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logos880

02-12-2009, 04:12 PM

I thought it would be a good idea to start a thread pointing out some of the pagan/illuminati religious symbolism that is around us. I'm from America, so most of the symbolism that I'll be posting is going to be local, but don't let that limit anyone!

I am constantly seeing stories about removing Christian/Abrahamic symbols from gov't institutions yet the pagan gods/goddesses and religious symbols seem to be totally accepted; why the double standard? :mad:

So post your own findings and debate what is posted, hopefully we can teach each other something!

logos880

02-12-2009, 04:13 PM

I'll start with the congressional medals of honor and the statue of liberty:

Lady liberty has a pointed crown instead of a helmet. And she does stand for liberty although she is derived from the imagery of Semiramis, wife of Nimrod, and Queen of Babylon. Semiramis was famed for her beauty, strength, and wisdom and was said to have built the famous Hanging Gardens of Babylon. She purportedly reigned for 42 years after taking control from Nimrod. She is a mythical figure who might be somewhat based upon a historical figure.

http://cmohs.org/medal-symbolism.php

http://www.airforcetimes.com/xml/news/2009/03/military_medal_of_honor_032509w/090324tns_moh_trio_800.JPG

All of the MOH's are inverted pentagrams which is the sigil of baphomet.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Baphosimb.gif

Semiramis was the wife of Nimrod (architect of the Tower of Babel) and supposed originator of the Mystery Babylon religious schools and fertility cult.

". . . I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of
blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. . . And upon her forehead
was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE
MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH"
(Rev.17:3-5).

http://yahushua.net/babylon/liberty/pagan_statue.htm

That's a good description and explanation behind the statue of liberty or lady of the liberties. Long story short, Semiramis is mythologized as the first female to be deified by her people. The worship of Semiramis has since spread world wide to many cultures and she is known by many names: Isis, Feronia, Diana, Ashtoreth, Madonna, etc. She is the basis for the pagan concept of the sacred feminine.

loopy2222

02-12-2009, 04:42 PM

Can I point out to everyone that just because this thread is entitled Pagan/illuminati symbolism it does not mean that Pagans are in any way associated with the Illuminati.

Thanks for letting a Pagan get that off her chest :D

logos880

02-12-2009, 05:07 PM

bobbydiva

02-12-2009, 05:41 PM

nioz

02-12-2009, 05:59 PM

The symbolism is currently everywhere in the EU, America, England, Russia etc.

logos880

02-12-2009, 06:41 PM

See I can still never get to the bottom of this. I can't determine whether the "Illuminati" have bastardized these symbols, paganism and the mystery religions, OR they worship them whole heartedly and they are inherently bad, or there really was a Jesus and they are covering it up. There's never a clear answer is there. *sigh*

I've been trying to get to the bottom of it for months.

Researchers like Maxwell and Tsarion seem to put merit in the symbols and mysteries and claim modern religion is based off of these but coded to control the masses.

Christian researchers claim the elite a devil worshippers and are trying to bring down religion. There's no doubt the symbols are used.

I would say that the bottom line of this issue is a matter of perspective and belief. There is a group of folks that idolize these gods/goddesses (positive spin) and there is a group of folks that don't believe in idolatry (negative spin). I have no doubt that there is power in these symbols that dates back to ancient times (belief).

I also believe that the purpose of the symbols and the people that are using them can give us a clue as to their spiritual significance and alignment. For instance, the Bible says that the serpent that tempted Eve with the forbidden fruit was wrong but many people look at the serpent as helping to 'enlighten' humanity. All depends on your perspective and where one's beliefs are rooted.

The symbolism is currently everywhere in the EU, America, England, Russia etc.

examples?

mark1963

02-12-2009, 07:55 PM

I've done some research and it appears that many of the symbols used are a sigil, which is magick intended to influence you a certain way.

Of course there are only so many symbols, but, it is the way they use them that has a talismanic effect to them, and by using sigils influence the way you think.

Of course you could just ignore their infantile behaviour and enjoy the circles, stars, etc. They are not theirs exclusively.

meksar

02-12-2009, 08:55 PM

logos880

02-12-2009, 10:59 PM

loopy2222

03-12-2009, 10:32 AM

Feel free to offer up some real evidence other than your word and opinion. :)

I AM the evidence :rolleyes: I am telling you that as a Pagan I am not in any way shape or form anything to do with the Illuminati.

I am sure there are probably groups who associate themselves with them but the majority do not. It is simply our religion and just because 'they' choose to use similar logos/sigils does not mean that we are a part of them.

Prove that we are! :)

mark1963

03-12-2009, 01:06 PM

Sigil, interesting concept. Where does the power behind the magick behind the sigil come from?

You need to research sigils, but, from what I have researched they directly interact with the matrix and do not use demons etc (if you believe that), so they are relatively benign but very effective.

I would say that it was intent used upon ZPE.

As far as interacting with the matrix, they allow a shortcut if you like to be able to influence perception and behaviour. This appears to be very similar to surrogate EFT that I have been using on my family members to cure them of the nasties in the swine flu vaccine that they have taken and subsequently become (in one case - very) ill.

agneau

03-12-2009, 01:11 PM

Just walk around any town centre and look at the major corporations logos, they are all masonic sigils used to command and influence people's subconciseness. Everytime you walk into KFC for example you are buying into the Ku Klux Klan's symbolism, notice the three white stripes on Colonel Sanders apron and the fact KFC was founded in the deep south.

What!!?? Three whites stripes and being founded in the deep south of America is symbollic of the KKK? You might need to expand on that one a little...

