CNN - How to live longer

[Anders Lindman]

"London, England (CNN) -- CNN.com today featured a live Webcast of The Clinic, looking at how science is making progress in the quest for immortality.

CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Dr Sanjay Gupta and world-renowned anti-aging experts discussed practical steps for living longer, and cutting-edge research that could dramatically extend human lives."

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/30/live.longer.webcast/index.html

[Anders Lindman]

Very good webcast! I'm a huge fan of aging reversal and I think this is the future for humanity. A radical shift is needed in society which today is absolutely grim. This CNN webcast is a step towards that shift.

[Anders Lindman]

Aging is a DISEASE! Some sheeple will tell you that aging is natural. Well, in that case you might as well also say that malaria is natural. :mad::(

Aubrey de Grey talks about some of these things in this presentation:

http://espanol.video.yahoo.com/watch/267007/1886052

[Anders Lindman]

Another problem with aging is that it turns us into psychic vampires. We are ALL energy vampires as long as we age biologically. So we drain each other of energy. For example in one to one relationships as Joe Slate has described.

I stay away from all personal relationships at the moment. Because I need to reduce my stress. And I'm not strong enough yet to be sucked energy from, and I don't want to suck energy from other people.

[flickflack]

Getting adequate amounts of sleep is also very important for longevity. And recently, I heard on the radio that lack of sunlight could decrease the longevity of a person.
I think that could explain why Americans live on average more than 80 years, although they don't have as good a health care system as many other industrialized countries.

[makeithappen]

we all die cause of one thing... calcification and the shells created by nano bacteria. I am learning this stuff fast and planning my 150th birthday fast !

[Anders Lindman]

My own theory is that aging is caused by too high stress levels. Animals in nature have high stress levels because they have to find food and escape being food themselves. We humans still have that same kind of stress levels, with the difference that for people in developed countries it's usually stress related to financial worries, relationships problems etc rather than direct threats for survival. Even our thoughts (at least on a subconscious level) about our own aging and death are generating high stress levels.

[Anders Lindman]

Aging is a DISEASE!

Eh, wait a minute. That's not entirely correct. :o For animals, aging is sort of natural. For humans aging HAS been natural. For the future of humanity, aging will be a disease.

And another thing I wrote is not correct. It's not aging that makes us psychic vampires. It's stress! Wild animals have very high stress levels. And if we humans would have to live among the wild animals on their terms, then we too would have very high stress levels. The unfortunate thing is that in today's world, even our so-called civilized societies are very stressful. We are still very much living by animalistic stressful principles, where life is a constant struggle fraught with uncertainty, neurotic competition, fear and protection against all kinds of threats. Not good from a stress level perspective.

[delamo1999]

"London, England (CNN) -- CNN.com today featured a live Webcast of The Clinic, looking at how science is making progress in the quest for immortality.

CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Dr Sanjay Gupta and world-renowned anti-aging experts discussed practical steps for living longer, and cutting-edge research that could dramatically extend human lives."

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/30/live.longer.webcast/index.html


Good article, but I could not help noticing that it was based heavily on scientific methods for longevity. They did mention prayer and meditation, but nothing was said about energy modalities like Theta DNA.

:confused:

[Anders Lindman]

Good article, but I could not help noticing that it was based heavily on scientific methods for longevity. They did mention prayer and meditation, but nothing was said about energy modalities like Theta DNA.

:confused:


Yes, they said for example in the webcast that people with religious beliefs live longer on average. And they mentioned some things about stress, but not much. It was very much focused on scientific progress and research on external and genetic factors for why some people live longer. I think the scientific research is good and useful. It would be good however to also learn more about inner methods and change of mental patterns. Bruce Lipton has talked about that, and Eckhart Tolle said that the aging of the body slows down when we become more present as he calls it.

I myself have become very interesting in stress reduction. I will do some more research about that. :cool:

[Anders Lindman]

I myself have become very interesting in stress reduction. I will do some more research about that.

I found an interesting scientific fact. The telomeres get shorter when we are stressed! The telomeres are an important part of the aging of cells. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSU8ftmmhmw

And it's much about our perceived stress that creates actual stress. The 2009 Nobel Prize in medicine went to the discoverers of telomerase which is an enzyme that can lengthen the telomeres (the strands at the end of chromosomes in the DNA that are needed for correct cell division). It's probably possible to activate telomerase production through the mind! The mind is like the government for the body. If the government is not working well, the body will suffer as a consequence of the detrimental mental processes in the mind (the 'government' for the cells).

