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catch22
01-12-2009, 01:25 PM
The Bible gives a perfect description of alcohol in Proverbs 23:"Who hath WOE? Who hath SORROW? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? THEY THAT TARRY LONG AT THE WINE; they that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it BITETH LIKE A SERPENT, AND STINGETH LIKE AN ADDER. Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things."

The Bible says, ". . . at last it biteth like A SERPENT." Do you know what a serpent bite is? POISON!
Did you know that alcohol is poison?
Every major organ in your body is poisoned by alcohol. "Scientific data shows alcohol is THE MOST PHYSICALLY DETERIORATING drug there is. It causes more organic damage than any other drug. . ."Why is it when people get drunk, they have a tendency to vomit? Because your stomach knows POISON when it comes down! No wonder the bartender says, "NAME YOUR POISON"! When a man is drunk, he is INTOXICATED. Do you know what a TOXIC is? IT IS A POISON!
so why would jesus make wine?
Scientists have only recently discovered the physical process that creates the slurred speech and drunken stupor. Once in the blood stream, alcohol causes a coagulation of the red corpuscles referred to as "sludging". The blood thickens so that it cannot flow freely and clogs the metabolic exchange of life-giving oxygen. And when cells are deprived of oxygen - THEY DIE! And because brain cells require a high oxygen supply continuously, they are particularly vulnerable! And brain cells are the only cells that do not reproduce! Brain cells destroyed are never replaced! Autopsies performed on drinkers, often reveal hollow cavities in the skull, where ENTIRE CONVOLUTIONS OF THE BRAIN HAVE DISAPPEARED! And according to studies by Dr. Melvin H. Kinsley, brain damage occurs progressively from THE VERY FIRST DRINK! The next time you see that man staggering drunk - YOU ARE WATCHING A MAN LITERALLY DESTROYING HIS BRAIN!
Median lethal dose of ethanol
BAC (mg/dL) 400 BAC(% v/v) 0.4%
still want to drink the blood of christ?

pleasuredome
01-12-2009, 01:52 PM
plus he didn't put his tenner in like everyone else

dedicate
01-12-2009, 03:02 PM
"Still want to drink the blood of christ?" --- Yes.

catch22
01-12-2009, 03:33 PM
"Still want to drink the blood of christ?" --- Yes.

even with the high risk of Cirrhosis of the liver and the fact it kills brain cells?
cheers i'l choose ayahuasca.

dedicate
01-12-2009, 03:52 PM
So you say. And do as you like.

Then there is the knowledge that millions of brain cells die every day irrigardless. Or that every second the energy of the atom is NEW. Anyway,, a glass of wine isn't going to hurt most anyone. I say, "Eat! Drink! and be Happy!"

Then,, did you know.. ayahuasca is the body of Christ -- All eat and drink is the Body and Blood of Christ.. Jesus may have said, "Drink this" and it was wine,, but he did not say,, "What ever else one drinks is not my blood" Nor, "Whatever is eaten other than bread is not my body". So one could conclude,, All things eaten and drunk are the Body and Blood of Christ, not just bread and wine. All food is sacriment in rememberance of Him. It is possible.

For all things come from the Earth,, and the Earth Spirit is the Christ.

branjo
01-12-2009, 05:11 PM
Is it possible he could have had the biblical equivalent of a little Cool Aid packet. Slight of hand and hey presto, water into a wine like substance.

http://www.tvacres.com/images/koolaid5b.jpg

dedicate
01-12-2009, 07:48 PM
I'm sure, branjo, is saying, "It is possible" because I said, "it is possible." In other words, what he is saying is as likely as what I am saying. This is his arguement. Of course, there is no evidence for what he says, other than his say so. And there is some evidence for what I said, but instead of asking me to explain further, he just says something reduculous so one will equate it with what I say.

Like when I tell people in a group, "Arab terrorist did not fly planes into buildings" and some smart aleck says "No, it was the UFOnaughts".

snoopsnuffleopagus
01-12-2009, 08:02 PM
:eek:hi catchup22:

Read the Book of Yahweh/Bible, carefully and closely.

Alcohol is to be enjoyed Moderately, Drunkenness is counter-productive.

