House of Saud goes to war

[coolfighter]

House of Saud goes to war
"Indeed, Saudi Arabia has fought every "ism" that has sought to dominate the Middle East, including Nasser's pan-Arabism, communism, and today's Islamism of the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, the terrorism of al-Qaida and the Shi'ism of Iran. The tools it relied upon were oil money and Wahhabi Islam. During the 1980s, Saudi Arabia spent more than $75bn on the propagation of Wahhabi doctrine, funding schools, mosques, and charities across the Islamic world in an effort to bolster its influence. A large share of these resources was reserved for its back garden, Yemen. Thousands of schools were established, covering every city and village in Yemen. Saudi Arabia created in Yemen a strong Wahhabi current that was politically and ideologically loyal to the ruling al-Saud. Indeed, Yemen's president, Ali Abdullah Saleh, used imported Wahhabism to defeat his domestic opponents – first the communists, then the Houthis – despite being a Zaidi Shia...Both the Saudi and Yemeni governments have also claimed that there are strong links between the Houthis and al-Qaida, thereby gaining American support. But the Houthis are not terrorists. Abdul Malik al-Houthi, a leader of the insurgency in Yemen's Sa'dah region, said this month that the Houthis, who are Zaidi Shia, are ideologically and strategically antithetical to Wahhabi Sunni al-Qaida...But the Saudis are unlikely to succeed militarily in Yemen. Yemen's army of 700,000 could not suppress the Houthi rebellion, despite five attempts since 2004. Now they are leaving Saudi Arabia's untested army of 200,000 men to do the job for them. And, while the Saudis are currently relying on their air force, a full-scale land battle will have to follow – on the same harsh terrain that helped defeated Nasser's battle-hardened troops in the 1960s."

Saudi Arabia goes to war first time in history (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/23/saudi-arabia-yemen-houthi-war)

By attacking the Houthi rebels of Yemen, Riyadh is ill-advisedly turning up the heat on the region's cold war

A crucially important conflict, woefully under-reported in the west, has now come to a head in the Middle East. In response to an ongoing fight that could spill out beyond the Arabian peninsula, Saudi Arabia has entered into direct war with the Houthi rebels in northern Yemen.

Saudi military intervention marks the first time in the kingdom's history that its army has crossed its borders without an ally. Previously, the kingdom engaged only in proxy wars. The Saudis used royalist Yemenis to fight Nasser's Egypt in the 1960s, Iraq's Saddam Hussein to fight Iran in the 1980s, and the US to fight Iraq in the 1990s.

Indeed, Saudi Arabia has fought every "ism" that has sought to dominate the Middle East, including Nasser's pan-Arabism, communism, and today's Islamism of the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, the terrorism of al-Qaida and the Shi'ism of Iran. The tools it relied upon were oil money and Wahhabi Islam. During the 1980s, Saudi Arabia spent more than $75bn on the propagation of Wahhabi doctrine, funding schools, mosques, and charities across the Islamic world in an effort to bolster its influence.

A large share of these resources was reserved for its back garden, Yemen. Thousands of schools were established, covering every city and village in Yemen. Saudi Arabia created in Yemen a strong Wahhabi current that was politically and ideologically loyal to the ruling al-Saud. Indeed, Yemen's president, Ali Abdullah Saleh, used imported Wahhabism to defeat his domestic opponents – first the communists, then the Houthis – despite being a Zaidi Shia.

But now this policy has backfired, with the Houthis openly rebelling against Wahhabi encroachment on their religious ideology, while themselves encroaching on neighbouring Saudi territory as they fight the government.

After four months of fighting, Saleh's domestic forces had failed to contain the revolt. So, unable to prosecute the war on his own, Saleh turned a domestic rebellion into a sectarian and security threat to the entire Arabian peninsula, thereby manoeuvring the Saudis – eager from the outset to help Saleh, whom they view as their proxy – into providing military backing.

The Saudis' justification for intervening is that their national territory is under threat. But that argument is weak, and there is no national support for this war in either country. Rather, Saudi military intervention reflects the kingdom's wariness toward a hostile Shia region on its southern border, especially given that the same tribes and sects that populate northern Yemen dominate the southern Saudi regions of Jizan and Najran. The Saudi state doubts the loyalty of its own Ismaili and Zaidi populations, whose natural sympathies are suspected to lie with the Houthis.

Southern Saudi Arabia and northern Yemen have thus become a microcosm of the broader civil war playing out in the Muslim world. But Saudi Arabia's intervention in the conflict has also turned what had been a cold war – a war of position and influence within the region – into a hot war with international repercussions.

The principal conflict is between the Saudis and Iran, which has established powerful political bridgeheads in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Gaza. Saleh played a key role in reinforcing Saudi perceptions of a dangerous Iranian security threat, thereby helping to turn the Houthi rebellion into a geopolitical conflict.

Both the Saudi and Yemeni governments have also claimed that there are strong links between the Houthis and al-Qaida, thereby gaining American support. But the Houthis are not terrorists. Abdul Malik al-Houthi, a leader of the insurgency in Yemen's Sa'dah region, said this month that the Houthis, who are Zaidi Shia, are ideologically and strategically antithetical to Wahhabi Sunni al-Qaida.

At the same time, al-Qaida has benefited from the conflict, as the chaos on the rugged and mountainous 1,500km border allows it to smuggle arms and fighters into Saudi Arabia in an attempt to destabilize the kingdom. Sunni areas of Yemen – a weak state, if not a failed one – have become a safe haven for al-Qaida.

But the Saudis are unlikely to succeed militarily in Yemen. Yemen's army of 700,000 could not suppress the Houthi rebellion, despite five attempts since 2004. Now they are leaving Saudi Arabia's untested army of 200,000 men to do the job for them. And, while the Saudis are currently relying on their air force, a full-scale land battle will have to follow – on the same harsh terrain that helped defeated Nasser's battle-hardened troops in the 1960s.

The Houthis, for their part, lack aircraft and armored vehicles, but have tactical advantages owing to their numbers, experience of the terrain, and skillful use of land mines. They also benefit from disciplined training, reminiscent of Hezbollah's activities in Lebanon.

Saleh has declared that there is no end to this war, but a peaceful solution at this stage would put the Houthis in a stronger position to win their demands, which primarily concern the preservation of culture and identity. For example, the Houthis want a Zaidi university.

Is there a way out? Qatar acted as a mediator last year, and persuaded the Yemeni government to accept a ceasefire. Syria, which enjoys good relations with Yemen, has also offered to mediate. Each of these offers was unacceptable to the Saudi rulers, who fear that submitting the conflict to outside mediation would diminish the kingdom's regional power. For this reason, Iran's offer to mediate was seen as the ultimate provocation.

So the war continues, with no immediate possibility of a peaceful solution – and with the policy failure of Saudi Arabia's military intervention eroding its position in the Arab world. The dilemma for the Saudis is that now the damage will be much greater if they do not crush the Houthis, as this would embolden al-Qaida. This is the biggest threat facing Saudi Arabia, but its rulers' ill-considered war strategy has only brought that threat closer.

[coolfighter]

Would this war trigger a regional war?

Saudi forces launch major attack on Houthis (http://www.alalam.ir/english/detail.aspx?id=88298)

Houthi fighters in northern Yemen announced that Saudi forces have launched a major cross-border ground and air attack against them on Monday.

"The Saudis began an attack along many fronts on the Yemeni border," Huthis said in a statement.

The Saudis are using "all types of ground and air weapons," including tanks, artillery, rocket launchers, Apache helicopters and jet fighters, they said.

Saudi jets bombed villages within the border on Sunday and through the night, following a failed Saudi incursion into the border.

"The (Saudi) air force began bomb and missile attacks on various villages in the Malahidh, Shedah, Hidan and Razah areas" of northwest Yemen, they said in a separate statement.

Saudi aircraft also bombed Saqin near the city of Saada, they said, as well as Saada suburbs and a central security building inside the city. Dahyan had likewise been targeted.

Sunday's attack was led by "around 50 Hummers" supported by helicopters and fighter jets, before the Saudis were repelled and "the aggressors suffered heavy losses," the Shiite fighters said.

Yemeni government launched a major attack dubbed "Operation Scorched Earth," on Houthis on August 11.

Saudi forces joined the Yemeni government on November 4.

Saudi fighter jets regularly bomb Houthi villages using phosphorus bombs.

[coolfighter]

Media blackout on Yemen conflict (http://www.alalam.ir/english/detail.aspx?id=88513)

A human rights group has warned that the media censorship in northern Yemen blocks accurate reporting on the humanitarian crisis in the Shiite-populated areas.

