Huge Objects Orbiting Saturn's Outer Rings?

[chattanova]

This is old news but still fascinating..

(Note - These enormous cylindrical objects were first demonstrated by Dr. Norman Bergrun in his book 'The Ringmakers Of Saturn.' You can hear him discuss these objects in our february 5, 2001 program archive -ed)

This is a 1996 series of infrared photos taken of Saturn's Rings. These were taken with the Hubble telescope. Scientists stated that from these photos in sequence they have discovered new moons of Saturn. What wasn't explained was the object's that I have marked A, B and C orbiting Saturn's outer ring. These huge cigar shaped object's are clearly shown following a definite path in an orbit along the edge of the ring. Could these be gigantic space craft or mother ships? One could speculate that these may be extraterrestrial mining ship's, harvesting some type of mineral from Saturn's outer ring. Who knows? I think we can rule out a glitch in the photography since they show up in six of the ten photos, and clearly show they are moving.

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/9/9/10/f_satm_f5778a5.jpg

http://www.rense.com/general10/huge.htm

[chattanova]

NASA's Cassini spacecraft has captured these images of clumps seemingly embedded within Saturn's narrow outermost F ring. Cassini, which is due to arrive at the ringed planet on July 1, snapped the photos on Feb. 23, 2004, from a distance of 62.9 million kilometers (39 million miles).

Two clumps in particular, one of them extended, can be seen in the upper part of the F ring in the image on the left, and in the lower part of the ring in the image on the right. Other knot-like irregularities in the ring's brightness can also be seen in the right hand image. The small dot at center right in the second image is one of Saturn's small moons, Janus.

Clumps such as these were first seen when the two Voyager spacecraft flew past Saturn in 1980 and 1981. It is not certain what causes these features, though several theories have been proposed, including meteoroid bombardment and inter-particle collisions in the F ring. Contrast has been greatly enhanced, and the images have been magnified, to aid visibility of the F Ring and the clump features.

http://img40.picoodle.com/img/img40/9/9/10/f_01sm_936d078.jpg

http://www.unexplainable.net/artman/publish/article_640.shtml

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/9/9/10/f_SaturnRingom_f2ccdcc.gif
Huge cigar shaped object clearly shown
following a definite path in an orbit
along the edge of Saturn’s ring.

http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/9/9/10/f_Ringmakers1m_185c99f.jpg
Photograph from a french newspaper, purportedly taken by Cassini near Saturn…..

[chattanova]

NASA Scientist Admits "Giant ET Craft"

This past January 30, 1996, WRXF-FM in Charlotte, North Carolina featured NASA scientist Dr. Norman Bergrun, whose book, "The Ring- Makers of Saturn," reveals that NASA's voyager space-probes of Saturn's rings took photographs of an elliptical (cigar-shaped) craft, length estimated equal to Earth's diameter, orbiting in Saturn's rings. Dr. Bergrun said that large apertures could actually be seen in the side of this craft.

Confirming data was published in the February issue of "Science News' (vol. 149, No. 5, p.71), which reported that the Hubble Space Telescope photographed a large elliptical "satellite" orbiting Saturn's rings. In a follow-up photograph, it had disappeared. Two other very big, very bright, orbiting objects were photographed May 22 and August 10, 1995, but by Nov. 21, had also disappeared. When asked why NASA had not managed to get a photograph of the huge craft previously, Dr. Bergrun said, "They have a tendency to hide." The NASA scientists said that this giant craft is apparently doing something, possibly exerting an attractive force on Saturn's rings.

When asked why NASA and other governmental agencies haven't released this information before, Dr. Bergrun answered that the 1958 Space Act states that the public will be informed regarding results of space photos and data only if it is determined that suit data are not a threat and that a craft this huge would have been considered a threat and deemed to have great military significance. Thus, it would fall under "top black-budget, military-intelligence agencies."

*Operation Right To Know, a civilian volunteer organization dedicated to ending the UFO cover-up, recently relayed an insider report that a military-intelligence agency now controls NASA.

by Richard Boylan from Perceptions August/September 1996
Operation Right To Know
http://www.cs.bgsu.edu/~jzawodn/ufo/ORTK/

http://www.ufoarea.com/nasa_giant_object.html

[tinmenace]

Another awesome thread!

Yeah, isn't this vastly more interesting that what Paris Hilton is wearing today?

[chattanova]

Another awesome thread!

Yeah, isn't this vastly more interesting that what Paris Hilton is wearing today?







LMAO :D I hope so!!

[soglad]

Yay! They've returned to take me home already! :D

[abrilliantone]

They worship Saturn for a reason. Maybe have something to do with why those ships is there.

[chattanova]

http://img40.picoodle.com/img/img40/9/9/11/f_Ringmakers2m_a8928b3.jpg

[hagbard_celine]

How long will Skeptics keep pretending it's just marsh gas!?

:mad::rolleyes:

[limelady]

How long will Skeptics keep pretending it's just marsh gas!?

:mad::rolleyes:

For as long as they continue to foster a combination of fear and
school-boy mentality, they'll only 'see' what their blinkered eyes
allow them to see.