Story of Samson.

The Water to Wine was a very Significant Miracle.

You must learn to discern between Miracles and Magic; grasshopper!! :)

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/mqx.html

Did the NT author's invent the miracle stories in the gospels?

The Bible is a Hebrew book, and thus can be better understood if the student also understands the background of the Hebraic law, traditions and history. Now, this means becoming familiar with other books, such as the Mishna, Talmud and Midrash, and some others. See, the Bible is the unerring Word of God. I saw your eyebrows go up! But It’s not the inerrant Word of God that most Christians would make it out to be, because they’re talking about the King James and other translations. It’s only the inerrant Word of God as far as the original in Greek and Hebrew go. And other resource materials, you have to view those as supplements, not substitutes, for Holy Scripture.

Now, in some cases, Scripture seems to take for granted that we know things that most of us do not know unless we study Hebraic law and customs. For instance, the Scripture assumes that we know what the law states about purification of the Jews. I mean, you look around the Bible and you find a lot of directions given to people about how to purify themselves in a lot of different situations. You know, you touch a dead body, you’ve got to do this, that, and the other thing, and wash seven times and all that. So purification was a really big thing back then.

The Scripture assumes, like I said, that we know about the purification, and the significance of the six stone water pots that are mentioned in John 2:6 at the wedding in Cana of Galilee, that we would just automatically know what those were about. Those were purification pots. Six stone pots were filled with water to supply water for purification rites. And what did Jesus do? Maybe you don’t remember that. It was His first miracle. He turned that water into wine. They ran out of wine, and so His mother said, Hey, why don’t you – and He said, wait a minute – well, okay. And He turned the water into wine, and it turned out to be better wine than the host was serving. But without the understanding of the water pots being significant for purification, we couldn’t fully appreciate the symbolism of this first miracle. It was the purification that He would follow. It was a type of His purification that He would accomplish on the cross. And wine is always symbolized as blood. So He revealed who He was, the ultimate purifier of humanity, through His blood. But you don’t know that unless you know Jewish law.


Perhaps this helps, perhaps not! :confused:


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branjo
01-12-2009, 08:02 PM
I'm sure, branjo, is saying, "It is possible" because I said, "it is possible." In other words, what he is saying is as likely as what I am saying. This is his arguement. Of course, there is no evidence for what he says, other than his say so. And there is some evidence for what I said, but instead of asking me to explain further, he just says something reduculous so one will equate it with what I say.

Like when I tell people in a group, "Arab terrorist did not fly planes into buildings" and some smart aleck says "No, it was the UFOnaughts".

OR you could pull ones head out of ones ass and learn to take a joke

lightgiver
01-12-2009, 11:31 PM
One of the arguments against Jesus and The Magdalene's wedding is that there appears to be no mention of a wedding. But Jesus did attend a wedding.

The story is related in John 2:1 -10
1 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus' mother was there,

2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding.

3 When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to him, "They have no more wine."

4 "Dear woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied, "My time has not yet come."

5 His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you."

6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.[a]

7Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.

8 Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."

They did so,

9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside

10 and said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now."

11 This, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed in Cana of Galilee. He thus revealed his glory, and his disciples put their faith in him.



First thing that strikes you is that we are not told whose wedding this is but not only have Jesus and the disciples been invited but also Mary mother of Jesus.

The second question is what spiritual significance does this have? Turning water into wine? The significance was that it was his first miracle.

Firstly we must understand that when the Gospels were first written they would only have been written for trained eyes schooled with understanding. they were never envisaged for inclusion into a book written for everyone. All religious writing was done in the form of a reference to the scriptures. The meaning of the inclusion of this apparant 'party trick' is on another level of meaning called a 'Pesher'. Jesus is breaking with tradition for only celibates (this would have included Jesus at this point) could receive communion. In this apparent miracle he was allowing the 'unclean' persons (Gentiles) to receive communion.

But whose wedding was this? There is nothing sinister about us not being told because it would have been irrelevant to the pesher and the assumption is clear to those with understanding. Mary mother of Jesus was part of the story and so was included in the text.