Heitham Manaa, the spokesman for the Paris-based Arab Human Rights group told Al-Alam that Yemeni government along with the Saudi army has launched a major crackdown on Houthi fighters in northern Saada province.

Manaa said the two-pronged war from north and south of the Saada province does not allow media reporters in.

He said Riyadh and Sanaa governments have taken advantage of the status quo and stage irregular war on the fighters, with many civilians caught in the crossfire.

Manaa also said both governments have resorted to blanket bombing of the area and use non-precision strike ammunition, which leaves huge number of casualties.

The human rights activists also criticized the Yemeni government for not allowing humanitarian supplies to the area.

However, he said some rights groups have found by-passes to the region to trickle food and medicine.

Manaa said the aid was not sufficient for the 70,000 to 100,000 internally displaced people in northern Yemen and warned the number of the IDPs is increasing incrementally.

Houthi fighters say they are defying the Sunni government's bias in the north and are fighting for their rights.

They also accuse the Saudi government of aiding Yemen in its clampdown on Shiites.

[orage]

Thanks, this war is largely unreported in the US. Not sure of all its implications yet.

[rollotomaz1]

Once the Saudi royal family start to run low on oil ther days are numbered and the USA will leave them in the lurch.

Al Arabiya report on poverty in Saudi Arabia - YouTube

All this is one of the worlds richest countries,

Poverty in Bahrain on CNN ال�قر �ي البحرين على سي إن إن - YouTube

[coolfighter]

There is a massacre going on in Yemen right now done by Saudi Arabia and The Army of Yemen backed by THE US OF A and Israel!

McCain's Yemen visit led to anti-Shia war (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=111685&sectionid=351020206)

A meeting between the Yemeni president and a US delegation led by John McCain instigated the new round of fighting in northern Yemen, a report says.

At the time of the meeting, back in August, it was announced that the former US presidential candidate was meeting with Ali Abdullah Saleh to discuss the possibility of recruiting al-Qaeda forces for the Yemeni army, the Al-Minbar website reported.

According to the Arabic-language news outlet, the meeting focused on how al-Qaeda members could be persuaded to stand by the Yemeni army in the event of new clashes with the Shia Houthi fighters in the north.

The report said that McCain had embarked on the trip to Yemen after several closed-door discussions were held about the Arab state at the US congress.

The outcome of the secret discussions was a series of suggestions that were floated to President Barack Obama, the most important of which centered on the importance of "saving Yemen" before it becomes necessary to engage in a military intervention.

However, now that Sana'a and the US-backed Saudi government seem unable to defeat the fighters, despite repeated attacks and air raids, the US and their British allies plan to deploy their forces to Yemen, the site predicts.

As a prelude to the military attack, Washington has already released "hundreds" of al-Qaeda members from prisons in Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Guantanamo and transferred them to Yemen with false nationalities, the report claimed.

The conflict between Sana'a and the Houthi fighters first began in 2004, but on August 11 the Yemeni army instigated a new wave of violence by launching a major offensive, dubbed Operation Scorched Earth, on the northern province of Sa'ada.

The government claimed that the fighters, who are named after their leader Abdul Malik al-Houthi, seek to restore the Shia Zaidi imamate system, which was overthrown in a 1962 coup.

The Houthis, however, said that they are defending their people against government marginalization policies which they say have been adopted under pressure from Saudi-backed Wahhabi extremists, who consider Shias heretics.

The Saudi Arabian government has aggravated the situation by launching an offensive against northern Yemen based on an allegation that the Houthi fighters had killed two of its soldiers on the border.

While Riyadh insists that it is targeting Houthi positions on 'Saudi territory', the fighters say Yemeni villages are being targeted with deadly phosphorous bombs, which cause massive injuries among the Shia civilian population.

As Sana'a does not allow independent media into the conflict zone, there are no clear estimates available as to how many people have been killed in the Shia province of Sa'ada since the beginning of the unrest in 2004 and in the recent violence.

The UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), however, estimates that since 2004 up to 175,000 people have been displaced by the fighting.

[guivre]

Thanks, this war is largely unreported in the US. Not sure of all its implications yet.


Yeah, definitely keep us updated.

[vera susa]

I had a thread on "The Unhived Mind", titled:

"WHERE IS THE GLOBAL POWER BASE SHIFTING TO..."

that along with the threads here:

"The NEWS Behind The NEWS"
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11956
(before my case became TOO STRONG
and the author CHANGED "HIS" 'message'),

and;

"The LYING Conspiracy INDUSTRY'S SECRET",
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86338

that SHOWS WHY The Global Ruling Elite ARE
SHIFTING their Power Base/HOME to AUSTRALIA.

The news in this thread goes further to supporting
the case I've publicly presented for about 5 years now.
A case that NO ONE has yet managed to counter, BUT
that draws GREAT ANGER from those who simply DEMAND,
that I STFU!

And that alone should tell readers that it is a case
worth exploring, but for those unfamiliar with what I do;
simply, I look at The News AND HISTORY Behind 'The News'
that points to FUTURE NEWS...and for DECADES,
both the WARNINGS and GOOD NEWS that "They" have
MOCKED and ATTACKED me for sharing,
have COME TO BE...oh NO 'boast' for me, rather,
MORE EVIDENCE as to WHY 'They' INVEST SO MUCH in
DISCOURAGING the study of what The Creator TOLD US,
FROM THE BEGINNING...

The period between
the end of the 19th century
and World War II
is considered the
"golden age" of ocean liners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_liner

Also The Period of GREAT WARS
and MASSIVE POPULATION MOVEMENTS...

Can't MOVE MASSIVE POPULATIONS
Without MASSIVE PEOPLE MOVERS...

...so WHAT IS REALLY Behind
this REAL News of The REAL WORLD...

Passengers crammed in
as boarding goes overboard

By John Beveridge

Herald Sun

November 25, 2009 08:40am

THE record for how many passengers
you can cram on to an Airbus A380
keeps going up

Air Austral –
which operates between
Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean and Paris –
has now confirmed it has ordered two A380s
in a single economy class configuration
that will seat 840 people.

That is a reasonable sized town
that can still be accommodated
in wide economy seats with Air Austral
President Gerard Etheve claiming the new planes
will have “the lowest fuel cost and emissions
per passenger of any aircraft available today”.

With the extra passengers for the single economy class,
fuel consumption will be cut to below two litres per 100km travelled,
which is better than some of the most economical cars on the road
when used by just the driver.

While some aviation experts say the jury is still out
about how successful the A380 will eventually be,
there are now 20 of the
massive planes in service
for four airlinesand

more than three million passengers
have flown on the ultra quiet machines.
Related Coverage

* First all-economy A380 on the way
NEWS.com.au, 18 Nov 2009
* Australia to outpace world in air traffic growth
NEWS.com.au, 5 Nov 2009
* Passengers attack plane hijackers
NEWS.com.au, 3 Nov 2009
* Qantas passengers stranded for 26 hours
NEWS.com.au, 13 Oct 2009
* Qantas A380 to offer Antarctica flight
NEWS.com.au, 11 Sep 2009

The plane also has a healthy order book, despite the GFC,
with 202 planes being sought
by 17 different airlines.

The most celebrated new A380 owner is
Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal,
the chairman of Kingdom Holdings,
who is the first confirmed individual
to buy the “Flying Palace”
VIP version of the massive jet.

True to his status as one of the world's great investors
and multi-billionaires, Prince Alwaleed is trading up
to the double decker plane from the world's only
privately-owned VIPBoeing 747-400.

[ozpixie]

My daughter lives in Saudi Arabia :eek:

[coolfighter]

Thousands of protesters in Istanbul and Ankara "Turkey" against Saudi Wahhabi Massacres on Yemen!

Watch here the full video.
http://www.4shared.com/file/160161877/2667ae68/25_12_2009_turkey_istanbul_suu.html

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[djhooker]

At the time of the meeting, back in August, it was announced that the former US presidential candidate was meeting with Ali Abdullah Saleh to discuss the possibility of recruiting al-Qaeda forces for the Yemeni army, the Al-Minbar website reported.


so, if McCain is recruiting al-queda, does that make him a terrorist????

[coolfighter]

They are shutting down channels on youtube who post anything about the massacres of saudi arabia!

Saudi Arabian Bombing on helpless civilians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKnHIf6179k

[coolfighter]

so, if McCain is recruiting al-queda, does that make him a terrorist????

it's called: The enemy of my enemy is my friend

[coolfighter]

damn they are shutting down many channels on youtube that broadcast any video of the massacres that going on there!

