Why do we search for the truth?

[daughterofroage]

Why do we keep arbitrarily searching for the truth? Why is it so hard for us to believe that we are already connected to the truth? Why do we allow ourselves to be distracted by useless frivolities? Why can't we agree that religion, no matter which is practiced, is doing nothing to help? Do we really believe that our creator wants us fighting over semantics? Is it not time to throw out these useless doctrines and come together? Seek and ye shall find. Why do we go to men for the answers to our questions about our creator? Why not ask the creator and wait for the response? Do we think that we are going to "find truth?" What if the truth cannot be understood and that's why we can't find it? What if we have to be made to understand? I grew tired of searching long ago, aren't you?:confused:

[illuminati downfall]

I agree with you. :)

[th3_d3lusi0nz]

:rolleyes:Why do we keep arbitrarily searching for the truth? Why is it so hard for us to believe that we are already connected to the truth? Why do we allow ourselves to be distracted by useless frivolities? Why can't we agree that religion, no matter which is practiced, is doing nothing to help? Do we really believe that our creator wants us fighting over semantics? Is it not time to throw out these useless doctrines and come together? Seek and ye shall find. Why do we go to men for the answers to our questions about our creator? Why not ask the creator and wait for the response? Do we think that we are going to "find truth?" What if the truth cannot be understood and that's why we can't find it? What if we have to be made to understand? I grew tired of searching long ago, aren't you?:confused:

Yeah, we all talk around in circles just like politicians, i end up becoming more frustrated hehe, all religion did to me was screw my head up and make me feel guilty, and now i just feel incredibly lost.

[unenlightened_waffle]

Why do we keep arbitrarily searching for the truth? Why is it so hard for us to believe that we are already connected to the truth? Why do we allow ourselves to be distracted by useless frivolities? Why can't we agree that religion, no matter which is practiced, is doing nothing to help? Do we really believe that our creator wants us fighting over semantics? Is it not time to throw out these useless doctrines and come together? Seek and ye shall find. Why do we go to men for the answers to our questions about our creator? Why not ask the creator and wait for the response? Do we think that we are going to "find truth?" What if the truth cannot be understood and that's why we can't find it? What if we have to be made to understand? I grew tired of searching long ago, aren't you?:confused:

Religion is one way, it should teach us to be nicer to one another, if it does not do this then you are right.

All men have the answers but few have yours or mine. I am growing tired as well, possibly a problem with how we are brought up in the west.... impatience?

[dedicate]

Why ask why? Just another search for truth, which you have stated one does not have to search for.

There is a secret to discovering truth,, and it is not so much what you say,,. "You already have it."-- of course you do, so then where do the questions come from? Why tired?

People often say, "You can't know the truth". I hear it a lot. But this is because the truth is not in them. One CAN know the truth. Does not mean one has to believe what I say the truth is. Does not mean one has to find the truth for themselves, because one already has the truth. Such a paradox. Don't seek and you will find and Seek and you will find. -- both true. Maybe, seek and you will find: no seeking was necessary.

P.S. the secret to discovering the truth is neither in the seeking or not seeking. Nor is it in stateing: "I already have the truth".. but the secret of the secret is giving here in what I have said. Any cryptographers here?


Anyway,,,,Seek and ye will find, knock and the door will open,..... Don't seek and ye will find quicker,,, don't knock and the door will fly open. Good luck! Truth is the ripe fruit of the spirit. It's not cheap.-- it's free -- very costly.

[daughterofroage]

Religion is one way, it should teach us to be nicer to one another, if it does not do this then you are right.

All men have the answers but few have yours or mine. I am growing tired as well, possibly a problem with how we are brought up in the west.... impatience?

I've gone to many churches, different faiths and denominations and in my experience religion hasn't taught anyone to be nicer it's just taught them to cover up who they really are under a mask of riotousness. It's all just a game to keep people confused and trapped in delusion.

[daughterofroage]

Why ask why? Just another search for truth, which you have stated one does not have to search for.

There is a secret to discovering truth,, and it is not so much what you say,,. "You already have it."-- of course you do, so then where do the questions come from? Why tired?

People often say, "You can't know the truth". I hear it a lot. But this is because the truth is not in them. One CAN know the truth. Does not mean one has to believe what I say the truth is. Does not mean one has to find the truth for themselves, because one already has the truth. Such a paradox. Don't seek and you will find and Seek and you will find. -- both true. Maybe, seek and you will find: no seeking was necessary.

P.S. the secret to discovering the truth is neither in the seeking or not seeking. Nor is it in stating: "I already have the truth".. but the secret of the secret is giving here in what I have said. Any cryptographers here?


Anyway,,,,Seek and ye will find, knock and the door will open,..... Don't seek and ye will find quicker,,, don't knock and the door will fly open. Good luck! Truth is the ripe fruit of the spirit. It's not cheap.-- it's free -- very costly.

The questions are not for me.They are merely to spark interest. I'm just trying to start a conversation. I found that the easiest way to do that is by asking questions. And in my humble opinion you are incorrect in saying that if you don't knock the door will fly open. You have to know who to ask. I was merely trying to draw attention to the fact that no amount of church rituals is going to bring you to a meaningful relationship with our creator. That's not what religion is for. Religion was created by man for man. The creator has a much more meaningful relationship to give every man and women on this earth. The question is are you asking for it? Or are you sitting around expecting it to knock you off your feet one day? Has it happened? I'd be interested to know.

[dedicate]

Oh yeah! It's knocked me off my feet. For a couple of years there I was on fire. The search consumed me, and I knew I wasn't wrong. David Icke often describes a similar "journey of awakening" he made during the course of a couple of years -- giving up his secure job and made some questionable moves and discovering things he never dreamed in far away lands. It's always different for every person.

I see on these boards a lot of negativity toward religion. Things like you say here, "man made religion,, for man".. No way this. I don't know why you say this, as you know it may not be the truth. Did man create education? art? science? even rule of law? beauti? truth? justice? In a way, maybe yes,, but in a way also, no.. Parents have been educating their children since the very begining. So why say "religion is man made", as if it were a cut in stone fact?

"I was merely trying to draw attention to the fact that no amount of church rituals is going to bring you to a meaningful relationship with our creator."..

