Madeline Sacrafice

[jinjo5]

I agree.
This thread is no better than a
Tabloid newspaper.
I hope Madeleine is found safe and well.
I'm outta this thread.
Totally agree reppie,phoebe.....the words Head,banging and brick wall come to mind.
Im outta here too,cant do with the idiocy on this thread anymore.

[phildee3]

"Cast a cold eye on life, on death; - horseman pass by." visionary, W.B.Yates.

Death to this world is birth into the otherworld; and vice versa.
Madeline is alive.
Madeline is dead.
What difference does it make?
She is both.
This is the twilight zone;
and the veil between the worlds is dissolving.

According to anthropologists:
i) When the monarch (or deity) is sacrificed and consumed, the idea is that they then live in us and us in them.
ii) Humans haven't changed since prehistoric times. Only our technology has.

[jinjo5]

and behind the candles, a stack of 11 plates; - next to a stack of five plates behind an inverted, blue star/pentagram (also suspended in mid-air).
Ha-ha-ha....ok,just a few more last words....you actually believe what youre saying,dont you?
Youre a fool mate,but youre not alone................
In all my days ive never heard so much CRAP!!!
Now im going,bye,enjoy yourself.

[graflok]

OK then, we're back to the Maddie thread now ...

[phildee3]

The church of Nossa Senhora da Luz (Our Lady of the Light), does this have symbolic status in the Illuminati as to positioning.?.. Praia De Luz is supposed to mean 'Beach Of Light' but this was the local church.:confused:

Beach of Light?
Our Lady of Light??
How can the truth not come out eventually?!!

[magicmerlin]

While you may argue that some posts may be verging on looking for something that isn't there.....at the same time those denying there is something amiss with this case can be equally questioned. If you go along with the media portrayal of this, then you must equally trust what you are told about food, health, iraq, 'climate change' etc, because this seems just as contrived.

[magicmerlin]

While you may argue that some posts may be verging on looking for something that isn't there.....at the same time those denying there is something amiss with this case can be equally questioned. If you go along with the media portrayal of this, then you must equally trust what you are told about food, health, iraq, 'climate change' etc, because this seems just as contrived.


Quotes from 1978:

"There is a degree of freemasonry that means witchcraft. The person must become Luciferian.... The individual in the 33rd degree to make himself, prove himself worthy to be a true Luciferian, he must murder another person.... Therefore, to follow Lucifer, these Luciferians insist, to become a 33rd degree Mason, you must follow through in this secret rite and ritual of witchcraft."


"There is a group in the United States and the world, a group that started many years ago, calling itself the Illuminati, coming from the word 'light bearer.' Naturally, My children, this light that they bear stands for Lucifer, and as such they have gone through the world secretly known as Luciferians. They have brought into your country, the United States, and your neighbor Canada, a group of witchcraft practices.
"Well have they laid their plan to destroy your children with drugs, using your school systems, your medias of communication, your newspapers, your televisions, your radios: every means of communication has been infiltrated by the members and submembers of the Illuminati, a conglomeration of individuals and powers and principalities throughout the world, and banking systems. As you well know, My children, money has always been the root of all evil, and many have sold their souls to get to the head.
"Parents, I ask you now to remove from your home all agents or significations relating to the agents and forces of hell--Lucifer and his demons now loosed upon earth. Because you are not accepting the graces given to you from Heaven, parents, you are not aware that your children are being brainwashed by Lucifer. He sends into your homes music. You accept these to make your children happy, but there is a power called witchcraft. Do not laugh as I tell you this. It is here, it is now, and it is powerful, even unto the death of a human being. It is a group that is using religion as a front "

[siliconpsychosis]

In regand to finding meaning in apparent randomness, I feel that we must try to remember that this concept may well fit the model of the universe.

If everything is truly connected, something which is presently being verified in quantum physics, and, if cause and effect can ripple through time, both forwards and backwards, then I would assume that syncronicities would be common place.

In the case of Madeleine McCanns disappearence, I would expect the whole incident to ripple through time, leaving traces of itself in an infinite number of ways. Photographs could become embedded with the ripple of the future event (disappearence), such as leaving traces of itself through symbolism. Supposing that Madeleines parents are somehow responsible for her disappearence, their acts could again leave traces of itself back into the past.

What I am saying is that when we find meaning in the most obscure places, instead of dismissing this as either a coincidence or simply unlikely to be engineered by Lizard Corp, perhaps we should be thinking that it is being engineered by the collective consciousness of all things.

In essence any coincidences we identify could be echoes of the future event spilling into the past.

[peachped]

In regand to finding meaning in apparent randomness, I feel that we must try to remember that this concept may well fit the model of the universe.

If everything is truly connected, something which is presently being verified in quantum physics, and, if cause and effect can ripple through time, both forwards and backwards, then I would assume that syncronicities would be common place.

In the case of Madeleine McCanns disappearence, I would expect the whole incident to ripple through time, leaving traces of itself in an infinite number of ways. Photographs could become embedded with the ripple of the future event (disappearence), such as leaving traces of itself through symbolism. Supposing that Madeleines parents are somehow responsible for her disappearence, their acts could again leave traces of itself back into the past.

What I am saying is that when we find meaning in the most obscure places, instead of dismissing this as either a coincidence or simply unlikely to be engineered by Lizard Corp, perhaps we should be thinking that it is being engineered by the collective consciousness of all things.

In essence any coincidences we identify could be echoes of the future event spilling into the past.


Wyrd! :)

[siliconpsychosis]

Furthermore, on that basis, the exact details of what happened to Madeleine may be embedded in the past. So if we keep looking at and beyond the evidence, we may well find the truth.

(this comment was added later) The film Gone Baby Gone may be evidence for this hypothesis. Perhaps the events that happened on the night that Madeleine disappeared, richocheted into the past and inspired someone to write the script for the real future event before it had actually happened.

[whitenight639]

In essence any coincidences we identify could be echoes of the future event spilling into the past.

Thats worthy of a signature!!

[julieray]

While you may argue that some posts may be verging on looking for something that isn't there.....at the same time those denying there is something amiss with this case can be equally questioned. If you go along with the media portrayal of this, then you must equally trust what you are told about food, health, iraq, 'climate change' etc, because this seems just as contrived.


Quotes from 1978:

"There is a degree of freemasonry that means witchcraft. The person must become Luciferian.... The individual in the 33rd degree to make himself, prove himself worthy to be a true Luciferian, he must murder another person.... Therefore, to follow Lucifer, these Luciferians insist, to become a 33rd degree Mason, you must follow through in this secret rite and ritual of witchcraft."


"There is a group in the United States and the world, a group that started many years ago, calling itself the Illuminati, coming from the word 'light bearer.' Naturally, My children, this light that they bear stands for Lucifer, and as such they have gone through the world secretly known as Luciferians. They have brought into your country, the United States, and your neighbor Canada, a group of witchcraft practices.
"Well have they laid their plan to destroy your children with drugs, using your school systems, your medias of communication, your newspapers, your televisions, your radios: every means of communication has been infiltrated by the members and submembers of the Illuminati, a conglomeration of individuals and powers and principalities throughout the world, and banking systems. As you well know, My children, money has always been the root of all evil, and many have sold their souls to get to the head.
"Parents, I ask you now to remove from your home all agents or significations relating to the agents and forces of hell--Lucifer and his demons now loosed upon earth. Because you are not accepting the graces given to you from Heaven, parents, you are not aware that your children are being brainwashed by Lucifer. He sends into your homes music. You accept these to make your children happy, but there is a power called witchcraft. Do not laugh as I tell you this. It is here, it is now, and it is powerful, even unto the death of a human being. It is a group that is using religion as a front "

Who is this group that are using Religion as a front??? I thought Religion as a whole was being used as a front, not just one group?? Could you please enlighten here?? Thank you.

[siliconpsychosis]

According to this site,

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/news/tm_headline=couple-suffer-a-bad-press&method=full&objectid=19753522&siteid=66633-name_page.html

Retired detective Jose Barra da Costa told Portuguese TV that Kate and Gerry McCann were "swingers".

Would he risk ruining his reputation by saying something like this?

I wonder if he really meant to say that the McCanns are lizard worshipping psychopaths, but thought better of it and toned the accusation a little by referring to the McCanns as swingers.

One more point regarding the film Gone Baby Gone. The media bombarding people with the real missing Madeleine acts as a fantastic piece of free promotion for the film. Maybe Lizard corp have decided to make real life promotions for future films, which reduces marketing costs and cranks up collective fear all in one swoop. Clever slimy sods.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

While you may argue that some posts may be verging on looking for something that isn't there.....at the same time those denying there is something amiss with this case can be equally questioned. If you go along with the media portrayal of this, then you must equally trust what you are told about food, health, iraq, 'climate change' etc, because this seems just as contrived.


By the very nature of your definition you create the inverse parody in that ANYTHING the media does say is not true and must contain some form of conspiracy within.

Why is it less likely that Kate accidentally gave her child some sleeping pills and tried to cover up the mess rather than it be one of the many conspiracy options outlined in David Icke's books? i.e. Illuminati Reptilian Blood Sacrifice Ritual or Mind Controlled Slaves. Or tying her to JFK because their scottish family name is Kennedy somewhere down the line.

This is not good, alternative thinking that's going on. It's repeating what you've read in someone else's books and it's the opposite end of the spectrum to tabloid journalism.

Go with the evidence! There is no evidence in any of the bullshit conjecture here.

[father ted]

By the very nature of your definition you create the inverse parody in that ANYTHING the media does say is not true and must contain some form of conspiracy within.

Why is it less likely that Kate accidentally gave her child some sleeping pills and tried to cover up the mess rather than it be one of the many conspiracy options outlined in David Icke's books? i.e. Illuminati Reptilian Blood Sacrifice Ritual or Mind Controlled Slaves. Or tying her to JFK because their scottish family name is Kennedy somewhere down the line.

This is not good, alternative thinking that's going on. It's repeating what you've read in someone else's books and it's the opposite end of the spectrum to tabloid journalism.

Go with the evidence! There is no evidence in any of the bullshit conjecture here.

Because it's been blown out of all proportions.

[phildee3]

In regand to finding meaning in apparent randomness, I feel that we must try to remember that this concept may well fit the model of the universe.

If everything is truly connected, something which is presently being verified in quantum physics, and, if cause and effect can ripple through time, both forwards and backwards, then I would assume that syncronicities would be common place.

In the case of Madeleine McCanns disappearence, I would expect the whole incident to ripple through time, leaving traces of itself in an infinite number of ways. Photographs could become embedded with the ripple of the future event (disappearence), such as leaving traces of itself through symbolism. Supposing that Madeleines parents are somehow responsible for her disappearence, their acts could again leave traces of itself back into the past.

What I am saying is that when we find meaning in the most obscure places, instead of dismissing this as either a coincidence or simply unlikely to be engineered by Lizard Corp, perhaps we should be thinking that it is being engineered by the collective consciousness of all things.

In essence any coincidences we identify could be echoes of the future event spilling into the past.

This is not weird at all, peachped. It is exactly what's happening.
Well done siliconpsychosis for putting into words what I was unable to.
I suggest y'all read this again carefully, along with sp's subsequent post.

[lostinstrangeworld]

In regand to finding meaning in apparent randomness, I feel that we must try to remember that this concept may well fit the model of the universe.

If everything is truly connected, something which is presently being verified in quantum physics, and, if cause and effect can ripple through time, both forwards and backwards, then I would assume that syncronicities would be common place.

In the case of Madeleine McCanns disappearence, I would expect the whole incident to ripple through time, leaving traces of itself in an infinite number of ways. Photographs could become embedded with the ripple of the future event (disappearence), such as leaving traces of itself through symbolism. Supposing that Madeleines parents are somehow responsible for her disappearence, their acts could again leave traces of itself back into the past.

What I am saying is that when we find meaning in the most obscure places, instead of dismissing this as either a coincidence or simply unlikely to be engineered by Lizard Corp, perhaps we should be thinking that it is being engineered by the collective consciousness of all things.

In essence any coincidences we identify could be echoes of the future event spilling into the past.

:)

[magicmerlin]

By the very nature of your definition you create the inverse parody in that ANYTHING the media does say is not true and must contain some form of conspiracy within.

Why is it less likely that Kate accidentally gave her child some sleeping pills and tried to cover up the mess rather than it be one of the many conspiracy options outlined in David Icke's books? i.e. Illuminati Reptilian Blood Sacrifice Ritual or Mind Controlled Slaves. Or tying her to JFK because their scottish family name is Kennedy somewhere down the line.

This is not good, alternative thinking that's going on. It's repeating what you've read in someone else's books and it's the opposite end of the spectrum to tabloid journalism.

Go with the evidence! There is no evidence in any of the bullshit conjecture here.

Reptilianshapeshifter, by the same token, why is it why is it less likely that this isn't a conspiracy and not sleeping pills? You may tell us, 'because such ideas are ridiculous', but by that concept so is the very idea of existance, because if you deeply consider the nature of reality it's a miracle.

Everyone is enitled to a view on this and obviously we disagree. However, I will explain my perspective for you. For me the news is about as predictable as an episode of the day time soap, Neighbours. The media is an extremely well oiled 'machine', and it sometimes looks like it's scripted months in advance, in order to fit an agenda. For example, in 2006 it was all about terror in the UK - London bombings, fear, fear, fear. Then sudenly in 2007, 'climate change' exploded in order to implement new taxes and instill more fear. Now it has been Maddy, this most extradorinary scenario - why has the Maddy case received such media attention, please answer this for me? There was a little boy shot dead in Liverpool a few weeks ago and they have not found his killers - his case was in the news for hardly any time compared to this.

I would also ask why people come on this website if they follow the official media coverage (yes not everything is a conspiracy, but what exactly are your views on the world and the 'illumanati'?). I hope that I don't offend anyone, but most people who follow the official media are 'sheep', and they beleive ANYTHING they see on television. I'm not joking here, most people do not think and the media knows this! Why is it that ALL mainstream media follow exactly the same story? In effect, the media is similar to a political dictatorship, where there is only one party.

I have a challenge for you (unfortunately you probably don't have the funds available for this lol): make a new TV news channel and get it into the mainstream - report about chemtrails, alternative maddy news etc etc - see how long you last (not that you will ever be allowed to broadcast) and you will see the truth for yourself. There is one agenda and there will ONLY BE ONE way it is reported.

[illuminotti]

She was certainly not taken for a satanic ritual, have you guys actually researched about the mccanns? they are more well connected to the government than gordon brown himself!! don't mean to be offensive, have a dig around about them,

[magicmerlin]

Please enlighten us on that connection - personally although I started this tread with a 'sacraficial' theme, I just think that there is some agenda behind it, sacraficial, political....or something other than 'normal'.

Furthermore, why does being connected to the government mean it couldn't be sacraficial?

[reptilianshapeshifter]

magicmerlin, why I don't take any offence to your views or opinions, for me, what you say comes down to a more philosophical view of things rather than just going with the evidence.

The madeleine case has gotten so much exposure because it's about a "missing" girl, not someone who has died. The ball started rolling when the McCanns began to do everything they could to manipulate the media into covering their stories and as it always happens the media give them their fun in the sun and then begin manipulating them. It's a very usual story. A dead liverpudlian boy is done and dusted. As cold as that sounds but no one really cares. A missing girl snatched from her "loving" parents in portugal is a hearbreaking story. Maybe it has something to do with hope and no human coldness. There is no hope for a dead boy but there is hope that Madeleine will be found and reunited with her parents.

Ironically, all the evidence and pictures and sources in this entire thread are from official sources and the biggest source of information being The Daily Mail. You find that ironic? I do.

You say about starting a TV channel reporting Chemtrails and the like but what is there to report when i have asked direct questions on this subject in this very forum and not one single person has given me an answer of any value. Other than looking at white streams in the sky not one person here has managed to tell me with any minor (never mind major) evidence of exactly what chemicals are in chemtrails. They cannot provide evidence from the natural environment showing what has changed and they cannot provide any evidence of increased disease in so called spray areas. Why is that? Because they are too busy looking up in the sky and pointing fingers and spreading stories than actually doing any ground work based on that dirty word "scientific" basis. Such contempt for science considering your entire lives benefit from it. But yes, that is another story for the benefits and destruction caused by the scientific community. The reason people don't know is because they condemn science and logical thinking and go on the basis of "my intuition" or just knowing. That is not a reasonable argument for anything as everyone's intuition is different. That is why, the more I get involved with people on this forum and hear their opinions and "evidence" I begin to move further and further away from the work in DI's books and begin to understand that people are becoming part of another uniform way of thinking. Another dogma. Another prison mindset. It's not free thinking to put a conspiracy on everything you come across because it's from official sources. It's another opposame as believing everything you see on TV.

I want the truth but I don't make up my mind on what that truth is and then start looking for the evidence to confirm it.

People should be looking at these cases and thinking "where does the evidence take me?" That is a critical and unbiased analysis. But rather I feel people are starting out with "ooh i read about satanic ritual sacrifice in david's books. Let's see if this case as any evidence of that!"

When i read DI's books I was more open to the possibilities of these things having a basis of existence but the more I read from the majority of people in here the easier it is for me to understand the mindset of "conspiracy investigators" and the further I depart from it. While I feel the majority of people here become brothers-in-arms and are too busy clapping each other on the back for "waking up" and not being a sheeple. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I have had my signature for a long time now and not one person has every commented on it. I think that the signature I chose sums up a lot (from all sides of the coin).

[fransetter]

[QUOTE=reptilianshapeshifter;125886]That is why, the more I get involved with people on this forum and hear their opinions and "evidence" I begin to move further and further away from the work in DI's books and begin to understand that people are becoming part of another uniform way of thinking. Another dogma. Another prison mindset. It's not free thinking to put a conspiracy on everything you come across because it's from official sources. It's another opposame as believing everything you see on TV.

I want the truth but I don't make up my mind on what that truth is and then start looking for the evidence to confirm it.

People should be looking at these cases and thinking "where does the evidence take me?" That is a critical and unbiased analysis. But rather I feel people are starting out with "ooh i read about satanic ritual sacrifice in david's books. Let's see if this case as any evidence of that!"


Very well put indeed. :)

She may not have been sacrificed, but there are some exceptionally strange things going on around the whole case, which demands an open mind to ALL possibilities.

I see a lot of closed minds, not just on this thread, but on the forum in general.

The truth as I see it at the moment, is that nobody knows! All we know is that there are a set of players, including the media, who are making a fortune out of it all! Again, making it a very odd case.

[mentalogirl]

magicmerlin, why I don't take any offence to your views or opinions, for me, what you say comes down to a more philosophical view of things rather than just going with the evidence.

The madeleine case has gotten so much exposure because it's about a "missing" girl, not someone who has died. The ball started rolling when the McCanns began to do everything they could to manipulate the media into covering their stories and as it always happens the media give them their fun in the sun and then begin manipulating them. It's a very usual story. A dead liverpudlian boy is done and dusted. As cold as that sounds but no one really cares. A missing girl snatched from her "loving" parents in portugal is a hearbreaking story. Maybe it has something to do with hope and no human coldness. There is no hope for a dead boy but there is hope that Madeleine will be found and reunited with her parents.

Ironically, all the evidence and pictures and sources in this entire thread are from official sources and the biggest source of information being The Daily Mail. You find that ironic? I do.

You say about starting a TV channel reporting Chemtrails and the like but what is there to report when i have asked direct questions on this subject in this very forum and not one single person has given me an answer of any value. Other than looking at white streams in the sky not one person here has managed to tell me with any minor (never mind major) evidence of exactly what chemicals are in chemtrails. They cannot provide evidence from the natural environment showing what has changed and they cannot provide any evidence of increased disease in so called spray areas. Why is that? Because they are too busy looking up in the sky and pointing fingers and spreading stories than actually doing any ground work based on that dirty word "scientific" basis. Such contempt for science considering your entire lives benefit from it. But yes, that is another story for the benefits and destruction caused by the scientific community. The reason people don't know is because they condemn science and logical thinking and go on the basis of "my intuition" or just knowing. That is not a reasonable argument for anything as everyone's intuition is different. That is why, the more I get involved with people on this forum and hear their opinions and "evidence" I begin to move further and further away from the work in DI's books and begin to understand that people are becoming part of another uniform way of thinking. Another dogma. Another prison mindset. It's not free thinking to put a conspiracy on everything you come across because it's from official sources. It's another opposame as believing everything you see on TV.

I want the truth but I don't make up my mind on what that truth is and then start looking for the evidence to confirm it.

People should be looking at these cases and thinking "where does the evidence take me?" That is a critical and unbiased analysis. But rather I feel people are starting out with "ooh i read about satanic ritual sacrifice in david's books. Let's see if this case as any evidence of that!"

When i read DI's books I was more open to the possibilities of these things having a basis of existence but the more I read from the majority of people in here the easier it is for me to understand the mindset of "conspiracy investigators" and the further I depart from it. While I feel the majority of people here become brothers-in-arms and are too busy clapping each other on the back for "waking up" and not being a sheeple. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I have had my signature for a long time now and not one person has every commented on it. I think that the signature I chose sums up a lot (from all sides of the coin).

I agree with a lot of what you say,RS.

I don't,however,discard the following possible scenario:

Parents go through hell whilst their daughter is missing,their careers seemingly ruined and their names smeared forever.
Then the little girl is found alive,or dead,the person who abducted/killed her is also found,and it turns out the parents had nothing to do with it.

The outcome of all this is a DNA database(it would have been much easier to determine the McCanns' involvement had this been implemented before) and the microchipping of children being put forward and people accepting it as a natural thing.

Whether the parents are in on this deal,knowing that it'll be OK on the day,is obviously just speculation.

[john white]

interesting info in this story from todays Daily Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481862&in_page_id=1811

The haunting parallels between the 'dingo baby' and missing Madeleine

by RICHARD SHEARS - More by this author »

Last updated at 11:38am on 15th September 2007

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A child snatched from her bed, a mother's anguished screams, vicious rumours and two families destroyed...the chilling similarities between the 'dingo baby' case and the McCanns


As Kate and Gerry McCann spend agonising days waiting to hear if they are to be charged with their daughter Madeleine's death, on the other side of the world another mother watches the case with more than a passing interest.

The mere mention of Lindy Chamberlain brings back memories of a missing child drama that gripped the world and remains a talking point to this day, 27 years laterThe now remarried Mrs Chamberlain-Creighton was at the centre of international focus when her baby Azaria vanished in the Australian desert while her family were on a camping holiday.

