Madeline Sacrafice

[julieray]

With regards to the ID Cards situation, we all have to have one by the year 2010 that is a statutory requirement. At the moment though it is just basic info, but who knows where it is all going to end???? Little by little, small steps and all that - within a few more years with a bit more terrorism and a few more children gone missing to fuel the agenda and they will be well on the way to a global microchipped population and we won't be able to do anything about it, because, like the ID Card situation - it will be a statutory requirement and therefore LAW. Madeleine is just another poor cog in the machine towards this agenda, but she will be released soon, and I don't think that the parents had a say in the matter either- they have been manipulated the same way we all have by this total charade. It just serves to show how corrupt and evil those are at the top who have her though to think so little of her or us in order to push this damn thing through. What utter vile and horrible people, Let's all send them lots and lots of love - that will stop them in their tracks!!:D:D

[mightiswrong]

Little by little, small steps and all that - within a few more years with a bit more terrorism and a few more children gone missing to fuel the agenda and they will be well on the way to a global microchipped population and we won't be able to do anything about it, because, like the ID Card situation - it will be a statutory requirement and therefore LAW.

Won't we?

Enough already with the defeatist attitude. If you want to think like that, fine but please do keep it to yourself. Microchipping children and forcing people to have ID cards is wrong and extremely dangerous. I will be resisiting ID cards and do not see that the governments 'law' is an acceptable excuse to cow tow to cohersive parasites who wish to steal my identity and that of my children. I brake 'the law' all the time and I will take great pleasure in ignoring the ID cards 'law'. If you want to be a push over go right ahead and see how much your grand children respect you.

[mightiswrong]

julieray - "How wide would you like me to spread by but cheeks for you Mr ID cards officer?"

Id cards officer - "It's only basic information that we need."

julieray - "Well I already spend 6 months out of the year financing genocide so I suppose giving you my iris scan shouldn't be to much of a problem, afterall it is the law."

[mr_moon]

julieray - "How wide would you like me to spread by but cheeks for you Mr ID cards officer?"

Id cards officer - "It's only basic information that we need."

julieray - "Well I already spend 6 months out of the year financing genocide so I suppose giving you my iris scan shouldn't be to much of a problem, afterall it is the law."

That's a bit harsh, man!?

I think Julieray was just trying to say that they would be making it law. There are people out there who aren't quite as tough as a lot of people and wouldn't even IMAGINE breaking the Law no matter what the crime. You can't force someone who is caring, kind and gentle to go all guns blazing against the Law- it doesn't work.

So keep the patronising, condescending comments at bay if you want to help the situation or carry on and keep the World in a cycle of War.

Much Love to You,

Jay
xxx

[infinitetruth]

awsome images man.... Her mum looks like a reptillian or somthin....

the green/blue eyes don't mean anything, they can do that with photoshop, camera angles and camera lenses

[infinitetruth]

With regards to the ID Cards situation, we all have to have one by the year 2010 that is a statutory requirement. At the moment though it is just basic info, but who knows where it is all going to end???? Little by little, small steps and all that - within a few more years with a bit more terrorism and a few more children gone missing to fuel the agenda and they will be well on the way to a global microchipped population and we won't be able to do anything about it, because, like the ID Card situation - it will be a statutory requirement and therefore LAW. Madeleine is just another poor cog in the machine towards this agenda, but she will be released soon, and I don't think that the parents had a say in the matter either- they have been manipulated the same way we all have by this total charade. It just serves to show how corrupt and evil those are at the top who have her though to think so little of her or us in order to push this damn thing through. What utter vile and horrible people, Let's all send them lots and lots of love - that will stop them in their tracks!!:D:D


I thought it was compulsory May 2008

[infinitetruth]

Won't we?

Enough already with the defeatist attitude. If you want to think like that, fine but please do keep it to yourself. Microchipping children and forcing people to have ID cards is wrong and extremely dangerous. I will be resisiting ID cards and do not see that the governments 'law' is an acceptable excuse to cow tow to cohersive parasites who wish to steal my identity and that of my children. I brake 'the law' all the time and I will take great pleasure in ignoring the ID cards 'law'. If you want to be a push over go right ahead and see how much your grand children respect you.

nice one!

'The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government'
Soon we will be braking the law by being born and if that happens - what the hell is the point of 'laws'?

[julieray]

Won't we?

Enough already with the defeatist attitude. If you want to think like that, fine but please do keep it to yourself. Microchipping children and forcing people to have ID cards is wrong and extremely dangerous. I will be resisiting ID cards and do not see that the governments 'law' is an acceptable excuse to cow tow to cohersive parasites who wish to steal my identity and that of my children. I brake 'the law' all the time and I will take great pleasure in ignoring the ID cards 'law'. If you want to be a push over go right ahead and see how much your grand children respect you.

Wow Mr. Mighiswrong - what a very angry individual you are!!!! With that sort of attack, I will have to put myself into a golden bubble of protection!!:)
Don't you realise with that sort of energy, you are actually giving power to those you are against? What was it I said that sparked such an outrage??:confused:

Please do not shoot the messenger!! I was merely adding the agenda's perspective on how they are going about things - let's face it, the majority of the population haven't even cottoned on to the fact that we have been prisoners for thousands of years, let alone anything else!

I have just carried out the effects of the ID Cards - the law - and where it is all going to end for my exams last May and I got 69%. The trouble is, if the Government suddenly said that we all have to have ID Cards with every bit of info in it to be made available for all to see, including the secret services - of course there would be an uproar!!!! and quite rightly so too.

My point is that they are cunning and deceiptful enough not to do this but are trying to introduce things bit by bit - so much so that joe public are not even noticing what is going on underneath their very noses - which they are not - I can assure you!!

I am not spreading doom and gloom - I am trying to wake people up!! There is a difference because I have a solution in my signature - I have no doubt that the outcome will be population 1 - illuminati 0.

The ID Cards Law is going to be made compulsary by 2010, people have the choice to opt for the cards now if they choose but the law states that everyone must have one by 2010 - I studied it in May. This is not doom and gloom this is fact that I am making people aware of and linking this in with Madeleine's disappearance as my personal view is that she has served the agenda splendidly in this case. From most people I speak to, they have no idea of what is really going on and cannot accept that our Governments are capable of doing this. Hence my contribution to the thread. They are not only capable.....they are doing this so wake up!!!!! Would you be so harsh to Mr. David Icke for spreading doom and gloom or would you thank him for waking you up to the situation - so that you are better able to do something about it???

I am going to send you lots of love and healing as you so desperately need
some - and perhaps you will realise that we are on the same side!!:):)

Thank you Mr. Moon for your contribution. Unconditional love and light.
xxxxxxx:D:D

[mightiswrong]

You said:

"they will be well on the way to a global microchipped population and we won't be able to do anything about it, because, like the ID Card situation - it will be a statutory requirement and therefore LAW."

To me this sounds like an attack where as my response was pointing out that you were attacking people. Cloaking an attack like that in a message of love only hides the fact that you were stating that a microchipped population was inevitable and that "we won't be able to do anything about it".

I will try and be nicer about it I guess but I'm not angry and perhaps you will see by saying such things "you are actually giving power to those you are against". Any way sorry I made you angry and thanks for sending me love. I send you some too.

[qasrose]

Have you ever seen the parents cry in public? (in front of the cameras) NO. In an investigation everyone is a suspect so the parents are suspects.
What kind of parents leave three children on there own in a flat? why weren't the twins taken aswell? Its against the law to leave children under 13 I thin on there own in this country, so leaving little kids on there own the police should lock the parents up for just doing that I say.

I agree, with you there mada88 :). I have never seen her parents cry through out this, apart from taking vacations, selling merchandising, and creating a mind control website. oh let's not forget asking for some stylist to create them cloths.

It makes me sick to see maddys parents do all this crap......

A child has gone missing here. And there acting like they've won the lottery.?

This whole story is BS, I'm sorry but It is... It's a sick way to control our minds. And it's already done it to most of us "not me", My mum and dad always told me. "Don't always believe what you see or read on tv and papers" And that is a quote i stick by today........

[fransetter]

A child has gone missing here. And there acting like they've won the lottery.?



Well maybe he is, but in recent videos she looks quite anorexic!

[lydia78]

Well maybe he is, but in recent videos she looks quite anorexic!

I know, my thoughts exactly.

Where's the compassion in this room????

Infinite love knows the score either way and it's still going to do what it's always done, Love.

The parent's of maddy are going through something I pray no one will ever have to go through.

It would be more helpful if everyone refocused and sent good vibes out, might even actually help them find her!!:)

[julieray]

You said:

"they will be well on the way to a global microchipped population and we won't be able to do anything about it, because, like the ID Card situation - it will be a statutory requirement and therefore LAW."

To me this sounds like an attack where as my response was pointing out that you were attacking people. Cloaking an attack like that in a message of love only hides the fact that you were stating that a microchipped population was inevitable and that "we won't be able to do anything about it".

I will try and be nicer about it I guess but I'm not angry and perhaps you will see by saying such things "you are actually giving power to those you are against". Any way sorry I made you angry and thanks for sending me love. I send you some too.


I apologise if that sounded negative and more of a statement of truth, but I was merely seeing things from their perspective and thinking that they must indeed be pretty smug with themselves right now, because most of the UK and the world for that matter are heart broken over Madeleine and are equally as ignorant as to the rest of what is going on.

As an example; I spoke to a number of Mum's at the school before it closed for the Summer Holidays and they were actually happy to have their kids microchipped should this be a viable option, because they thought that they would at least be traceable if they should go missing and they felt safer in that knowledge!!!! Unfortunately this is the common reaction and if we cannot wake people up to the reality, then we shall indeed see parents running to the Doctors to have their kids microchipped at the very sniff of the suggestion, and just as they have stated all along - it is not even going to be something that is even forced upon us because, as I have just proved these mothers actually feel safer, for their children to have this done!!!!

Of course I put them right immediately, but it is a difficult task in a few minutes trying to explain the reasons why and what the real agenda is all about - they probably do think I am off my head because of this rambling, but clearly it had to be said. As David Icke said, if people don't know the truth, how can they do something about it??

I hope that doesn't sound too doom and gloom - it is a serious wake up call that we have a tough job ahead, but I for one am up for the challenge and will try and talk to as many people as I am able to, especially at schools, if there is a sniff of a suggestion to this sort of remedy. In the meantime I am sending out as much love and healing and positive vibrations as my body is able to channel, in fact as I type that I can feel my hands buzzing - May God and his Angels send it all to where it is most desperately needed in the world.

[qasrose]

here is a picture i put together...

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/whitesnakeiscool/whois.jpg

u think these too are the same ???? look at there eye brows hmm, and there face?? any resembalance????

[julieray]

here is a picture i put together...

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/whitesnakeiscool/whois.jpg

u think these too are the same ???? look at there eye brows hmm, and there face?? any resembalance????

That little girl is the one off the cancer research advert and she is the one on the Petit Fellou yogurt advertisement. She has been in quite a few, in fact I don't know for sure if she is even British, as I am sure the yogurt advertisement seems a bit dubbed to me, so she may be from the continent somewhere.

[qasrose]

That little girl is the one off the cancer research advert and she is the one on the Petit Fellou yogurt advertisement. She has been in quite a few, in fact I don't know for sure if she is even British, as I am sure the yogurt advertisement seems a bit dubbed to me, so she may be from the continent somewhere.

yeah, the thing that strikes me though is the hair and eyebrows there in the same position, it could just be me though lol.....

[pedsi]

yeah, the thing that strikes me though is the hair and eyebrows there in the same position, it could just be me though lol.....

:DWhere would you expect them too be.....:D

[whitelightrabbit]

nice one!

'The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government'
Soon we will be braking the law by being born and if that happens - what the hell is the point of 'laws'?

already happening in china with reincarnation being illigal

[jinjo5]

here is a picture i put together...

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/whitesnakeiscool/whois.jpg

u think these too are the same ???? look at there eye brows hmm, and there face?? any resembalance????
Yeah,identical twins.:rolleyes:
Come on now Gas',youve won the David icke forum award for trying to make things fit.;)
I actually think youre having a joke,hoping someone will agree with your 'findings' that arent there to start with.
Dont really think anyone will fall for it though.
I dont believe you believe what youre saying,but,hey-ho,if youre getting a laugh out of it.

[jinjo5]

yeah, the thing that strikes me though is the hair and eyebrows there in the same position, it could just be me though lol.....
...lol....thats the trouble with eyebrows,theyve got this annoying habit of appearing just above your eyes.strange.:rolleyes:

[lydia78]

It's getting ridiculous.....maddy is this, her mum is that...

Give it a freaking break already!!

Thank God there's some people on here with some objective reasoning.

All those who want to see what they want to see....well I hope your lives are richer for it.....but somehow I doubt it.

[qasrose]

It's getting ridiculous.....maddy is this, her mum is that...

Give it a freaking break already!!

Thank God there's some people on here with some objective reasoning.

All those who want to see what they want to see....well I hope your lives are richer for it.....but somehow I doubt it.


Dude chill man. everyone is intitled to there say... ..

[lydia78]

Dude chill man. everyone is intitled to there say... ..

I have full awareness that people are entitled to have a say....which is precisely what I am doing..!

[jinjo5]

Her right eye is strange indeed!

I would suspect foul-play here.....the satanic sexual/ritual
abuse of little children is rife worldwide and it seems they're amping it
up.

Italy rocked by satanic, drug-induced sexual abuse in kindergarten

http://www.maltastar.com/pages/msfullart.asp?an=11655
Hi lime,i hope that was a considered post and not a knee-jerk reaction.
It looks like it is,you suspect foul play instantly.
Im sure satanic sexual/ritual abuse goes on in this sick world,there is enough weirdos in the world for that to happen.
The thing that irritates me is that as soon as a kid goes missing you get all these extreme views,satanism etc.
A lot of posts on this thread are incredibly ridiculous and not an ounce of thought has gone into them.
Not yours maybe,but...."theyre amping it up",is a bit melodramatic.
Whoever THEY are???.