[edit]

Bee Blog: The bee questions that bug you Alan Boyle - (http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/07/351419.aspx)
Virus implicated in bee decline BBC - (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6978848.stm)
http://www.crystalinks.com/00bee.jpg

[graflok]

Gary McKinnon (http://freegary.org.uk/), the brit who hacked into NASA computers and saw UFO-related
material, says he saw a list of "off-planet" (I think that's how it was worded)
military personnel assigned to various named ships. The ships' names were not
listed anywhere else as normal military vessels are.

Maybe these are the ships?

[hagbard_celine]

Gary McKinnon (http://freegary.org.uk/), the brit who hacked into NASA computers and saw UFO-related
material, says he saw a list of "off-planet" (I think that's how it was worded)
military personnel assigned to various named ships. The ships' names were not
listed anywhere else as normal military vessels are.

Maybe these are the ships?


Yes, they could be some of ours. Our black budget space programme is hundreds of years ahead of the official one. We've got bases on the moon and Mars, so why not the outer planets?

[chattanova]

http://img40.picoodle.com/img/img40/5/11/6/f_bumpm_5786bd8.gif

Any new ideas on this? I just can't get it out of my head... I'm thinking ancient space station. . .

[graflok]

Any new ideas on this? I just can't get it out of my head... I'm thinking ancient space station. . .

Could be a connection to the rumored fake alien invasion scenario?

[chattanova]

Could be a connection to the rumored fake alien invasion scenario?

Absolutley, but I think it would be more in the 'mainstream' then... to scare the hell out of us:eek:

[them]

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0701/ringcross_cassini.gif

[hagbard_celine]

Absolutley, but I think it would be more in the 'mainstream' then... to scare the hell out of us:eek:

But it might well end up that way. this could be the first stage. They have to make the feint of trying to keep it hidden at first; that way it looks more realistic.

[soxism]

Could be a connection to the rumored fake alien invasion scenario?


A few people have been mentioning this On the forums, and i do rememeber reading a small line or two somewhere... Could someone please Enlighten me with some information about this.

[graflok]

A few people have been mentioning this On the forums, and i do rememeber reading a small line or two somewhere... Could someone please Enlighten me with some information about this.

A staged alien invasion is said to be a key part of the NWO agenda. Search
for web for 'fake alien invasion' or the like.

One source (involving Wernher von Braun) is here:
http://evpreversespeaking2.blogspot.com/2007/03/what-future-holds.html

[yvonne]

Does anyone know what that French article says in English?

And while I'm asking...Does anyone remember some kind of a poem/creed or something that has to do with the US dollar or NWO that talks about the Lords of Saturn? I seen it somewhere on here but I can't find it now.

Thanks

[father_pyramid]

yahoo news article today:

'Flying Saucers' Around Saturn Explained

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20071207/sc_space/flyingsaucersaroundsaturnexplained;_ylt=Agb7yafEFf qs9rF6f3i70ees0NUE

Of course it could be just more lies but who knows.

[chattanova]

yahoo news article today:

'Flying Saucers' Around Saturn Explained

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20071207/sc_space/flyingsaucersaroundsaturnexplained;_ylt=Agb7yafEFf qs9rF6f3i70ees0NUE

Of course it could be just more lies but who knows.

Thanks for posting:), that makes sense, though it's a boring solution lol

[gordonfreeman]

The video won't play or show.

[chattanova]

The video won't play or show.

Just enter it from fatherpyramids post, but it isn't a video, don't know why it came as a media file in my reply:confused:

[chattanova]

More Cigar Shaped Objects in Space..

Here’s another cigar shaped object that resembles a submarine photographed by Cassini near Saturn! I’ve enlarged it for easy visibility. Now NASA needs to improve its air brushing dept, what?

http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/3/2/15/f_saturn6m_e3bd9d5.gif

Photograph (below) of a strange cigar shaped object taken by the Russian space probe Phobos II. Immediately after this, it stopped all transmissions. Was Phobos II destroyed by the alien object? Here's the pic...

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/3/2/15/f_1m_9383ded.gif

http://img19.picoodle.com/img/img19/3/2/15/f_N00022583m_4d8055b.jpg
Cigar shaped object near Saturn. Courtesy: NASA/JPL

http://img18.picoodle.com/img/img18/3/2/15/f_saturn5m_4d19d4f.gif

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/2/15/f_ufoarmstronm_4817c19.jpg

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/2/15/f_UFOCIGm_5c52b17.jpg

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/2/15/f_19238m_3d885f1.jpg
AS16-120-19238. Pic taken by Apollo 16.

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/3/2/15/f_cigar1m_5bc8795.jpg
Photograph from 1870 taken near Mt. Washington in the USA.
This photo is dubbed, "the oldest UFO photograph ever taken."
Courtesy: uforth


What do you think of this cylindrical object (below) seemingly breaking up near the Sun? A malfunction? This huge object would be thousands of miles long!! We have comets/asteroids a few km in diameter that have been named and catalogued. Why not this one?

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/3/2/15/f_pic1m_dbc6c68.jpg

posted by mikesingh http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread437208/pg1

[chattanova]

More Cigar Shaped Objects in Space.. (part II)

And here’s a composite animation by internos of the Cassini images showing an object near Saturn. According to him:

I don't know what is it, but it's clear that there's TRAFFIC there....
An Italian researcher, Gianluigi Barca, noticed these pics:

http://img18.picoodle.com/img/img18/3/2/15/f_ufosaturnn0m_02ce6bd.gif

Here’s a strange looking curved cigar…

http://img19.picoodle.com/img/img19/3/2/15/f_W00027526m_779c846.jpg

cant see it? here it is enlarged…

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/2/15/f_saturn4m_627931b.gif


http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/2/15/f_screenshot0m_50ee313.jpg

saturn.jpl.nasa.gov...

