Simply THE BEST youtube vid EVER.

[girlgye]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbNIU2KEz4g&feature=related

This one's for you Platform 7. Hang on in there babes.

[simplysimon]

Link not working

[yozhik]

The URL contained a malformed video ID.

:(

[girlgye]

ok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbNIU2KEz4g&feature=related

[metacomet]

Well, it is a good video :p and a good speaker, very much in step with Icke and his explanation of the gradual process of entrapment.

The more we allow them to get away with the sooner we find ourselves backed onto the end of a pier, with no way of escape.

[yozhik]

Some good info ... unfortunately, also some 'classic' evidence of programming.
I cringed when he regurgitated the '6 million Jews' fable and repeatedly parroted the 'millions died in gas chambers' marketing slogan.

If he is going to be a guiding light or source of information, I would hope he would demonstrate less indoctrination of the Zionist/NWO propaganda material.

... but some bits of meat still left on the bone to pick over :)

[pi3141]

Is that a downward pointing (satanic) pentagram on the flag behind him?

He's invoking the lies and propaganda of the holocaust to suggest a reason for violent action?

Doesn't David Icke say violent reaction is exactly what the elite want so they have an excuse to supress the masses by using violence against us?

Certainly would make it easier for them to declare martial law and shoot on sight and transgressors.

I'm a bit confused as to why this is a great video.

Don't get me wrong I can't wait for the day we rise up and show the rulers a bit of French Revolution justice as thats what they deserve, but if we instigate the violence first, wouldn't we be as guilty as them?

[metacomet]

Is that a downward pointing (satanic) pentagram on the flag behind him?

Unfortunately, all flags with stars produce an inverted pentagram when hung upright on a pole...

definitely not a coincidence, although the owners of the flags are not likely aware of it.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FCruS_0arjY/SKUtqfgdfCI/AAAAAAAAALg/oltIg-WUTWo/s400/453px-George-W-Bush.jpeg

[pi3141]

Unfortunately, all flags with stars produce an inverted pentagram when hung upright on a pole...

Yes I realise that, however, if the man is an agent provacateur, working for the NWO satanists and trying to stir up violence from the people before the people are properly organised to enable the PTB to declare martial law, surpress the uprising and force the rest of their plans to fruition, I would not expect him to bring his 'I love satan' flag with him. To be honest it was just something that got my attention.

Secondly, he seemed to be very well informed about the steps and processes the Jews were put through before they reached the concentration camps including 'night of glass' the percentage of Hitlers votes but somehow does not know the actual numbers of deaths involved at the camps or the fact that those numbers are contested seems very strange to me.

I agree with his description of 'step by step' 'should have complained at the beginning' but we all know that one.

Finally, I was thinking last night about the video and wondered if my reaction not to be violent is simply 'programming' that 'they' want. After all, if we do just sit about an do nothing then there may well be a time when it's too late to do anything which suits their agenda fine.

Maybe girlgye is right and this is the most important vid on youtube and I'm just too stuck up into my spirtual wonderness and everything will be fine attitiude to see it!

[girlgye]

Some good info ... unfortunately, also some 'classic' evidence of programming.
I cringed when he regurgitated the '6 million Jews' fable and repeatedly parroted the 'millions died in gas chambers' marketing slogan.

If he is going to be a guiding light or source of information, I would hope he would demonstrate less indoctrination of the Zionist/NWO propaganda material.

... but some bits of meat still left on the bone to pick over :)

I never thought you to be a racist Matt. Shame on you.

Oh they just made those names and numbers up then did they?

That is what I DESPISE ABOUT ICKE. COMPLETE RACIST IMHO.

This man ran for President. Behind him is the flag of Texas. Perhaps the room he was renting. I can't believe you think he is trying to communicate satanism and violence. Go and research his vids.

I've never heard something so ridiculous in my life and he's been around alot longer than Icke.

[girlgye]

Yes I realise that, however, if the man is an agent provacateur, working for the NWO satanists and trying to stir up violence from the people before the people are properly organised to enable the PTB to declare martial law, surpress the uprising and force the rest of their plans to fruition, I would not expect him to bring his 'I love satan' flag with him. To be honest it was just something that got my attention.

Secondly, he seemed to be very well informed about the steps and processes the Jews were put through before they reached the concentration camps including 'night of glass' the percentage of Hitlers votes but somehow does not know the actual numbers of deaths involved at the camps or the fact that those numbers are contested seems very strange to me.

I agree with his description of 'step by step' 'should have complained at the beginning' but we all know that oneinally, I was thinking last night about the video and wondered if my reaction not to be violent is simply 'programming' that 'they' want. After all, if we do just sit about an do nothing then there may well be a time when it's too late to do anything which suits their agenda fine.

Maybe girlgye is right and this is the most important vid on youtube and I'm just too stuck up into my spirtual wonderness and everything will be fine attitiude to see it!

The night of glass is taught at elementary history. I'm wondering who the programmed sheep are.
Besides which that isn't the point he is making at all. He merely illustrates an example.
You's all sound like BNP sympathisers.

[pi3141]

I don't remember being taught the night of glass at my school.

He merely illustrates a point? He merely illustrates an emotionally charged example to incite people to violence - yes i agree with that observation I just don't agree thats the right thing to do - yet.

He ran for president - well he must be a good man then, the leader of BNP is trying to run for prime minister in this country so by your reasoning that makes the leader of the BNP a good man?

Programmed sheep, BNP sympathiser - well if all you can do is throw around personal insults I'm out of this thread.

See ya.

[girlgye]

Where the fuck did he incite violence? What was he supposed to say just say I love you when you take my car. Point me to the minute counter where he incites violence....Shant wait long. There isn't one.

Is it because he has a big nose. Perhaps he is Yiddish? Der Der DERE!!!!!!

[pi3141]

Where the fuck did he incite violence? What was he supposed to say just say I love you when you take my car. Point me to the minute counter where he incites violence....Shant wait long. There isn't one.

4:19 'Draw a line and stand your ground'

4:39 Thomas jefferson quote 'Let them take arms, the tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of tyrants'

5:10 'We're talking bloodshed if neccessary'

5:33 Abe Lincoln quote 'Their constitional right to dismember or overthrow it'

I also find his whole tone to be inflammatory

Is that enough examples?

[girlgye]

If you look at my other post on the travel thread. He says in 1975 after he'd successfully sued a judge for imprisoning him for travelling without a licence he was visited by men in black suits.
In those days he was own and when he saw them coming up the drive he had his rifle ready.