[qasrose]

Yeah,identical twins.:rolleyes:
Come on now Gas',youve won the David icke forum award for trying to make things fit.;)
I actually think youre having a joke,hoping someone will agree with your 'findings' that arent there to start with.
Dont really think anyone will fall for it though.
I dont believe you believe what youre saying,but,hey-ho,if youre getting a laugh out of it.

My name is not Gas it's Qas are you blind?? How am I having a joke?? I was just seeing if anyone thought those two girls looked the same, I was not actualy saying they are..

[qasrose]

...lol....thats the trouble with eyebrows,theyve got this annoying habit of appearing just above your eyes.strange.:rolleyes:

So your not BLIND then, thank god for that.

[phildee3]

The reason why Madeline's parents, and all of the psychics/claivoyants on the case, are certain that she's still alive is because she is. She is alive in the people who were at the dinner that George W. put on for the Queen. This is the nature and purpose of satanic, ritual sacrifice/cannibalism.

The McCann's have been personally thanked by Bush, and the pope, for their gift. This is why they appear as they do, and also why they are under suspicion.

[magicmerlin]

People who say it is twisted talking of such esoteric and dark subjects need to be more open to what the hell may go on in the world. The madeline website's theme tune is the Brian Adam's hit song, Look into my eyes. The words are scary.


Look into my eyes - you will see
What you mean to me
Search your heart - search your soul
And when you find me there you'll search no more

Don't tell me it's not worth tryin' for
You can't tell me it's not worth dyin' for
You know it's true
Everything I do - I do it for you

Look into your heart - you will find
There's nothin' there to hide
Take me as I am - take my life
I would give it all - I would sacrifice

Don't tell me it's not worth fightin' for
I can't help it - there's nothin' I want more

Ya know it's true
Everything I do - I do it for you

There's no love - like your love
And no other - could give more love
There's nowhere - unless you're there
All the time - all the way

Oh - you can't tell me it's not worth tryin' for
I can't help it - there's nothin' I want more
I would fight for you - I'd lie for you
Walk the wire for you - ya I'd die for you

Ya know it's true
Everything I do - I do it for you

[reptilianshapeshifter]

lol, it's a love song and you've highlighted 4 lines that indicate (to you) negative and immoral behaviour. Considering those 4 lines (i'm ignorning the first one) represent about 13% of the poem i would say it's more scary that you choose to see what you want to see from a simple song written years ago.

[phildee3]

McCann = son (or daughter) of Cann.
The name Cann is from Robert, Duke of Caen in Normandy, who successfully invaded England with William the Conquerer in 1066.
Madeline = Magdalene, the feminine Christ.
Bush is using Maddy, in the same way that Hitler used the Spear of Destiny in WWII, for occult power.
The dinner was to mark, and to seal, the Cabal's conquest of the UK.

[jinjo5]

...deary,deary me magic;....is there no end to this nonsense!
Are you trying to outdo qasrose for making things fit when there is
nothing there to start with.?
It's a desperate attempt magic,if you can find meaning in that song
youll 'find something' in every song made.
I feel nothing but Exasperation on this thread,with the utter clap-trap
that is said.

[jinjo5]

My name is not Gas it's Qas are you blind?? How am I having a joke?? I was just seeing if anyone thought those two girls looked the same, I was not actualy saying they are..
maybe you werent qas,but you couldnt get two more un-alike photos if
you tried.
Do i get 10 points for getting your name right?:D

[jinjo5]

McCann = son (or daughter) of Cann.
The name Cann is from Robert, Duke of Caen in Normandy, who successfully invaded England with William the Conquerer in 1066.
Madeline = Magdalene, the feminine Christ.
Bush is using Maddy, in the same way that Hitler used the Spear of Destiny in WWII, for occult power.
The dinner was to mark, and to seal, the Cabal's conquest of the UK.
that's it then......mystery solved!

[jinjo5]

My name is not Gas it's Qas are you blind?? How am I having a joke?? I was just seeing if anyone thought those two girls looked the same, I was not actualy saying they are..
......."I was blind......but now i see"........A line from 'Amazing grace':D

[fransetter]

The fact that certain people find possible (or even probable) occult signatures surrounding Maddie's disappearance "clap trap" and other such phrases, causes me concern.

I have had first hand experience of what goes on in the occult, and have been a victim of their controlling ways.

The problem is, the more people refuse to look at what goes on in that direction, (because they believe it all to be clap trap) the more power these sickos are given to continue with their wicked deeds.

Why do you people believe it is clap trap? Do you find it too frightening to go there?

These control freaks damage people's lives and are so evil that they have no regard for anyone but themselves.

It all comes down to belief systems. The dark side occultists believe they have a right to sacrifice, other people choose to believe nothing like this happens at all, other people believe that by wishing love and light to everything, all will turn out right in the end. Others believe that with the advent of Jesus Christ, all such things are now past history and should be forgotten.

Let's get something straight. These sacrificers exist today - like it or lump it. If people are too scared, or are far too up their own backsides to go looking for them, then these things will continue unabated.

Note here I am not saying that Madelaine has been sacrificed. She may or may not have been, even though there are things surrounding this which read to me as occult signatures. But whilst no one dares to go looking into those areas, the truth may never be found.

There is nothing more evil in this world than people who CHOOSE to walk around with their eyes wide shut!

[jinjo5]

The fact that certain people find possible (or even probable) occult signatures surrounding Maddie's disappearance "clap trap" and other such phrases, causes me concern.

I have had first hand experience of what goes on in the occult, and have been a victim of their controlling ways.

The problem is, the more people refuse to look at what goes on in that direction, (because they believe it all to be clap trap) the more power these sickos are given to continue with their wicked deeds.

Why do you people believe it is clap trap? Do you find it too frightening to go there?

These control freaks damage people's lives and are so evil that they have no regard for anyone but themselves.

It all comes down to belief systems. The dark side occultists believe they have a right to sacrifice, other people choose to believe nothing like this happens at all, other people believe that by wishing love and light to everything, all will turn out right in the end. Others believe that with the advent of Jesus Christ, all such things are now past history and should be forgotten.

Let's get something straight. These sacrificers exist today - like it or lump it. If people are too scared, or are far too up their own backsides to go looking for them, then these things will continue unabated.

Note here I am not saying that Madelaine has been sacrificed. She may or may not have been, even though there are things surrounding this which read to me as occult signatures. But whilst no one dares to go looking into those areas, the truth may never be found.

There is nothing more evil in this world than people who CHOOSE to walk around with their eyes wide shut!
My eyes are wide open fran;..thank you.
It's just that there is a of 'clap-trap' about the maddy case.
just read some of the posts,even you would agree some are ridiculous.

[fransetter]

My eyes are wide open fran;..thank you.
It's just that there is a of 'clap-trap' about the maddy case.
just read some of the posts,even you would agree some are ridiculous.

Yes I quite agree and have previously commented. I don't view her parents as part of the disappearance, apart from the fact that they put their trust in the place more than they should. All recent pictures and video's of her mother speak volumes. She has gone from being a strikingly pretty woman, to being a very sick looking skeleton, which is what I would expect from somebody who is suffering such horrendous trauma.

Because there are no clues (to the public that is) of where Madelaine has disappeared to, or how, this leaves it all open to conjecture. Therefore people will come up with ridiculous things.

If there is an occult involvement here, the guttersnipes will be feeding off it that is for sure, in as much as it gives them the sensation of more power.

[magicmerlin]

As with most of my posts, while I may offer a view and be on a particular side of a debate, I am open to considering the counter-view, and I think all people should be so. That being said, may I ask why people think it is implausible that Madeline has been sacraficed, when there is significant evidence that these occult practices may go on? With regard to the song on the website, I find it interesting that the parents can select such an emotive and sensitive love song, when they have shown little of that in the public domain. Furthermore, with such a professional 'marketing team' in place, I find it VERY strange that they would select a song with references to sacrafice in it - they must have been aware of some people's views on this subject. In addition, while it may be a love song, symbolism is usually not blatent.

As for more clap trap.............

Is it clap trap that chemtrails are in our skies?
Is is clap trap that food aditives such as Aspartame are permitted even though they cause cancer?
Is it clap trap that cancer is one of the world's biggest industries?
Is it clap trap that there were no WOMD?
Is it clap trap that climate change is natural and also happening on Mars?
Is it clap trap that Codex will make selling natural food supplements illegal?

The list could go on and on and on.................

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"The truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

[jinjo5]

As with most of my posts, while I may offer a view and be on a particular side of a debate, I am open to considering the counter-view, and I think all people should be so. That being said, may I ask why people think it is implausible that Madeline has been sacraficed, when there is significant evidence that these occult practices may go on? With regard to the song on the website, I find it interesting that the parents can select such an emotive and sensitive love song, when they have shown little of that in the public domain. Furthermore, with such a professional 'marketing team' in place, I find it VERY strange that they would select a song with references to sacrafice in it - they must have been aware of some people's views on this subject. In addition, while it may be a love song, symbolism is usually not blatent.

As for more clap trap.............

Is it clap trap that chemtrails are in our skies?
Is is clap trap that food aditives such as Aspartame are permitted even though they cause cancer?
Is it clap trap that cancer is one of the world's biggest industries?
Is it clap trap that there were no WOMD?
Is it clap trap that climate change is natural and also happening on Mars?
Is it clap trap that Codex will make selling natural food supplements illegal?

The list could go on and on and on.................

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"The truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Dont get excited magic,i was speaking about the maddy case.nothing else.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

As with most of my posts, while I may offer a view and be on a particular side of a debate, I am open to considering the counter-view, and I think all people should be so. That being said, may I ask why people think it is implausible that Madeline has been sacraficed, when there is significant evidence that these occult practices may go on? With regard to the song on the website, I find it interesting that the parents can select such an emotive and sensitive love song, when they have shown little of that in the public domain. Furthermore, with such a professional 'marketing team' in place, I find it VERY strange that they would select a song with references to sacrafice in it - they must have been aware of some people's views on this subject. In addition, while it may be a love song, symbolism is usually not blatent.

As for more clap trap.............

Is it clap trap that chemtrails are in our skies?
Is is clap trap that food aditives such as Aspartame are permitted even though they cause cancer?
Is it clap trap that cancer is one of the world's biggest industries?
Is it clap trap that there were no WOMD?
Is it clap trap that climate change is natural and also happening on Mars?
Is it clap trap that Codex will make selling natural food supplements illegal?

The list could go on and on and on.................

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"The truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”


Stick to the facts. Anything you "investigate" other than the hard facts from your armchair and computer is nothing more than idle conjecture. Especially when it comes to interpretation of things you look for to only support a theory you are trying to establish that fits the picture of the world as you want to see it.

What I find is interesting is how different forums that amalgamate different views of the world based on "extremism" seem to make these events fit the picture that they like to discuss on a day to day basis. Different forums that discuss different parts of the conspiracies conclude with theories that fit whatever types of conspiracy they believe at the time. On this forum it's the illuminati and Satanic Ritual.

[jinjo5]

Yes I quite agree and have previously commented. I don't view her parents as part of the disappearance, apart from the fact that they put their trust in the place more than they should. All recent pictures and video's of her mother speak volumes. She has gone from being a strikingly pretty woman, to being a very sick looking skeleton, which is what I would expect from somebody who is suffering such horrendous trauma.

Because there are no clues (to the public that is) of where Madelaine has disappeared to, or how, this leaves it all open to conjecture. Therefore people will come up with ridiculous things.

If there is an occult involvement here, the guttersnipes will be feeding off it that is for sure, in as much as it gives them the sensation of more power.
Couldnt agree more fran;cos there is little evidence it will be up for conjecture.
It is said that over 80% of abductees are killed within 2 hours of being taken.
I dont know why but i have a strong feeling she's still alive.
The simplest explanation is usually the right one,i think maddy was kidnapped to order, maybe by a couple who couldnt have children of their own but were desperate and decided on maddy.i dont know.
There is no real reason,at the moment,to think of anything more spectacular than that.
I think there will be a lot of embarrassed people on here if it turns out to be something of that nature.
....Satanism?....unlikely.

[jinjo5]

I find it interesting that the parents can select such an emotive and sensitive love song, when they have shown little of that in the public domain.

================
"The truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”[/QUOTE]
You cant go around crying 24/7,can you?
that would be unnatural.
If they did cry and show emotion all the time,as sure as hell,youd get someone saying "theyre overdoing the emotion bit"
They cant win.

[fransetter]

Stick to the facts.

What facts? She has gone missing. That is ALL anyone outside of the investigation knows. So what do we do? stop all discussion there?

QUOTE=reptilianshapeshifter;109524]What I find is interesting is how different forums that amalgamate different views of the world based on "extremism" seem to make these events fit the picture that they like to discuss on a day to day basis. Different forums that discuss different parts of the conspiracies conclude with theories that fit whatever types of conspiracy they believe at the time. On this forum it's the illuminati and Satanic Ritual.[/QUOTE]

Well people who form groups do just that don't they? and yes on this particular forum they would - wouldn't they. Some like myself come as a result of their own experiences. That's how most people make 'sense' of their world.

There are some people who keep their eyes and minds well and truly open to all possibilities, and this is healthy. It is when we close our minds to all other possibilities that things become somewhat dangerous. For example, I do know - again from personal experience - that there are people out there who will try and force every situation they encounter into a nice neat little package, using songs, numbers, dates, times, names and addresses, (and anything else which takes their fancy) in order to 'prove' their point. It is when they start believing all this to the detriment of all else and start trying to enforce their ideas onto other people that this becomes a problem and can cause more harm than good.

Keep on discussing the issues. At least it shows that some people are thinking along the lines of all possibilites. It might not be to the liking of everyone here, but as long as they don't try forcing their opinions on everyone else, I really don't see what the problem is.

Jinjo5 - I hope you are right. I hope she was taken by somebody who wanted a child and will care for her. That would be such a lovely outcome. I hope the same applies to Ben Needham too.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

What facts? She has gone missing. That is ALL anyone outside of the investigation knows. So what do we do? stop all discussion there?
.

