£100,000 free!!!!!!!!

[asky]

I will give the person who accesses my bond for me £100,000 tax free.

Its been around for a number of years now with Roger Elvick and Winston Shrout who has hosted seminars on how to access it so someone must know how to do it by now.

I await your responses to pick up this easy money.

asky

[yozhik]

The trolls are getting hungry again ...
:rolleyes:

[asky]

Unfortunatly the senior members have nothing of substance to feed it with

Why do you always label people who have a diffrent opinion than yourselves as trolls?
Dont you know you never learn anything from people who always agree with you?

asky

[yozhik]

Unfortunatly the senior members have nothing of substance to feed it with

Why do you always label people who have a diffrent opinion than yourselves as trolls?
Dont you know you never learn anything from people who always agree with you?

asky

asky ... I would enjoy mulling over your opinion.
Truly.

Unfortunately, you have chosen not to give it, other than 'the freeman on the land concept is a myth'.

Which aspects?
Why?
How have you come to this conclusion?
What sources have helped shape this opinion?
Do you have any personal experiences to share?
Can you offer any valid citations or references?

You know ... an opinion with reasons?

I welcome differing opinions - it helps me to reconsider and amend mine!

The troll label isn't for those who give a differing opinion with information that adds to the debate; its specifically reserved for those who don't give a differing opinion - those newbies who simply come in and dismiss without explanation ... every forum gets them; those who have received a 'higher calling' from their usual haunt, or just couldn't resist a 'my cock is bigger than your cock' dual - a form of cerebral masturbation ... pleasuring one's self [ego] with a little forum fracas.

[asky]

The reason I believe it is a myth is that I cannot find any evidence to back it up.
I cant put it any other way.
If you have evidence to back it up then post it but as you have had ample opportunity and not done I must assume you are in really in agreement with me but your "faith " to the cause wont allow you to admit it.
So I put it to you again as you try and drift the thread

Sort out my Bond for me and I will give you £100,000

asky

[gu3rr1lla]

I will give the person who accesses my bond for me £100,000 tax free.

Its been around for a number of years now with Roger Elvick and Winston Shrout who has hosted seminars on how to access it so someone must know how to do it by now.

I await your responses to pick up this easy money.

asky

You cant access it because its not yours to begin with :p

[girlgye]

The trolls are getting hungry again ...
:rolleyes:

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe heheheheheheheheheaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarggggggggggg ghhhhhhhhhhh.

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe heheheaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrgggggggggggg gggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh

[girlgye]

The reason I believe it is a myth is that I cannot find any evidence to back it up.
I cant put it any other way.
If you have evidence to back it up then post it but as you have had ample opportunity and not done I must assume you are in really in agreement with me but your "faith " to the cause wont allow you to admit it.
So I put it to you again as you try and drift the thread

Sort out my Bond for me and I will give you £100,000

asky

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe hehehehehe

sirry iot.

[gu3rr1lla]

The reason I believe it is a myth is that I cannot find any evidence to back it up.
I cant put it any other way.
If you have evidence to back it up then post it but as you have had ample opportunity and not done I must assume you are in really in agreement with me but your "faith " to the cause wont allow you to admit it.
So I put it to you again as you try and drift the thread

Sort out my Bond for me and I will give you £100,000

asky

Winstron Shrout and all these guys talking about the bond arent "freemen on the land" and their stuff isnt about the philosophy either. They're about contracting with them in their system called Commerce. They're not about freedom so please dont think just because they fail that the freeman on the land philosophy is a myth because commerce and trying to claim money with sheets of paper has nothing to do with it. These 'creditors in commerce' or winstron shrout never had any success. Even if you do get 100,000£ its debt and you're just worsening your childrens future. If they were about freedom they wouldnt be charging you 1000's of wrapping paper to give out this info.

[girlgye]

God to have that eject power of the button. Start slagging off david icke. heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh

It'll be down in a shot.
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehhe

[number_6]

asky, you have hit a very raw nerve. You have made a legitimate offer, which has fucked the freemen. They know deep down that this bond idea is crap, but continue to knowingly perpetuate the myth on here. They know your offer fucks them, so their response is to call you a troll. What other choice do they have? They can't access your bond and claim the prize because it doesn't exist, so all they can do is to go on the attack.
You have to understand the mindset of this forum. The majority of posters here are either still at school or are benefit scroungers. They all want something for nothing, to pay no bills, all at the expense of others.

[the nine]

asky, you have hit a very raw nerve. You have made a legitimate offer, which has fucked the freemen. They know deep down that this bond idea is crap, but continue to knowingly perpetuate the myth on here. They know your offer fucks them, so their response is to call you a troll. What other choice do they have? They can't access your bond and claim the prize because it doesn't exist, so all they can do is to go on the attack.
You have to understand the mindset of this forum. The majority of posters here are either still at school or are benefit scroungers. They all want something for nothing, to pay no bills, all at the expense of others.


a nice thoughtful post..
cant beat injecting some love and positivity into the world..
keep up the good work! :rolleyes:
why the fuck do you even post on here then?

[number_6]

[/B]

a nice thoughtful post..
cant beat injecting some love and positivity into the world..
keep up the good work! :rolleyes:
why the fuck do you even post on here then?

But what I said is all true.
Are YOU going to access asky's bond for him and claim the money? I doubt it, whilst you're at it claim mine and get double bubble. I publicly challenge you.
Why do I post? Because I do genuinely feel that newcomers here will believe all the bollocks posted and may land themselves in more trouble than they need.

[the nine]

I will give the person who accesses my bond for me £100,000 tax free.

Its been around for a number of years now with Roger Elvick and Winston Shrout who has hosted seminars on how to access it so someone must know how to do it by now.

I await your responses to pick up this easy money.

asky

I am interested..
can you provide me with your details, name, address, national insurance number, and proof of ID..your bank details for payment to me upon completion of, and a contract to legally bind this agreement to be signed by both of us.

Is there a specific time limit for the contract or is it open ended?
could you please type the full amount in English text.

thank you for this opportunity :)
you are a kind fellow..

[the nine]

But what I said is all true.
Are YOU going to access asky's bond for him and claim the money? I doubt it, whilst you're at it claim mine and get double bubble. I publicly challenge you.
Why do I post? Because I do genuinely feel that newcomers here will believe all the bollocks posted and may land themselves in more trouble than they need.

I am interested..
but you are anonymous to me currently.
can you provide me with your details, name, address, national insurance number, and proof of ID..your bank details for payment to me upon completion of, and a contract to legally bind this agreement to be signed by both of us.

Is there a specific time limit for the contract or is it open ended?
could you please type the full amount in English text.

thank you for this opportunity
you are a kind fellow..

[number_6]

I am interested..
can you provide me with your details, name, address, national insurance number, and proof of ID..your bank details for payment to me upon completion of, and a contract to legally bind this agreement to be signed by both of us.

Is there a specific time limit for the contract or is it open ended?
could you please type the full amount in English text.

thank you for this opportunity :)
you are a kind fellow..

So have you accessed your bond, or do you wish only to experiment with asky?

[the nine]

So have you accessed your bond, or do you wish only to experiment with asky?

i would require the requested information before I comment further..as you may simply log off and welsh or your agreement..

[number_6]

Answer the question:
HAVE YOU ACCESSED YOUR BOND?
Yes or NO
If you have, what the fuck would you want asky's £100,000 for?
(welsh? do you mean welch? or are we off to Swansea?)

[brainfreeze]

I'm curious about this Freeman deal too, and have read a little on here and followed links about it. I've also been accused of not wanting to do the research myself when I've asked questions. Gyegirl gave me a virtual slapping for asking and accused me of not wanting to do the leg work myself. When infact, I don't want to study law in order to understand this Freeman business only to find out, like the OP is trying to do, it is simply all hearsay with no substance to it. I was simply trying to establish if Freeman is the real deal or not. But just like this thread proves, they get touchy should you ask them to assist or prove anything.

Why is that?

PS: The monetary offer wont appeal to Freeman surely? :)

[the nine]

Answer the question:
HAVE YOU ACCESSED YOUR BOND?
Yes or NO
If you have, what the fuck would you want asky's £100,000 for?
(welsh? do you mean welch? or are we off to Swansea?)

details first..lets have a contract, then we can discuss your offer

welsh
  /wɛlʃ, wɛltʃ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [welsh, welch] Show IPA
–verb (used without object) Informal: Sometimes Offensive.
1. to cheat by failing to pay a gambling debt: You aren't going to welsh on me, are you?
2. to go back on one's word: He welshed on his promise to help in the campaign.
Also, welch.

[number_6]

I know that welch and welsh are the same, it was just a little joke FFS!

[gilly]

asky, you have hit a very raw nerve. You have made a legitimate offer, which has fucked the freemen. They know deep down that this bond idea is crap, but continue to knowingly perpetuate the myth on here. They know your offer fucks them, so their response is to call you a troll. What other choice do they have? They can't access your bond and claim the prize because it doesn't exist, so all they can do is to go on the attack.
You have to understand the mindset of this forum. The majority of posters here are either still at school or are benefit scroungers. They all want something for nothing, to pay no bills, all at the expense of others.

Apologies for 'drifting' slightly from the main topic, but this post is interesting.

Please back this up.

How big is this 'majority' of posters you speak of?

As a number, ratio or percentage, please advise how many of the posters here are still at school, and how many are 'benefit scroungers'?

When you say, 'They all want something for nothing...', does, 'They all,' refer to everyone on the forum, or just the people on benefits, or the people who are at school and those on benefits? How many of those claiming benefits on the forum have recently been made redundant, against their wishes?

[the nine]

I know that welch and welsh are the same, it was just a little joke FFS!

didnt sound like a joke..
it was question mark central that post :D (now thats a joke and good use of smilies too)
you could do with using the smilies provided in the reply box..even school children on here know that ;)

[number_6]

didnt sound like a joke..
it was question mark central that post :D (now thats a joke and good use of smilies too)
you could do with using the smilies provided in the reply box..even school children on here know that ;)

Touche! I'll accept that one:o

[yozhik]

asky ... number 6 ... just a small point, or rather two tiny questions; simple ones at that.

Your do know the difference between the Freeman On The Land movement and the Commercial Redemption movement, don't you?

