself what Dr. Mercola's agenda is half the time, he's a useful source but he's not that credible to begin with.

Search out for a vegetarian called John Robbins, he has a sober view of it all.

No, being vegetarian doesn't shrink your brain. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/Eating_veggies_shrinks_the_brain/articleshow/3480629.cms Think of the agenda as a whole. Suppose it's the opposite. Suppose being a vegetarian/vegan is smarter... they don't want that. Fears an excellent weapon, isn't it? You'll see that and go "Oh god I don't want my brain to shrink! I better go out and have a Double Cheeseburger + Bacon!, because THAT makes it BIGGER".

Give me a break, would you? They treat you like you're the mental age of 5. ;)

Those of you with the "Infinite love is the only truth vibe" might want to give your tastebuds a rest and have a look at what produces our animal food and how we treat other species on this planet, because I believe the situation we're in now is karmaic in proportion to how we regard other living things.

If this doesn't disgust you or shake you up then you're far from being "enlightened" or whatever you consider yourself.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6361872964130308142

John Robbins site:
http://www.foodrevolution.org/

Be sure to check his stuff on youtube, and good luck with the change!

Golden, glad to see another eating what is best for them mentally physically and spiritually.

[relax]

Despite what others are saying here...A raw vegan diet can be plentiful and very healthy. The main problem people have while eating a raw vegan diet is that they don't consume enough calories. This is why people yoyo diet, they don't eat enough and then they super compensate when they finally break it. If you eat plenty of calories, you will not be hungry.

I eat an even more extreme raw diet which is the 80/10/10 diet which means I eat a low fat raw vegan diet because a lot of raw vegans consume a great deal of fat. Even though people say you'll waste away, I have put on 10lbs yet it's probably more that because on this diet, you don't retain water, so i've probably put on more than a stone. Even though my bodyfat has most likely gone down.

Regarding B12, on the 80/10/10 diet this is often not needed. Many people who've been eating 80/10/10 for up to 30 years have been tested for B12 deficiencies and have found they have plenty of B12 stocks. This is probably because B12 is not an animal product but a bacterial by-product converted in the gut. No animal on earth makes B12, it's all from bacteria. Vitamin B12 is very easy to replenish and supplentation can be used if needed. Testing is also easy for it.

A person is completely capable of living a very nourishing life on a low-fat-raw-vegan diet if they are intelligent and make sure they get enough calories and minerals which is what people should be making sure of on any diet.

My skin used to be my worst asset, now it's probably my best (because most peoples skin is horrible), I can sleep like an absolute log which before I was almost an insomiac and the biggest reason why I eat a 80/10/10 is because I meditate and practice a lot of religious ceremonies. The 811 diet is the easiest diet on your digestive system which is especially important to treat well if you want to meditate which is why a lot of religious people fast. The 811 diet is closest diet to fasting where you remineralise and nourish yourself at the same time.

Other mate, theres only one person that appears to be a disinfo agent considering the quadruple posts.

Your diet sounds like mine but ive not heard of 80/10/10 any recommended reading?

[robbyblade]

I'm on a raw carnivorous diet. I've cured two supposedly "incurable" diseases. One is Keratosis Pilaris, and the other is Ulcerative Colitis. I've also remineralized a cavity in my tooth.

All I eat is organic grass-fed red meat/fat/organs. I eat no carbohydrates of any kind. Fish is expensive but I try to buy mackerel when I see it. I also supplement with high quality fish oils to get more vitamin D. I only drink water.

I have no problems with vegans and vegetarians. In fact, they help keep the demand, and therefore the prices on my food low. I do have one question for you though. Do you guys really think you're more in touch with nature/spirit/mind/body (all that stuff you brag about) than the Inuit, or other indigenous peoples that ate a mostly carnivorous diet? Do you think you're more in touch with nature than a lion, tiger, or bear?

The original diet of man is quite simple. Who benefits from telling you to eat a wide variety of foods? Think about it.

It's kind of funny that we started eating grains and other crappy plant food around ten thousand years ago. That's when the first signs of civilization are traced back to. Who brought us civilization? I'm just asking because I don't know.

[deetox]

The original diet of man is quite simple. Who benefits from telling you to eat a wide variety of foods? Think about it.


You're actually saying that meat was the original diet of man? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Humans have never had sharp teeth or claws, we need weapons to kill other animals. It would have taken the first humans a long time to invent them so what were they eating before that? I bet even after they invented weapons they still ate more plant foods than meat, it's a hell of a lot easier and less dangerous to pick some berries than it is to hunt down and kill an animal.

If we were designed to be carnivores then why is it that we share virtually NO physical similarities with carnivorous animals and share NOTHING BUT similarities with herbivores? I'd love to hear what you have to say about this chart.

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/438/comparativeanatomyofeaty.jpg

[chris]

Other mate, theres only one person that appears to be a disinfo agent considering the quadruple posts.

Your diet sounds like mine but ive not heard of 80/10/10 any recommended reading?

Here's a good video...

raw food diet - Dr. Grahams 80-10-10 raw food book review - YouTube

You can buy the book called "80/10/10"...

The most important things in my opinion to remember when doing the 80/10/10 is that you need ripe fruit and you need enough calories.

What I do is I get a week supply of bananas a week ahead and then let them ripen. I actually get them delivered per week so I don't even need to think about it. It also helps because I've always got food in my house, which makes it easier to stick to. It's not hard to stick to when you get enough calories. My problems come when I don't plan ahead and have to wait a week for a load of fruit to ripen.

You can find some of Doug Grahams lectures online...

[pacoquerak]

You're actually saying that meat was the original diet of man? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Humans have never had sharp teeth or claws, we need weapons to kill other animals. It would have taken the first humans a long time to invent them so what were they eating before that? I bet even after they invented weapons they still ate more plant foods than meat, it's a hell of a lot easier and less dangerous to pick some berries than it is to hunt down and kill an animal.

If we were designed to be carnivores then why is it that we share virtually NO physical similarities with carnivorous animals and share NOTHING BUT similarities with herbivores? I'd love to hear what you have to say about this chart.

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/438/comparativeanatomyofeaty.jpg

WOH LOOK OUT GUYS HE HAS GOT A CHART!!!

which means absolutely nothing, never mind that it is not sourced

there isn't any such thing as an animal that does not eat other animals

just doesn't exist in nature, every animal whether it means to or not consumes some animal matter

a great example, there was a rare species of monkey (all monkeys are herbivores) that couldn't be bred in captivity, until animal protein was added to the diet



I am not going to enter this argument though, veganism may work for some for a certain amount of time (I have never heard of a healthy child being reared vegan ever, much less without breast milk) but it DEFINATELY DOES NOT WORK FOR EVERYONE, SO STOP TRYING TO SELL IT AS AN ALTERNATIVE

most people do not have the resources to afford a healthy vegan or vegetarian diet as well

besides, food tastes better with meat broth or butter


hey, I don't enjoy killing the animals that I eat, but I don't mind at all eating them and fuck you for trying to argue that I am a herbivore, because I would take a bullet for any indigenous human out there and your trying to tell me that what they have been doing for over 10'000 years is wrong?

fuck off

but by all means be vegan and talk about ways of being vegan

p.s. for more information read my signature

p.p.s. I just read this somewhere and a bear is an omnivore, so I think I may as well have just debunked your chart, actually scratch that, this following quotation is just as valid as the chart you drew up for us.