Despite the mother's claims that she had seen a dingo - a wild dog - running off with her daughter in its jaws, she became the victim of a vicious slur campaign and an intense police investigation.

The similarities between the disappearances of nine-week-old Azaria and four-year-old Madeleine are both striking and chilling.

If Lindy's nightmare is any guide, the McCanns can expect an even more torrid time than they have already experienced.

Lindy has followed every development at her home north of Sydney.

As a woman who was put through the wringer - reviled, charged with murder, jailed, then finally exonerated - she is perhaps the most credible of all observers to declare: "Don't rush to judge the McCanns."

She says: "This sounds like a mirror image of my experience, doesn't it?"

And in a reference to the aggressive questioning Mrs McCann has endured from police in Portugal, Lindy suggests they have been trying to set her up.

Their strategy, she says, is: "Lie and tell us you did it and you can go free. Tell us the truth and you can't."

The parallels between the two cases appear extraordinary, and not just because of doubt over the innocence of the parents.

The parents in each tragedy, all in their 30s, are attractive pillars of society.

The Chamberlains were a deeply religious couple in whom you would trust your soul; he, an evangelical church pastor and she, an active member of his congregation. The McCanns, both doctors, are devoutly religious professionals in whose hands you would put your life.

In scenes played out on opposite sides of the world nearly three decades apart, the parents were dining with friends as the child in question slept with her two fair-haired siblings.

The parents took turns to check on the children, the McCanns walking the 75 yards to their resort apartment from their restaurant table, the Chamberlains walking a little less from the camping ground barbecue area to check in the tent.

In Madeleine's case, one of the McCanns' friends says she saw a man carrying a child wrapped in a blanket near the apartment before she was found to be missing.

Lindy claimed to have seen the culprit in her daughter's disappearance - a dingo running off with the child in its jaws.

"They've taken her!" cried Kate running back to the restaurant.

"A dingo's got my baby!" cried Lindy running back to the barbecue table.

As fellow holidaymakers began a vain search of each surrounding area, the anguished mothers attracted worldwide sympathy - until events began to take a terrible turn and suspicion descended on them.


What followed next in each case leads to further astonishing comparisons.

There was no body in either case, no motive for a murder.

The police investigation appeared blundering and involved the search of a car with the alleged discovery of child's blood or fluids in the vehicle.

Both investigations involved an Englishman - a stranger - who became the centre of each inquiry.

In the McCann case this was Robert Murat, who briefly became a suspect after suspicions about his behaviour. In the Chamberlain case, it was a man called David Brett who, as we shall see, acted in an extraordinary manner.

Both cases involved calls by the local police for help from British forensic scientists.

And both resulted in images of a couple flashed round the world, a couple who try to maintain a normal life with their two remaining children as controversy and doubt rage all around them.

For each couple, the personal trauma deepens as the investigation continues. Police in Britain are attempting to seize a diary and a laptop from the McCanns, saying they may hold clues about Madeleine's disappearance.

In the Northern Territory in 1980, detectives raided the Chamberlains' house and took away the father's camera bag.

They believed Lindy had murdered the baby and that her husband had hidden the body in the bag before sneaking out of their motel room in the dead of night, driving to a lonely spot and burying the baby.

This has the same ring about it as the police claims emerging from Portugal, that Madeleine died, perhaps by accident, and the body was hidden before the couple finally drove her to a lonely place and buried her.

In the case of the Chamberlains, it was the mother who was accused of being the perpetrator while her husband was charged with being an accessory after the fact of murder.

We still haven't a clue what will happen in the Madeleine affair, but no one would wish upon any innocent parent the same trauma that consumed the Chamberlains.

It resulted in Lindy being sentenced to life in jail before her dramatic release, and later in the collapse of her marriage.

I was one of the first journalists to arrive at Ayers Rock when news emerged that a Seventh Day Adventist Pastor's baby had disappeared into the night, snatched from the holiday tent by a dingo.

How well I remember the Chamberlains standing with their other children, Reagan, four, and Aidan, six, in their arms as they spoke of their beloved daughter's plight - an image that came flooding back when I saw similar photos of the besieged McCanns holding their children.

Messages of sympathy for the Chamberlains flowed in from around the world as the search continued for the baby.

A week later, after the couple had left Ayers Rock, a tourist found Azaria's blood-stained jumpsuit near a dingo lair. Dingos were shot by rangers, but there was no sign of human remains in their stomachs.

More than a decade before DNA became accepted in police investigations, I attended the inquest into Azaria's presumed death.

Coroner Denis Barritt decided that Azaria had probably been taken by a dingo and, confusingly, that her body had later been removed from the animal by a human and disposed of "by an unknown method".

The finding did not satisfy police, who called for forensic help from the UK. Dr James Cameron from the London Hospital Medical College concluded from an ultra-violet scan of the jumpsuit that there was a bloody imprint of a small human hand, possibly a woman's, on the back of the clothing.

He believed the baby had been held while she was bleeding. Police seized the Chamberlains' car and found what they believed were traces of baby's blood in the bolts holding the passenger seat to the floor.

Cuts in the baby's jumpsuit that were initially thought to have been from the dingo's teeth were later claimed to have been made by scissors to make it look like a dingo attack - and this clearly implicated the Chamberlains.

Then a forensic scientist insisted that she had found a spray of baby's arterial blood in the footwell of the car. And there was no dingo saliva on the jumpsuit which, detectives claimed, should have been there if a dog had carried the baby away.

"But Azaria was wearing a little jacket over the jumpsuit," Lindy cried.

"Search and you'll find the jacket out there somewhere."

No jacket was found.

She was charged with murder, the Crown claiming that she had, for unstated reasons, sat with Azaria in the car and cut her throat, possibly with scissors. She was jailed for life, and her husband was given an 18-month suspended sentence.

They lost their subsequent appeals.

Four years after the trial, in an incredible breakthrough which received little publicity, British tourist David Brett was climbing Ayers Rock when he fell to his death.

Close by his body police discovered a partially-buried piece of clothing. It was the jacket Lindy said Azaria had been wearing.

Within days, Lindy was released from jail. Not only had the jacket been discovered, but the forensic scientist who claimed to have established there had been baby's blood in the car's footwell was found to have made a serious mistake - the substance was sound-deadening fluid.

The Chamberlains were exonerated by the Supreme Court and later received compensation estimated at £700,000.

They went on to receive more through media interviews, but their legal fees in their fight to clear their names were said to be in excess of £2million.

It was only later, as I was researching a book, that I discovered how extraordinary had been the involvement of David Brett, who came from Hartley in Kent, and was 31 when he fell to his death from the rock.

He was on his second visit to Australia, and planning to stay for three years. But in May 1985 he wrote to his mother and told her that "something strange" was happening to him.

Within a month, he was begging a church leader by the name of Pastor Michael Gabrielson to exorcise him because he claimed there was a demon in his stomach.

Pastor Gabrielson was convinced David was in the grip of an evil power, but was unable to "cleanse" him.

David moved into a flat in Sydney, and when he moved out again in January 1986, he left behind newspaper cuttings about Azaria's disappearance. He was next seen walking in a trance towards Ayers Rock in central Australia.

An Aboriginal couple saw him climbing the rock in an area where tourists are forbidden.

It was 8pm on Sunday January 26, 1986 - the same day of the week and time that Azaria vanished. His body was found the following Sunday.

The curious case of David Brett led to conspiracy theories.

Had someone brainwashed a mentally disturbed man to commit suicide at that very place so that the baby's jacket would be found close to where he landed?

If that was the case, who was behind it?

And why hadn't the little jacket been found when the baby disappeared, despite intensive searching around Ayers Rock?

The mystery was never solved.

To this day, despite the police case against the Chamberlains being totally discredited, there are many in Australia who still believe they were involved in their daughter's disappearance.

So it is to Lindy Chamberlain-Creighton that we should turn for how the McCanns might cope.

She's been there.

"There is no textbook to say 'This is how you handle it'," she says.

"All you can hope for is that you learn to swim and you don't get too many gulps of water while you are doing it."

[tiswas]

Well the fault lies with those Mccanns, You don't leave young kiddies home alone to go to the local tapas bar.:mad:

[julieray]

None of us can look at the hard facts/evidence of this case because we don't know if there is any actual evidence. Yes, there may be mention made in press and T.V. and the odd leak from official sources, but whose to say that that is true. We are not just jumping on the bandwagon looking for a conspiracy here, but the matter certainly points that way.

There is another 15 girl missing in UK - her parents got a press release to make an appeal and that was that! There has been no further updates or feedback or nothing. Yet we are being subjected to Missing Madeleine McCann constantly, raking up any old bit of rubbish in order to keep it in the public domain - now that is certainly strange. The only thing that David Icke has done is to make us all aware that the Illuminati are corrupt. We are all alert and know full well, that we are not always told the truth, so with that in mind, we are obviously questioning why it is that we are being hampered with this story.

There could well be a very simple explanation of what is going on, but then you must question, why all the attention then?? Why didn't this get just one day like everything else?? It is because we are being fed a very well thought out performance, most probably on all sides. If no-one can see this after everything that has happened here and are still hell bent on believing the snippets of rubbish being fed to us, then I give up!:(

If we all just ignored what is happening - they will have to change the scenery and I don't know about everyone else, but I am getting rather bored with it all now!!

[magicmerlin]

Reptilianshapeshifter, you make some interesting and intelligent points, which are indeed worth considering, because you're right that paranoid minds can become twisted to look at everything with 'dirt-tinted' glasses. In some respects I admit to being a little anti-media and to a degree paranoid that everything is against 'us'. HOWEVER, now I'm contradicitng myself because in some ways I feel vindicated to be paranoid (in which case perhaps I'm not paranoid, just 'awake').

In addition, I don't really read newspapers and this whole thread was started without any information from the media. With respect to this case being public because it is very emotive, isn't it ironic that the media manage tio select a case that is like a movie script, rather than a case which is solved quickly! There are other kids that go missing........and the media manage to pluck this one up and it turns into this....hmmmm.

By the way (sorry for digressing), I have a source of information which illustrates the power of certain groups in controlling the media. Prince William and Kate never split up - I posted that when it happened, it was a smoke screen and the media were told to do it because kate and her mother were so stressed by everything. In addition, do you know what Price Andrew's daughter looks like - ever seen her - the answer is probably not, and the reason is she has a certain medical impairment and is therefore kept out of the public eye. Can't say how I know this but it's 100% true. Just saying this because it illustrates how the media is controlled at a high level.

So reptillian my friend, I'm glad we can have a sensible debate over things....you're abviouly not a 'sheep' because you're thinking for yourself - I'll consider your ideas and I'm sure you will still keep an open mind - have you ever thought that by making everything into a conspiracy, the illumanati are manipulating you back into mainstram thinking though?

[illuminotti]

Magic, do you mean prince edwards daughter? thats dark ages keepin a child shut away because of an impairment!!

[pedsi]

Members on this thread are here to discuss and put forward their ideas and possible explanations as to whats going on with this case,I've not seen one post where someone is claiming to know what has hapened here only people coming forward with possible theories.So I cant understand why some members are banging on about...proof, evidence,evidence of proof,proof of evidence..... wher does it all end, get a grip for god sake.As with a lot of the things concerning world events and the like discussed on this forum there is no PROOF or EVIDENCE just open minded people who are able to think and see things a bit differently.One doesn't need to see proof when one feels something to be true.

[jinjo5]

magicmerlin, why I don't take any offence to your views or opinions, for me, what you say comes down to a more philosophical view of things rather than just going with the evidence.

The madeleine case has gotten so much exposure because it's about a "missing" girl, not someone who has died. The ball started rolling when the McCanns began to do everything they could to manipulate the media into covering their stories and as it always happens the media give them their fun in the sun and then begin manipulating them. It's a very usual story. A dead liverpudlian boy is done and dusted. As cold as that sounds but no one really cares. A missing girl snatched from her "loving" parents in portugal is a hearbreaking story. Maybe it has something to do with hope and no human coldness. There is no hope for a dead boy but there is hope that Madeleine will be found and reunited with her parents.

Ironically, all the evidence and pictures and sources in this entire thread are from official sources and the biggest source of information being The Daily Mail. You find that ironic? I do.

You say about starting a TV channel reporting Chemtrails and the like but what is there to report when i have asked direct questions on this subject in this very forum and not one single person has given me an answer of any value. Other than looking at white streams in the sky not one person here has managed to tell me with any minor (never mind major) evidence of exactly what chemicals are in chemtrails. They cannot provide evidence from the natural environment showing what has changed and they cannot provide any evidence of increased disease in so called spray areas. Why is that? Because they are too busy looking up in the sky and pointing fingers and spreading stories than actually doing any ground work based on that dirty word "scientific" basis. Such contempt for science considering your entire lives benefit from it. But yes, that is another story for the benefits and destruction caused by the scientific community. The reason people don't know is because they condemn science and logical thinking and go on the basis of "my intuition" or just knowing. That is not a reasonable argument for anything as everyone's intuition is different. That is why, the more I get involved with people on this forum and hear their opinions and "evidence" I begin to move further and further away from the work in DI's books and begin to understand that people are becoming part of another uniform way of thinking. Another dogma. Another prison mindset. It's not free thinking to put a conspiracy on everything you come across because it's from official sources. It's another opposame as believing everything you see on TV.

I want the truth but I don't make up my mind on what that truth is and then start looking for the evidence to confirm it.

People should be looking at these cases and thinking "where does the evidence take me?" That is a critical and unbiased analysis. But rather I feel people are starting out with "ooh i read about satanic ritual sacrifice in david's books. Let's see if this case as any evidence of that!"

When i read DI's books I was more open to the possibilities of these things having a basis of existence but the more I read from the majority of people in here the easier it is for me to understand the mindset of "conspiracy investigators" and the further I depart from it. While I feel the majority of people here become brothers-in-arms and are too busy clapping each other on the back for "waking up" and not being a sheeple. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I have had my signature for a long time now and not one person has every commented on it. I think that the signature I chose sums up a lot (from all sides of the coin).
Excellent post reppie,my thoughts wholeheartedly,but you put it in a better way than i ever could.....Ooops,gunna get accused of back-slapping now.:D
When i first joined this forum,my very first one,i thought it was going to be exciting to find out other peoples thoughts n opinions.
Since though,i think its degenerated into,as you say....'another dogma',another mindset'.
Any slight suspicious happening in the world is instantly attributed to something read in David icke's books without an ounce of thought for any other explanation and people are competing with each other to come up with the wackiest theory.
That's why i get so annoyed with the maddy pictures put up on here,none worse than the birthday cake in the kitchen one,the comments on the "symbolism" in that picture were the pinnacle of stupidity.
Yes,i think this site has turned into a religion itself.....'what is said on the DI forum must be true' and the outside real world are stupid sheep who know nothing.
Not true,i find people are very aware,especially politically aware,people know when they are trying to be manipulated by government,but mention lizards and the rest and that's when you might get the funny looks.
Anyway,this site has become enclosed,"if you dont believe in the more extreme views then you arent really a member and youre a sheep".,how arrogant is that?.....its very cliquey on this site and they know who they are without mentioning names.
You have to remember its only a forum,its not the be and end all,youd have to be incredibly arrogant or stupid to think that all the answers to our existence and the universe are somehow going to be found here....sounds like religion,doesnt it?

[hilary upstart]

Here's something that I find strange; the BBC programme " The inspector Linley mysteries " was taken taken off and replaced by a repeat as a mark of respect to the McCann's. Why ? What could it have contained that was so offensive ? Or what was it they didn't want us to see. Does anyone here know what the plot contained ?

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Members on this thread are here to discuss and put forward their ideas and possible explanations as to whats going on with this case,I've not seen one post where someone is claiming to know what has hapened here only people coming forward with possible theories.So I cant understand why some members are banging on about...proof, evidence,evidence of proof,proof of evidence..... wher does it all end, get a grip for god sake.As with a lot of the things concerning world events and the like discussed on this forum there is no PROOF or EVIDENCE just open minded people who are able to think and see things a bit differently.One doesn't need to see proof when one feels something to be true.

I'll start here first :D Anyone can come up with a theory based on very little fact. Do you want to congratulate people on that? Plausibility isn't even coming into it and I see not the need to give someone a gold star for thinking outside of the box. There's outside of the box and then there's so far outside the box you've entered a completely other reality.

I'd be interested to come to this board if my life ever ended up on parade. I'd certainly know from my point of view what was right and what was wrong and what was way off the mark. And even then people would only say I was under mind control and wouldn't know the difference anyway.:D

You say "One doesn't need to see proof when one feels something to be true." Are you telling me there has never been any event (family, friends or otherwise) when you've felt something to be so and then the truth has come out and you've been way off the mark? Never any instance when you've summed up the behaviour of others around you that you've jumped to a conclusion that turned out to be wrong?

[pedsi]

You say "One doesn't need to see proof when one feels something to be true." Are you telling me there has never been any event (family, friends or otherwise) when you've felt something to be so and then the truth has come out and you've been way off the mark? Never any instance when you've summed up the behaviour of others around you that you've jumped to a conclusion that turned out to be wrong?

yes there has...whats your point.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Reptilianshapeshifter, you make some interesting and intelligent points, which are indeed worth considering, because you're right that paranoid minds can become twisted to look at everything with 'dirt-tinted' glasses. In some respects I admit to being a little anti-media and to a degree paranoid that everything is against 'us'. HOWEVER, now I'm contradicitng myself because in some ways I feel vindicated to be paranoid (in which case perhaps I'm not paranoid, just 'awake').

In addition, I don't really read newspapers and this whole thread was started without any information from the media. With respect to this case being public because it is very emotive, isn't it ironic that the media manage tio select a case that is like a movie script, rather than a case which is solved quickly! There are other kids that go missing........and the media manage to pluck this one up and it turns into this....hmmmm.

By the way (sorry for digressing), I have a source of information which illustrates the power of certain groups in controlling the media. Prince William and Kate never split up - I posted that when it happened, it was a smoke screen and the media were told to do it because kate and her mother were so stressed by everything. In addition, do you know what Price Andrew's daughter looks like - ever seen her - the answer is probably not, and the reason is she has a certain medical impairment and is therefore kept out of the public eye. Can't say how I know this but it's 100% true. Just saying this because it illustrates how the media is controlled at a high level.

So reptillian my friend, I'm glad we can have a sensible debate over things....you're abviouly not a 'sheep' because you're thinking for yourself - I'll consider your ideas and I'm sure you will still keep an open mind - have you ever thought that by making everything into a conspiracy, the illumanati are manipulating you back into mainstram thinking though?

You make points and assumptions that are certainly credible and not without basis. The media fiasco over this case has been paramount and yes it begs the question and we must ask why. I am not sticking up for the media at all. I know they are bent as a ribbon.


" have you ever thought that by making everything into a conspiracy, the illumanati are manipulating you back into mainstram thinking though?"

It goes through my mind every day that it's a vicious circle! :D But again, it's a philosophical conundrum for me.

My problem with the illuminati aspect is that it is TOO SIMPLE. It simplifies and dumbs down events and people that when you consider the size of the planet and variety of life I still find it impossible to fathom. We are to believe that everything from governments to economics to schooling to farming to healthcare to the media EVERYTHING you can possibly imagine is linked and control by a tiny tiny few in such a clever and vicious way that it actually works. If it were truly this way our enslavement would be done and dusted many many years ago.

There is corruption, sickness, good and bad in the world without a doubt and I am more inclined to think that the sum of these parts is what makes things so bad.

I know what I have said there is a very simplified and summed up version and even I myself could play Devil's Advocate and say "what about this and this" when it comes to the existence of the illuminati but i don't have the time or energy to dissect it piece by piece today. :D

[jinjo5]

I'll start here first :D Anyone can come up with a theory based on very little fact. Do you want to congratulate people on that? Plausibility isn't even coming into it and I see not the need to give someone a gold star for thinking outside of the box. There's outside of the box and then there's so far outside the box you've entered a completely other reality.

I'd be interested to come to this board if my life ever ended up on parade. I'd certainly know from my point of view what was right and what was wrong and what was way off the mark. And even then people would only say I was under mind control and wouldn't know the difference anyway.:D

You say "One doesn't need to see proof when one feels something to be true." Are you telling me there has never been any event (family, friends or otherwise) when you've felt something to be so and then the truth has come out and you've been way off the mark? Never any instance when you've summed up the behaviour of others around you that you've jumped to a conclusion that turned out to be wrong?
There is a saying reppie in the UK....."Things are never as bad as you think they are"......personally speaking,i started a new job on monday and on sunday night i was crapping myself,all sorts of things were going through my mind.
But,at the end of monday,you wondered why you got so scared..........the reality is ALWAYS different from what you think or imagine.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

yes there has...whats your point.

Well I thought my point was entirely obvious. Your intuition can be wrong. You can be wrong about a sequence of events leading up to a consequence. So by saying "yes" to that question you are contradicting yourself when you say you need now prove when you feel something to be wrong. Had you say "no, my intuition has always been right in these situations", then I had nothing more to argue with :D

[reptilianshapeshifter]

There is a saying reppie in the UK....."Things are never as bad as you think they are"......personally speaking,i started a new job on monday and on sunday night i was crapping myself,all sorts of things were going through my mind.
But,at the end of monday,you wondered why you got so scared..........the reality is ALWAYS different from what you think or imagine.

Exactly.

Today I took my kids out, had a lovely time and now I am soon ready to make them Apple Pie and a fresh dinner tonight. LIfe isn't that hideously shit for us banging on our keyboards. I know life is worse for some people around they world but it's also what you make of it. There are maybe poorer people around the globe in what we see as impossible situations that might even be emotionally better off than we are.

[pedsi]

show me a man whos never wrong and ill show you a liar

[reptilianshapeshifter]

show me a man whos never wrong and ill show you a liar

I think you are missing the point or purposely evading what I have written. You don't comment on what I have to say as a whole, only pick out part of the pieces you feel you can throw back at me as if that discredits what I have to say.

That's just my intuition of course :D And I don't mean that as a personal attack, just an observation.

[jinjo5]

Members on this thread are here to discuss and put forward their ideas and possible explanations as to whats going on with this case,I've not seen one post where someone is claiming to know what has hapened here only people coming forward with possible theories.So I cant understand why some members are banging on about...proof, evidence,evidence of proof,proof of evidence..... wher does it all end, get a grip for god sake.As with a lot of the things concerning world events and the like discussed on this forum there is no PROOF or EVIDENCE just open minded people who are able to think and see things a bit differently.One doesn't need to see proof when one feels something to be true.
Agree to some point pedsi,but also that does not mean that cos there is no proof or evidence that people can invent silly explanations,isnt it better to keep your feet on the ground and then change your view depending on proof,evidence.
Two candles on a kid's birthday cake is representative of the twin towers,now that isnt proof or evidence of anything.
....its just shite thinking,in my opinion.