Which of these two do you believe the whole 'accessing your bond' issue is connected to?

I'll give you a really big clue;
Rob of the Menard family is a Freeman On The Land.
Rob of the Menard family has stated he is not an active participant in the Commercial Redemption group.

[sorry Rob ... hope you don't mind me using you as an example without first asking :)]


asky ... after your ... errr, how many was it ... 6 months of research? ... you really should know how to distinguish between the two 'branches' of thought. Tut tut.

number_6 ... given the usual quality of your posts and contributions, I would have expected more from you on this matter too.

There are some who are exploring the FOTL theory.
There are others who are exploring the CD theory.
There are some who are exploring a combination of both.

Then there are the majority who are confused, haven't done the research, haven't put in the hours and have jumped to the conclusion that they are one and the same.

They are not mutually exclusive but neither are they entwined.

This is basic knowledge [for those that have bothered to do their own due diligence] - the fact you are ranting and challenging about bond access in connection with the Freeman On The Land concept being a myth on this forum speaks volumes about your commitment to seeking knowledge and comprehension.

Shame on you both.

[number_6]

Apologies for 'drifting' slightly from the main topic, but this post is interesting.

Please back this up.

How big is this 'majority' of posters you speak of?

As a number, ratio or percentage, please advise how many of the posters here are still at school, and how many are 'benefit scroungers'?

When you say, 'They all want something for nothing...', does, 'They all,' refer to everyone on the forum, or just the people on benefits, or the people who are at school and those on benefits? How many of those claiming benefits on the forum have recently been made redundant, against their wishes?

I can only speak as I find. I do read many posts here, and this is the impression I get. Many posters have no clue what they are talking about and can offer no serious proof to their claims apart of course for some pathetic link to a youtube clip, or a Winston Shrout/John Harris video, and they are infantile in their reasoning.
It would appear that the majority of posters in the FoL section are trying to avoid debts or get out of paying bills, and if you are seriously suggesting that a large number of posts on this forum are not concerned with a method of how to avoid paying debts that the posters are legally liable for, and want something for nothing, then I am obviously on a different forum to you.

[asky]

yozhick wrote
They are not mutually exclusive but neither are they entwined.

They are both nonsense though ;)

asky

[the nine]

yozhick wrote
They are not mutually exclusive but neither are they entwined.

They are both nonsense though ;)

asky

have you even read this????
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45945

I doubt it!
you are walking a narrowing path..

[asky]

Taken from posting guidelines
Any poster who wishes to disrupt or supress the information will be given points and may have restrictions placed on their account.

Now
I am encouraging debate.
If you interpret exposing misinformation as "surpressing information" then the site is doomed to failure.

If not blindly agreeing with unsubstantiated facts is "disruption" then I see no point to the entire site.

Do you only want people who will agree with the theories without question or do you want to have a healthy mixture of open minded individuals?

asky

[yozhik]

yozhick wrote
They are not mutually exclusive but neither are they entwined.

They are both nonsense though ;)

asky

Well done on avoiding the direct [simple] question and slipping back into your default status of troll.

6 months of research?
Really?

Either you suck at research or you're a blatant liar.
Using your theory of higher probability; I know which one my money is on.

[yozhik]

Do you only want people who will agree with the theories without question or do you want to have a healthy mixture of open minded individuals?

asky

asky ... maybe you should look in the mirror and ask the same questions.

Afterall,you were the one who summarily dismissed information re: MSO and car ownership in the U.S simply due to the site from whence it came.

You demand others to have an open mind whilst displaying all the characteristics of a sphincta muscle; clammed up and shut tight to keep your own shit in, whilst occasionally defacating and excreting.

quid pro quo.

You want open mind discussion?
Then come to the table with an open mind.

[asky]

I do know the diffrence between the two
Thats why we have two seperate threads ;)

One to show the term freeman ON the land is a myth
One for exposing the bond theory as a myth.

They both seem to be holding up pretty well at the moment

asky

[the nine]

Taken from posting guidelines
Any poster who wishes to disrupt or supress the information will be given points and may have restrictions placed on their account.

Now
I am encouraging debate.
If you interpret exposing misinformation as "surpressing information" then the site is doomed to failure.

If not blindly agreeing with unsubstantiated facts is "disruption" then I see no point to the entire site.

Do you only want people who will agree with the theories without question or do you want to have a healthy mixture of open minded individuals?

asky


are you purposely trying to disrupt this forum?

Freeman-On -The-Land Posting Guidelines
Hi all,

Please familiarise yourselves with the Forum Guidelines before posting in here.

This forum is likely to be home to some lively debates and some informative on-going research.

Please show some respect to fellow members by not deliberately derailing other people's threads with views or arguments which are off topic and have the purpose of antagonising the original poster.

Do not repeat posts or threads in order to saturate your views to others.

Any poster who wishes to disrupt or supress the information will be given points and may have restrictions placed on their account.

you constantly post
its all nonsense..

why have you decided that you wish to steer people away from the information on here?
who are you trying to save and from what?
what is your business here?
are you being paid for this service you have taken upon yourself?
is it solely for your own ego you try to derail this movement?
do you feel glib starting these threads?

[asky]

YOZHICK WROTE
You want open mind discussion?
Then come to the table with an open mind.

My mind is open and ready for you to show me how to access my bond and provide evidence that the term FMOTL is fact.
(you can do the DVLA one as well if you like)

asky

[asky]

the nine wrote
Do not repeat posts or threads in order to saturate your views to others.


Is that only when your views go against the grain?

If that rule was used properly then no one would ever repeat an opinion!
But as long as it goes with the flow I suppose its overlooked;)

asky

[the nine]

the nine wrote
Do not repeat posts or threads in order to saturate your views to others.


Is that only when your views go against the grain?

If that rule was used properly then no one would ever repeat an opinion!
But as long as it goes with the flow I suppose its overlooked;)

asky

you are derailing your own thread..:confused:
back to the OP
I said I accept your offer..i stated my needs and conditions..

please respond or end the thread!!

[asky]

You see I will need evidence that you are not a con-man and as such you must provide me with evidence that you have accessed your own bond or provide testimonials from others who are satisfied customers.

Would you give your personal details to a stranger on the net?

asky

[brainfreeze]

You see I will need evidence that you are not a con-man and as such you must provide me with evidence that you have accessed your own bond or provide testimonials from others who are satisfied customers.

Would you give your personal details to a stranger on the net?

asky

Do you think if you recind your original post re your bond and replace it with Anyone's Bond you'd have to pay out the money? I doubt it

[the nine]

You see I will need evidence that you are not a con-man and as such you must provide me with evidence that you have accessed your own bond or provide testimonials from others who are satisfied customers.

Would you give your personal details to a stranger on the net?

asky

that is a moot point..I would not offer £100,000 reward on a subject I know little about!!

it WAS your offer..the OP!

Now,put up..or shut up.

[yozhik]

(you can do the DVLA one as well if you like)

asky

I replied to your DVLA question.
You dismissed it because relevant information for the U.S parallel was sourced on a website you wrote off as a 'conspiracy site'.

Did you even bother to read any of the information on the link?

[number_6]

you are derailing your own thread..:confused:
back to the OP
I said I accept your offer..i stated my needs and conditions..

please respond or end the thread!!

the nine, why don't you instruct your solicitor to draw up a contract with the terms of your services and email it to asky so that he may then ask his own solicitor to go through the contract to make sure everything is tickety boo, then we could talk about disclosing identities.
asky has aked for a service, you have offered that service, so let him see the terms of your offer.

[asky]

I can offer £100,000 easily because if someone does access my bond money will be no object will it?

Thats the whole point its a win win situation.

Im surprised no one has challenged Winston Shrout ;)

asky

[brainfreeze]

I can offer £100,000 easily because if someone does access my bond money will be no object will it?

Thats the whole point its a win win situation.

Im surprised no one has challenged Winston Shrout ;)

asky

You mis-understand me. You are right, it's not safe to give out your details on the net, that's a valid point. But it nul and voids your original post. How can anyone reclaim YOUR bond if they don't have your details? But, they could (or could they?) reclaim THEIR bond and submit proof of this in order to claim your cash reward, is what I meant.

[number_6]

You mis-understand me. You are right, it's not safe to give out your details on the net, that's a valid point. But it nul and voids your original post. How can anyone reclaim YOUR bond if they don't have your details? But, they could (or could they?) reclaim THEIR bond and submit proof of this in order to claim your cash reward, is what I meant.

Er, forgive my ignorance, but if they accessed their own bond, what the fuck do they want with asky's money? Haven't they got enough?

[brainfreeze]

Er, forgive my ignorance, but if they accessed their own bond, what the fuck do they want with asky's money? Haven't they got enough?

Has anyone done it?

Maybe if they have they wouldn't take the OP up on his offer for the cash reward, but more so to prove it can be done? That's what I was thinking.

But you're right. It's a cash society and why do anything for nothing else but cash, especially when it comes to proving Freeman of the Land is in fact FACT and not myth?

Why compound the myth of a Yeti when you've got ol' Nessie swimming in your own pond?

[yozhik]

Im surprised no one has challenged Winston Shrout ;)

asky

If you're so confident - which you obviously are - why don't you?

[number_6]

If you're so confident - which you obviously are - why don't you?

Does one have to be confident to challenge Shrout? Is that why nobody at his seminars (£500 a pop) dare to question him?

[the nine]

the nine, why don't you instruct your solicitor to draw up a contract with the terms of your services and email it to asky so that he may then ask his own solicitor to go through the contract to make sure everything is tickety boo, then we could talk about disclosing identities.
asky has aked for a service, you have offered that service, so let him see the terms of your offer.

you have offered to double the money..now you are adding conditions..
this was NOT the original offer!

I want proof of your identity and indemnity and willingness to honour your financial incentive..those are my conditions.
as I said, I have everything to lose and you can disappear without any financial obligations or acceptance of debt..
you could simply rejoin the forum under a different username.

[yozhik]

Does one have to be confident to challenge Shrout? Is that why nobody at his seminars (£500 a pop) dare to question him?

Irrelevant and diversionary question.
The original question still stands; asky - why don't you challenge Winston Shrout?

[number_6]

you have offered to double the money..now you are adding conditions..
this was NOT the original offer!