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/2/15/f_1MarsPopavim_5d26c91.jpg

Strange cigar shaped object above Mars.
Pic taken by the Russian Phobos II above Mars
Courtesy Filers Files #01

According to Dr. John Becklake of the London Science Museum the shadow is something that is between the spacecraft and Mars. He stressed that the object was seen by both the optical and the infrared (heat seeking) cameras
. The spindle shadow is inconsistent with any possible shadow cast by the moon Phobos and is similar to a giant, hovering cigar- shaped mother craft like those seen over the US.

And now check out these four images below:

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/2/15/f_PIA07716br5m_d9ce8cc.jpg

Now for the bombshell!

Scientists cannot explain all observed features. The current dilemma facing scientists is that Cassini is detecting extended objects like those pictured here.

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/photos/

And finally an image from Norman Bergrun’s book, The Ringmakers Of Saturn
taken by the Voyager spacecraft (The only image available). The cigar shaped objects are visible in the rings:

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/2/15/f_enhancedrosm_a527235.jpg

posted by mikesingh , originally thread http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread437208/pg1

[venividivici2311]

Very interesting thread,i believe John Lear said something about this in the Project Camelot interview.

[chattanova]

Very interesting thread,i believe John Lear said something about this in the Project Camelot interview.

:cool: He also mentions it on John Lear Tells All

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30524

[chattanova]

Mysterious Jagged Shadows In Saturns Rings

http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/3/4/16/kennet/f_SaturnRingsm_23aeaca.jpg

Long shadow cast on Saturn's rings is from the moon, Mimas.
But what are the short, jagged shadows in the rings?

NASA: “What's causing unusual jagged shadows on Saturn's rings? No one is yet sure. As Saturn nears equinox, its rings increasingly show only their thin edge to the Earth and Sun. As a result, Saturn's moons now commonly cast long shadows onto the rings. An example of this is the elongated vertical shadow of Mimas seen on the above right. The series of shorter, jagged shadows that run diagonally, however, are more unusual. Now Saturn's rings have been known to be made of particles for hundreds of years, but these particles have so far escaped direct imaging. It is therefore particularly exciting that a preliminary hypothesis holds that these jagged shadows are silhouettes of transient groups of ring particles temporarily held close by their own gravity. Future work will surely continue, as the robotic Cassini spacecraft orbiting Saturn that took the above image will continue to photograph Saturn's magnificent rings right through Saturn's equinox in August 2009.”

http://www.earthfiles.com/

[hagbard_celine]

Mysterious Jagged Shadows In Saturns Rings

What's casting these?:confused: It doesn't have to be a jagged object. Could just be perspective. But if it's not one of the moons could it be that mysterious object?

[chattanova]

Saturn’s Rings do The Wave

http://img38.picoodle.com/img/img38/2/6/13/kennet/f_3618122384em_99ec466.jpg

Holy Haleakala!

The thing is, it’s not just another gorgeous picture. This image — from Cassini, of course — is truly remarkable.

The first thing you should know is that Saturn’s rings are incredibly flat. If you scaled them down to the size of a piece of paper, they’d actually be far thinner than a single sheet of that paper. In fact, even though they’re about 200,000 kilometers across, they are only at most a few dozen meters thick!

But not everywhere.

Daphnis is a teeny tiny moon, just 8 km (5 miles) across. It orbits Saturn inside the broad A ring, and it’s carved a gap in the rings called the Keeler Gap. The gap is about 45 km (25 miles) across. As it happens, Daphnis has an orbit that is not perfectly circular, so sometimes it’s in the middle of the gap, and sometimes near the inner edge. Not only that, but the orbit of the little moon is tipped a bit, so sometimes it’s a bit above the ring plane, sometimes a bit below.

When it’s near the inner edge and also above the ring plane, it pulls the nearby ring particles up out of the ring plane with it. When it’s below the plane it pulls the particles down. When the elliptical motion of the moon is combined with the tilt, the gravitational interaction on the ring particles produces vertical ripples in the ring. These ripples have been predicted in the past, but now Cassini has clearly imaged them for the first time.

Here’s a closer view.

http://img36.picoodle.com/img/img36/2/6/13/kennet/f_36181223564m_62c93e2.jpg

[You can get an even tighter zoom at the Cassini CICLOPS site.]

Right now, Saturn’s tilt is such that the rings are almost edge-on to the Sun (I’ve explained this in more detail in an earlier post). If you stand outside at sunset in a flat area, you can see your shadow stretching for a long way… and the same is true at Saturn. The rings are flat, and the Sun shining almost parallel to them, so any deviation from flatness is obvious by the shadows.

And that’s what you’re seeing in those images. Daphnis is the obvious white lump in the image with the long, black, triangular shadow stretching beyond it. And you can clearly see the ripples it causes in the rings, too! To the left of Daphnis the waves are on the edge of the rings outside the Keeler Gap, and on the right they are on the inside of the Gap. This may seem weird — it threw me for a moment — but remember the rings are made of particles that are traveling at almost but not quite the same speed as the moon itself. The particles in the ring outside the moon’s orbit (farther from Saturn) move a bit slower, and inside the moon’s orbit (closer to Saturn) move a bit faster. So it’s like cars on a racetrack, catching up and passing each other. When Daphnis passes the outer edge particles it pulls on them, and as the particles on the inside edge pass Daphnis they get pulled too. The combined motions are pretty complicated, but add together to produce the effect you see here.