When Essene marriage rules are brought together it is clear that this was in fact ONE of the marriages of Jesus to Mary Magdalene at Cana (Ain Feshkha) conducted under Hellenist rules. Three marriages are required, the wedding at Cana is in fact merely a betrothal but is a little more than just an engagement. The phrase 'my time has not yet come' means that this was the feast that preceded the ceremony. We actually can make a very good guess of the date of this wedding, it is June 6th 30CE. It occurred in the evening on the same day that Jesus was in the corn fields with the disciples which is depicted in parchment one. We know this from a correlation between the four Gospels (Mark 2, Luke 6 and John 2) and a deep understanding of the strict rules surrounding Essene marriage from the Temple Scrolls worked out from the Sabbatical year.

The transcripts of the two Priory Of Sion parchments, Jesus in the corn fields and the anointment of the feet of Jesus by Mary Magdalene, signify a quite definite allusion to the marriage of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Clearly the authors of these two parchments knew something.

http://www.rose-croix-veritas.com/mary_magdalene.htm

A lot of spiritual works are written in allegory.

majorlee
01-12-2009, 11:40 PM
jesus was a fucking drunk!

this was his main party trick, no wonder he had so many followers

wherver J went the Party was at :)

hahah the romans got pissed at him cause they lost out on taxes of booze sales

grannymoose
05-12-2009, 10:54 PM
The Water to Wine was a very Significant Miracle.

You must learn to discern between Miracles and Magic; grasshopper!


Jesus mearly gave the atoms appearing as water to change and to take the form of wine. :D

trepidation
05-12-2009, 11:34 PM
I was under the impression that Jesus had (hypothetically) turned the water into a non-alcoholic form of wine. Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

branjo
05-12-2009, 11:40 PM
I was under the impression that Jesus had (hypothetically) turned the water into a non-alcoholic form of wine. Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

Well, it still doesn't rule out my biblical equivalent "Packet of Cool Aid" theory ;).

trepidation
05-12-2009, 11:51 PM
Well, it still doesn't rule out my biblical equivalent "Packet of Cool Aid" theory ;).
Could very well be true. I also believe that Jesus did not walk on water but instead very thin ice.

1977
05-12-2009, 11:54 PM
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05504c.htm
Epiphanius (Haer., li, 27, in P.G., XLI, 936) says that the sixth of January is hemera genethlion toutestin epiphanion, Christ's Birthday, i.e. His Epiphany. Indeed, he assigns the Baptism to 12 Athyr, i.e. 6 November. Again in chapters xxviii and xxix (P.G., XLI, 940 sq.) he asserts that Christ's Birth, i.e. Theophany, occurred on 6 January, as did the miracle at Cana, in consequence of which water, in various places (Cibyra, for instance), was then yearly by a miracle turned into wine, of which he had himself drunk....

Owing no doubt to the vagueness of the name Epiphany, very different manifestations of Christ's glory and Divinity were celebrated in this feast quite early in its history, especially the Baptism, the miracle at Cana, the Nativity, and the visit of the Magi.

branjo
06-12-2009, 02:21 AM
Could very well be true. I also believe that Jesus did not walk on water but instead very thin ice.

I actually heard somewhere that when the bible is being translated, the more complex translation is chosen instead of the simple one, like it was an unwritten rule and open for far more interpretation, therefore the priest would be the one who would explain it to the unknowing subject.

As per your example,

Jesus walked on water. "Miracle by the son of god"

or

Jesus walked along the shore. "A guy out for a walk alongside the water"

Which one carries more weight when talking to people who will literally believe anything the priests say?

There is a simple explanation for everything but its never going to empower someone who see's themselves above the common man to let the common man know those simple truths.

So maybe.
"Jesus turned water into wine" translates in the simple to, "Jesus drank water as if it were wine".

or

"Jesus envisioned water as wine", ie water being the wine of the earth so to speak.

To me there is far too much leeway to commit ones life to a particular translation. We can read and hear what it translates as and then re-translate it to mean something to us, which either way is simply hearing what we want to hear. Its no crime, but its also nothing to loose your life over either.

catch22
08-12-2009, 02:27 PM
:eek:hi catchup22:

Read the Book of Yahweh/Bible, carefully and closely.

Alcohol is to be enjoyed Moderately, Drunkenness is counter-productive.