I want proof of your identity and indemnity and willingness to honour your financial incentive..those are my conditions.
as I said, I have everything to lose and you can disappear without any financial obligations or acceptance of debt..
you could simply rejoin the forum under a different username.

No there is no addition of conditions. You have offered a service, is it not possible to see the terms of that service?
Are you concerned that somebody may actually call your bluff?

[the nine]

I will give the person who accesses my bond for me £100,000 tax free.

Its been around for a number of years now with Roger Elvick and Winston Shrout who has hosted seminars on how to access it so someone must know how to do it by now.

I await your responses to pick up this easy money.

asky

this is the offer!

I can offer £100,000 easily because if someone does access my bond money will be no object will it?

Thats the whole point its a win win situation.

Im surprised no one has challenged Winston Shrout ;)

asky

I feel you are fishing for information, which implies your offer may not actually genuine?

[yozhik]

the nine, why don't you instruct your solicitor to draw up a contract with the terms of your services and email it to asky so that he may then ask his own solicitor to go through the contract to make sure everything is tickety boo, then we could talk about disclosing identities.asky has aked for a service, you have offered that service, so let him see the terms of your offer.

'We' ?
'then we could talk about disclosing identites'?

:rolleyes:

Seems you have found a play mate number_6 ... did you invite him to this forum from your normal haunt as backup? All very chummy chummy.

:D

[the nine]

No there is no addition of conditions. You have offered a service, is it not possible to see the terms of that service?
Are you concerned that somebody may actually call your bluff?

I accepted both of your offers..
you put up a challenge, I accept..
I am waiting

[asky]

Do you really think if Shrout could access his or anybody elses bond he would be charging £500 for a seminar.

The easiest why to expose the idiot would be to turn up at his seminar and ask for ten tickets and a bill.

Then simply write "Accepted for value" accross it and see if he lets you in;)

asky

[yozhik]

Do you really think if Shrout could access his or anybody elses bond he would be charging £500 for a seminar.

The easiest why to expose the idiot would be to turn up at his seminar and ask for ten tickets and a bill.

Then simply write "Accepted for value" accross it and see if he lets you in;)

asky

I know this post.

I've seen it, almost word for word, on another forum.
From memory, it was the LandlordZONE forum - I'll need to go away and do some sifting ... something VERY familiar with your posts and attitude asky ... very familiar.

[number_6]

the nine, I think you have to step back and asses the situation. asky has made an offer if somebody can access his bond, and you have offerred a service to do it, but do not want to discuss the details. Before any agreement can be met, every aspect would have to be gone through minutely. The statement "access my bond" would have to be studied at depth. What is the agreement of the meaning of the term? Is the reward payable on completion subject to certain conditions, such as asky being able to obtain monies from that bond. This agreement may take weeks to finalise. You cannot expect to come into an internet forum and say "I'll have a go" and demand somebody's personal details. Why don't you construct a contract, laying out the precise terms of your services?
When you go to buy a house, do you look around, say "Yeah I'll have it" and then hand over 500 grand or whatever there and then? No? The house is offerred for sale, you agree to purchase, and then the contract is thrashed out.

[the nine]

the nine, I think you have to step back and asses the situation. asky has made an offer if somebody can access his bond, and you have offerred a service to do it, but do not want to discuss the details. Before any agreement can be met, every aspect would have to be gone through minutely. The statement "access my bond" would have to be studied at depth. What is the agreement of the meaning of the term? Is the reward payable on completion subject to certain conditions, such as asky being able to obtain monies from that bond. This agreement may take weeks to finalise. You cannot expect to come into an internet forum and say "I'll have a go" and demand somebody's personal details. Why don't you construct a contract, laying out the precise terms of your services?
When you go to buy a house, do you look around, say "Yeah I'll have it" and then hand over 500 grand or whatever there and then? No? The house is offerred for sale, you agree to purchase, and then the contract is thrashed out.
I did NOT offer a service, I accepted a challenge!
you are offering a variety of moot points..
fishing for information..
I have ACCEPTED HIS CHALLENGE!
you are now adding obstacles which do not exist.
there are NO services involved

[number_6]

Then, frankly you are being naive. You are asking asky to contract without declaring the terms of the contract.

[the nine]

Then, frankly you are being naive. You are asking asky to contract without declaring the terms of the contract.

there are no expressed or implied terms to his original offer, nor yours..

[number_6]

there are no expressed or implied terms to his original offer, nor yours..

Really? Care to elaborate?

[the nine]

Really? Care to elaborate?

NO
he even states

I await your responses to pick up this easy money.

this is worth £300,00 tax free to me..

I eagerly await

[asky]

Never been on landlordzone

Only ever 3 forums in my life.

I cant think why though they are a lot of fun :D

asky

[number_6]

NO


D'you know what? I somehow expected that reply;)

[number_6]

the nine, why do you eagerly await whilst your own bond sits there full of untold wealth? Get up off your backside and go get it!

[the nine]

D'you know what? I somehow expected that reply;)

how many times are you going to cast out your metaphorical fishing rod?
:cool:

[the nine]

the nine, why do you eagerly await whilst your own bond sits there full of untold wealth? Get up off your backside and go get it!

more fishing?!?!

[number_6]

Irrelevant and diversionary question.


Another irrelevant and diversionary statement by yozhik, he's good at that.

[number_6]

how many times are you going to cast out your metaphorical fishing rod?
:cool:

Don't worry, I've got plenty more. Are you still here? Why aren't you accessing that bond of yours?

[the nine]

Don't worry, I've got plenty more. Are you still here? Why aren't you accessing that bond of yours?

put up or shut up..simples!!

[number_6]

put up or shut up..simples!!

Are we losing our rag now?

[yozhik]

Another irrelevant and diversionary statement by yozhik, he's good at that.

number_6 ... the question still stands, is valid and highly relevant.

Why don't you or asky directly challenge Winston Shrout with your £100,000 ... no wait, £200,000 ... hold on, £300,000 challenge?

Have you done it?
If not, will you do it?
If 'no', why not?

[number_6]

Surely if this bond exists, would you not willingly pay £100,000 on completion of accessing it? Or do you fear that there may be less than £100,000 there after all.
As for Shrout, I would like to challenge him, however he charges £500 a seminar, which I consider poor value.
However, next time Shrout is in London, I do promise to order a ticket, and I will A4V the bill. If I am successful and obtain admission, I will challenge him. O.K?

[asky]

Here the nine I will give you a step by step guide to help you along


Freedom and sovereignty requires using the administrative process, dotting all of the is and crossing all of the ts. If done right you need never see another court.

1) Properly filing a UCC-1 form and establishing a lien upon your STRAWMAN and public record that you are not the STRAWMAN and in fact are the holder-in-due-course of it.

2) Making yourself the Power of Attorney over the corporate fiction.

3) Copyrighting your STRAWMAN's name. This doesn't just give you another defensive strategy it gives you a very important offensive weapon because from this point on anyone who is coming after your STRAWMAN for anything without your permission is trespassing on your commercial property.

4) Write a Notice of Understanding Intent Claim of Rights attach a FEE SCHEDULE.

5) Include Notice to secure your bond using your birth certificate trust which was created when you were born.

6) Notarize/Witness registered mail the package file to all interested parties from the Queen down.

7) Do a Notice of Default when they don't respond They can't rebut the truth so you win a default judgment that puts them into estoppel.

8) Get your books in order set-off your account and have a happy life.

9) Know thyself, and be a Freeman in common law with your public bond in place Lawful Legal.

The Bible is a book of laws and the remedy is in there too. You ever wonder why they distorted and twisted the meanings? The money changers are in the temple and they own all the printing presses. We aren't supposed to have this information and technology.

The tools have been there forever. You just have to learn to work the tools. It's simple technology once you learn the administrative process. A few different types of letters. You will never see a courthouse again.

Don't expect a boilerplate of forms and bonds and someone to fill it out for you If you can't do it yourself how are you going to uphold your law? Take a few days, plow through the videos read the samples and start building your case for standing. Share it with someone and work it together. Take responsibility and become a peace keeper.

You've possibly heard of the term judicial immunity a judge has or so-called unlimited immunity a clerk or a cop or an IRS agent is protected by his or her agency. Well it hardly exists at all. The only immunity any agent has is when they are within their jurisdiction, and they have no jurisdiction over you, the real live person.

When you know the difference between who you are and who you've been led to believe you are (a corporate fiction)and how to effectively assert this difference the scales of justice are unlocked and the balance of power tilts back to your favor.

Proceed with all due diligence. This is the last this thing the men behind the curtain want. So they aren't about to cut you any slack if you do this wrong! It is an absolute imperative that you know the law and present an airtight case.

Complete freedom means great responsibility and complete liability.

asky

Sorry forgot the disclaimer
While those of us piecing this information together feel it is vital knowledge. The previous collected works could be and is perhaps just enough information for you to land yourself a lot of legal troubles. Before journeying on any of the information provided please understand what you yourself are doing and leave no questions unanswered and no stone unturned before embarking. All the best and may you find your light.

[smoke n mirrors]

asky,
You have to understand the mindset of this forum. The majority of posters here are either still at school or are benefit scroungers. They all want something for nothing, to pay no bills, all at the expense of others.

How exactly are establishing your claim , that the majority here fall within the categories you describe? I would consider myself to be pretty average, when it comes to being a user of this forum - I don't fit your descriptions.

But what I said is all true.
Are YOU going to access asky's bond for him and claim the money? I doubt it, whilst you're at it claim mine and get double bubble. I publicly challenge you.
Why do I post? Because I do genuinely feel that newcomers here will believe all the bollocks posted and may land themselves in more trouble than they need.

When I was new to the forum, I read your posts and afforded you the same level of integrity in my mind as any other contributer here. It didn't take me long to form my own opinion of you, and the value of your post. I can't say that I hold you in a favorable light. You don't have an open mind and your view is s blinkered too the extreme.

Your petty attempts to discredit or detract from other members posts, by correcting grammatical error and spelling is tedious to say the least. When you are found to be the architect of such an error, in the process of your chastisement of another member - you attempt to cover your tracks.
It is my belief that your correction of The 9, was written as an authoritative correction. That is the tone I detected from the way you expressed it in your writing. Your failure to take his correction on the chin demonstrates more about your character, than I think you understand. ;)

I think it would be wise to avoid wild generalizations, when referring to members of this forum. If we wish to explore issues, that go against your own blinkered view thats our problem. The fundamental elements of the freeman-on-the-land movement, are self responsibility and determination.