Can you be so sure? Ritual is used outside religion. There are even non-religion rituals based on religous rituals -0- marriage by justice of the peace for example. Why not just get a certificate and sign it, then you are married. No ritual? Then we have the ritual of graduation from schools,, birthday rituals and death rituals even the atheist engages in. Why? Why not just call your girl up and ask her to marry you? Why must you be in the correct time and place to ask? It's ritual. It's important. And there are more examples.. initiation rituals, mass rituals, ritualistic cloths... And all these things are done outside religion too! And for good reason. Why should religion not have rituals to reinforce the connection,,, but outside religion it is OK?

I wont even talk about the term "meaningful relationship with the creator".. I had a good chuckle at that one.

P.S.. to the other post, daughterofroage. My experience tells me, Religion is NOT about being a nicer person. Never was! (It's a side effect if anything.. one that others may notice) And,.there is the fact that 99% of people who say they practice a religion... miss it.-- miss the meaning.

[phildee3]

Why can't we agree that religion, no matter which is practiced, is doing nothing to help?
...
Why not ask the creator and wait for the response?



Because he might lie?

Besides, isn't the assumption that he exists part of a "religion," let alone trusting him??!


We search for the truth because that is our true nature which we want to reconnect with, which we want to be. We're living in a matrix of falsehood - and we want to go home.

[lionsheart]

As we search for the truth then the truth shall set you free.

[unenlightened_waffle]

I've gone to many churches, different faiths and denominations and in my experience religion hasn't taught anyone to be nicer it's just taught them to cover up who they really are under a mask of riotousness. It's all just a game to keep people confused and trapped in delusion.

I have not had this experience (lucky?), the only experience I have had is within a buddhist school (probably not a religion) and this was for a short time, in there i felt the warmth of good people who are battling the same problems and looking for the same answers.

I have come to the conclusion that it is simple (for me), no dogma, write down your fears and realise how to face them with courage, compassion and love. The dogma and semantics of religion are irrelevant. Perhaps another avenue for the ego? However I have found that in certain religious texts there is guidelines to help people.

[nirvana]

The truth can be what ever you decide it to be.

[phildee3]

The truth can be what ever you decide it to be.



That makes no sense.
A lie can't be the truth - by definition.

[nirvana]

That makes no sense.
A lie can't be the truth - by definition.

As humans who have to filter all so called spiritual truth through this lump of grey matter , in so doing so we set about modeling our reality based on our belief systems .Wether this belief system is based on jesus,demons,reptilians,nwo,buddha,alians etc . Because we are not experts in these fields our selves we have to relie on faith.

So depending on our belief systems also makes our truths.

[phildee3]

As humans who have to filter all so called spiritual truth through this lump of grey matter , in so doing so we set about modeling our reality based on our belief systems .Wether this belief system is based on jesus,demons,reptilians,nwo,buddha,alians etc . Because we are not experts in these fields our selves we have to relie on faith.

So depending on our belief systems also makes our truths.



I don't see how we can "make" truth.
Most belief systems are based on spiritual truth but have false elements.

Just because you believe something doesn't make it true.

[nirvana]

I don't see how we can "make" truth.
Most belief systems are based on spiritual truth but have false elements.

Just because you believe something doesn't make it true.


From a wider perspective everything that we know may be a lie.:)

[phildee3]

From a wider perspective everything that we know may be a lie.:)



Impossible.
If that were true, it would be a lie!! ;)

[nirvana]

:)Impossible.
If that were true, it would be a lie!! ;)


:) We will find out when we exit this world:)

[phildee3]

:)

:) We will find out when we exit this world:)



Is that something you know?? :eek:

[aronia]

Why ask why? Just another search for truth, which you have stated one does not have to search for.

There is a secret to discovering truth,, and it is not so much what you say,,. "You already have it."-- of course you do, so then where do the questions come from? Why tired?

People often say, "You can't know the truth". I hear it a lot. But this is because the truth is not in them. One CAN know the truth. Does not mean one has to believe what I say the truth is. Does not mean one has to find the truth for themselves, because one already has the truth. Such a paradox. Don't seek and you will find and Seek and you will find. -- both true. Maybe, seek and you will find: no seeking was necessary.

P.S. the secret to discovering the truth is neither in the seeking or not seeking. Nor is it in stateing: "I already have the truth".. but the secret of the secret is giving here in what I have said. Any cryptographers here?


Anyway,,,,Seek and ye will find, knock and the door will open,..... Don't seek and ye will find quicker,,, don't knock and the door will fly open. Good luck! Truth is the ripe fruit of the spirit. It's not cheap.-- it's free -- very costly.

It`s so true.

The truth is like russian dolls. :confused:

daughterofroage tell me witch doll that keep the truth from us? :confused:

I must admit i got a huge wakeup call this summer. I try to drop the search for the truth - it did't not work it make me feel very lost and i realize that david and all the others toll a lot of truth in there books and videos etc.

When i realize that the truth is the only thing that matter for me.

http://static.guim.co.uk/Guardian/arts/gallery/2008/may/20/eyewitness/GD7241546@Traditional-Russian-m-1550.jpg

http://mimoknits.typepad.com/photos/portland/port3.jpg

http://img5.travelblog.org/Photos/54150/321966/f/2825091-The-famous-Russian-ceramic-dolls-0.jpg

http://comps.fotosearch.com/comp/AGE/AGE023/russian-dolls-putin_~A68-336258.jpg

http://images.travelpod.com/users/zento/eandl2006.1188140820.russian-dolls.jpg

http://mimoknits.typepad.com/photos/portland/port3.jpg

http://images.travelpod.com/users/vine_hooligans/rtw-2008.1214083800.russian-dolls.jpg

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00179/russian-dolls_179666s.jpg

[nirvana]

Truth is a belief system that we resonate with:).

And we can all differ from our belief systems.

[steevo]

The TRUTH is inside us and always has been. The bit that we call "searching" is really just us EXPERIENCING things, and these EXPERIENCES then somehow act as a pointer that leads us BACK to ourselves, where the TRUTH has been all along.

