Evolution: The Debate

[revolutionary_jam]

Can someone outline scientifically (without any reference to any religious doctrine, be it Judeo-Christian or Islamic) the standing criticisms of Darwinism for me please, I'm interested to know about them.

[thoth]

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[mada88]

Science is a religion too with all the theroies. It's not darwins theory anyway it comes from hinduism.

[sean~infinte]

one of them is that it would of taken way longer to get to homo erectus to homo sapien when it took about a million and it should of taken 10 million or summin like tht correct me if im wrong

which where the sumerians come in a say the reppies made us using test tube methods

[john white]

Can someone outline scientifically (without any reference to any religious doctrine, be it Judeo-Christian or Islamic) the standing criticisms of Darwinism for me please, I'm interested to know about them.

go google?

But a quick summary might include:

"where's the trasnsitional forms then Charles?"

"it took HOW long to get a working eyeball, but aeons of blindness helped the creature to survive?"

"wheres the mutations leading to an increase of genetic information?"

"why are all the fossils upside down?"

"why cant we make life from primoridal soup in the lab then?"

[revolutionary_jam]

go google?"wheres the mutations leading to an increase of genetic information?"

YES! Natural Selection only really leads to an ever decreasing gene pool
they've never found any mutations in fruit flies etc. that give them a survival advantage only stupid ones like deformed wings and legs coming up from above his eyes etc.

[thoth]

Darwin never heard of a microscope, let alone subatomic particles or DNA. Irreducible complexity in biological micromachines shows that 90% of the theory is garbage. He even states in his book, Origin of the Species, that if a micro world existed smaller than that of the working systems we see with our eyes, the whole theory would collaspe. Guess what, all systems having a micro world in cells and so on. Way to go Darwin! The only part that is true is that species can evolve. So I guess he did get something right.

[revolutionary_jam]

so what happened then?

[abrilliantone]

Darwin was a disinfo agent who worked for the elite :mad:

[revolutionary_jam]

Darwin was a disinfo agent who worked for the elite :mad:

source?

[abrilliantone]

The Biggest Secret by David Icke pgs.174-175 :)

[kblood]

Yes, Darwin was according to Icke there to make sure atheism got more followers. Also Darwins books lead to slavery of the african people, since they were no more than animals anyway. Darwin made subtle references to it in his books.

Seems to me, after reading Ickes book, and checking up on the historical facts, that Darwin was there to further the beliefs of the elite. He is one of the main reasons that slavery and the british colonisation to be widely accepted among the british. Those that new about the utter disrespect for human rights that were going on while the colonisation took place, accepted it because most of them thought themselves superior.

I believe Darwin or maybe it was some other person, actually made a hierachy of the races. With the europeans being at the top of the hierachy, and negros at the bottom if I remember correctly. Either that, or that is what came after Darwins theories.

Survival of the fittest also were one of the lines that "justified" slaughtering the native americans. They were all "lesser beings" as well, so they did not really count as human...


All that said, there probably is some truth to Darwins theories. I do believe that we pass on our strength and weaknesses to our children, but I also believe that we do it in more ways than regular science believes us to. I think that we might in fact give different traits to our children depending on how we live our life. So if a football player gets a child, that child might be more likely to be athletic, or at least the grandchild might... still it depends alot on how the child grows up as well of course. I also believe there are alot of unknown factors in all this that Darwin never took in account. Havent you heard about all the fakes that turned up, simply to try to prove Darwins theories? To prove them was very important back in Darwins time, and many years after. I believe there was at least 5 years were it was believed that the "missing link" to prove Darwins theories had been found.

I think I saw most of this about him in a youtube video, but I do not remember this one. Maybe there is a link to it, in an old thread about Darwin?

[revolutionary_jam]

I don't think Darwin was racist by all accounts, others put a racist spin on his work.

I don't discount the possibility that he was a disinfo agent, I think it's more likely that he was a scientist with a theory that the elite could use to further their ends, therefor it got backing,

Remember that in his book "The Origin Of The Species" he does list a whole number of possible "problems with my theory" and I believe he even said he thought there was a divine design behind evolution.

All that said, there probably is some truth to Darwins theories.

Evidently! I mean we very clearly and demonstrably pass on our genes to our children!

Maybe there is a link to it, in an old thread about Darwin?

Personally I think the other darwin thread that just cropepd up:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9317

should be merged, there was no need for a new thread really

[mr_moon]

Who's to say that we ever existed before 'now' anyway?

We live in a multi-dimensional universe and i believe that what we are seeing, are narrower dimensions to the one we are currently experiencing.

As we develop, our consciousness expands and we are therefore able to perceive other dimensions where we once existed...

[irak]

http://nexusmagazine.com/articles/darwinism.1.html -part one
http://nexusmagazine.com/articles/darwinism.2.html -part two

here jam hope this helps .. this is by far the most complete explanation of darwin theory! :)

[rebel ins]

imo time is relative, so it doesn't exist

if you observe from subjective, human point of view, e.g. evolution of Homo Sapiens happened too fast, but that doesn't negate the evolution, but not as an ultimate process, it's just one law of the universe happening with many other simultaneously

[revolutionary_jam]

http://nexusmagazine.com/articles/darwinism.1.html -part one
http://nexusmagazine.com/articles/darwinism.2.html -part two

here jam hope this helps .. this is by far the most complete explanation of darwin theory! :)

Kl Kl! Thanks Irak, I'll be having a good look through later! :)

[revolutionary_jam]

I'm almost finished the first part and I love it so far! Thanks very much :)

[revolutionary_jam]

I loved part 2 as well,

it of course begs the question though of what created whatever created us and put us here...

[mada88]

Does anyone think DNA is un-fair?

[revolutionary_jam]

i do :( unfair that i have small hands :(