.

[number_6]

When I was new to the forum, I read your posts and afforded you the same level of integrity in my mind as any other contributer here. It didn't take me long to form my own opinion of you, and the value of your post. I can't say that I hold you in a favorable light. You don't have an open mind and your view is s blinkered too the extreme.


That's OK. I am pleased that you have formed an opinion of me, so that it may in the future prejudice your reading of any posts of mine and afford you a preformed evaluation of them. Perhaps it would be better for you to ignore what I say, if you do not agree with it? Or do you feel that I should be censored or banned?

[straight4ward]

I'm curious about this Freeman deal too, and have read a little on here and followed links about it. I've also been accused of not wanting to do the research myself when I've asked questions. Gyegirl gave me a virtual slapping for asking and accused me of not wanting to do the leg work myself. When infact, I don't want to study law in order to understand this Freeman business only to find out, like the OP is trying to do, it is simply all hearsay with no substance to it. I was simply trying to establish if Freeman is the real deal or not. But just like this thread proves, they get touchy should you ask them to assist or prove anything.

Why is that?

PS: The monetary offer wont appeal to Freeman surely? :)


Mr Brainfreeze feel at ease..

This thread is allready só off topic, but I would like to give you my answer if I may. Personally I don´t know to much about this Freeman concept, I don´t know to much about the law either as a matter of fact,
but never the less I would like to give it a shot to answer your question.

My interest in this movement came from a sort what religious interrest (contracts what do they mean etc..) but that´s a whole other subject but I stumbled so to speak over the term ¨capitis diminutio¨ and how it means waving goodbye your natural rights, and I didn´t like the idea of not knowing and waving away my rights..

I feel the need to say, I see here on this thread and other threads as well certain individuals that are the equivalent of masturbating (non productive) not to them selfs or to anyone else

See it a bit as, well, we here on the David Icke site right, and people are more than often trying to discredit the person instead of the information, if the would seriously/sincerely look into things they can offer a fair debate in agreement or in disagreement but at least educated..

Look I found these links most interesting, I hope it helps you bit to get some information, a what more open view about the Law and your responsibilities as a person and the meaning of consent and dissent

greetings strght4wrd :)

http://video.google.es/videosearch?q=natural+law&hl=es&emb=0&aq=f#q=Robert+A+Menard+the+magni+deception&hl=es&view=2&emb=0&start=30&qvid=Robert+A+Menard+the+magni+deception&vid=6729904244308031068

http://www.livevideo.com/video/80869D3EAEEC4BB4A745ED4317C3B67C/intro-to-your-human-rights-1.aspx?lastvcid=824374

[smoke n mirrors]

That's OK. I am pleased that you have formed an opinion of me, so that it may in the future prejudice your reading of any posts of mine and afford you a preformed evaluation of them. Perhaps it would be better for you to ignore what I say, if you do not agree with it? Or do you feel that I should be censored or banned?

I'm not that big a fool that I would ignore posts from you or anyone else for that matter. The insane, sometimes come out with the most illuminating revelations that others overlook. There for I wouldn't be so discriminating or damming of anyones opinions - especially within the confines of an anonymous forum you could be a genius yet to be discovered for all I know. :)

Oh I forgot to add I don't subscribe to censorship or banning because of a persons opinions.
.

[number_6]

I feel the need to say, I see here on this thread and other threads as well certain individuals that are the equivalent of masturbating (non productive) not to them selfs or to anyone else


I do understand why you have formed that opinion, however, perhaps you might consider that it may not be the case. (masturbation that is) I have studied some law, and have come to the conclusion that the freeman concept is a myth. That is fine in itself, and I have no issue with forums such as this continuing to perpetuate that myth.
However, we do see cases where a newbie comes to such a forum with a legal problem and follows advice given by others, (others that is who have no personal experience of such matters but freely give out stupid advice) and the follower of this advice is subsequently dragged before a Court and may suffer a worse consequence than need be.
Many of the theories posted here are just theories. Not backed up with evidence (apart from some youtube link) and the reader should at all times be aware of that.

[asky]

Here,Here number6

asky

[yozhik]

Surely if this bond exists, would you not willingly pay £100,000 on completion of accessing it? Or do you fear that there may be less than £100,000 there after all.
As for Shrout, I would like to challenge him, however he charges £500 a seminar, which I consider poor value.
However, next time Shrout is in London, I do promise to order a ticket, and I will A4V the bill. If I am successful and obtain admission, I will challenge him. O.K?

Sounds incredibly reasonable. :)
But why worry about a ticket to a seminar?
Surely a simple challenge can be done via a simple email?

[tien an]

I will give the person who accesses my bond for me £100,000 tax free.

Its been around for a number of years now with Roger Elvick and Winston Shrout who has hosted seminars on how to access it so someone must know how to do it by now.

I await your responses to pick up this easy money.

asky

I hope you don't think you'll be able to access 'cash' as we know it?
It is my understanding that 'accessing your bond' means that you can set-off costs incurred...not access the money (fiat or otherwise) with which to pay them.

So, when someone proves to you that it works, I hope you have £100,000 sitting in the bank waiting because if not, you may find yourself in some uncomfortably hot water...particularly if you have contracted with someone.

Just a thought.

(No; I can't access your bond for you. I don't know how to do it yet: My study of the subject hasn't brought me that far along the road).

Here's another thought (I'm paraphrasing Edison): "It took me over 200 attempts to make the light bulb work...but I refuse to see these attempts as failures...I found 199 ways that it can't be done".

tian an.

[number_6]

Sounds incredibly reasonable. :)
But why worry about a ticket to a seminar?
Surely a simple challenge can be done via a simple email?

No,I am serious. I would rather do it publicly in a seminar, especially if it is being filmed. I think though I would make the challenge more interesting however. I would offer Shrout a 50% commission on all benefits that are obtained by myself from this bond. As long as me obtaining these benefits does not make me liable to a prison sentence. That would be an offer he could not refuse.
I will apply for a ticket, if he comes back to London, but the condition is that the invoice for the ticket must be A4V'd by myself and accepted.

[asky]

TIEN AN Wrote
So, when someone proves to you that it works, I hope you have £100,000 sitting in the bank waiting because if not, you may find yourself in some uncomfortably hot water...particularly if you have contracted with someone.


Why would I need the money I could A4V their bill ;)

asky

[tien an]

TIEN AN Wrote
So, when someone proves to you that it works, I hope you have £100,000 sitting in the bank waiting because if not, you may find yourself in some uncomfortably hot water...particularly if you have contracted with someone.


Why would I need the money I could A4V their bill ;)

asky

No...you offered £100,000.

tian an.

[number_6]

I hope you don't think you'll be able to access 'cash' as we know it?


Of course not. I don't think you can access anything;)

[yozhik]

This is turning into nothing more than a wankfest.
Someone call me when the egos have left and the rational and reasonable debate returns.
Last one out; turn the lights off.

[tien an]

This is turning into nothing more than a wankfest.


...not for the lack of trying...


tian an.

[straight4ward]

[QUOTE=number_6;1058427227]I do understand why you have formed that opinion, however, perhaps you might consider that it may not be the case. (masturbation that is) I have studied some law, and have come to the conclusion that the freeman concept is a myth. That is fine in itself, and I have no issue with forums such as this continuing to perpetuate that myth.
However, we do see cases where a newbie comes to such a forum with a legal problem and follows advice given by others, (others that is who have no personal experience of such matters but freely give out stupid advice) and the follower of this advice is subsequently dragged before a Court and may suffer a worse consequence than need be.
Many of the theories posted here are just theories. Not backed up with evidence (apart from some youtube link) and the reader should at all times be aware of that.[/QUOT

2 things,

1- Who the shoe fits, wears it..

2- On your point of caution, I must agree! I do realize and I think everyone must realize that many advise as good as bad they might be, they are nothing but advise from a unknown source.
Good Point, I wished all your comments where like that. :D StraightUp

[number_6]

I wished all your comments where like that. :D StraightUp

I have always been under the impression that they were! Oh well.

[number_6]

Someone call me when the egos have left and the rational and reasonable debate returns.


OK, on a serious note, yozhik. May I ask you one specific question which I hope you consider rational and reasonable?
Do you beleive that Winston Shrout's seminars are truthful or not?

[yozhik]

OK, on a serious note, yozhik. May I ask you one specific question which I hope you consider rational and reasonable?
Do you beleive that Winston Shrout's seminars are truthful or not?

Don't take this as a deflection; I have never been to a Winston seminar, so am not really prepared to form a firm opinion.

On a serious note, to reflect yours; there is much of this I am still undecided on.
However, I still intend to explore with an open mind.
I'm cynical about most things, if not everything. :)
Much of it rings 'true', to some extent, but for me to commit, I need something more tangible.
However, until I have exhausted EVERY avenue, I don't write anything off.
That's more a self-defeating curse than a positive quality, but its how I 'operate'.
I guess that's a really long winded way of saying that I'm officially sitting on the fence.

Some aspects of it 'feel' right; very right.
Others don't.

I'm sure there will be some who will be dismissive or critical of what amounts to a non-decision decision, but that's why I'm here, doing the research that I'm doing ... to gain knowledge and to develop an informed opinion.

I make no apologies for that, nor is one required.

[tien an]

No...you offered £100,000.

tian an.

You've gone awfully quiet asky....


tian an.

EDIT: ah, you've logged-off. Going by your own reasoning (probabilities...the fact that hundreds have viewed the thread without contributing...), I surmise that you have nothing left to say?

[number_6]

Don't take this as a deflection; I have never been to a Winston seminar, so am not really prepared to form a firm opinion.

On a serious note, to reflect yours; there is much of this I am still undecided on.
However, I still intend to explore with an open mind.
I'm cynical about most things, if not everything. :)
Much of it rings 'true', to some extent, but for me to commit, I need something more tangible.
However, until I have exhausted EVERY avenue, I don't write anything off.
That's more a self-defeating curse than a positive quality, but its how I 'operate'.
I guess that's a really long winded way of saying that I'm officially sitting on the fence.