"A bear's saliva contains lots of the same digestive enzimes and acids that we have in our stomachs so it usually smells like barf."

[indigowarrior]

so as you can see from pacoquerk or what ever his name is, eating decaying animal flesh causes agression and anger.

[pacoquerak]

so as you can see from pacoquerk or what ever his name is, eating decaying animal flesh causes agression and anger.

for some reason I come off angry on the internet, I am actually a very calm person, though if I was angry (can't truly remember if I was or not) it was cause it was 3-4 in the morning

I would also like to note that i eat very very little meat, about twice a week tops, all of which I grow myself, even so called "organic" meat from the store is gross to me, any meat that is derived from grain should not be eaten

[tenzingnorgay]

you can get all your nutrients from plant foods. hemp seeds have all essential amino acids. b12 is found in bananas and walnuts. you can still include meats in a dominantly raw diet. technically only 75% of the foods have to be raw/ living. i'm sure some sushi here and there or some carpaccio would be beneficial. hell even have a raw egg once a week.

You might want to study up on B12. You will find real B12 only in animal foods. B12 analogues are everywhere and many block urtilization of real B12. When vegans eat the analogues they are causing themselves even more problems and their brains shrink even faster.

"Vitamin B12 is a coenzyme: it is needed for enzymes to do their job of changing one molecule into another.

As vitamins go, B12 is large. One part of its structure is known as the corrin nucleus, which holds an atom of cobalt. The corrin resembles the heme of hemoglobin which holds an atom of iron. Any molecule that contains a corrin nucleus is considered a corrinoid.

The corrin plus other atoms make up the cobalamin part of B12. There are many different cobalamins and they are named after their attachments. For example, methylcobalamin is cobalamin with a methyl group (one carbon and three hydrogens) attached.

Only two cobalamins are active as coenzymes in the human body: adenosylcobalamin and methylcobalamin. The body has the ability to convert at least some other cobalamins into one of these active forms.

Cyanocobalamin (a cyanide molecule attached to a cobalamin) is the form most often found in supplements and fortified foods because it is the most stable form of B12. The cyanide in cyanocobalamin is in amounts small enough not to be harmful for everyone except possibly those with cyanide metabolism defects (see the Safety section of Sources of B12 for Vegans and the Cyanide Metabolism Defects section of People Who Should Not Take the Cyanocobalamin Form of B12 for more information). Most people readily convert cyanocobalamin into one of the B12 coenzymes.1

Hydroxocobalamin is also common in foods and the body; it can be converted into a B12 coenzyme.

All corrinoids (including all cobalamins) are considered B12 analogues. Many corrinoids, and possibly even some cobalamins, are not useable by human B12 enzymes. These are considered inactive B12 analogues.

About 1/3 of the corrinoids in the typical person are inactive analogues, while the rest are active B12.2

In this article, unless otherwise noted, "B12" refers only to active B12 analogues.

B12 in Animal Foods

In animal foods, B12 is protein-bound and partially light-protected.4

It is mostly in the form of adenosylcobalamin and hydroxocobalamin. In cow's milk it is mainly adenosylcobalamin, but in dried milk it is mostly hydroxocobalamin with a trace of cyanocobalamin. Egg yolks and sardines contain a substantial proportion of methylcobalamin.4

Inactive Analogues: Worse than Useless

Carmel et al.3 (1988, USA) examined the medical records of 364 patients with low B12 levels. Both R-protein and human intrinsic factor were used to measure their B12 levels. Because active B12 analogues would be detected using either method, any difference between the two methods would indicate inactive B12 analogues. Results were:

* Patients with primarily neurological problems had significantly higher inactive B12 analogue levels (as shown by a difference between assays), than did patients with primarily blood problems.
* 33 of the 76 patients with neurological symptoms had a normal serum B12 when measured with R-protein. But when measured with intrinsic factor, many of these patients had much lower serum B12 levels.
* The R-protein assay was a reliable indicator of B12 deficiency in patients whose symptoms were primarily blood-related.

This study indicates that one of the following is probably true:

1. Some B12 analogue may be harmful to the nervous system.
2. Some B12 analogue may have B12 activity in bone marrow (which produces blood cells) but not in the nervous tissue.

Weeding Out Inactive Analogues

There are basically three B12 analogue transport proteins:5

* Intrinsic Factor - Facilitates uptake of B12 analogues into the intestinal cells in the ileum. Has a low affinity for many inactive analogues.
* Transcobalamin - Facilitates uptake of B12 analogues into all cells in the body. Has a low affinity for many inactive analgogues.
* Haptocorrin - Facilitates uptake of B12 analogues into the liver cells. Has a high affinity for many inactive analogues.

Haptocorrin delivers B12 analogues to the liver where the inactive analogues are excreted in the urine and feces.5 Active B12 is released back into the blood,5 where it is taken to cells by transcobalamin."

[tenzingnorgay]

Despite what others are saying here...A raw vegan diet can be plentiful and very healthy. The main problem people have while eating a raw vegan diet is that they don't consume enough calories. This is why people yoyo diet, they don't eat enough and then they super compensate when they finally break it. If you eat plenty of calories, you will not be hungry.

I eat an even more extreme raw diet which is the 80/10/10 diet which means I eat a low fat raw vegan diet because a lot of raw vegans consume a great deal of fat. Even though people say you'll waste away, I have put on 10lbs yet it's probably more that because on this diet, you don't retain water, so i've probably put on more than a stone. Even though my bodyfat has most likely gone down.

Regarding B12, on the 80/10/10 diet this is often not needed. Many people who've been eating 80/10/10 for up to 30 years have been tested for B12 deficiencies and have found they have plenty of B12 stocks. This is probably because B12 is not an animal product but a bacterial by-product converted in the gut. No animal on earth makes B12, it's all from bacteria. Vitamin B12 is very easy to replenish and supplentation can be used if needed. Testing is also easy for it.

A person is completely capable of living a very nourishing life on a low-fat-raw-vegan diet if they are intelligent and make sure they get enough calories and minerals which is what people should be making sure of on any diet.

My skin used to be my worst asset, now it's probably my best (because most peoples skin is horrible), I can sleep like an absolute log which before I was almost an insomiac and the biggest reason why I eat a 80/10/10 is because I meditate and practice a lot of religious ceremonies. The 811 diet is the easiest diet on your digestive system which is especially important to treat well if you want to meditate which is why a lot of religious people fast. The 811 diet is closest diet to fasting where you remineralise and nourish yourself at the same time.

The main problem people have with vegan diets and the reason most people quit them is a lack of NUMEROUS nutrients. I don't know any vegans, not one, who doesn't have cravings. Cravings are not only caused by a need for calories but a need for minerals, fat and protein.