The power of House of Saud on youtube!

http://www.youtube.com/user/shiatAlyaman
http://www.youtube.com/user/sadahonline

[lottie]

They are shutting down channels on youtube who post anything about the massacres of saudi arabia!

Saudi Arabian Bombing on helpless civilians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKnHIf6179k

Ive just favourited that video on my youtube account in the hope others will see it... we'll see how long its left! :rolleyes:

[rodin]

House of Saud = House of Ziod

[coolfighter]

Media blackout, but people still can protest in turkey and show the hate crimes of the Saudi Wahhabi regime.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Saudi Arabia, Yemen's Dictators, Jordanian Commandos and Al-Qaeda jointly attacking the people of north Yemen. The only fault of these poorest people of Arabian Peninsula is they refuse to follow Wahhabi cult imposed by Saudis. These poor people are Muslims to.

[coolfighter]

New updated video shows the destruction of civilian areas done by Saudi phosphoric bombs!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[jesuitsdidit]

theres alot info this war on presstv
coz houthis n iran r both Shia Muslims
unlike the Wahabbis (v extreme Sunnis)
of which Saudi Arabia is the head..

[coolfighter]

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8954/14231182802181490674366.jpg

if you fight The Saudi-US Zioshit, they send AlQaeda after you

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6192/14231182802196490674366.jpg

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6884/14231182802201490674366.jpg

.

[coolfighter]

House of Saud and House of Obama

"Holbrooke virtually confirmed media reports that Saudi intelligence is engaging the hardcore Taliban leader, Mullah Omar. He admitted, "We would be supportive of anything that the kingdom chose to do in this regard.""

Read full article (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KK26Df02.html)

[coolfighter]

A New massacre in Saada "Yemen". Saudi Airplane targeting innocent people in the market of SAADA, using phosphorous Bombs.

‫مجزرة سوق الطلح صعدة 4 الحرب السادسة الحوثي‬‎ - YouTube

[dynamicwiseman]

who cares? Arabs killing arabs, muslims killing muslims, let them fight it out. We in the west have a lot on our plate we do not need to take on other people's problems. The Africans have the right idea, they don't like nobody, and stick to themselfs. We should do the same.

[yass]

I watched the first video... very graphic it made my stomach churn. I think the Royal's of Saudia are reptilian and in league... with other reptilian leaders against humans. They set it up, we perform for accordingly. Sickening business.

Here's a little story that's interesting, an excerpt from "The camps are real".

This was written by a woman who was a bus driver and had summer bus driving contracts with the military.
That is all I have to say about that part of the summer. Here is another note worthy event:

In late July of 1998 I was assigned to pick up 2 “Medic Units,” while another driver was assigned to pick up a “demolitions group.” We drove them to an International non-military Airport. They were dressed in their uniforms their gear was out and open. Upon meeting their commander(s) at the airport they openly discussed whether or not this trip “was just an exercise or the real deal, this time?” They were told it was “the real deal.”

As they unloaded the bus they inventoried their supplies and equipment. The list they read from seemed lengthy; they had a lot of medical equipment, the inventory seemed to indicate that some body, some place, (actually a lot of bodies) were: going to be needing intense medical care. The teams’ medical related reservists on my bus and the demolitions weapons experts on the other bus were told their "orders" were for "Africa: Nairobi, Tanzania" to be specific. So imagine my shocking surprise when exactly 8 days later, I saw them on my television, on the ABC nightly news hosted by Peter Jennings; taking care of the wounded, in the aftermath of the destruction of the US Embassies in Africa.

I put them on a plane for that area of the world 8 days PRIOR to the attack on the 2 embassies. The unit of medics I had transported departed well ahead of the event and were: in place before the detonators were fired. In fact the group of reservists my colleague had transported: had large brief-like cases that were well marked on the outside with chemical symbols and explosive device symbols. As I watched the news and read of the blast I saw the members of both groups on the news. The other driver told me to: “shut up and never tell any body.”

When I was sent to pick them up they came back with small black or blue knapsacks just like kids use for school. They were all dressed in clean street clothes like any body traveling. I was told that "there will be no return equipment" so only one bus, mine, went to transport them home. I suppose they used up all of what they took with them where I had seen them on television. Each one got picked up by a family member so I was not needed after all. I was told by my boss to circle the Airport for an hour so that we would get paid any way.

Here is an interesting thing: visit “Wickipedia” and look for: "US Embassy, Africa." There is a page about the attacks on that embassy. The information given specifically states that this particular attack in 1998: "outed the existence of Al Qaeda and Bin Laden, to the American People, thus exposing the American people to the idea of terrorism against America for the first time.”

I am telling you that I transported the medical units 2 weeks before the blasts, and watched the demolitions experts and weapons join them on the same flight. Private school buses like ours don’t keep records of such activity, wouldn't that make such an under handed event seem easier to do if there can be no trace back to source?

http://1americannotsleeping.wetpaint.com/page/The+Camps+Are+Real

[coolfighter]

Despite condemnation, Saudis insist on bombing Civilians (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=112947&sectionid=351020206)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Saudi warplanes have carried out 13 air assaults on Yemeni residential areas in northern Yemen, amid high-profile condemnation.

The fighter jest serving with the Royal Saudi Air Force launched the assaults on Sa'ada Province on Saturday and Friday, Yemen's Houthi fighters said on their website.

The aircraft released as many as 115 missiles, added the statement, which said four civilians including a child had been killed in attacks on the northern Malahit and Saqain districts.

The Nearly one-million population of the northwestern province has been caught in a fierce state-led and Saudi-aided crackdown on the Houthis. Besides incurring civilian casualties, the attacks have forced tens of thousands to flee their homes.

The Saudis have recently reinforced Sana'a's offensive against the Houthis, charging that the fighters had attacked one of its border checkpoints.

Already involved in defending the Shia minority from Yemeni soldiers, the fighters deny the charge saying they could not possibly be interested in opening another front.

The Saudi forces, fighters claim, venture beyond Houthi positions targeting the civilian areas and using unconventional weaponry including flesh-eating white phosphorus bombs.

The two governments have also blocked the shipment of humanitarian aid into the under-siege territory.

The international rights body, Human Rights Watch recently made an urgent call on the invading parties to spare the non-combatants and ensure they receive humanitarian assistance. James Ross, legal and policy director at Human Rights Watch said on Monday that "the escalating conflict in northern Yemen risks escalating civilian casualties."

[rhydra]

The focus of the industrial world is on fossil fuel, oil, using less, creating less Co2. The Saudi government is trying to use the, in my opinion contrived, email scandal to try to halt an agreement in Copenhagen. Failing that, a war in the region, perhaps dragging Iran in will cause a huge rise in the price of oil. The US will have to protect the oil reserves in Saudi, the region will be destabilised, and oil will become expensive.

Simple.

[coolfighter]

Houthis warn against 'human disaster' in northern Yemen (http://www.alalam.ir/english/detail.aspx?id=89670)

Houthis Spokesman Mohammed Abdel-Salam has warned against a "humanitarian disaster" caused by Saudi Arabia's bombing civilian areas in north of Yemen.

In an exclusive interview with Al-Alam on Saturday evening, Abdel-Salam said Saudi Arabia's raids target civilian and densely populated areas.

"The number of the homeless has increased due to escalation of Saudi attacks, and civilians, particularly children and old people suffer lack of food, drugs and shelter in the cold season. They are deprived of all kinds of humanitarian aids," he said.

The Saudi warplanes on Saturday targeted a home of a Yemeni citizen in the Saqein region, killing members of the family and inflicting extensive damage.

Abdel-Salam described as "unjustifiable" the Saudi attacks on residential areas tens of kilometers far from the battle front.

The Houthis spokesman further rejected the Saudi claims that their warplanes only target Houthi fighters, saying the "targeted areas are populated residential districts in Sa'da, Hajje and Omran regions.

Saudi Arabia has recently intensified its attacks on villages and civilian areas within Yemen border on the pretext of targeting Houthi fighters.

The Houthis say they have no interest in opening up another front against Saudi Arabia as they are only fighting against the government in Yemen.

Houthis say the government in Sana'a has ignored their plight for so long that they had no choice but to fight against injustices.

The battle in northern Yemen began in 2004 between Sana'a and Houthi fighters.

On August 11, the Yemeni army decided to launch a major offensive, dubbed Operation Scorched Earth, against Sa'ada.

The government claims that the fighters, who are named after their leader Abdul Malik al-Houthi, seek to restore the Shiite imamate system, which was overthrown in a 1962 military coup.