Some aspects of it 'feel' right; very right.
Others don't.

I'm sure there will be some who will be dismissive or critical of what amounts to a non-decision decision, but that's why I'm here, doing the research that I'm doing ... to gain knowledge and to develop an informed opinion.

I make no apologies for that, nor is one required.

I admire your honesty. I have made the decision that it is an untruth. I wish it were true, and hope one day to be proved wrong, but I cannot forsee that. I have personal contacts within shall we say "departments" who when questioned by myself about such matters pissed themselves with laughter to the extent that I knew it to be untrue.

[number_6]

Yo I surmise that you have nothing left to say?

I wouldn't bank on it. I'm sure that asky has plenty more to offer;)

[dantesinferno]

whenever you ask for evidence on anything in this section you get attacked, number 6 pretty much sums it up.

[yozhik]

I wouldn't bank on it. I'm sure that asky has plenty more to offer;)

He has offered nothing to date, but I am sure he has more to post.
There is nothing new in what he posts.
Same old tired cliche ridden dismissals.
It neither advances the argument 'for' nor 'against'.

Watch ... he will soon grow bored and slither back from whence he hatched.
:rolleyes:

[asky]

Tien an
I did offer £100,000 and when I write "Accepted for value" on the bill that is exactly what he/she wil get because as you know my signature creates the money ;)

Any way I have made my point now on this issue and people reading it will see the truth.
My job is done on this thread I think I will have a troll sorry trawl :) around the forum and see what other theories are worthy of my time.

asky

[mossdog]

im new here and have been reading through the threads

and my initial observation is that any one who asks, what seems to me at least, quite reasonable question involving proof or evidence is just attacked

That makes me suspicious of both the creditability of the view and the intellectual integrity( and ability ) of the poster

As, if it were true they would be only to happy to answer the points, rather than launch attacks on the questioner


Would they not ?

[number_6]

and my initial observation is that any one who asks, what seems to me at least, quite reasonable question involving proof or evidence is just attacked


I've got used to it. I'm a troll, an agent, a spy, a giver of misinformation etc etc. Many hate me for questioning. But, I would point out, I have yet to see a shred of evidence posted in the FoL forum.

[asky]

Thought so "no evidence"
Yet they still try to perpetrate the myth I wonder why that is?

I suppose Common Sense like Common Law is not so Common after all ;)

asky

[merlincove]

YOZHICK WROTE
You want open mind discussion?
Then come to the table with an open mind.

My mind is open and ready for you to show me how to access my bond and provide evidence that the term FMOTL is fact.
(you can do the DVLA one as well if you like)

asky

asky, please learn how to use the quote function. It is very easy. Hit the 'quote' button at the bottom right of the post you wish to quote. If you wish you can edit out any text to reply to a specific line in the post, or highlight and bold it as is your prerogative.

thanks

[asky]

Thanks merlin I am new to this site and your help is appreciated

asky

[merlincove]

Here the nine I will give you a step by step guide to help you along


Freedom and sovereignty requires using the administrative process, dotting all of the is and crossing all of the ts. If done right you need never see another court.

...



asky your comprehension here is a breath of fresh air in comparison to your other posts :D

You clearly have a working knowledge, and i wonder then, if you are here to teach or to antagonise the freeman threads? :rolleyes:

You’re questions in respect of accessing of bond, are in form quite pointed as it is a very difficult arena to field.

As yet, on my own journey, I have not looked into the bond and tbh have no interest in that aspect of my research.

For me the freeman on the land is about reclaiming ones sovereignty and becoming free of the state of control that is exerted upon each of us as we are accredited into society. This for me is the prime of all freeman considerations.

That anyone can hold jurisdiction over me has always seemed inherently wrong, that I should be forced to pay a corporate body a proportion of the money I earn simply because they judge themselves as more equal than I is transient to commercial rape. The government are in effect raping our sense of life, given that they steal x% of our income which equates to the days of our lives when viewed over a lifetime. My sweat and my toil are given at a cost, then why should a private corporate body who allows me no consideration declare that I am to give of my life, sweat and toil, to give of the time I have been allotted by Divine Provenance, time that I could be spending with my loved ones, why should anyone decree that I should give this time to them in the form of taxes. To my sense of reasoning that is inherently wrong.

But I digress, it is difficult to formulate a response given the other subject matters created by yourself. But in effect I am saying that no, the concept of freeman on the land is not mythical, although certain aspects of it, such as the conception / existence of bond have generic flaws and are, at this moment nothing but whimsical considerations.

The whole bond scenario is a mine field of understandings and I will be the first to admit leaves me puzzled as to its integrity or existence, although I can wholly comprehend its lure.

But in discussing such whimsical considerations, we are able to shape a fuller comprehension of it in an allude to a furtherance of settlement.

Discussing these concepts and addressing the shortfalls are inherent factors that will lead either to successful conclusion and an over standing in which we can effectively shape a claim into reality, or else discover a pointless pursuit. But even in the later, we uncover an understanding which leads to the ever present over standing.

:D

[asky]

Being free is a state of mind.
I sense that a lot of people who come to these sites will never be free because they empower the things that enslave them and are forever looking for the negative things in life.

Its about a mindset.

I work and pay all my taxes I pay TV licence
Why you may ask, well for a start I get a good wage for what I consider a nice easy job I have an excellent standard of living, I can come and go as I please, the streets are relatively safe.

All in all a totally stress free life.
Now I could look at all the negative things in the world including the various conspiracy theories about the illuminati and NWO but frankly why should I give them the time of day?

Fretting over these isssues that you have no control over is counter productive.

Read a few books on Yoga and chill out
This lifes too short to be wasted worrying.

asky

[yozhik]

Being free is a state of mind.
I sense that a lot of people who come to these sites will never be free because they empower the things that enslave them and are forever looking for the negative things in life.

Its about a mindset.

I work and pay all my taxes I pay TV licence
Why you may ask, well for a start I get a good wage for what I consider a nice easy job I have an excellent standard of living, I can come and go as I please, the streets are relatively safe.

All in all a totally stress free life.
Now I could look at all the negative things in the world including the various conspiracy theories about the illuminati and NWO but frankly why should I give them the time of day?

Fretting over these isssues that you have no control over is counter productive.

Read a few books on Yoga and chill out
This lifes too short to be wasted worrying.

asky

Nice post asky! :)

The way I see it, the status quo is absolutely fine for some people ... hell, let's be honest, for MOST people.

I don't have an issue with that.
For many, the 'benefits and privileges' that are available in return for adhering to the rules of the game is seen as equal and fair consideration.
It is a social contract that for many, is one they are happy to be party to.

It has never felt right for me.
I don't pine for the Nanny State.
Taking responsibility for my actions sits very comfortably with me.
I do not need some perceived authority figure to tell me how to live my life.
There is absolutely zero malice in my DNA and I have no desire whatsoever to interact in a negative manner with my fellow man.

I don't see why those subscribing to the 'status quo' can't life side by side with those that want to remove the shackles and take responsibility.

There is absolutely nothing the current political structure and the policing of it offers me. Nothing.
I don't believe in its integrity, its purpose, its vision, its application, its structure nor its claims of being representative of the people.

It does not 'represent' me nor my ideals.
It does not relate to me.
There is no 'agreement'.
My consent to be governed by a group of people with whom I have nothing in common is not given.
Why would it be?

Would you sign a contract you don't agree with?
Of course not; that would be completely irresponsible ... the actions of a 'child'. :)

No thank you ... its not for me.

[smoke n mirrors]

^ +1

asky,

Why do you assume, that members of this forum who are examining the world of being a freeman-on-the-land have a negative mind set?

My mind set is far from negative - as a matter of fact the FMOTL movement is to me a refreshing and uplifting journey. I have walked the walk and talked the talk on your side of the track. I was never content that it encompassed, any of my thoughts on morality in any shape or form. Personally I don't find it acceptable, that unjust war is waged by a government that falsely claims to be acting with my blessing. I can't see how a just and fair society can pay workers such as nurses a poor salary, while non-productive parasites reap obscene remuneration and bonuses, or an education system that indoctrinates the minds of children. I can't tolerate self serving Politicians, who make corrupt decisions without fear of penalty.

We are responsible for our own decisions - we all have to live with the consequences of our own actions/inactions. I have no issues with standing up for what I believe is right, regardless of the size of the minority sharing my position.

If you're content with things the way they are, then good for you. If you are at such peace with yourself and the system you serve, why are you moved sufficiently to come here and proclaim, that we are negative thinkers. Why are you so interested in trying to discourage us from pursuing our own interests?

I fail to see why you are concerned, unless our activities could impact on your perfect existence, which you outlined in your post. If that is the case then surely negativity seems to be coming from you.

I'm glad you have found the perfect niche for yourself. Perhaps now you could let us find ours.

.

[asky]

Smoke and mirrors wrote
Why are you so interested in trying to discourage us from pursuing our own interests?

Im not trying to stop anybody going their own way, but I am concerned when people who have not tread the path start advising others to do it and using them as guinea pigs.

asky

[smoke n mirrors]

The whole point it not to be anyone else's guinea pig. Unfortunately one will have to stick their neck out, of their own accord to test their theory. There is a distinct difference. This forum is a shared experience, where people come together in order to explore concepts and experiences - in order to limit the suffering others may suffer, should they encounter similar circumstance and obstacles.

No one is forced to take the plunge and all are encouraged to follow due diligence. Due to the situation some people find themselves in under the current economic climate, they may feel the risk of testing the waters is a worthy course of action. They have a choice.

.

[gordysmit]

The reason I believe it is a myth is that I cannot find any evidence to back it up.
I cant put it any other way.
If you have evidence to back it up then post it but as you have had ample opportunity and not done I must assume you are in really in agreement with me but your "faith " to the cause wont allow you to admit it.
So I put it to you again as you try and drift the thread

Sort out my Bond for me and I will give you £100,000

asky

Sorry but I am not intrested in any money or your money Its all been the same money is only evil and people only fight over it

[tien an]

Tien an
I did offer £100,000 and when I write "Accepted for value" on the bill that is exactly what he/she wil get because as you know my signature creates the money ;)

Any way I have made my point now on this issue and people reading it will see the truth.
My job is done on this thread I think I will have a troll sorry trawl :) around the forum and see what other theories are worthy of my time.

asky

asky, whether the concept of what we are discussing here is flawed / erroneous or otherwise, what you have stated above shows just how little you have taken in...
Acceptance for Value (whether it exists or not) has nothing to do with 'receiving' cash at all...it's about setting-off a demand for payment against the value of your bond. That is one of the supposed rules of the game...