[Anders Lindman]

Aging could be a massive form of what in psychology is called learned helplessness. A scientist did an experiment - I think it was a long time ago because this kind of horrible experiment would not be allowed today - where he put a dog in a cage that had one side with an electric floor giving the dog electric shocks, and the other side with an ordinary floor. Every time the dog was on the electric side and was given a shock the dog went over to the other side of the cage (no surprise there). After a while of this kind of torture, the scientist put a wall between the two sides of the cage and put the dog in the shock-giving side. Then each time a shock was given the dog tried to move over to the other side of the cage, but couldn't because of the wall. This went on for a period of time until the dog just gave up and didn't move anymore even when being given electric shocks. Then the scientist removed the wall, and the dog still didn't move when given electric shocks. Learned helplessness!

Could aging in a similar way but on a much larger scale be a form of learned helplessness? That the whole of humanity has become so trained to accept aging as something inevitable, something we cannot do anything about, and so we therefore don't even question whether it's possible to reverse aging?

[delamo1999]

Aging could be a massive form of what in psychology is called learned helplessness. A scientist did an experiment - I think it was a long time ago because this kind of horrible experiment would not be allowed today - where he put a dog in a cage that had one side with an electric floor giving the dog electric shocks, and the other side with an ordinary floor. Every time the dog was on the electric side and was given a shock the dog went over to the other side of the cage (no surprise there). After a while of this kind of torture, the scientist put a wall between the two sides of the cage and put the dog in the shock-giving side. Then each time a shock was given the dog tried to move over to the other side of the cage, but couldn't because of the wall. This went on for a period of time until the dog just gave up and didn't move anymore even when being given electric shocks. Then the scientist removed the wall, and the dog still didn't move when given electric shocks. Learned helplessness!

Could aging in a similar way but on a much larger scale be a form of learned helplessness? That the whole of humanity has become so trained to accept aging as something inevitable, something we cannot do anything about, and so we therefore don't even question whether it's possible to reverse aging?


This makes sense. Look at how people are treated in our society. First we work jobs that we work for someone else and many cases for people who treat us badly. Then our society basically brushes off our elders. By the time that retirement time comes, they are basically branded as being useless and then put on various chemical meds. Also many families choose to place their loved ones into skilled cared facilities because they are too afraid to care for them. With all of this, I can see how one would develop a belief system of helplessness.

Good analogy Anders.

:)

[whitenight639]

who in there right mind would want to spend more yrs in this shit hole of a reality?

n even if you never aged ud eventually die in a car accident or other horrific accident, id rather just have my 60 odd yrs then call it quits thanks.

I dont think science will ever be able to extend lives much longer, as we dont all live in a lab and are exposed to all sorts of poisons in modern day life.

[Anders Lindman]

This makes sense. Look at how people are treated in our society. First we work jobs that we work for someone else and many cases for people who treat us badly. Then our society basically brushes off our elders. By the time that retirement time comes, they are basically branded as being useless and then put on various chemical meds. Also many families choose to place their loved ones into skilled cared facilities because they are too afraid to care for them. With all of this, I can see how one would develop a belief system of helplessness.

Good analogy Anders.

:)

Yes, it's like in the Matrix movie where the machines have turned humans into batteries. To be used and abused, sucked dry and then thrown into the dustbin. Humans have become products to serve the System. It's time to turn that around so that the System starts to serve humanity.

[Anders Lindman]

who in there right mind would want to spend more yrs in this shit hole of a reality?

n even if you never aged ud eventually die in a car accident or other horrific accident, id rather just have my 60 odd yrs then call it quits thanks.

I dont think science will ever be able to extend lives much longer, as we dont all live in a lab and are exposed to all sorts of poisons in modern day life.

Good point about the current state of the world. If the world remains as oppressive and horrible as it is today, then I too wouldn't want to live too long here. So in addition to living longer I want my life to become much better and the world improved a lot. They said in the webcast that by tackling the problem of aging they also tackle the problem of disease (especially things like cancer and cardiovascular diseases). They also talked about REVERSING aging. That's key for me. One example they gave was having an actual age of 90 years but a biological body that is like that of a 30-year-old.

[Anders Lindman]

Probably many people see the idea of reversing aging as a threat because they have invested their whole lives in the idea of aging as being inevitable. They have put all their eggs into a path towards their own aging and death. They slavishly follow their learned helplessness. Not so strange, because to change that mindset requires a massive shift in thinking.

Throw away your pension plans and piss on them. Refuse to go along with the zombie mentality towards aging and death.

[delamo1999]

Probably many people see the idea of reversing aging as a threat because they have invested their whole lives in the idea of aging as being inevitable. They have put all their eggs into a path towards their own aging and death. They slavishly follow their learned helplessness. Not so strange, because to change that mindset requires a massive shift in thinking.

Throw away your pension plans and piss on them. Refuse to go along with the zombie mentality towards aging and death.


