A-View-on-the-End-Times-Question

[geo2]

Simply this: since the Bible is the infallible "Word of God", as we are told over and over again by TV evangelist "pastors", the End Times destruction "must occur" before we can arrive at the Happy & Joyous Times associated with Christ's supposed return to rule earth from Jerusalem. Therefore, a true believer now AWAITS and EXPECTS these great and terrible destructive events to unfold because he's been conditioned to believe that they were foretold in the Bible. And to take it a step further, the true believe is further conditioned to accept the premise that the End Times/Armageddon destruction package is God's Will.

Con artists like John Hagee or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell (now deceased) or Joel Orstein spin the same fable of the "righteousness" - if you can believe that- of the End Times scenario. They would have you accepting the insane notion that the deaths of BILLIONS of people is the "prophesied" Will of (an extremely revengeful) "God" who is clearing the decks, as it were, of all those wicked non-believers and leaving this planet in the hands of relative handful of "chosen" people to live out a thousand years in bliss and unbridled harmony with none other than Jesus Christ Himself as the top honcho running the show!

If you are willing to buy into the first part of the End Times insanity package, then you are forced into accepting the second part, the "conclusion", by default. If God Himself is orchestrating all of this earthly destruction - the Great Battles to take place on the plains of Armageddon, The Great Dying by disease & pestilence, the Great Earthquakes & Cataclysms, The Falling into the Sea of many lands, the Great Tornadoes, the Great Hurricanes, the Great Volcanic Eruptions, the Fire in the Sky, the Fire in the Lake, the Great Global Warming, the Great Dying Off of sea life, land animals, birds, etc., the Great This and the Great That- ALL in the interest of "fulfilling the prophecies," then who are YOU to interfere with His plans? Right. So the true believer does NOTHING to stop any of this or slow it down since it's "pre-ordained" by God and was "foretold" in the Bible (with more than a little coaching from Pastor So & So).

The closest analogy that I can think of to illustrate this deception is the 1936 film, The WIzard of Oz. After investing great anticipation, blind faith, and a trembling FEAR of the Great Wizard- who seemingly is All Powerful- Dorothy, the Lion, and the Scarecrow finally discover that he's merely an ordinary human mortal operating the controls of a giant DECEPTION apparatus behind the curtain. I could say the same of the British oligarchs and their minions around the world when it comes to the End Times Hoax. They are the people who are operating the controls of this deception machinery-certainly not God .

People who believe these constructs are the victims of a massive deception campaign that was put into motion over 150 years ago. There is no 'End Times 'scenario that "must" unfold according to Biblical 'Revelations'. There is ONLY the End Times DECEPTION which was CONSTRUCTED and SCRIPTED by British oligarchs long before you were born


http://educate-yourself.org/lte/endtimesdiscussion31aug07.shtml

[bigus_dickus]

what these people (and most of you) don't know, is that no armageddon and "end game" is going to happen in a day.

and here is the news: we have been in the so-called armageddon for the last millenium and we are approaching to the conclusion ;)

now is that great news or what?

[seanx]

Simply this: since the Bible is the infallible "Word of God", as we are told over and over again by TV evangelist "pastors", the End Times destruction "must occur" before we can arrive at the Happy & Joyous Times associated with Christ's supposed return to rule earth from Jerusalem. Therefore, a true believer now AWAITS and EXPECTS these great and terrible destructive events to unfold because he's been conditioned to believe that they were foretold in the Bible. And to take it a step further, the true believe is further conditioned to accept the premise that the End Times/Armageddon destruction package is God's Will.

Con artists like John Hagee or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell (now deceased) or Joel Orstein spin the same fable of the "righteousness" - if you can believe that- of the End Times scenario. They would have you accepting the insane notion that the deaths of BILLIONS of people is the "prophesied" Will of (an extremely revengeful) "God" who is clearing the decks, as it were, of all those wicked non-believers and leaving this planet in the hands of relative handful of "chosen" people to live out a thousand years in bliss and unbridled harmony with none other than Jesus Christ Himself as the top honcho running the show!

If you are willing to buy into the first part of the End Times insanity package, then you are forced into accepting the second part, the "conclusion", by default. If God Himself is orchestrating all of this earthly destruction - the Great Battles to take place on the plains of Armageddon, The Great Dying by disease & pestilence, the Great Earthquakes & Cataclysms, The Falling into the Sea of many lands, the Great Tornadoes, the Great Hurricanes, the Great Volcanic Eruptions, the Fire in the Sky, the Fire in the Lake, the Great Global Warming, the Great Dying Off of sea life, land animals, birds, etc., the Great This and the Great That- ALL in the interest of "fulfilling the prophecies," then who are YOU to interfere with His plans? Right. So the true believer does NOTHING to stop any of this or slow it down since it's "pre-ordained" by God and was "foretold" in the Bible (with more than a little coaching from Pastor So & So).

The closest analogy that I can think of to illustrate this deception is the 1936 film, The WIzard of Oz. After investing great anticipation, blind faith, and a trembling FEAR of the Great Wizard- who seemingly is All Powerful- Dorothy, the Lion, and the Scarecrow finally discover that he's merely an ordinary human mortal operating the controls of a giant DECEPTION apparatus behind the curtain. I could say the same of the British oligarchs and their minions around the world when it comes to the End Times Hoax. They are the people who are operating the controls of this deception machinery-certainly not God .