[conviction]

The TRUTH is inside us and always has been. The bit that we call "searching" is really just us EXPERIENCING things, and these EXPERIENCES then somehow act as a pointer that leads us BACK to ourselves, where the TRUTH has been all along.

It seems like the truth lies in a chest inside the consciousness and your consciousness will reveal it to you when your ready.

[steevo]

It seems like the truth lies in a chest inside the consciousness and your consciousness will reveal it to you when your ready.

Yes I think that we realise the TRUTH only when we are ready. You cant possibily speak what TRUTH is, because there are no words that suffice. The bible does a good job of explaining it (the bible itself isnt TRUTH, it just a pointer which points towards TRUTH), but I dont think that it's possible to recognise the importance of the bible UNTIL you have realised what TRUTH is. But the bible CAN point you towards it. It isnt necessary for anyone to read the bible for them to eventually realise TRUTH, but it can help. Suffering can also help, but it isnt essential.

btw I am not religious.

Edit : I would also say that the bible CAN actually lead you AWAY from the TRUTH (I think that it has had bits added to it to enable that to happen).

[nioz]

I think we search for the truth because we already knew it before we were born.

The test of life is to find it before you die in this world.

The soul doesn't die, the body dies.

The soul will be confronted with the truth soon or later.

But as the whole universe is an illussion, we will never
get to grasp the full understanding and meaning of the real 'Truth'.

[tannah]

I think we search for the truth because we already knew it before we were born.

The test of life is to find it before you die in this world.

The soul doesn't die, the body dies.

The soul will be confronted with the truth soon or later.

But as the whole universe is an illussion, we will never
get to grasp the full understanding and meaning of the real 'Truth'.

I'm not so sure about this. What is the point in re-experiencing a truth we apparently already knew? I favour the idea that we are growing toward this wonderful thing call "TRUTH"....and marana tha to that.:D

[phildee3]

I'm not so sure about this. What is the point in re-experiencing a truth we apparently already knew?



Why does there have to be a "point."
It's just what happens when we recover from our amnesia.

steevo, conviction and nioz - your latest postings are crack on, imo!

[phildee3]

Truth is a belief system that we resonate with.



Some people prefer to live a lie,
and they resonate with falsehood.

Only sheeple resonate with an entire belief system.
Thinking people will resonate with some elements of a belief system and not others, depending on whether they love truth or falsehood.

[phildee3]

There are two kinds of truth:
There is absolute truth, and there is relative truth.

[nirvana]

Some people prefer to live a lie,
and they resonate with falsehood.

Only sheeple resonate with an entire belief system.
Thinking people will resonate with some elements of a belief system and not others, depending on whether they love truth or falsehood.


We all live within a belief system. Do you believe your sofa ,chair,bed is solid? If you were awake and able to see the truth ,you would just see vibrating energy.

I know ultimate truth cannot be put into words or language its far too deep.

:)

[decode reality]

Why do we keep arbitrarily searching for the truth? Why is it so hard for us to believe that we are already connected to the truth? Why do we allow ourselves to be distracted by useless frivolities? Why can't we agree that religion, no matter which is practiced, is doing nothing to help? Do we really believe that our creator wants us fighting over semantics? Is it not time to throw out these useless doctrines and come together? Seek and ye shall find. Why do we go to men for the answers to our questions about our creator? Why not ask the creator and wait for the response? Do we think that we are going to "find truth?" What if the truth cannot be understood and that's why we can't find it? What if we have to be made to understand? I grew tired of searching long ago, aren't you?:confused:

Good post.

It's a natural human urge to follow others. And as a matter of fact, if we didn't follow, we couldn't learn from others. But that is the stage of childhood. As we all know, as children we don't discrimanate what we learn from. We follow things pretty much without question, be it our parental influence, friends, colleagues, tv, religion, schooling etc.

In the world as it's set up, I think most of us get locked down into non questioning mode, which is the stage of a child, generally speaking.....even if we have questions as children, for the most part they may well remain unasked or unanswered (when we DO ask). To grow up in the world as it currently is, we have to question, otherwise we remain like children.

Unfortunately, religious belief systems set themselves up as THE TRUTH, to the point where those who believe in them are practically unable to see any alternatives.

The mainstream media does the same.

As does the education system.

Within the laws of the matrix jungle, the consequences of stepping outside religious indoctrination range from ostracism, hostility, violence.

If you don't believe in what the mainstream media tells you are a paranoid nut and even unpatriotic- if you're not down with supporting"our" troops, for example or you don't believe the official story of 9/11 and 7/7.

As for the education, in many cases, if you don't have certain qualifications (based upon a curriculum that suppresses the truth), you can't work, therefore you can't make money to support yourself.

This is all within the matrix. That's why it's essential for anyone who is about striving to live for that truth to step outside those boxes. None of the matrix laws apply then. ;)

[phildee3]

We all live within a belief system. Do you believe your sofa ,chair,bed is solid?



No I don't.
Sounds like you don't either.

[tusme]

Why do we keep arbitrarily searching for the truth? Why is it so hard for us to believe that we are already connected to the truth? Why do we allow ourselves to be distracted by useless frivolities? Why can't we agree that religion, no matter which is practiced, is doing nothing to help? Do we really believe that our creator wants us fighting over semantics? Is it not time to throw out these useless doctrines and come together? Seek and ye shall find. Why do we go to men for the answers to our questions about our creator? Why not ask the creator and wait for the response? Do we think that we are going to "find truth?" What if the truth cannot be understood and that's why we can't find it? What if we have to be made to understand? I grew tired of searching long ago, aren't you?:confused:
Hi Daughterofroage,

Good post. :)

Truth is One Infinite vibrational energy, besides the Source, is the very nature of who and what we are...thus, no searching required...it's simply a (Mind) choice and then a (Mind) realisation of knowing, being and expressing of Itself (Truth)...that you, I and everyone else, past, Now and future, although physically seperated, are all existing/vibrating as One Truth energy...or, should be anyway... :cool:

[tusme]

Truth is a belief system that we resonate with:).
Hi Nirvana,

Dunno about "Truth being a belief system"...otherwise, what kind of "belief system" is required for your Physical being's creation...? :confused:

[phildee3]

Truth is One Infinite vibrational energy, besides the Source, is the very nature of who and what we are...thus, no searching required...it's simply a (Mind) choice and then a (Mind) realisation of knowing...