And what masonic symbols on which major corps, for instance?

meksar

03-12-2009, 01:42 PM

What!!?? Three whites stripes and being founded in the deep south of America is symbollic of the KKK? You might need to expand on that one a little...

And what masonic symbols on which major corps, for instance?

The KKK used to put their hands in their trouser pockets with three fingers remaining on display which was a masonic handsign for K-K-K. Starbucks for instance uses Isis and the three stars which connect into a pyramid, Walkers or Lays crips uses Sun symbolism, Coca Cola, Disney and even the National Lottery all have 666 encoded into them.McDonald's has a golden arch which sits on top a pyramid, Burger King uses Sun symbolism also. There is much more i cant remeber off the the top of my head but will do once it comes back to me.

tell me again

03-12-2009, 01:42 PM

http://static.px.yelp.com/bphoto/23SC6-73Ol5iNEDQDkxI7Q/l

My local video store. They have a funky eyeball logo. I don't think a company this small is connected, but thought I'd post to see if I'm doing the picture linking thing right. :D

There are lots of obelisks around this area. (Georgia, USA)

I want take a day and take some photos for the forum soon, because it is everywhere. Black and white tile floors, golden domes, statues of deities around government buildings....

I haven't even explored the new courthouse in my county yet...

agneau

03-12-2009, 02:17 PM

The KKK used to put their hands in their trouser pockets with three fingers remining on display which was a masonic handsign for K-K-K. Starbucks for instance uses Isis and the three stars which connect into a pyramid, Walkers or Lays crips uses Sun symbolism, Coca Cola, Disney and even the National Lottery all have 666 encoded into them.McDonald's has a golden arch which sits on top a pyramid, Burger King uses Sun symbolism also. There is much more i cant remeber off the the top of my head but will do once it comes back to me.

Firstly, there is no Masonic handsign or any other sign for the KKK.

Secondly, Starbucks looks to me like a mermaid; and can nobody use a star or a sun in their logo without it being a sign of your imagined illuminati conspiracy?

And as for getting the 666 out of Coke and Disney and whatever (I believe Pepsi and Cadburys logo's can also be manipulated to force this image)...well, it's just plain stupid. You can see almost anything you want to see with a bit of imagination. The contortions you have to do to the logos to get some vague representation of 666 could easily mean that the numbers are 699..or 966...or anything you like. Plus, these logos could be shown to contain any many other numbers.

Do you not think that perhaps you're being just a little bit paranoid, and that symbols are just symbols? Luckily the illuminatim didn't adopt the square or circle, or we'd all be fucked....oh, I forgot: the sqaure is a Masonic symbol isn't it, so don't put your drink down on a beer mat or they'll take your soul.

Utter tosh.

meksar

03-12-2009, 02:52 PM

Firstly, there is no Masonic handsign or any other sign for the KKK.

Secondly, Starbucks looks to me like a mermaid; and can nobody use a star or a sun in their logo without it being a sign of your imagined illuminati conspiracy?

And as for getting the 666 out of Coke and Disney and whatever (I believe Pepsi and Cadburys logo's can also be manipulated to force this image)...well, it's just plain stupid. You can see almost anything you want to see with a bit of imagination. The contortions you have to do to the logos to get some vague representation of 666 could easily mean that the numbers are 699..or 966...or anything you like. Plus, these logos could be shown to contain any many other numbers.

Do you not think that perhaps you're being just a little bit paranoid, and that symbols are just symbols? Luckily the illuminatim didn't adopt the square or circle, or we'd all be fucked....oh, I forgot: the sqaure is a Masonic symbol isn't it, so don't put your drink down on a beer mat or they'll take your soul.

Utter tosh.

Right because you say so.

logos880

03-12-2009, 03:11 PM

Secondly, Starbucks looks to me like a mermaid; and can nobody use a star or a sun in their logo without it being a sign of your imagined illuminati conspiracy?

http://brandautopsy.typepad.com/brandautopsy/images/sbux_logo_pre_1987_2.jpg

http://brandautopsy.typepad.com/brandautopsy/images/sbux_logo_8792.jpg

http://la.cacophony.org/paganstarbucks.gif

notice any similarities?

nioz

03-12-2009, 03:17 PM

http://brandautopsy.typepad.com/brandautopsy/images/sbux_logo_pre_1987_2.jpg

http://brandautopsy.typepad.com/brandautopsy/images/sbux_logo_8792.jpg

http://la.cacophony.org/paganstarbucks.gif

notice any similarities?

Very good one, the symbolism is everywhere, so much that people think its to far-fetched.

allure

03-12-2009, 03:41 PM

I do believe some people read too much into much symolism, but then some is undeniable, like many medical institutions:

http://www.rsm.ac.uk/images/rsm_logo_print.gif

http://www.infektionsfrei.de/servlet/PB/show/1233209/WHO.jpg

World Health Organisation

http://www.whpa.org/logo_WMA.jpg

World Medical Association

http://www.theinsider.org/reports/medical-symbols/

logos880

03-12-2009, 04:08 PM

I do believe some people read too much into much symolism, but then some is undeniable, like many medical institutions:

World Health Organisation

World Medical Association

That's no surprise, ever read the Hippocratic Oath?

I swear by Apollo, the healer, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath and agreement:

To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art.

I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.

But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.

I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.

All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.

If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot.

Hippocratic Oath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'd say there is a pagan connection there. The anti-abortion stance is also interesting in today's context.

tell me again

03-12-2009, 05:02 PM

[QUOTE=logos880;1058456470]That's no surprise, ever read the Hippocratic Oath?