The fact that you are trying to now wriggle out of your original offer of paying someone £100,000 just makes me wonder how honest you are, or how much integrity you possess.
No amount of posting the contrary will hide the fact that in your first post, you offered money, not 'something to the value of...', but money.

Just for the record; I don't know whether this concept has legs or not.
It may well be that it doesn't.
But to twist the fundamentals of the concept to your own ends will only lead to misunderstanding...for everyone.

This in not a personal attack: It is a response to what you have posted.

tian an.

[asky]

Tein an wrote
just makes me wonder how honest you are, or how much integrity you possess.

then wrote
This in not a personal attack

Looks like it was meant to be personal to me but I dont mind as its impossible to be personal on a forum as no one can say anything personal to someone they dont know.

Remember that when I say something that appears to be below the belt.

I wish people would just be honest when they post rather than trying to be some peace loving hippy who never intends to offend (no offence intended ;))

asky

[tien an]

whenever you ask for evidence on anything in this section you get attacked, number 6 pretty much sums it up.

That's a bit of a sweeping generalisation, dantesinferno.

Whilst it's true that some jump at the throat of anyone who questions the concept of Freeman-on-the-Land or Commercial Redemption, I'd say the majority present a balanced, thought-through point of view.

number_6 has had some 'tussles' in the past, but this is usually because of his attitude at the time of posting. At other times his posts are thought-provoking and stimulating.

I am puzzled that some have now resorted to posting disinformation, rather than discussing / debating the issues raised.

Anyone who sneers at a concept without having first studied it fully is insulting their own intelligence.

tian an.

[tien an]

Looks like it was meant to be personal to me but I dont mind as its impossible to be personal on a forum as no one can say anything personal to someone they dont know.

Remember that when I say something that appears to be below the belt.

I wish people would just be honest when they post rather than trying to be some peace loving hippy who never intends to offend (no offence intended ;))

asky

(bold above): This is probably because you can't see my point, which is that the integrity and honesty of anyone who offers one thing and then tries to offer something else instead should be questioned.

I repeat; it's not a personal attack.
Point taken; I'll make an effort to express myself more clearly in future.

So...are you offering money? Or have you changed the offer?

tian an.

[number_6]

Anyone who sneers at a concept without having first studied it fully is insulting their own intelligence.

tian an.

True, but you cannot be sure that a poster who sneers on this forum hasn't already done his research before posting here.

[tien an]

True, but you cannot be sure that a poster who sneers on this forum hasn't already done his research before posting here.

Well...someone who thinks that 'accessing their bond' will produce cash has obviously not done their research.

What is your point?
Or is this just another obfuscatory statement?

tian an.

[asky]

If someone gives me a bill for £100,000 I will pay it with my bond (after they have accessed it of course) are you saying it will not be settled by A4V?

asky

[number_6]

What is your point?
Or is this just another obfuscatory statement?



What a stupid question. You assumed that anybody who sneers at concepts on here has not researched it. I replied, that in fact the reason they have sneered may be, just may be, due to the fact they have already researched before posting and know it to be a myth. What is hard to understand about that?

[tien an]

If someone gives me a bill for £100,000 I will pay it with my bond (after they have accessed it of course) are you saying it will not be settled by A4V?

asky

I don't know what you've been reading asky, but from what I can tell, the bond can be used to offset certain costs...those costs which are incurred in claiming (some of) your human rights: Shelter (including energy), food, clothing and education.
This is my understanding of the situation so far...

I (like you) have yet to find anything that states that cash may be obtained through the bond.

I hope that answers your question.

Do you really find your offer attractive?
(Dig me a hole...treasure might be there...and I'll give you some of it if you find it).

tian an.

[asky]

tien an hopelessly optimistically wrote
I don't know what you've been reading asky, but from what I can tell, the bond can be used to offset certain costs...those costs which are incurred in claiming (some of) your human rights: Shelter (including energy), food, clothing and education.
This is my understanding of the situation so far...

Would you like to share what you have been reading to be able to make such a ludicrous statement

asky

[tien an]

What a stupid question. You assumed that anybody who sneers at concepts on here has not researched it. I replied, that in fact the reason they have sneered may be, just may be, due to the fact they have already researched before posting and know it to be a myth. What is hard to understand about that?

Keep your hair on...it's not like you to lose it so quickly.

If someone has researched it and knows it to be a myth...then kindly point me in the direction of that information. You may just be saving me a lot of time and energy...for which I would be grateful.
Until then, I'll carry on looking for something that may well exist...whether I'm 'tilting at windmills' or not

I have never, ever said that I can prove that this whole concept exists at all.
Then again, I have never seen anyone prove that it doesn't exist.

If someone can prove to me that the whole concept is erroneous...they have every right to sneer. Hell; I might even join them.

tian an.

[dantesinferno]

That's a bit of a sweeping generalisation, dantesinferno.

Whilst it's true that some jump at the throat of anyone who questions the concept of Freeman-on-the-Land or Commercial Redemption, I'd say the majority present a balanced, thought-through point of view.

well my comment was based on reading this section of the forum and the few posts I have made here, there is little evidence here of this concept working,

girlgye's experience was about the most concrete that I have read here and brave as girlgye is they still banged her up and crushed her car.

I would love to be truly free, but being really honest reading half this stuff gives me a headache and I know it's not through lack of intelligence.

and the point about trying not to pay for stuff is valid as half the post are people asking how to get out of paying for stuff like debts and fines.

surely not paying your debts or valid fines isn't being responsible for oneself is it?.

this is just my point of view, not trying to troll or insult anyone, and as I have already stated I know little of this stuff but what I have tried to read here.

[number_6]

girlgye's experience was about the most concrete that I have read here and brave as girlgye is they still banged her up and crushed her car.


But still many here believe you need no MoT, insurance or VRM.
You're on the right track dantesinferno.

[tien an]

tien an hopelessly optimistically wrote


Would you like to share what you have been reading to be able to make such a ludicrous statement

asky

So, I'm "hopelessly optimistic" and make "ludicrous" statements...and you say this before you even know what I have seen / read / heard, or otherwise?
*shakes head incredulously...

Search for ACriticalState on youtube, watch a few of his interviews with 'Dom' and 'Vic'. These two guys give seminars (much like Winston Shrout), here in England.

Watch all of Winston Shrout's videos on the Internet.

Just a couple of places to start...

I'm not saying that they are absolutely right in what they say...but what they say is interesting enough to warrant investigation.
There is also too much information there to post here.

That's where I've been (among other places), how about you?

My 'ludicrous' statement should have given you some insight as to my attitude to this: I'm not after 'money'. (At the risk of making yet another ludicrous statement...) I'd like to be able to drink from a stream without being taxed for it...it belongs to me after all (and you...).

Call me a deluded romantic...I'll thank you for it.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

While I'm posting...a little earlier, you said you "work, pay all your taxes..."
So do I.
Are you happy though, knowing that the greater part of that money goes to fighting (illegal) wars on the other side of the world, when that money could be used to better our country...educate our populace to the standard we should be at this point in the progression of our civilisation?
Are you happy in the knowledge that another part of those taxes will, for many years to come go toward paying for the bank bailouts of recent times?
(Bailouts that were necessary thanks to the irresponsible and, in some cases reprehensible actions of a relative few.)

My questions immediately above, before you say it, are not irrelevant: they have everything to do with the reasons behind my search to find a way of levelling the playing field in the world of commerce.
(Not in my name, thank you).

tian an.

PS Are you going to answer any of my questions regarding your offer?

[asky]

tien an wrote
I'm not saying that they are absolutely right in what they say...but what they say is interesting enough to warrant investigation.

http://www.urbanmyths.com/
Im not saying anything on this site is absolutly right but they warrant further investigation:D

Are you happy though, knowing that the greater part of that money goes to fighting (illegal) wars on the other side of the world, when that money could be used to better our country...educate our populace to the standard we should be at this point in the progression of our civilisation?

Im not really interested I only get involved in things where I can actually make an impact

Are you happy in the knowledge that another part of those taxes will, for many years to come go toward paying for the bank bailouts of recent times?

Again not interested but tell me do you think you would have any more money in your pocket if the government hadnt bailed out the banks?

asky

[tien an]

http://www.urbanmyths.com/
Im not saying anything on this site is absolutly right but they warrant further investigation:D

I'll have a look tomorrow (it's getting late).:rolleyes:

Im not really interested I only get involved in things where I can actually make an impact

Not really interested in the state of our economy...in the well-being of your fellow countrymen...in the progression of our society???
Depending on how you feel about it, you may (legally) withhold your taxes and put them into an escrow account...if many people did that it would have an impact.

Again not interested but tell me do you think you would have any more money in your pocket if the government hadnt bailed out the banks?


Probably not, but as things stand, I hardly have any money in my pocket anyway...


Care to answer either of these questions? Or are you going to keep asking questions in the hope that I'll forget?

That's where I've been (among other places), how about you? (Where has your research taken you?)
Are you going to answer any of my questions regarding your offer?

tian an.

[zhenshanren]

^ +1

asky,

Why do you assume, that members of this forum who are examining the world of being a freeman-on-the-land have a negative mind set?

My mind set is far from negative - as a matter of fact the FMOTL movement is to me a refreshing and uplifting journey. I have walked the walk and talked the talk on your side of the track. I was never content that it encompassed, any of my thoughts on morality in any shape or form. Personally I don't find it acceptable, that unjust war is waged by a government that falsely claims to be acting with my blessing. I can't see how a just and fair society can pay workers such as nurses a poor salary, while non-productive parasites reap obscene remuneration and bonuses, or an education system that indoctrinates the minds of children. I can't tolerate self serving Politicians, who make corrupt decisions without fear of penalty.

We are responsible for our own decisions - we all have to live with the consequences of our own actions/inactions. I have no issues with standing up for what I believe is right, regardless of the size of the minority sharing my position.