Yeah point taken. I liked what the fact that he was saying. NO. Period.

Half of you lot go on about marshal law it's your mantra. So if that is to occur you think sitting chanting OM is gonna stop them? I haven't decided what the solution is. I'm sure if tax were abolished tomorrow we will have miltary juntas within hours raping and pillaging women and children.

My point is I've drawn my lind in the sand. Where I struggle now is far do I think that line should be crossed.

Yeah he's a crazy confederate I guess.:o

[girlgye]

I think what he is saying in the Abe Lincoln line as I know a bit about Abe Lincoln is ever evil is visited upon us in the form of tyrants you the people have the power in law to overthrow the Government immediately.

My question we want this lot overthrown. We don't have anything to replace them with.

[yozhik]

Oh they just made those names and numbers up then did they?

The numbers were exaggerated - yes.
Thats now widely accepted.

So if the numbers were exaggerated and each of those false numbers had a name, then I can only assume the names were made up too.

But it is a completely different subject for a completely different forum.

My point and reason for bringing it up was as I said; for someone who is presenting information about 'truth', I just wish he hadn't included emotional Zionist propaganda which is nothing more than highly financed and politically motivated marketing.

That's all.

I can't believe you think he is trying to communicate satanism and violence.

Never stated this.

[girlgye]

This makes my blood fucking boil rigid.

All those numbers were accounted for. The only people who say the aren't a NAZI sympathisers.

There are marked graves in Israel, Russia and Germany to prove it.

20 million Kulaks were killed too.

That wasn't made up though coz they weren't Jewish?

The point he is making is it happened. Don't try and make it tepid by saying they were a few hundred thousand out. They gassed people because of the colour of their skin, they gassed people because of their ethnicity, they gassed people because they were gay. Perhaps that is where their numbers were out.

THEY KILLED MAN WOMAN and CHILD AND 98% of Germans let them.

[yozhik]

This makes my blood fucking boil rigid.

All those numbers were accounted for. The only people who say the aren't a NAZI sympathisers.

There are marked graves in Israel, Russia and Germany to prove it.


We will just have to agree to disagree.

6 million has been revised.
As you would say; do the due.

I don't accept the numbers as fact; quite the opposite ... I accept the numbers as fiction.

I am not a Nazi sympathiser [whatver that means].

Let's just leave it at that.
We're not going to agree so this really won't go anywhere.
Let's stick to things we CAN work together on ;)

[girlgye]

Let's just stick to the point of the debate instead of splitting hairs over nothing.

[girlgye]

That is not to say those who died because of their race is not a trivial matter in the holocaust. I will defend that to my death.

[pi3141]

THEY KILLED MAN WOMAN and CHILD AND 98% of Germans let them.

I understand what you are trying to say - and I to an extent I agree with you. If we all knew exactly what these bastards have been up to then probably the public at large would revolt violently and justifiably. If we allow things to go on further, will we, the British people find ourselves in the same situation as the German people - the world pointing the finger saying 'How could they let that happen, why didn't the Brits hold their elected officials to account, why didn't they revolt'

However, I see it a bit like the reason for going to war with Iraq, we only have circumstantial evidence that apparently gives good enough reason. But the fact is, Iraq did not unleash those WMD's on us so our war was aggressive and hence illegal, as would, at this stage a violent revolution.

The PTB have unleashed attrocities on us - chemtrails, vaccines, depopulation, imprisonment for free speech and soon to be tax on an element we need for survival (carbon) etc etc but as yet they have not, overtly, attacked the general British public and dragged people off to firing squads etc, so I feel violence at this stage is unwarranted which, I think, is what the speaker is calling for.

Also, please don't let your thread get derailed by arguments about the holocaust, he only uses it as an example (bad choice, too my mind) But the holocaust argument is for another thread, and it doesn't detract from the message you are trying to convey - when will enough be enough, when will people act - when its too late?

What he is saying echoes 'tip toe to totalitarian state' as Icke puts it and is a valid argument - I see that point. As I stated in earlier post, maybe its just my programming that stops me from boiling over and agreeing with you (and him) completely.

[tenzingnorgay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbNIU2KEz4g&feature=related

This one's for you Platform 7. Hang on in there babes.

He makes many good points but he has no understanding of Germany and Hitler.

[girlgye]

Ok Tenzingray that sounds rather mysterious. His facts are correct as he reports them. They were carrying money around in wheel barrows to buy a loaf of bread. They were starving. They were mostly unemployed. I'm not sure it is all together true that Jewish businesses flourished whilst this happened either. I think Jewish settlements suffered the same setbacks, poverty and starvation. Of course there were the upper classes and they came from all stratas not just Jewish. If it is this that you are driving at.

It is not then surprising that 98% of people voted for this very charismatic and enpassioned speaker who promised a better land and lets face it judging by the quality of workmanship in those Jack boots he delivered on that didn't he. He just forgot to mention he was gonna gas anybody he didn't like.

[girlgye]

I understand what you are trying to say - and I to an extent I agree with you. If we all knew exactly what these bastards have been up to then probably the public at large would revolt violently and justifiably. If we allow things to go on further, will we, the British people find ourselves in the same situation as the German people - the world pointing the finger saying 'How could they let that happen, why didn't the Brits hold their elected officials to account, why didn't they revolt'

However, I see it a bit like the reason for going to war with Iraq, we only have circumstantial evidence that apparently gives good enough reason. But the fact is, Iraq did not unleash those WMD's on us so our war was aggressive and hence illegal, as would, at this stage a violent revolution.

The PTB have unleashed attrocities on us - chemtrails, vaccines, depopulation, imprisonment for free speech and soon to be tax on an element we need for survival (carbon) etc etc but as yet they have not, overtly, attacked the general British public and dragged people off to firing squads etc, so I feel violence at this stage is unwarranted which, I think, is what the speaker is calling for.

Also, please don't let your thread get derailed by arguments about the holocaust, he only uses it as an example (bad choice, too my mind) But the holocaust argument is for another thread, and it doesn't detract from the message you are trying to convey - when will enough be enough, when will people act - when its too late?

What he is saying echoes 'tip toe to totalitarian state' as Icke puts it and is a valid argument - I see that point. As I stated in earlier post, maybe its just my programming that stops me from boiling over and agreeing with you (and him) completely.