[pedsi]

Agree to some point pedsi,but also that does not mean that cos there is no proof or evidence that people can invent silly explanations,isnt it better to keep your feet on the ground and then change your view depending on proof,evidence.
Two candles on a kid's birthday cake is representative of the twin towers,now that isnt proof or evidence of anything.
....its just shite thinking,in my opinion.

yes i agree with you jinjo5,I've thought some of the stuff posted to be a bit weird but hey who am i to judge...if people want to come up with shite as you say then thats up to them.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Agree to some point pedsi,but also that does not mean that cos there is no proof or evidence that people can invent silly explanations,isnt it better to keep your feet on the ground and then change your view depending on proof,evidence.
Two candles on a kid's birthday cake is representative of the twin towers,now that isnt proof or evidence of anything.
....its just shite thinking,in my opinion.

yeah and if you add up all the letters numerically in "birthday cake" you get 666 :D

[jinjo5]

Exactly.

Today I took my kids out, had a lovely time and now I am soon ready to make them Apple Pie and a fresh dinner tonight. LIfe isn't that hideously shit for us banging on our keyboards. I know life is worse for some people around they world but it's also what you make of it. There are maybe poorer people around the globe in what we see as impossible situations that might even be emotionally better off than we are.
Again,exactly.
You know your kids will get fed tonight and theyll be happy.
Turn it round for a second,your kids will hardly have anything to eat for a month,as in africa,then you realise how incredibly lucky you/we are to born in the west.That may say sound rather sickly,just stop and imagine if everything was taken away from us,we couldnt cope.
2 thirds of the world is hungry,we are lucky in the west, lets count our blessings......are our lives so dull that we have to go on forums discussing outrageous theories of a missing child.
Bad as though that is,we need perspective..........which is under used,knee-jerk reactions seems to be the norm though.
Btw reppie,are you english living in sweden?
If not,then brilliant english,its better than mine.:D

[jinjo5]

yeah and if you add up all the letters numerically in "birthday cake" you get 666 :D
Noooooo!!,get out of here.:D

[magicmerlin]

yes, sorry meant edward's daughter - i got told it by someone who works closely with the royals in some capacity.

[adzboarder]

Well the fault lies with those Mccanns, You don't leave young kiddies home alone to go to the local tapas bar.:mad:

Or swingers club.... :D

[jinjo5]

Or swingers club.... :D
Show me the perfect parent and i will give you every penny i own.....................which is 15p btw.

[jinjo5]

yes i agree with you jinjo5,I've thought some of the stuff posted to be a bit weird but hey who am i to judge...if people want to come up with shite as you say then thats up to them.
glad you agree pedsi,if folk want to come up with rubbish thats theyre right.
I just wish some people would step back and think about what theyve just said or put up a ridiculous comment about a foto which was probably taken ages ago.
Its like saying the mcanns,and/or the illumifuckingnati were planning this before maddy was born....which is utter,utter,tripe.

[sukyspook]

This is a repeat post, originally posted on 11.9.07 now updated slightly. Hopefully you should now be able to see all links, texts and inserts.

Please bear in mind we are looking at mm representing 33..

Mc, Mac, and O' - Mac meant son of, and O' meant grandson of.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gkbopp/KINNEY/Research/Variations/mcmac.htm

Can - means serpent…
http://www.sign2god.com/folders/vaticaan/vaticaan-en.html
The meaning of the word 'Vatican'...
The word 'vatican' comes from Latin and is a contraction of two words in the following way:
· 'Vatis' = 'profetic' or 'diviner'
· 'Can' = 'serpent/snake'
McCann means ‘son of serpent’

As many of us are now well and truly 'tuned in' to the truth vibration, it's never very long before someone posts what turns up in my research....however, I haven’t seen any reference to the following in connection with mm or 33….and just having past the 6th 911 ‘anniversary’, I think the first image is particularly appropriate to help expose those murderous, trauma based mind controllers we call ‘leaders’

Brothers and sisters, I give you the newly revamped ‘No Smoking’ logo which has to be visible in every public place – including all religious institutions – if there IS occult symbolism/numerology at work here, what better way to ensure it is placed EVERYWHERE than to create a situation where it would be illegal NOT to display the symbols…..What do YOU see in this image??


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What do you see – mm? 33? 11? TWIN TOWERS ON FIRE??
Can you say trauma based mind control, as well occult manipulation via numbers/sigils?? And as for enforcing the display of these symbols:

From UK Daily Telegraph:
Churches incensed by 'stop smoking' signs
By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
Last Updated: 1:45am BST 15/05/2007
Senior clerics were fuming yesterday over Government regulations giving churches and cathedrals until July 1 to post "no smoking" signs at their entrances.
Bishops and cathedral deans warned that the "nanny state" rules were unnecessary and would deface their buildings when it was almost unheard of for someone to light up in the pews.

Read the rest at:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/14/nchurch14.xml

I believe we are being manipulated by this kind of ‘sigil’ – or black magic ‘spell’. This spell has to be placed in as many places as possible.

Manly P Hall in his amazing book "The Secret Teaching of all Ages" features an image of the freemasonic double-headed eagle with the no 33 above it which represents Mammon Ra - Mammon being the Babylonian ‘god’ (demon) of 'filthy lucre' or money and FORCES:


On the heap of its ruins, the Masons intend to build a (Jewish Masonic) temple where they and their satanically energized messiah shall worship and pay homage to the Egyptian double-headed eagle deity, Mammon-Ra, the god of money and prosperity (Daniel 11:37-39).
(Hidden forces*) are beset with an unbridled ambition—a consuming desire to acquire global power and establish once and for all their long-delayed Zionist Kingdom on planet earth – (*I substituted these words for Texe Marrs choice – be believes ‘the conspiracy’ is purely of a Jewish/Zionist nature)…
Freemasonry is Jewish Magic
http://www.texemarrs.com/042003/masonic_jews_plot_world_control.htm

Texe believes ‘the conspiracy’ is principally Jewish/Freemasonic in nature – but I believe that is Kabbalistic/Qaballistic/Talmudic/Babylonian. Anyway, it’s based upon the Babylonian Mystery schools which eventually became the RC Church and the rest as they say, is history – deep, dark, evil history (sorry to any Catholics – but this is truth according to many researchers, in particular Eric Phelps at www.vaticanassassins.org )

Here’s another image and good article from Cutting Edge Ministries.




http://www.cuttingedge.org/33RD_Degree_2_Seattle.gif


FREEMASONRY PROVEN TO WORSHIP LUCIFER , PART 2
http://www.cuttingedge.org/free12.html

I was gobsmacked – nay almost physically sick when I saw the logo on the side of army vehicles in Nottingham Market Sq last week:



Who We Are and What We Do
www.army.mod.uk/mercian/
The vehicles, along with some VERY young soldiers were there to try to recruit more young men/women into the army. The Mercian Regiment (almost like the word mercenary isn’t it???) was formed from the ashes of former regiments which were controversially disbanded to come under the new regiment represented by the double headed eagle above…….The tragic thing is that since the official launch of this ‘regiment’ at the beginning of September 2007, four young men have died in Iraq…..could they too be sacrifices to their ‘gods’??? – which they worship to enslave us in their demonic/satanic matrix and somehow feed off our energy??
http://matthew-delooze.blogspot.com/
Scroll down to:


By Matthew Delooze
I digressed, sorry, but that was VERY important. If you haven’t read it, I urge you to do so now….also check out the following and follow links from Steve Willner (soundless dawn) and the blogs at the bottom of this.
Spontaneous DNA, The Rapture, and The Rise to Fourth Density:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wbewGohciYw
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Bridge Terrorism, Conformity, and The 11th of September96
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aN2tzhuz4




Sorry, I digressed again! Back to the double headed eagle.

http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefslagash.htm
The double-headed eagle is the emblem of the thirty second and thirty-third (and highest) degrees of Scottish Rite Freemasonry. There exist a multitude explanations of the meaning of the two-headed eagle, from the mundane (it's a heraldic device) to the fantastic (it's the devil, I tell you!). In fact, the eagle is a symbol of the theurgic process undertaken by the masonic initiate- a symbol of a completed alchemical process.
There are thousands of images and explanations available on the net of the double headed eagle. Scroogle it (don’t google!!).
Here’s one: http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/symbology/2o5.htm
http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbw.cgi - (alternative search engine)
For me, the double headed eagle, along with many other occult symbols and sigils, especially obelisks, tells me just who is trying to take control of the whole world.
IMHO, that word so beloved of the “politicians” – GLOBALISATION, is the code word for Satan’s final push for control of the entire planet, it’s resources, natural and otherwise and more importantly, the entire global population and in particular, the perversion and destruction of the souls of humanity. Satan, or, well, pure evil (d’evil) can only be brought about on this ‘plane’ of existence by willing ‘humans’ who sell their soul for material wealth, power and control. Likewise, God or the Creator of all things, can only work through humans too, through his son, Jesus the Christ or Yehshua Ha Meschiah – and I don’t class myself as religious but I am spiritually aware and awake. God and Yehshua are not what we think – in my ongoing research anyway – but that’s for another time….however, it is all about energy…..and the manipulation of it to create ‘reality’ as we perceive it here and at this ‘time’. We are being manipulated into the negative and must strive for the positive.
Poor, poor Madeleine. Could it be that she was ‘chosen’ because she carried the 33 vibration in her name and she also carried/carries the title ‘son of a serpent’ ie Cain, of Revelation 12:9 - And what of Rhys Jones, 11 (!) years old, shot ‘at random’ on 22nd (!) August 2007 and is all this use of manipulative symbolism designed to bring about Satan’s global government – the New World Order?? Strangely, but not strange at all if you are on ‘the journey’, I’m just listening to pt 2 of the Collins Brothers on Vyzygoth and they are talking about the very same thing – of Satan (via his minions in gov; media; banking; medicine; military industrial complex) using 911 and similar events to bring about this very n w o of which I am writing….
Do you see it?? Do you see it all??? If you don’t:
ASK
‘ASK’ and you will receive, SEEK and you will find….KNOCK and the door will be opened.
Don’t forget – everything has to be created, EVERYTHING. An architect can only manipulate what someone else envisioned/created, he/she cannot actually create something from nothing……and a builder can also only create with materials already created by someone else. With those materials he can make something but the builder, like the architect can NEVER make something out of nothing…..think about it…
One further thing…..remember the orgy of impending doom and build up of excitement in the run up to the
…..MILLENNIUM……or millennium
again, 2 x m’s = 33 and 2 x ll’s = 11 - not counting the double ‘n’ and ‘i’.
Here in the UK villages, towns and cities rushed to celebrate this ‘event’ with commemorative seats, monuments, even new buildings – particularly the Millennium Dome in New Troy (London)…and the word Millennium was ‘set’ or made ‘physical’ in so many places, more importantly for ‘them’, it laid down the 33 + 11 vibration for the manipulation of we the people in the material realm.
Unless one is ‘symbol literate’, one won’t see ‘it’. In retrospect, I recognise that we are being manipulated through numbers, letters, words and imho it all relates back to that phrase: “In the beginning was the word”…..
Compassion is the word…..love to you all, Suky
www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com listen to loads of mp3’s
www.rense.com
www.aangirfan.blogspot.com
www.conspiracyarchive.com
www.realmofconnections.blogspot.com
www.thebravenewworldorder.com
www.the-daily-behemoth.blogspot.com
www.aferrismoon.blogspot.com

www.vyzygoth.com Listen to the Collins Brothers in their ongoing audio discussions with Vyz on ‘Invoking the Beyond’, especially pt 5 (which appears in the link as 4) when they talk about symbols and how we are manipulated. There are many other audios at this site. Wonderful work on here.

Another loooong post following on….

[siliconpsychosis]

The Daily Mail suggests that Kate McCanns diary started AFTER madeleine disappeared, could be worth a few quid if a publishing company were to approach them, more so if Madeleine were to be found alive. Heres the article,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481560&in_page_id=1811

Plus I found a photo at the below site, entitled Madeleine ghost. Enlarge and check out inside the car. Ive forgotten how to insert the image into this post, so if some one could tell me, or do so, I think you might find the picture interesting. Edvard Munchs The Scream comes to mind.


http://the-daily-behemoth.blogspot.com/2007/09/unflustered-parents.html

[jinjo5]

just had a thought,am i more interested in the bollocks that people speak on here?
Is that a distraction in itself?......mmmmm.clever...talk about the bollocks while the bollocks is going on,that's just bollocks.....confusion,what a brilliant plan.
oh no,im slipping into conspiracy mode.:D
is there no end?:D

[phildee3]

just had a thought,am i more interested in the bollocks that people speak on here?

Bingo, Jinjo!
Not only that, but the more you go on about it, the more I think we must be really on to something!
If it was really bollocks, you would just let it pass.
Idiocy is self-evident.

[jinjo5]

Bingo, Jinjo!
Not only that, but the more you go on about it, the more I think we must be really on to something!
If it was really bollocks, you would just let it pass.
Idiocy is self-evident.
...Congratulations phil,you are the first,hook ,line and sinker........and.....erm....who....is the we?
Think first fella,only fools rush in.
you are only proving my point.
the 'we'................now im proper scared.
If you are trying to gain points,give up now..........i can go on forever,stupidity can be overcome at every turn by reason.
you wanna continue?
If i feel you have a valid point,i can pay cash.........deal or no deal?
PS.Play the game,dont be too serious.:D
have a good nite phil,no insult intended,just messing.
my points still count though,gunna watch telly nar.nite.xxxx.

[magicmerlin]

At the moment the case is pretty stagnant and it's futile keep niggling for the truth - I'm sure more will come out soon.......however, I have a question:

If the population was microchipped, I'm assuming that microchips would also be trackable (i.e like satellite navigation), meaning everyone could be mapped......so you'd be able to instantly say X was with X at X hour?

Enjoy the weekend everyone, unless your cash in the northern rock :eek:

[pedsi]

Its like saying the mcanns,and/or the illumifuckingnati were planning this before maddy was born....which is utter,utter,tripe.

Hi jinjo5
This is where I would disagree you...I would say its not beyond the realms of possibilty..how long do you think it took to organise 911 for example or the setting up of the euro trade zone, now the european union which will then lead to a one world govt if all goes to plan...3 or 4yrs is not a long time really.

[jinjo5]

Hi jinjo5
This is where I would disagree you...I would say its not beyond the realms of possibilty..how long do you think it took to organise 911 for example or the setting up of the euro trade zone, now the european union which will then lead to a one world govt if all goes to plan...3 or 4yrs is not a long time really.
Now pedsi,you may have me by the goolies there,cos i think 9/11 must have been planned for years,if not decades...........actually,ive always said 9/11 is by far the most convincing conspiracy theory by a million miles.
There is just too much evidence.

[pedsi]

Now pedsi,you may have me by the goolies there,cos i think 9/11 must have been planned for years,if not decades...........actually,ive always said 9/11 is by far the most convincing conspiracy theory by a million miles.
There is just too much evidence.

:eek::eek:no worries mate have them back:)

[phildee3]

9/11 must have been planned for years,if not decades

Can't remember where but I read somewhere, recently, that the demolition charges were built into the original structures. - Makes sense (not necessarily for 9/11, but at least for when they became redundant).

[fransetter]

IMO there is utter rubbish on this thread, but what I feel that rubbish consists of is for me to deal with not to go on a rant.

I don't mind seeing it there. There is so much of it in this life that it doesn't bother me any more. Like with everything else, I just pick my way through the dross and take out what I find of interest. I think it is healthy to have such open discussions. I can also see where I have moved away from over the months and years. It is all about where we are at this moment in time with our perspective on life.

The saying "never throw the baby out with the bath water springs to mind". There is plenty of bath water, but the baby must stay put.

I had a lovely day today, with lovely people, and tomorrow I plan to be out having fun with some more lovely people......
some of whom are cops!!!! :eek: and even more :eek:

Do I care who that upsets? and what that makes some people think about me?
:D

[mada88]

http://the-daily-behemoth.blogspot.com/

[ennui]

I had a lovely day today, with lovely people, and tomorrow I plan to be out having fun with some more lovely people......
some of whom are cops!!!! :eek: and even more :eek:

Do I care who that upsets? and what that makes some people think about me?
:D

Why should that upset anyone:confused: I have a friend who is a police officer and as far as I can see she's not satan's spawn or part of any great conspiracy. She spends all her free time with her beloved pet pouch and going to badger meetings in the local pub.

Some people are quick to assume that everything is a conspiracy without any proof. They are as blind as those who believe that nothing is a conspiracy. Remember that they will use your nativity against you.

Then again, maybe those badger meetings are a freemason ruse and I'm the naive one.

[fransetter]

Why should that upset anyone:confused: I have a friend who is a police officer and as far as I can see she's not satan's spawn or part of any great conspiracy. She spends all her free time with her beloved pet pouch and going to badger meetings in the local pub.

Some people are quick to assume that everything is a conspiracy without any proof. They are as blind as those who believe that nothing is a conspiracy. Remember that they will use your nativity against you.

Then again, maybe those badger meetings are a freemason ruse and I'm the naive one.

:D:D:D Oh it upsets one or two on this thread. We are off to a fun dog meeting tomorrow as it happens, with our pet pooches, rather than the ones with the pricked ears and big gobby mouths.

Pssssst. Don't tell anyone, but we are really off to a meeting of the United Lodge of the Golden Bone and Collar. We pay homage to the Grand Pack Leader by covering our heads with our lovely ceramic bowls with our names printed on them, so that it clearly identifies us. ;)

[ennui]

Pssssst. Don't tell anyone, but we are really off to a meeting of the United Lodge of the Golden Bone and Collar. We pay homage to the Grand Pack Leader by covering our heads with our lovely ceramic bowls with our names printed on them, so that it clearly identifies us. ;)


Oh yes I think I've seen you there. You'd be the one with Fransetter beautifully calligraphed on your bowl :D:D I mean....I don't know what you're talking about.... :cool::p

[peachped]

This is not weird at all, peachped. It is exactly what's happening.
Well done siliconpsychosis for putting into words what I was unable to.
I suggest y'all read this again carefully, along with sp's subsequent post.


Yes, I do know how to spell weird phildee3! :D

[phildee3]

Yes, I do know how to spell weird phildee3! :D

No criticism intended, peachped.
I've no problem with variant spellings as long as they're understandable.

btw, magicmerlin - just out of curiosity - was your spelling of this thread title intentional or was it "engineered by the collective consciousness of all things" (see msg.1011/pg.102)?

[howie]

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2756/nmaddy42c907c92ek8.jpg

This photo looks as if she's been pasted onto the image, the carpet should not be clear between her arm & shirt when the rest of the background is blurred, there's also a blurred spot on her elbow which should not be there.

[pedsi]

I'd say you could be on the money there......well spotted!!

[illuminotti]

!!

[reptilianshapeshifter]

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2756/nmaddy42c907c92ek8.jpg

This photo looks as if she's been pasted onto the image, the carpet should not be clear between her arm & shirt when the rest of the background is blurred, there's also a blurred spot on her elbow which should not be there.

woo, another photographic expert. you should get yourself over to the moon thread ;)

I'd say it's more likely the background has been blurred so that your eye focusses on her.

What's the big deal anyway?

[magicmerlin]

Posted by Phrope C, who is new to the forum and started a thread on Madeline and the Masons...........very interesting read from someone claiming to have genuine inside information:

Hi all, great to be here.

I lived in the village of Rothley (the McCanns home village) most of my life and I (know for sure) that there is a (hidden) Knights Templar (freemasons) Lodge in the said Village, hidden deep inside the very exclusive Hotel called (the Royal Court Hotel Rothley) (the "Royal" description having been dropped some years ago)

The pope of Rome outlawed the Order of the Knights Templar back in the 13th century for Heresy, some escaped to Scotland in their "pirate ships flying the black and white skull and Bones flag" (renamed themselves) The Scottish Rite of Freemasonry as a cover organisation twined with the York Rite of freemasonry and are simply known as the (freemasons) today.

However the lodge in question (SHOULD NOT BE THERE) as the Catholics still to this day outlaw the Order of the Knights Templar?

I was privileged enough a couple of years ago (I'm not a freemason) but a freelance Cameraman, (and aquatinted with a 16th degree Mason) in "Filming" (not for public viewing) the freemasons Annual AGM in the provincial freemasons Lodge on London Rd Leicester. In the 3 hour ceremony that followed the "Knights Templar Order" and lodge in Rothley was refereed to as (the good works) and cited their Grand Provincial Master (33rd degree freemason)

Now Gordon Brown and Gerry McCann are both Scottish, is there a link between the "Scottish Rite of Freemasonry"(the hidden outlawed) Order of the Knights Templar in Rothley?

Are Gerry and Brown in the same (highly secret Order) "within the General secret freemasons" of which consist of 100's or so different Orders/lodges, around the country.

The "Skull and Bones" of Yale University USA who we know are the "Elite" Bush, Ragan, Nixon etc.

Is there an equivalent "Skull and Bones" in England that share the same symbology of the Original Order of the Knights Templar?

And could Gordon Brown and Gerry McCann be a part of this highly secret "Elite" Order?

In the grounds of the Court Hotel is built the "very first preceptory" (chapel or Temple) built by the Templar in England in AD 1122.

The Templars planned their first crusade from this Temple.

Later in the 17th century the "Magnicarter" was signed by William Wilberforce in the same Temple "The abolition of slavery"

King Richard the 3rd Requested he be Buried in the same grounds! but was never buried there after his death?

At the same time in the 17th century ‘Thomas McCauley’ (another Scotsman) was born in these grounds and was to become the ‘Chair of Cambridge University’ the same seat ‘Newton’ frequented.

The Templars are known for inventing Modern Medicine and the Banking system.

Gordon is head of the Government (ex chancellor) banking.

And Gerry McCann is a senior Consultant for cardiology in the (world-renowned) Glenfield Teaching hospital Leicester, medicine.

I can see that the Maddie case is a can of worms and it's ironic to me "that she is surrounded by "the illuminati".

I surmise that this whole case hinges on one Future Fact.

The Microchip.

The necessity to maintain the "Abduction Theory" is paramount in this saga and the Government will uphold that Theory to the utmost.