And what an effect: those ripples are big, from 0.5 to 1.5 kilometers (1/3 to 1 mile) high. Even then they’re dwarfed by the immensity of the rings, though, which only rams home the scale of these images.

Incredible.

Saturn’s empire of moons and rings is an amazingly complex interacting system. But the mathematics of it is predictable, since the important factors are basically gravity and the fact that the particles can collide with each other and exchange momentum. Sophisticated computer models can be made which do predict these interactions, and that has been done. These ripples were not only modeled, but predicted to occur with this size before they were observed! John Weiss — Cassini astronomer and a friend– was the lead author on a paper about this:

We thought that this vertical structure was pretty neat when we first saw it in our simulations, but it’s a million times cooler to have your theory supported by such gorgeous images. It makes you suspect you might be doing something right.

True. But of course, that’s the essence of science. Predictions aren’t terribly useful unless they’re borne out by observations, and I agree strongly with John: it’s even better when images this spectacular have your back.

Science! Pleasing to the eye and the brain.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/11/saturns-rings-do-the-wave/

http://ciclops.org/view/5682/Rippling_Shadows

[chattanova]

More Cylindrical Ufo Pictures

More Pictures from Cylindrical Ufo’s near Saturn and other various Locations.

http://moreufo.com/?p=511

[sexi_co]

How long will Skeptics keep pretending it's just marsh gas!?

:mad::rolleyes:

Or chinese lanterns.
hahahaha
Classic.

:rolleyes:

[sexi_co]

A few people have been mentioning this On the forums, and i do rememeber reading a small line or two somewhere... Could someone please Enlighten me with some information about this.


I'd suggest google-ing Project Bluebeam.

;)

[chattanova]

New Blue Stripes on Saturn's Moon Enceladus from Ocean ?

http://img36.picoodle.com/img/img36/2/7/12/kennet/f_SaturnEncelm_bb5f411.jpg
Cassini spacecraft now orbiting Saturn made a recent high resolution
image of Enceladus in a close flyby and the fresh, blue “tiger stripes” are visible
in false-color blue. Image credit: Cassini Imaging Team, SSI, JPL, ESA, NASA.

NASA: “Do underground oceans vent through the blue “tiger stripes” on Saturn's moon Enceladus known to be spewing ice from the moon's icy interior into space? The ice forms a cloud of fine ice particles over the moon's South Pole and creates Saturn's mysterious E-ring. Why Enceladus is active remains a mystery, as the neighboring moon Mimas, approximately the same size, appears quite dead. Most recently, an analysis of dust captured by Cassini found evidence for sodium as expected in a deep salty ocean. Conversely however, recent Earth-based observations of ice ejected by Enceladus into Saturn's E-Ring showed no evidence of the expected sodium. Such research is particularly interesting since such an ocean could contain life.”

http://www.earthfiles.com/

[chattanova]

Cassini Spacecraft Spots New Object in Saturn’s Rings

http://img39.imagefra.me/img/img39/2/8/10/kennet/f_gakc1o32ylfm_9d86849.jpg

NASA’s Cassini spacecraft has discovered a new object in Saturn’s rings.

By capitalizing on the angle of sunlight cast on the rings as the planet nears its August 11 equinox, Cassini captured the 25-mile long shadow cast on Saturn’s B ring by a tiny moonlet that is probably around 1,300 feet in diameter.

It’s no coincidence that the spacecraft’s rendezvous with the planet coincides with its equinox, which occurs twice a Saturn year, or every 15 Earth years. The mission was planned to take advantage of the 27 months during which the sun is directly over the planet’s equator at noon. This positioning causes any three-dimensional object in the plane of the rings to cast a long shadow and stand out.

Because Saturn’s main rings, A, B, C and D, are a scant 30 feet thick, Cassini’s cameras can’t even see them edge on, which makes it tough to spot anything sticking out from them. The equinox is the only time these objects will be plainly visible.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/08/aturnmoonlet/

[777equals666]

Honestly, having the oldest UFO photograph in history taken in 1870 and comparing it to the Cassini images of these "supposed" Ring Makers of Saturn taken 100 years later is enough for me to suggest that these cigar shape objects are not only a reality but also shows evidence of them being intelligently designed and controlled as well! :D

Great Thread.... ;)

[papiowhisperer]

This reminds me of Arthur C Clark's Rama trilogy.

[rodin]

Very interesting thread,i believe John Lear said something about this in the Project Camelot interview.

Project Camelot entertain only dodgy people never the real hard core researchers. Far too many innocent pics are passed of as 'UFO's, and also hoaxes. If there are UFO's (and I think there are) this would be a good way to discredit the phenomenon in the eyes of people less inclined to 'believe'.

One example

I just looked at the Saturn pic above your post with the 'rod' in it animated by a sequence of still frames. A rod like object moves from left to right. Because many of you are programmed to believe you no longer LOOK. You just SEE what you want.

To get out of this Talmudic bind we are in, you must learn to LOOK. I LOOKED and the first thing I notice is that in two frames the rod is longer. Also in these frames the image is lighter. Now then, what does this show you (now you have to THINK.)