Hello? Where do you live? If it's America then your lack of knowledge is excused as they genuinely black out the media of what is really going on in Guantanomo.

[yozhik]

He just forgot to mention he was gonna gas anybody he didn't like.

Stop regurgitating the spoonfed dross and do some research ... REAL research ... not ADL sanctioned disinformation.

[yozhik]

That is not to say those who died because of their race is not a trivial matter in the holocaust. I will defend that to my death.

With mind and eyes shut tight?

[girlgye]

Oh come on cite your true sources. They didn't have special computer generated effects in 1937. For heavens sake.

Come on I'm all ears as to some tin pot theory you have. Tell me to go do my research. I've done mine. I'll post you a massive reading list and film archive if you like totalling alot of starving people with tatoos of stars of David on their arms.

I've met bloody vets and seen them with my own eyes. Are you suggesting they lie and I lie too just to feed your daft idea that the Illuminati arranged a massive cover up at the expense of the Rockerfellas and Rothschilds? I wouldn't mind but the Rothschilds are themselves Jewish an incongruity met with 'der these people don't care about race' by conspiricists. Oh yea. Wow go figure.

[smoke n mirrors]

Gas?

http:
//www.zundelsite.org/basic_articles/incorrect.008.html (http://www.zundelsite.org/basic_articles/incorrect.008.html)

The victors write the history books. A certain percentage of which will be total BS, disinformation and lies. The problem is deciphering the truth from fiction.

EDIT:
Are you proposing the Rothschilds banks didn't help provide funding to the German War machine?

.

[drakul]

I never thought you to be a racist Matt. Shame on you.

Oh they just made those names and numbers up then did they?

That is what I DESPISE ABOUT ICKE. COMPLETE RACIST IMHO.

This man ran for President. Behind him is the flag of Texas. Perhaps the room he was renting. I can't believe you think he is trying to communicate satanism and violence. Go and research his vids.

I've never heard something so ridiculous in my life and he's been around alot longer than Icke.

Matt is right. The illusory unproven `6 million Jews died in the holocaust' is Jewish propaganda which has put the world at risk in Israel and the ME. If it weren't for that `holocaust' there would not BE an Israel today.

You say the speaker has been around longer than Icke but you don't even tell us his name.

He says the Jews did not speak out in the press when they were told to wear yellow stars and after Crystalnacht. That I find that difficult to believe. The Jews have always been vociferous about making their ideas, wants and needs known, especially since they always own powerful media sources. In the US the Jews own most of the influential newspapers - New York Times, Washington Post, etc. These papers constantly rant and rave about how American blood is necessary to push the Israeli agenda to conquer the Middle East.

I don't like the idea of people telling me to fight. Fight what? Resist what? More like an invitation to destroy my life and my family's well being. Yes I think people should speak out, make their opinions known, go to congress or parliament, write to your representative, join groups, but don't work yourself into some kind of hysteria like this guy seems to be encouraging.
.

[girlgye]

Drak point me to the word fight on this video. Though I somewhat admit he does like one of those crazy confederates he's still right to suggest that we tell them to stick their rules right up their jacksies. Its gone too far. Up to last year I took pride in being a law abiding citizen. Not any more. 33 million others will attest the same.
The poor bastards left forced to go to jury service.:eek:

[pi3141]

Hello? Where do you live? If it's America then your lack of knowledge is excused as they genuinely black out the media of what is really going on in Guantanomo.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by this?

I can't be bothered with personal attacks, I already defended one one of my statements when you asked where (the fuck) he incited violence in the video, which I have shown he did repeatedly (pretty difficult to miss really) and you conceded the point, but no appology from you for implying I'm a BNP sympathiser.

And now you accuse me of lack of knowledge??

Whatever.

[juddfinn]

Some good info ... unfortunately, also some 'classic' evidence of programming. I cringed when he regurgitated the '6 million Jews' fable and repeatedly parroted the 'millions died in gas chambers' marketing slogan.

If he is going to be a guiding light or source of information, I would hope he would demonstrate less indoctrination of the Zionist/NWO propaganda material.

... but some bits of meat still left on the bone to pick over :)

Very well pointed out Yozhik, plus in the video he gets the percentage of votes and the whole process that brought Hitler to power totally WRONG (Reichstag fire anybody?). Therefore the whole point of his talk > that the German People, and today the U.S. - and/or other - people could just let it all happen, is lost on closer inspection.

It's a big and sensitive subject - The Nazi's - but the truth is always the truth, and as they say "we shall never forget", if that which we won't forget dosen't fear full & honest investigation...

Nobody should EVER be put into a camp by anyone, that's a given. One thing about the "Holocaust" at this point is we also need the empircal truth about it... and why is that so wrong & bad?

How Hitler Became a Dictator
by Jacob G. Hornberger, Posted June 28, 2004

Whenever U.S. officials wish to demonize someone, they inevitably compare him to Adolf Hitler. The message immediately resonates with people because everyone knows that Hitler was a brutal dictator.

But how many people know how Hitler actually became a dictator? My bet is, very few. I’d also bet that more than a few people would be surprised at how he pulled it off, especially given that after World War I Germany had become a democratic republic.

The story of how Hitler became a dictator is set forth in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by William Shirer, on which this article is based.

In the presidential election held on March 13, 1932, there were four candidates: the incumbent, Field Marshall Paul von Hindenburg, Hitler, and two minor candidates, Ernst Thaelmann and Theodore Duesterberg. The results were:

Hindenburg 49.6 percent
Hitler 30.1 percent
Thaelmann 13.2 percent
Duesterberg 6.8 percent

At the risk of belaboring the obvious, almost 70 percent of the German people voted against Hitler, causing his supporter Joseph Goebbels, who would later become Hitler’s minister of propaganda, to lament in his journal, “We’re beaten; terrible outlook. Party circles badly depressed and dejected.”

Since Hindenberg had not received a majority of the vote, however, a runoff election had to be held among the top three vote-getters. On April 19, 1932, the runoff results were:

Hindenburg 53.0 percent
Hitler 36.8 percent
Thaelmann 10.2 percent


Thus, even though Hitler’s vote total had risen, he still had been decisively rejected by the German people...

and so on

[platform7]

Seeing as this video was for me (how important am I lol)
I only want to thank girlgye for posting it.

The only bit I care about is the message regarding the "line in the sand" this I believe is to keep me focused on my own case and experience. ;)

So once again Mary "When you cry etc".