People who believe these constructs are the victims of a massive deception campaign that was put into motion over 150 years ago. There is no 'End Times 'scenario that "must" unfold according to Biblical 'Revelations'. There is ONLY the End Times DECEPTION which was CONSTRUCTED and SCRIPTED by British oligarchs long before you were born

EXCELLENT piece, Geo 2.

Should be read by every christan fundamentalist who has been CONNED by these people.

In fact, this is the probably one the greatest deception ever perpetuated on humankind.

[lifeofbrian]

what these people (and most of you) don't know, is that no armageddon and "end game" is going to happen in a day.

and here is the news: we have been in the so-called armageddon for the last millenium and we are approaching to the conclusion ;)

now is that great news or what?

Care to enlighten us more in depth?


My guess is that nothing is kept at the forefront of peoples minds or done for just 'shits and giggles', by some people.

[bigus_dickus]

Care to enlighten us more in depth?


My guess is that nothing is kept at the forefront of peoples minds or done for just 'shits and giggles', by some people.

i'm afraid i can't... it's what we call "insight" that can't be explained and i have known this for quite some time now and i really don't know how. i also feel that i know what the "beast" is, what "666" means, what the "second presence" of christ is (and not "coming", that's just mistranslation) and a bunch of other things, but it's very hard to talk about it unless the 'audience' drops all beliefs and prejudice.

[lifeofbrian]

i'm afraid i can't... it's what we call "insight" that can't be explained and i have known this for quite some time now and i really don't know how. i also feel that i know what the "beast" is, what "666" means, what the "second presence" of christ is (and not "coming", that's just mistranslation) and a bunch of other things, but it's very hard to talk about it unless the 'audience' drops all beliefs and prejudice.

OK :) Telling shouldn't feel like 'pearls before swine'. All the best.

[bigus_dickus]

OK :) It shouldn't feel like 'pearls before swine'. All the best.

it will all come clear in due time, be patient :)

[lifeofbrian]

it will all come clear in due time, be patient :)

I have my own info so am not worried. Concerned overall maybe, but not worried personally. Cheers.

[lifeofbrian]

It's all so cryptic now.

Back on topic, sorry thread-starter.

[geo2]

:) hey, do-your-thing....................... it's interesting

Freedom/Liberty

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations!:

Yachannan Ben Zabdyah(john)

1:1 In the beginning was the Plan of Yahweh, and the Plan was with Yahweh, and the Plan was Yahwehs

1:2 The same Plan was in the beginning with Yahweh

1:3 All things were done according to it, and without it nothing was done, that was done

1:4 In this Plan was Life, and that Life was the Light to Mankind

1:5 Now that Light shines into the Darkness, but the Darkness does not take hold of it.


All your queries are Illuminated in the first two(2) pages of the Book of Yahweh thread in the Religion Department.

The 'Reason' is presented in this thread.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[seanx]

The end of times deception is an attempt to put a sinister
NEGATIVE twist on the change of consciousness that is taking
place.

Such a change, if resisted may produce negative reactions -
however, this too is a natural part of the process of
transformation.

If you go on a fast, you may experience temporary discomfort,
headaches, flus if you have a lot of resistance in your body-
but these changes are good, simple and natural.

They are hearlding something positive and expansive.

However, if you think they are 'wrong' or 'negative', you may
stop your fast and MISS out on all the benefits.

That is the real purpose of this chrisitan fumdamentalist
end-of-times deception SCAM.

To get you to RESIST and fight 'these changes' - to reframe them
as something sinister and bad.

Simply to create more confusion, resistance and fear.

The same old story

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations:

I am a Messianic Yahwist, as such, I am well aware of the Doctrines of Christianity, an Erzatz representation of the Book of Yahweh. The Book of Yahweh puts forth no such message as the christians purport.

Example: It is Mankind, itself that, 'Screws the Pooch', due to Mankinds emotional and intellectual, not to mention Spiritual, retardation, immaturity.

Witness current socio-logical phenomanon currently being established in Techno-Cratic societies: Adult Adolescence. Unaccountability. Irresponsability.

Couple these 'attributes' with advanced weapons of lethality, Depleted and Non Depleted Uranium Munitions. And Mankind has already crossed important Thresh-holds, on a 'Negative' course.

The Book of Yahweh addresses these issues by presenting a method to develop a robust moral character, that would prevent these 'problems' that arise, because Mankind left to his own judgement, more often than not, will do the wrong thing. Check it out.

It is Humankind itself that has brought us to this space in time. The 'Solution' is far, far superior to the 'Status Quo'.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[king]

i'm afraid i can't... it's what we call "insight" that can't be explained and i have known this for quite some time now and i really don't know how. i also feel that i know what the "beast" is, what "666" means, what the "second presence" of christ is (and not "coming", that's just mistranslation) and a bunch of other things, but it's very hard to talk about it unless the 'audience' drops all beliefs and prejudice.



Hey bigus_dickus

I am ready to listen.
I think i know at least what one part (about second coming) means and I have some ideas about the rest.
But, i'd love to hear you elaborate on this.

thanks!