Microchips and medicine go hand in hand as it will be doctors that implant the chips in the children arms one would imagine.
Also it has come to light that Gerry and Kate used IVF so they could have Maddie and that Gerry wasn’t the donor, I’m getting visions of seedy scientists looking for an Aryan Mother who wants IVF to bare the offspring to a secret elite overlord so to continue the blue bloodline, I’ve heard Kate refer to Maddie as ‘the perfect child’ but behind the scenes, their is talk of a very different story, that maddie was a sleepwalker and was regularly sedated by Kate as she couldn’t cope with the twins, and that she was ‘semi autistic’. Her split retina might be due the scientists ‘tweaking the embryo’ and getting it wrong?

Maybe Maddie was abducted by the ‘men in black’ and done away with, I have read that Beltain is may 5th and that she may have been used in ritual, personally I don’t want to go there, but you never know?

Apparently Gerry is supposed to be good friends with Robert Murat and that they met when Gerry was campaigning for the Labour party in Leicester.

Also Clarence Michel has been working behind the scenes well before the McCanns went to Portugal arranging holidays to Malta, With the Tapas 7 minus the McCanns.?


Just a play on words to finish?

"Scott free" is a well known saying... getting off Scott free.

How about (Scott - free - masons)

Hidden in plain View as always.

Your thoughts on my article are most welcome.

PS I am Anti Mason.

[phoebe]

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2756/nmaddy42c907c92ek8.jpg

This photo looks as if she's been pasted onto the image, the carpet should not be clear between her arm & shirt when the rest of the background is blurred, there's also a blurred spot on her elbow which should not be there.

This is plainly ridiculous.
(And I'm breaking my own rule of leaving
This thread to reply to this)
Aside from anything else...
What possible reason could there be
For someone taking a picture of Madeleine
And pasting it onto some other, rather uninspiring background?

An attempt at explaining why
There is a piece of unblurred carpet:
Photographers use a technique called
Selective focus to either
Focus on the main subject/object closest to camera
(Therefore blurring the background)
Or to focus on the background
(Therefore blurring the object closest to the camera).
This is done using various photographic techniques.
However, for the non-technical amateur snapper out there
Who finds a nice picture of his/her daughter 'ruined'
By a rather non-descript or 'busy' background
He/she can use photoshop or suchlike to
Add this effect by using the 'blur' tool
Thereby cutting out the irrelevant background details
And bring the actual subject of the photo into attention.
In this case, it appears that someone has done this
And hasn't quite done a perfect job
And has missed part of the carpet with the blur tool.

:rolleyes::o

[emerald]

By the way, Richard Branson offered himself in helping McCanns. Very well intentioned this man is. What about his friend, Fossett?:D

[phildee3]

someone has done this
And hasn't quite done a perfect job
And has missed part of the carpet with the blur tool.

You're right, Phoebe.
But before the blurring was done, the shirt and jeans of the boy(?), plus the red below his collar level, were pasted/painted in, most likely to cover up something. It was then blurred to disguise the fake, pasted image.
The (original) background at bottom left was then blurred to match the degree of blurring at bottom right (they missed the bit under her right arm).

I work with photoshop.

Thank you for your clear and accurate posting, phoebe.
But what is rediculous about howie's posting?
He made no "big deal" about it, whatsoever.

In the absense of evidence, any anomolies are worth noting.
You never know when one may contain the 'holy grail.'

[phoebe]

You're right, Phoebe.
But before the blurring was done, the shirt and jeans of the boy(?), plus the red below his collar level, were pasted in, most likely to cover up something. It was then blurred to disguise the fake, pasted image.
The (original) background at bottom left was then blurred to match the degree of blurring at bottom right (they missed a bit under her right arm).

I work with photoshop.

Thank you for your clear and accurate posting, phoebe.
But what is rediculous about howie's posting?
He made no "big deal" about it, whatsoever.

In the absense of evidence, any anomolies are worth noting.
You never know when one may contain the 'holy grail.'

But still the question is why?
If there was something unsuitable for public consumption
In the background of the original photo
Why use that photo?
There must be plenty of 'suitable' photos of Madeleine
Without needing to resort to doctoring unsuitable ones.

To answer your question why I thought the post was ridiculous:
I just see so much fear mongering on this thread
(Re the big brother eye, the birthday cake photo etc etc)
People are seeing things that aren't there imo.
They seem to want there to be evidence
Of illuminati involvement
And the only reason I can think of for this
Is that it would reinforce their own worldview.
If Madeleine was announced found tomorrow
A lot of people on here still wouldn't believe it.

Yes it is worth noting anomalies
And I would expect such people as post here to do so
However, in this particular case
I do think that imaginations are running wild
And that it's not helpful in any way.
Seems almost like entertainment.

[indigo]

By the way, Richard Branson offered himself in helping McCanns. Very well intentioned this man is. What about his friend, Fossett?:DYeah I just read about that. Heres the link. What the fuck is he getting involved for, unless im missing something:confused::D http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2461207.ece

[magicmerlin]

From the start this has involved the elite - from Richard Green's private jet, Tony Blairs former Spin Doctor, Max Clifford, the Pope, Gordan Brown....and now Branson apparently......goodness knows who else.

[phildee3]

But still the question is why?

Exactly.
And if it was not photoshopped for public consumption, why would a family member bother if it's just for the family album? Even less reason.
If it was a photoshop exercise, they would have done a better job.
This was a rush job; typical of newspaper staff under pressure.
Why, indeed!

To answer your question why I thought the post was ridiculous:
I just see so much fear mongering on this thread

I don't.
Fear is a result of the unknown.
The more we lay things out in the open;
our thoughts, our suspicions,
the possibilities,
no matter how rediculous they might seem,
the more fear dissipates.


(Re the big brother eye, the birthday cake photo etc etc)
People are seeing things that aren't there imo.

imo too (in most cases).
We're just 'fishing.'
Nobody's making a "big deal" out of these shadows,
and you never know when we're going to get a bite.

But this is just on the level of logic.
What about the 'quantum reality' explanations from siliconpsychosis in message 1011?
Fishing for tiddlers, we caught a 20lb carp!

Seems almost like entertainment.

Not to me.
And not to Daniel Finkelstein:
http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2007/09/why-are-we-rive.html

[illuminotti]

I have tons of info for you, all the links are broken

[illuminotti]

sorry guys links are broken AGAIN..........why can i not post links for you all to see the government connections

[magicmerlin]

Hi please keep posting them if you can - can you not post them up or give the sources so we can try and locate them ourselves. I have done a bit of research into the masonic and government connections and from what I have found so far this stinks. Even if this is totally innocent (which I do not now beleive it is one bit), the connections should still be made public. 100K from branson, it's disgusting, can the man give 100k to starving children all over the world? It's true you can't help everyone but please, they already have a million and couldn't be bothered to hire a crack private detective. I expect this will be solved around Christmas time and everyone can have a microchip from the Queen.

Oh and everyone must be sick of me positng 'WHY HASNT DAVID COVERED ANY OF THIS', but I have to keep saying it because if you ask me it's very, very strage - could he have been told to not touch it?

[julieray]

I remember recently there being a call for people who work in the legal profession to confirm whether or not they were freemasons and I think they refused.

The Government/Law is all interlinked as you know, so how can the brotherhood be impartial and work for king and country in it's best interest when they have sworn an allegence to the brotherhood. Obviously if you are one of them then you are more prone to a lift up the ladder too, which is completely biased, because before too long, those at the top will be members (if not already).

Also, when you work in this field, you are not promising to serve the people of the Country which is what they should be doing, but promising to serve the crown - once again another sting in the tail. The whole thing has been sewn up and is corrupt as hell. We don't live in a democracy, it is a dictatorship whichever way we look at it.:(

[phildee3]

everyone must be sick of me positng 'WHY HASNT DAVID COVERED ANY OF THIS', but I have to keep saying it because if you ask me it's very, very strage - could he have been told to not touch it?

Possibly, but I think it would be a sensible decision for him to make on his own.
He has presented all the evidence at his disposal for ritual, child sacrifice/cannibalism among the elite and leaves it up to us to connect the dots. It would be a real can of worms for him to adress this case specifically and he has alot of other areas that he's concentrating on. These important areas would suffer from neglect if he were to get into this and besides, why should one person be responsible for coming up with the answers; - so that we can be the 'new sheeple' and follow David as a 'leader'?
I think not.

[magicmerlin]

phildee3, that's fair enough - maybe david can't be bothered with the stress of being labelled evil himself, because no doubt the media would love to smear him for making such assertions. and as you say, enough people are focusing on this anyway.

[phildee3]

maybe david can't be bothered with the stress of being labelled evil himself, because no doubt the media would love to smear him for making such assertions.

I doubt if that's his reason.
After all, he's been labelled that and alot more and has learned how to shrug it off.

[ennui]

I suspect he's as interested in it as any of us, and if he gets any evidence he'll probably pass it on, but at the moment everything is speculation and conjecture. The last thing I want him to do is jump to conclusions with no real evidence.

[magicmerlin]

But david doesnt usually have hard evidence when he posts something.....usually for example he would have posted a picture of the Mccans visiting the pope.....maybe with a tag line of 'The Mccans meet the Pope'.....or a referance to Rothley's undeniable links to Freemasonary.....Max Clifford doing the PR.....etc, etc, etc. To my knowledge, David hasn't touched this at all.

OK OK - Update, David has spoken indirectly about the Madeine case:

Freemasons want to microchip children

'The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) recognizes Comprehensive Masonic Chip as one of the most complete child recovery and identification programs in the nation. In 1999 alone, over 797,500 children were reported missing in the United States.

The Michigan Child Identification Program, or MICHIP, is sponsored by the Michigan Masons and uses a defined "Masonic Model" called Comprehensive Masonic Chip. It is currently in operation by Masonic jurisdictions in thirteen states and continues to be adopted by Masons across North America. '

[peachped]

Branson's fund for McCann lawyers


Gerry and Kate McCann
Madeleine McCann has been missing since May
Tycoon Sir Richard Branson is giving £100,000 to a fund to assist Kate and Gerry McCann with their legal costs.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6997429.stm

[jetta]

I see no-one has posted on this thread so far today. What I have to say is: there is something I don't like about Kate Mcann, she seems very unpleasant to me for some reason, even just looking at her photo. She is a GP, well I wouldn't want her to be my doctor. The other thing is, I really hate the obvious bias towards her being innocent, that we see in certain newspapers every day, just because they are middle-class cretain people are of the opinon that they *must* be innocent; if they had been shop assistants or factory workers, say, they would have been vilified from the start. The "Daily Mail" seems to have taken a horrendous xenophobic stance (although looking at it today it now seems they are changing their mind) against the Portuguese. To me xenophobia = racism. I have met Portugeuse people living round here and I would like to see these opinionated right-wing journalists try to migrate to another country, find work there AND learn another language. It disgusts me that there are still snobs like this who think that everyone who isn't midde-class, white speaks perfect English and has tons of money is not as good as THEY are. :mad: I also think there is some element of this bias (towards Kate Mcann) from the BBC media, although maybe it's just my imagination. Another point of the subject somewhat: I have noticed that Jane Hill, the BBC reporter in Praia da Luz, looks kind of "drained" lately- ok I know maybe she has a gruelling schedule and has to stand there a long time, but someone else on here said something about Praia da Luz and I wonder if it's one of those places you visit then feel as if all your energy has been drained. I feel like that about a local hospital (althought I did see something once about this hospital being built on the site of a "plague pit". )

[on the road]

the more i see of this the more i dont like.look at the people who are getting involed .

the pope - alarm bells

Sir Alec Jeffreys - The inventor of DNA fingerprinting - slightly worrying.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6992372.stm

sir richard branson- 100 grand for the kitty

Clarence Mitchell - new spokesman/the former director of the Central Office of Information's media monitoring operation.-this guy gave up his goverment job to help the McCanns and is telling us to make no bones about it that these people are innocent? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7000409.stm

now can i see these people helping 'johnny english' in this way? can i fuck!
this thing is getting wierd .this has cover up written all over it.

[notaslave]

the more i see of this the more i dont like.look at the people who are getting involed .

the pope - alarm bells

Sir Alec Jeffreys - The inventor of DNA fingerprinting - slightly worrying.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6992372.stm

sir richard branson- 100 grand for the kitty

Clarence Mitchell - new spokesman/the former director of the Central Office of Information's media monitoring operation.-this guy gave up his goverment job to help the McCanns and is telling us to make no bones about it that these people are innocent? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7000409.stm

now can i see these people helping 'johnny english' in this way? can i fuck!
this thing is getting wierd .this has cover up written all over it.

totally agree.
heres what Sir Alec Jeffreys had to say ....

The inventor of DNA fingerprinting has offered to act as an expert witness in the Madeleine McCann case. Sir Alec Jeffreys said DNA matches alone did not establish guilt and all Madeleine's genetic characters would be found in at least one family member.


I'm off to rob a bank, I'm gonna leave my DNA everywhere and quote Sir Alec at my trial.

[magicmerlin]

The thing I'm most concerned about is that this really is part of the chip agenada. Most people I tell about microchipping laugh at me - in fact I'm sorry to say I feel bad telling some people because they are too narrow-minded and sheep like to actually think for themselves. But what's most ironic is that even though you tell people this might be coming, these are the same people who will then welcome the chip - EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN WARNED! So, at the moment they don't beleive in the chip.....just you wait, it will be proposed and these people will then say 'don't worry they wouldn't do anything to harm us'

[peachped]

British Government involvement in the McCann case.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2477770.ece

[illuminotti]

I think people already locked up on the basis of dna should ask for a retrial!!

Notaslave, just waiting for my balaclava to dry,
and i'll be with you..............

[julieray]

There was a petition flying around a while ago which was sent to the Government to urge them to provide as much assistance as possible in order to find Madeleine. This was Gordon Brown's Office's Response;

Thank you for your e-petition calling for UK assistance in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Although Madeleine and her family are British citizens, the disappearance occurred in Portugal and therefore the investigation is rightly being co-ordinated and led by the Portuguese police. However, the UK and the Portuguese authorities are working closely together and remain focussed on their joint objective - to return Madeleine safely to her family.

During the course of the enquiry, officers from UK law enforcement agencies have been deployed to Portugal at the request of the Portuguese authorities. The number of British officers deployed at any one time fluctuates depending on the requests received. Officers deployed to Portugal are working under the direction of the Portuguese police and as such we are unable to comment further on an investigation which is under the jurisdiction of another State.

At the same time, an incident room has been set up in Leicester which is providing ongoing support and information to the Portuguese investigation. It's role is to complete and co-ordinate UK-based enquiries at the request of the Portuguese Police. UK law enforcement agencies stand ready to offer any further assistance that the Portuguese authorities may request.

If you see anyone you believe could be Madeleine, or have any information that could assist enquiries, please contact your local law enforcement agency as soon as possible.

I don't know what everyone else thinks, but doesn't it look as though Gordon Board is basically saying that because the abduction happened in another Country it is basically out of his hands. My view - well isn't that just convenient - very wishy washy and basically saying nothing that isn't already out there. Out of his hands.....my arse!!!! The whole damn thing is at his finger tips!!!

[greenleaf]

For all you journalists out there, please clarify and confirm if the following relationships are true. We need some serious investigative journalism.

GORDON BROWN & GERRY McCANN
-have had nice telephone chats together.

GORDON, GERRY, & CLARENCE MITCHELL
-Clarence Mitchell is the Head of Media Monitoring for the govt.
-He is also personal friend of Gerry, and has been representing Gerry
(on behalf of govt or himself? ) from the very beginning.

GORDON BROWN, ANDREW BROWN
-Andrew is P.M.s brother and is involved with EDF Energy which is
Europe's largest nuclear energy producer. Andrew Brown is the media director for EDF energy, who are lobbying to build nuclear power stations in Britain.

Gordon Brown wants to restart the nuclear power plant building programme in Britain.


COMARE, ANDREW BROWN, COMARE DIRECTOR, GERRY McCANN
-Gerry McCann is a member of a government quango called COMARE (Committee on Medical Aspects of Radiation in the Environment) which has repeatedly come out in opposition to campaigners who claim that childhood cancers are more prevalent around nuclear power stations

COMARE's director happens to be a cardiologist based at the very hospital where Gerry and Kate first met, the Glasgow Western Infirmary. If COMARE's contacts incorporate individuals in the broader nuclear industry, these might include Andrew Brown: Head of Media for Europe's largest producer of nuclear electricity... and brother of Prime Minister Gordon.

Question: since when is a cardiologist have the experience to
comment on radiation?
Possible Answer: Training of Cardiologists in Radiation Protection (http://rpop.iaea.org/RPoP/RPoP/Content/Documents/Whitepapers/Nsnews.pdf)

BELL POTTINGER, GERRY, GORDON BROWN, NUCLEAR POWER INDUSTRY
"Bell Pottinger represent both the McCanns and the Portuguese holiday village they were staying in. Bell Pottinger also provide PR for the nuclear power industry, have close connections with New Labour (Tony Blair gave Tim bell his peerage), have helped sell New labours unique vision of democracy in Iraq and and have been heavily involved with several of New labours disastrous IT schemes "


SARAH BROWN, JULIA HOBSBAWN, SKY NEWS, GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL
-Julia Hobsbawm was a partner in Hobsbawm Macaulay Communications with Sarah Macaulay, now known as Sarah Brown, the wife of British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown.

Julia Hobsbawm (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Julia_Hobsbawm) is now the founder and chief executive of media analysis and networking company Editorial Intelligence
http://editorialintelligence.com

And this is where it gets very interesting.

Julia Hobsbawm's new company 'Editorial Intelligence' specialises in analysing and exploiting comment and opinion in both print and online media. In simple terms, 'Editorial Intelligence' helps realise the potential of controlling the shape and fabric of public opinion and (d)ebate by controlling what is published in comment areas, forum areas, letters pages and message boards. They have even coined a new word for the online/published briTish public; they call it the 'Commentariat' (a play upon the word 'Proletariat' - orginally coined to describe the lower or working classes).

Julia Hobsbawm's 'Editorial Intelligence' describes itself on its website:

"Editorial Intelligence opens a door to a vital and growing world of print and online comment and opinion. What the 'Commentariat' says affects and influences the direction of public opinion and policy alike and with it, corporate reputation ...


SKY NEWS and the GMC (General Medical Council) are clients of Editorial
Analysis. Please clarify and confirm?

JULIA HOBSBAWN, GERRY, JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTRE, PHILIP GREEN
(Julia Hobsbawm is also a trustee of the Jewish Community Centre for London - supported by none other than Sir Philip Green - loaner of jet and reward provider to the McCanns)



T APAS 7 , UNNAMED PERSON
-When the 'abduction theory" first spun its webs, there was mention of the Tapas 7, and one party who could not be named.

UNAMED PERSON, PETER McCann, MALTA, GOZO
-Could the unamed person be Peter McCann who is supposed to
be an Uncle and who has a house in Gozo, Malta.
-There was also mention of sighting in Malta, in amongst Morocco, Spain etc.

P ETER McCANN, CASTLE CRAIG
-Castle Craig is an exclusive private hospital (but gets NHS funding) in
Scotland and all the directors are as follows:


http://www.castlecraig.co.uk/

See about Us then Key Staff
>
Castle Craig Hospital
Directors
Peter McCann MA, ICADC Chairman
Dr Margaret Ann McCann, MB Bch BAO Medical Director
Dr. Michael G. McCann , MD , MA , DIH, MFOM Director
John L McCann BA ACIS Financial Director/Administrator

Castle Craig Hospital is located in 50 acres of grounds in the Scottish Borders. It is a residential hospital for the inpatient treatment of alcoholism and drug addiction. The hospital is registered with the relevant statutory body, namely the Scottish Care Commission. It is a major contractor to the National Health Service and is recognised by the major medical insurers in the U.K. Many insurance companies from other countries fund the treatment at Castle Craig. The hospital is a Preferred Provider to the U.S. Government under the Tricare programme and it is also recognised by the Dutch insurance companies.


There is mention of a holiday home in Gozo, Malta. Is this the same
uncle?
Peter and Dr. Margaret Ann McCann says"

We have worked together in the field of alcoholism and drug addiction since the early 80s. We founded, in the first instance, Clouds House in 1983 and ran it for five years before moving to Scotland and opening up Castle Craig which we have been running ever since.

Both myself and Margaret Ann have presented at many conferences, written papers and belong to a number of professional organisations. In particular Margaret Ann served on the Executive of the Medical Council on Alcohol and I have just been elected a Board Member of the International Council of Alcohol and Addictions. I was also the Founder of the European Association for Treatment of Addiction (EATA).

In our personal life we have been blessed with four delightful children, now aged from 18 to 24. Victoria is a graduate of Newcastle and Stirling Universities and has obtained an MSc in P.R. from the latter. Dominic is final year History at Edinburgh University. Felicity is in her second year at Bristol University Medical School and Peter is awaiting a place in Medical School. We all share an interest in sailing and are fortunate in having a lovely house in Gozo which was paid for many years ago with a small inheritance. We continue to have family holidays together. We also allow staff at Castle Craig and close friends to use the house and it has been a charitable auction prize on several occasions.

Castle Craig has an extended contracts with the US Defence Department treating military personnel for addictions.

Des Browne (our own Defence Sectretary - and another Scot) has been under increasing pressure to deal with our own force's drink and drug problems (in light of the scandal brought about by the HMS Cornwall affair in April).

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsm.....=753452006/

It is entirely likely that given Castle Craig's experience in treating US military personnel they have sough Peter McCann's advice on treating our own military personnel.

Perhaps Caslte Craig even treated servicemen on board the HMS Cornwall, who knows.

That would certainly explain why they slipped into Iranian territory.

Here is something that Peter McCann wrote last year. It might lend weight to rumours about cabinet members and family members having used Castle Craig. See what you think:

"We also read today, about the inappropriate way that Liberal Democrats covered up on their former leader’s alcoholism. This is a typical response we see throughout industry and institutions when members of organisations try to cover up for their sick colleagues. It is quite disgraceful that politicians weld so much power while addicted and when their judgment must be warped. This applies to all political parties. Addiction must be confronted at all times and “tough love” applies to politicians just as much as to doctors, lawyers and family members. "

http://blogg.castlecraig.co.uk.....89228.html/


PETER McCANN, CASTLE CRAIG, HOLLAND, GERRY
-Castle Craig has a branch in Holland. Gerry worked in Holland.


GERRY, JILL RENWICK, JOHN BROWN, GORDON BROWN
-Jill Renwick is a friend of Gerry, and she lives down the road or same
strees as John Brown, who is Gordon Brown's brother.
-maybe nothing here, and just poor John Brown caught in it all.