No, my point is that you are merely adding conjecture based on little evidence of satanic ritual abuse and making the things you want to see appear before your very eyes. Like someone finding 4 lines out of 30 in a song that support the view they want to show. Throwing away the 26 lines of the song and saying "look! it's all written here". It's the same with numerology crap. When someone has a screen shot showing 2 groups of numbers that add up to 7 they go hysterical. Same with the number 3, 6 and 13. and then any combination that is divisible or can be rotated around or this plus that equals some secret illuminati ritual number. Given only that the representation of alpha numeric numbers is a western thing it all becomes very silly.

If i was running a forum that had xxxx members on it that believed children were being stolen to be refined into fuel for F1 racing cars we'd all be finding evidence that points to that instead. There is only one explanation that the girl has gone missing so all you conjecturites will go down any path that fits your view on world.

Since her disappearance we've had just about secret number that comes between 1 and 100 from people saying "ooh i think she will be come back on day 33 because that's the secret masonic number" and when that surpasses they just move onto the next number.

All the failures in the conjecture are ignored but if one thing fits then it's a "hit" and becomes "concrete" evidence.:rolleyes:


We've got some pyschics saying she is dead, some saying she is alive and one that says she will be returned sometime between the start of august and end of september. With a chip on every possibility you just can't go wrong.

[julieray]

The fact that certain people find possible (or even probable) occult signatures surrounding Maddie's disappearance "clap trap" and other such phrases, causes me concern.

I have had first hand experience of what goes on in the occult, and have been a victim of their controlling ways.

The problem is, the more people refuse to look at what goes on in that direction, (because they believe it all to be clap trap) the more power these sickos are given to continue with their wicked deeds.

Why do you people believe it is clap trap? Do you find it too frightening to go there?

These control freaks damage people's lives and are so evil that they have no regard for anyone but themselves.

It all comes down to belief systems. The dark side occultists believe they have a right to sacrifice, other people choose to believe nothing like this happens at all, other people believe that by wishing love and light to everything, all will turn out right in the end. Others believe that with the advent of Jesus Christ, all such things are now past history and should be forgotten.

Let's get something straight. These sacrificers exist today - like it or lump it. If people are too scared, or are far too up their own backsides to go looking for them, then these things will continue unabated.

Note here I am not saying that Madelaine has been sacrificed. She may or may not have been, even though there are things surrounding this which read to me as occult signatures. But whilst no one dares to go looking into those areas, the truth may never be found.

There is nothing more evil in this world than people who CHOOSE to walk around with their eyes wide shut!

Fransetter, I would like to point out that I too have my eyes wide open, but just because I choose to take the spiritual route to try and overcome these appaulling acts, by sending out love and healing instead of getting angry and feeding these disgusting people, does not mean that I am too naive to see what is going on. Everyone is trying to do their best in this world in order to make it a better place, which I have no doubt it will be. Just because there are people like me who are filled with hope for the future, does not make us lacking in the awareness department.

What else would you suggest we do???
Unconditional love and light
Julie
xx

[jetta]

2 days ago Gerry Mcann was being interviewed at the Edinburgh Festival; I didn't really watch it properly but he doesn't behave the way you'd expect a father to when his 4 year old daughter has been missing for weeks. I've never seen him show any emotion on tv at all, and he's been on there a lot in the last (nearly) 4 months. :confused:

[jetta]

http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=451&start=15

[jinjo5]

2 days ago Gerry Mcann was being interviewed at the Edinburgh Festival; I didn't really watch it properly but he doesn't behave the way you'd expect a father to when his 4 year old daughter has been missing for weeks. I've never seen him show any emotion on tv at all, and he's been on there a lot in the last (nearly) 4 months. :confused:
Why should they show any emotion in public?
Would you think they would like to keep that private?
If they broke down every time they were in public
they'd be accused of 'milking it'.
You must remember,contrary to some posts,the mcanns dont
know if maddy is dead or alive,so cannot grief properly,either way.
I suppose too that after a certain while,a kind of numbness sets in
cos of the not knowing and anguish.
Can you imagine crying and showing emotion all the time?
It would be physically and mentally draining,to say the least.
Thats when the numbness sets in.....its a coping mechanism.

[jinjo5]

No, my point is that you are merely adding conjecture based on little evidence of satanic ritual abuse and making the things you want to see appear before your very eyes. Like someone finding 4 lines out of 30 in a song that support the view they want to show. Throwing away the 26 lines of the song and saying "look! it's all written here". It's the same with numerology crap. When someone has a screen shot showing 2 groups of numbers that add up to 7 they go hysterical. Same with the number 3, 6 and 13. and then any combination that is divisible or can be rotated around or this plus that equals some secret illuminati ritual number. Given only that the representation of alpha numeric numbers is a western thing it all becomes very silly.

If i was running a forum that had xxxx members on it that believed children were being stolen to be refined into fuel for F1 racing cars we'd all be finding evidence that points to that instead. There is only one explanation that the girl has gone missing so all you conjecturites will go down any path that fits your view on world.

Since her disappearance we've had just about secret number that comes between 1 and 100 from people saying "ooh i think she will be come back on day 33 because that's the secret masonic number" and when that surpasses they just move onto the next number.

All the failures in the conjecture are ignored but if one thing fits then it's a "hit" and becomes "concrete" evidence.:rolleyes:


We've got some pyschics saying she is dead, some saying she is alive and one that says she will be returned sometime between the start of august and end of september. With a chip on every possibility you just can't go wrong.
Im with you on the numbers thing rep;..its quite disturbing what people make of it.
Take my own birthdate.04/02/1961.what have here.
4+2=6...2x3...1961.6+1=7...or..add all the numbers together....:eek:...23!!..
Isnt that an important number?
Im not being flip people,im just showing you can make numbers say anything.

[lydia78]

Im with you on the numbers thing rep;..its quite disturbing what people make of it.
Take my own birthdate.04/02/1961.what have here.
4+2=6...2x3...1961.6+1=7...or..add all the numbers together....:eek:...23!!..
Isnt that an important number?
Im not being flip people,im just showing you can make numbers say anything.

LOL....and i'm gonna reduce 23 to 5 making you part of my realm...lol:D

I agree, the numbness is a coping mechanism - the parents are in limbo,

cannot even begin to imagine how they feel knowing that some regard them

as having a part in this.

Where's the love, empathy and compassion?

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Im with you on the numbers thing rep;..its quite disturbing what people make of it.
Take my own birthdate.04/02/1961.what have here.
4+2=6...2x3...1961.6+1=7...or..add all the numbers together....:eek:...23!!..
Isnt that an important number?
Im not being flip people,im just showing you can make numbers say anything.



or how about this , 4+2 = 6, turn the 9 around and you get 6 plus the other 6 = 666 oooh! :D

[jesus disciple]

I am joining this thread late
But have read a lot of it
And tbh I am absolutely astonished
At the imagination of some people posting on it.
If I didn't know better
I might start thinking that
There is actually a pervasive air of excitement
Among some of the posters here.
It seems they'd rather have their theories
Proved right at the expensive of a child's life
Than be shown that Maddy wasn't murdered/abducted
By illuminati satanist paedo-cannibals.

NONE of us.
I repeat NONE of us
Have the whole picture
Or even close to it.
All we 'know' is what we read, see, hear
Via various media.
(OK, some of it might be alternative media but...
As far as I'm concerned it's the same bloke wearing a different hat.)
How anyone can glean anything from the info at hand
Other than that a child went missing whilst on holiday
And her parents are at least partially to blame
Because they were negligent and left the children alone.
(But then, we can't even be sure that's the truth, can we?)

Some of these wild theories of the queen eating madeleine for example.
Where do these theories come from?
Who perpetuates them?
And why?
Fearmongering rubbish imo.

My personal opinion
Which hasn't changed since I first heard of Maddy's disappearance
Is that the parents killed her, perhaps accidentally.
This is gut instinct and nothing more.
This would explain various events since
The huge campaign for Maddy (guilt)
The mother's physical deterioration (guilt)
etc.

I hope this is the case.
I really do.
Because if she did get abducted
And her abductors' imaginations are anywhere near as sick
As some as the individuals on this thread
Then the former is the easiest most bearable to conceive of.

One thing I did find very interesting on this thread however
Was that apparently the Madeleine fund and her name
Has been copyrighted.
I haven't been able to find any corroboration of this.
Can anyone post proof of that?

The Fund has topped the £1million mark now.
What is this money being used for?
Plane tickets/hotels/travel expenses etc
Surely wouldn't even make a dent in that.

[sevenworlds]

Don't write off numerology so easily.

There is something in numerology, as there is in astrology, and many forms of divination. Numbers are just expressions of energy as everything else is. They can be useful as clues in the manifested world to what is going on in the unmanifested realm.

It's just that some people start going crazy with these things and make them fit. I believe they are there - if you have enough awareness - to act as signposts in this world. There really is no such thing as a coincidence.

[jesus disciple]

Don't write off numerology so easily.

There is something in numerology, as there is in astrology, and many forms of divination. Numbers are just expressions of energy as everything else is. They can be useful as clues in the manifested world to what is going on in the unmanifested realm.

It's just that some people start going crazy with these things and make them fit. I believe they are there - if you have enough awareness - to act as signposts in this world. There really is no such thing as a coincidence.

For sure.
I agree, numbers are just energies same as everything else.
I wasn't specifically referring to the numerologists though.
Just the prevalent vibe amongst a lot of posters on the thread generally.
When people rubberneck at a carcrash, they want
To see blood and guts etc
Otherwise why would they be looking?
Same goes here...
People want to see evidence of
Satantic/ritualistic/illuminati involvement
Because it will add further weight to their world view.
Isn't it enough to realise that human beings are capable of
Terrible things?
Without having to attribute everything to reptilian satanist freemasons?
It's called passing the buck.
Scapegoating.
And also very human.

[fransetter]

Fransetter, Just because there are people like me who are filled with hope for the future, does not make us lacking in the awareness department.

What else would you suggest we do???
Unconditional love and light
Julie
xx

Hi Julie. Did I actually say that having a belief makes you or any of the others I mentioned "lacking in the awareness dept"? Surely not, because as I said those who believe in the dark side think they have a right to do what they do.

Noooo, what I am saying is that it doesn't matter what anyone's belief system is, there are no excuses for people not to look in areas which may make them feel uncomfortable, even if it does appear to be ridiculous on the surface. If Madelaine was my child, believe you me, I would want absolutely NO stone left unturned to find her, no matter where that might lead. I'd just want her back alive, healthy and in one piece. At the very worst, I would want to know what happened to her.

Love and light
Fran
xx

[howie]

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2702/26augfw8.jpg

Gerry walks out on interview when he is asked about the traces of blood found in the apartment.

http://www.lanoria.telecinco.es/dn_250.htm

Video: mms://media.telecinco.es/telecinco/lanoria_ba/070827_madie3.wmv

[julieray]

Hi Julie. Did I actually say that having a belief makes you or any of the others I mentioned "lacking in the awareness dept"? Surely not, because as I said those who believe in the dark side think they have a right to do what they do.

Noooo, what I am saying is that it doesn't matter what anyone's belief system is, there are no excuses for people not to look in areas which may make them feel uncomfortable, even if it does appear to be ridiculous on the surface. If Madelaine was my child, believe you me, I would want absolutely NO stone left unturned to find her, no matter where that might lead. I'd just want her back alive, healthy and in one piece. At the very worst, I would want to know what happened to her.

Love and light
Fran
xx

Hi Fran,

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you that I too, if she were my child would be actively searching and would never give up nor leave any stone unturned no matter how painful the outcome - I would never give up searching. I also understand that you speak from experience to a certain degree so are more qualified than most to have an opinion in this area to bring awareness to those who, for whatever reason, choose to close their minds to this possibility. However, I still believe that she is alive myself and I will continue to be positive and hopeful and send out love and healing not just to her and her family but to those who have taken her, because my own personal view is that, although they might indeed be extremely evil people, they are very sick souls and it is their souls that I wish to heal.

I just hope that these people are brought to justice though and removed from society for all our sakes and I agree with you, this must be addressed as an issue and tackled head on to make as many people aware of this as possible, as quite clearly, at the moment, it is not.

Love and light to you Fran,
Julie
xxx:)

[albie]

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2702/26augfw8.jpg

Gerry walks out on interview when he is asked about the traces of blood found in the apartment.

http://www.lanoria.telecinco.es/dn_250.htm

Video: mms://media.telecinco.es/telecinco/lanoria_ba/070827_madie3.wmv

If it was their blood the police would know.

So it's an unknown person.

As for walking out, please. People have been making sly accusations all the time. If your kid was taken and all manner of idiots kept saying it was you...you'd get upset.

I see nothing satanic or suspicious about any of this crime.

It happens all the time.

Perverts.

[splinterg]

No such thing as a coincidence..it is time the debunkers sat back and realised their is no moral ground for their blindness..the sheep will not follow you into your pen..for your pen long lost its ink..

Everything is for a reason..sit back and watch the show debunkers you really need to pay attention to reality and not your suppressed versions of it..

Madeleine is most certainly alive..Gerry and Kate know this to be true

[indigo]

No such thing as a coincidence..it is time the debunkers sat back and realised their is no moral ground for their blindness..the sheep will not follow you into your pen..for your pen long lost its ink..

Everything is for a reason..sit back and watch the show debunkers you really need to pay attention to reality and not your suppressed versions of it..

Madeleine is most certainly alive..Gerry and Kate know this to be true
I agree.

Matt James has always said she is alive. http://mara-gamiel.blogspot.com/ This blog may be removed if he has complaints about it. It also shows the photo with ''the small girl''

[reptilianshapeshifter]

well I am sure if Matt James says it's so :rolleyes:

[julieray]

I agree.

Matt James has always said she is alive. http://mara-gamiel.blogspot.com/ This blog may be removed if he has complaints about it. It also shows the photo with ''the small girl''

I also hold Matthew James in high regard. I have learnt so much from his blog, he is a truly gifted man and a genuinely nice person. I have e-mailed him and his wife before now, they are helpful and extremely down to earth.

Anyway, he has definitely rocked the boat in what he has been saying as he has received no end of abuse and psychic attack from the higher orders, so he must be onto something, to be rattling their cages, and he is standing his ground and continuing with his blog, especially where others would have shut up shop.