I'd never read the Hippocratic Oath. What a delightful little sidebar. I love this forum so much!

logos880

03-12-2009, 05:10 PM

I AM the evidence :rolleyes: I am telling you that as a Pagan I am not in any way shape or form anything to do with the Illuminati.

I am sure there are probably groups who associate themselves with them but the majority do not. It is simply our religion and just because 'they' choose to use similar logos/sigils does not mean that we are a part of them.

Prove that we are! :)

As much as I would like to take your word in this debate I can't. I have a rule about putting faith in the words of a human...especially a human that I don't know.

I think in this case that "the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges." My intention with this thread was to expose the pagan symbols that are in use all around us by the powers that be which, up to this point, has not been submitted for debate by you. If you wanna debate that concept then bring it on! :D

With that in mind, if you were to argue and say that the pagan symbols present are not representative of the 'illuminati' then I would need to prove a connection since I made that claim. But, since the debate is about the association of pagans with the 'illuminati' or the lack thereof, which was asserted by you, the burden of proof is on you. And let's go ahead and say that opinion (yours or mine) does not count as evidence. So try again! :)

allure

03-12-2009, 05:52 PM

That's no surprise, ever read the Hippocratic Oath?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_oath

I'd say there is a pagan connection there. The anti-abortion stance is also interesting in today's context.

I hadn't until just a week or so ago. I posted a link to a little piece about it at the bottom of my last post.

logos880

03-12-2009, 06:58 PM

I hadn't until just a week or so ago. I posted a link to a little piece about it at the bottom of my last post.

That was a great piece, thanks! The book recommended at the bottom of the article looks promising:

Amazon.com: Freemasonry and the Ancient Gods (9781564591333): J. S. Ward: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/415AKZCR7SL.@@AMEPARAM@@415AKZCR7SL

This talk about doctors and masonry made me think of the Johnny Depp movie 'From Hell', you seen it? Kind of a long story, but basically it claims that the Jack the Ripper murders were done by local Freemasons as a cover up to protect the royalty...its all in this link here:

http://bessel.org/ripper.htm

The story for the movie adaptation was written by Alan Moore. Alan Moore is a practicing occultist:

http://www.arcanology.com/2005/11/05...ore-interview/

His house is just one of a long brick terrace; inside, it is blue and starry.
His bath is on a Hollywood scale: a friend who works in fibre-glass got on the
wrong side of the local heavies, and Moore settled his debt and took it out in
trade. This is the house of a working writer; cases of editions of his work
litter the office floor. It is also the home of a working magician, decorated
with ritual wands from the Golden Dawn, falcon masks and the haunting art of the
occultist Austin Osman Spare. This makes for an appropriately strange setting
for the recluse whom Iain Sinclair has described as "the last sane man in
England".

...that's a bit off topic but it kinda relates. :) All this stuff seems to be connected.

nicolaj

03-12-2009, 07:26 PM

http://www.stateandfed.com/E_Newsletter/images/2007/April/freedom_1.jpg

rhydra

03-12-2009, 08:34 PM

beldazar

03-12-2009, 08:50 PM

Very good one, the symbolism is everywhere, so much that people think its to far-fetched.

Exactly! Symbolism is the subject so many people are too quick to debunk but it's one of the most important as it's the language they use and how they have managed to cast their spell on us :rolleyes:

logos880

03-12-2009, 10:13 PM

A symbol is useless without intent to the person holding it. Even then it's not the actual symbol, it isn't really needed, just something to focus on. An upside down star? What is upside down? It is only folk tales and unsubstantiated rumours spread by people who want to discourage thinking outside a certain narrow interpretation of pseudo-religious fundamentalism which has stirred so much fear and irrationality regarding symbols.

The pentagram of baphomet is typically referred to as an inverted star. Symbols are more powerful than you give them credit for. In fact, I would say that the world would have a hard time operating with out symbols. Traffic signs, alphabets, etc. where would we be without them?

sym⋅bol
/ˈsɪmbəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [sim-buhl] Show IPA noun, verb, -boled, -bol⋅ing or (especially British) -bolled, -bol⋅ling.
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–noun
1. something used for or regarded as representing something else; a material object representing something, often something immaterial; emblem, token, or sign.
2. a letter, figure, or other character or mark or a combination of letters or the like used to designate something: the algebraic symbol x; the chemical symbol Au.
3. a word, phrase, image, or the like having a complex of associated meanings and perceived as having inherent value separable from that which is symbolized, as being part of that which is symbolized, and as performing its normal function of standing for or representing that which is symbolized: usually conceived as deriving its meaning chiefly from the structure in which it appears, and generally distinguished from a sign.

Whether or not you believe in the power behind certain symbols they are a form of communication, and in the context of this thread, what are these symbols communicating to us? I believe that is significant in terms of the world around us and what is going on. But, like I said at the beginning of the thread it is a matter of perception and belief.

logos880

04-12-2009, 04:58 PM

http://www.stateandfed.com/E_Newsletter/images/2007/April/freedom_1.jpg

Hey nicoalj! :)

Looks like the goddess of 10,000 names: the holy mother, the queen of heaven, Semiramis, Aphrodite, Diana, Columbia, Venus, Isis, Astarte, Ashtoreth, Ishtar, Cybele, Devi, Parvati, lady liberty, the whore of babylon, the sacred feminine...the list goes on and on.

messed_up_faerie

07-12-2009, 06:03 PM

http://brandautopsy.typepad.com/brandautopsy/images/sbux_logo_pre_1987_2.jpg

http://brandautopsy.typepad.com/brandautopsy/images/sbux_logo_8792.jpg

http://la.cacophony.org/paganstarbucks.gif

notice any similarities?

do you have a source for that image?
can't find it anywhere!
thanks :)

logos880

07-12-2009, 11:23 PM

do you have a source for that image?
can't find it anywhere!
thanks :)

The link is in the pic, that is the only place I've been able to spot that particular pic, but do some searching and there is many depictions of astarte with two fish tails.