[girlgye]

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by this?

I can't be bothered with personal attacks, I already defended one one of my statements when you asked where (the fuck) he incited violence in the video, which I have shown he did repeatedly (pretty difficult to miss really) and you conceded the point, but no appology from you for implying I'm a BNP sympathiser.

And now you accuse me of lack of knowledge??

Whatever.

I can't stand people who deny that Jewish people were killed in the holocaust or deny the numbers. I have no idea what personal attack I've made to you. Yeah if it was you who made the anti jewish statement then your sentitments ain't any different. End of. Look up what the BNP have to say on the matter and you will see your sentiments are no different.
Personal attack? However, you want to take it. No apology.

[girlgye]

Very well pointed out Yozhik, plus in the video he gets the percentage of votes and the whole process that brought Hitler to power totally WRONG (Reichstag fire anybody?). Therefore the whole point of his talk > that the German People, and today the U.S. - and/or other - people could just let it all happen, is lost on closer inspection.

It's a big and sensitive subject - The Nazi's - but the truth is always the truth, and as they say "we shall never forget", if that which we won't forget dosen't fear full & honest investigation...

Nobody should EVER be put into a camp by anyone, that's a given. One thing about the "Holocaust" at this point is we also need the empircal truth about it... and why is that so wrong & bad?

How Hitler Became a Dictator
by Jacob G. Hornberger, Posted June 28, 2004

Whenever U.S. officials wish to demonize someone, they inevitably compare him to Adolf Hitler. The message immediately resonates with people because everyone knows that Hitler was a brutal dictator.

But how many people know how Hitler actually became a dictator? My bet is, very few. I’d also bet that more than a few people would be surprised at how he pulled it off, especially given that after World War I Germany had become a democratic republic.

The story of how Hitler became a dictator is set forth in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by William Shirer, on which this article is based.

In the presidential election held on March 13, 1932, there were four candidates: the incumbent, Field Marshall Paul von Hindenburg, Hitler, and two minor candidates, Ernst Thaelmann and Theodore Duesterberg. The results were:

Hindenburg 49.6 percent
Hitler 30.1 percent
Thaelmann 13.2 percent
Duesterberg 6.8 percent

At the risk of belaboring the obvious, almost 70 percent of the German people voted against Hitler, causing his supporter Joseph Goebbels, who would later become Hitler’s minister of propaganda, to lament in his journal, “We’re beaten; terrible outlook. Party circles badly depressed and dejected.”

Since Hindenberg had not received a majority of the vote, however, a runoff election had to be held among the top three vote-getters. On April 19, 1932, the runoff results were:

Hindenburg 53.0 percent
Hitler 36.8 percent
Thaelmann 10.2 percent


Thus, even though Hitler’s vote total had risen, he still had been decisively rejected by the German people...

and so on

Yes and you make a good point here as even I understood that 96% of German people probably didn't vote for Hitler. However, there must be some reason why he said it. So I will go and research what he meant by that figure. My guess is it may have been at another election.

[pi3141]

Personal attacks -


You's all sound like BNP sympathisers.


Hello? Where do you live? If it's America then your lack of knowledge is excused....

All these comments were posted as direct reply to my posts.


Yeah if it was you who made the anti jewish statement then your sentitments ain't any different. End of. Look up what the BNP have to say on the matter and you will see your sentiments are no different.

Now I understand, you don't actually bother to read the posts thoroughly, you just lash out at people that disagree and label them as BNP sympathisers.

[girlgye]

This is a personal attack
YOU are a BNP sympathiser.

You sound like a BNP sympathiser.

You do!

This is your script the Holocaust is fictitious set up by zionist infidels who want a separate state of Israel.

Ok why not whine on about Bengal and Pakistan. No?

They don't have any money and they aren't rich. Still causing as much conflict in the world though.

Fact. Americans get their news blacked out when it comes to their own atrocities about what they are doing to alleged terrorists in Guantanomo Bay.
To this day. Been there and seen it with my own eyes.

How is that a personal derogatory attack on you?

Attack on your opinions which are like arseholes.

[pi3141]

This is a personal attack
YOU are a BNP sympathiser.

Actiually, I think when you accuse a small group of people collectively then it is in fact a personal attack on all the people in the group


You sound like a BNP sympathiser.

You do!

I am simply looking for the truth, if you think that makes me a BNP sympathiser then perhaps you agree with Bush and Obama when they say anyone who questions 911 is a terrorist or unpatriotic.


This is your script the Holocaust is fictitious set up by zionist infidels who want a separate state of Israel.

No its not my script, I have deferred judgement on this until I feel that I have seen all the facts and found the truth. Your putting words into my mouth. I've never said or thought anything like that. You don't know me, you will not find a single post in the entire WWW where I have made such a claim or agreed to such a claim - that is a fact.


Ok why not whine on about Bengal and Pakistan. No?

Your just rying to muddy the water and open up a new argument to deflect from this one. Again, I've never said that, I don't agree with you and my knowledge of Pakistan and Bengal is limited so I really can't comment on what you say. But please don't go round telling people I said that because I didn't. For the record, I completely disagree with what you say about Pakistan and Bengal because I have no knowledge of the situations out there other than what is in the main stream media.


Fact. Americans get their news blacked out when it comes to their own atrocities about what they are doing to alleged terrorists in Guantanomo Bay.
To this day. Been there and seen it with my own eyes.

So what? The fact that that is true does not justify your insult that I have a lack of knowledge in some way. I'm not even sure what knowledge you are accusing me of lacking unless you are still incorrectly claiming I deny the attrocites directed at the Jews by the Nazis. As I have stated I have not denied them, merely questioned the validity of accounts. Do you not know the saying 'history is written by the victor' do you think the allies were/are the good guys and could never distort the facts. if so why are you so intent on rebelling from the people you so admire to be truthful?


How is that a personal derogatory attack on you?

You stated, explicity in response to my post that my lack of knowledge is astounding, you then surmised that my lack of knowledge, which can imply low intelligence, is excusable because i'm American. That is derogatrory and I'm sure if you posted a thread that said Americans have a lack of knowledge because their media is controlled you would find out how many Americans on this forum would find that comment derogatory. Try it. If its not in anyway a derogatory statement then I'm sure all the Americans will tell you how right you are.


Attack on your opinions which are like arseholes.

This just doesn't make any sense to me - is it a valid sentence? Would you care to expand and explain your meaning please so I can respond.