Go on Reptilianshapeshifter - roll your eyes at that one too!!!!:D

[sunyatta60]

Its all coming back. Wasn't the detective who was working close to the parents writing poems about the kids and then later on ended up in court because they found child pornography on his laptop? and the reason he didn't get charged was way too suspect (cause they couldn't prove he was logged into the laptop at the time or something) ?

Yes, maybe, he was an honest copper who stumbled across something and they gave him a choice, shut your mouth up or we ruin you. When they have all the power it is easily done.

When one person tells a lie, countless others tell it as a Truth.
Mu

[scottmurray]

I think this event is being used to distract us from something else although I do not know what.
dont we have a new unelected prime minister clearly linked to the freemasons making bold changes to security and taxation issues.

[julieray]

dont we have a new unelected prime minister clearly linked to the freemasons making bold changes to security and taxation issues.

Yes and his promise to re-evaluate the troops in Iraq has resulted in him deciding that they have a part to play afterall!!! How long did that take I wonder????

[jinjo5]

No such thing as a coincidence..it is time the debunkers sat back and realised their is no moral ground for their blindness..the sheep will not follow you into your pen..for your pen long lost its ink..

Everything is for a reason..sit back and watch the show debunkers you really need to pay attention to reality and not your suppressed versions of it..

Madeleine is most certainly alive..Gerry and Kate know this to be true
I dont know who you are refering to as the 'debunkers',do you mean people
who find it hard,like me,to think madeleine was taken by satanists for sexual abuse,torture and then be thrown to the lizards for good measure.
debunking is the wrong word,people are using their powers of intelligence,reasoning,deduction,common sense etc to come to the very likely conclusion that she was not taken for satanic purposes.
That does not mean people are ignorant or blind to other things happening in this existence,you seem to be taking a high moral stand against people who arent willing to jump on the satanist bandwagon.
That would make you a sheep,cos you disregard the other viewpoint.blindly!.
Dont know what "suppressed reality" is,there are 6 billion people on this planet.
Meaning there are 6 billion different senses of reality.
For much of my life i thought everything happened for a purpose and there was no such thig as coincidence.....im not so sure these days.
Has everything single miniscule happening and event since the planet was formed been for some reason....everything??
That would make us no more than a computer programme,which may well be true,no free will,no choice,just existing............are we existing for nothing?

P.S.There is no way you could know that maddy is CERTAINLY alive and there is no way you could know that her parents know it too.

[phildee3]

...to think madeleine was taken by satanists for sexual abuse,torture and then be thrown to the lizards for good measure.

Having the complicity of the Portugese police, and her parents (consciously or not), those who took Madeline were much too sophisticated for such crudeness.
If she was taken for the purpose that I have proposed, then she was treated like a queen - no, more like a goddess!

[jinjo5]

..i cant see how kidnapping is sophisticated.
i suppose you mean in its execution...........
..bet you like that word.

[phildee3]

..i cant see how kidnapping is sophisticated.
If it had the approval of the police and her parents, it wasn't kidnapping; - it was escorting.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Go on Reptilianshapeshifter - roll your eyes at that one too!!!!:D


:rolleyes:


:p

[jinjo5]

If it had the approval of the police and her parents, it wasn't kidnapping; - it was escorting.
I think this is my last word on the subject.
If this case is ever resolved,the reasons behind maddy's
disappearance will turn out to be very mundane.
If you can ever call a child kidnapping mundane.
A lot of people are going to look pretty silly on here with
all the way-out unsubstaniated theories and suppositions.
.........au revoir.....:D

[notaslave]

syringe reported to have been found.

here (http://news.sky.com/skynews/picture_gallery/picture_gallery/0,,30100-1281941-7,00.html)

[soglad]

Hmmmmmmm.....the plot thickens.....



Love & Peace!

Soglad

[lottie]

So after all this time, they've only just found a syringe in the parents bedroom?

[indigo]

syringe reported to have been found.

here (http://news.sky.com/skynews/picture_gallery/picture_gallery/0,,30100-1281941-7,00.html)I don't believe it:D There have been so many inconcistences(sp:confused:) in the media and I believe it to be a smokescreen.

Julieray, yes Matt James is great. I'm always reading his site to see what he says about the case, although his theories are slightly different to mine. But interesting all the same. I'm glad he put up the pic with the girl behind the car.

[phildee3]

Most of us have seen the photo of Bush flashing the now-famous hand sign (left hand, fingers pointed down) on his way into the dinner at the White House on May 7th:

http://www.voccoquan.com/images%202007/queen%20bush.jpg

...but did you know that he also flashed it again (same hand, fingers down) at the British Embassy the following day?:

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.voccoquan.com/images%25202007/queen%2520bush.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ristocrats.blogspot.com/2007_05_06_archive.html&h=195&w=390&sz=16&hl=en&start=119&tbnid=xzj2ezOjVc1ULM:&tbnh=62&tbnw=123&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbush%2Bqueen%2Bhand%2Bsign%26start%3D 100%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%2 6sa%3DN

[albie]

No such thing as a coincidence..it is time the debunkers sat back and realised their is no moral ground for their blindness..the sheep will not follow you into your pen..for your pen long lost its ink..

Everything is for a reason..sit back and watch the show debunkers you really need to pay attention to reality and not your suppressed versions of it..

Madeleine is most certainly alive..Gerry and Kate know this to be true


No such thing as a coincidence?

Come on. That's loony talk. Some might be messages but some are just coincidences.

[howie]

Daily Mail website:

"Gerry said the abductor could still save their soul"

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2244/gerrymccann30augustmailaj7.jpg

Daily Mail Newspaper:

"Gerry said the kidnapper could still save his soul"

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5920/gerrymccann30august2007yl1.jpg

[notaslave]

Daily Mail website:

"Gerry said the abductor could still save their soul"

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2244/gerrymccann30augustmailaj7.jpg

Daily Mail Newspaper:

"Gerry said the kidnapper could still save his soul"

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5920/gerrymccann30august2007yl1.jpg

The bit where the spokesperson said "they never used sedatives on their children" is wrong. Somewhere I read Madeleine had a sleep walking problem and sedatives were used (at least at one time) will go find link now.

No link as there is no evidence (yet) of sedatives having been used. Her grandmother did report a sleepwalking problem in Madeleine, which makes the whole situation of leaving the kids alone next to a swimming pool even more suspect.

[lydia78]

If someone loses their child then a part of them is also lost, hence why he feels as if his soul has gone....it is a greif so deep that noone could begin comprehend it unless they have been through something simular.

[phildee3]

Her grandmother did report a sleepwalking problem in Madeleine, which makes the whole situation of leaving the kids alone next to a swimming pool even more suspect.

With the door unlocked!!!

[adzboarder]

syringe reported to have been found.

here (http://news.sky.com/skynews/picture_gallery/picture_gallery/0,,30100-1281941-7,00.html)

What? theres nothing about the syringe at this link! hmm.... who could have had access to be able to delete it....:confused:

[splinterg]

I dont know who you are refering to as the 'debunkers',do you mean people
who find it hard,like me,to think madeleine was taken by satanists for sexual abuse,torture and then be thrown to the lizards for good measure.
debunking is the wrong word,people are using their powers of intelligence,reasoning,deduction,common sense etc to come to the very likely conclusion that she was not taken for satanic purposes.
That does not mean people are ignorant or blind to other things happening in this existence,you seem to be taking a high moral stand against people who arent willing to jump on the satanist bandwagon.
That would make you a sheep,cos you disregard the other viewpoint.blindly!.
Dont know what "suppressed reality" is,there are 6 billion people on this planet.
Meaning there are 6 billion different senses of reality.
For much of my life i thought everything happened for a purpose and there was no such thig as coincidence.....im not so sure these days.
Has everything single miniscule happening and event since the planet was formed been for some reason....everything??
That would make us no more than a computer programme,which may well be true,no free will,no choice,just existing............are we existing for nothing?

P.S.There is no way you could know that maddy is CERTAINLY alive and there is no way you could know that her parents know it too.


I respect your opinion and maybe even agree with some of what you said..nevertheless.. in my opinion and that's all it is..people who abuse someone's freewill or freethought are closed minded bordering on the controlled minded..though I dont aim this or my post at you I find it strange that you should become offended..? If you are open minded why close off mine? Believe what you like that is your choice and Im glad you have that..Me I have many choices..I never said follow me and I never said that is what is

As for Madeleine McCann think positive..why succumb to the negative..

Im existing for eveything

[phildee3]

As for Madeleine McCann think positive..why succumb to the negative..

Positive and negative are value judgements. One person's negative is another's positive, and vice-versa. If we are to find out the truth we must come at this from a detached, purely objective point of view.

[jinjo5]

I respect your opinion and maybe even agree with some of what you said..nevertheless.. in my opinion and that's all it is..people who abuse someone's freewill or freethought are closed minded bordering on the controlled minded..though I dont aim this or my post at you I find it strange that you should become offended..? If you are open minded why close off mine? Believe what you like that is your choice and Im glad you have that..Me I have many choices..I never said follow me and I never said that is what is

As for Madeleine McCann think positive..why succumb to the negative..

Im existing for eveything
No,splinterg.Im not offended in the slightest,i just wasnt sure who you were aiming at,if anybody,and certainly didnt think it was aimed at me in particular.
I am an open-minded person,always have,always will.
I just dont subscribe to the satantic/child abuse in this case,there isnt any need to think that.
That's why i get annoyed about the pics about maddy's eye and her parents arent upset enough....utter bollocks,to be frank.
There is no evidence,so people are just speculating wildly,thrashing in the dark.
Exactly,think positive about madeleine,think positive too about her parents
having a go at them and saying their daughter has been taken by satanists
isnt showing much love,it makes things worse.
Sure,everybody is entitled to their opinion but id rather my theory be true than yours,wouldnt you?
Some posts gleefully put forward the satanist/sexual abuse,they seem to quite enjoy it,revel in saying that and without a seconds thought for madeleine or a her family.

[magicmerlin]

Well. This thread has cetainly become a bit of a conflict. Quite frankly, I doubt anyone who has posted can actually be 100% sure of what has happened and what the motives of the whole scenario are.

I have to say that I started this thread 4 months ago and I did subscribe to the feeling that this 'could' be linked to sacraficial groups. However, suggesting that this implicitly makes me and people who are open to this concpt, a group of twisted sickos is ridiculous in itself. Nevertheless, what I will say is that all of us who hold the view that this may have happened must at the same time hope that we are wrong. This is the crux of the problem, because many people want evidence that this disgusting type of thing happens, because if it could be proven that it does, it would finally ignite the masses into fury and provide cold, hard truth that conspiracy is real and we are being led by an 'illumanati'.

Now I will digress a little.....this is no different to the early days of 9/11. I would imagine you can find 9/11 posts which had similar tones to the conflict in this thread, with some people saying 'Guys, this was America murdering its own, the illumanati etc...', and on the other side of the coin, the guys saying 'you're sick and ridiculous, how can you say such things'. Of course, some people may still think the official story is true, but you see my point. While there is no way of knowing the truth behind the madeline case, surely you can see that the sacraficial vibes etc are not 'necessarily' unfounded - unlikely maybe, but heck isn't the concept of crashing planes to fake a terrorist attack unlikely too?

I would also add that a major reason for the Mccann case being linkled to conspiracy is the fact it has such a huge media coverage, when there are genuinely other children who have dissapeared since.

Let's pray that madeline is safe.

[pedsi]

Well. This thread has cetainly become a bit of a conflict. Quite frankly, I doubt anyone who has posted can actually be 100% sure of what has happened and what the motives of the whole scenario are.

I have to say that I started this thread 4 months ago and I did subscribe to the feeling that this 'could' be linked to sacraficial groups. However, suggesting that this implicitly makes me and people who are open to this concpt, a group of twisted sickos is ridiculous in itself. Nevertheless, what I will say is that all of us who hold the view that this may have happened must at the same time hope that we are wrong. This is the crux of the problem, because many people want evidence that this disgusting type of thing happens, because if it could be proven that it does, it would finally ignite the masses into fury and provide cold, hard truth that conspiracy is real and we are being led by an 'illumanati'.

Now I will digress a little.....this is no different to the early days of 9/11. I would imagine you can find 9/11 posts which had similar tones to the conflict in this thread, with some people saying 'Guys, this was America murdering its own, the illumanati etc...', and on the other side of the coin, the guys saying 'you're sick and ridiculous, how can you say such things'. Of course, some people may still think the official story is true, but you see my point. While there is no way of knowing the truth behind the madeline case, surely you can see that the sacraficial vibes etc are not 'necessarily' unfounded - unlikely maybe, but heck isn't the concept of crashing planes to fake a terrorist attack unlikely too?

I would also add that a major reason for the Mccann case being linkled to conspiracy is the fact it has such a huge media coverage, when there are genuinely other children who have dissapeared since.

Let's pray that madeline is safe.

My sentiments exactly,I think some people on this thread seem to be taking the story at face value and as you say it was the same with 911.Its not that people like myself, who are suggesting this may be a plot to forward the agenda of microchipping or may be some sort of ritual sacrafice dont have feelings for the missing child or are on some sort of ego trip to be proven correct.Its just as a result of what we've learned about how we as a people are manipulated on so many levels that we can see that this is possibly not a straight forward missing child case.

[jinjo5]

Well. This thread has cetainly become a bit of a conflict. Quite frankly, I doubt anyone who has posted can actually be 100% sure of what has happened and what the motives of the whole scenario are.

I have to say that I started this thread 4 months ago and I did subscribe to the feeling that this 'could' be linked to sacraficial groups. However, suggesting that this implicitly makes me and people who are open to this concpt, a group of twisted sickos is ridiculous in itself. Nevertheless, what I will say is that all of us who hold the view that this may have happened must at the same time hope that we are wrong. This is the crux of the problem, because many people want evidence that this disgusting type of thing happens, because if it could be proven that it does, it would finally ignite the masses into fury and provide cold, hard truth that conspiracy is real and we are being led by an 'illumanati'.