A raw vegan diet can only be plentiful and healthy if you beome a master of nutritional issues and have easy availability of a wide range of vegan foods grown al over the world. Being a vegan 100 years ago was not far from a death sentence. Try living in 1850 and being a vegan. Now, it's marginally possible because people can buy food from all over the world, and out of season.

B12 is ALWAYS needed. There are different types of B12 tests. You can score high on some types and still have serious B12 deficiencies as do almost all vegans who have been eating vegan for more than a few years. Many vegans eat a lot of B12 analogues which show up on many B12 tests but actually block utilization of real B12.

B12 is very difficult to replenish. It is a large molecule that is difficult to absorb. Even many meat eaters are deficient in B12.

Why do vegans always get all excited about the fact that B12 is created by bacteria? The only food where you are ordinarily going to find bacteria created B12 is in meat. What difference does it make that it is created by bacteria?

If you want medical problems, then be sure to follow the 80-10-10 diet. Luckily it has close to a 100% failure rate. When people start getting sick, they drop off the diet. Your body needs fat and protein. It does not need carbs which are the leading caiuse of numerous inflammatory disorders including heart disease. Throw away that junk diet and start eating butter.

[tenzingnorgay]

Here's a good video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCbUfVRWQfY

You can buy the book called "80/10/10"...

The most important things in my opinion to remember when doing the 80/10/10 is that you need ripe fruit and you need enough calories.

What I do is I get a week supply of bananas a week ahead and then let them ripen. I actually get them delivered per week so I don't even need to think about it. It also helps because I've always got food in my house, which makes it easier to stick to. It's not hard to stick to when you get enough calories. My problems come when I don't plan ahead and have to wait a week for a load of fruit to ripen.

You can find some of Doug Grahams lectures online...

The 80 10 10 diet may be the worst in the world. It starves you of the fats your body needs and drowns you in carbs which lead to insulin issues and inflammatory issues. Luckily it makes most people sick so they drop off quickly before serious health problems develop.

[chris]

The main problem people have with vegan diets and the reason most people quit them is a lack of NUMEROUS nutrients.

Well I couldn't really care about most vegans. I'm talking about the possibility and actually of a minority who eat well. You are making out that no one can be a vegan and be healthy if you eat vegan, this is fallacious.

It is like me saying that you can't be a meat eater because so many meat eaters are nutritionally deficient...

I don't know any vegans, not one, who doesn't have cravings. Cravings are not only caused by a need for calories but a need for minerals, fat and protein.

Well now you know one that has minimal cravings, it's a strawman to say that you don't know any that have no cravings because all humans have cravings, they get hungry so they go and eat. I'm not trying hard to stick to this diet, it's pretty easy. Plus by all dietry indicies, I'm getting ample amounts of iron/zinc before you bring that up. So your simply making shit up if your saying to everyone that vegan is the devil just because many people are stupid and unscientific in their approach. Just accept, the sky isn't going to fall if you eat vegan.

A raw vegan diet can only be plentiful and healthy if you beome a master of nutritional issues

Disagree, you can do it quite easily, a master would mean you're at PHD which is a bit of an overkill. You don't need to be a genius to follow this kind of diet, just not totally stupid.

and have easy availability of a wide range of vegan foods grown al over the world. Being a vegan 100 years ago was not far from a death sentence. Try living in 1850 and being a vegan.

Well this is 2009, not 1850 so what has this got to do with anything?

Now, it's marginally possible because people can buy food from all over the world, and out of season.

B12 is ALWAYS needed. There are different types of B12 tests. You can score high on some types and still have serious B12 deficiencies as do almost all vegans who have been eating vegan for more than a few years. Many vegans eat a lot of B12 analogues which show up on many B12 tests but actually block utilization of real B12.

B12 is very difficult to replenish. It is a large molecule that is difficult to absorb. Even many meat eaters are deficient in B12.

Why do vegans always get all excited about the fact that B12 is created by bacteria? The only food where you are ordinarily going to find bacteria created B12 is in meat. What difference does it make that it is created by bacteria?

Well many fallacies here but if you want to try to discredit all B12 tests on the basis that they are different types then you are not even bothering to try to look into the issue, you've just decided you hate vegans and are going to try to hang on any little thing you can to prop up your stance. I guess all the B12 tests on long term vegans are fallacious by your standards am I right?

The B12 in meat is first created by the bacteria and then supplied into their muscle tissue, You ask what's the difference if you get it from meat? There is none. That is why a human that doesn't go deficient in B12 over decades of not eating meat/dairy will be the same as a human who isn't going deficient by eating meat/dairy.

If you want medical problems, then be sure to follow the 80-10-10 diet. Luckily it has close to a 100% failure rate.

LOL, what a fucking load of bollocks...Are you going to make any citation?

When people start getting sick, they drop off the diet. Your body needs fat and protein. It does not need carbs which are the leading caiuse of numerous inflammatory disorders including heart disease. Throw away that junk diet and start eating butter.

Have you ever studied nutrition? There's 8 essential amino acids (i.e. fat) and they are all found in fruit and veg in plentiful supply. The other amino acids are created through your body synthasizing them. I get more than enough protein for my weight from any mainstream source.

The 80 10 10 diet may be the worst in the world. It starves you of the fats your body needs and drowns you in carbs which lead to insulin issues and inflammatory issues. Luckily it makes most people sick so they drop off quickly before serious health problems develop.

Okay, please give me your sources saying how specifically the 801010 diet has lead to these issues?

It's amazing how vegans get accused of being wild eyed proselytizers when it comes to diet. I'm not saying you can't live healthy off a meat based diet, I'm not saying that a vegan diet is the best, I am simply saying that you can eat perfectly healthy on a vegan diet for many years and this has proven to be so but the vitriol here seems almost religious. It's my body, why do I need to have people recycling bollocks to scare me away from doing what I want with it? If you have good scientific sources which prove things one way then please list them rather than go the fear route. Besides, I am not a religious vegan, I could quite easily tuck into a steak tomorrow but if you want to convert me, at least use reasonable arguments.