[pleasuredome]

This is a personal attack
YOU are a BNP sympathiser.

You sound like a BNP sympathiser.

You do!

This is your script the Holocaust is fictitious set up by zionist infidels who want a separate state of Israel.

Ok why not whine on about Bengal and Pakistan. No?

They don't have any money and they aren't rich. Still causing as much conflict in the world though.

Fact. Americans get their news blacked out when it comes to their own atrocities about what they are doing to alleged terrorists in Guantanomo Bay.
To this day. Been there and seen it with my own eyes.

How is that a personal derogatory attack on you?

Attack on your opinions which are like arseholes.

how long before this ends up in the rant section?

[girlgye]

Now you are just extemifying everything to make yourself look like a victim at no point in this self imposed 'war' have I told you that you were of low intelligence nor have I said that Americans are of low intelligence.

I've met enough people who survived that holocaust who weren't jewish who had no ulterior motives to know they aren't lying or distorting the truth.

Unfortunately it was just one of those events in history where there are tons of survivors to this day who remember the bloody atrocities. question all you like. It wasn't Jewish immigrants who re-wrote the history books everyone involved did and that's a lot of people, Jewish and otherwise. Then you bring it down to the base denominator by stating the people 'you amire'? Shouldn't I admire Jewish races? Should I despise them? Would that make you feel better? I've had enough of this conversation with you now. Really.

Even the Nazi survivors have admitted what they did. Go on question away and doubt all you like. You are entitled to your opinions we all have them.
Personally I think it is just one of those tin pot theories such as Zionists and Illuminati made the figures up which is just not going to wash in this the widest spread genocide the world has ever known.

The fact that you don't even know that Pakistan was a separate state created out of India for and on behalf of muslims by the very allies you cite have a zionist agenda just goes to show how biased your views are against in one direction.

[pi3141]

Good grief I really am weary of this - you stated that if I was an American then that explains my lack of knowledge. You are continually moving the thread away from your original post and trying to paint me as a fervent holocaust denier and now you drag up the history of Pakistan as evidence I'm some kind of Jew hater or revisionist with biased views. Is the fact that I do not know the history of India evidence I am biased? No - I simply haven't studied it. I haven't claimed too, I did not bring it up YOU did and you are making out that the fact I do not know Pakistan history makes you correct that I deny the holocaust and that I have biased views. You have singled me out and twisted the argument around to Pakistan in some sort of self serving, self gratifying cause. You have no ability to accept anything you don't want too, you just shift the argument to something else. This is playground mentality and has shown me who you really are. I have other things to think about and if I didn't waste my time replying to arguments that you impose on me for no reason then perhaps I could actually get on with learning something. Do you really think that by constantly bashing me it proves you are right? Because it does not, your like a child in the playground who thinks because they shout the loudest they win the argument. You do not.

You said to Yohvik 'lets just stick to the point' is Pakistan the point NO, does Pakistan history prove the holocaust NO, does Pakistan history prove I'm a denier NO

Will you understand this reponse - probably not. Your likely to bring something else up and try and bash me some more because of it.

Honestly, I left this type of arguing behind in the playground where it belongs.

I firmly believe you are just embarassing yourself now.

[girlgye]

Is that a downward pointing (satanic) pentagram on the flag behind him?

He's invoking the lies and propaganda of the holocaust to suggest a reason for violent action?

?

Yeah right. question mark question mark.

[pi3141]

Ok. Are we done?

[girlgye]

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TXz1GsiGyV4C&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=96%25+of+people+voted+the+nazis+in+germany&source=bl&ots=aqoHAO3yaU&sig=ZK9b26LWaO5HuCC-y6zhTXOH_Nc&hl=en&ei=D50VS-jFJ8qx4Qbkj7THBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=96%25%20of%20people%20voted%20the%20nazis%20in%2 0germany&f=false

[pi3141]

Hi Girlgye,

I would like, if I may without starting another argument, explain to you my holocaust views.

I believe the Jews were persecuted attrociously, they were bullied, beaten, vilified had their business and properties stolen and ruined and finally imprisoned. They were subjected to brutal and inhuman treatment, they were tatooed, numbered using the IBM systems, tortued, shot, had horrific genetic experiments and eugenics experiments directed against them. They were used as slaves, in the labour camps and in secret facitilites such as Von Brauns underground missile factories and laboratories where they were worked to death and then buried in mass graves when they died. They were lied about with regard to their heritage and labelled sub human.

I deny none of this. The holocaust happened, it was Hitlers 'Final Solution' and it was insidious and disgusting. England and America were warned this was happening by some of the Jews who were lucky enough to escape but did nothing which was disgusting and disgraceful. I deny none of this, hence I do not feel I am a holocaust denier. The numbers and the gas chambers however I'm not so sure about. As I understand, academics and researchers have been to these places and investigated first hand, these are people with knowledge of science I do not know about. They have raised questions. Some of these are that some of the chambers were not air tight and therefore could not be used for gassing, apparently the gas used would have actually penetrated into the brick work and left residue of the gas but in some of the chambers no residue has been found. Some of the shower heads allegedly used for gassing again show no physical evidence of being used for anything other than showering with water. Some researchers have looked at the numbers of Jewish people in Germany from census and business records before the war.

There is even an official document that 'apparently' (I can not atest to its validity but have seen scans of it) show the maximum number of Jewish people that did die in the holocaust to far below the 5 or 6 million claimed. Again, I do not speak or read German, I have no access to the German records so I can not atest to the validity of the account, but its there, people, historians and researchers have found these documents and bought it to the attention of the world. I therefore cannot believe, completely the numbers concerned and the fact that every shower room or train truck with shower heads fitted are absolutely without doubt evidence of all these facilities being used to gas Jews.

I understand the previous Pope, John Paul worked for IG Fargen company and was the actual salesmen who supplied the gas to Austwich. Apparently he only joined the Catholic Church after the war in fear of his life.