If you're content with things the way they are, then good for you. If you are at such peace with yourself and the system you serve, why are you moved sufficiently to come here and proclaim, that we are negative thinkers. Why are you so interested in trying to discourage us from pursuing our own interests?

I fail to see why you are concerned, unless our activities could impact on your perfect existence, which you outlined in your post. If that is the case then surely negativity seems to be coming from you.

I'm glad you have found the perfect niche for yourself. Perhaps now you could let us find ours.

.

asky your comprehension here is a breath of fresh air in comparison to your other posts

You clearly have a working knowledge, and i wonder then, if you are here to teach or to antagonise the freeman threads?

You’re questions in respect of accessing of bond, are in form quite pointed as it is a very difficult arena to field.

As yet, on my own journey, I have not looked into the bond and tbh have no interest in that aspect of my research.

For me the freeman on the land is about reclaiming ones sovereignty and becoming free of the state of control that is exerted upon each of us as we are accredited into society. This for me is the prime of all freeman considerations.

That anyone can hold jurisdiction over me has always seemed inherently wrong, that I should be forced to pay a corporate body a proportion of the money I earn simply because they judge themselves as more equal than I is transient to commercial rape. The government are in effect raping our sense of life, given that they steal x% of our income which equates to the days of our lives when viewed over a lifetime. My sweat and my toil are given at a cost, then why should a private corporate body who allows me no consideration declare that I am to give of my life, sweat and toil, to give of the time I have been allotted by Divine Provenance, time that I could be spending with my loved ones, why should anyone decree that I should give this time to them in the form of taxes. To my sense of reasoning that is inherently wrong.

But I digress, it is difficult to formulate a response given the other subject matters created by yourself. But in effect I am saying that no, the concept of freeman on the land is not mythical, although certain aspects of it, such as the conception / existence of bond have generic flaws and are, at this moment nothing but whimsical considerations.

The whole bond scenario is a mine field of understandings and I will be the first to admit leaves me puzzled as to its integrity or existence, although I can wholly comprehend its lure.

But in discussing such whimsical considerations, we are able to shape a fuller comprehension of it in an allude to a furtherance of settlement.

Discussing these concepts and addressing the shortfalls are inherent factors that will lead either to successful conclusion and an over standing in which we can effectively shape a claim into reality, or else discover a pointless pursuit. But even in the later, we uncover an understanding which leads to the ever present over standing.




Refreshing poetry you two. I'm very impressed. :):):)

[yozhik]

Again not interested but tell me do you think you would have any more money in your pocket if the government hadnt bailed out the banks?

asky

So can we take from this comment that you were/are 100% supportive of the bank bailout?

[tien an]

well my comment was based on reading this section of the forum and the few posts I have made here, there is little evidence here of this concept working,

girlgye's experience was about the most concrete that I have read here and brave as girlgye is they still banged her up and crushed her car.

I would love to be truly free, but being really honest reading half this stuff gives me a headache and I know it's not through lack of intelligence.

and the point about trying not to pay for stuff is valid as half the post are people asking how to get out of paying for stuff like debts and fines.

surely not paying your debts or valid fines isn't being responsible for oneself is it?.

this is just my point of view, not trying to troll or insult anyone, and as I have already stated I know little of this stuff but what I have tried to read here.

Nobody's intelligence is in question here...(at least not from me), but I can only urge you to keep reading, searching (gives me a f***ing headache too!), and further afield than this forum as well...
(Nothing will change without effort...and you don't seem happy with things as they are.)
Good luck to you,

tian an.

[yozhik]

Nobody's intelligence is in question here...(at least not from me), but I can only urge you to keep reading, searching (gives me a f***ing headache too!), and further afield than this forum as well...
(Nothing will change without effort...and you don't seem happy with things as they are.)
Good luck to you,

tian an.

Let's 'get real' for a moment :p ... there are so many fucking rabbit holes littered throughout this subject, the research that COULD be done, is infinite.

Only about 1% of it is of any value.

Is it anywonder people get frustrated, angry, confused, disillusioned and critical?
Fuck - we've all been there.

Then we have the overwhelming atmosphere of coveting.

Many of those who are still braving the rabbit holes covet any information discovered for fear of ridicule, exposure, harm and treachery.

It's a totally depressing and unpleasant experience.

You would think that this forum might be used as a haven for those wading through the minefield, to come together and share information ...

... but alas, no.

The fear kicks in again and the threads are littered with those who feed off the failure of others; defenders of the status quo ... ah fuck it ... I'm not going down that road again.

Look ... sure ... go read more ... do more research ... find your own truth ... blah, blah, blah ...

BUT

It's going to be a pain in the fucking ass and its going to be frustrating, at times futile, lonely and the biggest mind fuck you ever volunteered to put yourself through.

... oh ... and chances are you'll be doing it alone, because there is very little trust amongst those researching the topic. So add paranoia and isolation to the list of 'things I am going to experience'.

Right ... time for me to get back to the research ...

[tien an]

Well, sounds like you're "hopelessly optimistic" too yozhik...see you somewhere along that road m8.


tian an.

[pleasuredome]

girlgye's experience was about the most concrete that I have read here and brave as girlgye is they still banged her up and crushed her car.


most concrete evidence that your belief is correct?

i havent been banged up and after 6 months my car still hasnt been disposed of. now, im not saying it wont be disposed of, and im not saying im going to get anything at all out of the experience, but there seems to be glitch here, so much so, that i was offered to have my car returned to me (subject to valid insurance [no mention of car tax]) and all "costs" dropped if i discontinued litigation.

for me to have got this far, i needed to shed the beliefs i had. that's easier said than done.

[dantesinferno]

most concrete evidence that your belief is correct?

i havent been banged up and after 6 months my car still hasnt been disposed of. now, im not saying it wont be disposed of, and im not saying im going to get anything at all out of the experience, but there seems to be glitch here, so much so, that i was offered to have my car returned to me (subject to valid insurance [no mention of car tax]) and all "costs" dropped if i discontinued litigation.

for me to have got this far, i needed to shed the beliefs i had. that's easier said than done.

this for me is concept vs reality, now the freeman concept may be valid but the reality in the UK is that if you drive with no insurance / mot / license you may get imprisoned, they will certainly take your vehicle and you'll probably get fined, now I don't know the details of your case but what I am saying is that this is the norm.

The norm is not that you can drive in the UK undocumented.

[analog]

If Anyone successfully does this i would be very gratefull if they would make it 100% public to everyone and easly explain how and if it can be done.


If it can thets all do it!. :D

[yozhik]

Jesus wept ...

[merlincove]

this threads already running, so i'm merging the two.

[pleasuredome]

this for me is concept vs reality, now the freeman concept may be valid but the reality in the UK is that if you drive with no insurance / mot / license you may get imprisoned, they will certainly take your vehicle and you'll probably get fined, now I don't know the details of your case but what I am saying is that this is the norm.

The norm is not that you can drive in the UK undocumented.

i dont do these things to confirm to myself what the "norms" are. "norms" are behaviours of a collective usually achieved by control and manipulation rather than by consensus, and i dont not accept them unless i accept them to be right.

if you wanted to be convinced of normal police behaviour, all you had to do was ask and we could have told you.

it seems too many are looking for a magic wand that would lift the burdens of the police state from them. and on paper, freeman concept looks good and makes sense, but in practice, particularly here in britain, it has caused problems because "authorities" cant accept that they only get authority over us by our consent, and people see such problems and think "ah right, look, it doesnt work". do people really expect, in the heartland of the NWO, that such organisations will just rollover with bits of paperwork? do people really think that by serving the pirates in blue with a NOUI&COR they just going to say, "oh sorry to have bothered you sir, we werent aware that you dont consent to be policed or governed, have a pleasant journey"?

[number_6]

Hi, pleasuredome. May I ask you an important question? girlgye either on here or TPUC intimated that you had been offered your vehicle back if you would provide a certificate of insurance. And, you declined their offer. If that was the case, could you confirm if a stipulation was that the vehicle would revert back to displaying it's original VRM or were they happy for you to continue displaying the reg number that you made up, as long as that number was on the insurance policy?
Thanks.

[pleasuredome]

there was no such stipulation.

[number_6]

Thanks, pleasuredome.

[girlgye]

most concrete evidence that your belief is correct?

i havent been banged up and after 6 months my car still hasnt been disposed of. now, im not saying it wont be disposed of, and im not saying im going to get anything at all out of the experience, but there seems to be glitch here, so much so, that i was offered to have my car returned to me (subject to valid insurance [no mention of car tax]) and all "costs" dropped if i discontinued litigation.

for me to have got this far, i needed to shed the beliefs i had. that's easier said than done.

FOR HEAVENS SAKE!!! DO KEEP UP

I was banged up for having a switched of tape recorder in my bag. Now my bag is big and I happen to have all sorts in there for my work. Headphones. Cassettes. Leads and that day a tape recorder.

Now someone is putting it about that I went into court and disrupted his case. I didn't. We all got banged up that day. I guess though it's been put about that it was all my fault. It wasn't.
The case in Question was Roger Heyes of the BCC. He ended up with a liability order for his Business Rates convinced that he wasn't. I knew different - all along. OK?

[girlgye]

I was banged up for 24 hours over my car because I refused to create a joinder to my name.

The case is still going on I've appeared in court twice and due to appear again next month. they keep saying I'm pleading NOT GUILTY when I've pleaded guilty and refuse to grant them juristiction.

IN SHORT THEY ARE TELLING BIG FAT LIES.

If anyone is up my way on the 8th December. Please contact me.

[girlgye]

Tein an wrote

then wrote


Looks like it was meant to be personal to me but I dont mind as its impossible to be personal on a forum as no one can say anything personal to someone they dont know.

Remember that when I say something that appears to be below the belt.

I wish people would just be honest when they post rather than trying to be some peace loving hippy who never intends to offend (no offence intended ;))

asky

No this is your cover for the fact that you are gunning to be as nasty and invidious as you can possibly be.

It might have escaped your notice but several people have been killed due to what they have put on an internet. Several more have killed themselves and one person even did it infront of them all while they were egging him on to do it nasty vile people like you Neil. Callous with no heart whatsover.

There is a test case going on in America where the mother is suing the family that she believes is responsible for her daughter taking her own life due to people like you. I think people are being nice so far and you are gearing them up to a false sense of security. However, the stupidity of your threads elucidate just what you are really up to.