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/4738/mer141ve.jpg

logos880

08-12-2009, 12:07 AM

More on the Lady Liberty sacred feminine connection...

The myth described Osiris as having been killed by his brother Set who wanted Osiris' throne. Isis briefly brought Osiris back to life by use of a spell that she learned from her father. This spell gave her time to become pregnant by Osiris before he again died. Isis later gave birth to Horus. As such, since Horus was born after Osiris' resurrection, Horus became thought of as a represention of new beginnings and the vanquisher of the evil Set. This combination, Osiris-Horus, was therefore a life-death-rebirth deity, and thus associated with the new harvest each year. Afterward, Osiris became known as the Egyptian god of the dead, Isis became known as the Egyptian goddess of the children, and Horus became known as the Egyptian god of the sky.

Osiris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Isis is represented as playing the 'holy mother' role in the life-death-rebirth deity scenario of Osiris/Horus. Horus being considered the 'god of the sky' is also significant since he was seen as a sun god as well. His right eye was thought of as being the sun and his left eye the moon (all seeing eye). Since the resurrected Horus was considered a god, the birth of Osiris as a result of the 'undead' Horus can conceptually be seen as a 'virgin birth' in the spirit of the mythology. Isis, Osiris, and Horus make a Mother, Son, and Father trinity.

In Greece, the Demeter-Persephone death-resurrection cult at Eleusis, had a similar nature, and began at an extremely similar time. Many centuries later this led to interest in the Egyptian cult by the Greeks, including Plato. Eventually, a derived form of the Egyptian cult, having been infused with Platonism, spread to areas of Greek influence, particularly during the Hellenistic era of control over Egypt. As the cult referred to foreign gods, the forms of the cult in Greek nations were adopted to describe suitable local deities and merged and expanded to include elements from the local cultures. This produced a collection of closely related versions of the cult, whose central deities had been deformed to be similar to the Egyptian cult, and were by the 1st century BC collectively known as Osiris-Dionysus.

The concept of merging the religions and adapting the names to fit particular cultures has helped this 'holy mother' mythology to crop up in cultures all over the world and throughout history. Up to this point, I haven't been able to determine with concrete certainty that Semiramis is the original 'goddess' but I am currently under that impression based on what I've read. But, for this particular case it almost does not matter. What I'm trying to show here is that conceptually, lady liberty fits into the 'holy mother' position in the 'pagan trinity', but if anyone can confirm who started the 'goddess' mythology that would be cool! :D Take the myth of Isis, Osiris, and Horus and replace the names with Semiramis, Tammuz, and Nimrod. Here's where things get interesting in relation to lady liberty.

The father of the trinity is considered the sun god...

The general appearance of the statue’s head approximates the Greek Sun-god Apollo or the Roman Sun-god Helios as preserved on an ancient marble tablet (today in the Archaeological Museum of Corinth, Corinth, Greece)—Apollo was represented as a solar deity, dressed in a similar robe and having on its head a "radiate crown" with the seven spiked rays of the Helios-Apollo's sun rays, like the Statue's nimbus or halo.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Face_of_Statue_of_Liberty_2.jpg/800px-Face_of_Statue_of_Liberty_2.jpg

So now we have two of the three trinity members present in the statue of liberty...is or was the son ever there?

Earlier modern versions of statues of Liberty include the one erected atop a temple of Concordia in Lyon for the Federation festival of May 30, 1790[40] and the plaster figure wearing a red phrygian cap and carrying a spear in her right hand...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_liberty#Symbolism

The Phrygian cap is of interest here...

(Attis) mythical consort of the Great Mother of the Gods (classical Cybele, or Agdistis); he was worshipped in Phrygia, Asia Minor, and later throughout the Roman Empire, where he was made a solar deity in the 2nd century ad. The worship of Attis and the Great Mother included the annual celebration of mysteries on the return of the spring season. Attis, like the Great Mother, was probably indigenous to Asia Minor, adopted by the invading Phrygians and blended by them with a mythical character of their own. According to the Phrygian tale, Attis was a beautiful youth born of Nana, the daughter of the river Sangarius, and the hermaphroditic Agdistis. Having become enamoured of Attis, Agdistis struck him with frenzy as he was about to be married, with the result that Attis castrated himself and died. Agdistis in repentance prevailed upon Zeus to grant that the body of the youth should never decay or waste. Other versions also exist, but they all retain the essential etiological feature, the self-castration.

Attis was fundamentally a vegetation god, and in his self-mutilation, death, and resurrection he represents the fruits of the earth, which die in winter only to rise again in the spring. In art Attis was frequently represented as a youth, with the distinctive Phrygian cap and trousers.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/42255/Attis

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Bust_Attis_CdM.jpg/430px-Bust_Attis_CdM.jpg
Attis and his Phrygian Cap

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Marianne_Symbol_of_french_republic_3.jpg/150px-Marianne_Symbol_of_french_republic_3.jpg

Lady Liberty and her red Phrygian Cap

Notice the themes...more to come...

logos880

08-12-2009, 06:05 AM

More on Attis (Son) and the phrygian cap that signifies him...

Mithras and the Virgin Birth

Joseph Campbell, who was not a Mithras scholar, described the birth of Mithras as a virgin birth, like that of Jesus.[85] He gives no ancient source for his claim.