Quite right,
but isn't that just a more refined way of saying "searching"?

It's only by searching that we find -
find out that we don't need to search!

[disorder2k8]

Why do we keep arbitrarily searching for the truth?

I've finished.

I Understand more than anyone ever will and I had to come a full circle to realise it.

[phildee3]

I've finished.

I Understand more than anyone ever will and I had to come a full circle to realise it.



There are no circles. It's a spiral that we're on,
and you're still on it - or you wouldn't be posting now!

Enjoy the next circuit!

[disorder2k8]

There are no circles. It's a spiral that we're on,
and you're still on it - or you wouldn't be posting now!

Enjoy the next circuit!

I only post to indirectly advertise my own forum.

[phildee3]

I Understand more than anyone ever will



Wow!

[tusme]

Quite right,
but isn't that just a more refined way of saying "searching"?

It's only by searching that we find -
find out that we don't need to search!
Hi Phildee3,

"Searching", imho, means "seperation"...

If, we (every physical being, past, Now & future) were born into this Physical dimension with the entire system/reality, including parents, religion, education, etc, etc and mankind, "geared to the awakening", to the Spirit being, then, no searching would ever be required...

I'm not entirely sure about the Biblical, "Adam & Eve" situation, however, if one simply considered a physical existence before "their time", then that, imho, is the Gift that GOD/Truth had in "Mind"...for our physical being's expression/experience in this Physical dimension...no!? :)

[tusme]

I've finished.

I Understand more than anyone ever will and I had to come a full circle to realise it.
Hey Disorder2k8,

Think you're onto something there, my friend... :)

What you've just described, is the nature of this/our Holographic Universe... :cool: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

[phildee3]

Hi Phildee3,

"Searching", imho, means "seperation"...



To me it means an attempt to end the separation that we've been born into/indoctrinated into.

Hi Phildee3,

If, we (every physical being, past, Now & future) were born into this Physical dimension with the entire system/reality, including parents, religion, education, etc, etc and mankind, "geared to the awakening", to the Spirit being, then, no searching would ever be required...



Agreed.
But it's not.


Don't understand your last paragraph, sorry. :confused:

[tusme]

To me it means an attempt to end the separation that we've been born into/indoctrinated into.
Appreciate what your saying, Phildee3 :) ...truth is, there is no seperation.

With all due respect, your Mind has been conditioned to think there is seperation, hence your "need" to go out in "search" of Truth...

Your Spirit being (which is pure Truth energy) is the REAL you, because of it's Truth properties, exists/vibrates Infinitely beyond all other energies existing/vibrating within this Physical dimension...even your Physical being, and including that of negative energy, and indeed, the negative energy frequency/s...

Agreed.
But it's not.
:(...the question we should all be asking ourselves, then..."WHY NOT?" :)

Don't understand your last paragraph, sorry. :confused:
Well, when a physical being is born into this physical dimension at the point of it's first breath, the Spirit being (Truth energy) becomes the Source of that physical being...after which, imho, the "race is on", both physically and spiritually (negative energy, in this case) to shape that newborn's soul energy and indeed, it's reality...

Regardless of the "indoctrination" :) of all it's Life's teachers, and/or even negative energy, as long as that physical being still breaths, the Spirit being will relentlessly try and help it (the Physical being) to it's "awakening"...

Unfortunately, imho, if such a physical being is only able to see Truth as being "over there", then, they might never enjoy the perfection of the Spirit being's vibrational Truth energy...and thus, will have completely missed their purpose (of Truth) in this reality...sadly. :(

Hope that made sense...? :)

[phildee3]

Appreciate what your saying, Phildee3 :) ...truth is, there is no seperation.



I know that.
But there is an illusion of separation which effectively seperates us because we act accordingly - until the search ends with the realisation of what you're saying.



With all due respect, your Mind has been conditioned to think there is seperation, hence your "need" to go out in "search" of Truth...



Did I say I was searching?
Well I'm not.
All our minds are being bombarded with conditioning. The truth that we are all one can only be realised by going beyond mind.

I don't think you're showing respect at all. I think you're being very condescending! You're assuming that I'm under the spell of the conditioning.



Your Spirit being (which is pure Truth energy) is the REAL you, because of it's Truth properties, exists/vibrates Infinitely beyond all other energies existing/vibrating within this Physical dimension...even your Physical being, and including that of negative energy, and indeed, the negative energy frequency/s...



I know!



(...the question we should all be asking ourselves, then..."WHY NOT?" :)



People have been asking that question since the beginning of question-asking.
The classic answer, in our culture, is because there is a spirit of deception at work, often known as "Satan."

[tusme]

I know that.
But there is an illusion of separation which effectively seperates us because we act accordingly - until the search ends with the realisation of what you're saying.

Did I say I was searching?
Well I'm not.
All our minds are being bombarded with conditioning. The truth that we are all one can only be realised by going beyond mind.

I don't think you're showing respect at all. I think you're being very condescending! You're assuming that I'm under the spell of the conditioning.

I know!

People have been asking that question since the beginning of question-asking.
The classic answer, in our culture, is because there is a spirit of deception at work, often known as "Satan."
Sorry Phildee3, I was merely responding to what you posted...

If, I have offended you in anyway, re, my explanation re, "searching for Truth", then please accept my humblest apologies...!? :o

[armoured_amazon]

Why do we go to men for the answers to our questions about our creator? Why not ask the creator and wait for the response?

^^^ This is the key.

I'm always too impatient. :o

[phildee3]

Sorry Phildee3, I was merely responding to what you posted...



Apologies accepted.

The reason why I've been saying "we" are conditioned/search for truth/etc. is because we are one!

If we say some are and some aren't then we are creating seperation!

So I use "we" to speak of humans in general.

[nirvana]

Hi Nirvana,

Dunno about "Truth being a belief system"...otherwise, what kind of "belief system" is required for your Physical being's creation...? :confused:


Im talking about subjective so called truth. Everything that we construe as being the truth is just a neurological pathway inside this lump of grey matter.

I suppose we may find out our physical beings creator when we vacate this body.

:)

[tusme]

Apologies accepted.