Good point. Many people have put so much energy into their 401 k plans with their dreams of retiring so that they can enjoy "the good life" at age 65. If they were healthy and young living at 65, then there would be no reason for them to retire. In their minds who is going to believe that they are a senior citizen when they try to order a senior meal at the diner if they look 30. Also many people feel that in order for them to be "distinguished" and "respected" they need to look old; looking old is visual proof to young people that they have worked hard during their lives to get where they are now.

Definately not a belief system that I would want to have.

[Anders Lindman]

Good point. Many people have put so much energy into their 401 k plans with their dreams of retiring so that they can enjoy "the good life" at age 65. If they were healthy and young living at 65, then there would be no reason for them to retire. In their minds who is going to believe that they are a senior citizen when they try to order a senior meal at the diner if they look 30. Also many people feel that in order for them to be "distinguished" and "respected" they need to look old; looking old is visual proof to young people that they have worked hard during their lives to get where they are now.

Definately not a belief system that I would want to have.

In addition to reversing biological aging I want progress in artificial intelligence, nanotech and droids etc, that can do the tedious and heavy jobs for us. Today it's difficult to 'earn' a living as an artist for example. With improved technology, working as an artist would be a piece of cake.

[delamo1999]

In addition to reversing biological aging I want progress in artificial intelligence, nanotech and droids etc, that can do the tedious and heavy jobs for us. Today it's difficult to 'earn' a living as an artist for example. With improved technology, working as an artist would be a piece of cake.


Anders, you have me thinking about this helpnessness concept. I am going to do some meditation on it to see what blocks I need to clear.

I am liking this discussion.

:)

[Anders Lindman]

Anders, you have me thinking about this helpnessness concept. I am going to do some meditation on it to see what blocks I need to clear.

I am liking this discussion.

:)

Cool. I think it's safe to investigate such concepts. If the ideas turn out wrong, one can simply go back to the pension plans again. :D

[Anders Lindman]

The path towards immortality is one only a few have embarked. It is a choice of great compassion, for it involves lifting up humanity towards new heights. It requires a commitment of the heart, a relentless resolve against the forces of entropy. In these troubled times we stand united. Those of us with a clear vision for the future of all of humanity have a clear task ahead of us: to lead and persevere in the face of unprecedented challenges. Make no mistake. As children of God, we will remain victorious against the onslaught of darkness. The dawn of a New Era for humanity is approaching at an alarming speed. Will you fall into the trap of destruction? Or will you carry the light of creation into the future? The choice is up to you.

[curtaincat]

The path towards immortality is one only a few have embarked. It is a choice of great compassion, for it involves lifting up humanity towards new heights. It requires a commitment of the heart, a relentless resolve against the forces of entropy. In these troubled times we stand united. Those of us with a clear vision for the future of all of humanity have a clear task ahead of us: to lead and persevere in the face of unprecedented challenges. Make no mistake. As children of God, we will remain victorious against the onslaught of darkness. The dawn of a New Era for humanity is approaching at an alarming speed. Will you fall into the trap of destruction? Or will you carry the light of creation into the future? The choice is up to you.

well, i agree with you. the bible saying that Methuslah live so many years, etc, and in the past , supposedly... many did live very long lives. Not just 900 years or so.. but possibly 9,000 years or more. As the bible is very fucked up, it is possible that humans could live very long, if our DNA had not been stuffed around with.

I have read this stuff and i am not just going to dismiss it, simply because it seems to be impossible.

I am all for believing that we can do what we want if we believe it to be so.

And if you only live for 80 years or so and your body falls apart and you die, what good are you doing ? I think everyone is still a child at that age, except in body. The soul/person needs to live a very long time to be able to sort out the problems of humanity.

No wonder there are so many wars. All the agro people are still like kids fighting over toys.

[Anders Lindman]

well, i agree with you. the bible saying that Methuslah live so many years, etc, and in the past , supposedly... many did live very long lives. Not just 900 years or so.. but possibly 9,000 years or more. As the bible is very fucked up, it is possible that humans could live very long, if our DNA had not been stuffed around with.

I have read this stuff and i am not just going to dismiss it, simply because it seems to be impossible.

I am all for believing that we can do what we want if we believe it to be so.

And if you only live for 80 years or so and your body falls apart and you die, what good are you doing ? I think everyone is still a child at that age, except in body. The soul/person needs to live a very long time to be able to sort out the problems of humanity.

No wonder there are so many wars. All the agro people are still like kids fighting over toys.

And the Bible talks about the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth and also about a new Earth where there will be no death. Eastern religions talk about reincarnation, but it seems burdensome to have to grow up as a child again and again and only live for about 80 years each time, which is actually a very short period of time, especially with a body that biologically is in prime for only two decades or so. If there is suffering then it's good to not live too long, but I believe we are meant to grow out of suffering, not remain suffering.