When I see the uproar and absolute ferrocity at which any investigation is denied and the laws criminalising people for asking questions about the past - well then I smell a rat. If its true, it would stand up to scrutiny and every one should welcome these researchers to check and prove the truthfullness of the accounts. But they smear and criminalise any one who questions - this is not the way to defend the truth. This seems to me to be evidence of something else. Now, I do not want to belittle the holocaust but I am going to draw a comparison. if I was burgled, and they cleaned me out. When the time comes for the insurance claim, would I exagerate my claim. Yes I would, I'm the victim, I've lost out, the burgulars have trodden over my family pictures, destroyed heirlooms for which no money can compensate me so yes I would exagerate. The Jewish people lost their business, their homes, their savings, they were herded up, treated as animals, tortured, experimented on and shot like cattle in despicable acts, they had nothing left. So after the war, when looking for a new home to rebuild their lives and come to terms with losing loved ones would they exagerate to gain a bit more compensation to help them with their struggle to find a new life and rebuild? Well, why not. I know I would have. This should never have happened, but it did and then they had to pick themselves up and rebuild their lives. Could any amount of money compensate them for the attrocities, no I don't believe it could, so why not get what you can - they deserved it and needed it to help rebuild their lives. Perhaps that is why the numbers don't add up. And I for one do not blame them or judge them - IF this is in fact what happened. I do not know, I merely recognise the possibility and accept some of the research done by people in fields of science I know nothing about and therefore have to rely on them. If its good science, provable, documented etc then I can not discount it, and some of it seems to be.

That is my view and I do not believe that makes me a denier nor do I believe that makes the Jewish people bad.

[asgard]

The only thing wrong with the "6 million" is that 4 million of those were killed in Auschwitz. Except now it's been officially changed to 1 million. The plaque outside Auschwitz has beeen changed to reflect this, and I recently saw an article in the Jerusalem Post complaining that Europeans were pissed off about what was going on in Gaza and were cancelling contracts....a throwaway comment went something like this..."after all the 1 million of our people exterminated in Auschwitz...". So they accept it. By all accounts the ADL and Jewish Historians accept it yet even though removing 3 million from that number means it's officially no more than 3 million - you can still go to prison as a Holocaust Denier if you question the 6 million? WTF?

Here's the young JEWISH revisionist David Cole who went to Auschwitz to find the Truth. He was fed up of hearing conspiracy sites talking about the Holocaust being a hoax - or at least exaggerated - so he set out to find the truth for himself. He's a very brave lad - he was forced to recant by the ADL in the end. This is a fascinating documentary and may make you pause in your certainty. Much of the detail is checkable....

I don't know what to believe anymore, but the "6 million" figure cannot possibly be true as it's OFFICIALLY been changed. The soap from human fat, and lightshades from skin was also debunked, though many people still accept it and they probably still teach it in school. When I was at school over 30 years ago we were taught that the gas was from the showers. Apparently that got changed to tanks atop the roof - now it's something else apparently. Most of my generation will still consider it came from the showerheads and be unaware it was 'officially' changed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXKHw0EZrqM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-YsBXEueoU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP8eB4oPS0o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQkD7AqLl5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJIwm24kZEk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctNCdGw2Iio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t_C0d-BUmk

[pi3141]

Thanks for posting - and explaining further i did not know the numbers had officially been changed.

Watching those vids now.

[yozhik]

Even the Nazi survivors have admitted what they did.

If my testicles were put in a vice, I too would probably 'admit' to whatever they wanted me to.
Torture is a wonderful confessional aide ... yes?

Just as money and recognition can morph 'imagined events' into 'vivid memories'.

[pi3141]

Ok I watched the videos and now I feel like a schoolboy. I have not researched the Holocaust because its not where my inerests are and I simply accepted it happened. But over the years reading media reports about deniers and their evidence I came to accept that maybe the official numbers were incorrect. I could understand that records got destroyed in the the aftermath unintentionally by the allies and the bombs and intentionally by Germans trying to cover it up. I heard the stories about the allies getting the German nurses from the hospitals and taking them to the camps to help the sick, I learnt that these nurses were appalled by what they saw and stayed at the bediside of the sick even when they themselves got sick and some refused treatment and died, still attending the patients because they were so disgusted that this had been happening and they (German nurses) did not know anything about it.

I understood that maybe some of the Jewish families got split up and being unable to find their loved ones after the war thought that their family must have perished and mistakenly reported them as dead. It seemed perfectly logical in the aftermath that such mistakes were made, it seemed logical that when claiming for compensation they may have exagerated slightly to get the money the desperately needed because otherwise they were destitute and homeless. It seemed perfectly reasonable and logical that the facts were distorted for various reasons and that this could account for the wrong numbers. But I never thought it didn't happen. I have not researched it because it simply isn't my thing I just accepted the attrocities and the fact that some errors had been made in the aftermath - it was war, things got destroyed, records and buildings housing the records etc so I just accepted it as fact and quietly accepted that mistakes in the numbers and records were likely to have been made.

As I got older and read reports i just thought some of the facts could have been unintentionally distorted which made the numbers questionable and then these discrepancies covered up, hence I believed their were lies and propoganda.

Now I feel like an idiot for accepting even my politically correct, schoolboy teachings.

[yozhik]

Actually, the 'final solution' for the Jews was a Zionist creation and it wasn't to 'boot them out of Europe'; it was to relocate them to Palestine, in reclaimed land which was to become a sovereign Jewish state. i.e Israel.

This is merely another distortion in history.
Just to repeat that in case it wasn't fully comprehended; the phrase 'the final solution' for the Jews, was a Zionist phrase.
It was a Zionist policy.

Not Nazi.

Zionism offered the world a welcome “final solution of the Jewish question.”

- Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism

“If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them
to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel,
I would choose the second solution.”

- Ben Gurion, the first head of the Zionist ‘state of Israel’, December 7, 1938

[yozhik]

I don't know what to believe anymore, but the "6 million" figure cannot possibly be true as it's OFFICIALLY been changed. The soap from human fat, and lightshades from skin was also debunked, though many people still accept it and they probably still teach it in school. When I was at school over 30 years ago we were taught that the gas was from the showers. Apparently that got changed to tanks atop the roof - now it's something else apparently. Most of my generation will still consider it came from the showerheads and be unaware it was 'officially' changed.


Not to mention the 'diesel gassings' which were heavily discussed, which have since been changed to 'gasoline gassings' because its been shown that diesel simply would not have worked.

So now its 'gasoline' even though 'eye witnesses' [cough] still hold on dearly to the notion of big black clouds of exhaust fumes.

[sigh]

... or the number of 'Holocaust survivor' books which have been published to great fanfare, only to then come under scrutiny and to be found well short of fact ... at which time the author then admits that the book 'was real in my imagination, so whilst the events may not have been real, the imagination is'.