[hagbard_celine]

Honestly, having the oldest UFO photograph in history taken in 1870 and comparing it to the Cassini images of these "supposed" Ring Makers of Saturn taken 100 years later is enough for me to suggest that these cigar shape objects are not only a reality but also shows evidence of them being intelligently designed and controlled as well! :D

Great Thread.... ;)

Yes indeed!:cool: I've seen that old photo and there is a resemblence.

[mikesingh]

Honestly, having the oldest UFO photograph in history taken in 1870 and comparing it to the Cassini images of these "supposed" Ring Makers of Saturn taken 100 years later is enough for me to suggest that these cigar shape objects are not only a reality but also shows evidence of them being intelligently designed and controlled as well! :D

Great Thread.... ;)

Here's another cigar shaped object photographed from the failed Apollo 13 mission. Bob Dean, a command Sergeant major in the US Army who had a Cosmic Top Secret clearance (The highest classification, 21 levels higher than Eyes Only Top Secret!), managed to whisk away a couple of photographs before they 'disappeared'. Here's one taken by the Apollo 13 astronauts near the Moon that will astound you...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/UFOsRobertDean.jpg
UFOs photographed during the
Apollo 13 mission.
Courtesy: Bob Dean.

And the close-up of that cigar shaped object:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/UFOsRobertDean2.jpg

That cigar shaped object is 8 miles long!! Is it a hoax? Most likely not. And if these huge space ships are operating near the Moon, it's most likely they have a presence there - probably bases of some sort. And that's what we're seeing in many Moon photographs as unexplained anomalies! And the radio transcripts of the Astronauts themselves. Remember what Armstrong transmitted to Mission Control?

Mission Control calling Apollo 11...:

Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there, lined up on the far side of the crater edge! They're on the Moon watching us!

Here's an infra red image of a similar cigar shaped object thousands of miles long (!!!) that has been photographed by the Hubble Space Telescope in the rings of Saturn....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/SaturnHST.jpg

This corroborates the Apollo 13 photograph of the ubiquitous cigar shaped objects in our Solar System!

Are we the only intelligent species in the universe? I think not! There are more advanced civilizations partying around the cosmos than all the grains of sand on Earth and then some!

Cheers! :D

[jamesc]

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2009/08/cassini_fring_punch.jpg


http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2009/08/cassini_fring_punch_zoom.jpg





Deep in the outer realms of our solar system, well over a billion kilometers away, something bizarre happened at Saturn’s F ring.
I mean, seriously: what the hell happened here?



This is one of the latest pictures returned from the remarkable human achievement that is the Cassini spacecraft, a probe the size of a school bus that has been orbiting the ringed planet since 2004. It’s returned one incredible picture after another, and lately — as Saturn’s orbit has brought it to a point where the rings are nearly edge-on to the Sun — things have gotten not only spectacular but also really weird.
The rings are incredibly thin, only a few meters in thickness despite being hundreds of thousands of kilometers across. Over the past few months, as the Sun shines almost straight into the rings (instead of down on them), every bump and irregularity sticks out like, well, like a tree in the desert. Weird gravitational effects from Saturn’s fleet of moons tune and resonate the countless particles making up the rings, creating beautiful waves and ripples.
But this, this is something new.

It’s not exactly clear what’s going on here, even in this slightly zoomed shot. But it looks for all the world - or worlds — like some small object on an inclined orbit has punched through Saturn’s narrow F ring, bursting out from underneath, and dragging behind it a wake of particles from the rings. The upward-angled structure is definitely real, as witnessed by the shadow it’s casting on the ring material to the lower left. And what’s with the bright patch right where this object seems to have slammed in the rings? Did it shatter millions of icy particles, revealing their shinier interior material, making them brighter? Clearly, something awesome and amazing happened here.
My first inclination (haha! Inclination! As always, I slay me) is to say that there isn’t enough material in the rings to create what amounts to a hydrodynamic wake behind a moving object. When you move through air you leave a wake behind you, but there are gazillions of particles per cubic centimeter in the Earth’s air at sea level. I would think that even in Saturn’s ring, the density of particles wouldn’t be enough to support a phenomenon like this.
But apparently, I’m wrong. Without doing a full-blown hydrodynamic calculation it’s hard to say what’s possible and what isn’t. Cassini scientists are currently doing just that, in order to better understand what this odd image is trying to tell us.
And I have to wonder: is this a common occurrence? Is this object on an orbit that intersects the rings so that it plunges up through them and then again down into them every time it circles Saturn? If so, how does that affect the rings overall, especially over millions of years?
Or was this a singular event, some small object whose orbit was affected by a nearby massive moon, changing its path, putting it on a collision course with Saturn’s mighty and vast ring system? That seems awfully unlikely…
… but when it comes to this weird, weird place, I’ve learned my intuition is monumentally inadequate. Nature, it turns out, has a far greater imagination than any mere human. We are fated, I think, to watch Nature unfold before us and try to figure it out after the fact.
But oh, isn’t that the joy of science?


http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/08/09/like-the-fist-of-an-angry-god/

[jamesc]

Large object strikes Jupiter in spectacular collision

BACKYARD SCIENCE:: An amateur astronomer beat the professionals in first spotting the impact site after a huge object slammed into the gas giant’s surface

THE GUARDIAN, SYDNEY
Thursday, Jul 23, 2009, Page 6
It was a cataclysmic event that underscored the enormous scale and terrible randomness of space: a comet, a planet and a spectacular collision that left Jupiter nursing a dark bruise roughly the size of the Earth.