The reason why I've been saying "we" are conditioned/search for truth/etc. is because we are one!

If we say some are and some aren't then we are creating seperation!

So I use "we" to speak of humans in general.
Thanks Phildee3... :cool:

Well, my understanding is, all physical beings, whether we care to know it or not, through our Spirit energy, are all Truth (vibrational) being's...and my purpose, imho I think, is merely to "help" those interested, to the proverbial, "red or blue pill" scenario :eek: :D...the choice is theirs, ultimately...

Thanks.

[tusme]

Im talking about subjective so called truth. Everything that we construe as being the truth is just a neurological pathway inside this lump of grey matter.

I suppose we may find out our physical beings creator when we vacate this body.

:)
Hi Nirvana,

Well, the origins of "subjective so called truth", whichever way one looks at it, especially, as you say, "construed as being truth is just neurological pathway inside this grey matter", could only exist/vibrate within this Physical dimension...

Spirit (Truth) energy, however, cannot in any way be "construed", co's it's "origins" and vibrations exists Infinitely beyond this and all other dimensions & frequencies...

So, the Spirit being (Truth energy) knows Itself Infinitely, before it entered the physical being, at the first breath of birth, of-course, the NOW and after the physical being ceases to exist, at death... :)

As for, "we may find out our physical beings creator when we vacate this body"...indeed, when we depart this body and physical dimension, the Spirit being (Truth energy) and our Soul energy (the Physical being's "residual" energy) will, as they already are, "face each other for a kind of judgement"...with the Spirit energy, doing whatever judgement is undertaken, of-course...imho :eek: :D

Hmm, hope that made sense...?

[phildee3]

Thanks Phildee3... :cool:

Well, my understanding is, all physical beings, whether we care to know it or not, through our Spirit energy, are all Truth (vibrational) being's...and my purpose, imho I think, is merely to "help" those interested, to the proverbial, "red or blue pill" scenario :eek: :D...the choice is theirs, ultimately...



I think that the best way we can "help" those who are on a place in the path we have already trodden is to simply be.
We blow it when we make an effort to do that, imo.

[nirvana]

Hi Nirvana,

Well, the origins of "subjective so called truth", whichever way one looks at it, especially, as you say, "construed as being truth is just neurological pathway inside this grey matter", could only exist/vibrate within this Physical dimension...

Spirit (Truth) energy, however, cannot in any way be "construed", co's it's "origins" and vibrations exists Infinitely beyond this and all other dimensions & frequencies...

So, the Spirit being (Truth energy) knows Itself Infinitely, before it entered the physical being, at the first breath of birth, of-course, the NOW and after the physical being ceases to exist, at death... :)

As for, "we may find out our physical beings creator when we vacate this body"...indeed, when we depart this body and physical dimension, the Spirit being (Truth energy) and our Soul energy (the Physical being's "residual" energy) will, as they already are, "face each other for a kind of judgement"...with the Spirit energy, doing whatever judgement is undertaken, of-course...imho :eek: :D

Hmm, hope that made sense...?

Totally agree with you this is very similar to my belief system:)

[tusme]

I think that the best way we can "help" those who are on a place in the path we have already trodden is to simply be.
We blow it when we make an effort to do that, imo.
Hmm...!? :cool:

[phildee3]

Hmm...!? :cool:



Sleep on it.
Call me in the morning...

[tusme]

Sleep on it.
Call me in the morning...
:)...too much "effort", don't want to "blow it" now, do we...!? :D

[phildee3]

:)...too much "effort",



Sleep is effort?? :confused:

[tusme]

Sleep is effort?? :confused:
"Sleep on it" is... :p :D

[phildee3]

"Sleep on it" is... :p :D



Well, you're obviously in a different world than I.

To me, sleep is sleep - no matter what I sleep "on" - complete relaxation.

[tusme]

Well, you're obviously in a different world than I.

To me, sleep is sleep - no matter what I sleep "on" - complete relaxation.
Think you've "blown" it, Phildee3...nevermind "effort", now you're wasting good energy... :p :D ...and, thread-jacking... :eek:

[phildee3]

Think you've "blown" it, Phildee3...nevermind "effort", now you're wasting good energy... :p :D ...and, thread-jacking... :eek:



If you say so - you're the boss. :rolleyes:

[tusme]

If you say so - you're the boss. :rolleyes:
..."boss" of what? :confused: I absolutely despise that term... :)

Otherwise, if it's OK with you, I will delete our recent exhanges, so as to "cleanup" this thread...please?

In the meanwhile, I'll post you a forum friend invitation... :p :D

[phildee3]

..."boss" of what? :confused: I absolutely despise that term... :)

Otherwise, if it's OK with you, I will delete our recent exhanges, so as to "cleanup" this thread...please?



Wow, that's nice.
Thank you.
I'll sleep on it. ;) (if that's okay with you).

(PS I don't do virtual friendships. My only friends are flesh and blood. You wanna be my friend? Look me up when you're in Glastonbury and we can have a pint).

[tusme]

Wow, that's nice.
Thank you.
I'll sleep on it. ;) (if that's okay with you).
:D No worries... :cool:

[daughterofroage]

The TRUTH is inside us and always has been. The bit that we call "searching" is really just us EXPERIENCING things, and these EXPERIENCES then somehow act as a pointer that leads us BACK to ourselves, where the TRUTH has been all along.

Thank you so much. Someone gets what I ment!!:D

[daughterofroage]

Good post.

It's a natural human urge to follow others. And as a matter of fact, if we didn't follow, we couldn't learn from others. But that is the stage of childhood. As we all know, as children we don't discrimanate what we learn from. We follow things pretty much without question, be it our parental influence, friends, colleagues, tv, religion, schooling etc.

In the world as it's set up, I think most of us get locked down into non questioning mode, which is the stage of a child, generally speaking.....even if we have questions as children, for the most part they may well remain unasked or unanswered (when we DO ask). To grow up in the world as it currently is, we have to question, otherwise we remain like children.

Unfortunately, religious belief systems set themselves up as THE TRUTH, to the point where those who believe in them are practically unable to see any alternatives.

The mainstream media does the same.

As does the education system.