Story of Samson.

The Water to Wine was a very Significant Miracle.

You must learn to discern between Miracles and Magic; grasshopper!! :)

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/mqx.html

Did the NT author's invent the miracle stories in the gospels?




Perhaps this helps, perhaps not! :confused:


Kind Regards, Rumblin' Reverse Fundamentalists, Oppo-Church Ladies and Zombie Parrot Minions of Evilbible.com since: 2010 :)

i think alcohol, even taken moderately is counter-productive as you seem to underestimate alcohol, even in small amounts when alcohol reaches the brain, it interferes with communication between nerve cells, by interacting with the receptors on some cells. The alcohol suppresses excitatory nerve pathway activity and increases inhibitory nerve pathway activity. Among other actions, alcohol enhances the effects of the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA. Enhancing an inhibitor has the effect of making a person sluggish. Also, alcohol weakens the excitatory neurotransmitter glutamine, which enhances the sluggishness even farther.

snoopsnuffleopagus
08-12-2009, 10:30 PM
who are you?

Carrie Nations great granddaughter? :eek:


888888888888888888888888888888


PULL OVER!!!!

STEP OUT OF THE CAR WITH YOUR HANDS UP AND WALK BACK TOWARDS THE SOUND OF MY VOICE!!!!!


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!!!!!!!!!!! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTT!!!!!!! ZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!

JK :D

catch22
10-12-2009, 01:34 PM
who are you?

Carrie Nations great granddaughter? :eek:


888888888888888888888888888888


PULL OVER!!!!

STEP OUT OF THE CAR WITH YOUR HANDS UP AND WALK BACK TOWARDS THE SOUND OF MY VOICE!!!!!


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!!!!!!!!!!! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTT!!!!!!! ZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!

JK :D

who am i? is that an important question? and if i tell you who i am what does it really matter? is it simply curiosity?
i am the story of man kind :)

harry_88
10-12-2009, 03:10 PM
I was under the impression that Jesus had (hypothetically) turned the water into a non-alcoholic form of wine. Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

You are indeed correct.
This is an incorrect understanding/translation, the translators being alcoholic imbibers have assumed that since they are - everyone else is similar.
Wine in those days refered to a thick grape (or fruit) syrop which was storable.
It is still prominent in Middle Eastern countries today.

kasalt
10-12-2009, 05:08 PM
Wine in those days refered to a thick grape (or fruit) syrop which was storable.

The Greek word translated as "wine" in the New Testament is pronounced oy-nos which means wine, not grape juice. We know that because the word is used where people are warned not to drink to excess and get drunk from it. No such warning would be necessary if it were grape juice: "And be not drunk with wine [oy-nos], wherein is excess." (Ephesians 5:18 KJV)
"Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine [oy-nos]." (1 Timothy 3:8 KJV)
The phrase "not given to much wine" implies that it is OK to drink a little wine, and in fact, in Paul told Timothy to "use a little wine": "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine [oy-nos] for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities." (1 Timothy 5:23) I don't think that it would have been necessary for Paul to give Timothy permission to drink unfermented grape juice.

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2004/20041126.htm

harry_88
10-12-2009, 06:07 PM
Rev. Hart: Incidentally, as an abstainer from intoxicants, you will be happy to know that wine, which is now distributed as the blood of Christ, was not always used in the transubstantiation process. At least this is what certain reputable scholars are saying. Originally, according to one view, it was grape juice.
In biblical times, you see, all fruit of the vine was called wine whether it was fermented or not. This is what they're claiming now. There are thirteen different words used in Hebrew and Chaldee, and four in Greek. The common word in Greek was oinos. This Greek word corresponds to yayin or yain in Hebrew, vinum in Latin, and wine in English. However, in classical biblical usage, these words simply refer to grape juice.
In the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Bible, the Hebrew word for grape juice is translated thirty-three times as the Greek word oinos. It is also used to denote kinds of drinks, such as lotus fruits and dates.

Satyaraja Dasa: Is this your opinion, or can you cite other scholars and authorities on the subject?