Mithras was not thought of as virgin born in any ancient source. Rather, he arose spontaneously from a rock in a cave.[86] In Mithraic Studies it is stated that Mithras was born as an adult from solid rock, "wearing his Phrygian cap, issues forth from the rocky mass. As yet only his bare torso is visible. In each hand he raises aloft a lighted torch and, as an unusual detail, red flames shoot out all around him from the petra genetrix."[87]

David Ulansey speculates that this was a belief derived from the Perseus' myths which held he was born from an underground cavern.

Phyrgian cap and lighted torch...

Her(Lady Liberty) torch signifies enlightenment.

Mithras is a sun god...Mithras is Sol and Sol is Mithras like Horus is Osiris and Osiris is Horus:

Although Mithras himself is Sol Invictus, the Unconquered Sun, he and Sol appear in several scenes as separate persons, with the banquet scene (see below) being the most prominent example [65]. Other scenes feature Mithras ascending behind Sol in the latter's chariot, the deities shaking hands and the two gods at an altar with pieces of meat on a spit or spits.[65]. One peculiar scene shows Sol kneeling before Mithras, who holds an object, interpreted either as a Persian cap or the haunch of the bull, in his hand.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Mithras_banquet_Louvre_Ma3441.jpg/300px-Mithras_banquet_Louvre_Ma3441.jpg

Mithras w/Phrygian cap and Sol at banquet. Also, take note of Sol's 'radiant crown.'

...So why did the designer decide on the seven pointed crown as opposed to the phrygian cap?

Since the 1940s, it has been claimed that the seven spikes or diadem atop of the crown epitomize the Seven Seas and seven continents...Apollo (Helios/Sol/Horus) was represented as a solar deity, dressed in a similar robe and having on its head a "radiate crown" with the seven spiked rays of the Helios-Apollo's sun rays, like the Statue's nimbus or halo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_liberty#Symbolism

Greek - Helios - (Sol, Saturn, Ra, Nimrod) The sun, seen as a man driving a chariot of fire-breathing horses and sunbeams crowned upon his head.

Interesting side note: Hindu - Surya - solar deity - He is said to drive through the heaven in his triumphal chariot harnessed by seven horses or one horse with seven heads,[1] which represent the seven colours of the rainbow or the seven chakras. He presides
over "Surya-waar" or Sunday.

Solar deity represented by the number seven, driving a chariot and 'sun-day'...ok back to the point...

I am suggesting that the reason the seven pointed crown of Helios was chosen as opposed to the phrygian cap is as a solar representation of the 'father/son' of the pagan trinity. Also, the face is modeled after Helios as well and the inclusion of the similar robe to Helios'. 'Lady' Liberty seems to be an amalgamation of different aspects of the pagan trinity. Tying this back into Semiramis, in Babylonian tradition Semiramis is considered the consort of Nimrod who is Sol, Ra, Baal, or the sky deity. In that context Semiramis is the same as Isis the 'mother of the gods'.

Next I will tackle the lighted torch...

logos880

08-12-2009, 06:19 AM

edit: double post...oops! :D

ofgilead

08-12-2009, 06:46 AM

logos880

08-12-2009, 05:02 PM

The torch of enlightenment...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1128/873034739_00462be57c.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q117/skd2k1/Torch_Stamp.jpg

An image of the "Torch of Enlightenment" appears on the 3-cent National Defense stamp, saluting "Security, Education, Conservation and Health." As with the 1-cent and 2-cent, the stamp's design began with a pencil sketch by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. The stamps were issued October 16, 1940.

http://www.arago.si.edu/index.asp?con=1&cmd=1&tid=2028701

http://coins.thefuntimesguide.com/images/blogs/United_States_dime,_reverse_public_domain.jpg

The back reads, "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA," "E PLURIBUS UNUM" (which means, "Out of many, one"), and "ONE DIME."

President Franklin D. Roosevelt is on the front.

The torch stands for liberty. The oak branch stands for victory. The olive branch stands for peace.

The Age of Enlightenment (or simply the Enlightenment) is a term used to describe a time in Western philosophy and cultural life, centred upon the eighteenth century, in which reason was advocated as the primary source and legitimacy for authority[1].

Age of Enlightenment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, "enlightened") is a name that refers to several groups, both historical and modern, and both real and fictitious. Historically, it refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776.

Illuminati - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many of the gods and godesses of mythology carried torches. Some of these are: Hecata (the "Queen of the Witches"), Comus, Eros, Hymenaeus (or Hymen), Apollo, Ilithyia, Eos (or Aurora), Iakchaos & Phosphorus (who is also called Lucifer)

-Masonic & Occult Symbols Illustrated by Cathy Burns

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The torches represent the Occult arts and sciences, the doctrines and dogmas by the light of which Truth is made visible.

Lucifer, having regained his star and his diadem, will assemble his legions for new works of creation. Attracted by his flaming torch, celestial spirits will descend...and he will send these messengers from unknown spheres to earth. Then the torch of Lucifer will signal 'From Heaven to Earth!'- and the...Christ will answer 'From Earth to Heaven!

http://books.google.com/books?id=shR8Ph-qE20C&pg=PT1&lpg=PT1&dq=Edouard+Schure+Lucifer,+having+regained+his+sta r+and+his+diadem&source=bl&ots=Pbu5Jl3tGa&sig=8HRVtYllMPD3I2r7PC_VVzBFGW4&hl=en&ei=MoYeS7X6GsnSlAf4yoCGDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

ninny

08-12-2009, 07:55 PM

More on the Lady Liberty sacred feminine connection...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris

Isis is represented as playing the 'holy mother' role in the life-death-rebirth deity scenario of Osiris/Horus. Horus being considered the 'god of the sky' is also significant since he was seen as a sun god as well. His right eye was thought of as being the sun and his left eye the moon (all seeing eye). Since the resurrected Horus was considered a god, the birth of Osiris as a result of the 'undead' Horus can conceptually be seen as a 'virgin birth' in the spirit of the mythology. Isis, Osiris, and Horus make a Mother, Son, and Father trinity.