Now I will digress a little.....this is no different to the early days of 9/11. I would imagine you can find 9/11 posts which had similar tones to the conflict in this thread, with some people saying 'Guys, this was America murdering its own, the illumanati etc...', and on the other side of the coin, the guys saying 'you're sick and ridiculous, how can you say such things'. Of course, some people may still think the official story is true, but you see my point. While there is no way of knowing the truth behind the madeline case, surely you can see that the sacraficial vibes etc are not 'necessarily' unfounded - unlikely maybe, but heck isn't the concept of crashing planes to fake a terrorist attack unlikely too?

I would also add that a major reason for the Mccann case being linkled to conspiracy is the fact it has such a huge media coverage, when there are genuinely other children who have dissapeared since.

Let's pray that madeline is safe.
Quite right magic,nobody really knows what happened.
When ive said some people are sick or insane for the posts theyve put up,its directed at those who are just fumbling in the dark for reasons or doing it merely for effect without a thought of what theyre saying.
Im going to digress now,this may sound contradictory considering what ive said about the Maddy case,but i think 9/11 is by far the most convincing 'conspiracy' theory by a million miles.
The evidence,to me,is overwhelming.So many 'coincindences',the way bush acted on the day and a lot of his cronies were well away from the areas attacked.They knew what was coming.
Now the main difference between Maddy's case and 9/11 is that there is barely a shred of evidence of how she disappeared or what happened.
But with 9/11,its hard to know where to start,there's so much physical evidence,like how the towers went down,eye witnesses.etc.
It is a wonder why maddy's case as been singled out for special attention there is a lot of strange things concerned with the case...maybe the powers that be are using the case to frighten people about their kids,making it easier for kids to be microhipped ortagged in some way.i dont know.

[infinitely free]

i noticed this yesterday while reading an article on the BBC news site, look at here left eye, pretty odd :

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42925000/jpg/_42925083_madeleine_pa_203_b.jpg

Yes, pretty odd...

And I couldn't bevieve the bias of 5News! They blamed the Portugese, for questioning, the official story!

[indigo]

I cant believe the media fell for it again (Reporting the parents Killed her) there have been stories splashed everywhere about blood being found, the scent of a body etc(obviously all set up). It only took one thicko to create a libel case, resulting in more money for the mcscams. fucking idiots.

[karma19]

I have read alot about this poor girl. I think the parents are not 100% innocent. Who would leave a child that age on their own, or even worse with other young children.
Something is not right

[jinjo5]

I have read alot about this poor girl. I think the parents are not 100% innocent. Who would leave a child that age on their own, or even worse with other young children.
Something is not right
There is not a single parent on the planet who has been 100% right all the time when bringing up their kids.
Parenting is a hard job,you dont get it right all of the time,so typically,for this thread,another post where minimal effort as gone into its thinking.

[karma19]

There is not a single parent on the planet who has been 100% right all the time when bringing up their kids.
Parenting is a hard job,you dont get it right all of the time,so typically,for this thread,another post where minimal effort as gone into its thinking.

I'm sorry but my mum and dad would never have left me or my brother without someone looking after us at night. There were baby sitters available on the site that the parents could have paid. I'm not saying parenting is not a tough job but you have to be responisble!!

[illuminotti]

for anyone who wants to uncover more on the church theory, the mirror forums have found connections with the priest there at the moment and everyone else, take a look it's a little to much to copy and paste, also read the thread on a priest britt, he reckons he was pushed out of praia by the freemasons a couple of weeks before maddy went missing, could be why gerry asked for the priest a few hours after maddy went missing, he was a friend!!

[goodgirl]

Whatever the truth is, I hope Madeline is alive and well.

I hate hearing stories of children being abducted, tortured etc. :(

[jinjo5]

Whatever the truth is, I hope Madeline is alive and well.

I hate hearing stories of children being abducted, tortured etc. :(
When you think about it child abductions seem very rare,i dont know why the press have concentrated on this particular case when so many kids go missing,maybe it was just that it was a quiet news day and maddy's case came up at the 'right' time and theyve run with it.
It wont stop the fruitcakes though with all this satanic nonsense.

[mcmenek1]

When you think about it child abductions seem very rare,i dont know why the press have concentrated on this particular case when so many kids go missing,maybe it was just that it was a quiet news day and maddy's case came up at the 'right' time and theyve run with it.
It wont stop the fruitcakes though with all this satanic nonsense.

Hi jinjo5,

Has it not occurred to you that may be the people behind Madeline's disappearance may also control the press and what goes in it...... I was in a shop today and in the shop there was a huge poster of Madeline's face.....her face is constantly in the news papers its everywhere you look you can't get away from it.....its like they are using any old excuse to keep it front page news they are deliberately keeping the story in the conscious minds of the public....this is no accident it is all very deliberate.....

Love
&
Peace

[jinjo5]

I'm sorry but my mum and dad would never have left me or my brother without someone looking after us at night. There were baby sitters available on the site that the parents could have paid. I'm not saying parenting is not a tough job but you have to be responisble!!
yes,but there must have been times when your mam or dad had to nip to the shops to get a bit of shopping and leave you for 2 or 3 minutes....thats all it takes.
It doesnt have to be at night,abductions can be at anytime of day.

[notaslave]

I think the reason why this case isnt going away and why people are still commenting on it here (and elsewere) is the media handling of it.

A couple of middle-class Gods (aka doctors) went out on the lash every night leaving their kids, home alone. These werent just kids, they were babies. Another doctor in the party left a child of 18 mths home alone. The Gods called it dining, so well that's ok then. Except most of us know it wasnt dining, they were out on the pish and we also know if they worked in a local factory they would have been crucified in the media for leaving their kids alone.

I dont personally think it is any more sinister than neglectful parents who perhaps over-did sedation or calpol. But we now have these Gods championing missing children, telling the rest of us how to behave, without ONCE admitting they were wrong.

This story wont go away because we have had other high profile people come out and say "we've all done it". No we fecking havent, I was a very young mother and I never did it and neither do most others. If I wanted to nip to the local shop, the kids came too.

The UK has this near-worship of doctors, which I have always found hard to comprehend. Their status is elevated far beyond their worth and many of them actually believe the hype. On the few occasions I have seen doctors who arent British born I fully appreciate that they dont have this "holier than thou" attitude which British born doctors have.

We have a situation where the media with their refusal to criticise these neglectful parents are condoning leaving small children. What message is this sending to young parents today?

[julieray]

I think the reason why this case isnt going away and why people are still commenting on it here (and elsewere) is the media handling of it.

A couple of middle-class Gods (aka doctors) went out on the lash every night leaving their kids, home alone. These werent just kids, they were babies. Another doctor in the party left a child of 18 mths home alone. The Gods called it dining, so well that's ok then. Except most of us know it wasnt dining, they were out on the pish and we also know if they worked in a local factory they would have been crucified in the media for leaving their kids alone.

I dont personally think it is any more sinister than neglectful parents who perhaps over-did sedation or calpol. But we now have these Gods championing missing children, telling the rest of us how to behave, without ONCE admitting they were wrong.

This story wont go away because we have had other high profile people come out and say "we've all done it". No we fecking havent, I was a very young mother and I never did it and neither do most others. If I wanted to nip to the local shop, the kids came too.

The UK has this near-worship of doctors, which I have always found hard to comprehend. Their status is elevated far beyond their worth and many of them actually believe the hype. On the few occasions I have seen doctors who arent British born I fully appreciate that they dont have this "holier than thou" attitude which British born doctors have.

We have a situation where the media with their refusal to criticise these neglectful parents are condoning leaving small children. What message is this sending to young parents today?


I think they have actually apologised publically on more than one occasion now and have stated that if they could turn the clock back they would have done things differently and that they have agonised over what they allowed to happen etc. etc.,. However, that does not excuse the fact that they did allow this to happen and I agree with you that had it been a working class factory worker, the media would have had a different view of the situation.

The latest is that Kate wants there to be an EU Child Abuse Register!! I find this quite hypocritical for 2 reasons; Firstly, how do they know that this is what has happened to Maddie? and Secondly, if the EU do decide to do this, then the majority of people on that list will be the upper class aristrocracy, politicians, and other elite, who practise satanism/sacrifice - or don't they count because they are above the law???:rolleyes: The whole thing is a farce!

[notaslave]

I may have missed it but they do seem to have cleverly avoided admitting any negligence. "We were at worst naive" and similar terms are all I have read. No indeed they werent naive, they were criminally negligent as were the others in the party who left their children alone.

People have said to me you're the unluckiest person in the world, and we are. That night runs over and over in my mind, and I'm sure people will learn from our mistake, if you want to call it that. But it is important not to lose sight of the fact we haven't committed a crime. (http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article2836182.ece) Somebody has. Somebody's been there, somebody's been watching. They took our daughter away and we can't lose sight of that.

[jinjo5]

I may have missed it but they do seem to have cleverly avoided admitting any negligence. "We were at worst naive" and similar terms are all I have read. No indeed they werent naive, they were criminally negligent as were the others in the party who left their children alone.

People have said to me you're the unluckiest person in the world, and we are. That night runs over and over in my mind, and I'm sure people will learn from our mistake, if you want to call it that. But it is important not to lose sight of the fact we haven't committed a crime. (http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article2836182.ece) Somebody has. Somebody's been there, somebody's been watching. They took our daughter away and we can't lose sight of that.
Come on now slave,"criminally negligent"?....how heartless can you get?
This thread continues to shock me,dont you think they feel bad enough slave without comments of criminal negligence?.i take it you have no kids of your own.
Its the self-righteousness of some of the posts that maddens me,they are being manipulated stupid by the press,for sure,but to say things like they are "cleverly avoiding" admitting negligence,is a bit much.
Hope you never find yourself in the situation the mcanns are in.

[notaslave]

I do have kids yes.

It's not as heartless as leaving babies to their own devices whilst you go out, leaving an unlocked door, a set of stone steps, a busy main road (to the side) and a swimming pool between yourself and your kids - all under four years old.

If they admitted they had done wrong, I wouldnt want them touched (unless of course they are also directly responsible for her death). But they both continue with this "we've done nothing wrong" attitude, which is socially irresponsible and leaves one to wonder whether they will repeat the offence - as clearly they did nothing wrong in their eyes.

"I'm sure people will learn from our mistake, if you want to call it that" says Mrs McCann, clearly still unable to admit a gross error in judgement and care for their children.

[notaslave]

All that is missing is a parrafin lamp balanced precariously on a three legged table with a wobbly leg

[reptilianshapeshifter]

The latest is that Kate wants there to be an EU Child Abuse Register!! !

Starting with people that leave their kids unattended while eating at a restaurant over 100 feet away?

[jinjo5]

Starting with people that leave their kids unattended while eating at a restaurant over 100 feet away?
You may be put on the child abuse register if you leave your child in the next room,without supervision.:rolleyes:......it wouldnt surprise me.
Maybe you will be put on the register if you dont speak to your child at least once every 15 minutes,cos it will be classed as "social neglect".
It might seem im being sarcy,but im speaking through anger and exasperation at how society is going.

[karma19]

If they admitted they had done wrong, I wouldnt want them touched (unless of course they are also directly responsible for her death).

Here Here............someone talking sense

[notaslave]

Mrs McCann added: "Everyone I know who has been to Portugal with their children said it was very family friendly, and it did feel like that.
"If I'd had to think for one second about it, it wouldn't have happened. I never even had to think like that, to make the decision. It felt so safe that I didn't even have to - I mean, I don't think we took a risk. "


Daily Mail 4th Sept (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=479793&in_page_id=1770)

Madeleine's parents: We WERE wrong to leave her alone

says the headlines, but I didnt see that in any direct quote

[goodgirl]

When you think about it child abductions seem very rare,i dont know why the press have concentrated on this particular case when so many kids go missing,maybe it was just that it was a quiet news day and maddy's case came up at the 'right' time and theyve run with it.
It wont stop the fruitcakes though with all this satanic nonsense.

True.

I think the constant exposure has been a bit much. Especially when the tabloids aren't saying anything new about the case.

[shodan]

Madeleine McCann's mother questioned again

Kate McCann is being formally questioned by Portuguese police on her own today over the disappearance of her four-year-old daughter Madeleine.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/06/nmaddy206.xml

[tinmenace]

Madeleine McCann's mother questioned again




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/06/nmaddy206.xml

Yep...reminds me of the JonBenet case, where they came back to the mother over and over again but were never able to prove anything.



...The UK's Press Association reported Thursday that the UK-based Forensic Science Service (FSS) had uncovered "significant new information" after analyzing evidence taken from the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, from which Madeleine disappeared.

Specks of blood, items of clothing and other objects in the apartment were being tested...

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/09/06/madeleine.mccann/index.html)

[tinmenace]

I just heard on the news that they say an arrest will be made within 48 hours. I can't confirm it anywhere on the web, however.

Anyone heard the same?

[ssyx]

I just saw a couple of front pages here in the UK, they said an arrest was imminent.
However long that is.:confused:

[tinmenace]

They say they found foreign DNA inside the apartment, and possibly on her clothes? WTF?

I still don't understand the extent of negligence on behalf of the parents. It just doesn't sit right with me.

[whitelightrabbit]

publicly announcing that 'an arrest is imminent?' WTF? way to give the guilty party time to get outta town. :eek:

[tinmenace]

publicly announcing that 'an arrest is imminent?' WTF? way to give the guilty party time to get outta town. :eek:

Unless the person is already in custody, but they just haven't made the arrest formal. Maybe waiting to confirm the results of DNA or something :confused:

This whole story is so twisted.

[i_am]

I just heard on the news when I was driving home that based on the results of forensic testing, they are going to interview the parents seperately. Up until now they have only been interviewed by police briefly and together.

???

[tinmenace]

I just heard on the news when I was driving home that based on the results of forensic testing, they are going to interview the parents seperately. Up until now they have only been interviewed by police briefly and together.

???

Yeah, I have my own thoughts about this, and I'll keep them to myself for now...

[graflok]

Yep...reminds me of the JonBenet case, where they came back to the mother over and over again but were never able to prove anything.