Rev. Hart: Oh, of course. This is almost common knowledge among scholars of Old Testament history. According to Professor Samuel Lee of Cambridge, the root of this Hebrew word I've been discussing is yain, or wine. But even Professor Lee admits that in biblical times the word did not refer to intoxicating liquor made by fermentation. It more referred to a thick, unintoxicating syrup produced by boiling. The boiling process gave the grape a long shelf-life and so it became more storable. So we should not think that the early biblical prophets endorsed the use of intoxicating drink. Wine, in those days, generally referred to grape juice.

Satyaraja Dasa: So intoxicating drink was frowned upon in biblical times?

Rev. Hart: Oh, definitely. We learn from the Bible that intoxicating beverages are habit-forming (Proverbs 23.35), result in violence (Proverbs 4.17), and distract its imbibers from God (Amos 6.6).

Satyaraja Dasa: That's really interesting...really...and I only wish that Christian laymen would learn about these things...... (East - West Dialogues)

The Reverend Alvin Van Pelt Hart is a noted Christian theologian and has been an Ordained Episcopal priest since 1949, when he received his Master of Divinity degree from the General Theological Seminary in New York City. In the mid-1950s he was called upon to write a chapter on "Religion and the Handicapped" for a book entitled The Handicapped and Their Rehabilitation (St. Louis, Thomas Pub., 1957). This work is today regarded as a significant contribution in its field. Reverend Hart has served as chaplain and supervisor of Clinical Pastoral Education at Bellevue Hospital from 1953 to 1966. From that year to the present day Reverend Hart has occupied this same position at St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital.

snoopsnuffleopagus
10-12-2009, 06:15 PM
catch22;who am i?

Mo' Bettah'=Who am We?

is that an important question?

Youse bet your sweet bippy it is!!!


and if i tell you who i am what does it really matter?

Don't be too hung up on who you are as you are not who you think you are. ;)

is it simply curiosity?

no, more of a Complex Curiosity

i am the story of man kind :)


Well, aren't you special! :P

Kind Regards

kasalt
10-12-2009, 06:53 PM
In biblical times, you see, all fruit of the vine was called wine whether it was fermented or not.

Why would it have been necessary for Paul to give Timothy permission to drink unfermented grape juice?

harry_88
10-12-2009, 10:27 PM
Why would it have been necessary for Paul to give Timothy permission to drink unfermented grape juice?

Why would Paul give permission to Timothy to drink fermented grape juice?:rolleyes:

Rev. Hart: Oh, definitely. We learn from the Bible that intoxicating beverages are habit-forming (Proverbs 23.35), result in violence (Proverbs 4.17), and distract its imbibers from God (Amos 6.6).

kasalt
10-12-2009, 10:55 PM
Why would Paul give permission to Timothy to drink fermented grape juice?:rolleyes:

For his stomach problems (1 Timothy 5:23).

Jesus gave a parable involving the fermenting process of oinos in Matt. 9:17. At that time, instead of having metal or glass bottles to enclose wine, the skins of animals were used. The fermentation of the wine would break an old inelastic skin, but it would not break a new stretchable skin.



Another proof that oinos is fermented wine is the fact that the apostle Paul said, “Be not drunk with wine [oinos]” (Eph. 5:18). Paul did not mean to avoid getting drunk on grape juice! Paul instructed Timothy, “Drink no longer water, but use a little wine [oinos] for your stomach’s sake and your frequent infirmities” (1 Tim. 5:23). He said to use only a little wine, not a whole lot. The purpose of this wine was Timothy’s frequent stomach ailments; small amounts of wine can help some stomach problems.

{...}
Total alcohol prohibitionists focus on the scriptures that condemn or show the results of wrong alcohol use, but neglect those scriptures that show there can be a proper moderate use.

Outstanding antiseptic

Another use of wine that has been recognized for millennia is the antiseptic qualities of wine. The germ-killing qualities of wine are greater than the same proportion of alcohol in water – and a good natural wine is not as damaging to the flesh as some strong antiseptics are.


Jesus showed he knew the benefits of wine as an antiseptic when he gave the parable of the good Samaritan. In this case a man had been injured and had a severe wound. The good Samaritan “bound up his wounds, pouring in [olive] oil and wine [oinos]” (Luke 10:34). The oil mollified or softened the flesh; the wine helped kill bacteria.


http://www.wcg.org/lit/booklets/alcohol/biblwine.htm

harry_88
10-12-2009, 11:29 PM
For his stomach problems (1 Timothy 5:23).