Thanks

[pacoquerak]

people eat spider eggs, if you have spiders in your house, you have eaten a lot of spider eggs

it's not hard to consume half a gallon of spider eggs in a year, that's average

lots of canned food contains maggots did you know that?

i don't know what the limit is, but it is the case

i know vegans who are being misled into an unhealthy diet when they could easily switch over to a much more healthy diet for less money by eating some meat and cooking with animal fat

processed carbs and unprocessed carbs alike can be very detrimental to your health, all seeds nuts and grains contain enzyme enhibitors which make our organs work to destroy them, just like alcohol or cigarettes

and feed candida and cancer

saturated fats for the win

though not all vegans are destroying their bodies... I think

most of them i have seen are though

in fact if i go away for 6 months i see a big difference

[wildhorse]

ok guys....and gals :D

i have done bit of fasting with lemon and water of late, but this week i decided to go pretty much raw.

just got LOADS of every fruit and veg i liked...its ok to just pick up a carrot and munch or some vine cherry toms or whatever...love me fruit. Any fruit left over i will just juice it or blend it with milk for a lush smoothie

peeps worry bout the B12 thingy, but i have 100% ALoe Vera gel juice, just 25mls of what looks like stale erm...um...semen, yet tastes like chlorine, really takes the hunger pangs away, is great for you and it naturally contains B12. I have the brand "forever" it costs about 15 quid for a litre but will last ya two months. You get used to it honest !!

it also helps you burn calories and i have seen myself and my friends shed weight alot easier with it

also, try enemas....get ya colon empty of rotting meat stuck in your colon...i can seriously say (ok well i cant :D) that my wind is definately a fresher breeze these days since my colon cleanse lol

[ar20]

A natural diet includes lots of meat. Quality vitamin B12 comes only from meat. Humans evolved eating meat. If you want to try to fight evolution, go ahead and try it. Youir body will teach you a lesson sooner or later. Your body will store B12 for a while. After that your brain starts shrinking. Then the lysine deficiency sets in and your thinking becomes even more muddled, much like your post above.

Most vegetarians do lose weight. That's what happens when you fail to get adequate nutrition. It's not something to be proud of. Let us know what food cravings you develop because ALL vegetarians get them.

Crap, over the last few days my brain feels like a peanut.. and you're right, my post does seems muddled... and losing weight is a bad thing! Holy crap, my B12 IS GOING DOWN AS WE SPEAK.

Fear fear fear, paranoia, propaganda and stupidity... into one big post.

See, it's okay to lose weight on an atkins or meat eating diet, infact it's a cultural norm and big business for the fitness industry... HEAVEN FORBID ALL YOU EAT IS NATURAL FRUIT AND VEGETABLES.

Just because it evolves, doesn't make it right or so. Our stupid ancestors figure drinking cows milk is healthy. Evolution isn't a fact in stone, it's a process of learning.


Let me rip you apart like a meat-eater.


My thinking isn't muddled, it's clearer.
I have less illness/colds... infact, they're non-existant.
The only cravings I get are for fruit and vegetables, how is this bad?

Yes, vegans/vegetarians can fail on raw food diets because eating a huge bag of potato chips or drinking 2ltr of soda still isn't healthy.

You need to eat as close to nature as possible.

Your post reaks of the typical arrogance of a meat eating, cheese eating, milk drinking know it all. Go ahead, sir. Explain to me logically how drinking/converting another species milk is good for a HUMANS body?

Explain to me how processed, hormoned to the max, or even organic COOKED dead animal flesh provides any quality nutrition that can't be found in organic vegetables.

Explain, LOGICALLY... how your brain is bigger from this? And even then, it's been proven that big brains don't mean smart intellects. Einstein was a vegetarian, didn't have an unusually sized brain... doesn't mean shit.

Let me also state you don't need a doctor or a pyramid chart to tell you how to eat.

You can have a big dick but if you don't know how to use it, you're going to FAIL.

Maybe you should try a vegetarian diet for a week and see how you feel, because I guarentee you, you aren't as healthy as you think you are, and you aren't nearly as healthy as you potentially could be.

I know my body, I've been in it 21 years, and I was ill eating meat, eating cheese, eating processed foods... I'm now better through better eating, through a natural diet I believe to be right for humans and the environment.

Meat is a complete waste, you don't NEED it, it's just a convienience to have a packaged animal slice ready to buy.

Infact, it's ANYTHING by them to get you to not eat properly. They don't want you healthy, spiritually aligned, informed, and active.

They want you riddled with all sorts of maladies and addicted to sugar/processed foods so you can't rise up.

Think about it. It isn't "weak vegans" they're worried about.

For more information, seek 95 year old JackLaLanne...

Jack LaLanne: Yes, I do it as a therapy. I do it as something to keep me alive. We all need a little discipline. Exercise is my discipline.

Share Guide: In your book you mention that you were a vegetarian at one point for 6 years.

Jack LaLanne: I was a strict vegetarian. Then I decided to enter a Mr. America contest (which I won) and in those days they thought that in order to build muscle you had to have meat. So I ate meat for a while.

Share Guide: Why did you stop being a strict vegetarian?

Jack LaLanne: In those days everybody was saying that you had to eat meat to build muscle, so I went on a meat thing for awhile. NowI only eat fish--no chicken, no turkey, just fish. I get all my protein from fish and egg whites.


* 1954 (age 40): swam the entire length of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco, underwater, with 140 pounds (64 kg; 10 st) of equipment, including two air tanks. A world record.
* 1955 (age 41): swam from Alcatraz Island to Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco while handcuffed. When interviewed afterwards he was quoted as saying that the worst thing about the ordeal was being handcuffed, which reduced his chance to Star Jump significantly.
* 1956 (age 42): set a world record of 1,033 push-ups in 23 minutes on You Asked For It, a television program with Art Baker.
* 1957 (age 43): swam the Golden Gate channel while towing a 2,500-pound (1,100 kg; 180 st) cabin cruiser. The swift ocean currents turned this one-mile (1.6 km) swim into a swimming distance of 6.5 miles (10.5 km).
* 1958 (age 44): maneuvered a paddleboard nonstop from Farallon Islands to the San Francisco shore. The 30-mile (48 km) trip took 9.5 hours.
* 1959 (age 45): did 1,000 star jumps and 1,000 chin-ups in 1 hour, 22 minutes and The Jack LaLanne Show went nationwide.
* 1974 (age 60): For the second time, he swam from Alcatraz Island to Fisherman's Wharf. Again, he was handcuffed, but this time he was also shackled and towed a 1,000-pound (450 kg; 71 st) boat.
* 1975 (age 61): Repeating his performance of 21 years earlier, he again swam the entire length of the Golden Gate Bridge, underwater and handcuffed, but this time he was shackled and towed a 1,000-pound (450 kg; 71 st) boat.
* 1976 (age 62): To commemorate the "Spirit of '76", United States Bicentennial, he swam one mile (1.6 km) in Long Beach Harbor. He was handcuffed and shackled, and he towed 13 boats (representing the 13 original colonies) containing 76 people.
* 1979 (age 65): towed 65 boats in Lake Ashinoko, near Tokyo, Japan. He was handcuffed and shackled, and the boats were filled with 6,500 pounds (2,900 kg; 460 st) of Louisiana Pacific wood pulp.[16]
* 1980 (age 66): towed 10 boats in North Miami, Florida. The boats carried 77 people, and he towed them for over one mile (1.6 km) in less than one hour.
* 1984 (age 70): Once again handcuffed and shackled, he fought strong winds and currents as he swam 1.5 miles (2.4 km) while towing 70 boats with 70 people from the Queen's Way Bridge in the Long Beach Harbor to the Queen Mary.


All without dairy and tons of meat.... he includes fish in his diet, which as I stated looks to be the only and most natural meat you could catch, prepare and eat (and raw fish is big in Japan, and they have great minds).