SO WE HAVE MEDIA, POLITICS, DRUG REHAB, NUCLEAR...anyone join the dots and clarify all of this which is a combination of internet sleuthing?

[mightiswrong]

"If your child could wear an implant – a microchip that could tell a computer where he or she was at any time to within a few metres – would you buy it? After the horrific snatch of three-year-old Madeleine McCann from her bed in Portugal, the answer from many parents seems to be “yes”. "
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article1788169.ece

[adzboarder]

Thats a crock of shit Mightiswrong and it's down to us to explain to them if they really do think this. Chips cause cancer, that's a proven fact and mentioned elsewhere on this forum. Avoid at all costs and tell all your friends. :mad:

[jetta]

Thats a crock of shit Mightiswrong and it's down to us to explain to them if they really do think this. Chips cause cancer, that's a proven fact and mentioned elsewhere on this forum. Avoid at all costs and tell all your friends. :mad:

I think you mis-interpreted what Mightiswrong is trying to point out- that all of this stuff about MM is to do with microchipping children and maybe her "disappearance" has been engineered for that reason- not that he\she is in favour of microchips. I often wonder why people on web forums are so rude to each other :rolleyes:

[julieray]

Unfortunately, I too have found that parents would be happy to have this done to their children, because they think that it would keep them safe. It is absolutely diabolical that our Government could instigate such a farcicle web of deceipt just to scare parents to death in order that they would want this done to their children. I wish there was at least one media newspaper/tv station that would be brave enough to spill the beans and tell the people the truth behind all this - it is an absolute disgrace. I tell as many people as I can, but as someone else has mentioned, they look at you as if you are deranged, they just cannot believe that our Government could do this.:(

[phildee3]

The poll is stupid!
Why does everything have to be black or white?
Yes, there is an element here that has to do with promoting the chipping of kids, but there's a hell of alot of other aspects too.

It's not all to do with chips.
Neither does it have nothing to do with chips.

But of course, you don't get the option to vote for the truth!

Fucking politicians...
Don't vote; it only encourages them!

[spacegurl]

I agree with Phildee3 that it might not have everything to do with microchipping. I suspect that Madeleine was sacrified but also it's possible she's still alive and hidden away but I think her parents know about where Madeleine is (alive or dead). They always went about their normal routine even after the girl was reported missing and most parents wouldn't do that. A lot doesn't add up.

Before I came on this forum I wondered if it might be some form of sacrifice because of the way they all behaved: The Tapas friends, the McCanns and their relatives all telling conflicting stories and covering something up. It feels like they all conspired against this little girl from the very beginning. Reading through this thread only confirms that.

Now top people are involved it makes the whole thing very fishy. It aint just an ordinary missing child case here. I mean since when do these top people care about other missing kids?

[magicmerlin]

It isn't stupid....and even if it doesn't define all aspects of the Madeline case, it's significant to guage people's feelings - are you saying micro-chipping isn't a plan?

[spacegurl]

No I don't think it's stupid as it's a possibility they're planning to introduce it. I just don't believe that the microchip is the only reason behind the Madeleine case. I think this case might be more ritualistic.

[julieray]

I believe their plan is any damn thing they can manage to get away with right now, why else test the waters to see what people's opinion is. They will do whatever the public view is, that way, they will be see to be listening to the so called public outcry in order to protect us all and our children!!! They will be able to publically justify that then won't they??

[crowhawk]

I'm new to this site & I admit I haven't read all of this thread. A little girl has gone missing A couple of years ago a similar thing happened to a little girl within 7 miles of this abduction. In that case the girls mother was jailed for life after, as the husband described it "The police beat a confession out of her & planted/fabricated evidence. I saw a photograph of the woman & she looked as if she'd suffered the most appalling beating. Her face was a mass of bruises including two black eyes. I don't know of a single case where two children were abducted within seven miles of each other & in such similar circumstances. That's what the press, police should be picking up on, not persecuting a grieving family! After all you are innocent until PROVEN guilty?

Satanic ritual abuse? Come on people? That's the sort of thing that allowed people like (Dr?) Marrieta Higgs to persecute families in the NE of England a few years ago. Satanic?? Christian fundamentalist lunacy! The only thing that is driving the persecution of this family, is an inept police, force trying to save the £millions of lost tourist revenue. Would you take your kids somewhere there might be a serial child murderer lurking?? This must be costing the Portuguese Tourist Industry a fortune & the police are under immense pressure to make it go away. Look what happened when the British police were put under similar political pressure? The Birmingham Six, The Guildford Four, The Maguires. If you're looking for a conspiracy chase the money. Talking about Satanic Abuse makes George W Bush sound well balanced!

[magicmerlin]

No I don't think it's stupid as it's a possibility they're planning to introduce it. I just don't believe that the microchip is the only reason behind the Madeleine case. I think this case might be more ritualistic.

I agree on that aspect, hence why I started the 'sacrafice' thread in the first place. However, if these things are going on, then I think it is again 'all connected' - i.e. the secret sacraficial groups are connected to the illumanati. What is for sure, if the plan for a NWO is real, the next couple of years are going to be mad.

[crowhawk]

They are well on their way to implementing The "New World Order" & have been (by George H.W.Bush snr's own admission) since Gulf War one. Why on Earth would they need to "sacrifice" children?? They're killing them by the thousands in Iraq & Afghanistan! Whether the government use this as a case to justify RF micro-chipping, doesn't mean they were responsible for the crime! Our leaders can be great scavengers of opportunity. Anything can be turned to the advantage of our tabloid sound-bite politicians to dupe the Sun reading lowest common denominator.

[chicken]

I am a targeted individual from the UK - I believe I have been chipped. I have done masses of research about this and have been decieved by a woman who I believe has connections with mental health. Recruitment is the word that springs to mind. It is occult practice - the same with Madalaine. I have studied this phenomena for almost four months - on the net looking for the answer to my situation and on the way have come across some very interesting - but scary stuff which appears to be true. After cross checking it. Relating to SRA - The Tavistock Institute in London is the only office in the UK to deal with this phenomena - funny that - they are the ones doing it too.

Why do I think I am chipped. Well up until February I was perfectly normal and was attacked from the inside via e-harassment and from the outside via gangstalking. Once a friend of mine heard and saw what the bastards did she was terrified. No I did not attack her. Once she heard the story she sunk to the floor like a snake - her parents are now new agers and are into psychotronics, auras, etc etc. They said that double speak, double think and the NWO were together. The majority of people don't know what is coming. My friends parents were also psychiatric nurses - The British Torture State applies here. The gnostic knowledge - that no-one mentions

I live in Darwin country - eugenics - social eugenics. The theosophical Society was big in the area I live in - guess what they were into? - you got it the occult. This society is considered a cult. It has links with CO$ and Werner Erehard as well Aleister Crowley, the Nazis, Darwin of course etc etc. I could go one.

I am not deranged - yes it is all connected. There are pockets of groups working all over the country - gang stalkers - who operate in regions - to kill by stealth - not actually touching the target - but by harassment. E-harassment makes you incompacitated to work. Your life goes down the tube. Is this part of the NWO - yes it is.

chicken

[phildee3]

are you saying micro-chipping isn't a plan?

No, not at all.
Just that it's not the main plan.
What I think is stupid is the heading "Is this all for the microchip?" (my itals.)
No, it's not all for the chip; neither is it a "myth."
It's a loaded question - very much the style of our NWO politicians!

Like "Have you stopped beating your wife."

It's another diversion - and it narrows people's vision.

[adzboarder]

Thats a crock of shit Mightiswrong and it's down to us to explain to them if they really do think this. Chips cause cancer, that's a proven fact and mentioned elsewhere on this forum. Avoid at all costs and tell all your friends. :mad:

I think you mis-interpreted what Mightiswrong is trying to point out- that all of this stuff about MM is to do with microchipping children and maybe her "disappearance" has been engineered for that reason- not that he\she is in favour of microchips. I often wonder why people on web forums are so rude to each other :rolleyes:

Sorry Jetta and Mightiswrong, what I was trying to say is that the article that was posted (Timesonline) is a crock of shit, not what mightiswrong is saying. I am sorry to have come across as rude that was a reactive post I did without making myself clear. Sorry folks.

I think that the microchipping thing is part of this, but the whole thing is very, very fishy to me... (see we ALL agree!) sorry again for my rudeness.:o

[julieray]

I am a targeted individual from the UK - I believe I have been chipped. I have done masses of research about this and have been decieved by a woman who I believe has connections with mental health. Recruitment is the word that springs to mind. It is occult practice - the same with Madalaine. I have studied this phenomena for almost four months - on the net looking for the answer to my situation and on the way have come across some very interesting - but scary stuff which appears to be true. After cross checking it. Relating to SRA - The Tavistock Institute in London is the only office in the UK to deal with this phenomena - funny that - they are the ones doing it too.

Why do I think I am chipped. Well up until February I was perfectly normal and was attacked from the inside via e-harassment and from the outside via gangstalking. Once a friend of mine heard and saw what the bastards did she was terrified. No I did not attack her. Once she heard the story she sunk to the floor like a snake - her parents are now new agers and are into psychotronics, auras, etc etc. They said that double speak, double think and the NWO were together. The majority of people don't know what is coming. My friends parents were also psychiatric nurses - The British Torture State applies here. The gnostic knowledge - that no-one mentions

I live in Darwin country - eugenics - social eugenics. The theosophical Society was big in the area I live in - guess what they were into? - you got it the occult. This society is considered a cult. It has links with CO$ and Werner Erehard as well Aleister Crowley, the Nazis, Darwin of course etc etc. I could go one.

I am not deranged - yes it is all connected. There are pockets of groups working all over the country - gang stalkers - who operate in regions - to kill by stealth - not actually touching the target - but by harassment. E-harassment makes you incompacitated to work. Your life goes down the tube. Is this part of the NWO - yes it is.

chicken

Hi Chicken, that is a very harrowing story you have told. What I don't understand with your situation is that if you were being harrassed, was there nothing the Police could do for you in that situation, or are you suggesting that they are all "in on it"?? The other thing that I don't understand is why did you have a microchip? Perhaps I have missed what you were saying, but I can't understand why you have had this done, are you saying that this was done to you against your will??? If so, can you not authorise it's removal??? Thank you anyway for drawing this to our attention, forewarned is forearmed.

[chicken]

Julieray - well it seems I do not live that far from you. Some of my family live near Wrexham.

Hi Chicken, that is a very harrowing story you have told. What I don't understand with your situation is that if you were being harrassed, was there nothing the Police could do for you in that situation, or are you suggesting that they are all "in on it"?? The other thing that I don't understand is why did you have a microchip? Perhaps I have missed what you were saying, but I can't understand why you have had this done, are you saying that this was done to you against your will??? If so, can you not authorise it's removal??? Thank you anyway for drawing this to our attention, forewarned is forearmed.

Yes - it is terrible. There is another targeted individual on this forum called Deca - so I am not alone. His situation is different to mine - yet the technology use is similiar

In answering your question - The connections are vast with regard to how my situation connects with chipping. People do not "suddenly" become mentally ill unless they have a breakdown. I did not have one. I was attacked from the inside - meaning the technology exists to do this terrible crime to someone. This is the century of the brain apparently- just see whats in the press. Also from what I have read - the technology was around and being developed in the 50's and 60's .I have researched MKUltra and Monarch and associated press releases, and the masses of other documents online related to this concept - there are also blogs, stories on forums etc etc from people all over the world who relate the same symptoms and we have not spoken. The evidence is there but is spoken rather than evidence which shows they have a chip. Some victims have been able to get that evidence and relate a story similiar to mine. However the victims are saying that the body is a natural anntennea - so it can be done via finding your unique body/brain fingerprint. We have mobile phones and they can send and recieve data. But I still think the chip is the thing that can send and recieve the data. It just seems so natural for that to be the case - so it is still done remotely.

America is well into suing each other. Lots of cases going on at the moment - people trying to sue the government with regards to being chipped and harassed and gang stalked. Some people are just gang stalked. That is enough on its own. It has arrived here - it is being reported in Yorkshire, Manchester, London, Birmingham etc etc

With regards to the police - done that - its all filed and passed on. Getting a scan - they the doctor won't do it. I wanted a x-ray. About ethics. If you have metal in your body - I researched that too a MRI will burn you or the chip could cause havoc if it moves as MRI involves magnets. So stuck there?

With regards to people being in on it. I am afraid some are. There is an American phenomena called gang stalking, sometimes called cause stalking or multi stalking - which is a way of discrediting you. Once you are e-harassed, the gang stalkers hit at the same time. This is what happened to me. You are mind manipulated - your perceptions are warped by the technology. You recount your story to family and then you get sectioned if it goes that way. The gang stalkers wear a uniform so when you say I saw 30 bald headed people all wearing sun glasses in february - it appears mad. In fact I did and there is a thing called mobbing. I experienced that too.

This is the biggest cover up of the century - it will come out eventually. As did the MKUltra and Monarch experiments and all the other non-consensual experiments have.

Its the dark side of the "system". I could not believe what I was reading and I had no fault of my own become part of it with out permission. Where did I get my chip? Don't know - via the medical profession possibly. So many victims actually think this is how it is done. Some think it is mental health where they got it from.

There is enough information now - of people being used as Lab rats, with regards to being tested on without consent in hospitals, prisons, when people were prisoners of war - Vietnam, Korea etc etc, mental hospitals as well.

Ewan Cameron a Scottish American psychiatrist was involved in America Canada and was the author of psychic driving a combined invention of ECT and drugs - to attempt behaviour modification in his victims - some were in comas for months. It is pure mind control for the MKultra projects. Documents show that he was given the projects to carry out by the CIA. He used ECT on his victims - 30-40 times the required dosage. Many suffered permenantly from the torture he handed out. Society has not recognised him even though he was the world president of the psychiatric association. You will not find him in the history of psychiatry.

Ewan was involved in the Nuremberg trials - putting away mengele type germans for medical torture. He then went on and did it himself to others. He accused German medics of the very same things he did between 1934-1960. The Vatican helped many doctors escape to America - they then carried on the Hitler type experiments in Mkultra. The Catholoic Church has since apologised for their actions

I think I have been implanted or charged up via the natural human electromagnetic system - could be both.

During the 20's the UK started a Institute known as the Tavistock Institute - first person to be notable to run it was Freud - its actually called the British centre for Mind Control in some circles. Freud was a Nazi sympathiser and a drug addict and to think a lot of our psychiatric practices are based on his notions. I know Jung is in there is well. There was huge connections with the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute also - now called the Plank Institute. The Tavistoc Institute was set up to find the breaking point of humans. This was what MKultra was all about but had connections with the Cold War and biological warfare.

So we have a joint effort and combination of the medical and the military using techniques to break humans. This is leading somewhere as we know history has its part to play in how we proceed into the future. Not only Britain was into this but so were the Americans because of the British. The Tavistock has one other connection to it in the UK - Sussex Uni. In America there are ten other similiar Tavistocks - the London Office is seen as the head of all of them apparently. Two very notable ones who are into brain research is Stanford (SRI) and MIT.

Stanford - the CIA and other Institutions were involved in the various experiments on humans during the 1950-1970+. There is strong evidence that the experiments are still going on even though the people involved previously have either died, retired etc etc. There were over 160 different themes to the projects. MKultra 119 was I think about electromagnetic research. In 1950. The London office was apparently getting in on the act.

All experimentees were often conducted without consent from the victim. There seems to be also a consensus that a lot of experiments were done on white people for some reason.

In the UK - a lot of police, social workers and psychologists are trained at the Tavistock - pretending to be the institution trying to solve the problem and they are the problem.

I am aware that things can be done for good and bad - thought I needed to say that. It takes only a few to abuse the system and others will follow.
Or its a secret? Gnostic in nature.

The development of chemical, biological and radiological means were investigated for the purpose of mind control and this was common knowledge after it broke and Ted Kennedy exposed it.

Electromagnetic research discovered the range of brain states that can be altered to gain a specific outcome. 7.8hz is the natural earths resonance - its called Schumanns resonance. So a brain state can be induced by the hz range. So induced depression. anger another etc. All the emotions have been mapped. There is a handbook called The Diometry handbook which has them all in it - on the net available for all to see.

I have done extensive research and think I am being subjected to The Monarch programming - which is in my case a replicated version of trauma based mind control. Too long to go in here. It is considered to be called the Marionette Syndrome - A puppet attached to strings controlled by the puppet master. A form of Slavery in fact. It is a form of structured interrogation with occult integration. It is said that victims are chosen because they have been abused before? I think I have Theta and Omega - type programming. Mind reading - setting you up to fail and Omega for self destruction.

Yes very negative. I was actually told all this would happen to me in March. My mother witnessed it. After having been hypnotised, the double-bind coercian technique applied. A certain amount of NLP. The monarch programme is associated with e-harassment - referance is given to computer driven generators. The use of music as part of the harassment - which affect your well being basicly.

Tavistock - Stanford and MIT were considered centres for Monarch programming. Thus the British system has the knowledge to apply the techniques on people if they think they are unsuitable to continue existing. So what I am saying is that what I am experiencing is occult in nature and is ritual abuse.

So I put on my research hat on again and looked for some group who were into this who might be connected with the occult, linked with Britain maybe the area I lived in. Did I find it yes I did.

Its complicated this as - it covers a vast amount of ground. But the Tavistock had connections with the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. The Nazis were interested in this order - Himmler was. He came over to the UK before WW11 to participate in the things going on there. So a Nazi connection + the others too. The Nazis were interested in psychiatry as well - breaking point of humans=interrogation as we know from history. The Golden Dawn was an occult group - Aleister Crowley and Ron Hubbard were mates. When Aleister Crowley died Ron Hubbard started the Scientology movement based on the idea of the occult and the thetans. Theta is psychic in scientology speak. Thetan means life - entheta means death.

If you speak against the group - ie the truth - against the criminal cult was to kill oneself.

Tis true this. Hitler's movement was considered a cult as was mind controlling all. Scientology is too from documents on the net. Religion or Cult?

yes all this is bizarre and freakish but it was not difficult to work it out. The use of language, changing meanings is the earmark of a dangerous cult. I have been subjected to pain-pleasure, food, water, sleep deprived including memory deprivation. Classic conditioning processes connected to a cult.

Why do I think a cult - well its connected to the area and the history. I was recruited by a person who used the orwellian concept of double-think and double speak. Very very clever this.

Cults can be just plainly non confrontational, like a church - but a cult for me is negative - use if for destroying people for a reason.

I have run out of steam will add more later. Can I ask you why you use the Hawaiian hoponoporo - Joe Vitale / Dr Len as your signature?

Chicken

[spacegurl]

Madeleine's parents: 'British police are bugging our phonecalls and emails' (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=482815&in_page_id=1770&ct=5)

As a result they and some of their friends and supporters go to great lengths to avoid being overheard when they are discussing sensitive issues in the case of missing Madeleine, meetforing face-to-face or talking on landlines which they believe to be harder to intercept.


The source added: "They are entirely innocent and have nothing whatsoever to hide - but they are being understandably cautious about what they say on the phone and in emails."

[illuminotti]

Clarence Mitchell told them about the bugging!
rumour has it, in media circles that he also didn't resign from his government position, but was actually instantly dismissed!!

And the source they are always quoting, is Clarence Mitchell too

[spacegurl]

Yes it had to be someone at the top who informed them about the police monitoring and bugs. The McCanns, their family and friends are all behaving suspicious. If they're so innocent they shouldn't be afraid to hide anything should they.

[phildee3]

Thanks for bringing this thread back on topic somewhat, spacegurl.
Just as I warned, the polls create a diversion from this topic.
There are other threads about chipping. Please use them.
The title of this one is "Madeline Sacrafice."
I don't know if magicmerlin inteded it or not, but "sacrafice" is a combination of the words "sacrament" and "sacrifice" (note my signature, below).
Look up "theophagy" folks.
Then look at the evidence here with the white house dinner, four days after Maddie's dissappearance, when Bush used the satan's fangs handsign with the left hand, pointing down (as opposed to the horns, - right hand, pointing up) before and after dinner!
He did it again, recently, during the one minute silence on 9/11 which, of course, was also a ritual sacrifice (sorry - can't find the pic at the moment).
Note that the nature of the ritual sacrifices of people in Iraq, the twin towers and the Madaline Sacrafice, are different. They have different ritual functions, and purposes, and cannot substitute for each other.
Madeline was bred to be a carrier for the feminine aspect of the christ, - and then consumed - bringing the christ force into the service of the satanic NWO (which will backfire on them, of course).
(The) lamb was the main course at the dinner. Spring lamb, in fact; which is born, never eaten, in the spring. Maddie was born in the spring.

If you want to make progress in this here "unofficial investigation," quit following the media run-around and start looking at this, folks.
David told you what dubya and el-lizard-breath are up to with regard to child sacrifices.
You support him with your subscriptions but you don't listen to him.

Look up "theophagy."

[phoebe]

If they're so innocent they shouldn't be afraid to hide anything should they.

No offence spacegurl
But that's the kind of thing we hear from
The general public in response to
ID cards etc
And it's an extremely naive statement
If you don't mind me saying so.

[phoebe]

Thanks for bringing this thread back on topic somewhat, spacegurl.
Just as I warned, the polls create a diversion from this topic.
There are other threads about chipping. Please use them.
The title of this one is "Madeline Sacrafice."
I don't know if magicmerlin inteded it or not, but "sacrafice" is a combination of the words "sacrament" and "sacrifice" (note my signature, below).
Look up "theophagy" folks.
Then look at the evidence here with the white house dinner, four days after Maddie's dissappearance, when Bush used the satan's fangs handsign with the left hand, pointing down (as opposed to the horns, - right hand, pointing up) before and after dinner!
He did it again, recently, during the one minute silence on 9/11 which, of course, was also a ritual sacrifice (sorry - can't find the pic at the moment).
Note that the nature of the ritual sacrifices of people in Iraq, the twin towers and the Madaline Sacrafice, are different. They have different ritual functions, and purposes, and cannot substitute for each other.
Madeline was bred to be a carrier for the feminine aspect of the christ, - and then consumed - bringing the christ force into the service of the satanic NWO (which will backfire on them, of course).
(The) lamb was the main course at the dinner. Spring lamb, in fact; which is born, never eaten, in the spring. Maddie was born in the spring.

If you want to make progress in this here "unofficial investigation," quit following the media run-around and start looking at this, folks.
David told you what dubya and el-lizard-breath are up to with regard to child sacrifices.
You support him with your subscriptions but you don't listen to him.

Look up "theophagy."

What exactly do you mean by
'Bred to be the feminine aspect of the Christ'?