The planet is thought to have been struck by a comet or asteroid — up to 2km in diameter — that vaporized on impact, creating huge waves in the gas giant’s wispy surface.

The event only came to light when an Australian amateur astronomer noticed a dark smear on the planet’s southern hemisphere while taking photographs through a telescope in his backyard.

Anthony Wesley, 44, a computer programmer who lives in a small town outside the capital, Canberra, had been spending a quiet night stargazing on Sunday, though he admits he almost took his eye off the ball at the crucial moment.

“I’m a keen golf watcher and unfortunately we [Australia] were being hammered in the cricket,” Wesley said. “I was imaging Jupiter until about midnight and seriously thought about packing up and going back to the house to watch the golf and the cricket.”

“In the end I decided to just take a break and I went back to the house to watch Tom Watson almost make history [at the Open golf]. I came back down half an hour later and I could see this black mark had turned into view,” he said.

Wesley tipped off NASA, and images taken by the US space agency’s infrared telescope in Hawaii confirmed a scar in the atmosphere near the planet’s south pole.

Leigh Fletcher, a planetary scientist at NASA’s jet propulsion laboratory in California, received the first images from the telescope shortly after 3am on Monday.

“We saw this impact scar with our first observation. It’s the most exciting thing I’ve seen in observing these outer planets,” he said.

The images revealed an extremely bright smear on Jupiter’s surface, caused by sunlight reflecting off layers of particles and gas whipped up by the impact.

“It’s like throwing a stone into a pond. The hole vanishes very quickly, but you see this splashback of material,” Fletcher said.

The scar is expected to last for around a week before high-speed winds smear it out across the surface.

Jupiter is the biggest planet in the solar system and more than 1,300 times larger than Earth. Its outer layer is hydrogen and helium, but the interior is extremely hot and dense. Planetary scientists suspect it may even have a solid core.

The closest the planet gets to Earth is 587 million kilometers and for an impact to be visible at such distance means it must have been a cataclysmic event.

“If this had happened on Earth it would be disastrous to say the least,” Fletcher said.

Millions of meteorites pass through the Earth’s atmosphere every day. Most are small and burn up as they streak across the sky, but scientists estimate tens of thousands fall to ground each year. The risk of a larger object striking Earth is almost impossible to quantify, scientists say.

Space agencies monitor the inner solar system for bodies that may present a threat, but such objects are not tracked in the farther reaches of space.

Scientists suspect they will never know the exact size and speed of the object that collided with Jupiter because it was destroyed on impact. One theory is that the planet was hit by one of the many icy bodies that swirl around it.

NASA is investigating how to use the collision to understand more about the planet. One idea is to watch how gases churned up by the impact spread in the next few days. That could reveal details about the planet’s meteorology and the high-altitude jetstreams that separate the stripes visible on Jupiter’s surface.

The discovery was made on the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing and the 15th anniversary of comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 colliding with Jupiter.

Wesley recorded the discovery in his observation log: “I noticed a dark spot rotating into view in Jupiter’s south polar region [and] started to get curious,” he said. “My next thought was that it must be either a dark moon ... or a moon shadow, but it was in the wrong place and the wrong size.”

“By two o’clock I’d come back up to the house and was sending alerts to all the people I could think of that should be looking at this and especially the professional astronomers with specialized instruments for measuring this,” he said.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/


Well, is this what it seems to be a meteorite impact , was checking NASA"s web site but cannot see anything on it.:cool:

[mikesingh]

Regarding the object near the rings of Saturn that I found quite some time ago, I managed a clearer image. Here it is. This is NOT a Moon as the object is near invisible in the original Cassini image and noticed it only after hauling the suspicious area through a few filters.

The image posted earlier...

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/2/15/f_saturn4m_627931b.gif

Enhanced...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/saturnUFO2copy.jpg

Now does this look like a moon? Or a dust particle? Or even swamp gas?!!!

Cheers! :D

[jamesc]

Regarding the object near the rings of Saturn that I found quite some time ago, I managed a clearer image. Here it is. This is NOT a Moon as the object is near invisible in the original Cassini image and noticed it only after hauling the suspicious area through a few filters.

The image posted earlier...

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/2/15/f_saturn4m_627931b.gif

Enhanced...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/saturnUFO2copy.jpg

Now does this look like a moon? Or a dust particle? Or even swamp gas?!!!

Cheers! :D

That is petty impressive mikesingh, good work there what do you make of the object that crashed into Jupiter that was discovered by an armature
astronomer who then notified NASA who then said they think it could be a POSSIBLE comet.

[mikesingh]

what do you make of the object that crashed into Jupiter that was discovered by an armature astronomer who then notified NASA who then said they think it could be a POSSIBLE comet.

Here it is...

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/jupiter/20090720/jup-20090720-browse.jpg

As to what hit Jupiter can at best be speculation at this juncture. But I feel that it may have been an asteroid pulled into the massive gravitational field of Jupiter and not a comet. If it was a comet, astronomers would have been able to observe the tail which would have been hundreds of miles long, days before it impacted Jupiter.