Without dairy, without chicken, without pork, without red meat... the odd bit of fish, some egg whites and just a few vegetables and fruit per day, plus a TON of exercise, LaLanne at 71

http://realclearfit.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/jack-lalanne1.jpg

He's 95 now.


I should point out, I don't care what other people eat... it's your choice, I respect it. I just want respect for my choice. I don't like being told I'm going to die, going to end up frail, or have my brain shrunk, or all the other garbage.

I'm also entitled to my opinion on meat eating, as you are on veg eating. So if this post comes off a little "PETA-ish", I apologise.

From my experience though, it's benefited me enormously and I encourage other people to give it a try before bad mouthing it.

[relax]

Hey guys, just rediscovered this link in my bookmarks, its a raw food Q&A and is a MUST read for anyone who isnt Raw already

http://www.living-foods.com/articles/nfl.html

[al209]

Question 24: What is your position on spirulina and blue green algae?

Stephen: We don't promote consuming anything that has been denatured -- even in the slightest bit. Pills and powders are not natural, of course. If you want to eat algae, go to a lake and eat raw algae as other natural creatures do.


OR

go to http://www.sunfood.com/Categories/1/green-superfoods.aspx

The money grabbing scumbags that are david wolfe and his cronies

[relax]

question 24: What is your position on spirulina and blue green algae?

Stephen: We don't promote consuming anything that has been denatured -- even in the slightest bit. Pills and powders are not natural, of course. If you want to eat algae, go to a lake and eat raw algae as other natural creatures do.


Or

go to http://www.sunfood.com/categories/1/green-superfoods.aspx

the money grabbing scumbags that are david wolfe and his cronies

lol what a ridiculous comment.

[al209]

lol what a ridiculous comment.

How so? In one breath claiming powdered algae is not something they would promote, then lo and behold, not only promoting it, promoting it for personal gain, and vastly overpriced too. Wolfe couldnt care less about your health, he wants $$$$$$ thats why he pushes so hard with his cacao, which is proven detrimental in the amounts he recommends

[relax]

How so? In one breath claiming powdered algae is not something they would promote, then lo and behold, not only promoting it, promoting it for personal gain, and vastly overpriced too. Wolfe couldnt care less about your health, he wants $$$$$$ thats why he pushes so hard with his cacao, which is proven detrimental in the amounts he recommends

Oops sorry mate didnt realize that site was run by him, hypocritical indeed, maybe his views have changed since the interview? Unless he was stocking products like that at the time.

He may not care about peoples health but he sure gives the best advice ive ever heard on nutrition and diet in that interview, its the individuals responsibility to care about their health not others.

[al209]

Oops sorry mate didnt realize that site was run by him, hypocritical indeed, maybe his views have changed since the interview? Unless he was stocking products like that at the time.

He may not care about peoples health but he sure gives the best advice ive ever heard on nutrition and diet in that interview, its the individuals responsibility to care about their health not others.

Granted 11 years have passed between the interview and now, and greed can corrupt one a great deal in that time.

[lyrag]

All raw vegans have cravings because they are all starving their bodies of numerous nutrients.

Not all do, its usually within the first few months that people have cravings, after that it eeks out, they also usually experience alot of 'detox' symptoms.
A raw vegan diet, if followed correctly actually contains much, much more nutrients than any cooked diet could do. The only one nutrient that is questioned is K3? i will check, its K somethng or other, that children need whilst growing. Everything else you can get without eating animal products

[lyrag]

If you want to get rid of cravings, eat a good well balanced diet including meat, eggs, cheese and butter. Your body needs fat and protein.

People like you really should not reply until you have gone away and done research.
Yes your body does need fat and protein well done!:rolleyes:

[deetox]

Oops sorry mate didnt realize that site was run by him, hypocritical indeed, maybe his views have changed since the interview? Unless he was stocking products like that at the time.

He may not care about peoples health but he sure gives the best advice ive ever heard on nutrition and diet in that interview, its the individuals responsibility to care about their health not others.

Yeah Wolfe is definitely a hypocrite in some ways, but damn if he isn't one of the best and most knowledgeable speakers I've ever heard. If you can look past his shortcomings the guy has a ton of great info, I've learned a lot from him and he's been an invaluable resource in my transition to a vegan diet.

I do believe that a 100% raw diet is the healthiest and when I'm ready I will probably adopt that lifestyle but I also have a hard time believing all cooked food is as bad as the raw foodists say. I mean look at health experts like Dr. Joel Fuhrman and John Mcdougall, they advocate a vegan diet with quite a few cooked foods, which has helped many people reverse diseases and dramatically improve their health. That right there is pretty solid proof that cooked food can still be very healthy.

[al209]

As far as proponents of the 100% raw vegan diet go i think David Jubb has fantastic knowledge of human biology. Much more so than the likes of Wolfe and Cousens etc.

But even he has something to sell...

[relax]

Yeah Wolfe is definitely a hypocrite in some ways, but damn if he isn't one of the best and most knowledgeable speakers I've ever heard. If you can look past his shortcomings the guy has a ton of great info, I've learned a lot from him and he's been an invaluable resource in my transition to a vegan diet.

I do believe that a 100% raw diet is the healthiest and when I'm ready I will probably adopt that lifestyle but I also have a hard time believing all cooked food is as bad as the raw foodists say. I mean look at health experts like Dr. Joel Fuhrman and John Mcdougall, they advocate a vegan diet with quite a few cooked foods, which has helped many people reverse diseases and dramatically improve their health. That right there is pretty solid proof that cooked food can still be very healthy.

Thats not proof cooked food can be very healthy, its proof you can be healthy by eating some cooked foods with raw, and rightly so if its a comparison with a 100% cooked diet. But healthy by whos standards? Today's society? Thats nothing to go on imo, considering most things are done for money or population control when it comes to nutrition, and people are kept in line through fear and ridicule.

[tenzingnorgay]

Not all do, its usually within the first few months that people have cravings, after that it eeks out, they also usually experience alot of 'detox' symptoms.
A raw vegan diet, if followed correctly actually contains much, much more nutrients than any cooked diet could do. The only one nutrient that is questioned is K3? i will check, its K somethng or other, that children need whilst growing. Everything else you can get without eating animal products

The initial problems are not "detox" problems. They are your body's way of trying to tell you that it hates your new diet. The cravings get worse the longer they try to be raw vegans. Very few people keep to the raw vegan diet for very long anyway because their bodies rebel. I know of no one who has been a raw vegan for more than a year.

A raw vegan diet contains less nutrients than comparable diets with meat. Vegan diets are all deficient in B12 unless supplements are taken. Vegans are commonly deficent in half a dozen minerals. But vegans are often most seriously deficient in fat and protein.

Try to be a vegan with locally grown food and without taking supplements.

[deetox]

Thats not proof cooked food can be very healthy, its proof you can be healthy by eating some cooked foods with raw, and rightly so if its a comparison with a 100% cooked diet. But healthy by whos standards? Today's society? Thats nothing to go on imo, considering most things are done for money or population control when it comes to nutrition, and people are kept in line through fear and ridicule.