[asky]

Neil?

I can assure you I am not Neil.

As for the rest of the stuff you posted Im not all that bothered.
Do you really think I am out to make people commit suicide?????????

I do really wonder about you.

asky

[girlgye]

Yeah I think you are viscious. This is why you won't say who you are.

[girlgye]

Yes I do. You've destroyed people on TPUC. You've destroyed TPUC.

[number_6]

Yes I do. You've destroyed people on TPUC. You've destroyed TPUC.

Hang on, girlgye. Step back a bit. You surely do not believe that asky wants people to commit suicide. Or do you?

[girlgye]

He's a troll of TPUC. Most of the threads where he does his worst have been taken down. Yes he's really upset people, to the point of them leaving or becoming violent towards his reactionary views to them. He has also silenced the best of them too. He feels smug about this. It really is much much worse than anything you would see on a children's site when he gets going and if he is allowed to run amok.

[number_6]

He has also silenced the best of them too. .

There are plenty here who would like me silenced, but in reality if you allow yourself to be silenced by other posters, perhaps you don't have much to say in the first place?

[girlgye]

I don't think anyone has tried to silence you. People just wonder why you waste your time trying to make people agree with you when you will never agree.

You're like a nosey neighbour.

[yozhik]

There are plenty here who would like me silenced, but in reality if you allow yourself to be silenced by other posters, perhaps you don't have much to say in the first place?

Why the fuck would anyone want you silenced?
The day there are no dissenting views or members who make us question our own views; I'm out of here.

There are more enjoyable ways to masturbate than reading posts by members who agree with my views 100%.

[number_6]

You're like a nosey neighbour.

I've been called a lot worse. In fact, I'll take that as a compliment:D

[smoke n mirrors]

asky:

1. asky

adj. Being overly inquisitive, e.g., asking too many questions, especially when this annoys or disturbs the peson being questioned.
The creepy wierdo at the library was being asky about my personal life, so I left.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=asky


ArseKey :D

1. amok

amok a-mock: an aggresive activity tends to ruin everything.
This word comes from southeast asian language, bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian language) :
amuk(verb),meng-amuk
that drunken guy run amok

He seems to have a good choice of forum name don't you think. amok will no doubt be his next incarnation.

Toot toot me old fruit,

PS @ #6 do you think it would be wise to have this twat batting for your team? I think the shit will stick long after he is gone. ;)

.

[smoke n mirrors]

There are plenty here who would like me silenced, but in reality if you allow yourself to be silenced by other posters, perhaps you don't have much to say in the first place?

I don't think people here want you silenced, no matter how infuriating your stance can sometimes be.

.

[tien an]

There are plenty here who would like me silenced, but in reality if you allow yourself to be silenced by other posters, perhaps you don't have much to say in the first place?

Well, I'm certainly not one of them.
Your posts are more often than not serious, inquisitive and, as I've posted before...stimulating.

However, you seem to be sliding down a slippery slope in the last couple of days...I can't quite put my finger on what it is, but I'd guess it's asky's influence.

There's a post above about shit sticking...how true.


tian an.

[merlincove]

There are plenty here who would like me silenced, but in reality if you allow yourself to be silenced by other posters, perhaps you don't have much to say in the first place?

You have said yourself (or maybe someone else said it, and you agreed) that you offer the voice of Devil's advocate, and as such i have always found both yours and Yoz's POV's highly enlightening.

Your questioning of everything is refreshing, and i find that much more real than if you were to agree with everything anyone posts.

There is a value to the FMOTL community, and where constructive critiques are offered over the typical 'this is bs' mentalities, and where points raised to give credence to those critiques we have a valuable discourse from which to shape our perceptions and rethink anew the positions which we take.

Your contributions here form a firm foundation on which to stand, even though you do not agree with many of the concepts.

I have said that before, in paraphrasing.

[girlgye]

yeah. No6 is like old father time and mrs bucket roled into one. Matt? nee JB nee Jobo nee asky and a whole host of other names hes used on DI forums is not in his league.
So don't even think about No6 otherwise you're toast.

[tien an]

I'd like to bring this thread back on track and insist that asky answer a simple question put to him earlier...

Is £100,000 (cash) being offered for help in accessing your bond, or is your research (still) so flawed that you think you're going to be able to get cash by accepting for value?

In other words...does the original offer stand, or have you reneged?


tian an.

[asky]

asky wrote the very first thread
I will give the person who accesses my bond for me £100,000 tax free.

Its been around for a number of years now with Roger Elvick and Winston Shrout who has hosted seminars on how to access it so someone must know how to do it by now.

I await your responses to pick up this easy money.

asky

[asky]

asky wrote the very first thread
I will give the person who accesses my bond for me £100,000 tax free.

Its been around for a number of years now with Roger Elvick and Winston Shrout who has hosted seminars on how to access it so someone must know how to do it by now.

I await your responses to pick up this easy money.

asky

the original offer still stands

asky

[tien an]

asky wrote the very first thread
I will give the person who accesses my bond for me £100,000 tax free.

Its been around for a number of years now with Roger Elvick and Winston Shrout who has hosted seminars on how to access it so someone must know how to do it by now.

I await your responses to pick up this easy money.

asky

Since you know so much about it...please show me where you've read / seen that you can access cash by accessing the bond?


(Please; no repeating what you've posted before...that you'll pay up once the bond's been accessed and the money will come from the bond...or that you'll A4V the bill you're sent).

tian an.

PS Thank you for answering the question....but do you have the money?

[yozhik]

What bond?

[smoke n mirrors]

asky wrote the very first thread
I will give the person who accesses my bond for me £100,000 tax free.

Its been around for a number of years now with Roger Elvick and Winston Shrout who has hosted seminars on how to access it so someone must know how to do it by now.

I await your responses to pick up this easy money.

asky

Are you deliberately avoiding the question put to you? Or is it that you don't comprehend the question?

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[asky]

tien an wrote
Since you know so much about it...please show me where you've read / seen that you can access cash by accessing the bond?

There is no Bond thats the point of the thread:rolleyes:

asky

[tien an]

tien an wrote


There is no Bond thats the point of the thread:rolleyes:

asky

Shock! Horror! That's it; I'm out of here...asky says it doesn't exist, so it must be so...

Would you be willing to place £100,000 with a third party (solicitor, for example) until it can be proven to you?


tian an.

[number_6]

Would you be willing to place £100,000 with a third party (solicitor, for example) until it can be proven to you?


tian an.

Are you saying it exists? If you have the proof, then share it. Nobody has been able so far.

[asky]

tien an wrote
Shock! Horror! That's it; I'm out of here...asky says it doesn't exist, so it must be so...

Would you be willing to place £100,000 with a third party (solicitor, for example) until it can be proven to you?


Now your clutching at straws.
Just let it go the points been made.

yozhik wrote
What bond?

If you dont want to listen to me at least listen to yozhik

asky

[smoke n mirrors]

I am of the opinion that asky has already formed his opinion on the issue. Given his lame contributions through out this thread, I conclude that entering any dealings with this PERSON would be fool hardy. It would seem to me that he would rather have members here play his game, rather than allow them to pursue their learning.

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[yozhik]

Its a really simple question.

What bond?
What does 'accessing my bond' actually mean?

God knows I've read it dozens of times on here and have questioned its meaning ... but my questions have been ignored.

So I'm taking this opportunity to ask once more.

When people post 'my bond' or 'accessing the bond' ... please be specific ... wtf are you meaning?

Draw me a mental picture.
What form does the 'bond' take?
Where is it?
What does 'accessing' it mean?
If you do 'access' it, what does it entitle you to? i.e. what do you get?
For how long?
How many times?
Why does it exist?

[asky]

You can do what you like.

Go and look for the bond if you want too

Oh sorry you said "persue their learning" not waste their time but wasting time is a form of learning isnt it?

You see I search for ways to disprove a theory rather than prove it.
Its so much easier than chasing "red herrings".

But its whatever "floats your boat"

asky

[smoke n mirrors]

yozhik wrote

What Bond?

If you dont want to listen to me at least listen to yozhik

asky

It's hard to determine to whom Yozhik is addressing the question.

If it is addressed to your OP, perhaps he is asking you what Bond you refer to or Which Bond?

Maybe he could clarify his question to prevent a misunderstanding.

Edit
Apologies I was too slow in response...I see the question posed was in the manner I expected.
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[yozhik]

Re: Bond Questions
They are to all and several.

[smoke n mirrors]

You can do what you like.

Go and look for the bond if you want too

Oh sorry you said "persue their learning" not waste their time but wasting time is a form of learning isnt it?

You see I search for ways to disprove a theory rather than prove it.
Its so much easier than chasing "red herrings".

But its whatever "floats your boat"

asky

As a matter of fact I have gained a lot of knowledge from wasting time pursuing this subject. I have a greater understanding of the financial frauds committed, financial systems, interesting historical events and much more besides. Wasting time I think not! Should I find a working solution it shall be the cherry on the cake.

As you have been so bold as to tell me how best to spend my time, may I suggest to you, that you return to watching the omnibus of East Enders.

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[tien an]

Are you saying it exists? If you have the proof, then share it. Nobody has been able so far.

*spits hook out...


tian an.

[number_6]

*spits hook out...


tian an.

Is that an accusation of me fishing? I'll assume it is. So you are suggesting even if you have discovered this miracle bond, you are keeping it's secret to yourself? I don't blame you. Shrout charges everybody £500 for this knowledge, why shouldn't you? Rob Menard was so confident he wanted the £100,000 up front, (just in case) but then he admitted he had never accessed a bond. But, he has heard of people that have.

[asky]

Maybe we can get to the bottom of it once and for all

I have a few links on it.
http://reasonradionetwork.com/?p=3650
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/birth_certificate_bond
http://www.hjrbonds.com/disclaimer.php
http://hiwaay.net/~becraft/NewRedemption.html
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=wa&vol=2003_app/507851maj&invol=3
http://hiwaay.net/~becraft/deadissues.htm

asky

[strt]

This thread hes gone way beyond it's usefulness.

Please make sure to read both forum posting guidelines and this important message:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45945

Carrying over this futile conversation over to other freeman threads is not recommended.