So it could have either been an asteroid or an explosion within the atmosphere itself due to a potent mix of atmospheric constituents. But as I said it's all conjecture as of now.

Cheers! :D

[father ted]

ScienceDaily (Aug. 11, 2009) — Thanks to a special play of sunlight and shadow as Saturn continues its march towards its August 11 equinox, recent images captured by NASA’s Cassini spacecraft are revealing new three-dimensional objects and structures in the planet’s otherwise flat rings.

From
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090810034048.htm

[chattanova]

Cosmic Journeys / Saturn's Mysterious Moons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNW4-4uq2C8

These distant outposts may harbor subsurface oceans and pre-conditions for life. A SpaceRip TV original, in collaboration with Space.com.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNW4-4uq2C8

[father ted]

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/07/saturns_pan_moon.jpg

You see, it's just a rock that looks like a UFO. It formed like that due to the rotation and the substance in balh blah blah...

Actually, this might be Atlas.

[father ted]

Hoagland's article about Saturn's moon Iapetus:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm

http://www.redicecreations.com/winterwonderland/Iapetus.gif

[father ted]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Mimas_moon.jpg

[father ted]

Promethius:
http://www.csa.com/discoveryguides/cassini/images/prom.jpg

Atlas and Pan:
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/cassini/2007-12-06/pia08405-label-browse.jpg

Hyperion:
http://www.celestiamotherlode.net/catalog/images/screenshots/saturn/hyperion__jens.jpg

Helene:
http://www.pa.msu.edu/people/horvatin/Images/Planets/saturn/Helene.gif

Telesto:
http://www.seasky.org/solarsystem/assets/images/telesto01_sk12.jpg

Calypso:
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/moons/images/PIA07633-th200.jpg

Pandora:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/vg2_4399815.gif

I'm not saying that all these are UFO's, just food for thought, and that some of these images might have been tampered with to make them look like rock.

[hagbard_celine]

Did anyone go to Beyond Knowledge and see Hoagland's live show about the structures in Saturn's rings?:eek:

[chattanova]

Enormous New Ring Found Distantly Orbiting Saturn

There's a new king of rings in the solar system: An enormous new ring has been discovered around Saturn, made up of debris from the gas giant's distant moon Phoebe.

Before the discovery of this massive ring — about 12.5 times the average distance between the Earth and the moon in width and 6 times that distance in thickness — the largest known planetary rings were Jupiter's gossamer rings and Saturn's E ring.

Astronomers have long suspected the presence of this ring, which orbits Saturn at a radius of about 8 million miles (13 million km) — 200 times the radius of the planet itself.

"There were hints that it could be there," said Douglas Hamilton of the University of Maryland, one of the astronomers who found the ring.

One such hint was the unusual coloring of Saturn's moon Iapetus, which had one dark side and one light side. Some astronomers suspected that the dark side, which looked suspiciously similar in composition to another of Saturn's satellite, Phoebe, was actually debris dust from Phoebe stuck to Iapetus' surface.

But astronomers haven't been able to detect it until now because, "this thing is just immense," Hamilton told SPACE.com. "If you look at just a small patch of it, you just see fuzziness."

Hamilton and his colleagues were finally able to see the behemoth ring with the infrared capability of the Spitzer Space Telescope. Spitzer was able to detect the sunlight reflected by the tiny dark black particles. The discovery is detailed in the Oct. 8 issue of the journal Nature.

The particles were likely created when asteroids, meteors or other bodies collided with Phoebe over the eons. While some of the particles are small enough to drift out of Saturn's gravitational grasp and into interplanetary space, others drift inwards toward the planet, where some get stuck to the leading hemisphere of Iapetus, which trawls through them. Periodic collisions replace the particles lost in these ways.

Interestingly, Phoebe and its associated dust ring travel in the opposite direction of Saturn's other rings and satellites.

The tiny particles are extremely diffuse, with only about 20 in every cubic kilometer of the ring, Hamilton said.

"If you were there, you wouldn't know you were in a ring," he said.

And because the other gas giants are known to have far-out, irregular satellites like Phoebe, it is likely that they also have similarly large, diffuse rings orbiting millions of kilometers out.

"I think this is the tip of the iceberg," Hamilton said.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/091007-saturn-big-ring.html

http://img01.imagefra.me/img/img01/2/10/8/f_1dsxmcv28gvm_af55e48.jpg

http://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/article2724215.ece

[spock]

Did anyone go to Beyond Knowledge and see Hoagland's live show about the structures in Saturn's rings?:eek:

no....but i'll have a watch now.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/30766/

[chattanova]

Puzzling Hexagon-Shaped Clouds at Saturn's North Pole

“Saturn's hexagon is a mystery on par with the strange weather conditions that give rise to the long-lived Great Red Spot of Jupiter.”
- Kunio Sayanagi, Ph.D., Cassini, Cal Tech

http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/1/12/15/kennet/f_21okvm4usexm_95927fc.jpg

NASA says it is “unclear how an unusual hexagonal cloud
system that surrounds Saturn's north pole was created, keeps its shape,
or how long it will last. Originally discovered during the Voyager flybys of
Saturn in the 1980s, nobody has ever seen anything like it elsewhere in the Solar System.
Although its infrared glow was visible previously to the Cassini spacecraft now
orbiting Saturn, over the past year the mysterious hexagonal vortex became fully
illuminated by sunlight for the first time during the Cassini visit.” See video.
Image by Cassini Imaging Team, SSI, JPL, ESA, NASA.

http://www.earthfiles.com/

[elo_zorn]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned/linked this yet, I know the topic has been discussed more than once:

http://helloearth.info/nasaconnection/nasaconnection.html

These are images from the Cassini satellite of "odd" luminous objects in and around Saturn's rings. The interest in Cassini's pictures of unconfirmed objects around Saturn stemmed from Riley Martin; a man who's claimed to be taken multiple times to a "mothership" near Saturn by benevolent, 4 foot tall, large headed, large and bright eyed extraterrestrials. His story was published as a book called "The Coming of Tan", written in the late 80's and later published in the early 90's.