Jesus gave a parable involving the fermenting process of oinos in Matt. 9:17. At that time, instead of having metal or glass bottles to enclose wine, the skins of animals were used. The fermentation of the wine would break an old inelastic skin, but it would not break a new stretchable skin.



Another proof that oinos is fermented wine is the fact that the apostle Paul said, “Be not drunk with wine [oinos]” (Eph. 5:18). Paul did not mean to avoid getting drunk on grape juice! Paul instructed Timothy, “Drink no longer water, but use a little wine [oinos] for your stomach’s sake and your frequent infirmities” (1 Tim. 5:23). He said to use only a little wine, not a whole lot. The purpose of this wine was Timothy’s frequent stomach ailments; small amounts of wine can help some stomach problems.

{...}
Total alcohol prohibitionists focus on the scriptures that condemn or show the results of wrong alcohol use, but neglect those scriptures that show there can be a proper moderate use.

Outstanding antiseptic

Another use of wine that has been recognized for millennia is the antiseptic qualities of wine. The germ-killing qualities of wine are greater than the same proportion of alcohol in water – and a good natural wine is not as damaging to the flesh as some strong antiseptics are.


Jesus showed he knew the benefits of wine as an antiseptic when he gave the parable of the good Samaritan. In this case a man had been injured and had a severe wound. The good Samaritan “bound up his wounds, pouring in [olive] oil and wine [oinos]” (Luke 10:34). The oil mollified or softened the flesh; the wine helped kill bacteria.


http://www.wcg.org/lit/booklets/alcohol/biblwine.htm

yes, wine has many medicinal uses.
Perhaps, as with a lot of older languages the meaning has to determined by the contextual use.

catch22
11-12-2009, 01:16 PM
[QUOTE=snoopsnuffleopagus;1058471546]Mo' Bettah'=Who am We?
humans :)


Youse bet your sweet bippy it is!!!

sorry im not a betting man :(


Don't be too hung up on who you are as you are not who you think you are. ;)

your ego blinds you. please take 5 grams of dried psilocybin mushrooms as you are not who you think you are.

no, more of a Complex Curiosity




Well, aren't you special! :P

not really, there is about 6 billion of us here on the planet.

peace and love

dragond
11-12-2009, 06:11 PM
So you say. And do as you like.

Then there is the knowledge that millions of brain cells die every day irrigardless. Or that every second the energy of the atom is NEW. Anyway,, a glass of wine isn't going to hurt most anyone. I say, "Eat! Drink! and be Happy!"

Then,, did you know.. ayahuasca is the body of Christ -- All eat and drink is the Body and Blood of Christ.. Jesus may have said, "Drink this" and it was wine,, but he did not say,, "What ever else one drinks is not my blood" Nor, "Whatever is eaten other than bread is not my body". So one could conclude,, All things eaten and drunk are the Body and Blood of Christ, not just bread and wine. All food is sacriment in rememberance of Him. It is possible.

For all things come from the Earth,, and the Earth Spirit is the Christ.

Whats with the cannabilistic attitute of the guy u called jesus?? drink my blood? eat my body/flesh???


D

branjo
12-12-2009, 12:31 AM
What REALLY happened.

Jesus & the Dinosaurs (Eddie Izzard ILLUSTRATED - Vol 2) - YouTube

michael christopher
12-12-2009, 01:14 AM
Turning water into wine is no big deal.

Also, the Bible condemns alcohol yet promotes genocide, so who really gives a shit what it says?

Wait, I guess billions of suckers do.

yass
12-12-2009, 03:49 AM
I believe he poured the "almost empty" kegs of wine together and added water to them. If you pour thick, syrupy wine into a glass, then add water (1:1) you end up with a light wine that tastes like wine cooler. The guests who have already consumed the strong wine (13% or so) get a lighter wine and can keep up their "buzz", (and they don't get too drunk and start passing out and throwing up) and it tastes better.

Jesus used his mind, to make water into wine.