[coolfighter]

The focus of the industrial world is on fossil fuel, oil, using less, creating less Co2. The Saudi government is trying to use the, in my opinion contrived, email scandal to try to halt an agreement in Copenhagen. Failing that, a war in the region, perhaps dragging Iran in will cause a huge rise in the price of oil. The US will have to protect the oil reserves in Saudi, the region will be destabilised, and oil will become expensive.

Simple.

Now Let's agree on that who Created "ISRAEL" has also created "SAUDI ARABIA"? To destroy Islam and The whole middle east!

The one and only "The British EMPIRE"!

[coolfighter]

Morocco and Jordan sent elite troops to assist the Saudis in Yemen (http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2009/12/05/moroccan-and-jordanian-forces-participate-in-the-war-against-houthis/)

Spanish newspaper El Imparcial revealed that Moroccan special-forces trained in guerrilla warfare joined the Saudi forces in the war against Houthis in addition to two thousand Jordan’s special forces.

Sources confirmed that Moroccan King Mohammed VI approved a request from Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz to send Morocco professional troops to carry out operations behind the Houthis lines.

The Spanish newspaper says that Morocco military assistance to Riyadh is timed with the existing tension in relations between Tehran and Rabat – Morocco, after Morocco cut ties with Iran accusing Tehran with launching a “Shiiaism” campaign in Moroccan cities.

As for the fights on the Yemen – Saudi border, Saudi military forces are in high alert today because the Houthis want to time the opening of a new front in “Al-Jouf” area with the Shiite religious Ghadeer Festival tomorrow.

Demographically, in Saudi “Al-Jouf” there is a big concentration of Shiite Ismaili sect, who rebelled two years ago against the Saudi government to protest the deteriorating economic conditions and the lack of development projects.

Other development in Yemen. The south-Yemen opposition “Hirak” changed its name from “Supreme Council of the peaceful revolution in the south” to “Supreme Council of peaceful mobility” (short “Hasm”), getting more organized by the formation of an executive body contains a chairman, four deputies, 41 members, as well as Secretary-General, spokesman, and a Secretary General.

Original spanish version (http://www.elimparcial.es/contenido/53058.html)

[eternal_spirit]

Now Let's agree on that who Created "ISRAEL" has also created "SAUDI ARABIA"? To destroy Islam and The whole middle east!

The one and only "The British EMPIRE"!
Nah it was the Jews and Arabs. Saudi = Islam = Sharia/Koran. Don't you know a Persian Jew transcribed the Koran for the illiterate Muhammad. Compare the Talmud and the Koran and their laws, one in the same.

Destroy Islam LOL ALL 1 to 2 billion of them in most countries around the planet, get real.

You think millions of Muslim immigrants and the building of Mosques and allowance of Sharia laws courts (In Mosques/community buildings) ALL over Europe/Uk would be happening so fast if tptb wanted to destroy Islam.

Advice don't believe all conspiracies, and be weary of people with English sounding names (when they often turn out to be Mohammeds in disguise) blogging bullshit and disinfo.

PS Muhammad's empire goes back to not long after Islam was founded.

[eternal_spirit]

Morocco and Jordan sent elite troops to assist the Saudis in Yemen (http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2009/12/05/moroccan-and-jordanian-forces-participate-in-the-war-against-houthis/)

Spanish newspaper El Imparcial revealed that Moroccan special-forces trained in guerrilla warfare joined the Saudi forces in the war against Houthis in addition to two thousand Jordan’s special forces.

Sources confirmed that Moroccan King Mohammed VI approved a request from Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz to send Morocco professional troops to carry out operations behind the Houthis lines.

The Spanish newspaper says that Morocco military assistance to Riyadh is timed with the existing tension in relations between Tehran and Rabat – Morocco, after Morocco cut ties with Iran accusing Tehran with launching a “Shiiaism” campaign in Moroccan cities.

As for the fights on the Yemen – Saudi border, Saudi military forces are in high alert today because the Houthis want to time the opening of a new front in “Al-Jouf” area with the Shiite religious Ghadeer Festival tomorrow.

Demographically, in Saudi “Al-Jouf” there is a big concentration of Shiite Ismaili sect, who rebelled two years ago against the Saudi government to protest the deteriorating economic conditions and the lack of development projects.

Other development in Yemen. The south-Yemen opposition “Hirak” changed its name from “Supreme Council of the peaceful revolution in the south” to “Supreme Council of peaceful mobility” (short “Hasm”), getting more organized by the formation of an executive body contains a chairman, four deputies, 41 members, as well as Secretary-General, spokesman, and a Secretary General.

Original spanish version (http://www.elimparcial.es/contenido/53058.html)
Yemen - Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.

Islamisation is happening in many African countries.

Do you know what caused the shcizm between Shia and Sunnis? I can post the history later.
Not long after Islam was founded.

Damn Brits

United Press International
October 10, 1986
MOSLEMS IN BUCKINGHAM PALACE


Mixed in with Queen Elizabeth's blue blood is the blood of the Moslem prophet Mohammed, according to Burke's Peerage, the geneological guide to royalty. The relation came out when Harold B. Brooks-Baker, publishing director of Burke's, wrote Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to ask for better security for the royal family. ''The royal family's direct descent from the prophet Mohammed cannot be relied upon to protect the royal family forever from Moslem terrorists,'' he said. Probably realizing the connection would be a surprise to many, he added, ''It is little known by the British people that the blood of Mohammed flows in the veins of the queen. However, all Moslem religious leaders are proud of this fact.''

Brooks-Baker said the British royal family is descended from Mohammed through the Arab kings of Seville, who once ruled Spain. By marriage, their blood passed to the European kings of Portugal and Castille, and through them to England's 15th century King Edward IV. '




Israel is not a member (of the Arab League) despite 20% of its population being of Arab origin, nearly half the Jewish population being descended from Jews from Arab countries, and Arabic being an official language.

League (Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language): الجامعة العربية‎ al-Jāmiʻa al-ʻArabiyya), officially called the League of Arab States (Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language): جامعة الدول العربية‎ Jāmiʻat ad-Duwal al-ʻArabiyya), is a regional organization of Arab states in Southwest Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Asia), and North (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Africa) and Northeast Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_of_Africa). It was formed in Cairo on March 22, 1945 with six members: Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt), Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq), Transjordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transjordan) (renamed Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan) after 1946), Lebanon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon), Saudi Arabia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia), and Syria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria). Yemen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen) joined as a member on May 5, 1945. The Arab League currently has 22 members (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_League#Members_and_dates). The main goal of the league is to "draw closer the relations between member States and co-ordinate collaboration between them, to safeguard their independence and sovereignty, and to consider in a general way the affairs

[rodin]

THE SAUDI DYNASTY: FROM WHERE IS IT? AND WHO IS THE REAL ANCESTOR OF THIS FAMILY?

RESEARCH AND PRESENTATION OF: MOHAMMAD SAKHER , who was ordered killed by the Saudi Regime for the following findings:

1. Are the Saudi Family members belonging to the Tribe of ANZA BEN WA'EL as they allege to be? 2. Is Islam their actual religion? 3. Are they of an ARAB ORIGIN at all?.....

That was and still is the system of this Regime of the JEWISH FAMILY (SAUDI FAMILY): All its goals are : plundering the wealth of the country, robbing, falsifying, and committing all kinds of atrocity, iniquity, and blasphemy-all are executed in compliance with their self invented Wahabi Sect which legalizes the chopping of the heads of their opposing subjects.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Saudi-royal-family

more

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84841

[coolfighter]

Saudi rockets kill Shia civilians in N Yemen (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=113014&sectionid=351020206)

Saudi military has reportedly killed several civilians in its latest round of land and air attacks on the Shia-populated northern Yemen.

The mortalities included several children, said the Shia Houthi fighters who have been resisting fierce state-led offensives as well as attacks by Saudi armed forces in the northwestern Sa'ada province.

Reporting on the conflict on their website, the resistance fighters said they had foiled a Saudi incursion into northern Yemen. The Saudi soldiers then reacted by firing a dozen rockets at villages at Mount Al-Dukhan and surrounding areas.

The Saudi shelling continued overnight, according to the source.

The fighters are accused by the government of seeking to reestablish a clerical rule, overthrown in a 1962 coup, a charge rejected by the Shia resistance, who maintain that the central government is widely corrupt and bent on violating their basic civil rights.

Riyadh, which has recently joined the offensives against the Houthis by Sana'a, has also claimed that the fighters had attacked one of its border checkpoints.