[tinyint]

You guys might find this video interesting.
That is what Project Camelot avoids to mention.

The cigar shaped craft, based on some 60 year old rumors, is called the "Andromeda Gerät" ("Andromeda Device"), a carrier of discs(Vril/Hanebu) ;)

Just to explain the Hanebu, it is more commonly known as the Adamski/B.Meier "UFO" to the people from the US.

But that is a whole story in itself.

[jamesc]

"Remember the HUGE cigar shaped craft in Saturn's rings that one of the missions took pics of.. These are real pics and was widely reported in the news in places like France and hushed up here.. something IS out there.."(NOTE MY QUOTE BUT RELEVANT) , JC

http://www.mufoncms.com/files/20968_submitter_file2__southpoleobjectSky-map.JPG

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ddc2d177686e.jpg



http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ea48bddace53.jpg



* Cassini project classified, because of all the mothership activity filmed in Saturn system.
* a 1.5 mln miles off the South pole a 20 mile craft that is sat in a stationary. NASA and other organizations telescopes have been monitoring it for 8 months, they watch its trajectory to us.
It is now stationary and are craft going in and out of this 20-mile structure.
* very large planetary structure coming in 18 degrees RA of Neptune's orbit. it should be visible sometimes next year.

http://mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/manage_s...01111260632209

[merlincove]

those weather balloons sure do go a long way dont em :p

Great thread.

Welcome home Boys :D

[tinyint]

here is a link to the summary of cigar/disc shaped craft.
cigar (http://www.kheichhorn.de/html/body_ufos.html)

That is the key to understanding UFO :)

There might be other 'guys' using cigars as well :cool:

I don't know if there is a working translation engine somewhere., if not I can shortly summarize it.

Keywords for googling are:
Vril Society
Maria Ortisch(there are different spellings due to serbian/german naming)
Thule Society
SS E IV (4)
Schwarze Sonne (Black Sun)
"The Bell"

Don't let NASA fool you, they might possess these captured technologies, but they definately know what these crafts are.

[mikesingh]

Ok, here's some more. Found them on the official Cassini site as well as in SOHO/LASCO images....

http://soho.no.sapo.pt/SOHO/imagens/2005/dez/soho13dez05_e1.jpg
Image: SOHO/LASCO, 13 Dec 2005

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/20020315_1430_c2d.jpg
Cylindrical object near the sun.
Courtesy: SOHO/LASCO

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/saturn4.gif
Another of Saturn's moons? Asteroid?

Enhanced....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/saturnUFO2copy.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/SaturncraftNew.jpg
Image : Cassini - N00118731
Courtesy NASA/JPL

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3919/screenshot01lk3.jpg
Source: NASA/JPL

There's more, but thats it for now!

Cheers! :)

[elo_zorn]

Courtesy of Nasa/Cassini...
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/raw/casJPGFullS02/N00007211.jpg
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/raw/casJPGBrowseS02/N00007488.jpg
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/raw/casJPGFullS20/N00061934.jpg

[astrochicken]

here is a link to the summary of cigar/disc shaped craft.
cigar (http://www.kheichhorn.de/html/body_ufos.html)

That is the key to understanding UFO :)

There might be other 'guys' using cigars as well :cool:

I don't know if there is a working translation engine somewhere., if not I can shortly summarize it.

Keywords for googling are:
Vril Society
Maria Ortisch(there are different spellings due to serbian/german naming)
Thule Society
SS E IV (4)
Schwarze Sonne (Black Sun)
"The Bell"

Don't let NASA fool you, they might possess these captured technologies, but they definately know what these crafts are.


I'm with tinyint of this.. most likely answer is terrestrial origin based on technology perfected in 1940's germany.


Looking forward to this film coming out....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KEueJnsu80

[hagbard_celine]

no....but i'll have a watch now.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/30766/

What do you reckon?:cool:

[thefaan]

I've thought and thought about these ships, and I've come to the following conclusion:

Whatever the mass media say about the cigar-shaped ships, we should believe the opposite. We don't know the ships, but we do know the mass media.

Right now they officially don't believe in the ships but leak plenty of information, which is a game. So I will not play.

If I see that news of the ships is all over the mass media, the course will be clear because the mass media is never confusing. It's a herding machine, and takes a simple line. I won't have to be clever. If the ships get a good press, they're bad. If the ships get a bad press, they're good.

I suppose we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

[spencesmith]

I wouldn't like to say what they are. it could be anything. do you happen to know if they have been orbiting Saturn for a long time or did they just recently appear?
I think they are probably moons. They're pictures of co-orbital satellites..... tiny little moon lets sharing the same orbit.
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