Well I still don't agree with how some raw foodists make it sound like nothing good can come out of cooked food, that simply isn't the truth. Of course it's better to be 100% raw but even if some of the nutrition is lost through cooking you can still get a fair bit if you cook the right things. It can also make some foods a lot more palatable and digestable and some nutrients are more efficiently absorbed when cooked.

[deetox]

The initial problems are not "detox" problems. They are your body's way of trying to tell you that it hates your new diet. The cravings get worse the longer they try to be raw vegans. Very few people keep to the raw vegan diet for very long anyway because their bodies rebel. I know of no one who has been a raw vegan for more than a year.

The initial problems are due to withdrawal, meat and other junk foods can be very addictive, even more than herione. I'm only a 70-80% raw vegan but I can tell you that my cravings for the foods I used to eat have only lessened with time, just like they did when I quit cigarrettes.

A raw vegan diet contains less nutrients than comparable diets with meat. Vegan diets are all deficient in B12 unless supplements are taken. Vegans are commonly deficent in half a dozen minerals. But vegans are often most seriously deficient in fat and protein.

Try to be a vegan with locally grown food and without taking supplements.

Any diet can be deficient if you do it the wrong way, but if done the right way a vegan diet is by far the healthiest. I personally think the biggest reason some people don't have success being vegan is because they don't consume nearly enough greens. For optimum health we should be eating at least 1-2 pounds of them per day. (Thank God for green smoothies lol)

Getting enough fats and protein is extremely easy, all you have to do is eat things like avacodos, nuts, flax/hemp seeds, legumes and greens. (Spinach and broccoli have twice as much protein as sirloin steak)

Meat may have B12 but other than that it has very low nutritional value compared to plant foods. I'm currently reading a book called Eat to Live and it has an interesting comparison of the nutrient density various foods have, since it's an ebook I'll paste it here.

The nutrient-density scores below are based on identified
phytochemicals, antioxidant activity, and total vitamin and
mineral content.

THE NUTRIENT-DENSITY LINE
Highest nutrient density
= 100 points
Lowest nutrient density
= 0

100 Raw leafy green vegetables (darker green has more
nutrients)
romaine lettuce, leaf lettuces, kale, collards, spinach, swiss
chard, parsley, daikon

97 Solid green vegetables (raw, steamed, or frozen)
artichokes, asparagus, bok choy, broccoli, Brussels sprouts,
cabbage, celery, cucumber, kohlrabi, okra, peas, peppers,
snow peas, string beans, zucchini

50 Non-green, non-starchy vegetables
beets, eggplant, mushrooms, onions, tomatoes, yellow and red
peppers, bamboo shoots, water chestnuts, cauliflower

48 Beans/legumes (cooked, canned, or sprouted)
red kidney beans, chickpeas, pinto beans, cowpeas, navy
beans, cannellini beans, soybeans, lentils, white beans, lima
beans, pigeon peas, black-eyed peas, black beans

45 Fresh fruits
apples, apricots, bananas, blackberries, blueberries,
cantaloupes, grapefruits, grapes, kiwis, mangoes, nectarines,
all melons, oranges, peaches, pears, persimmons, pineapple,
plums, raspberries, strawberries, tangerines, watermelon

35 Starchy vegetables
white potatoes, sweet potatoes, butternut squash, acorn
squash, winter squash, parsnips, pumpkins, turnips, corn,
carrots, chestnuts

22 Whole grains
barley, buckwheat, millet, oats, brown rice, wild rice, quinoa

20 Raw nuts and seeds
almonds, cashews, filberts, macadamias, pecans, pine nuts,
pistachios, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds

15 Fish
13 Fat-free dairy
11 Wild meats and fowl
11 Eggs
8 Red meat
4 Full-fat dairy
3 Cheese
2 Refined grains (white flour)
1 Refined oils
0 Refined sweets

[gaias child]

. I know of no one who has been a raw vegan for more than a year.

.

You haven't researched very well then, I've been mostly raw vegan 25 years and 10 years 100% raw vegan.

There are dozens of long term 30 year plus raw vegans, Viktoras Kulvinskas, Gabriel Cousens, Dr Ariel La tham, Dr David jubb, Doug Graham, and many many others not all of who are famous.

When your gut is healthy and working properly it can synthesise its own nutrients, the problem is most people guts are not working properly.

The whole idea of supplementation came from Pharmaceutical companies anyway,not exactly people I would trust personally, I trust the infinite wisdom of my own body.

[lyrag]

The initial problems are not "detox" problems. They are your body's way of trying to tell you that it hates your new diet. The cravings get worse the longer they try to be raw vegans. Very few people keep to the raw vegan diet for very long anyway because their bodies rebel. I know of no one who has been a raw vegan for more than a year.

A raw vegan diet contains less nutrients than comparable diets with meat. Vegan diets are all deficient in B12 unless supplements are taken. Vegans are commonly deficent in half a dozen minerals. But vegans are often most seriously deficient in fat and protein.

Try to be a vegan with locally grown food and without taking supplements.

If its your bodies way of trying to tell you that it hates the new diet, then how come so many people have 'cured' their diseases and life threatening illness's that no other diet or modern medicine could or did fix? most people who start eating raw is for health reasons. im not saying its impossible but iv never heard of anyone getting diabetes, cancer or heart diseases..etc on a raw vegan diet or raw vegetarian diet. Lots of wild greens and seeds available in the uk are very rich in protein, fat and vitamin B12 . Although i do know a big mistake alot of raw vegans do for fat is to eat masses of nuts and avocados. I do believe that you should make use of what is available in your backgarden, but because of over farming and other factors we dont have as many wild plants available as their once would of been..or could be. Plenty of healthy vegans are growing natural forest gardens which help this problem. I think this is a good link, then you can do your own research on the people afterwards http://codshit.blogspot.com/2003/10/why-do-some-people-not-get-cancer.html yes some of these guys are/were meat eaters, i dont have a problem with people eating meat now and again or if their are no other resources available , i think the way and the attitude of most people i know who eat meat is absolutely disgusting and none valid.

[pacoquerak]

The initial problems are due to withdrawal, meat and other junk foods can be very addictive, even more than herione. I'm only a 70-80% raw vegan but I can tell you that my cravings for the foods I used to eat have only lessened with time, just like they did when I quit cigarrettes.



