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drhemp
03-12-2009, 01:08 AM
Spice flow: the new street drug pharmacology:

Science International recently published an eye-opening study on a new generation of synthetic cannabinoids that have become popular as 'legal highs', provided by a highly organised neuroscience-savvy industry that is ready and waiting with new compounds before the law changes.

The study concerns several legal smoking mixtures, 'Spice' being the most well-known (pictured), which were recently found to contain synthetic cannabinoids.

Cannabinoids are named for their abundance in the cannabis plant, but this class of substance also naturally occurs in the nervous system as part of the normal biological signalling system. In fact, the street drug cannabis has its effect because its various cannabinoids, the most famous being THC, target one or more of the brain's cannabinoid receptors.

Marijuana and its derivatives are illegal in most countries but the brain's cannabinoid system is complex and so it is possible to synthesise other types of drugs in the same class as the plant's active ingredients, which target the same receptor sites, that have similar effects, but which are completely legal.

Although officially labelled as incense and not for human consumption, Spice was typically marketed as one of the many 'herbal smoking mixtures' which traditionally have been sold in head shops on the basis of their druggy associations despite having no psychoactive effects to speak of.

However, this brand became wildly popular and in 2008 scientific analysis found that it also contained the synthetic cannabinoids CP 47,497-C8 and JWH-018 which are structurally similar to THC.

I can't imagine what it was like when this was first discovered. It reminds me of the hair bristling moment in movies when the scientists discover that some form of ultra-advanced technology is behind a spate of odd occurrences.

You see, drugs like speed, heroine, cocaine and ecstasy require legally controlled raw materials but the processing stage is low-tech. That's why some types of speed are called 'bathtub crank', because some of it is literally synthesised in a bathtub, as images of meth lab busts illustrate.

But this is not the case with cannabinoids which require a complex and careful lab process with many stages and sometimes the separation of mirror image molecules (enantiomers) from each other as only one of the 'reflections' is desirable.

These are not trivial process. They can't be done in back rooms and they can't be done by amateurs.

What's more, these aren't just copy-cat syntheses done by your average underground lab who know the illicit process and just want to recreate it. These are new compounds, perhaps reported only a handful of times in the scientific literature and selected for their specific effect on the brain.

The authors of the Forensic Science International paper note "It is evident that the producers of these products have gone about in a very methodical manner to mine the scientific literature for promising psychoactive compounds. Most likely the published CB1 binding affinities were exploited as primary criterion."

CB1 is a specific type of cannabinoid receptor and is the one most activated by THC, the principal active ingredient in marijuana, and it seems the producers were making their selections based on their knowledge of neuroscience and psychopharmacology.

Several countries have now banned, or are in the process of banning, the synthetic cannabinoids found in Spice and related products. In fact, Germany was particularly quick off the mark and outlawed the products in January 2009.

Now this is where it gets interesting because the researchers note that a new product appeared on the market, containing JWH-073 - another synthetic cannabinoid, within four weeks of the ban. JWH-073 has similar similar effects, but isn't covered by the law and so remains legal.

The speed at which it appeared suggests that it had been selected and synthesised in advance, in anticipation of the ban:

Our analysis demonstrated that just 4 weeks after the prohibition took effect a multitude of second generation products were flooding the market. The speed of introduction of new products and the use of JWH-073 as a substitute for JWH-018 not only showed that the producers are well aware of the legal frameworks, but that they likely anticipated the prohibition and already had an array of replacement products on hand (JWH-073-positive products are still available on the German market; last checked: June 5th, 2009).

In other words, the legal high industry is packing neuroscientists and heavyweight lab pharmacologists. It is no longer just head-shop hippies repackaging obscure psychoactive and barely recreational plants as a poor substitute for street drugs. The legal high industry has become professionalised.

Seemingly based on the model of the pharmaceutical industry, it is becoming science-led, regulation savvy and is out-manoeuvring the authorities well before they catch up.

To use drug war terminology, it's an interesting new front because the producers are not trying to evade capture, they're using the agility of science of evade regulation.

December 01, 2009
http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2009/12/spice_flow_the_new_.html

mizz420
03-12-2009, 09:46 AM
I have a lot of experience in this field.
I work in a head shop that sold spice and all sorts of other legal highs.
Spice has been banned but just repackaged as warrior. when it gets banned again im sure they'll repackage it. There are literally hundreds of different brands of smoking mixtures all mimicking spice now. Ive never been keen on the taste of them though so Ive never bothered.
Also the legal high pills are incredible nowadays.
They basically take a compound, for example ecstacy and add an oxygen molecule so it is no longer the banned compound make it into a pill and package it as a plant feeder (not for human consumption).
Now we have legal coke and all sorts. Aswell as all the old school salvia and Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds.
Ive touched on them all but i try not to have them and prefer to just smoke my green :) because i just don't like not knowing what could happen in the long term. These things are brand new and we have no idea how they are effecting our bodies.

Also a ban is coming into effect at the end of December (21st i think) which means no more smoking mixtures of any kinds that mimick cannabinoids, so basically the fun is over for the policemen and firemen who like to get high and not have it picked up on their piss tests.
however the pills and legal ''bath salts'' are still around.

oneup
03-12-2009, 09:54 AM
Why don't they just legalize the real stuff, I guess it's much safer than these synthetic cannabinoids.

lookfar
03-12-2009, 10:00 AM
I personally feel that some of this stuff does deserve to be banned as it's just as strong as the real thing (with only a tiny percentage of the chemical changed to escape the law).