The Houthis, on the other hand, condemn the government's armed campaign as a marginalization attempt which is backed by the Saudi-backed Wahhabi extremists.

Wahhabism, an extremely intolerant interpretation of Islam, is the official religion in Saudi Arabia. The Kingdom has been facing criticism from its own Shia population over the widespread discrimination against them.

The Saudi Wahhabism, also known as Salafism, has been accused of fueling and funding terrorism against Shia Muslims as well as others across the world.

On Friday, the Human Rights Watch, an international rights group, voiced concern over the civilians caught in the north Yemen conflict.

Raising the prospects of a humanitarian crisis in the violence-torn area, the UN figures indicate that the offensives have displaced some 175,000 civilians who suffer from severe malnutrition.

The Al-Mazraq camp in the western Yemeni province of Hajjah, south of Sa'ada, receives more than 900 new refugees every day.

[coolfighter]

(SAUDI FAMILY): All its goals are : plundering the wealth of the country, robbing, falsifying, and committing all kinds of atrocity, iniquity, and blasphemy-all are executed in compliance with their self invented Wahabi Sect which legalizes the chopping of the heads of their opposing subjects.

Thank you! cheers!

[zmanforever]

wow I live in New York and not once have the NWO controlled media said anything about this tragedy.

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by rodin http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1058463392#post1058463392)
(SAUDI FAMILY): All its goals are : plundering the wealth of the country, robbing, falsifying, and committing all kinds of atrocity, iniquity, and blasphemy-all are executed in compliance with their self invented Wahabi Sect which legalizes the chopping of the heads of their opposing subjects.


That's all in accordance with Islamic Laws and what Muhammad and his descendants where all about. It's totally Islamic.
They (different sects) can't agree who is legitimate rulers out of the 4 caliphs descendants, Shia (shiites) say it's only one Caliph who was related to Muhammad via Ali and Hussein, Sunnis believe that Caliph is not the rightful ruler, but the other 3 caliphs related to Muhammed are!

Wahhabi, named after its founder, ibn Abd al-Wahhab (1703-92), which emerged in Arabia in the 18th century and became a vast revivalist movement with offshoots throughout the Muslim world. The Wahhabi movement aimed at reviving Islam by purifying it of un-Islamic influences, particularly those that had compromised its original monotheism, and by authority of the tradition established by the early idealized community.....

[eternal_spirit]

Do you know what caused the shcizm between Shia and Sunnis? I can post the history later.
Not long after Islam was founded.


recalling how the 7th-century Shiite Muslim saint, Imam Hussein, was decapitated, his head placed on a lance.

In the Ashura rites, Shiites march in huge processions, beating their chests in mourning for Hussein's martyrdom at Karbala -- a city in present-day Iraq -- in A.D. 680. The most fervent cut themselves with swords or razors or lash themselves with razor-lined chains to draw blood.
The bloodletting is a reminder of Hussein's suffering, as well as punishment for the failure of Muslims to help Hussein in his battle against Islamic ruler Yazid, leader of what became the majority Sunni branch of Islam.
Hussein was the son of Ali, the Prophet Muhammad's cousin, who Shiites believe should have been his rightful successor. The loss at Karbala effectively consigned Shiites to minority status in the Islamic world -- and it became a symbol of the sense of oppression that runs through the sect's beliefs.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77210

[eternal_spirit]

Some 1.6 million pilgrims have come to Saudi Arabia for the haj, the world's largest regular religious gathering and a duty for all Muslims to perform at least once if possible.
Pilgrims from within Saudi Arabia are set to raise the total above 2.5 million, posing logistical and health challenges for the authorities.
Officials appealed to pilgrims to stay in Jeddah until the motorway is re-opened.
In central Mecca, pilgrims with umbrellas walked the ritual path seven times around the Kaaba, the ancient cube-shaped shrine which Muslims face when they perform their daily prayers.
Some worried they would be unable to spend the night in a tent camp in a valley in Mina as they follow the route Prophet Mohammad took 14 centuries ago.


"We are staying in tents for now. Heavy rain turned red-carpeted corridors into streams of water with empty cans of soft drinks floating," said Zohra Nasef, from Morocco and on her second haj.
Authorities have improved facilities to ease the flow of pilgrims, particularly around the area where they throw stones at pillars symbolising the rejection of the devil's temptation.



In 2006, 362 people were crushed to death there, the worst haj tragedy in 16 years.
Officials are also trying to prevent a spread of the H1N1 virus during the crowded ritual. At least four pilgrims have died of swine flu since the beginning of the haj season.
The kingdom, the birthplace of Islam, has urged Muslims over 65 and under 12 as well as people with chronic diseases and pregnant women not to perform the ritual this year.


Several countries have put restrictions on their pilgrims and Tunisia has banned citizens from going altogether.
This year, the mainly Sunni Muslim kingdom is battling Shi'ite Yemeni rebels after they raided its territory, an issue that raises fears of possible protests by fellow Shi'ite Muslims during the rituals. Saudi Arabia bans public protests, especially during haj.


Riyadh earlier this month warned against any attempt to politicise the pilgrimage. Some 1,00,000 security staff are on duty in Mecca in western Saudi Arabia.




In 1987, a rally by pilgrims against Israel and the United States led to clashes with Saudi security forces in which 402 people, mostly Iranians, died.
Saudi Arabia, a US ally which sees itself as Sunni Islam's guardian, has often been at odds with Shi'ite Iran, mainly after the 1979 Islamic revolution.
The Saudi warning followed remarks by Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to departing Shi'ite pilgrims that they could not ignore conflicts in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Palestinian territories and Pakistan.


http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_heavy-rains-in-saudi-delay-muslim-pilgrims-at-haj_1316473

They take all the money they can get from the Wahhabis for weapons, Mosques, schools, Korans etc and live by their ways and teachings in some parts of the Islamic world. And hang out at Mecca on Haj with the Wahhabis (Sunnis) annually.

[lizzy]

Nah it was the Jews and Arabs. Saudi = Islam = Sharia/Koran. Don't you know a Persian Jew transcribed the Koran for the illiterate Muhammad. Compare the Talmud and the Koran and their laws, one in the same.

Destroy Islam LOL ALL 1 to 2 billion of them in most countries around the planet, get real.

You think millions of Muslim immigrants and the building of Mosques and allowance of Sharia laws courts (In Mosques/community buildings) ALL over Europe/Uk would be happening so fast if tptb wanted to destroy Islam.

Advice don't believe all conspiracies, and be weary of people with English sounding names (when they often turn out to be Mohammeds in disguise) blogging bullshit and disinfo.

PS Muhammad's empire goes back to not long after Islam was founded.


Thankyou ES.....you have been putting the pieces of this puzzle together for quite a while now. I am learning.;)

[eternal_spirit]

Thankyou ES.....you have been putting the pieces of this puzzle together for quite a while now. I am learning.;)
Too long some here may say.
I am still learning too but consider myself sorta the resident Kafir expert on Islam, that will probably ruffle a few feathers. Which reminds me I've still not replied to scooby on the other threads.

It get's more complicated there's sects within sects, sub-sects :eek::D!

[lizzy]

Too long some here may say.
I am still learning too but consider myself sorta the resident Kafir expert on Islam, that will probably ruffle a few feathers. Which reminds me I've still not replied to scooby on the other threads.

It get's more complicated there's sects within sects :eek::D!

LOL.....yes will have to give you Kafir expert status ES and what about in rodins' thread.....

"Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran's president, joins a long list of figures in history whose possible Jewish ancestry has caused shock and surprise."

.......

that mixed it up a bit for me...:confused:

[zmanforever]

Too long some here may say.
I am still learning too but consider myself sorta the resident Kafir expert on Islam, that will probably ruffle a few feathers. Which reminds me I've still not replied to scooby on the other threads.

It get's more complicated there's sects within sects, sub-sects :eek::D!

I am muslim and just wanted to let u know the Quran says sects in Islam is "haram" meaning a sin.

I am a muslim who is born and raised in America, New York to be exact.

I am very open to any type of discussion and not fucking one of those extremist uneducated retards who think they are Muslim; so that being said no worries my fellow Icke forum members.

For fucks sake I attend a Catholic University guess I might be in trouble lol jk (but i do go to st johns =/ )

[eternal_spirit]

I am muslim and just wanted to let u know the Quran says sects in Islam is "haram" meaning a sin.

I am a muslim who is born and raised in America, New York to be exact.

I am very open to any type of discussion and not fucking one of those extremist uneducated retards who think they are Muslim; so that being said no worries my fellow Icke forum members.