The concept of merging the religions and adapting the names to fit particular cultures has helped this 'holy mother' mythology to crop up in cultures all over the world and throughout history. Up to this point, I haven't been able to determine with concrete certainty that Semiramis is the original 'goddess' but I am currently under that impression based on what I've read. But, for this particular case it almost does not matter. What I'm trying to show here is that conceptually, lady liberty fits into the 'holy mother' position in the 'pagan trinity', but if anyone can confirm who started the 'goddess' mythology that would be cool! :D Take the myth of Isis, Osiris, and Horus and replace the names with Semiramis, Tammuz, and Nimrod. Here's where things get interesting in relation to lady liberty.

The father of the trinity is considered the sun god...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Face_of_Statue_of_Liberty_2.jpg/800px-Face_of_Statue_of_Liberty_2.jpg

So now we have two of the three trinity members present in the statue of liberty...is or was the son ever there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_liberty#Symbolism

The Phrygian cap is of interest here...

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/42255/Attis

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Bust_Attis_CdM.jpg/430px-Bust_Attis_CdM.jpg
Attis and his Phrygian Cap

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Marianne_Symbol_of_french_republic_3.jpg/150px-Marianne_Symbol_of_french_republic_3.jpg

Lady Liberty and her red Phrygian Cap

Notice the themes...more to come...

interesting hat ^^

we have here for the tv station ZDF our "mainzelmännchen" for years:

http://www.tv-nostalgie.de/MM2.jpg

reminds me of course of them:

http://tvhelden87.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/schlumpf.jpg

and them:

http://paulrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/snow-white-seven-dwarfs.jpg

beldazar

08-12-2009, 09:34 PM

interesting hat ^^

Yes isn't it, lol

The Liberty Cap

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3958/95505383.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/95505383.jpg/)

Now a class A drug if you pick it and don't put it in your mouth
what don't they want you to know? :cool:

logos880

08-12-2009, 11:29 PM

interesting hat ^^

we have here for the tv station ZDF our "mainzelmännchen" for years:

http://www.tv-nostalgie.de/MM2.jpg

reminds me of course of them:

http://tvhelden87.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/schlumpf.jpg

and them:

http://paulrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/snow-white-seven-dwarfs.jpg

Papa smurf especially...other than the association with Mithras, Attis, and Lady Liberty I'm not sure where the phrygian cap gained its significance or what it means exactly.

Here's a fun read I just dug up, Alchemical Symbolism in Smurfs:

http://cartoonoveranalyzations.com/2008/03/14/alchemical-symbolism-in-smurfs/

Yes isn't it, lol

The Liberty Cap

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3958/95505383.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/95505383.jpg/)

Now a class A drug if you pick it and don't put it in your mouth
what don't they want you to know? :cool:

Good question ;) ....:cool: (for better hallway vision)

ninny

09-12-2009, 02:00 AM

Papa smurf especially...other than the association with Mithras, Attis, and Lady Liberty I'm not sure where the phrygian cap gained its significance or what it means exactly.

Here's a fun read I just dug up, Alchemical Symbolism in Smurfs:

http://cartoonoveranalyzations.com/2008/03/14/alchemical-symbolism-in-smurfs/

Good question ;) ....:cool: (for better hallway vision)

interesting thx.

The Smurfs are Communists,

:D

logos880

09-12-2009, 03:58 AM

Skypscrapers, across the globe, are monuments to Osiris. The obelisk, as a sign of masculine energy.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iRE1f7T37Zk/Sksrj3M82VI/AAAAAAAAAMU/WHYWY2Vqs1o/s400/4.+OsirisImpregnating.JPG
Osiris phalic symbols.
http://theallseeingeye.tv/dc_washingtonMonument_01.jpg

The Washington Monument is an obelisk near the west end of the National Mall in Washington, D.C., built to commemorate the first U.S. president, General George Washington...Among the Founding Fathers of the United States, George Washington earned the title "Father of the Country" in recognition of his leadership in the cause of American independence.

Washington Monument - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She(Isis) used a spell she had learned from her father and brought him(Osiris) back to life so he could impregnate her. Afterwards he died again and she hid his body in the desert. Months later, she gave birth to Horus...Enraged, he(Set) tore the body into fourteen pieces and scattered them throughout the land. Isis gathered up all the parts of the body, less the phallus (which was eaten by a fish) and bandaged them together for a proper burial. The gods were impressed by the devotion of Isis and resurrected Osiris as the god of the underworld...Isis recovers all the parts of Osiris' body, less the phallus, and secretly buries them. She made replicas of them and distributed them to several locations which then became centres of Osiris worship.

Osiris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The story continues that the coffin of Ausar (Osiris) was swept by the waves to the shoreline of a foreign land. A tree sprang up and grew around it, enclosing the body of Ausar in its trunk. The tree grew large, beautiful, and fragrant. [See an Ancient Egyptian temple depiction below.] News of this magnificent tree came to the king of this alien land, who ordered that the tree be cut down, and its trunk brought to him. He utilized the trunk as a pillar in his house without knowing the great secret it contained within.

http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/articles/holy-families.html

But the Olympian gods, fearing Agdistis, cut off the male organ and cast it away. There grew up from it an almond-tree, and when its fruit was ripe, Nana who was a daughter of the river-god Sangarius picked an almond and laid it in her bosom. The almond disappeared, and she became pregnant. Nana abandoned the baby (Attis).