[reptilianshapeshifter]

No offence spacegurl
But that's the kind of thing we hear from
The general public in response to
ID cards etc
And it's an extremely naive statement
If you don't mind me saying so.

Yes, it's the same mentality that would give the police powers to just walk into your home and demand to search it for any reason at all. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear of us searching!

People don't seem to understand that there's no difference in invading people's privacy because they are suspected of a crime and invading their privacy when they aren't suspected. If there is tangible evidence to warrant searches then that is another matter but suspicion is not good enough and if we allow the "Nothing to fear, nothing to hide" argument then we are empowering people to investigate us without suspicion.

[spacegurl]

No offence spacegurl
But that's the kind of thing we hear from
The general public in response to
ID cards etc
And it's an extremely naive statement
If you don't mind me saying so.

What did I say that was naive? Considering that I have an opinion which isn't of the view from the masses. I already stated that I believe this was a sacrifice. Most people in the public don't assume this at all, in fact they would say I was mad for having the view that there is a conspiracy going on, which is very clear and obvious. The reason I mentioned there being nothing to hide is because it was printed in the article for public reading. I made a statement, not asking a naive question.

[chicken]

Hello - thank-you I shall continue the thread elsewhere. That is ok I am not offended:) I was just answering Julierays question.

I shall transfer it to the chipping site. No problem

As with many things there is a cross over. Monarch was about child ritual abuse - kids taken from loving families and - abused in satanic practices. Just because it was supposed to have stopped in the 70's does not mean it did.

chicken

[phildee3]

What exactly do you mean by
'Bred to be the feminine aspect of the Christ'?

It is well documented that the birth of Yesua ben Joseph (aka Jesus of Nazareth) was planned for three generations of strict Essene practices (pure diet, etc).

This was at a time of predomenantly patriarchal societies and so the christos entered the world through a male vehicle, else "he" would never have been listened to.

Now we are entering a different age, one where the feminine is regarded as just as much of an authority (if not more).

The recent interest in Mary Magdalene as the incarnation of the feminine aspect of the christ has only now become acceptable because of this.

The nazi elite that are in control of the US administration are today's equivalent of the romans back then, at the beginning of the piscean age.
It was them who performed the god-sacrifice then, it is for bush, queenie & co to do it now, at the beginning of the aquarian age.

They do it for the same reason - control over the masses.
It's the same old story of satan trying to usurp god's authority.


It's interesting that, both then and now, the preparation was through the female line. Perhaps the Y chromasome inhibits the process somehow.

[julieray]

Hello - thank-you I shall continue the thread elsewhere. That is ok I am not offended:) I was just answering Julierays question.

I shall transfer it to the chipping site. No problem

As with many things there is a cross over. Monarch was about child ritual abuse - kids taken from loving families and - abused in satanic practices. Just because it was supposed to have stopped in the 70's does not mean it did.

chicken

Hi Chicken,

Microchipping has got links to Madeleine McCann, because, as you so rightly state, it is interlinked. Just like sacrifice, satanism, etc. they have been all talked about on this thread, we are not going off on a tangent, so don't worry about it. Whereabouts in Wrexham do you have family?? It has got bigger in recent years because it is no longer a town but a whole County!!!:D

My signature is to make others aware how easy it is to make a difference in the world and it works. I just want to spread hope and positive vibes out to everyone because we all need it.

Have you tried seeking spiritual protection etc to try and help you?? I think being on this site, leaves us open to possible attack because we are all searching for the truth and are therefore a threat, so it is advisable just as a safeguard.

I spoke to a Policeman today regarding this case and he thinks it was the parents. When I pointed out the other theories being bashed about, he was quite adamant that none of his children would ever be microchipped. Whilst there is an even balance for and against this, let us stay positive and believe that we are half way there. Let their agenda backfire with regards to microchips and dna data bases for all and for anyone who has not been convicted of a crime but has their dna on the database, write off to demand it's removal!!

[phoebe]

What did I say that was naive? Considering that I have an opinion which isn't of the view from the masses. I already stated that I believe this was a sacrifice. Most people in the public don't assume this at all, in fact they would say I was mad for having the view that there is a conspiracy going on, which is very clear and obvious. The reason I mentioned there being nothing to hide is because it was printed in the article for public reading. I made a statement, not asking a naive question.


Naive with regard to saying that
'If they've nothing to hide, they won't mind being bugged.'
Have you got anything to hide?
Would you like to be bugged?
As reptilianshapeshifter said,
It's just giving 'them' the go-ahead to spy on
Anybody they like.

[phildee3]

It is no coincidence that the one who started this thread is named magicmerlin.
It was through his magic that the original Merlin created the child, Arthur.
After the child was weaned, he took what was his away from it's mother.

It was through the magic of modern technology that Maddie was made in the lab (magic is nothing more than a process which we do not yet understand).

Those who made her came back for her too.

(The plural here is justified by Kate's own statement; "They've taken her." She knows who they are just as well as Igraine knew who Merlin was).

[crowhawk]

It is no coincidence that the one who started this thread is named magicmerlin.
It was through his magic that the original Merlin created the child, Arthur.
After the child was weaned, he took what was his away from it's mother.

It was through the magic of modern technology that Maddie was made in the lab (magic is nothing more than a process which we do not yet understand).

Those who made her came back for her too.

(The plural here is justified by Kate's own statement; "They've taken her." She knows who they are just as well as Igraine knew who Merlin was).


Do you have any evidence for any of this???

[crowhawk]

I think the reason why this case isnt going away and why people are still commenting on it here (and elsewere) is the media handling of it.

A couple of middle-class Gods (aka doctors) went out on the lash every night leaving their kids, home alone. These werent just kids, they were babies. Another doctor in the party left a child of 18 mths home alone. The Gods called it dining, so well that's ok then. Except most of us know it wasnt dining, they were out on the pish and we also know if they worked in a local factory they would have been crucified in the media for leaving their kids alone.

I dont personally think it is any more sinister than neglectful parents who perhaps over-did sedation or calpol. But we now have these Gods championing missing children, telling the rest of us how to behave, without ONCE admitting they were wrong

This story wont go away because we have had other high profile people come out and say "we've all done it". No we fecking havent, I was a very young mother and I never did it and neither do most others. If I wanted to nip to the local shop, the kids came too.

The UK has this near-worship of doctors, which I have always found hard to comprehend. Their status is elevated far beyond their worth and many of them actually believe the hype. On the few occasions I have seen doctors who arent British born I fully appreciate that they dont have this "holier than thou" attitude which British born doctors have.

We have a situation where the media with their refusal to criticise these neglectful parents are condoning leaving small children. What message is this sending to young parents today?

At last I found someone with something sensible to say!! Hey you go to a doctor to be patronised. If you object they throw you out & label you as abusive or difficult. If you try to bypass the system & horror of horrors, self medicate, you're a drug abuser. Rich, coming from someone who's nothing more than a ponce for the drug co's. If they were "working class" they'd have been remanded in custody, the tabloid press would have gave vent to it's self righteous spleen in a tirade against "evil, binge drinking abusive parents" & lamented the lack of government/Social Services action. By now they'd have been forgotten about or perhaps part remembered as we recycled our old fish & chip wrapping.

[julieray]

It is no coincidence that the one who started this thread is named magicmerlin.
It was through his magic that the original Merlin created the child, Arthur.
After the child was weaned, he took what was his away from it's mother.

It was through the magic of modern technology that Maddie was made in the lab (magic is nothing more than a process which we do not yet understand).

Those who made her came back for her too.

(The plural here is justified by Kate's own statement; "They've taken her." She knows who they are just as well as Igraine knew who Merlin was).

A Wiccan I know asked spirit a while back to ask if Merlin, the man was a real man and he was told that he was not real. Just thought I would mention this.

[phildee3]

Do you have any evidence for any of this???

yes

[phildee3]

A Wiccan I know asked spirit a while back to ask if Merlin, the man was a real man and he was told that he was not real.

A real spirit??

[phoebe]

It is well documented that the birth of Yesua ben Joseph (aka Jesus of Nazareth) was planned for three generations of strict Essene practices (pure diet, etc).

This was at a time of predomenantly patriarchal societies and so the christos entered the world through a male vehicle, else "he" would never have been listened to.

Now we are entering a different age, one where the feminine is regarded as just as much of an authority (if not more).

The recent interest in Mary Magdalene as the incarnation of the feminine aspect of the christ has only now become acceptable because of this.

The nazi elite that are in control of the US administration are today's equivalent of the romans back then, at the beginning of the piscean age.
It was them who performed the god-sacrifice then, it is for bush, queenie & co to do it now, at the beginning of the aquarian age.

They do it for the same reason - control over the masses.
It's the same old story of satan trying to usurp god's authority.


It's interesting that, both then and now, the preparation was through the female line. Perhaps the Y chromasome inhibits the process somehow.

Very interesting, thank you.

[spacegurl]

Naive with regard to saying that
'If they've nothing to hide, they won't mind being bugged.'
Have you got anything to hide?
Would you like to be bugged?
As reptilianshapeshifter said,
It's just giving 'them' the go-ahead to spy on
Anybody they like.

You totally misundertsood me. I'm not going to argue with you on this anymore because this thread isn't about me. I've already stated my opinion, that there is a big conspiracy surrounding the Madeleine case, what with all these powerful people coming out from the woodwork to back up the McCanns. I already said this was likely a sacrifice because of the traits and behaviour of the people involved, protecting eachother and their public reputation. My post wasn't coming from the angle you took it. No I don't want to be microchipped. I've nothing to hide but I believe in privacy. Have you read my previous posts?

I was merely pointing out that they are acting this way because there is a cover up going on. I have no idea why you're starting a fight with me because you read something you didn't like. You originally started your post by saying "no offence" when in fact you were being quite offensive anyway. What is the point in doing that?

[spacegurl]

A Wiccan I know asked spirit a while back to ask if Merlin, the man was a real man and he was told that he was not real. Just thought I would mention this.

Are you basing this as a fact, purely because someone told you a "spirit" told her this?

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/3/32/Maddy_McCann.jpg

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/4/4a/Wheresmaddie.jpg

[phoebe]

You totally misundertsood me. I'm not going to argue with you on this anymore because this thread isn't about me. I've already stated my opinion, that there is a big conspiracy surrounding the Madeleine case, what with all these powerful people coming out from the woodwork to back up the McCanns. I already said this was likely a sacrifice because of the traits and behaviour of the people involved, protecting eachother and their public reputation. My post wasn't coming from the angle you took it. No I don't want to be microchipped. I've nothing to hide but I believe in privacy. Have you read my previous posts?

I was merely pointing out that they are acting this way because there is a cover up going on. I have no idea why you're starting a fight with me because you read something you didn't like. You originally started your post by saying "no offence" when in fact you were being quite offensive anyway. What is the point in doing that?

If you think that someone disagreeing with you
Is offensive then...
There's nothing more I can say.

[chicken]

Julieray - thanks for your kind words - spiritual protection? No do not need to. I do not believe in all of that stuff I am afraid. However the town I come from was the centre of the theosophy society in the 1880's - connected to the occult and social Darwinism. I think it has moved into a newer and higher dimension. Yes it is still connected with chipping

I still think the occult dimension is very much alive and well in the UK - People, can cover and lie and use the idea of double think and double speak to get what they want. Its commonly called deception. Problem is though - you don't realise until it is too late.

The case is simple - she was "taken" for what reason - they may never find out?

Chicken

[spacegurl]

If you think that someone disagreeing with you
Is offensive then...
There's nothing more I can say.

No. It's offensive to call someone you don't know "naive" and have a low opinion like you did when based upon some words of mine that you took out of context. You still haven't even answered my points about my previous posts that I explained twice to you. Basically none of this matters. Why waste the energy. This thread is about Madeleine.

[edelweiss pirate]

Philidee2 wrote:

Now we are entering a different age, one where the feminine is regarded as just as much of an authority (if not more).

No, we're entering an age where women no longer have the right to stay at home and bring up their children.
It's now economically impossible to bring up a family on a single wage.

Boy aren't we all so lucky to have to go to work!


Women are even less 'empowered' than before.

[phildee3]

No, we're entering an age where women no longer have the right to stay at home and bring up their children.
It's now economically impossible to bring up a family on a single wage.

Boy aren't we all so lucky to have to go to work!

Women are even less 'empowered' than before.

I see your point, edelweiss, and agree.
But only on the political and practical level.
It always takes a while for the mundane to catch up with the spiritual/cosmic influences that are acting upon it; - even to the point of a temporary backlash at times.
But the transition is happening.
Women were respected in the Taurean age - when goddesses were rife.
The cycle has come round again, believe me.
We're still in the cusp, remember.

[crowhawk]

It is well documented that the birth of Yesua ben Joseph (aka Jesus of Nazareth) was planned for three generations of strict Essene practices (pure diet, etc).


No it isn't. There is absolutely no evidence that anyone called Jesus of Nazareth or Christ ever existed! it is a continuation of a far older pagan "Godman myth which can be raced back through the Roman god Mithra, the Greek Dionysus, & the Egyptian Horus. Christianity is basically a mish-mash of earlier sungod traditions. By some of the logic I've seen on this site If I was born in Chipping Sodbury then that is "evidence" that I'm an agent of dark forces conspiring to ID chip people!!?? You could at least attempt to keep speculation within the bounds of credibility? Oh I know I must have been abducted by Satanic aliens who took away my freedom to think. Come to think of it, I do have a scar on my left arm I always thought was a TB jab. Perhaps it's a kind of mind control chip placed there by the Freemasons? Perhaps I should construct a hat out of tinfoil?

[phoebe]

No. It's offensive to call someone you don't know "naive" and have a low opinion like you did when based upon some words of mine that you took out of context. You still haven't even answered my points about my previous posts that I explained twice to you. Basically none of this matters. Why waste the energy. This thread is about Madeleine.

Your statement was naive imo.
I won't be answering your points
And I don't need to read your previous posts.
Reptilianshapeshifter covered everything
That I think about this
In his/her post following mine
So there's no need to reiterate.

[phildee3]

It is well documented that the birth of Yesua ben Joseph (aka Jesus of Nazareth) was planned for three generations of strict Essene practices (pure diet, etc).

No it isn't.

Yes it is.
In the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are well established by scholars to be authentic.

[spacegurl]

Your statement was naive imo.
I won't be answering your points
And I don't need to read your previous posts.
Reptilianshapeshifter covered everything
That I think about this
In his/her post following mine
So there's no need to reiterate.

Yes it was only your opinion. Why don't you want to read my previous posts or answer my points? Reptilianshapeshifter is correct because most people would allow CCTV, microchipping and extra surveillance using that arguement. However to be honest with you, I don't agree with the public. You did take my post entirely the wrong way and I was only emphasising the fact the McCanns tell the public they've nothing to hide but don't want to be listened in on.

[tinmenace]

Yes it was only your opinion. Why don't you want to read my previous posts or answer my points? Reptilianshapeshifter is correct because most people would allow CCTV, microchipping and extra surveillance using that arguement. However to be honest with you, I don't agree with the public. You did take my post entirely the wrong way and I was only emphasising the fact the McCanns tell the public they've nothing to hide but don't want to be listened in on.


It's not her style to have an actual opinion, or to address questions in a discussion. Her style is to be contrary to WHATEVER you say, to condescendingly question your thoughts and theories and to defend trolls. That pretty much sums up her function on this forum.

Don't waste too much energy on this bridge Spacegurl...just keep moving along. ;)

[graflok]

^ So true. ;)

[lostinstrangeworld]

At the end of the day, no-one can prove if this Madeleine case has anything to do with the Illuminati or whatever.

All we can do is merely speculate, debate, weigh things up, etc.

BUT this is NO proof.

We just don't know.

So meanwhile, why don't the compassionate amongst us pray or meditate or focus white magic....whatever you believe......into helping the soul of Maddy whether she is in this world still or has passed over......into healing.

We can do this for any missing child we may hear about.

Let's focus our thoughts on some justice and truth to come out of this, fight against whatever may mislead us in the media.

For all matter is energy and so are our thoughts.


Peace.

[julieray]

Are you basing this as a fact, purely because someone told you a "spirit" told her this?

I was basing this on the fact that this man, who I know and trust who is an extremely spiritual man and extremely knowledgable and who I would not doubt for a minute with his abilities. So yes, I am indeed basing this purely on what he said at the time. If he is wrong, I would be very, very surprised as he has been a psychic medium since he was a very small boy and he knows so much, it is quite spooky.

He used to be our medium in circle, but unfortunately he no longer runs it, so am not in contact with him anymore.

[phoebe]

Yes it was only your opinion. Why don't you want to read my previous posts or answer my points? Reptilianshapeshifter is correct because most people would allow CCTV, microchipping and extra surveillance using that arguement. However to be honest with you, I don't agree with the public. You did take my post entirely the wrong way and I was only emphasising the fact the McCanns tell the public they've nothing to hide but don't want to be listened in on.

I don't want to get into silly tiffs about nothing
That's why I don't want to go back over your posts
And pick them apart.
As you said: 'This thread is about Madeleine, why waste the energy?'
My entire point was regarding your point highlighted in bold above.
It's the old chestnut 'If you've nothing to hide, you won't mind being
Surveilled/bugged/having your privacy invaded.'
I just don't agree with that mindset -
And as far as global control goes,
I think it's a dangerous one.
That's all I was pointing out
And whether you believe it or not
I really didn't mean any offence to you personally.

[phoebe]

It's not her style to have an actual opinion, or to address questions in a discussion. Her style is to be contrary to WHATEVER you say, to condescendingly question your thoughts and theories and to defend trolls. That pretty much sums up her function on this forum.

Don't waste too much energy on this bridge Spacegurl...just keep moving along. ;)

That is absolute rubbish tin.
I was stating my opinion when I said
That I thought Spacegurl's comment was naive.
Just because I don't wish to get into petty squabbles
With her regarding this, doesn't mean I'm being
Deliberately contrary.
You only see what you want to see tin
In that you don't notice my posts where
I do discuss things and provide positive input to the forum.
You only notice when I disagree with someone.
Let Spacegurl 'waste' her energy if she wants
Or not, as she sees fit - why the need to
Try to make her think of me the way you do?
ie. That I'm a troll because I didn't
Agree with her statement?

[phoebe]

^ So true. ;)

Now there's a thing...
A post about me by tinmenace
Followed by a back up from Graflok. :rolleyes:
I didn't see that one coming. ;)

[spacegurl]

Getting back on the Medeleine topic, I read somewhere (it could've been on a link to someone's blog posted somewhere on this thread) saying that the blood samples in the hotel apartment belonged to a corpse. I would like to know more about that.

[tinmenace]

Getting back on the Medeleine topic, I read somewhere (it could've been on a link to someone's blog posted somewhere on this thread) saying that the blood samples in the hotel apartment belonged to a corpse. I would like to know more about that.

If that is true, then I'd say the parents have a lot of explaining to do.

I heard on the news that Kate said that the DNA could have come from PJ's or diapers. :rolleyes:

Diapers? Really? Why would she have kept dirty diapers?

It's just not adding up.

Also, I find it VERY interesting that Sir Richard Branson from VIRGIN (Madeleine is a version of Magdalene which refers to Magdala, the VIRGIN mother of Christ) is donating money to their cause. Is the ongoing symbolism with this thing completely off the scale or what?? - LINK (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=55128&postcount=157)

[phildee3]

Getting back on the Medeleine topic, I read somewhere (it could've been on a link to someone's blog posted somewhere on this thread) saying that the blood samples in the hotel apartment belonged to a corpse. I would like to know more about that.

Personally, I would be wary of anything that sounds like it's out of a murder mystery book; - like this and the police conjuring up images of her body being weighted down and dumped out at sea!
Or incinerators - now that's a gem!
If it sounds like fiction, it's probably not a duck!

[spacegurl]

Tinmenace, yes, "Virgin" word link with the a virgin = often an innocent/child. Also J.K. Rowling, author of popular kids books Harry Potter is another major celeb who got involved in backing up the McCanns. The ones with the most influence, money and power are gathering around Madeleine's parents as if closing ranks or protecting them from further investigaton.

[tinmenace]

Yes, "Virgin" word link with the a virgin = often an innocent/child. Also J.K. Rowling, author of popular kids books Harry Potter is another major celeb who got involved in backing up the McCanns. The ones with the most influence, money and power are gathering around Madeleine's parents as if closing ranks or protecting them from further investigaton.

Bingo!

[phildee3]

Why would she have kept dirty diapers?

Apparantly, they were the twins'.
(At almost four years old, Maddie wouldn't be using them would she??)
Trash had to be driven half a mile to the nearest trash can cause the resort didn't provide them! - unbelievable!!!

[phoebe]

If that is true, then I'd say the parents have a lot of explaining to do.

I heard on the news that Kate said that the DNA could have come from PJ's or diapers. :rolleyes:

Diapers? Really? Why would she have kept dirty diapers?

It's just not adding up.


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/19511/Madeleine-Her-mother-is-innocent

Indeed.
Why throw dirty nappies into the car
When putting them in the bin would seem the
Logical thing to do.
The article above refers to the hair found in the car
Saying that it may have come from pyjamas
That had been 'dumped' on the backseat.
(These people don't use bags or suitcases???)
In an article I read before, it stated that
There was apparently 'so much hair'
That it was obvious it had come from a body
Being stored in the boot.
:confused:

[tinmenace]

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/19511/Madeleine-Her-mother-is-innocent

Indeed.
Why throw dirty nappies into the car
When putting them in the bin would seem the
Logical thing to do.
The article above refers to the hair found in the car
Saying that it may have come from pyjamas
That had been 'dumped' on the backseat.
(These people don't use bags or suitcases???)
In an article I read before, it stated that
There was apparently 'so much hair'
That it was obvious it had come from a body
Being stored in the boot.
:confused:





Yes, this is not easily explained away.

[jinjo5]

That is absolute rubbish tin.
I was stating my opinion when I said
That I thought Spacegurl's comment was naive.
Just because I don't wish to get into petty squabbles
With her regarding this, doesn't mean I'm being
Deliberately contrary.
You only see what you want to see tin
In that you don't notice my posts where
I do discuss things and provide positive input to the forum.
You only notice when I disagree with someone.
Let Spacegurl 'waste' her energy if she wants
Or not, as she sees fit - why the need to
Try to make her think of me the way you do?
ie. That I'm a troll because I didn't
Agree with her statement?
Well said P,tin,you have no right to tell anyone to "move along",everyone on here is entitled to their say,however ridiculous some opinions may some to me,thats their right.
This word TROLL is grossly over-used,what does it mean?
Are you a troll cos you disagree with someone on here?
Are you a troll cos you dont accept some of the more extreme views?
There is no such thing,whatever anybody wants to say,whether its being deliberately provocative for the sake of it or playing devil's advocate or putting forward a ridiculous theory or putting a genuine thought or queery.
Its up to the reader to decide which is which and treat accordingly.