Within the laws of the matrix jungle, the consequences of stepping outside religious indoctrination range from ostracism, hostility, violence.

If you don't believe in what the mainstream media tells you are a paranoid nut and even unpatriotic- if you're not down with supporting"our" troops, for example or you don't believe the official story of 9/11 and 7/7.

As for the education, in many cases, if you don't have certain qualifications (based upon a curriculum that suppresses the truth), you can't work, therefore you can't make money to support yourself.

This is all within the matrix. That's why it's essential for anyone who is about striving to live for that truth to step outside those boxes. None of the matrix laws apply then. ;)

thank you verry much,i couldn't agree more!:D

[daughterofroage]

I would like to try and clear somethings up:
When I say "search for truth." I am referring to any action that involves looking outside of one's self for the answer to whatever spiritual question that they have.
I refer to my spirit/higher self/soul as my "self" and the Divine/God/Goddess/quantum field/"truth" as {}.

I believe the self maintains a constant connection to {}. Thus the truth is a part of you always. I believe a persons self is here to learn, this is just the class room, and our self takes on this seemingly separate perspective in order to learn the lessons that it has deemed important. Ultimately those lessons will lead us to the truth. It seems to me that religion does more distracting than leading. With out a tangible relationship with {} these religions can be nothing but confusing at best. We need {} to help us weed through what is of {} and what is of man. If religion taught truth then there would be no religion, just truth.

[steevo]

Thank you so much. Someone gets what I ment!!:D

It's my pleasure daughterofroage, it's a good thread :)

Cheers!

[steevo]

I would like to try and clear somethings up:
When I say "search for truth." I am referring to any action that involves looking outside of one's self for the answer to whatever spiritual question that they have.
I refer to my spirit/higher self/soul as my "self" and the Divine/God/Goddess/quantum field/"truth" as {}.

I believe the self maintains a constant connection to {}. Thus the truth is a part of you always. I believe a persons self is here to learn, this is just the class room, and our self takes on this seemingly separate perspective in order to learn the lessons that it has deemed important. Ultimately those lessons will lead us to the truth. It seems to me that religion does more distracting than leading. With out a tangible relationship with {} these religions can be nothing but confusing at best. We need {} to help us weed through what is of {} and what is of man. If religion taught truth then there would be no religion, just truth.

Bang on!

[arthas6014]

Truth gives you superiority over whole humankind. Think about that.

[daughterofroage]

Truth gives you superiority over whole humankind. Think about that.
:eek:
This is a very limited view. It doesn't make you superior to any one else. If that's how a person feels they are grossly misled!:(
Did Jesus of Nazareth claim to be superior? He wanted everyone to have what he had, he didn't walk around simply saying how much better he was than everyone else.

[roage]

Truth gives you superiority over whole humankind. Think about that.

I agree, provided, one clarifies what is meant by "you".

If "You" is taken in proper context then what you say is brilliant.

Sorry for the intrusion into an otherwise constructive thread. ;)

Roage out...

[roage]

:eek:
This is a very limited view. It doesn't make you superior to any one else. If that's how a person feels they are grossly misled!:(
Did Jesus of Nazareth claim to be superior? He wanted everyone to have what he had, he didn't walk around simply saying how much better he was than everyone else.

He got you on that one :D

He is not looking at it from left-brain ego but right-brain self.

It is a test. ;)

[daughterofroage]

I agree, provided, one clarifies what is meant by "you".

If "You" is taken in proper context then what you say is brilliant.

Sorry for the intrusion into an otherwise constructive thread. ;)

Roage out...

That's true, but because it's impossible to tell what YOU he's talking about I have to disagree dad. If you walk around telling people how much more superior you are they will have a hard time getting any of the information you are trying share with them. But you know that!

He got you on that one :D

He is not looking at it from left-brain ego but right-brain self.

It is a test. ;)

We'll see! :p

[roage]

That's true, but because it's impossible to tell what YOU he's talking about I have to disagree dad. If you walk around telling people how much more superior you are they will have a hard time getting any of the information you are trying share with them. But you know that!



We'll see! :p

As we are singular who else could you be superior to?

[daughterofroage]

I understand your point. I'm saying the the original context is foggy and there is no way of knowing if that was how the original poster intended it.

[arthas6014]

Interestingly, I don't remember the reason why I posted that. Even Im confused why I posted that:D
But at least thats a good point roage made:)
But at least it wasn't this logic what daughterofroage posted. Mh... Multiple personality disorder maybe?:p

[hold_that_thought]

How do you define truth? Do you mean a set of words that will confirm what you believed to be the truth? E.G. I know that my car is blue (BUT it's really white) so I'll keep plugging away at it until the majority of the people I tell it's really blue eventually agree with me. That I would suggest is paranoia.
Or do you mean I'll keep an open mind until I get empirical evidence that confirms one way or the other?

[branjo]

"Why do we search for the truth"?

It beats the hell out of simply accepting what we are told, and trusting your gut instinct. There is something very liberating in trusting your gut, and its not depenent on you being right or wrong. Its about going your own way and determining your own understanding of something before you make a final decision on the subject. Some times we run around in circles and end up where we started, and we can also be completely wrong, but it still isn't a waste of time to think for ourselves regardless of the subject.

[roage]

"Why do we search for the truth"?

It beats the hell out of simply accepting what we are told, and trusting your gut instinct. There is something very liberating in trusting your gut, and its not depenent on you being right or wrong. Its about going your own way and determining your own understanding of something before you make a final decision on the subject. Some times we run around in circles and end up where we started, and we can also be completely wrong, but it still isn't a waste of time to think for ourselves regardless of the subject.

You do not need me to tell you that you are on the right track ;)

[steevo]

It seems like the truth lies in a chest inside the consciousness and your consciousness will reveal it to you when your ready.

So can we do anything to speed up our readiness ? I know that suffering can help. Pondering can also help.

So is there a process that EVERYONE could go through that will end in us ALL finding/realising truth ?

[nioz]

So can we do anything to speed up our readiness ? I know that suffering can help. Pondering can also help.

So is there a process that EVERYONE could go through that will end in us ALL finding/realising truth ?

If you will look sincerely for it you will get there.

It's already determined whether you will find it before death or not.
But you still have the free will to chase it.