For fucks sake I attend a Catholic University guess I might be in trouble lol jk (but i do go to st johns =/ )
Hope you can help with this puzzle?
Islam split into was it 73 sects (groups) but only one is the true Islam.


Muhammad claims that there will be 73 sects of Islam only one will go to Heaven the rest to hell

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also described them in the following terms: “My ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of whom will be in Hell except one group.” They said: Who are they, O Messenger of Allaah? He said: “(Those who follow) that which I and my companions follow.” This is mentioned in the hadeeth of ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr which was recorded and classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi (2641). It was also classed as hasan by al-‘Iraaqi in Ahkaam al-Qur’aan (3/432), al-‘Iraaqi in Takhreej al-Ihya’ (3/284) and al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.


“And verily, this is My straight path, so follow it, and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His path. This He has ordained for you that you may become Al-Muttaqoon (the pious)” [al-An’aam 6:153]

Guess this is why certain Muslims look upon other Muslims as Kafirs or apostates becasue they don't believe they are following or practicing true Islam.

[coolfighter]

That's all in accordance with Islamic Laws and what Muhammad and his descendants where all about. It's totally Islamic.
They (different sects) can't agree who is legitimate rulers out of the 4 caliphs descendants, Shia (shiites) say it's only one Caliph who was related to Muhammad via Ali and Hussein, Sunnis believe that Caliph is not the rightful ruler, but the other 3 caliphs related to Muhammed are!

....

Mr eternal spirit can you stop with your bollocks in this thread please!

First i am not going to argue with you about your rubbish and misleading information because i just wrote in this thread that who is responsible of all the "hate, terror in the middle east and the world" is SAUDI ARABIA. There is a massacre going on by the hands of those wahhabi salafist Saudi bastards on Yemeni civilians with their phosphoric bombs!

this thread about this war, and if you are interesting to post your bollocks about who was who, i suggest that you start your own thread!

Because what i have seen from your posts is that you agree with this war because they are same! Maybe you have their blood running inside of you!

[eternal_spirit]

Mr eternal spirit can you stop with your bollocks in this thread please!

First i am not going to argue with you about your rubbish and misleading information because i just wrote in this thread that who is responsible of all the "hate, terror in the middle east and the world" is SAUDI ARABIA. There is a massacre going on by the hands of those wahhabi salafist Saudi bastards on Yemeni civilians with their phosphoric bombs!

this thread about this war, and if you are interesting to post your bollocks about who was who, i suggest that you start your own thread!

Because what i have seen from your posts is that you agree with this war because they are same! Maybe you have their blood running inside of you!
Bill:)cks t:) ya.

You needs to know your history boy.

[coolfighter]

Too long some here may say.
I am still learning too but consider myself sorta the resident Kafir expert on Islam, that will probably ruffle a few feathers. Which reminds me I've still not replied to scooby on the other threads.

It get's more complicated there's sects within sects, sub-sects :eek::D!

You are reading the wrong books Mr.. Not everything wrote on the internet is true!

Not every book has written is true!

You are reading what according to the plan says: do anything to destroy Islam!

That's the Elite plan, Saudi plan!

[eternal_spirit]

You are reading what according to the plan says: do anything to destroy Islam!

That's the Elite plan, Saudi plan!
What gives you that idea?

Or will the Mahdi return and defeat the Dijjal;) with Christ as his side kick?

[coolfighter]

What gives you that idea?

Or will the Mahdi return and defeat the Dijjal;) with Christ as his side kick?

i repeat again, i am not talking about the practices of each religion in this thread and actually i am not interested to talk about religion at all because it's boring!

My concern is that there is a massacre right now and it should be stopped!

[coolfighter]

A new massacre just happened today!

Saudi Jets continues to commit the most atrocious war crimes by targeting civilians in cars and the bombing of Saada with phosphorous and cluster bombs.

‫جرائم الحرب السعودية Ù�ÙŠ اليمن - قنابل محرمة وغازية‬‎ - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WjgiZ6MIYE
‫من جراتم الحرب والعدوان السعودي Ù�ÙŠ صعدة - قنابل غازية‬‎ - YouTube
‫العدوان والقصÙ� السعودي على الأراضي اليمنية‬‎ - YouTube
‫العدوان والقصÙ� السعودي على الأراضي اليمنية 2‬‎ - YouTube
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[zmanforever]

coolfighter u r right and I am with u i am very sad over the media blackout here in the USA.

eternal_spirit the idea of sects is compelling u c Islam and being a Muslim has been tarnished by the media.
If u think the media fire against the Islamic world does not exist then we have a disagreement.
Like coolfighter is trying to tell u the NWO and Illuminati know that raping the resources in Islamic countries is a major benefactor of them gaining more strength.
Now please dont bring up the Dajjal for I am not concerned with this, not saying I dont slightly think it can be true. Please keep in mind who really knows what is right ad what is wrong. Someone telling another this is fact and u r fraud, and not having 100% knowledge themselves of the situation can make they themselves the falsifier.

Now back to sects as a TRUE MUSLIM u must not follow a sect, i do not even believe in sects. They are around the false Sunni Shia sects all wrong.
Never has the Quran have the words Shia or Sunni in it. This sectism of Islam is a crucial attack of the religion. They have attacked so deeply into this and not believing this would be saying Saddam didnt kill Kurds due to them being part of a sect. They dont want unity amongst Muslims! Imagine if Saudi Arabia went Venezuelan on the entire world.
Just imagine if the Islamic countries only traded and worked together for good the amount of growth from uneducated fundamentalist scum who hate others for no good reason into becoming positive people of the world and help others. Look deeply into the history and the scandals the controversies and just like I said before I can not and will not say everything I posted is 100% right, because i am studying Medical Technology and therefore my time is limited.

Now to answer u more correctly eternal_spirit

source:http://www.submission.org/islam/faq9.html

The Quran condemns all sects. All sects in Islam, whether Sunni, Shias, Ahmaddis, Wahabbi's have disagreements about hadith/sunnah attributed to the prophet. However, these same sects have no disagreements about the Quran.

It is sources of religious law, stories, conjecture, etc. outside the Quran which have created these sects. At the end of this article three "authentic" hadith have been produced about the last sermon of the prophet. The different versions/conjecture gave rise to sects.

The followers of Nation of Islam claim to be Muslim but they follow sources outside the Quran for their religious laws. The other sects of Islam ( Sunni, Shias, Ahmaddis, etc.) do exactly the same thing - they follow sources and religious scholars, instead of the Quran.

[6:159] Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with
you. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform
them of everything they had done.

[30:32] (Do not fall in idol worship,) like those who divide
their religion into sects; each party rejoicing with what they have.

[42:14] Ironically, they broke up into sects only after the
knowledge had come to them, due to jealousy and
resentment among themselves. If it were not for a
predetermined decision from your Lord to respite them for
a definite interim, they would have been judged
immediately. Indeed, the later generations who inherited
the scripture are full of doubts.

The last sermon of the prophet witnessed by the thousands has three versions. The versions the references are listed below.

1) I leave with you Quran and Sunnah.
Muwatta, 46/3

2) I leave with you Quran and Ahl al-bayt.
Muslim 44/4, Nu2408; ibn hanbal 4/366; darimi 23/1, nu 3319.

3) I leave you for the Quran alone you shall uphold it.
Muslim 15/19, nu 1218; ibn Majah 25/84, Abu dawud 11/56.

Because the majority of the Muslims follow conjecture (hadith and sunnah) instead of Quran alone (17:46) as our Creator has commanded the "Muslims" are divided into sects. These sects are there because of differences and disagreements on Hadith rather than disagreements over the Quran.

You see eternal_spirit u answered ur own question the Prophet (pbuh) said follow the Quran, never said follow my Hadiths!

[coolfighter]

They practiced the ugliest crimes and massacres against the Yemeni people in Sa'ada , atrocities will not be erased from the memory of history and memory will not be overlooked by the people of Saada.

Yemeni forces have launched a joint, Saudi Arabia and some of the forces of mercenaries and some Arab countries, indiscriminate attacks on Yemeni citizens and displaced innocent defenseless in the markets and mosques and homes in northern areas of Saada in Yemen, which converted the bodies of private citizens to the body parts were strewn everywhere, and destroyed homes and committed human crimes are unable to describe .

And provide us with the Sa'ada war is demonstrating a significant to the entire world to this silence all applicable international and Arab regimes, if not participation.

Fine international voices across the humanitarian and human rights organizations and the United Nations, to search for ways to keep the civilians, children and women and the elderly in Saada.