[phildee3]

(Madeleine is a version of Magdalene which refers to Magdala, the VIRGIN mother of Christ)

Forgive me for correcting you here, tinmenace, but I think this is fundamentally important to the understanding of this whole thing.

Magdala is a town. Magdalene means "of Magdala."
Mary (the) Magdalene was the "companion" of Jesus of Nazareth.
His (supposedly virgin) mother was another Mary.

However, Mary Magdalene was also said to have been a virgin,
(although "virgin" may be seen as a mistranslation of the Greek for "chaste, pure," ie. true to one's betrothal vows).

[tinmenace]

Well said P,tin,you have no right to tell anyone to "move along",everyone on here is entitled to their say,however ridiculous some opinions may some to me,thats their right.
This word TROLL is grossly over-used,what does it mean?
Are you a troll cos you disagree with someone on here?
Are you a troll cos you dont accept some of the more extreme views?
There is no such thing,whatever anybody wants to say,whether its being deliberately provocative for the sake of it or playing devil's advocate or putting forward a ridiculous theory or putting a genuine thought or queery.
Its up to the reader to decide which is which and treat accordingly.


You trying to get this moved to the rant room?

[tinmenace]

Forgive me for correcting you here, tinmenace, but I think this is fundamentally important to the understanding of this whole thing.

Magdala is a town. Magdalene means "of Magdala."
Mary (the) Magdalene was the "companion" of Jesus of Nazareth.
His (supposedly virgin) mother was another Mary.

However, Mary Magdalene was also said to have been a virgin,
(although "virgin" may be seen as a mistranslation of the Greek for "chaste, pure," ie. true to one's betrothal vows).

Yes, I was kinda brief and disconnected about it, but if you follow the link I provided you'll see a more complete connection.

[jinjo5]

If that is true, then I'd say the parents have a lot of explaining to do.

I heard on the news that Kate said that the DNA could have come from PJ's or diapers. :rolleyes:

Diapers? Really? Why would she have kept dirty diapers?

It's just not adding up.

Also, I find it VERY interesting that Sir Richard Branson from VIRGIN (Madeleine is a version of Magdalene which refers to Magdala, the VIRGIN mother of Christ) is donating money to their cause. Is the ongoing symbolism with this thing completely off the scale or what?? - LINK (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=55128&postcount=157)


..."richard branson from virgin",i sincerely hope tin that is not one of your theories.....or is it just a point?....either way,you couldnt get a more tenuos "link" if you tried.
This thread continues to surprise me......"how can i make this fit" attitude.
Did branson,think 30/40 years ago,when his business was taking off that calling it VIRGIN would cover a multitude of sins in the future?
Bull,bull,and even more bullshit.

[phildee3]

if you follow the link I provided you'll see a more complete connection.

Oh yeh. Sorry, I missed that. Very good!
It's still important, though, to note that Mary Magdalene is the companion, not the mother, of Jesus.

Is who Catholic? The McCanns?
They are Roman Catholics, yes.

[jinjo5]

Oh yeh. Sorry, I missed that. Very good!
It's still important, though, to note that Mary Magdalene is the companion, not the mother, of Jesus.

Is who Catholic? The McCanns?
They are Roman Catholics, yes.
......youre presuming jesus existed?

[phildee3]

......youre presuming jesus existed?

try me on another thread...

[jinjo5]

try me on another thread...
...your reply is ambigiuos,from that i could assume youre a complete,unthinking bible-basher or an agnostic,at the least.

[graflok]

Now there's a thing...
A post about me by tinmenace
Followed by a back up from Graflok. :rolleyes:
I didn't see that one coming. ;)

Surely you don't believe there is a conspiracy.

[jinjo5]

You trying to get this moved to the rant room?
...not at all..........i presume you think its a rant cos it doesnt agree with you?

[jinjo5]

Surely you don't believe there is conspiracy.
smugsville,arizona.............flokky

[cheeb]

Oh yeh. Sorry, I missed that. Very good!
It's still important, though, to note that Mary Magdalene is the companion, not the mother, of Jesus.

Is who Catholic? The McCanns?
They are Roman Catholics, yes.

They went to Rome,
And met the pope.

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7861/07hp0436ho6.jpg

The also visited the shrine of ,
Our lady of Fatima,

And it gets weird in this article:

http://www.express.co.uk/ourcomments/view/19301

[phoebe]

Surely you don't believe there is conspiracy.

No.
I just think that some lead and some follow.
It's fairly obvious who's who.
Anyway...
I'll not be engaging in any tit for tat nonsense
With you on this thread graflok.

[phildee3]

yes, "Virgin" word link with the a virgin = often an innocent/child. Also J.K. Rowling, author of popular kids books Harry Potter is another major celeb who got involved in backing up the McCanns. The ones with the most influence, money and power are gathering around Madeleine's parents as if closing ranks or protecting them from further investigaton.

Yes.
And the "friends" they were with at the bar are now saying that Kate came in shouting "Madeline's gone. Madeline's gone."
This after five months of the police going on the fact of her shouting "They've taken her" as a key piece of evidence!

source: yesterday's Daily Mail

[graflok]

smugsville,arizona.............flokky

Tell you what. You can call me flokky if I can call you turdface. Deal?

[fransetter]

AND ANOTHER millionaire donates funds and services to the McCanns. AND that person just happens to be a Kennedy.

Just a co-incidence dear muppets. Nothing to worry about. :D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7008872.stm

[sukyspook]

So has Clarence Mitchell taken the plunge to become McCann PR guru too late...the story has lost its lustre and now another tactic has to be introduced to keep the goyim confused (babel/babble = confusion).

Are you as sick and tired of all this stupid propaganda as me??? And I'm referring back thousands of years to ancient Babylon and before and since......time for change. Time for the truth.

Watch out for Clarence now taking on the roll of 'blue tongue guru'.....you couldn't make all this up could you - well, somebody does ROFL!!!!!

Not forgetting in all this - that poor child Madeleine, whatever has befallen her, may the Most High Divine Force/Source in the Universe that some men call God, bless, keep and help Madeleine and all truthseekers everywhere.

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/terror_dees.jpg

http://www.rense.com/

[jinjo5]

Tell you what. You can call me flokky if I can call you turdface. Deal?
That's fine by me flokky,dont you like the name?
i think its cute.......like you:eek:;)
Not sure about Turdface though,matey peeps.......you aint seen me..........unless....erm.....you want a date!:eek:
Ive gone red now!:D;)

[crowhawk]

Yes it is.
In the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are well established by scholars to be authentic.

The "Dead Sea Scrolls" may well be authentic. That means the article is genuine, ie the papyrus is of it's time, not a fake. That is not proof that what is said, or written within them is true! The Odyssey is an "authentic" piece of Greek literature does this constitute evidence of the existence of the god Zeus, or the goddess Athena? Is the Egyptian Book Of The Dead evidence of the falcon headed god Horus? As far as I'm aware there is no reliable record of Jesus Christ in any of the Dead Sea Scrolls! So I'll say it again There is no evidence that anyone called Jesus Christ (meaning messiah) of Nazareth ever existed!!!

[tinmenace]

The "Dead Sea Scrolls" may well be authentic. That means the article is genuine, ie the papyrus is of it's time, not a fake. That is not proof that what is said, or written within them is true! The Odyssey is an "authentic" piece of Greek literature does this constitute evidence of the existence of the god Zeus, or the goddess Athena? Is the Egyptian Book Of The Dead evidence of the falcon headed god Horus? As far as I'm aware there is no reliable record of Jesus Christ in any of the Dead Sea Scrolls! So I'll say it again There is no evidence that anyone called Jesus Christ (meaning messiah) of Nazareth ever existed!!!

You're right. One cannot insist that what is written in a document is fact, merely because the document exists.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

That's fine by me flokky,dont you like the name?
i think its cute.......like you:eek:;)
Not sure about Turdface though,matey peeps.......you aint seen me..........unless....erm.....you want a date!:eek:
Ive gone red now!:D;)

haha:D

[jetta]

[QUOTE=crowhawk;132702]No it isn't. There is absolutely no evidence that anyone called Jesus of Nazareth or Christ ever existed![QUOTE]

One thing I disagree with David Icke about is, in one of his books (or maybe more than one, and I can't recall which one this is) he states that Jesus did not exist. The reason I think the debate about Jesus's existence should be tied in with this thread, is the connection to Mary Magdalene.....Madeleine Mcann. First of all read this page here (http://www.rense.com/general28/brit.htm).......I have never read this before but this is fascinating reading: according to this author, Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene. Also a lot of other interesting stuff there.... Now this link (http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~drjh/chapter14.html): if you go to the 13th paragraph, the "eye of Horus" is mentioned. Earlier on in this thread I pointed out- Madeleine Mcann's eye "defect" is the same as the Eye of Horus, and how I'd read in a Linda Goodman book that the planet "Horus" is meant to be the ruler of Taurus (although when she wrote that book, the recently discovered planet which they named "Sedna" I think) had not yet been discovered. Madeleine Mcann was born on 12th May (Taurus). Maybe this (http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~drjh/appendixi.html) is a bit tenuous, but it is about Australia being the "motherland" as in Israel being the Jewish motherland; many people have emigrated to Australia over the centuries, but (although I don't have any statistical proof) that most of them were originally from Cornwall. Cornwall is mentioned again here (http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~drjh/appendixii.html), as is Mary Magdalene. A few years ago I read a biography of an autistic girl, written by her mother. Autistic children don't communicate much but when she did speak, she indicated that in a past life she had been Peter, one of Jesus's disciples. She tried to communicate something to her mother about "triangles". The shape in Madeleine Mcann's eye is a triangle, and the triangle is connected with the idea of the "trinity". Someone on here said that Madeleine Mcann was apparently "semi-autistic". I have a bizarre conclusion to that in that in a past life, Madeleine Mcann was Mary Magdalene. Somehow this could be the reason behind her disappearance; perhaps "the powers that be" do not want anyone to know this. (young children often recall their past lives, even from centuries ago). The Catholic church is (as far as I know) against the concept of reincarnation, so you can draw your own conclusions from that. I also have a personal interest in Cornwall as just about all my ancestors (as far back as I can go) were born there, so I also have an interest in how people (like the Phoenicians) migrated to Cornwall from middle-eastern countries, e.g Syria and Lebanon.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations!, Crowhawk:

Interesting points you make. Perhaps; instead of searching for a 'character' 'named' 'jesus', amongst the Ancient Texts, alter your search by imputing the name Yahshua, as this is the name of the Berobed and Sandled Rabbi who was the Figurehead of a Messianic Cult in ancient Judea, Samaria.

Encyclopedia Judaica, whose Scholarship is renowned, has information on this actual, historic, character.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[indigo]

This whole fucking case annoys me.

The Mcscams rushed back to england to get a new spokesperson to get their story straight.

The case generated lots more interest once the mcscams were accused by the media. Which is what they wanted probably:mad:

Then you have Branson sticking his oar in and all the other gobshites with a bit of cash.

I still think she is alive and she is probably gonna be the most famous person on the planet once this all ends. She will probably become Mother madeleine Mccann. Has a nice tring to it. NOT:mad:

[phildee3]

She will probably become Mother madeleine Mccann.

I think it's the twins that are getting set up for centre stage.

[phildee3]

she is probably gonna be the most famous person on the planet once this all ends.

it ain't never gonna end,
until everyone admits that Bush coulda done it.

[zoloko]

I LOVE YOU!

I have not written on this thread since the beginnig of Madeleins dissapearence!
What happened lately only confirms what I believed about this case from the start!
I think Madeleine was taken with the parents concent! There are lot´s of teories for that. The parents knew where she was and helped planning how she was going to be "miracuosly found"!
But then it went wrong, when they were bringing her there, maybe she "made a fuss" and they overdosed her! It blew the whole plan and now they are stalling, figuring out how to twist it to make sence to the average person!

THANK YOU!

[jp13]

Hi j1sproductions,

Yes!.....I totally agree the letter 'm' is the 13th letter of the alphabet " The Powers That Be" are always attaching the number 13 and the letter 'm' to negativity to subconsciously programme us......they are trying to suppress this vibration......from my own observations this vibration seems to be connected to the vibration of the truth.




Original ISO sign

http://www.setonuk-safety-signs.co.uk/No-Smoking-Sign.jpg

New UK sign

http://www.wybone.co.uk/download/pictures/Miscellanious/no-smoking%5B1%5D.jpg

That’s a great observation you made with the vibration of 33 in the smoke this is another vibration that "The Powers That Be" are constantly trying to suppress in our subconscious minds.......



Yea I know what you mean.......I thought the website had a really sinister feel about it.

Good post.......:)

Love
&
Peace

Also the twin towers where the smoke 33 is issuing from, apologies if this has already been covered

[phildee3]

A Wiccan I know asked spirit a while back to ask if Merlin, the man was a real man and he was told that he was not real. Just thought I would mention this.

...this man, who I know and trust who is an extremely spiritual man and extremely knowledgable and who I would not doubt for a minute with his abilities.

He doesn't sound very spiritual to me;
- more like a historian.

If he's a real medium, then he is channelling a lying spirit.

In the spiritual realm, Merlin is very real!

However, his spiritual body is in a type of "cryonic suspension," variously described as "sleeping" or "frozen" in Arthurian literature.

[phildee3]

I think it's the twins that are getting set up for centre stage.

They were also made in the lab, - like their sister,
but being two years younger, they would be the result of even more advanced genetic engineering techniques.

Has anybody noticed their names; -
"shorn" and "a meal"??

"Spring lamb" is the elite's favourite dish, it seems!

[spacegurl]

They were also made in the lab, - like their sister,
but being two years younger, they would be the result of even more advanced genetic engineering techniques.

Has anybody noticed their names; -
"shorn" and "a meal"??

"Spring lamb" is the elite's favourite dish, it seems!

Sean is an Irish name and a varient of Shon. It means "God's gracious gift".
Amelia is Latin and the name means "industrious".
Madeleine is of Hebrew origin and it means "woman from Magdela". Magdela is a town on the sea of Galilee and home of Saint Mary Magdalen.
More about names (http://www.thinkbabynames.com)

[phildee3]

Sean is an Irish name and a varient of Shon. It means "God's gracious gift".
Amelia is Latin and the name means "industrious".

Subliminal programming does not work with etymological meanings, but with associative phonemes.
The sheeple are not as thinking as us, spacegurl.

[illuminotti]

AND ANOTHER millionaire donates funds and services to the McCanns. AND that person just happens to be a Kennedy.

Just a co-incidence dear muppets. Nothing to worry about. :D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7008872.stm


Brian kennedy is the uncle of either kate or gerry, who in turn used to go to uni with gordon brown, also his business is 5.5million in debt and the process of insolvency (i think).....................just what exactly have this family got on gordon brown?

[magicmerlin]

Interesting that he owns the Latium Group, because Latium goes back to ancient Italy and has immense patrimony of the city of Rome and has a huge wealth of treasures spread over churches, abbeys and religious sites. Maybe I'm clutching at straws but it's ironic there are all these links....

It's also just occured to me that the chances are there is going to be an election soon, and we all know that elections are often called for during times of public fevre.....surely they wouldnt find maddy and call an election.

[spacegurl]

Subliminal programming does not work with etymological meanings, but with associative phonemes.
The sheeple are not as thinking as us, spacegurl.

I posted that because I wanted to point out the names chosen by the McCann parents. If Madeleine has really been sacrificed (which points to that and I believe it's a very possible chance she has) then her name meant something at the time she was either conceived or born. I read in Icke's books that usual sacrifice victims are chosen from when they're conceived and living in the womb, and are treated coldly in their brief lifetime. The parents of Madeleine are cold, and they don't seem as if they really loved her. Maybe they cut off emotional feelings from her because they were aware of her destiny to be sacrificed? If so then that might also explain that her sacrifice was planned, ritually. They also picked her name carefully. They're religious so Madeleine (and that general site even says the name comes from Mary Magdelin) had the name for a purpose. Marlene and Marlyn was also listed as varients and it resembles Marilyn (Remember Marilyn Monroe?). The twins names are also apt: "gods gift" and "industrious" meanings could be translated as something hidden if you look. Your post was interesting that Sean and Amelia sound like shorn and meal. Sean is a varient of "shawn" (to sever) and Amelia is a varient of "Meelia".

[fransetter]

Brian kennedy is the uncle of either kate or gerry, who in turn used to go to uni with gordon brown, also his business is 5.5million in debt and the process of insolvency (i think).....................just what exactly have this family got on gordon brown?

I don't know, but the links between them really ought to be looked at in more depth.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

What happened with this "psychic guy" *chortle* who was promising her safe return in either August or September. He's only got 6 days left to honour that promise ;)

[phildee3]

Goat named "Maddie" beheaded in mock satanic sacrifice:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/woman-beheads-goat-in-sacrifice/2007/09/24/1190486199997.html

[siliconpsychosis]

Something on the news about an apparent sighting of Madeleine in Morocco. (MMM.s)

Maybe Bush will threaten to bomb Morocco unless they hand over Madeleine.

[soglad]

Blonde hair, blue eyed kid? Sure, I've seen Madaliene everwhere! :D

[phildee3]

Something on the news about an apparent sighting of Madeleine in Morocco.

That's right.
She was with a guy in a white turban and dyed black beard.

[mercuryrapids]

The McCanns have apparently hired Control Risks Group to find her. This is a company that does a lot of work for governments and big business.

Madeleine sighting 'encouraging' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7010224.stm)

Control Risks Group (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Control_Risks_Group)

[phildee3]

New post on "Bush Makes Hand Sign in 911 Moment of Silence":

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=136870&posted=1#post136870

[zoloko]

I LOVE YOU!

Just saw this!The First Post: Confusion in Portuguese justice (http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?storyID=8813)

THANK YOU!

[mariag]

Apparently hollowood is making a film about madeleine disapearance in portugal ....


Found this article on Bebo

"Affleck Delays Film Over Madeleine
Ben Affleck has delayed the release of his new film - because of the "depth of feeling" over the Madeleine McCann case.

The Hollywood star's directorial debut Gone Baby Gone has striking similarities to the four-year-old's disappearance in Portugal.

Distributor Buena Vista International has now shelved the thriller in the UK because of fears of a backlash.

It tells the story of a four-year-old girl who is abducted from her bed after her mother leaves her alone in the house.

The child actress playing the role, Madeline O'Brien, not only shares her first name with Madeleine McCann, but is even said to look like the missing girl.

Madeleine McCann, also four, vanished from a holiday apartment in the Algarve on May 3 while her parents ate at a nearby tapas restaurant.

A spokesman for Buena Vista International confirmed: "We are sensitive to the depth of feeling surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

"We have been carefully following the case and have decided to delay the release of the film in the UK."
Madeleine vanished in Portugal
Madeleine vanished in Portugal

Affleck told reporters: "We don't want to release the movie if it is going to touch a nerve or inflame anybody's sensitivities."

His film had been scheduled for UK release in December.

Sky News' showbiz writer Neil Sean, who interviewed the star about his directorial debut, said: "He told me he'd suffered problems with the film because of the sensitivity of the story.

"And that was before the Madeleine McCann case. So it'd be almost impossible now because of the backlash it'd get.

"It would be horrendous if he put it out! I think it will go to DVD and go out on selective release."

In the thriller, two detectives - played by Affleck's younger brother Casey and Michelle Monaghan - search for the abducted girl after she vanishes in Boston.

Morgan Freeman and Ed Harris also star in the flick, which was produced, directed and co-written by Affleck.

The story is an adaptation of a Dennis Lehane novel, who wrote Mystic River.

Affleck and Matt Damon won an Oscar in 1998 for writing Good Will Hunting."

[phildee3]

Apparently hollowood is making a film about madeleine disapearance in portugal ....

No they're not.
Why don't you read your own post?
The film was made before the Maddie case.

[peachped]

Could the girl in this picture be Madeleine McCann?
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_04/mccannlength2509_468x1008.jpg







A photogaph of a small girl with striking facial similarities to Madeleine McCann in the clutches of a group of Moroccans was being studied by Interpol detectives last night.

The grainy image, taken only four weeks ago, shows a blonde youngster being carried on the back of a dark-skinned woman in traditional North African dress with companions carrying their worldly possessions along a dusty roadside near Tangiers.


clutches :rolleyes:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=483941&in_page_id=1811&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=picbox&ct=5

[zoloko]

Could the girl in this picture be Madeleine McCann?
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_04/mccannlength2509_468x1008.jpg







A photogaph of a small girl with striking facial similarities to Madeleine McCann in the clutches of a group of Moroccans was being studied by Interpol detectives last night.

The grainy image, taken only four weeks ago, shows a blonde youngster being carried on the back of a dark-skinned woman in traditional North African dress with companions carrying their worldly possessions along a dusty roadside near Tangiers.


clutches :rolleyes:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=483941&in_page_id=1811&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=picbox&ct=5

I LOVE YOU!

Sorry, but I lived in Morocco and the outfit does not look at all Moroccan!! I think it´s a fake picture!

THANK YOU!

[magicmerlin]

Who is meant to have taken this picture? Looks as fake as a Bin Laden Christmas Video to me - think the way things are going Maddy may be somewhere (somewhere they know I mean) and will be rushed back to safety by this SAS man they have hired. Oh we've saved Maddy.....quick call an election, then we'll pass a chip bill.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Who is meant to have taken this picture? Looks as fake as a Bin Laden Christmas Video to me - think the way things are going Maddy may be somewhere (somewhere they know I mean) and will be rushed back to safety by this SAS man they have hired. Oh we've saved Maddy.....quick call an election, then we'll pass a chip bill.

What is it you find fake about the picture?

[magicmerlin]

It just looks strange to me (yes I know you will say I think that because I think this whole thing has fake elements). But it's ironic that as soon as they start saying Maddy could still be alive, hire this government based intelligence firm and bingo she pops up in a photo. Who took this photo - you're telling me they took the photo and didn't see her?

[phildee3]

...Madeleine McCann in the clutches of a group of Moroccans...

she said she saw a "sad and scared" blonde girl being dragged across a street by a woman in a Muslim headscarf.