Any diet can be deficient if you do it the wrong way, but if done the right way a vegan diet is by far the healthiest. I personally think the biggest reason some people don't have success being vegan is because they don't consume nearly enough greens. For optimum health we should be eating at least 1-2 pounds of them per day. (Thank God for green smoothies lol)

Getting enough fats and protein is extremely easy, all you have to do is eat things like avacodos, nuts, flax/hemp seeds, legumes and greens. (Spinach and broccoli have twice as much protein as sirloin steak)

Meat may have B12 but other than that it has very low nutritional value compared to plant foods. I'm currently reading a book called Eat to Live and it has an interesting comparison of the nutrient density various foods have, since it's an ebook I'll paste it here.

wow what a slanderous chart
bollocks dude
45 Fresh fruits
apples, apricots, bananas, blackberries, blueberries,
cantaloupes, grapefruits, grapes, kiwis, mangoes, nectarines,
all melons, oranges, peaches, pears, persimmons, pineapple,
plums, raspberries, strawberries, tangerines, watermelon

all of these have more nutritional value than any nightshade, tomatoes, eggplants and peppers should be on the bottom of the list, no doubt and these fresh fruits are easily just as important and nutrient dense as green vegetables

not to mention that oftentimes green vegetables are not nutritionally dense, they just can be

...daikon radishes are not fucking nutrient dense dude in fact they should be on the bottom of the list right there with watermelon, this is your second fucking shit made up chart, stop posting this made up shit

[delamo1999]

Despite what others are saying here...A raw vegan diet can be plentiful and very healthy. The main problem people have while eating a raw vegan diet is that they don't consume enough calories. This is why people yoyo diet, they don't eat enough and then they super compensate when they finally break it. If you eat plenty of calories, you will not be hungry.

I eat an even more extreme raw diet which is the 80/10/10 diet which means I eat a low fat raw vegan diet because a lot of raw vegans consume a great deal of fat. Even though people say you'll waste away, I have put on 10lbs yet it's probably more that because on this diet, you don't retain water, so i've probably put on more than a stone. Even though my bodyfat has most likely gone down.

Regarding B12, on the 80/10/10 diet this is often not needed. Many people who've been eating 80/10/10 for up to 30 years have been tested for B12 deficiencies and have found they have plenty of B12 stocks. This is probably because B12 is not an animal product but a bacterial by-product converted in the gut. No animal on earth makes B12, it's all from bacteria. Vitamin B12 is very easy to replenish and supplentation can be used if needed. Testing is also easy for it.

A person is completely capable of living a very nourishing life on a low-fat-raw-vegan diet if they are intelligent and make sure they get enough calories and minerals which is what people should be making sure of on any diet.

My skin used to be my worst asset, now it's probably my best (because most peoples skin is horrible), I can sleep like an absolute log which before I was almost an insomiac and the biggest reason why I eat a 80/10/10 is because I meditate and practice a lot of religious ceremonies. The 811 diet is the easiest diet on your digestive system which is especially important to treat well if you want to meditate which is why a lot of religious people fast. The 811 diet is closest diet to fasting where you remineralise and nourish yourself at the same time.


Thanks Chris for clarifying this. The B12 thing is a lie promoted by TPTB to keep people eating meat. Also the amount of protein that one needs is way too much. Again to keep the masses eating meat. Most of the meat that is available on the market came from animals who were treated badly and were in a state of fear when they were brutally slaughtered. Their energies are in their flesh and are consumed by those who eat it. Thus the eater of this flesh now has consumed the fear and this fear keeps this individual in a fear based state.

Sure people can argue that one can purchase free range or organic meat, but we are talking about the masses. The masses are mostly based in a scarcity mode who don't want to spend the money on organic meat. If they can't get it at Costco, then it is not worth the cost. Most people could not even go vegan if they tried because they are addicted to the ingrediants that are in the meats that they are consuming.

I'm not trying to convert meat eaters to vegans, I am only supplying some information here, some which is based on my own experience and intuition.

:)


You haven't researched very well then, I've been mostly raw vegan 25 years and 10 years 100% raw vegan.

There are dozens of long term 30 year plus raw vegans, Viktoras Kulvinskas, Gabriel Cousens, Dr Ariel La tham, Dr David jubb, Doug Graham, and many many others not all of who are famous.

When your gut is healthy and working properly it can synthesise its own nutrients, the problem is most people guts are not working properly.

The whole idea of supplementation came from Pharmaceutical companies anyway,not exactly people I would trust personally, I trust the infinite wisdom of my own body.


Well said. I agree with you.

[tenzingnorgay]

You haven't researched very well then, I've been mostly raw vegan 25 years and 10 years 100% raw vegan.

There are dozens of long term 30 year plus raw vegans, Viktoras Kulvinskas, Gabriel Cousens, Dr Ariel La tham, Dr David jubb, Doug Graham, and many many others not all of who are famous.

When your gut is healthy and working properly it can synthesise its own nutrients, the problem is most people guts are not working properly.

The whole idea of supplementation came from Pharmaceutical companies anyway,not exactly people I would trust personally, I trust the infinite wisdom of my own body.

I have known well over 100 vegans personally. None have ever maintained a raw vegan diet for more than a year because the diet can be so damaging to the body. While it is theoretically possible to be healthy on a raw vegan diet, it is extremely difficult and should not be attempted by anyone unless they are an expert and have lots of money for high priced and out of season foods.

I've read enough posts from raw vegans to know that almost all vegans cheat. Most are, like you "mostly raw" which is the same as saying "not raw".

It is not true that a human body can synthesize all needed nutrients. Apparently you don't know Cousen's work very well because he recommends B12 supplementation:

"It is my medical opinion, as a vegan since 1973 and live fooder since 1983, and as a person committed to supporting all those who choose to become healthy live food vegans, that it would be wise to incorporate some B-12 supplementation in your diet. I believe it is more natural to be healthy than it is to be anything less than that."

I'll pretend you didn't mention David Jubb because you just embarrased yourself.

[tenzingnorgay]

Thanks Chris for clarifying this. The B12 thing is a lie promoted by TPTB to keep people eating meat. Also the amount of protein that one needs is way too much. Again to keep the masses eating meat. Most of the meat that is available on the market came from animals who were treated badly and were in a state of fear when they were brutally slaughtered. Their energies are in their flesh and are consumed by those who eat it. Thus the eater of this flesh now has consumed the fear and this fear keeps this individual in a fear based state.

Sure people can argue that one can purchase free range or organic meat, but we are talking about the masses. The masses are mostly based in a scarcity mode who don't want to spend the money on organic meat. If they can't get it at Costco, then it is not worth the cost. Most people could not even go vegan if they tried because they are addicted to the ingrediants that are in the meats that they are consuming.

I'm not trying to convert meat eaters to vegans, I am only supplying some information here, some which is based on my own experience and intuition.

:)





Well said. I agree with you.

The need for B12 is not a lie. Here's a link from Gabriel Cousens, who is both an MD and a raw vegan. His conclusion-everyone needs B12 and vegans need to take supplements.

http://www.living-foods.com/articles/b12article.html

"It is my medical opinion, as a vegan since 1973 and live fooder since 1983, and as a person committed to supporting all those who choose to become healthy live food vegans, that it would be wise to incorporate some B-12 supplementation in your diet. I believe it is more natural to be healthy than it is to be anything less than that.