Since the start of the last round of fighting in the mountains of Saada, no issue of any major country, or international gathering, a clear statement demands the cessation of hostilities or securing the safety of civilians, despite attempts by some human rights organizations and humanitarian payment to the issue of global concern, but the international political forums were far to address the crisis effectively.

In the midst of this conflict between the forces of occupation and resistance to the new People find practical evidence of the reality of secretions Sa'ada wars that the main goal of importing enormous quantities of military arsenals of billions of dollars but to please the new masters of the occupation and to cover brokerage commissions and double misappropriated huge funds for arms dealers belonging to these systems.

Not only silent about foreign assaults on Arab nation, but also to the armies and other jobs centered in the threat and the suppression of these people if I thought about the discontent of their victimizers and tyrants it.

Commanders acknowledge that the mechanisms of Saud army arsenal and sophisticated military is bombing villages and cities of Yemen continued unabated, as if they are fighting the NATO forces from overseas to the occupation of Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula.

Since nearly month see and hear on the ferocity of the bombing sophisticated weapons and internationally prohibited within the depth Yemeni jewelry without any legitimate or legal or exceed international and not even clear to the roof of the fabricated lies of wallpapers that have allowed the U.S. invasion of Iraq !!!!.

There is no legal grounds based upon the invasion of Saud is a sovereign country, killing and displacement of its citizens and yet not a single damn about the international community?? This has many implications that this barbaric invasion is a proxy war for foreign powers!! Houthis who did not exceed the number 300 at the beginning of the war five years ago according to official sources, the Yemeni, we hear statements from the same sources that we hear statements a day of killing scores of Houthis elements or arrested without to get to their end!!!! As we all hear the same symphony savage from the Saudi side!!!! As we see from the side Houthi irrefutable evidence video and audio channels on the electronic networks and witnessing crimes committed by these regimes, in addition to severe siege by land, sea and air them and they are calling for delinquency of peace and dialogue.

In contrast, despite losing it out and ringing and shameful scandals still threaten the offending parties and plays drums and bombs and kill and destroy the bullies continued unabated and immoral crimes amounting to crimes against humanity, including refutes any difference between the crimes that have occurred in the wars in Bosnia and Herzegovina and the wars of southern Lebanon and Gaza and all the massacres committed against humanity by formal rules of aggression with a view to ethnic cleansing and racial discrimination, except that those wars are made by the enemies and clear and Racism's different from the victim and some of the perpetrators appear before the International Criminal Court.

The official media of deliberately Yemeni and Saudi Arabia to promote speech brimful escalating rumors and fabrications about Iranian interference in Saada behind the steadfastness of the supporters of Houthi and stunning combat strategy .. In addition to marketing lie after another about Iranian weapons and financial support from Iran, and all that would intimidate Al-Saud and inciting against the province of Saada.

It was clear for all observers of this war that Saudi Arabia can not eliminate the Houthi group.
Besides, did not stand idly by Western countries, especially America, it is offered to Saudi Arabia and Yemen satellite images of locations where men congregate in the group, Abdul-Malik al-fortifications Despite this, Saudi Arabia and Yemen did not achieve any victory in the recall, but the Saudi Arabia asked help from Pakistan, Jordan, Morocco, Qatar, Bahrain, the photograph shows more to followers of the war to Saudi Arabia in the position of the vanquished and the victor is not victorious party does not ask for assistance, but defeated by request.

Saudi Arabia asked from Jordan detachment of special forces and, indeed, reached the regiment to Saudi Arabia, on 22/11/2009, as it returned
Requests for pilots and operations officers, especially after the big defeats on the border.

The e-newspaper troops from Spain to Morocco's elite army forces involved in addition to Saudi Arabia in the aggression against Yemen. And other sources and arrival of 12 high-ranking military expert through Jordan, including 3 Israeli passports, and the names of Jordan, the team was led by Major-General Group (Nasser Ahawabuge) head of operations management from the Office of the Supreme Commander, and coordination between the Republican Guard and Special Forces and other branches of the Yemeni armed forces .

And Saudi Arabia and Yemen accuses Iran of aiding the Houthis and the pretexts of all nations defeated Israel accuses Iran of aiding Hezbollah, which Israel defeated in the July 2006 war and Israel accused Iran of aiding Hamas in the war 2008 and also Yemen, said Saudi Arabia has accused Iran of aiding Houthis this indictment was not proved by concrete evidence so far, what is the reason behind all this steadfastness of Houthi?

The answer to that is extremely easy to Houthis their demands and defend their own rights in Yemeni society, and holding up the home and their land, their people and their families, villages and desperate to defend their principles and believe that while the army is the position of Saudi Arabia and the unjust aggressor.

The U.S. and the European side strongly interested in the elimination of Houthi whatever it takes, because the success of their project in the Red Sea and South Yemen to close down Liberal Voices .. Which means that the other tables will enter a new pretexts game , it would be - perhaps - the simplest call of American to disarm the Houthi and included in the list of weapons of mass destruction.

Saudi Arabia was involved in a formal month before the war on Houthis in the north of Yemen and the consensus all her arsenal of military ground force, navy and air to strike the stronghold of Huthi who take from the mountains of Saada in northern Yemen sites holed up.

Saudi security forces advanced to the front supported by all the media trumpets of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, which constitute
Octopus large media spend billions of dollars by Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia has a military weapon, lethal .. Tornado aircraft carrying laser-guided bombs and parachute bombs, one of the most serious attack aircraft and interceptor .. And Apache helicopters, F-15, AWACS, and toxic gas bombs and phosphorous, and a variety of missiles, and all weapons of mass destruction.

Although she did not spare any of the lethal weapons in the war on Sa'ada, but the international silence towards the use of poison gas, phosphorus, confirms that there is a American, European and Arab green light ...

And follow the White House for a long time suspicious arms deals held by Saudi Arabia, with America, Britain, Germany and the Italian mafia, weapons of mass destruction, .. with the White House was keen to claim the permanent disarmament of Hezbollah, the "Lebanese resistance" and disarming the "Hamas", to be a weapon was addressed to the Jewish occupiers.

However awesomely surprised when we heard of the Saudi monarch, who says the letter that his country "will not allow an object of was that defiles inch of its territory," saying that "no options open for self-defense only, victory with pride and dignity or the certificate in the way of Allah and the homeland," and that In commenting on the invasion of the territory of Yemen.

When Yemenis become defiles of their land on which they lived for thousands of years and do not know other?? Does it attacking them, killing and displacement is a Saudi self-defense?? Think.

Is this not the same logic that Israel Zionists use in the brutal wars against Palestinian and Lebanese the original land owners?? Is it when Al-Saud win, they obtain the certificate in the name of Allah?? And winning on who?? attacking and killing fellow Muslims?? Yemeni??? Isnt this also is the same logic of al-Qaeda in suicide operations against innocent people??.

Is this Islam, which they call and they represent?? isnt, "Muslim killing Muslim is haram, his blood, money and honor"??? Is this the Custodian of the King of Saudi Arabia, which upholds the honor of the Muslims?? Is Yemenis are strangers and infiltrators to their land?? I wonder who is the terrorists here???? And who are they to attack others?? and who attack who, and where, and how??

Did Houthis bombed Sanaa, for example?? Or did they bomb Riyadh to be bombed by the army of Saud?? Or is it that hundreds of missiles and bombers and white phosphorus warheads are on a daily basis fall on civilians children and the elderly and the bereaved on the roofs of their homes, farms and lands ???!!!!

Original Article translated with g00gle (http://www.alalam.ir/detail.aspx?id=89938)

A new massacre today done by SAUDI JETS on civilians while they were sleep in their houses, click here to watch (http://www.4shared.com/file/168090800/351dc07a/_________.html) And here (http://www.4shared.com/file/168278211/61da73fe/___online.html)

[coolfighter]

Things are getting clearer and clearer.. Saudi Arabia is the center of Islamic terrorism...

'Saudi footprints in Baghdad blasts' (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=113366&sectionid=351020201)

A top official at Iraq's Interior Ministry says the terrorists behind Baghdad's deadly attacks had used explosives that came from other countries like Saudi Arabia.
Senior military officials in Iraq are pointing their fingers at Saudi Arabia over the recent bomb attacks in Baghdad which claimed scores of lives.

The head of the ordnance department of Iraq's Interior Ministry said the terrorists behind the deadly attacks had used explosives that came from other countries like Saudi Arabia.

The Iraqi government is well aware that the vehicle used in the bombing was carrying 850 kilograms of explosives, an amount which cannot have been produced inside Iraq, said Major Gen. Jihad al-Jabiri.