I think when this happens it's because they're being helped (i.e., protected) from
behind the scenes. There have been a number of cases like this.

If you haven't seen the movie Zodiac, I recommend it. Knowing what we
know, it's easy to read between the lines on what was really going on with that
case. It makes it all the more fascinating, actually. (But, most people won't see
that, unfortunately.)

[tinmenace]

I think when this happens it's because they're being helped (i.e., protected) from
behind the scenes. There have been a number of cases like this.

If you haven't seen the movie Zodiac, I recommend it. Knowing what we
know, it's easy to read between the lines on what was really going on with that
case. It makes it all the more fascinating, actually. (But, most people won't see
that, unfortunately.)

Yeah, you know thousands of children go missing worldwide every year, but there are only a few that are this big. JonBenet is one of them, and now Madeleine. Now all these years later, after JonBenet's murder, I have such a different opinion about it all. Nothing could have convinced me, back then, that her parents were involved. Now, I cannot see how they couldn't have been.

She was found with a freaking garotte around her neck! FFS!


That's not how I imagine child murderers would murder their victims. Usually they abduct the child out of the house...take them somewhere quiet where they can carry out their evil, undisturbed. This incident happened in her house, in her basement, and her father found her body! What kind of predator is going to feel safe enough to torture a child in her own house? Who would take that kind of risk? Obviously someone that felt safe doing it there.

If there is DNA evidence on Maddy's clothes, which puts a stranger inside the McCann's apartment, I think the parents have some explaining to do.

[i_am]

I just heard on the news when I was driving home that based on the results of forensic testing, they are going to interview the parents seperately. Up until now they have only been interviewed by police briefly and together.

???



http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?storyID=8533

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/06/nmaddy306.xml

[magicmerlin]

Latest reports say the Mother will become a formal suspect later today. This gets stranger and stranger, considering it has taken 4 months to get the DNA tested. The vatican has now taken down links to the case.....hmmm.

[thedame]

Latest reports say the Mother will become a formal suspect later today. This gets stranger and stranger, considering it has taken 4 months to get the DNA tested. The vatican has now taken down links to the case.....hmmm.

Yeah, I just saw the latest on Yahoo News. It seems that there's a conflict between the truth and the official story (surprise surprise!). There was talk at the beginning of this thread of the story being a mass brainwash tactic... it seems more like some honest police investigators have maybe stumbled on something they shouldn't have?

[i_am]

Yeah, I just saw the latest on Yahoo News. It seems that there's a conflict between the truth and the official story (surprise surprise!). There was talk at the beginning of this thread of the story being a mass brainwash tactic... it seems more like some honest police investigators have maybe stumbled on something they shouldn't have?

This story gets stranger and stranger.

One of the links I posted above had something I have not seen or heard anywhere else:

Arrests are expected in the next 48 hours following the breakthrough.

According to the Portuguese paper Correio da Manha, quoting unnamed police sources, the scent of a corpse has been found on Kate McCann's clothes by British sniffer dogs. The scent was also found on Madeleine's Cuddle Cat, which her mother has carried with her ever since the four-year-old went missing.

The dog, trained to pick up the scent of corpses, became 'extremely nervous' when shown Kate's T-shirt and shorts, according to the paper. A second dog, trained in detecting blood and saliva, picked up a scent in the boot of the McCanns' rented car.

Portuguese police, having first denied that any forensic results had arrived from Britain, admitted last night that some had been delivered. Specks of blood found on the walls of Madeleine's room in the apartment in Praia da Luz have not yet been formally identified, however.


:eek:

[emerald]

All is moonshine, the truth will be hidden from us just as its now while the media will do their dirty job and confuse us more and more.

[i_am]

All is moonshine, the truth will be hidden from us just as its now while the media will do their dirty job and confuse us more and more.

I was about to say that you never know with newspapers. We all know about sensationalist journalism. I looked up the source, Correio da Manha and it says they are associated with 'Junk Food News'

From Wikipedia,

Junk food news refers to news stories that sensationalize, personalize or homogenize relatively inconsequential trivia in the mass media. It is a sardonic phrase which has the same meaning as journalistic noise.

The term "junk food news" suggests an unflattering similarity in quality of some stories selected by news editors and junk food (poor quality food stuffs)



Sounds like most media to me :D

[tinmenace]

Friend: Girl's parents to be named suspects

The Associated Press reports the parents of a British girl who disappeared four months ago will be formally named as suspects by Portuguese police, a family friend said. Kate and Gerry McCann are to be questioned in the disappearance of their 4-year-old daughter, Madeleine.

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/09/07/madeleine.mccann/index.html)







NOW we're getting somewhere...a little late though :mad:

[neon]

Saw on the news today, she might have been drugged.

When i saw the mothers face on tv today, it wasnt the face that looked innocent or concerned about the child.

[tinmenace]

Yeah, I've never felt good about the parents' role in this thing.

[tinmenace]

Source: Missing girl's blood found in family car

Madeleine McCann's blood was found in a car her parents rented 25 days after they reported the girl missing, a family spokeswoman told CNN. Police today told the girl's mother she is a formal suspect and a family friend told The Associated Press the girl's father also would be named a suspect.

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/09/07/madeleine.mccann/index.html)






:eek:

[phildee3]

I used to think that the title of this thread was a mispelling.
Now I see it wasn't.

[tinmenace]

If her blood was found in a car rented 25 days after her disappearance, you have to wonder why they were keeping her alive (or did they?).

[peachped]

It could have been a mere speck of blood found in the car, perhaps found with luminol.

[tinmenace]

New thread HERE (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9154)

[phildee3]

If her blood was found in a car rented 25 days after her disappearance, you have to wonder why they were keeping her alive (or did they?).

It was brought to the car in a vial.

[howie]

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9900/maddy15052007jy9.jpg

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4875/madmccan1py7.jpg

this looks like the same photo reversed but the eye markings appear in the left eye & both irises have black rings

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3731/eyescloseup3ck1.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6513/madeleine06august2007kj4.jpg

[jinjo5]

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9900/maddy15052007jy9.jpg

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4875/madmccan1py7.jpg

this looks like the same photo reversed but the eye markings appear in the left eye & both irises have black rings

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3731/eyescloseup3ck1.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6513/madeleine06august2007kj4.jpg
That really is a staggeringly pathetic comment howie,are you saying she's a lizard girl then?
Some of you need to grow up and stop being bloody idiotic,all you can think about is putting up dodgy fotos and trying to make something out of it.
Hey,howie,how about wishing for the girl's safe return mate and none of this lizard bullshit....you must realize how silly you sound,you must!!.:mad:

[graflok]

That really is a staggeringly pathetic comment howie,are you saying she's a lizard girl then?
Some of you need to grow up and stop being bloody idiotic,all you can think about is putting up dodgy fotos and trying to make something out of it.
Hey,howie,how about wishing for the girl's safe return mate and none of this lizard bullshit....you must realize how silly you sound,you must!!.:mad:

These comments are completely uncalled for.

All howie did was post some pictures about a person in the news with a brief comment about her famous eye markings.

[phoebe]

That really is a staggeringly pathetic comment howie,are you saying she's a lizard girl then?
Some of you need to grow up and stop being bloody idiotic,all you can think about is putting up dodgy fotos and trying to make something out of it.
Hey,howie,how about wishing for the girl's safe return mate and none of this lizard bullshit....you must realize how silly you sound,you must!!.:mad:

Hey jinjo
You mustn't deny these people their entertainment!
What else would they do with their day?

btw Howie.
wtf are you talking about?
Both irises have black rings?
Yeah so do mine...
The photo does appear to be reversed
But apart from some 'warming' of the colours
I can't see any difference in the eyes...

[phoebe]

These comments are completely uncalled for.

All howie did was post some pictures about a person in the news with a brief comment about her famous eye markings.

Maybe the comments were harsh...
But I see jinjo's point.
A lot of people on this thread
Appear to be seeing things where there's nothing to see.
(Wishful thinking?)
That's not good.
It's just a reversed picture ffs.

[graflok]

Hey jinjo
You mustn't deny these people their entertainment!


If we are "these people," what people are you?

[phoebe]

If we are "these people," what people are you?

One of the people who cares about a missing child's safety.
Or at least having justice done for her.
Not one of the people posting pictures of a missing 4 year old
Trying to insinuate that she is reptilian.
Definitely not one of the people
Who see things that aren't there.

[graflok]

Maybe the comments were harsh...

Maybe? :rolleyes:


But I see jinjo's point.

I didn't call jinjo on his "point." I called him on his behavior.
He can make all the points he wants but within the forum guidelines.

[graflok]

One of the people who cares about a missing child's safety.
Or at least having justice done for her.
Not one of the people posting pictures of a missing 4 year old
Trying to insinuate that she is reptilian.
Definitely not one of the people
Who see things that aren't there.

Nice poem but it doesn't rhyme.;)

[jinjo5]

Maybe the comments were harsh...
But I see jinjo's point.
A lot of people on this thread
Appear to be seeing things where there's nothing to see.
(Wishful thinking?)
That's not good.
It's just a reversed picture ffs.
.....i wonder how people would react phoebe,if it was one of their family's or even a neighbours kid had gone missing and found out someone was putting fotos on a web-site tantamount to saying this kid's a lizard,they wouldnt like it.
Sorry if i do sound harsh at times,but some of the things people do and say on this thread infuriate no end.

[graflok]

.....i wonder how people would react phoebe,if it was one of their family's or even a neighbours kid had gone missing and found out someone was putting fotos on a web-site tantamount to saying this kid's a lizard,they wouldnt like it.

So, you were acting out of a deeply heartfelt concern for the missing girl, then?
... uh, excuse, me -- I threw-up a little in the back of my mouth ...


Sorry if i do sound harsh at times,but some of the things people do and say on this thread infuriate no end.

Then why are you here?

[sean~infinte]

wow people with conflicting views eh never would of guessed it

its called expressing our unique opinions now we can all continue scoring points or we can have some maturity

truth is we can all speculate

[jinjo5]

These comments are completely uncalled for.

All howie did was post some pictures about a person in the news with a brief comment about her famous eye markings.
why put up a foto that proves nothing,surely he must see the "foto" proves something,to him.thats the impression i get when people put up these daft fotos with a sense of almost glee.

[jinjo5]

Hey jinjo
You mustn't deny these people their entertainment!
What else would they do with their day?

btw Howie.
wtf are you talking about?
Both irises have black rings?
Yeah so do mine...
The photo does appear to be reversed
But apart from some 'warming' of the colours
I can't see any difference in the eyes...
...there's nothing to see at all.

[howie]

I didn't say she was a lizard, I just don't understand why ITV news reversed the photo instead of using the original or why the Daily Mail have released a doctored photo.

[graflok]

why put up a foto that proves nothing,surely he must see the "foto" proves something,to him.thats the impression i get when people put up these daft fotos with a sense of almost glee.

As I said to phoebe, I wasn't calling you on your point but rather your insulting
and uncalled for post. It was gross and you owe howie an apology.

[jinjo5]

So, you were acting out of a deeply heartfelt concern for the missing girl, then?
... uh, excuse, me -- I threw-up a little in the back of my mouth ...



Then why are you here?
no you didnt throw-up a little,i say friend,she'san innocent 4 year old whos done nowt wrong,i have kids myself.....think a little deeper 'flok.
why am i here?...i have a right to be,do you want people to agree all the time?....that wouldnt achieve anything,would it?

[graflok]

no you didnt throw-up a little,i say friend,she'san innocent 4 year old whos done nowt wrong,i have kids myself.....think a little deeper 'flok.
why am i here?...i have a right to be,do you want people to agree all the time?....that wouldnt achieve anything,would it?

English, please.

[mada88]

That really is a staggeringly pathetic comment howie,are you saying she's a lizard girl then?
Some of you need to grow up and stop being bloody idiotic,all you can think about is putting up dodgy fotos and trying to make something out of it.
Hey,howie,how about wishing for the girl's safe return mate and none of this lizard bullshit....you must realize how silly you sound,you must!!.:mad:

What about all the proper missing children that are missing at this time? I wonder how many other 4 year olds are missing right now. It's all a distraction can't you see? It's just a circus that will be used to pass laws against us. The whole thing is a scam. What about all the kids that are killed each day in war zones? One kid from this country goes missing and the whole country is praying for her safe return when all over the world worse things are happening to children. Children we say we care about them but they are the ones we hurt the most.

EXTRA! EXTRA!!!! READ ALL ABOUT IT! THE MADELINE LIE DEBUNKED! http://ben-fairhall.blogspot.com/

[jinjo5]

wow people with conflicting views eh never would of guessed it

its called expressing our unique opinions now we can all continue scoring points or we can have some maturity

truth is we can all speculate
....you mean mature as folk putting up fotos intimating that she could be a lizard,which means her safety is of only secondary importance.

[jinjo5]

What about all the proper missing children that are missing at this time? I wonder how many other 4 year olds are missing right now. It's all a distraction can't you see? It's just a circus that will be used to pass laws against us. The whole thing is a scam. What about all the kids that are killed each day in war zones? One kid from this country goes missing and the whole country is praying for her safe return when all over the world worse things are happening to children. Children we say we care about them but they are the ones we hurt the most.

EXTRA! EXTRA!!!! READ ALL ABOUT IT! THE MADELINE LIE DEBUNKED! http://ben-fairhall.blogspot.com/
yes,mada,i would agree.There is summat suspicious about it all,which ive said before,its all this lizard cack.disregarding maddy's saftey for the sake of stupid fotos.
A bit surprised to see that you think maddy isnt a proper missing kid.:confused:

[graflok]

...folk putting up fotos intimating that she could be a lizard,which means her safety is of only secondary importance.

It didn't mean that to me.

Could it be that not everyone thinks the way you do?

[jinjo5]

English, please.
proper answer please.

[graflok]

I don't understand your question.

"English, please" means: please write it using the English language so I can understand it.

[jinjo5]

I don't understand your question.

"English, please" means: please write it using the English language so I can understand it.
what is there not to understand 'flok?
i take it you not english?
tell me what you dont understand.

[jinjo5]

It didn't mean that to me.