Attis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It dawned on me one day as I drove through San Fran, the amount of monuments to osiris, channeling this masculine energy. They cover the globe, ( I would hazard a guess that major cities they are in key locations along ley lines).

That is a very interesting observation...never thought of that! Osiris was the god of the dead...

The new World Trade Center complex currently under construction in Manhattan, New York City...will resemble a gigantic Egyptian Obelisk

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Freedom-Tower---Signature-of-the-New-World-Trade-Center-Complex&id=317937

logos880

10-12-2009, 07:49 PM

In Greek mythology, the daughter either of Phoenix or of Agenor, king of Phoenicia. The beauty of Europa inspired the love of Zeus, who approached her in the form of a white bull and carried her away from Phoenicia to Crete.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/195658/Europa

There is likewise in Phœnicia a temple of great size owned by the Sidonians. They call it the temple of Astarte. 7 I hold this Astarte to be no other than the moon-goddess. But according to the story of one of the priests this temple is sacred to Europa, the sister of Cadmus. She was the daughter of Agenor, and on her disappearance from Earth the Phœnicians honoured her with a temple and told a sacred legend about her; how that Zeus was enamoured of her for her beauty, and changing his form into that of a bull carried her off into Crete. 8 This legend I heard from other Phœnicians as well; and the coinage current among the Sidonians bears upon it the effigy of Europa sitting upon a bull, none other than Zeus. 9 Thus they do not agree that the temple in question is sacred to Europa.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/luc/tsg/tsg07.htm#fr_80

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/2_Euro_coin_Gr.gif

The Euro

The implication that Lucian is making here is that Europa is Astarte. Ugaritic text indirectly implicate Astarte as being the consort of Baal. To me this would make sense because "the Semitic high god Ba'al Hadad was depicted as a human, a ram, or a bull." So what we have here is Europa as Astarte and Zeus as Baal.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/1355410

Baal's cult animal was the bull, which symbolized his power and fertility, though at times and in different places he was also associated with goats and even flies.

Baal was known to be a rider of clouds, most active during storms but was also considered to be a "lord of heaven and earth", even controlling earth's fertility. He was the god of thunderstorms.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/baal.htm

Baal was also considered the god of thunder and became the chief god of the pantheon just like Zeus. Baal's consort was Astarte much like Zeus and Europa. I don't think it is a stretch to say that they are one in the same. As the god of the sky and the thunderstorm baal was seen as the rain fertilizing the mother earth. Back to Osiris...as the 'Ram (bull) god'.

Since Osiris was considered dead, as god of the dead, Osiris' soul, or rather his Ba, was occasionally worshipped in its own right, almost as if it were a distinct god, especially so in the Delta city of Mendes. This aspect of Osiris was referred to as Banebdjedet, which is grammatically feminine (also spelt "Banebded" or "Banebdjed") which literally means The ba of the lord of the djed, which roughly means The soul of the lord of the pillar of stability. The djed, a type of pillar, was usually understood as the backbone of Osiris, and, at the same time, as the Nile, the backbone of Egypt. The Nile, supplying water, and Osiris (strongly connected to the vegetation) who died only to be resurrected represented continuity and therefore stability. As Banebdjed, Osiris was given epithets such as Lord of the Sky and Life of the (sun god) Ra, since Ra, when he had become identified with Atum, was considered Osiris' ancestor, from whom his regal authority was inherited. Ba does not, however, quite mean soul in the western sense, and also has to do with power, reputation, force of character, especially in the case of a god. Since the ba was associated with power, and also happened to be a word for ram in Egyptian, Banebdjed was depicted as a ram, or as Ram-headed. A living, sacred ram, was even kept at Mendes and worshipped as the incarnation of the god, and upon death, the rams were mummified and buried in a ram-specific necropolis.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q117/skd2k1/Osiris_Ram_god.jpg

http://www.pyramidofman.com/Djed/Ramsoul.gif

The soul of Osiris incarnate as a Ram. Also remember that Osiris was considered 'god of the sky' just like Baal and Zeus.

http://www.egyptweb.norfolk.gov.uk/images/019.jpg

The Canaanite god Baal is often depicted as a bull, or standing on the back of a bull. Sometimes a bull was molded with the intention that it would represent a stand for Baal, who would stand on
its back to hurl lightening bolts.

http://www.ldsmag.com/ancients/060417exodus.html

So we have father sky (Osiris, Baal, Zeus) and Mother Earth (Isis, Astarte, Europa).

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/treegoddess3.jpg

A depiction of Tuthmosis III suckling Isis in her guise as a Tree Goddess. Isis is the wife/mother of Osiris. Bear in mind that Osiris is dead and thus considered the 'god of the dead' and the underworld. They are the father (Nimrod, Zeus, Osiris) and mother (Semiramis, Europa, Isis) of a dead trinity.

Isis as the tree goddess and mother earth and Horus/Osiris as god of the sky represent the mother and father. Putting this together with the stories regarding Osiris and the tree of life we have a metaphor for nature. Sky (father figure) brings rain to fertilize earth (mother figure) and thus grow a tree (offspring). Although it seems to be a small detail, Osiris being considered dead and the 'god of the dead' is very significant and we will come back to this later.

http://www.pyramidofman.com/Djed/erica%20tree.gif

Osiris entombed (dead) inside the trunk of the tree of life.

logos880

18-12-2009, 08:04 PM

Ok, so far we have established that Semiramis/Isis/Europa is the mother, Nimrod/Osiris/Zeus is the father, and Tammuz/Horus is the son of the dead trinity. We have also made a link between mother as earth, father as sky, and son as vegetation. We have also seen that as son of god/goddess the son is a god/man himself. Also, son, as associated with vegetation, can be seen as a life/death/rebirth deity in relation to the cycle of the seasons.

http://bbs.bapho.net/images/oto5.gif

This is a depiction of the dead trinity as seen by the OTO. All seeing eye representing father, and dove representing mother. I have not decoded the symbolism present for the son yet, ideas? :D

Side note: The child (Semiramis) was fed by doves until she was found and brought up by Simmas, the royal shepherd.