I've tried Spice before a couple of times & didn't enjoy it. It tasted awful, smelt like fish & totally monged you out - not a nice experience imo & fuck knows what's in the stuff:eek:

The symbolism on the packaging should be enough to tell us who this is manufactured by - hidden in plain sight!:rolleyes: It's big pharma disguised as "hippy head shop" stuff & the fact that young children think it's safe cos it's "legal" is appaling imo. It's big business and is being widely used all over the place. I certainly wouldn't want my kid taking this stuff that's for sure!:eek:

mizz420
03-12-2009, 10:01 AM
youve made me feel like a drug peddler now
i was just following orders.
hahahahahah :p

no but seriously.
were heavy on id :)

tbch, from my experience, kids dont seem to bother with them, mainly because of the age restriction thing, which makes it easier for them to go and buy street drugs than it is in a head shop, dealers don't ask for i.d.
It seems to mainly uni students who come in and buy one offs but the regulars are people who want to get high but wont buy illegal drugs to do so because its against the law and somehow feel like that is the worst thing in the world you could ever do.
but they'll buy something that does the same thing but its legal although potentially far more harmful.
Also the stuffs not put out by big pharma, the main supplier is just a bloke who messed about with some basic chemistry, hes a supplier of ours. He then hired a team of independent scientists to make mad legal highs for him.

bluegrazz
03-12-2009, 10:03 AM
I have a lot of experience in this field.
I work in a head shop that sold spice and all sorts of other legal highs.
Spice has been banned but just repackaged as warrior. when it gets banned again im sure they'll repackage it. There are literally hundreds of different brands of smoking mixtures all mimicking spice now. Ive never been keen on the taste of them though so Ive never bothered.
Also the legal high pills are incredible nowadays.
They basically take a compound, for example ecstacy and add an oxygen molecule so it is no longer the banned compound make it into a pill and package it as a plant feeder (not for human consumption).
Now we have legal coke and all sorts. Aswell as all the old school salvia and Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds.
Ive touched on them all but i try not to have them and prefer to just smoke my green :) because i just don't like not knowing what could happen in the long term. These things are brand new and we have no idea how they are effecting our bodies.

Also a ban is coming into effect at the end of December (21st i think) which means no more smoking mixtures of any kinds that mimick cannabinoids, so basically the fun is over for the policemen and firemen who like to get high and not have it picked up on their piss tests.
however the pills and legal ''bath salts'' are still around.

So this stuff ACTUALLY works? I bought some shit from a head shop once that looked and smelled like killer purple haired bud- I mean crystalls were just dripping from the stuff and it looked like High Times Centerfold shit. (was pricey as well)... Got home, fired up a bowl and BLAH. First it tasted like shit (not like it smelled) second it didnt get you high and third I had to throw the bowl away because it left nasty resin that made anything I smoked taste like maggot vomit.

I had figured if I could find a good and legal cannabis substitute it would make just make life so much better =P

So, experts- Tell me what works and is worth the buck- I will try it if its actually going to work.

lookfar
03-12-2009, 10:04 AM
youve made me feel like a drug peddler now
i was just following orders.
hahahahahah :p

no but seriously.
were heavy on id :)

Lol, sorry but if the cap fits!!:p Just kidding:)

Glad you're heavy on the ID, but I do class this stuff in the same category as big pharma drugs (& I'm sure they're manufactured by them) & just disguised to be something else. They want the kiddies dumbed down & monged out doing nothing. Natural is always the best imo;)

mizz420
03-12-2009, 10:11 AM
So this stuff ACTUALLY works? I bought some shit from a head shop once that looked and smelled like killer purple haired bud- I mean crystalls were just dripping from the stuff and it looked like High Times Centerfold shit. (was pricey as well)... Got home, fired up a bowl and BLAH. First it tasted like shit (not like it smelled) second it didnt get you high and third I had to throw the bowl away because it left nasty resin that made anything I smoked taste like maggot vomit.

I had figured if I could find a good and legal cannabis substitute it would make just make life so much better =P

So, experts- Tell me what works and is worth the buck- I will try it if its actually going to work.

I think i know what stuff your on about, ive seen it advertised on the net.
look like real amazing bud but is just some absolute bullshit.
The stuff that works here (spice) or whatever you want to call it now is more like a powdery grassy substance and as far as i know it does work because people spend stupid amounts of money on it and i tried it once and felt monged for hours. Wasn't particularly interesting though.
Stick with the real thing.

bluegrazz
03-12-2009, 10:24 AM
I think i know what stuff your on about, ive seen it advertised on the net.
look like real amazing bud but is just some absolute bullshit.
The stuff that works here (spice) or whatever you want to call it now is more like a powdery grassy substance and as far as i know it does work because people spend stupid amounts of money on it and i tried it once and felt monged for hours. Wasn't particularly interesting though.
Stick with the real thing.

Right- Isnt it funny how the "legal" stuff is always more expensive. =P

mizz420
03-12-2009, 10:54 AM
It is more expensive,
3g £25

or even the highest strength
3g £35

bluegrazz
03-12-2009, 11:06 AM
It is more expensive,
3g £25

or even the highest strength
3g £35

WOW- For that price it better..... Never mind :).

disorder2k8
03-12-2009, 11:10 AM
I dont like the smoking mixes they dont work as well as you think, although dove pills are pretty cool and so were head candy back when they were available.

mizz420
03-12-2009, 07:38 PM
Legal ''bath salts'' available now make you feel like you've mainlined a gram of speed for 15 hours.