WTF??

Don't feel bad if you've been caught in the web of deception; you're in good company.
Even Oprah Winfrey was sucked in, having featured the book of one of these fictional non-fictions on here regular 'book club' segment.

[girlgye]

Do these videos which I haven't watched seriously make you consider that this never happened. If they are I'm not watching them. Just because some preppy makes a video doesn't mean it's true. Didn't 250,000 dies in Sobibor Poland that was just one extermination camp there. I mean Simon Wiesenthal can hunt down EVER single human culler in these atrocities but they fail to materialise the evidence and cross check the facts of the surviving relatives to each and every Jewish death? Get your facts right here otherwise you may be asked to put your so called research which stands up as fact to the test? I doubt very much that you would be willing to stand trial for your videos would you?

Working class Jewish immigrants landed in Britain, America, with little in the way of compensation. Are you seriously trying to suggest that each and every witness who survived that atrocity is a pure bread liar. That people I've met didn't watch their families go one by one as they became too weak to work?

The figures cover the whole Nazi empire and not just Germany and wait for this it is also estimated they also killed another 6 million non jews now what would be their motives for insurance payments i wonder.

It is therefore estimated that the Nazis were responsible of total war crimes of 12 million people.

Not to mention how many soldiers lost their lives in this count.

Scientists my arsehole. The word 'scientist' and I have to jump to attention like they are GOD. Having spent the past 3 years and culminating in an MSc level study of Science I can say Science is as flawed and as wishy washy as a Mills and Boon novel.

What utter crap.

Again I allude to the Wars in India that lead to Pakistan being a separate state. Like Israel it was given help to set itself up as a Nation I hardly think neither Israel or Pakistan at their inception were swimming in insurance payouts from the world's slaves. Basking in the glory of other people's handouts thinking ho yeah we got one over the insurance authorities. Is it any wonder people cry shoot the bastard in prison with allegations like that?

[girlgye]

Now Yoshik I don't doubt that people have written fantasy novels based on what was probably a very harrowing but banal experience in those camps. Most people's diary's and accounts like a good novel don't make the light of day. Only something that is unusual like that of the diary of Anne Frank. God we'd be swimming in Nazi atrocity novels if everyone bought every novel account of someone's experiences in there.

The facts of the matter are this happened pure and simple. As to whether they got an exact figure right well take your points and feel a victory I don't think point scoring on numbers is the issue and to make it so is just a waste of space.

You either deny that it happened or you don't.

Personally from what I've heard first hand most people died from weakness, torture and starvation. The gassing period came very late on and clearly H was in a psychotic delusional state as he was well on the ropes by the time he started the cull. Much the same as the Generals in Serbia when they started their cull like a bastard breath of cruelty just to get revenge.

[girlgye]

On a separate note.:(

I had a disturbing Illuminati conversation today. Largely from talking to a Freeman friend who has actually seen a child's scull and bones in a Masonic Hall many moons ago. :(

Now I have quite a bit apart of my own accounts over the years of people's experiences but he said to me that an Illuminati child at the age of 12 is taken to ritual sacrifice.

When I asked why he said 'mind control' at an early age. That this leads back to ancient ritual practice.

I'd always dismissed my mates obsession with all this stuff as neurotic but today I kinda get the feeling there might just be some reason that I have sit up and wipe my eyes from the sleep.

[pi3141]

Personally from what I've heard first hand most people died from weakness, torture and starvation. The gassing period came very late on and clearly H was in a psychotic delusional state as he was well on the ropes by the time he started the cull. Much the same as the Generals in Serbia when they started their cull like a bastard breath of cruelty just to get revenge.

Now that also sounds extremely plausible to me. F*ck I don't know what to think.

I've been up 28 hours solid now and I'm dead on my feet, just thought I would check in before bed. So no more from me tonight.

[asgard]

Do these videos which I haven't watched seriously make you consider that this never happened.

It merely makes one pause to THINK, without emotion.

If they are I'm not watching them.

Your choice. But don't pretend you're a truthseeker if you refuse to look at something that may cause you to reavaluate a cherished belief. If you pick and choose what you'd prefer to know, then it can hardly be classed as truthseeking. Truth is often painful and unpalatable. Maybe this is true, maybe it isn't, but to ignore one side of the 'evidence' because it's emotionally uncomfortable is dishonest. Children run in terror from the darkness. Adults are supposed to face their fears.

The fact that he's Jewish earns it a watch. Nobody else could have made that without the conditioned kneejerk responses that the maker was racist, antisemite etc.

He risked a lot to bring us this. The ADL boasted they would murder his family, and he was eventually paid a 'visit'. He recanted reminiscent of the old Soviet spies. He's rarely seen in public now, and there is just his website which now pimps the official version. (I wonder if they stand over him while he updates, or if they actually do it on his behalf.)

It's only a few months since I learned about Birobidjan. I struggled with that one, for I'd completely bought into the "People Without A Land" lie. It's still flourishing by all accounts. http://www.birobidjan.co.uk/ If people like Lady Renauf weren't bringing this to our attention we'd have no choice but to believe the 'official' version.

Then I found a book by Douglas Reed. He doesn't mention Birobidjan as I think his narrative only went to the late 40's, but he documents the Zionist lies and collusion from Biblical times (Levites) into modern times. He was the John Pilger of his day and was a very famous correspondent during WW2. Then he disappeared, his books vanished from bookstores as if he never existed. You can read his final Magnum Opus online if you have the courage.

http://iamthewitness.com/books/Douglas.Reed/The.Controversy.of.Zion/00.Preface.htm

Ordinary Jews are just as trapped as the rest of us, and he gives a good account of why this is. Makes sense to me.

Nobody questions that millions died, merely the details, method and numbers. For if they are lying or exaggerating that, then what else could they be lying about? They lied about not having a homeland (I doubt the ordinary Jew has a clue about any of this. He has been programmed to be the victim forever persecuted, for no reason at all or because of the Crucifixtion, by the Goyim). Reed shows they were persecuted long before Christ (regardless of whether he existed) and why.

So why lie?

Approx 55 million civilians died during WW2 yet only "6 million" are worthy of remembrance. In fact if you look at the coverage of WW2 for the last few years it seems to have become all about the Jews. They have now become central.

Just because some preppy makes a video doesn't mean it's true.

No it doesn't. But it doesn't make the 'official' version true either. There is nothing one can't tear apart and examine in the tiniest detail - especially history.