Semiramis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The god Tammuz came from Armenia every year in his ark in the overflowing river, blessing the
alluvium with new growth.

H. Gressman, The Tower of Babel (New York, 1928), p. 28; cf. Langdon, Tammuz and Ishtar, p. 13.

Tammuz was a god of vegetation, growth, and rebirth based on the seasons.

Osiris was not only a merciful judge of the dead in the afterlife, but also the underworld agency
that granted all life, including sprouting vegetation and the fertile flooding of the Nile River.

Osiris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As Damu he [Tammuz] is called bel girsu (ummun mersi), ‘lord of the flood'.

Langdon, Tammuz and Ishtar, p. 15.

Ishtar, Babylonian goddess of all creation, sends her son Tammuz, the Green One, to live on the earth below.

C.J. Moore, Ishtar and Tammuz: A Babylonian Myth of the Seasons

He was commonly depicted as a green (the color of rebirth) or black (alluding to the fertility of the Nile floodplain) complexioned pharaoh, in mummiform (wearing the trappings of mummification from chest downward).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Standing_Osiris_edit1.svg/276px-Standing_Osiris_edit1.svg.png

Green skinned depiction of Osiris/Horus.

Horus was remembered as various planets--as the falcon, as the elder sun god, and as the son of Osiris; and Tammuz was the spring sun, the child, youth, warrior, the deity of fertility, and the lord of death (Orion-Nergal), and, as has been suggested, all the planets The stars were also the ghosts of deities who died daily.

Mackenzie, Donald Alexander, 1873-1936, Myths of Babylonia and Assyria

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/16653

As Tammuz was a life-death-rebirth deity his annual death, paralleling the seasons, was celebrated through ritualistic mourning.

Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there
sat women weeping for Tammuz. Then said he unto to me, 'Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again,
and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.

She can make the lament for you, my Dumuzid, the lament for you, the lament, the lamentation, reach the desert — she can make it reach the house Arali; she can make it reach Bad-tibira; she can make it reach Dul-šuba; she can make it reach the shepherding country, the sheepfold of Dumuzid
"O Dumuzid of the fair-spoken mouth, of the ever kind eyes," she sobs tearfully, "O you of the fair-spoken mouth, of the ever kind eyes," she sobs tearfully. "Lad, husband, lord, sweet as the date, [...] O Dumuzid!" she sobs, she sobs tearfully.

Osiris/Horus as god of the dead, vegetation, and also a life-death-rebirth deity was worshipped in a similar mournful fashion.

Plutarch and others have noted that the sacrifices to Osiris were “gloomy, solemn, and mournful...” (Isis and Osiris, 69) and that the great mystery festival, celebrated in two phases, began at Abydos on the 17th of Athyr[18] (November 13) commemorating the death of the god, which is also the same day that grain was planted in the ground.

period of mourning and confusion : Isis & Nephthys seek & find the body, mummify it, protect it (night-watches) and mourn = "Isis mourning"

http://www.maat.sofiatopia.org/wedjat.htm

So finally, we have the makings of the son of the dead trinity. A god that is associated with vegetation and the seasons and hence a life-death-rebirth deity. The son is also closely associated with the underworld and considered a 'god of the dead'. This also further reinforces the relationship of 'father sky', 'mother earth' and 'child vegetation'. I believe the fact that Tammuz/Horus/Osiris was celebrated through ritualistic mourning is of great significance here.

mourn
/mɔrn, moʊrn/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mawrn, mohrn] Show IPA

–verb (used without object)
1. to feel or express sorrow or grief.
2. to grieve or lament for the dead.
3. to show the conventional or usual signs of sorrow over a person's death.

It is important to understand that a defining aspect of this trinity is their representation and association with death. Is it not perfectly fitting that a dead god should be worshiped through mourning?

element

18-12-2009, 08:11 PM

logos880

18-12-2009, 08:41 PM

A pagan is another slag term used by Christians to stereotype all people who are not of Abrahamic faith.

What you are looking at with all your symbols is simply inspiration throughout history. Every culture gains inspiration from previous ones, evolves etc. Just like Abrahamic religions did.

Are you saying all ancient cultures, religions are evil and part of some agenda in the form of ''look around you'', while this is nothing but inspiration. Look at your house, clothes, body, hobbies, and believe me we can make a conspiracy about it and link you to eeeevvvvvvvvvooooooollllness...:eek:

pa⋅gan
/ˈpeɪgən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [pey-guhn] Show IPA

–noun
1. one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks.
2. a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim.
3. an irreligious or hedonistic person.
–adjective
4. pertaining to the worship or worshipers of any religion that is neither Christian, Jewish, nor Muslim.
5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of pagans.
6. irreligious or hedonistic.

I am defining pagan in the terms put forth in the dictionary. I am simply connecting the dots. Pointing out what the symbols in our culture mean. I totally agree with you; all the world religions/beliefs are inspired and if I have posted something that lead you to believe otherwise that was not my intention.

If I have made any errors along the way I wholeheartedly encourage you to correct me. :)