Could it be that not everyone thinks the way you do?
...everyone thinks differently,my point exactly.

[graflok]

what is there not to understand 'flok?
i take it you not english?
tell me what you dont understand.

Ask a question in English and I'll answer it. What part of that don't you understand?

[pedsi]

jinjo5 how come you can get your head around staged terror attacks like the one in glasgow but for some reason you seem unable to accept that this case me allso be a staged event by the powers that be..

[graflok]

...everyone thinks differently,my point exactly.

Actually, it wasn't your point at all.

[ssyx]

Jinjo...

I don't see how people speculating here about lizards or anything else has any bearing on the safety of a missing child.
Should we all just post "I hope she is OK" "Please let her be safe"?
I would suggest most people hold these views about the safety of the child.
Putting them down here is not going to bring about the return of Madieline anymore than someone posting photo's.
Doesn't mean it shouldn't be done though.

[jinjo5]

Ask a question in English and I'll answer it. What part of that don't you understand?
right 'flok it ends here now.
If you're gonna(not proper english) repeat things,leave it.
as sean sez...again,not proper english...no more points scoring.
time for maturity,have a good evening.god bless.;)

[infinitely free]

right 'flok it ends here now.
If you're gonna(not proper english) repeat things,leave it.
as sean sez...again,not proper english...no more points scoring.
time for maturity,have a good evening.god bless.;)

Pedsy's question was quite good, actually! :)how come you can get your head around staged terror attacks like the one in glasgow but for some reason you seem unable to accept that this case me allso be a staged event by the powers that be..

[graflok]

right 'flok it ends here now.
If you're gonna(not proper english) repeat things,leave it.
as sean sez...again,not proper english...no more points scoring.
time for maturity,have a good evening.god bless.;)

You feel it's mature to insult people? :confused:

[graflok]

Jinjo...
I don't see how people speculating here about lizards or anything else has any bearing on the safety of a missing child.

Exactly! :)

[jinjo5]

Actually, it wasn't your point at all.
ok,it wasnt then.

[graflok]

OK, buh-bye.:)

[phoebe]

Maybe? :rolleyes:

I didn't call jinjo on his "point." I called him on his behavior.
He can make all the points he wants but within the forum guidelines.

Not really that badly behaved though is he?
And I retract my statement from before
When I said that his comments were harsh.
On second look they're not harsh at all.
They're just his emotive comments.

Let's see what he said:

That really is a staggeringly pathetic comment howie,are you saying she's a lizard girl then?
Some of you need to grow up and stop being bloody idiotic,all you can think about is putting up dodgy fotos and trying to make something out of it.
Hey,howie,how about wishing for the girl's safe return mate and none of this lizard bullshit....you must realize how silly you sound,you must!!.

Hardly excruciatingly insulting remarks are they?
Can't see any personal insults there
Totally within forum guidelines I'd say.

[jinjo5]

Jinjo...

I don't see how people speculating here about lizards or anything else has any bearing on the safety of a missing child.
Should we all just post "I hope she is OK" "Please let her be safe"?
I would suggest most people hold these views about the safety of the child.
Putting them down here is not going to bring about the return of Madieline anymore than someone posting photo's.
Doesn't mean it shouldn't be done though.
"i hope she's ok" does sound a little better than people saying she's got a slight eye defect.....LIZARD!!..LIZARD!!.:rolleyes:

[graflok]

Not really that badly behaved though is he?
And I retract my statement from before
When I said that his comments were harsh.
On second look they're not harsh at all.
They're just his emotive comments.

Let's see what he said:
<quote snipped>
Hardly excruciatingly insulting remarks are they?
Can't see any personal insults there
Totally within forum guidelines I'd say.

What are you smoking, girl? (if you'll pardon my "emotive comment")

[tinmenace]

Not really that badly behaved though is he?
And I retract my statement from before
When I said that his comments were harsh.
On second look they're not harsh at all.
They're just his emotive comments.

Let's see what he said:

That really is a staggeringly pathetic comment howie,are you saying she's a lizard girl then?
Some of you need to grow up and stop being bloody idiotic,all you can think about is putting up dodgy fotos and trying to make something out of it.
Hey,howie,how about wishing for the girl's safe return mate and none of this lizard bullshit....you must realize how silly you sound,you must!!.

Hardly excruciatingly insulting remarks are they?
Can't see any personal insults there
Totally within forum guidelines I'd say.

Are you in the Moderator apprenticeship program now? :)

[jinjo5]

Not really that badly behaved though is he?
And I retract my statement from before
When I said that his comments were harsh.
On second look they're not harsh at all.
They're just his emotive comments.

Let's see what he said:

[QUOTE]That really is a staggeringly pathetic comment howie,are you saying she's a lizard girl then?
Some of you need to grow up and stop being bloody idiotic,all you can think about is putting up dodgy fotos and trying to make something out of it.
Hey,howie,how about wishing for the girl's safe return mate and none of this lizard bullshit....you must realize how silly you sound,you must!!.

Hardly excruciatingly insulting remarks are they?
Can't see any personal insults there
Totally within forum guidelines I'd say.
....not only that,i didnt fucking swear once.

[pedsi]

jinjo5 how come you can get your head around staged terror attacks like the one in glasgow but for some reason you seem unable to accept that this case me allso be a staged event by the powers that be..

any chance???????

[sean~infinte]

wow people with conflicting views eh never would of guessed it

its called expressing our unique opinions now we can all continue scoring points or we can have some maturity

truth is we can all speculate

i know the truth will come out watever it may be and i send my love to all who are inocent and unknowing of what lies beyond this vibration

man we 'humans' need to start buckin up

[phoebe]

What about all the proper missing children that are missing at this time? I wonder how many other 4 year olds are missing right now. It's all a distraction can't you see? It's just a circus that will be used to pass laws against us. The whole thing is a scam. What about all the kids that are killed each day in war zones? One kid from this country goes missing and the whole country is praying for her safe return when all over the world worse things are happening to children. Children we say we care about them but they are the ones we hurt the most.

EXTRA! EXTRA!!!! READ ALL ABOUT IT! THE MADELINE LIE DEBUNKED! http://ben-fairhall.blogspot.com/

Maddy's not proper because she has publicity for her case?
Yeah there's plenty of other missing children
Each and every one just as, but not more, important than Maddy.
You don't know it's a scam.
Your conspiracy addled mind believes it to be so.
What if it's not?
What if she's alive somewhere?
Or dead somewhere?

[phoebe]

Are you in the Moderator apprenticeship program now? :)

Not at all.
But I can decipher passion from insult.
Hopefully the mods on this site can too.

[tinmenace]

Not at all.
But I can decipher passion from insult.
Hopefully the mods on this site can too.

Oh ok :)

[graflok]

Not at all.
But I can decipher passion from insult.
Hopefully the mods on this site can too.

So, your comment about an "conspiracy-addled mind" is passion rather than an insult?

Does that mean someone could call you a demented little whore and it would be OK
because it's only passion? (not that I would do that, of course)

[jinjo5]

Are you in the Moderator apprenticeship program now? :)
I was waiting for you to comment tin,you finally bit.
only joking....but i didnt say anything wrong,it was just a strong opinion.
arent they allowed on here?.:)

[tinmenace]

I was waiting for you to comment tin,you finally bit.
only joking....but i didnt say anything wrong,it was just a strong opinion.
arent they allowed on here?.:)

To my knowledge they are.

I don't recall what your opinion was, must have missed it. What was it?

[jinjo5]

So, your comment about an "conspiracy-addled mind" is passion rather than an insult?

Does that mean someone could call you a demented little whore and it would be OK
because it's only passion? (not that I would do that, of course)
....'conspiracy-addled mind'...now you speak english 'flok.
did i actually make a direct insult to howie?

[graflok]

....'conspiracy-addled mind'...now you speak english 'flok.
did i actually make a direct insult to howie?

who's flok? What are you talking about? Write in English, please, or get someone to help you.

You know the post you made.

[jinjo5]

To my knowledge they are.

I don't recall what your opinion was, must have missed it. What was it?
nice one tin,thats quite clever of you.10/10.
;):D

[notaslave]

what this one?

yes,but there must have been times when your mam or dad had to nip to the shops to get a bit of shopping and leave you for 2 or 3 minutes....thats all it takes.

[jinjo5]

who's flok? What are you talking about?
...OK,back to immaturity then.........if you noticed,i did this 'flok,an apostrophe before F,it makes it look friendly,matey,forum buddy.dont you think?
I will let you know when i think youve scored a point over me,OK?
Now,shall we get back to maturity or carry on?...up to you.;)

[pedsi]

jinjo5 how come you can get your head around staged terror attacks like the one in glasgow but for some reason you seem unable to accept that this case me allso be a staged event by the powers that be..

and again:confused:

[jinjo5]

what this one?
You smug get slave,you know full well what that means,who do you think you are?

[graflok]

...OK,back to immaturity then.........if you noticed,i did this 'flok,an apostrophe before F,it makes it look friendly,matey,forum buddy.dont you think?

No.


I will let you know when i think youve scored a point over me,OK?

No.


Now,shall we get back to maturity or carry on?...up to you.;)

This all started when you made an incredibly insulting post directed toward a
newish forum member which I objected to. So, if what you mean by "get
back to maturity" means your writing more incredibly insulting posts, no.

[graflok]

what this one?

No, it was much worse than that.

[notaslave]

You smug get slave,you know full well what that means,who do you think you are?

It wasnt originally directed at me but I did think it insulting, but my parents didn't leave kids under 4 at home on their own, so maybe I was spoiled rather.

[phoebe]

It appears one of the mods has now wisely removed jinjo5's insulting post. :)

The 'insulting' post is still there.
Along with all yours and Tin's.

[jinjo5]

and again:confused:
....i,never,ever said it wasnt.read some of my posts pedsi.
i think its all a bit dogy.
the thing that really annoys me is that all the satanic stuff and folk putting up pointless fotos to try and prove this,no matter how tenuous the "evidence".
saying things like the macann's arent upset enough,maddy has got summat wrong with her eye....obvious lizard....etc.

[graflok]

By golly, you're right. It's still there. My mistake.

[tinmenace]

Plea deal offered! Breaking news!

[jinjo5]

No.



No.



This all started when you made an incredibly insulting post directed toward a
newish forum member which I objected to and which has now been removed.
So, if what you mean by "get back to maturity" means your writing more
incredibly insulting posts, no.
I dont wanna...my english is shocking......insult anyone,it seems now im being barracked for voicing a strong opinion.
ok then,everyone is a lizard,now im indoctrinated.im a fully fledged member of the site.

[graflok]

it seems now im being barracked for voicing a strong opinion.


No. See, that's the part you don't seem to understand. Opinions are fine, uncalled-for insults are not. Understand?

[graflok]

Plea deal offered! Breaking news!

Where is it?

[jinjo5]

No. See, that's the part you don't seem to understand. Opinions are fine, uncalled-for insults are not. Understand?
what insult?
i said his comment was pathetic,not him.

[tinmenace]

Just heard it on the news, caught the tail end....that if Kate admits to accidentally killing Madeleine, that she would get two years....

:eek:


Maybe I heard wrong?

[graflok]

what insult?
i said his comment was pathetic,not him.

I think the real problem here has to do with comprehension.

Or, lack of it. ;)

[ness1982]

Just heard it on the news, caught the tail end....that if Kate admits to accidentally killing Madeleine, that she would get two years....

:eek:


Maybe I heard wrong?

OMG!!!! I can't believe that! A slap on the wrist for Kate then. That is sick!!!!:mad:

While I'm on the subject, what is accidental murder? :confused: As far as I was aware there's no such thing!:mad:

[graflok]

Just heard it on the news, caught the tail end....that if Kate admits to accidentally killing Madeleine, that she would get two years....

:eek:


Maybe I heard wrong?

I found this:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1283158,00.html

[jinjo5]

I think the real problem here has to do with comprehension.

Or, lack of it. ;)
ok gra',note apostrophe,lets leave it there.half of one point to you.;)
Im just just a little shocked at what tin' as just said about kate mcann.
that cant be true,can it?
thanks for the ride mate.
i claim back the half-point.

[graflok]

ok gra',note apostrophe,lets leave it there.half of one point to you.;)
Im just just a little shocked at what tin' as just said about kate mcann.
that cant be true,can it?

I'll tell you what -- you can call me "gra" if I can call you "turd."

[phoebe]

OMG!!!! I can't believe that! A slap on the wrist for Kate then. That is sick!!!!:mad:

Hardly...
If she did accidentally kill Madeleine
I would imagine the guilt and anguish of that
Will live with her, haunting her till her last breath.
She will have to go into hiding for the rest of her life
For her own safety.
Any prison sentence is a piece of cake compared to that.

[howie]

Channel 4 news said Kate could be released without charge if she admits to accidently killing her, the public would understand & have sympathy for her they said....

[phoebe]

Channel 4 news said Kate could be released without charge if she admits to accidently killing her, the public would understand & have sympathy for her they said....

I'd like to know how you 'accidentally' kill a 4 year old child.

[ness1982]

Hardly...
If she did accidentally kill Madeleine
I would imagine the guilt and anguish of that
Will live with her, haunting her till her last breath.
She will have to go into hiding for the rest of her life
For her own safety.
Any prison sentence is a piece of cake compared to that.


I see what you are saying, but I don't personally believe it was an accident. if it was an accident why didn't she call an ambulance or the police??

[jinjo5]

I'll tell you what -- you can call me "gra" if I can call you "turd."
..lol...10/10 for you too...........you mean BAS.turd,quite like that flokky....please note my friendly demeanour.
im quite enjoying this immaturity,ahh!..the memories.;):D

[graflok]

:rolleyes:

[jinjo5]

:rolleyes:
...again,top marks....you put the sarcy icon on so i cant really reply,master move,but sussed.;)
Anyway,we should be concentrating on the breaking news,if its correct.

[tinmenace]

Yeah, accidentally killing her would be like losing your temper and hitting her too hard or something. I think that's what they're referring to. What gets me is that if that IS what happened, how could she and her husband go and enjoy dinner with friends afterwards?