...she and her husband were driving when the Muslim woman walked out into the road in front of them, "walking very fast and dragging a young blonde girl with her".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...cc=picbox&ct=5

Told you it's not all for the microchip; - it's also about getting those nasty Muslims!

It's a fake, I say.
A diversion away from yesterday's headline.
Charlotte Pennington (and two others) have given the only credible evidence to date; - Kate's true, initial reaction to Maddie's disappearence.

[spacegurl]

I was basing this on the fact that this man, who I know and trust who is an extremely spiritual man and extremely knowledgable and who I would not doubt for a minute with his abilities. So yes, I am indeed basing this purely on what he said at the time. If he is wrong, I would be very, very surprised as he has been a psychic medium since he was a very small boy and he knows so much, it is quite spooky.

He used to be our medium in circle, but unfortunately he no longer runs it, so am not in contact with him anymore.

Sorry I'm late replying but I've just found your post.

The prime directive is to trust no one. Putting blind devotion into another person is simply unclever. The stupid masses trust their governments. You can trust a person and not know what they're really like. Also trusting someone is no good, it doesn't mean to say that he/she is right. For you to tell everyone that they must accept something based only what someone else hallucinated is quite folly. Also a Dark Aged mind set (superstitious because so and so told them). It's like believeing what a mass murderer said when he killed all these people because god/devil told him to do it.

Besides which Merlin wasn't precisely a flesh and blood person like in the movies.

[emerald]

Moroccan woman? Sorry, the "woman" looks like a clown to me.

[phildee3]

Moroccan woman? Sorry, the "woman" looks like a clown to me.

and wearing a butcher's apron...

[lostinstrangeworld]

Yes, she does look like a clown! :p

And muslims aren't nasty. :(

It's manunkind who is nasty.

It has nothing to do with religion, although religion of all kind has controlled humanity for so long. We created that reality; it is a lesson of our own making that we'll have to learn.

[phildee3]

muslims aren't nasty. :(

I was being sarky, o lost one...

[julieray]

Sorry I'm late replying but I've just found your post.

The prime directive is to trust no one. Putting blind devotion into another person is simply unclever. The stupid masses trust their governments. You can trust a person and not know what they're really like. Also trusting someone is no good, it doesn't mean to say that he/she is right. For you to tell everyone that they must accept something based only what someone else hallucinated is quite folly. Also a Dark Aged mind set (superstitious because so and so told them). It's like believeing what a mass murderer said when he killed all these people because god/devil told him to do it.

Besides which Merlin wasn't precisely a flesh and blood person like in the movies.

Trusting a friend and trusting the Government are two completely different things. I approach all things with an air of caution and cynicsism because I am naturally wary anyway. I wasn't giving this information as fact, just as information and I for one do believe him, it was given as some input, so make of it what you want. Furthermore, I have not told anyone to believe someone else's hallucination either. For one thing, receiving spiritual messages are not hallucinations - fact. Secondly I have not placed blind devotion into anyone, you have read far too much into what I said.

I believed what he said because of years of experience in his capabilities and being of like mind - that does not make me stupid, foolish, or folly and I don't gullibly believe everything I am told either, so just because I have chosen to believe it, doesn't mean I expect everyone to jump on board too.

Finally, you have reconfirmed what my friend said anyway, in that Merlin was not the flesh and blood man perceived to be, so why question my comment when it is the same view as yours???

[phildee3]

Finally, you have reconfirmed what my friend said anyway, in that Merlin was not the flesh and blood man perceived to be, so why question my comment when it is the same view as yours???

Who said that he was?
Who has perceived him thus?

You said that he was not real.
Flesh and blood is less real than spirit.
Merlin exists in the spirit world.
So he is more real than if he were flesh and blood!

[julieray]

Who said that he was?
Who has perceived him thus?

You said that he was not real.
Flesh and blood is less real than spirit.
Merlin exists in the spirit world.
So he is more real than if he were flesh and blood!

Let's rewind here just a minute, this is getting ridiculous.

I said that my friend asked "spirit" if Merlin (the flesh and blood man) did actually exist, as a human being. The answer he got back was "no", that he never lived as a flesh and blood human being. I never said that he didn't exist in some other form or as a pure spirit in the spirit realm, the question was just about him being a human being and the answer was no.

I believe him, none of you have to, it is your choice, I just thought that it would be an interesting input to let you know what happened!!!! Now I am beginning to regret it!!!

[spacegurl]

[QUOTE]Trusting a friend and trusting the Government are two completely different things.

No it isn't. A woman can trust a man until he starts beating her up. A lot of devotees trust their master who encourages them to perform mass suicide pact. A couple of lovers can trust one another until one of them has an affair behind the other's back. You have to be really careful who you trust.

I approach all things with an air of caution and cynicsism because I am naturally wary anyway. I wasn't giving this information as fact, just as information and I for one do believe him, it was given as some input, so make of it what you want.
That's fine and daffodilly but a christian believes everything the Bible says. It doesn't mean to say that the Bible is full of scientific data and facts. Some people believe in fairies, and it doesn't mean they're real. It's only real in their heads.

Furthermore, I have not told anyone to believe someone else's hallucination either. For one thing, receiving spiritual messages are not hallucinations - fact. Secondly I have not placed blind devotion into anyone, you have read far too much into what I said.

You actually stated that Merlin wasn't real because your friend's spirit said so. Sorry but it's no different to an hallucination. Did you yourself experience this? No of course not, it was someone else. You said that this friend sees spirits through meditation. Was it drug induced? Or did he go through a trance like state? If so then he's activating a part of the brain that is a definate area to produce hallucinations. If that spirit is real, have you yourself seen it?

I believed what he said because of years of experience in his capabilities and being of like mind - that does not make me stupid, foolish, or folly and I don't gullibly believe everything I am told either, so just because I have chosen to believe it, doesn't mean I expect everyone to jump on board too.

People believed in David Korash, his years of manipulation and mind control. Also Sai Bubba has many followers and yet he's a proven fake and con artist. You just contradicted yourself :eek: You say that you don't believe everything you're told but you then say you've "chosen" to believe what he said.

Finally, you have reconfirmed what my friend said anyway, in that Merlin was not the flesh and blood man perceived to be, so why question my comment when it is the same view as yours???

I have no idea what your friend said. You posted saying Merlin wasn't a real person. You never said your friend told you Merlin was real but not flesh and blood.

[julieray]

A Wiccan I know asked spirit a while back to ask if Merlin, the man was a real man and he was told that he was not real. Just thought I would mention this.

This was my original quote....I don't know what you read into this, but I am certainly not prepared to waste my energy arguing the toss, you obviously see something completely different to me.

Trusting someone's view point is something that you obviously do not understand either as you took it upon yourself to throw yourself straight in talking about something completely different of men overpowering women, mass suicide, religion etc. ehh where did all that come from?? You obviously have some deep rooted trusting issues!.

You do not understand spiritualism either as quite clearly if you believe that it is a mere hallucination then by definition, you believe that you are seeing something that doesn't actually exist or is not really there.:rolleyes:

By the way, I do actually like daffodils, nice of you to describe my view as such!!

[spacegurl]

A Wiccan I know asked spirit a while back to ask if Merlin, the man was a real man and he was told that he was not real. Just thought I would mention this.

This was my original quote....I don't know what you read into this, but I am certainly not prepared to waste my energy arguing the toss, you obviously see something completely different to me.

Trusting someone's view point is something that you obviously do not understand either as you took it upon yourself to throw yourself straight in talking about something completely different of men overpowering women, mass suicide, religion etc. ehh where did all that come from?? You obviously have some deep rooted trusting issues!.

You do not understand spiritualism either as quite clearly if you believe that it is a mere hallucination then by definition, you believe that you are seeing something that doesn't actually exist or is not really there.:rolleyes:

By the way, I do actually like daffodils, nice of you to describe my view as such!!

Hey try and debate without getting emotional and personal please, it isn't going to help win your arguement. You should've explained clearly what you meant regarding Merlin. All you did was say he never existed full stop, that is what you sounded like in your original post. Now we've established you meant much more than that let's leave this issue behind.

[peachped]

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484109&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=picbox&ct=5


The revelation that the picture of a girl being carried on the back of a Moroccan woman is NOT Madeleine McCann will be yet another devastating blow to the missing girl's parents.

Kate and Gerry McCann said earlier today, through their spokesman, that they had been on an "emotional rollercoaster" following several alleged sightings of their missing daughter.

Hopes that the latest sighting was the missing four-year-old were dashed today when a Moroccan farmer's family came forward and said she was in fact their daughter.

The blonde girl, named Bushra Binhisa, who was spotted being carried along a dusty road by a group of Moroccans near Tangier, bore a striking resemblance to Madeleine.


A genuine false alarm.

[soglad]

A genuine false alarm.

Like all the other ones....:rolleyes:

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Ladies & Gentlemen, Cordial Felicitations:

If this Thread illustrates anything, it is the abduction of a child. The Humans Greatest Fear. I will never forget the abduction of Etan Patz, off the Streets of Greenwhich Village, NYC, in the 70s.

A Beautiful, INNOCENT, child, stolen away.

Last night on the Telly there was a Programme about 'New Technology'.
A Device they explored was for "Tracking' Children. The GPS type unit was carried by the child and Mother or Care-Giver had the Locator. If user could not locate Child, an emergency Phone number is called, Operator will give location of Child, accurate to within 10' of actual location.

Price for GPS Units with Locator: $400-500. Price for Monthly Service: $40

The Show also provided Testimony of Mothers and Care-Givers, recounting the Horror of a missing Child. Often, the separation occured with just a moments lapse of the Care-Giver in a Mall, Shop or Parc.

Regrettably, 'In this Day & Age'. 100% Vigilance is the Order of the Day, for the Care-Givers of Children.

Respectfully: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[phildee3]

Let's rewind here just a minute, this is getting ridiculous.

I said that my friend asked "spirit" if Merlin (the flesh and blood man) did actually exist, as a human being. The answer he got back was "no", that he never lived as a flesh and blood human being. I never said that he didn't exist in some other form or as a pure spirit in the spirit realm, the question was just about him being a human being and the answer was no.

I believe him, none of you have to, it is your choice, I just thought that it would be an interesting input to let you know what happened!!!! Now I am beginning to regret it!!!

Good. You should.
Why did you ask him the question in the first place?
Nobody here claimed that Merlin ever incarnated.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

It just looks strange to me (yes I know you will say I think that because I think this whole thing has fake elements). But it's ironic that as soon as they start saying Maddy could still be alive, hire this government based intelligence firm and bingo she pops up in a photo. Who took this photo - you're telling me they took the photo and didn't see her?

Here's an even better fake;)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44140000/jpg/_44140347_moroccans_afp203.jpg

and another
(probably a 3d model )

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_04/2ndNotMaddyG_468x425.jpg

Still can't see that "butchers apron" though:rolleyes:

[julieray]

Hey try and debate without getting emotional and personal please, it isn't going to help win your arguement. You should've explained clearly what you meant regarding Merlin. All you did was say he never existed full stop, that is what you sounded like in your original post. Now we've established you meant much more than that let's leave this issue behind.

Emotional and personal you say........yes well, let's just leave it there then shall we?:rolleyes:

[julieray]

Good. You should.
Why did you ask him the question in the first place?
Nobody here claimed that Merlin ever incarnated.

Steady on there Phildee3, now you are implying things that I haven't said.

I never asked such a question, it was something that was happening in our spiritual circle actually!!! Also, I wasn't suggesting that anyone had claimed he had incarnated, so get off your high horse before you fall!!!:p

[phildee3]

Steady on there Phildee3, now you are implying things that I haven't said.

I never asked such a question, it was something that was happening in our spiritual circle actually!!!

Check.
You're right.

[phildee3]

Check.
You're right.

Can we get back on topic now?

This was what I said before you derailed me
(no, I'm not saying it was intentional, but you did):

It is no coincidence that the one who started this thread is named magicmerlin.
It was through his magic that the original Merlin created the child, Arthur.
After the child was weaned, he took what was his away from it's mother.

It was through the magic of modern technology that Maddie was made in the lab (magic is nothing more than a process which we do not yet understand).

Those who made her came back for her too.

(The plural here is justified by Kate's own statement; "They've taken her." She knows who they are just as well as Igraine knew who Merlin was).

The point I was making is that the spirit of Merlin can be seen as awakening (as prophesied) and working through Maddie's creator-abductors.

[magicmerlin]

reptilianshapeshifter, fair enough I was being biased in my assessment of the pic being fake. However, how come these new pictures have magically materialised? They could have discounted it as not being Maddy without even bloody well making it public, but oh no. I can go and take some craps pics and fuzz them up and maybe they will make the news.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

They haven't magically materialised. The mass publicity through the media has meant that the family were recognised and easily tracked down!

Don't get me wrong, I am not denying that the whole thing is being played out like a movie script or who dunnit tv show but that is how newspapers are sold. It's all about the money. Believe it or not, money is more important to most high powered people than virgin blood drinking reptile rituals.

[julieray]

That picture was taken at the end of August too, so where has it been until now?? Could it possibly be that the story is waning a little so to help it get back into the public domain, we are being fed yet another yarn. As you so rightly said this picture could so easily have been checked out and dismissed without the need for making it public, but that would have been too sensible and straight forward I suppose!

[splinterg]

Im not convinced that the original blurred pics are actually that of Bushra Binhisa..the hair looks longer in the blurred pics..Cast your mind back to when a couple confronted a group in Portugal at a marina and were stopped by bodyguards from getting any closer to the boat and the lil blond girl spotted being carried by a man onto the boat..from what I remember of this report one of the men was said to be of Moroccan appearance..it was purely this assertion that started the search in Morocco?

[phildee3]

That picture was taken at the end of August too, so where has it been until now?? Could it possibly be that the story is waning a little so to help it get back into the public domain, we are being fed yet another yarn.

They were holding this story for when it was needed, for a diversion when the "good cops" got something real into the papers.
They need it now to draw attention away from Tuesday's big story:
The evidence of Charlotte Pennington (and two others).

They need our prayers for their protection...

[crowhawk]

Sorry I'm late replying but I've just found your post.

The prime directive is to trust no one. Putting blind devotion into another person is simply unclever. The stupid masses trust their governments. You can trust a person and not know what they're really like. Also trusting someone is no good, it doesn't mean to say that he/she is right. For you to tell everyone that they must accept something based only what someone else hallucinated is quite folly. Also a Dark Aged mind set (superstitious because so and so told them). It's like believeing what a mass murderer said when he killed all these people because god/devil told him to do it.

Besides which Merlin wasn't precisely a flesh and blood person like in the movies.

You are far too rational you must be an agent of the masonic NWO trying to confuse people & warp their minds with your devilishly plausible rationale. You're saying "Merlin wasn't real"? If I didn't know better I'd think you would try to control my mind with your logic! I bet you're the sort of person who tries to convince people there's no such thing as alien reptiles? I could go even further & predict that you would say that Crop Circles are made by human beings as a hoax. You won't get me with that logical nonsense! Get thee behind me SAtan!!

[spacegurl]

You are far too rational you must be an agent of the masonic NWO trying to confuse people & warp their minds with your devilishly plausible rationale. You're saying "Merlin wasn't real"? If I didn't know better I'd think you would try to control my mind with your logic! I bet you're the sort of person who tries to convince people there's no such thing as alien reptiles? I could go even further & predict that you would say that Crop Circles are made by human beings as a hoax. You won't get me with that logical nonsense! Get thee behind me SAtan!!

I really don't like people coming out of the blue picking fights with me and assuming what I'm like just because my opinion on something is different than others. Why don't you PM me instead of using this thread about Madeleine? I never said Merlin wasn't real! You don't even know me or what my views are so you're opinion of me is very shallow and totally wrong! I don't believe in Satan either. That is a Xtian concept. What on earth have crop circles got to do with anything? Again you don't know what I think of that. Or about aliens and reptiles. People like you that stereotype and jump to conclusions about someone then quite attacks them openly with rubbish makes me bloody sick :mad:

[adzboarder]

God this is getting boring...

[neon]

God this is getting boring...

Everytime i come into this thread, it always goes off topic.

[spacegurl]

Hey people I didn't mean to sound off like that but it pisses me off when someone starts having a go for absolutely no reason at all. If they want to get personal then do it over PM.

[jetta]

I have a free anagram finder which I got from here (http://www.andyscouse.com/pages/wordfind.htm). I've been sitting here about an hour trying to work something out, and have so far got this:

MADELEINE MCANN GOES MISSING AT PRAIA DA LUZ IN PORTUGAL ON THURSDAY IN MAY to

I'M MARY MAGDALENE I ANNOINT CHRIST LAZARUS DESTINY GOSPEL

which I admit doesn't make much sense, and I do have some letters left over out of which can be made "madonna", "pagan" "pagod" (which apparently is a type of idol); Numina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numina), nun and Magi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magi).

The Wikipedia link for Mary Magdalen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalen)- which does mention Lazarus!

[reptilianshapeshifter]

I have a free anagram finder which I got from here (http://www.andyscouse.com/pages/wordfind.htm). I've been sitting here about an hour trying to work something out, and have so far got this:

MADELEINE MCANN GOES MISSING AT PRAIA DA LUZ IN PORTUGAL ON THURSDAY IN MAY to

I'M MARY MAGDALENE I ANNOINT CHRIST LAZARUS DESTINY GOSPEL

which I admit doesn't make much sense, and I do have some letters left over out of which can be made "madonna", "pagan" "pagod" (which apparently is a type of idol); Numina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numina), nun and Magi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magi).

The Wikipedia link for Mary Magdalen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalen)- which does mention Lazarus!

Aint you got better things to waste your time on?

[jetta]

Aint you got better things to waste your time on?

DO YOU FIND IT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO SO INCREDIBLY RUDE???!!! First of all, I think it is because you are male as all you bloody men on web discussion forums are this rude to each other all the time. Secondly, it is because you obviusly think that you know everything, so I am wasting my time trying to tell you otherwise. I am thinking of leaving this thread alone as my posts tend to get ignored and some of you seem to just love arguing amongst yourselves and throwing insults at each other. You know nothing whatsoever about me and just use your brain and THINK next time you want to be rude to someone female. I may sound old-fashioned but as I said, you know nothing about me so who are you to judge. Everyone on web forums hides behind an anonymous idenity so they feel they can be as damn rude as they like, unfortunately. :mad:

[greenleaf]

DO YOU FIND IT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO SO INCREDIBLY RUDE???!!! First of all, I think it is because you are male as all you bloody men on web discussion forums are this rude to each other all the time. Secondly, it is because you obviusly think that you know everything, so I am wasting my time trying to tell you otherwise. I am thinking of leaving this thread alone as my posts tend to get ignored and some of you seem to just love arguing amongst yourselves and throwing insults at each other. You know nothing whatsoever about me and just use your brain and THINK next time you want to be rude to someone female. I may sound old-fashioned but as I said, you know nothing about me so who are you to judge. Everyone on web forums hides behind an anonymous idenity so they feel they can be as damn rude as they like, unfortunately. :mad:

well said!.:)

[phildee3]

Everyone on web forums hides behind an anonymous idenity

Not everyone.
I don't.

But you still don't know my gender (Phylis/Philip?).
What makes you think you know reptilianshapeshifter's?

And what makes it okay for you to be as rude as him/her?

[whitelightrabbit]

Apparently hollowood is making a film about madeleine disapearance in portugal ....


Found this article on Bebo

"Affleck Delays Film Over Madeleine
Ben Affleck has delayed the release of his new film - because of the "depth of feeling" over the Madeleine McCann case.

The Hollywood star's directorial debut Gone Baby Gone has striking similarities to the four-year-old's disappearance in Portugal.

Distributor Buena Vista International has now shelved the thriller in the UK because of fears of a backlash.

It tells the story of a four-year-old girl who is abducted from her bed after her mother leaves her alone in the house.

The child actress playing the role, Madeline O'Brien, not only shares her first name with Madeleine McCann, but is even said to look like the missing girl.

Madeleine McCann, also four, vanished from a holiday apartment in the Algarve on May 3 while her parents ate at a nearby tapas restaurant.

A spokesman for Buena Vista International confirmed: "We are sensitive to the depth of feeling surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

"We have been carefully following the case and have decided to delay the release of the film in the UK."
Madeleine vanished in Portugal
Madeleine vanished in Portugal

Affleck told reporters: "We don't want to release the movie if it is going to touch a nerve or inflame anybody's sensitivities."

His film had been scheduled for UK release in December.

Sky News' showbiz writer Neil Sean, who interviewed the star about his directorial debut, said: "He told me he'd suffered problems with the film because of the sensitivity of the story.

"And that was before the Madeleine McCann case. So it'd be almost impossible now because of the backlash it'd get.

"It would be horrendous if he put it out! I think it will go to DVD and go out on selective release."

In the thriller, two detectives - played by Affleck's younger brother Casey and Michelle Monaghan - search for the abducted girl after she vanishes in Boston.

Morgan Freeman and Ed Harris also star in the flick, which was produced, directed and co-written by Affleck.

The story is an adaptation of a Dennis Lehane novel, who wrote Mystic River.

Affleck and Matt Damon won an Oscar in 1998 for writing Good Will Hunting."

just a coincidence, nothing to worry about :rolleyes:

[phildee3]

just a coincidence, nothing to worry about :rolleyes:

I think I'm having a deja vu
I think I'm having a deja vu

[julieray]

I don't know how to cut and paste photo's onto this thread so I am sending you the link instead. It is a comparison of the recent photos.

I don't know what anyone else thinks, but I think that the two little girls are not the same, the shapes of their faces are quite different, not to mention their hair. Are we being deceived yet again on this?

http://mara-gamiel.blogspot.com/search/label/Madeleine%20McCann

By the way, I for one am not hiding behind any disguise either, this is my name and you can see where I live and yes I am female.:D

[spacegurl]

I don't know how to cut and paste photo's onto this thread so I am sending you the link instead. It is a comparison of the recent photos.

I don't know what anyone else thinks, but I think that the two little girls are not the same, the shapes of their faces are quite different, not to mention their hair. Are we being deceived yet again on this?

http://mara-gamiel.blogspot.com/search/label/Madeleine%20McCann

By the way, I for one am not hiding behind any disguise either, this is my name and you can see where I live and yes I am female.:D

There is no shame in using an internet ID and I for one don't want certain people tracking me down through these forums. Safety comes first.

As for the pictures, well how is the woman "different?" Please point out the differences as one picture isn't clear and the other one shows just her torso and looking downwards. They might be different women with little girls on their backs. How common is this and is the woman wearing a dress regularly seen there? Why do you still maintain the kid is Madeleine?