Gabriel Cousens, M.D., M.D.(H), Dip. Ayurveda"

[deetox]

wow what a slanderous chart
bollocks dude
45 Fresh fruits
apples, apricots, bananas, blackberries, blueberries,
cantaloupes, grapefruits, grapes, kiwis, mangoes, nectarines,
all melons, oranges, peaches, pears, persimmons, pineapple,
plums, raspberries, strawberries, tangerines, watermelon

all of these have more nutritional value than any nightshade, tomatoes, eggplants and peppers should be on the bottom of the list, no doubt and these fresh fruits are easily just as important and nutrient dense as green vegetables

not to mention that oftentimes green vegetables are not nutritionally dense, they just can be

...daikon radishes are not fucking nutrient dense dude in fact they should be on the bottom of the list right there with watermelon, this is your second fucking shit made up chart, stop posting this made up shit

Wow you really need to chill out. The carnivore/omnivore/herbivore chart I posted earlier is based on pure biological fact, how you can't see that is beyond me. As for the nutrient density chart I can't say for certain if it's 100% accurate but I do know that greens should definitely be at the top of the list. Ask pretty much any expert on nutrition and they'll tell you the same thing.

Heres a bunch of links that agree with me. Are they all making shit up too?

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art19519.asp
http://wholehealth.homestead.com/nutritious.html
http://public.thinkmoreraw.com/nutrient-density
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarbsuperfoods/a/greensnutrition.htm
http://www.whfoods.com/foodstoc.php

And for the record the green tops of daikon radishes are very nutritious. You don't have to eat only the radish part.

[al209]

The need for B12 is not a lie. Here's a link from Gabriel Cousens, who is both an MD and a raw vegan. His conclusion-everyone needs B12 and vegans need to take supplements.

http://www.living-foods.com/articles/b12article.html

"It is my medical opinion, as a vegan since 1973 and live fooder since 1983, and as a person committed to supporting all those who choose to become healthy live food vegans, that it would be wise to incorporate some B-12 supplementation in your diet. I believe it is more natural to be healthy than it is to be anything less than that.

Gabriel Cousens, M.D., M.D.(H), Dip. Ayurveda"

Great article! Basically you can be vegan as long you eat your own shit! Wonder how long it will be before we see David Wolfe selling Sunfood dehydrated Wolfeturd tablets? The great man can even curl you one fresh for $5000.

[pacoquerak]

Wow you really need to chill out. The carnivore/omnivore/herbivore chart I posted earlier is based on pure biological fact, how you can't see that is beyond me. As for the nutrient density chart I can't say for certain if it's 100% accurate but I do know that greens should definitely be at the top of the list. Ask pretty much any expert on nutrition and they'll tell you the same thing.

Heres a bunch of links that agree with me. Are they all making shit up too?

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art19519.asp
http://wholehealth.homestead.com/nutritious.html
http://public.thinkmoreraw.com/nutrient-density
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarbsuperfoods/a/greensnutrition.htm
http://www.whfoods.com/foodstoc.php

And for the record the green tops of daikon radishes are very nutritious. You don't have to eat only the radish part.

well yeah, i eat those too, but most people probably wouldn't

that chart claims omnivores and carnivores don't have digestive enzymes in their saliva, this is not true

[aaronmac]

Exercising is a lifestyle for many people who care about their health and want to be fit. Some people love working out and being active all the time, others make the sacrifice to do so but what counts at the end is that they are all taking care of their organism and that is simply all that matters. Many of these people wonder whether if it is good to combine the strength workout with the Cardio one since they either alternate them or do them the same day. The question here would be: Is it better to mix both exercises or to take specific days for each other?
The answer is pretty easy I think. For example, you go and play basketball with your friends and just after it you go to your football practice. Will you play football with the same energy you had when you where playing basketball? Answer is no. Same happens with weight lifting and cardio exercises; you will have less energy on the second one and will lose important exercise. I would definitely say that it is better to alternate workouts and fully concentrate on each of them than to do one the right way and not the other; if you know what I mean; however it is not wrong to complete your strength workout and do some cardio after it just to burn a few more calories.
It is important to know how to exercise in a proportional way so that you look good and fit, if you are working out in a gym ask a trainer to teach you how to use each of the gym machines and get some recommendations, after all they are the experts.

[gaias child]

As far as proponents of the 100% raw vegan diet go i think David Jubb has fantastic knowledge of human biology. Much more so than the likes of Wolfe and Cousens etc.

But even he has something to sell...

I agree, he is doing a lecture in London on 19 August. He actually hates raw vegan diets, he promotes a life food diet which has not that much in common actually. He only sells a few products and having tried them can say they are the best I've tried

[al209]

He actually hates raw vegan diets, he promotes a life food diet which has not that much in common actually. He only sells a few products and having tried them can say they are the best I've triedWell i have all of Jubbs books (well, 1st 3 anyway) and i think basing ones diet solely around uncooked vegetable matter and avoiding all animal produce counts as a raw vegan diet. OK Its not the dried-superfood-same-vibrations-as-the-sun-dude David Wolfe style raw vegan, but its raw vegan. Unless he is back recommending goats whey again??

I would be interested in trying his probiotic formula, if he wasnt charging £80 a tub

[jorn87]

Ive been raw for 2.5 years, and im happy with it..

i just watch ''Dan The Liferegenerator'' on youtube.

and Read Gabriel Cousins.

[hypnoticspectre]

i just watch ''Dan The Liferegenerator'' on youtube.

good ole Dan the Man with the Masta Plan. :)

He is a good bloke but he still has a very thin frame, i dont doubt hes healthy, but even Bruce lee ate eggs, just sayin..

[outelligent]

RAW is good

[mhiguel]

Anyone has nice tips how to marinade/spice raw beef?

[gaias child]

Well i have all of Jubbs books (well, 1st 3 anyway) and i think basing ones diet solely around uncooked vegetable matter and avoiding all animal produce counts as a raw vegan diet. OK Its not the dried-superfood-same-vibrations-as-the-sun-dude David Wolfe style raw vegan, but its raw vegan. Unless he is back recommending goats whey again??

I would be interested in trying his probiotic formula, if he wasnt charging £80 a tub

You can probably get it cheaper after all it comes for free from the earth, from what i can gather he spent a long time searching with some advanced telescope type thing, i can't remember the correct name. A friend of mine bought some alaskan dirt (whichi s also humic) and has sent it off to be tested for safety.

[al209]

You can probably get it cheaper after all it comes for free from the earth, from what i can gather he spent a long time searching with some advanced telescope type thing, i can't remember the correct name. A friend of mine bought some alaskan dirt (whichi s also humic) and has sent it off to be tested for safety.
Like i say, i cant help but like Dr. Jubb. Im not sure i agree with everything he says these days though. He should definitely be more judicious with his use of crop tops thats for sure!

[allure]

Dan McDonald has been a raw vegan for I think 11 years and in that video a few months ago where he went to true north health center he was tested and was NOT deficient in any vitamins, not even vitamin b12.

You don't have to directly consume b12 because a healthy body will make it itself. The body is constantly converting chemistry to get what it needs.

Humans do not need to eat meat, for any reason whatsoever. We can, and if you enjoy it and don't want to stop, then go right ahead and eat it. I'd rather not tho as I'm healthier without it.