The people they had dinner with said that Kate said something like "...well Madeleine is gone now..." Then after dinner, reported her missing. :confused:

What exactly does this mean?

I don't know about anyone else, but I would be out of my mind! IF this is what happened, then Kate is a very cold bitch indeed, and her husband a complete asshole.

[jinjo5]

Yeah, accidentally killing her would be like losing your temper and hitting her too hard or something. I think that's what they're referring to. What gets me is that if that IS what happened, how could she and her husband go and enjoy dinner with friends afterwards?

The people they had dinner with said that Kate said something like "...well Madeleine is gone now..." Then after dinner, reported her missing. :confused:

What exactly does this mean?

I don't know about anyone else, but I would be out of my mind! IF this is what happened, then Kate is a very cold bitch indeed, and her husband a complete asshole.
If thats the case then tin,then they both deserve what they get.
its quite a shocker,i must admit,despite the strange behavoiur,i didnt think they were involved,if indeed,that is the case.
If it is the case,can we let the satanic nonsense drop now?.

[graflok]

If it is the case,can we let the satanic nonsense drop now?.

No, we can't let the satanic nonsense drop now. Nice try though. ;)

[phoebe]

I see what you are saying, but I don't personally believe it was an accident. if it was an accident why didn't she call an ambulance or the police??

As I said:

I'd like to know how you 'accidentally' kill a 4 year old child.

[howie]

AP 1 hour ago

Author Madeleine L'Engle Dies at 88

By CARA RUBINSKY – 1 hour ago

HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — Author Madeleine L'Engle, whose novel "A Wrinkle in Time" has been enjoyed by generations of schoolchildren and adults since the 1960s, has died, her publicist said Friday. She was 88.

L'Engle died Thursday at a nursing home in Litchfield of natural causes, according to Jennifer Doerr, publicity manager for publisher Farrar, Straus and Giroux.

The Newbery Medal winner wrote more than 60 books, including fantasies, poetry and memoirs, often highlighting spiritual themes and her Christian faith.

Her works reflect her strong interest in modern science; mitochondrial DNA, for instance, is featured prominently in A Wind in the Door

Mutations of mitochondrial DNA can lead to a number of illnesses including exercise intolerance and Kearns-Sayre syndrome (KSS), which causes a person to lose full function of their heart, eye, and muscle movements

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[graflok]

Yeah, accidentally killing her would be like losing your temper and hitting her too hard or something. I think that's what they're referring to. What gets me is that if that IS what happened, how could she and her husband go and enjoy dinner with friends afterwards?

The people they had dinner with said that Kate said something like "...well Madeleine is gone now..." Then after dinner, reported her missing. :confused:

What exactly does this mean?

I don't know about anyone else, but I would be out of my mind! IF this is what happened, then Kate is a very cold bitch indeed, and her husband a complete asshole.

Sounds very similar to the JonBenét Ramsey case.

They treat these monarch kids brutally and they do sometimes die "unintentionally" according to former insiders.

[ness1982]

I must have been mid post when you posted that phoebe. Sorry hun :)

[jinjo5]

No, we can't let the satanic nonsense drop now. Nice try though. ;)
so you dont really care if maddy's dead?
youd rather have a dig at me.
go away now graffy,you are probably still in your teens.
didnt really understand your post,but cos of your tender years,i'll let it pass.
think of maddy mate,have a heart.
see ya later,if you wanna carry on.see you some other day.bye.

[howie]

Another book written by Madeleine L'Engle who died today was called The Arm of the Starfish about a biology student & a doctor who go to Portugal on a summer trip where they meet a young girl who gets kidnapped.

[phoebe]

AP 1 hour ago

Author Madeleine L'Engle Dies at 88

By CARA RUBINSKY – 1 hour ago

HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — Author Madeleine L'Engle, whose novel "A Wrinkle in Time" has been enjoyed by generations of schoolchildren and adults since the 1960s, has died, her publicist said Friday. She was 88.

L'Engle died Thursday at a nursing home in Litchfield of natural causes, according to Jennifer Doerr, publicity manager for publisher Farrar, Straus and Giroux.

The Newbery Medal winner wrote more than 60 books, including fantasies, poetry and memoirs, often highlighting spiritual themes and her Christian faith.





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I noticed the link to this when I searched for Maddy news earlier.
Very interesting...

[phoebe]

Another book written by Madeleine L'Engle who died today was called The Arm of the Starfish about a biology student & a doctor who go to Portugal on a summer trip where they meet a young girl who gets kidnapped.

Synchronicities ahoy!

[jetta]

Yeah, accidentally killing her would be like losing your temper and hitting her too hard or something. I think that's what they're referring to. What gets me is that if that IS what happened, how could she and her husband go and enjoy dinner with friends afterwards?

The people they had dinner with said that Kate said something like "...well Madeleine is gone now..." Then after dinner, reported her missing. :confused:

What exactly does this mean?

I don't know about anyone else, but I would be out of my mind! IF this is what happened, then Kate is a very cold bitch indeed, and her husband a complete asshole.


I don't think that's exactly what happened.......I think when Kate Mcann went back there once to check on them, either Madeleine had already had some kind of accident, or that's when the "accident" occured; like you say, it could be that she lost her temper, realised that she'd killed her and then panicked. But the police are saying that blood was found in the car the Mcanns hired 25 days after she'd gone missing, so what happened during those 25 days?

[jinjo5]

Another book written by Madeleine L'Engle who died today was called The Arm of the Starfish about a biology student & a doctor who go to Portugal on a summer trip where they meet a young girl who gets kidnapped.
Now,are you just forwarding that to say it was pre-ordained?
dont know when the book was written,how many girls are called madeleine in england,must be loads.
It maybe not be your personal opinon howie,but people are to willing to attach to any apparent "coincidences" to "support" their case.
Im finding hard to believe that every single thing happens for a reason,doesnt seem 'logical'.

[tinmenace]

...so what happened during those 25 days?

VERY good question!

[notaslave]

I am sure our very own Hercule Poirot will get to the bottom of it. (aka Olegario Sousa (http://sic.sapo.pt/NR/rdonlyres/3B51B629-B40D-4B34-BB77-6E852D568553/217116/b229da1f451e4a8788e017a261873b3c.jpg))

[john white]

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Yog Sothoth

[infinitely free]

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Yog Sothoth

Oh, there's a reptilian eye, in there :confused: :D!

[jinjo5]

Oh, there's a reptilian eye, in there :confused: :D!
Oh dear,you shouldnt have said that,here come the reppie fans.:D;)

[john white]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_L'Engle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Wind_in_the_Door

Plot summary
Meg Murry is worried about her brother Charles Wallace, a 6-year-old genius and telepath who is shunned and bullied by the other children. The new principal of the elementary school is the former high school principal, Mr. Jenkins, who often disciplined Meg, and who Meg is sure has a grudge against her whole family. Meg tries to enlist Jenkins' help in protecting her brother, but is unsuccessful. On top of this, Meg discovers that Charles Wallace has a progressive disease which is leaving him short of breath. Their mother, a microbiologist, suspects it may have something to do with his mitochondria and the (fictional) "farandolae" which live within them.

One afternoon, Charles Wallace tells Meg he saw a "drive of dragons" in the field near the house. Meg goes out with him to investigate, but all they find is a pile of very odd feathers. Later, Meg has a frightening encounter with something that looks like Mr. Jenkins. Meg, Charles Wallace and Calvin O'Keefe discover that Charles Wallace's drive of dragons is a single creature named Proginoskes. Progo, as he is quickly nicknamed, insists on being called "a cherubim" instead of a cherub because he is "nearly plural," having a multitude of wings and eyes. The children also encounter a tall robed being named Blajeny, who informs them that he is a Teacher, and that they and Proginoskes have all been called to his class.

Meg learns that the galaxy is threatened by beings called Echthroi, which seek to erase the entire universe by un-Naming things. She soon has to save Mr. Jenkins from this fate, by Naming him. Part of the task is to distinguish the real Mr. Jenkins from two Echthroi doubles, but it also means that she must look past her personal grudge, find the goodness in Mr. Jenkins, and let herself love him.

The characters then learn that Echthroi are destroying Charles Wallace's farandolae. They travel inside one of his mitochondria, which is named Yadah, and turn the tide by convincing a larval farandola to take root and accept its role as a mature fara, against the urgings of an Echthros. In the process, Meg is nearly "Xed," and Mr. Jenkins is invaded by his Echthros doubles. Proginoskes sacrifices himself to "fill in" the emptiness of the Echthroi, and Charles Wallace's life is saved.



Echthros.... cthulu... lovecraft themes adapted for childrens stories by a "christian" writer... nice!

[graflok]

so you dont really care if maddy's dead?
youd rather have a dig at me.
go away now graffy,you are probably still in your teens.
didnt really understand your post,but cos of your tender years,i'll let it pass.
think of maddy mate,have a heart.
see ya later,if you wanna carry on.see you some other day.bye.

:confused: Have you bumped your head recently?

[sunyatta60]

Now,are you just forwarding that to say it was pre-ordained?
dont know when the book was written,how many girls are called madeleine in england,must be loads.
It maybe not be your personal opinon howie,but people are to willing to attach to any apparent "coincidences" to "support" their case.
Im finding hard to believe that every single thing happens for a reason,doesnt seem 'logical'.

There are plenty of cases on record where Life Mirrors art, one of the most famous was the story written by Alan Edgar Poe in which a Ship went down and several crew members and a cabin boy escaped in a life raft, they ended up eating the boy. About 10 years after Poe Published his story an Incident like that happened and the name of Poe's Ship and Characters matched those of the true life event.

[jinjo5]

:confused: Have you bumped your head recently?
no,but i live near a mobile phone mast,do you think that could be it?:rolleyes:

[julieray]

There are plenty of cases on record where Life Mirrors art, one of the most famous was the story written by Alan Edgar Poe in which a Ship went down and several crew members and a cabin boy escaped in a life raft, they ended up eating the boy. About 10 years after Poe Published his story an Incident like that happened and the name of Poe's Ship and Characters matched those of the true life event.

Yes and in that true life event, after eating the boy, they were rescued a few days later!!!

I am still of the group that are optimistic that Maddy is still alive here and will continue to do so as there is no evidence that she is dead and all what we have heard on the news, could be yet another smoke screen. I am very sceptical what I hear on the TV now, especially with this case.

I think the parents do know something, but for whatever reason can't or won't say anything out of fear perhaps or blackmail?? I do think that there are political reasons behind all this and that it was planned from the start, it is certainly not just your average abduction.

I think it is about time that those who hold her should return her - how much longer can this go on?? We have had Judge on the news saying that all DNA should be provided on the database, EU Paedo Register, Child tracking, microchipping has been suggested - the government have been putting out the feelers on many, many ways to yet again, take away our civil liberties and human rights to give them more power and us, less power, but trying to convince us that it is for our benefit - it is all nonsence. The only ones who will win here are the ones who arranged all this drama at the onset. And that is exactly what it is a Drama - can we all start clapping yet!!:D;)

[phoebe]

Won't police need a body to prove murder/manslaughter?
Can you be accused of murder/manslaughter when
There's no body?

[hilary upstart]

Madeline McCann was a Kennedy. Her great uncle is a guy called Brian Kennedy - makes you wonder

[limelady]

Won't police need a body to prove murder/manslaughter?
Can you be accused of murder/manslaughter when
There's no body?

I was of the understanding that without a body as evidence,
an eye-witnesses to the crime were required in order to push
through a guilty charge of murder or manslaughter?

I don't believe they have either of these things in this case,
so perhaps they're pressing ahead in the hope that something
will either turn up (conclusive DNA evidence ?) or they'll get
a confession from one or other of the parents. :confused:

This certainly is a very weird case.

[john white]

I was of the understanding that without a body as evidence,
an eye-witnesses to the crime were required in order to push
through a guilty charge of murder or manslaughter?

I don't believe they have either of these things in this case,
so perhaps they're pressing ahead in the hope that something
will either turn up (conclusive DNA evidence ?) or they'll get
a confession from one or other of the parents. :confused:

This certainly is a very weird case.

There have been innumerable murder convictions based only on circumstantial evidence, without a need for an eye witness or even a body: at times the simple abscence of a person has been sufficient. it all depends on how much emotional energy is attached to the psychological need to find someone responsible. No, justice doesnt work like the myth of justice we are indoctrinated with!

Example:

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0008-1221(196012)48%3A5%3C849%3ACLMPOC%3E2.0.CO%3B2-%23

Lets remember: the purpose of law is not justice, but control

[graflok]

what john white said :)

[limelady]

Yikes.....You're right guys. No body, no witnesses and
bugger all of anything else in the way of evidence needed
to get a guilty of murder verdict.. :eek:

Wonder how many innocent people are in jail right now :rolleyes:

[tinmenace]

You have to wonder how Madeleine's blood got into a car rented by her parents 25 days after her disappearance...:confused:

[john white]

Yikes.....You're right guys. No body, no witnesses and
bugger all of anything else in the way of evidence needed
to get a guilty of murder verdict.. :eek:

Wonder how many innocent people are in jail right now :rolleyes:

LOTS!

[illuminotti]

Won't police need a body to prove murder/manslaughter?
Can you be accused of murder/manslaughter when
There's no body?

They didn't have abody for the young joanna, but they still charged the mother with her murder, she's currently serving her sentence, the portugese have done it once, maybe they'll do it again, wonder if they'll beat a confession out of kate like joannas mother said they did to her, so happens the officer in charge of maddie's case is the same one as joannas

[limelady]

You have to wonder how Madeleine's blood got into a car rented by her parents 25 days after her disappearance...:confused:


Maybe the parents stashed the body initially, then went back
later to retrieve it to stash somewhere else? :confused:

Or maybe its a Police evidence 'jack-up' because they HAD no
evidence and needed something to get the show-on-the-road
under pressure to get a conviction?

[qasrose]

what if it could be a framed job??? make it look like there parents killed her??

[tinmenace]

Anything is possible.

One has to wonder where they would have got Madeleine's blood from if they were trying to set the parents up? Where would they have had access to Madeleine to get her blood?


Just a tragedy for that child... :(