[steevo]

If you will look sincerely for it you will get there.

It's already determined whether you will find it before death or not.
But you still have the free will to chase it.

I dont think that it is pre-determined. But who knows :confused: lol :D

Personally, I have already found it anyway, but I just wondered if there COULD BE a procedure that guarantees the end result of REALISING TRUTH :cool: Are there any WORDS that can be said to someone that can make the "lightbulb" switch in in someones mind ? If so what are the words ? Or are there any specific ACTIONS/EXPERIENCES that you could ask someone to do which would end up with them realising TRUTH ? If so what are those actions/experiences ?

[phildee3]

I just wondered if there COULD BE a procedure that guarantees the end result of REALISING TRUTH :cool: Are there any WORDS that can be said to someone that can make the "lightbulb" switch in in someones mind ? If so what are the words ?



Howz about, "Your place or mine?"

[chovexano]

I dont think that it is pre-determined. But who knows :confused: lol :D

Personally, I have already found it anyway, but I just wondered if there COULD BE a procedure that guarantees the end result of REALISING TRUTH :cool: Are there any WORDS that can be said to someone that can make the "lightbulb" switch in in someones mind ? If so what are the words ? Or are there any specific ACTIONS/EXPERIENCES that you could ask someone to do which would end up with them realising TRUTH ? If so what are those actions/experiences ?

Excellent! yes, as a part-time discordian (probably), I fully endorse the venture to discover those words. With that in mind, I think everyone should grab a notepad and pen, and then at random points in the day, turn to someone around you and produce a random noise. It's probably a word or phrase in some language or other anyway, so be sure to write it down, and take notes on the person's reaction.

Study their face, and in particular eyes, very closely (perhaps with a magnifying glass or binoculars?) and take notes. Do they seem more enlightened? Perhaps ecstatic or jubilant? Compassionate? Calm and contented?

Answers on a postcard.

[steevo]

These are my experiences and opinions :-

I have noticed that there are some people that I know who are NOT "free thinkers". What is a "free thinking" anyway ?" To me it means that you have abandoned having a belief system (or you are TRYING to abandon it), and you have started to question things, such as "this can't be all there is, surely ?", and "is there life after death ?" etc. In orther words they are starting to open their minds up to concepts/feelings that "we are infinite possibilitiy", and that "nothing is impossible". When you are "closed minded", then you are simply not questioning your own existence. When you start to question these things, then the doors start to open, and TRUTH can then be "let in".

So then, what is it that makes people ask the "right questions" ? Well, maybe they experience suffering to various degrees, or they simply are bemused by their lives and the lives of others - There could be many reasons. What are the "right questions" ? Well, I think that when they start asking the "right questions", then this can be a trigger that starts their "journey" into TRUTH. The "right questions" are usually asked when the person is questioning his/her IDENTITY (eg "Am I Fred Bloggs who works at the bank, or am I something more ?")

So what I am trying to say is that once a person starts to seriously question who he/she REALLY is, then THAT is the point that they start their "journey" into TRUTH. But obviously, there are pitfalls just waiting for those people (eg organised religions; new age bullshit etc).

911 seemed to act as a trigger that got people questioning things, but I would say that an event such as that does NOT have top happen for people to start theior journeys, but I have to say, that suffering does sometimes do the trick, but it is NOT essential IN MY OPINION.

[tusme]

911 seemed to act as a trigger that got people questioning things, but I would say that an event such as that does NOT have top happen for people to start theior journeys, but I have to say, that suffering does sometimes do the trick, but it is NOT essential IN MY OPINION.
Absolutely. :)

[roage]

These are my experiences and opinions :-

I have noticed that there are some people that I know who are NOT "free thinkers". What is a "free thinking" anyway ?" To me it means that you have abandoned having a belief system (or you are TRYING to abandon it), and you have started to question things, such as "this can't be all there is, surely ?", and "is there life after death ?" etc. In orther words they are starting to open their minds up to concepts/feelings that "we are infinite possibilitiy", and that "nothing is impossible". When you are "closed minded", then you are simply not questioning your own existence. When you start to question these things, then the doors start to open, and TRUTH can then be "let in".

So then, what is it that makes people ask the "right questions" ? Well, maybe they experience suffering to various degrees, or they simply are bemused by their lives and the lives of others - There could be many reasons. What are the "right questions" ? Well, I think that when they start asking the "right questions", then this can be a trigger that starts their "journey" into TRUTH. The "right questions" are usually asked when the person is questioning his/her IDENTITY (eg "Am I Fred Bloggs who works at the bank, or am I something more ?")

So what I am trying to say is that once a person starts to seriously question who he/she REALLY is, then THAT is the point that they start their "journey" into TRUTH. But obviously, there are pitfalls just waiting for those people (eg organised religions; new age bullshit etc).

911 seemed to act as a trigger that got people questioning things, but I would say that an event such as that does NOT have top happen for people to start theior journeys, but I have to say, that suffering does sometimes do the trick, but it is NOT essential IN MY OPINION.

Now that I have a clear recollection of my life I will tell you that the start of my quest started when I was 12 years old (my age of consent).

I only realized I had been looking all along after my transcendent experience.

I have been looking for the magic combinations of words. I have determined that we cannot speak words and make people "snap on", unless it is to tell them that it is in their power to switch off the ego and they believe us. They believe us only when their right brain decides that the suffering generated in one's life is sufficient (Produced by the ego) has run its course and the ego can be attenuated. If a man still has pending ego lessons to learn then left brain will not allow a man to believe or understand the ego attenuation methodology.

Our right brain controls the left-brain but until we enlist the right brain to suppress left brain thinking then true realization cannot occur.

The mere fact that one can think there would be words in the first place is a misunderstanding of the construct they find themselves in.

Ego cannot self-terminate. Ego communicates through words. How do you "tell it" to stand down? That would be a violation of its primary protective function and is not permitted. It protects us against reason and our own logic sometimes. Right brain or "Self" is the executive and it must be employed to stand the ego down but we seldom figure out how to communicate with our "Self". It does not communicate with words so therefore we are protected in that I cannot violate another's life experience simply by speaking to them and vice versa. For us to be able to do this, if you understand the game, would really suck when used against us by most people who post in this forum.