"It must have come from abroad," he stressed.

In a televised speech on Wednesday, Prime Minster Nouri al-Maliki, said the terrorists had infiltrated Iraq using the support and financial backing of a neighboring country.

The Iraqi premier did not mention any specific country, but informed sources believe he was referring to Saudi Arabia.

At least 127 people were killed and many others wounded in a series of coordinated bomb blasts that struck the Iraqi capital on Tuesday.

Baghdad's security chief Lieut. Gen. Abboud Qanbar was sacked following sharp criticism of Iraqi MPs who demanded an explanation from the country's leaders over Tuesday's blasts.

Maliki and his interior minister, Jawad al-Bulani, are also to appear before a special parliamentary session on Thursday to explain how the attacks jeopardized security in the heavily guarded central Baghdad.

[coolfighter]

Iraqi security officials accuse Saudi Arabia of supporting the perpetrators of bombings in Baghdad-Translated by google (http://www.alalam.ir/detail.aspx?id=90113)

Director General of the Department of counter-explosives in the Iraqi police, Major General Jihad Jabri said the elements involved in the recent bombings in Baghdad, backed by Saudi Arabia.

Al Jabri said that the Iraqi government is aware that the car which carried 850 kilograms of explosives can not be made within Iraq, but that such a large volume of explosives received from outside the country.

In this context, describes some analysts and observers, a series of recent bombings which killed 127 Iraqis and injured 450, as prepared in accordance with prior schemes.

The general director of counter-explosives to journalists: "It's a regular fireworks came from abroad, and the Baathists who did they make in cooperation with Al-Qaeda and helped a neighboring country and this needs money and very strong support from Saudi Arabia or elsewhere."

And five car bombs exploded driving four bombings, including by implementing a short time lag before noon on Tuesday in different districts of Baghdad.

Gabri continued, "The booby-trapping a small car needs to be a hundred thousand dollars, but car bombs on the buses are small, expensive and crackers are very expensive and the power of the CIA immediately after (C 4) more explosive type of dynamite TNT."

Jabri and defended strongly the detection of explosives, the British-made, and charged with "Emre military units not to use qualified persons to the checkpoints (..) did not use 80 percent of 4000 thousands have been trained" for this purpose.

The experience in front of reporters to confirm the efficiency of the device he put a quantity of explosives as well as other chemicals, issued the device signals indicate the presence of explosives and not other materials.

Deputies had noted in the emergency session of parliament on Tuesday to discuss the repercussions of the bombings that the device is marked on the food such as pickles, perfumes and others.

Al Jabri, "the device proved successful, but when used properly, it is able to detect explosives, not chemicals, grain or filling teeth or shampoo, or pickles."

And explain how to use the device, which depends on the movement of rights, saying he "does not work without wearing gloves (gloves), especially through its use because of the disruption Trdadth."

It should be noted that all users of the device at the checkpoints do not put gloves at all.

Jabri and called to "accounting commanders of units to use non-trainees" must be held accountable by all even the head of the band and imprisonment imposed (...) Thus, the account should be. "

[rashhead]

Sorry peeps, just my input :o

The problem IMO is these arab egotistical maniacs have far too much money and only need to satisfy the USA (when it suits)...

Let them crazy fookers get on with what they feel is needed (i.e. stoning themselves) :o

If they venture into our yard, then kick their asses (not before) :eek:

It's still all about clans and I'm with the honest Highlanders :p

[coolfighter]

Saudi air raid kills 70 in northern Yemen (http://www.alalam.ir/english/detail.aspx?id=90528)

At least 70 villagers have been killed in a Saudi air raid on a Yemeni village near the border with Saudi Arabia, Houthi fighters said.

A spokesman for Yemen's army, Askar Zuail, confirmed the air raids in the region but claimed they were carried out by Yemeni planes.

An Internet fighters' statement said the attack was carried out Sunday morning against the village of Bani Maan in Razeh region of northern Sadaa province.

"Saudi aircraft committed a massacre ... against the innocent residents of Bani Maan," the statement said.

According to a preliminary count, it added, the raid killed at least 70 people and wounded more than 100.

It said that Saudi planes had carried out "more than 50 raids" during the course of Sunday.

Zuail confirmed deadly air raids on Sunday, but gave little other detail.

There was no immediate reaction by the Saudi authorities to the crime.

Yemeni government forces launched an all-out offensive against Shiite Muslims on August 11 in an attempt to end a five-year combat, cornering them near the border with Saudi Arabia.

Riyadh's forces have been fighting the fighters since November 3.

[coolfighter]

'US fighter jets attack Yemeni fighters' (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=113687&sectionid=351020206)

Yemen's Houthi fighters say the US fighter jets have launched 28 attacks on the northwestern province of Sa'ada.

The US has used modern fighter jets and bombers in its offensive against the Yemen fighters, Houthis said in a statement.

According to the statement, the US fighter jets have launched overnight attacks on the Yemeni fighters, Arabic Almenpar website reported.

The development comes as The Daily Telegraph on Sunday reported that the US has sent its special forces to Yemen to train its army.

The reports of the US military intervention in Yemen come as Saudi Arabia is also lending full support to the Yemeni government's crackdown on Yemen's Houthi minority.

Saudi Arabia has launched cross-border ground attacks against Yemeni fighters and its fighter jets have reportedly dropped phosphorus bombs on Yemen's northern areas.

International aid agencies and some UN bodies including United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) and UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) have voiced concern over the dire condition of the Yemeni civilians who have become the main victims of the conflict in the country.

The United Nations which according to its charter is set up "to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace" has failed to adopt any concrete measures to help end the bloody war.

[rydeon]

Sounds like the big boys tyrant club is ganging up against the independents who are trying to stay alive!
The US shames itself lending it's elite forces to the Sauds like this
I hope Yemen can stand against this monstrosity called Saudi.
The UN is kowtowing like a puppet.

[coolfighter]

Sounds like the big boys tyrant club is ganging up against the independents who are trying to stay alive!
The US shames itself lending it's elite forces to the Sauds like this
I hope Yemen can stand against this monstrosity called Saudi.
The UN is kowtowing like a puppet.

It's a one big club and we ain't in it!

All of them actors and actresses from the same elite families and all their prime objective is: human control. Everything else is decoration, diversion and camouflage.

They need us to shut up or our fate will be like those Yemenis!

[coolfighter]

Saudi-Yemeni-US massacres in Yemen

I have been receiving links and pictures show scenes for victims of Yemeni-Saudi-US bombings in Yemen.

Children injured in sadah 12-8-2009 - YouTube


Click here to view full photos of the latest massacre in Yemen! (http://www.al-majalis.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=11049)

[lightgiver]

They need over throwing

Human rights in Saudi Arabia are based on sharia religious laws under rule of the Saudi royal family. The government of Saudi Arabia has also been criticised for its oppression of religious and political minorities, homosexuality, and women. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia ratified the International Convention against Torture in October 1997 according to the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. The Human rights of Saudi Arabia are specified in article 5 of the Basic Law of Saudi Arabia. The first independent human rights organization in Saudi Arabia, the National Society for Human Rights was established in 2004. In 2008, the Shura Council ratified the Arab Charter on Human Rights.

Male Chauvinist Pigs.


22 July 2009
We were afraid that something bad might have happened to him, that he might have been tortured. We called the prison but they would respond: "Be patient, the investigation is not finished." I cried: "Let me just hear my husband’s voice". His disappearance was so sudden…me and my family kept asking ourselves: why is it happening?

Wife of Khalil 'Abdul Rahman 'Abdul Karim al-Janahi who was arrested at Riyadh airport in April 2007.

The Saudi Arabian authorities have launched a sustained assault on human rights under the façade of countering terrorism.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/saudi-arabia-human-rights-abuses-name-fighting-terrorism-20090722

Thousands of people have been arrested and detained in virtual secrecy, while others have been killed in uncertain circumstances. Hundreds more people face secret and summary trials and possible execution. Many are reported to have been tortured in order to extract confessions or as punishment after conviction.

http://blog.miragestudio7.com/tag/tower/

[hertz]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[lightgiver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDB9yoViLjQ

This is outrageous bombing the poor again, they just have to have their sacrifices don't they,

Typical the British MSM and Al Jazeera not covering it.

that Saudi government need taking down :mad:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49022

[runciter]

that Saudi government need taking down :mad:


they have good relations with israel and the western warmongers.

the u.s. are even helping them to bomb the yemenites, i read some days ago.