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lostwonderer
22-11-2009, 09:24 PM
I wanted to know whether or not anyone has any information, regarding early Christianity and it's belief in reincarnation?
Any help, would be most appreciated.:)
nicolaj
22-11-2009, 10:45 PM
I wanted to know whether or not anyone has any information, regarding early Christianity and it's belief in reincarnation?
Any help, would be most appreciated.:)
Hebrews 9:27 tells us that "man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment...." Each human being lives once as a mortal on earth, dies once, and then faces judgment. He does not have a second chance by reincarnating into another body. Second Corinthians 5:8 indicates that at death the Christian immediately goes into the presence of the Lord, not into another body. Luke 16:19-31 indicates that unbelievers at death go to a place of suffering, not into another body.
http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/Reincarnation.html
some people like to twist scripture, mainly because they do not search the scriptures for the answers.
The gospel of St Thomas, not in the bible, has Jesus speaking of reincarnation
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen06.html
tannah
22-11-2009, 11:01 PM
The gospel of St Thomas, not in the bible, has Jesus speaking of reincarnation
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen06.html
And the whole point of reincarnation is to acheive this:
Jesus saw some babies nursing. He said to his disciples, "These nursing babies are like those who enter the kingdom." They said to him, "Then shall we enter the kingdom as babies?" Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male and the female will not be female, when you make eyes replacing an eye, a hand replacing a hand, a foot replacing a foot, and an image replacing an image, then you will enter the kingdom."
From the gospel of Thomas.
godgoo
22-11-2009, 11:03 PM
I think they are describing in a cryptic sense, EP. look at my sig.
nirvana
23-11-2009, 12:08 AM
I read once that Emperor Justinian had the bits in the bible that talked about reincarnation taken out in 1555.
So up till 1555 reincarnation was in the bible. Been looking but cant find anything on it now. It will pop up when im not looking for it:)
dedicate
23-11-2009, 03:33 AM
Early Christianity had many people who knew about Reincarnation. Jesus taught the concept to his disciples. This is why his students asked him, "Who sinned this man or his parents that he was born blind?"-- John 9:2.. Reicarnation was openly believe in by many of the poeple of Ancient Isreal and it is mentioned in the Bible as "They believed in the doctrine of the Resurection of the dead." --- Mark 12:18 et.el There have been many early Christian schools and Theologist who have taught the doctrine,,, like Origen (2nd Century AD) -- but his, like most all, "heretical writings" were destroyed,, and most traces of the schools removed.
harry_88
23-11-2009, 05:30 PM
I wanted to know whether or not anyone has any information, regarding early Christianity and it's belief in reincarnation?
Any help, would be most appreciated.:)
There is a list here: http://tenets.parsizoroastrianism.com/ReincarnationinChristianity.pdf
The most prominent is that of Dr. Geddes MacGregor, professor of Christian Theology at UCLA. His book is called Reincarnation in Christianity.You can read the book here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=k6gYHu1bRGwC&dq=Dr.++Geddes+MacGregor.++Reincarnation+in+Christ ianity&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=s4cKS47ACsKfjAfTr7j3AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=&f=false
harry_88
23-11-2009, 05:36 PM
I read once that Emperor Justinian had the bits in the bible that talked about reincarnation taken out in 1555.
So up till 1555 reincarnation was in the bible. Been looking but cant find anything on it now. It will pop up when im not looking for it:)
I think this is what you are looking for:
Under circumstances that to this very day remain shrouded in mystery, the Byzantine emperor Justinian in 553 A.D. banned the teachings of preexistence of the soul from the Roman Catholic Church. During that era, numerous Church writings were destroyed, and many scholars now believe that references to reincarnation were purged from the scriptures. The Gnostic sects, although severely persecuted by the church, did, however, manage to keep alive the doctrine of reincarnation in the West. (The word gnostic is derived from the Greek gnosis, meaning "knowledge.")
(Coming Back, BBT)
danceswithbunnies
23-11-2009, 06:05 PM
Within the Bible itself..
Matt 16:13-14
When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
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Matt 17
Where the Transfiguration occurs and Jesus talks with two "dead men"..and the disciples see it too.
Afterwards
Mat 17:9
And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Mat 17:10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
Mat 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
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Jhn 9:1 And as [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man which was blind from [his] birth.
Jhn 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Jhn 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Among others...