In short we need to learn how to tell the ego that the threat, that caused it to come awake in the first place, is over.

If I told you that it is easy. You cannot allow yourself to believe it and all that means is that ego cannot determine when we are ready to transcend our left brain experience.

It is funny to watch the ego trying to see truth that it has no ability to grasp through words.

Roage

[steevo]

Now that I have a clear recollection of my life I will tell you that the start of my quest started when I was 12 years old (my age of consent).

I only realized I had been looking all along after my transcendent experience.

I have been looking for the magic combinations of words. I have determined that we cannot speak words and make people "snap on", unless it is to tell them that it is in their power to switch off the ego and they believe us. They believe us only when their right brain decides that the suffering generated in one's life is sufficient (Produced by the ego) has run its course and the ego can be attenuated. If a man still has pending ego lessons to learn then left brain will not allow a man to believe or understand the ego attenuation methodology.

Our right brain controls the left-brain but until we enlist the right brain to suppress left brain thinking then true realization cannot occur.

The mere fact that one can think there would be words in the first place is a misunderstanding of the construct they find themselves in.

Ego cannot self-terminate. Ego communicates through words. How do you "tell it" to stand down? That would be a violation of its primary protective function and is not permitted. It protects us against reason and our own logic sometimes. Right brain or "Self" is the executive and it must be employed to stand the ego down but we seldom figure out how to communicate with our "Self". It does not communicate with words so therefore we are protected in that I cannot violate another's life experience simply by speaking to them and vice versa. For us to be able to do this, if you understand the game, would really suck when used against us by most people who post in this forum.

In short we need to learn how to tell the ego that the threat, that caused it to come awake in the first place, is over.

If I told you that it is easy. You cannot allow yourself to believe it and all that means is that ego cannot determine when we are ready to transcend our left brain experience.

It is funny to watch the ego trying to see truth that it has no ability to grasp through words.

Roage

Thanks Roage.
In my opinion, it can take ALOT of years (decades or even a life-time) for the right-brain (if that's what you wanna call it) to "kick in". The way that we live our lives today, I would say that the right-brain will kick in after having MANY MANY experiences/suffering, but it is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to learn from those experiences, and THEN something will happen eventually. It dont always need suffering to happen for you to realise TRUTH though - I think that living in a state of oneness/love can bring you to realise TRUTH without you even KNOWING that you have come to any realisation at all, because TRUTH is our natural state, and it would just feel natural and normal.

[roage]

Thanks Roage.
In my opinion, it can take ALOT of years (decades or even a life-time) for the right-brain (if that's what you wanna call it) to "kick in". The way that we live our lives today, I would say that the right-brain will kick in after having MANY MANY experiences/suffering, but it is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to learn from those experiences, and THEN something will happen eventually. It dont always need suffering to happen for you to realise TRUTH though - I think that living in a state of oneness/love can bring you to realise TRUTH without you even KNOWING that you have come to any realisation at all, because TRUTH is our natural state, and it would just feel natural and normal.

You speak the truth.

[steevo]

In Christianity they go on about "faith". I have always criticised them when they say that "you gotta have faith", because it leads to people becoming/remaining as unquestioning sheeple. However, I would say that by having "faith", it can MAYBE make you become resonant with the oneness (ie if you "trust" the words of someone who knows TRUTH and if you live the way the bible says - but crucially DO ASK QUESTIONS - then maybe you could resonate with the oneness, and THEN realise TRUTH. Unfortunately when organised religion talks about "faith" and "trust", they want you to never ask questions, and to live as the bible says. There is TONS of great stuff in the bible, and some bad stuff added later on IMO, and also the translations are probably purposely written to deceive. Religion can only take you away from TRUTH IMO, and that is the purpose of religions.

But if you have "faith" in yourself (and the universe/god) and have faith in a "good" way of living that maybe your parents taught you (once upon a time), then by having faith and by trusting what your parents taught you, then you could MAYBE realise truth yourself (assuming the parents had already realised TRUTH and were living in TRUTH).

[the cosmos]

Why do we keep arbitrarily searching for the truth? Why is it so hard for us to believe that we are already connected to the truth? Why do we allow ourselves to be distracted by useless frivolities? Why can't we agree that religion, no matter which is practiced, is doing nothing to help? Do we really believe that our creator wants us fighting over semantics? Is it not time to throw out these useless doctrines and come together? Seek and ye shall find. Why do we go to men for the answers to our questions about our creator? Why not ask the creator and wait for the response? Do we think that we are going to "find truth?" What if the truth cannot be understood and that's why we can't find it? What if we have to be made to understand? I grew tired of searching long ago, aren't you?:confused:

Our inner being is truth. Therefore it seeks what it knows. I'm highly tired of running into people who argue the whole time saying your wrong, and your crazy. I really feel like grabbing something and hitting them over the head with it until they never wake up. I think we would do alot better with alot of unconscious people around. :D

[delamo1999]

Why do we keep arbitrarily searching for the truth? Why is it so hard for us to believe that we are already connected to the truth? Why do we allow ourselves to be distracted by useless frivolities? Why can't we agree that religion, no matter which is practiced, is doing nothing to help? Do we really believe that our creator wants us fighting over semantics? Is it not time to throw out these useless doctrines and come together? Seek and ye shall find. Why do we go to men for the answers to our questions about our creator? Why not ask the creator and wait for the response? Do we think that we are going to "find truth?" What if the truth cannot be understood and that's why we can't find it? What if we have to be made to understand? I grew tired of searching long ago, aren't you?:confused:


I have spent the majority of my life seeking out my own truth because the "truths" that have been presented to me have been bs. I have learned to keep my own truth to myself because I am sick of arguing with closed minded people who enjoy living their lives in the sheeple world. I am grateful that in very recent years, more people have decided to step outside of the box and seek their own truths. It is really nice being able to converse with others again.

:)

[phildee3]

wtf is all this about "seeking" truth?

Truth is all around us. It's right in front of you.
So is falsehood.

Can't you see them - right now, in the moment?

Can't you see one from the other?


You will!

[branjo]

Come to think about it, I don't really search for "truth", I find it much more rewarding spotting the bullshit instead.