Except for the details of the Holocaust.

Don't you find that odd?

[girlgye]

oh I think they can be examined. I don't claim to be a TRUTHSEEKER. Well one lone voice out of a how many?

And what was we saying about narcissistic attention seekers.

yes Jewish culture has been persecuted over millenia. I believe the reason for this is a. their own victim/elitist mentality and b. they have this mentality they have no homeland. c.give em a freaking homeland and leave em alone.

We are all gods creatures and we have a right to live in our tribes.

No.

I don't think they have a right to decimate Palistine.

Interestingly out of all the sub cultures in England and Wales the ones that are most despised by the most ignorant are Pakistanis for the very same reasons.

Maybe both cultures have a lot of growing up to do but for now they seem content to go to extraordinary lengths to maintain that status quo.

[pi3141]

Personally from what I've heard first hand most people died from weakness, torture and starvation. The gassing period came very late on and clearly H was in a psychotic delusional state as he was well on the ropes by the time he started the cull. Much the same as the Generals in Serbia when they started their cull like a bastard breath of cruelty just to get revenge.

Here's what flashed through my mind last night after reading Girgyes comment - in the video, Pof Piper the German scientist at Austwich, when asked by the interviewer about the build up of blue staining on the gas chamber walls (or lack of it) stated that there was enough staining to account for '20 to 30 mins use very 24 hours' I think (I'm presuming, as the videos are not clear) that he means throughout the war. i.e. everyday there was at least 1 gassing a day in that chamber for 5 or 6 years. And that figure is derived from the amount of blue staining present in the chamber.

Girlgyes comment last night that H started gassing in a revengeful manner at the end of the war I thought that may very well account for the blue staining and the eye witness accounts - let me explain.

By Prof Piper's calculations, 1 gassing every 24 hours for 5 or 6 years = 1 x 365 x 5 or 6 (years) = 1,825 or 2,190 gassings throughout the war years.

Ok, that could also be equated to continual 24 hour gassings, non stop daily, lets say 20 to 30 mins doing the disgusting deed, 20 to 30 mins to let the place air, 20 to 30 mins to clear the bodies and 10 to 20 mins to put new people in there. Which equals a gassing every 1.5 hours or 2 hours in a 24 hour period = 12 gassings a day (at least) or only working 12 hours a day 6 gassings a day. So, 1,825 gassings at 12 gassings a day = 152.08333 days of continual gassings or 2,190 gassings at 12 gassings a day (every 24 hours) = 182 days of continual gassings or approx 6 months of continual, round the clock gassings. If the gas chambers were operated during the day only for say 12 hours, you would double those figures to continual gassings for a year. Hence it is possible that the Jewish prisoners, in Austwich, at the end of the war could have witnessed, daily, non stop gassings for the last year of the war exactly as told by the Jewish prisoners to the allies when they got there and liberated the prisoners.

Taking into account that many prisoners in the camp at the beginning of the war were most likely not present at the end of the war then a large proportion of the prisoners in the camp at the end may of the war may only have been there for 6 months to a year. Then, at least to those prisoners bought in at the end, they would have witnessed daily, non stop gassings for the time they was there as told to the first allies to get to they camp. The prisoners liberated at the end may not have known if this had in fact been going on since the beginning of the war, but it would have been their own experience of the camp and they may have had no reason to believe otherwise. Hence, their witness testimonies are correct to the best of their knowledge.

This would also fit with H's state of mind, at the beginning he played fair and treated the prisoners reasonably well, knowing large numbers of prisoners would die from sickness anyway, plus he was using some for slave labour that would also die from exhaustion but not at the hands of the german soldiers, then towards the end as he got desperate he may well have ordered the camps step up their efforts, modify the chambers by knocking down interior walls to fit more prisoners in and start mass extermination.

Its just a thought, like I said I have not researched the Holocaust but after watching the video's and reading Girlgyes comment this theory came to my mind and don't forgot these numbers are derived from a revisionists research after the fact and the professors research many years later.

[girlgye]

:D The Calculations of a Scientist!

Yoshik your Zionist quotes:

It sounds to me like he HATES THE ENGLISH.

Fact is Jewish people are many races but mostly of the Semite race over a very broad diaspora which included Africa which is why there are black people of the Jewish faith. In every area they have ever settled in they have been ran out, had their possessions seized and threatened with killings.

So in an angry bearing in mind their savage victim history over millenia I put it to you that what he means is I would gladly let my brothers and sisters die in the Holocaust to create a continent where they can live free from persecution (bit idealistic mate) and being ran out of their homes and settlement. Than take them to England probably THE most politically correct country that has every existed on the planet. England was relatively the only country that was considering offering them the the refuge that would have been needed from the Expulsion from Russia they suffered at the time this was written.

[yozhik]

K.I.S.S

I suggest its very clear what he meant.
If it meant establishing a homeland, it would be worth sacrificing half the Jewish children in Germany.

Zionism was never about the security of Jews; it was about establishing a geo-political base for Zionism.
'Collateral damage' was a planned part of the deal; leverage by propagandised guilt association.
The Rothschild bankrolled War presented a perfect 'Jewish solution' to the Zionist agenda.


But seriously ... this is a huge topic and I would respectfully suggest, probably best left off the FOTL forum. :)

[girlgye]

Yeah draw a line in the sand.

[girlgye]

I've just been disassociating myself from my mood by watching the cole vids. Yes they seem very cogent and credible arguments. Like the fact that he exposes the corruption of the Corps behind the Eerie tourism movement to Auschwitz.

My heads itching with all the talk of lice though. :D

Yes good conclusive food for thought argument with a clear exposition that doesn't lead me down a rabbit warren.

Perhaps we freemen can learn from this. :cool:

[juddfinn]

Jewish culture has been persecuted over millenia. I believe the reason for this is a. their own victim/elitist mentality and b. they have this mentality they have no homeland. c.give em a freaking homeland and leave em alone.

We are all gods creatures and we have a right to live in our tribes.

No, I don't think they have a right to decimate Palistine.


Aren't there a whole bunch of "Jews" that are really Khazars, from Central Europe??? What right have they got to Ethnically cleanse the Palestinians, who were getting alone with the "real Jews" OK before?

It's all Fecked up Big Time:eek:

[girlgye]

Yes that is always the sad thing about creating homelands where people existed before.
Austrailia a case in point. Let's not go there with the rest of the world eh?