Silver gen.

[tom bombadil]

Hi.

I mostly frequent the freeman and survival posts but am dipping my toes in the water for more experience.

To the point then.... Has anyone had any experience with the SILVERGEN range of colloidial siver generators?

I have now decided that this might be the unit for me. I have done all the homework and even a few recomendations for these units but need the final peice of the puzle that comes from us on these pages that are hated by many not understanding Icke or his like. In otherwords I trust ya'all.

I have decided already that I want a maker rather than buying the bits and I know of the possible side effects (or not, ho hum) if drunk like a whale swimming in a waterfall!! I want a unit.


Thank you.


Nelly. :)

[21_12_2012]

There is a guy on here who bought a silvergen machine not too long ago, I cant remember who it was, maybe if you check through the threads in this section you could find him.

I was going to buy one (i think the model was an SG6 if i remember correctly)

But, I got given a link to this one:-
http://www.thesilveredge.com/howto.shtml

from thelucifer on the forum, and i changed my mind from the silvergen to this one, due to the apparently smallest particle size in the world with this one.

[tom bombadil]

Thank you 21_12_2012.

Looking at both sites bumpf, I see that the particles for the silvergen is ten times larger than the silver edge (0.001 as to the silver edges 0.0008). I wonder how much we can trust either?

Hmm. Prices to consider too.


Nelly.

[phildee3]

Looking at both sites bumpf, I see that the particles for the silvergen is ten times larger than the silver edge (0.001 as to the silver edges 0.0008). I wonder how much we can trust either?

Hmm. Prices to consider too.



Yeh, pricy!

Best to get the basic equipment, imo, and learn how to control your own particle size (how is that done? Isn't temperature something to do with it?) and ppm (I think this is affected by distance between electrodes, isn't it?).

I just ordered this starter kit:
http://www.atlasnova.com/ColloidalSilverStarterKit.htm

It seems that most charge an arm an a leg for a tough plastic box - which is unnecessary. I've got a couple of 600ml pyrex beakers, can make my own lids and put holes in them to take plastic straws holding the rods.

Just need to know how to measure and control ppm and particle size.

[21_12_2012]

Thank you 21_12_2012.

Looking at both sites bumpf, I see that the particles for the silvergen is ten times larger than the silver edge (0.001 as to the silver edges 0.0008). I wonder how much we can trust either?

Hmm. Prices to consider too.


Nelly.

I was in the same predicament myself a few weeks ago wondering which one to buy, they're not cheap, especially ordering from the uk.

I suppose there is no way of actually checking to see if the particles are as small as the manufacturers make out, but, I gave them the benefit of the doubt and went with the silveredge model.

[phildee3]

I suppose there is no way of actually checking to see if the particles are as small as the manufacturers make out,



Well there's a way with expensive lab testing equipment, but I just found this:

"One way of testing colloidal silver for particle size and strength is using a laser beam. When shining a laser beam light through a colloidal silver solution the light will deflect because the larger particle sizes deflect the light, and the beam can be seen from a side view. As the particles get larger the laser light will deflect the light creating a cone shaped light in the suspension."
http://www.icnr.com/articles/silverwater.html

A lecturer's laser pointer does the job.

[phildee3]

A lecturer's laser pointer does the job.



If you read this:
http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm
it says that the smallest particle size possible occurs just before the solution begins to turn yellow, and that moment can be accurately detected with the laser pointer. However, it says that if you stop the process as soon as you actually see it turning yellow, the particle size is still small enough to be acceptable for general purposes.

[21_12_2012]

Thanks for that info.
It is also interesting that the silveredge machine creators claim that the particles are so small that the liquid always remains clear due to the small particle size, and doesn't mention it ever turning yellow.

They go on to say that particle size is so important, because the body needs to be able to absorb, use and excrete the particles easily to have any benefit, and to reach 'deep into places' in the body where larger particles wouldnt. Also it mentions larger particles causing a 'build-up' in the body of silver.

It also mentions that even using a laser pointer, the particles can hardly be seen due to them being so small

Its on this page:-
http://www.thesilveredge.com/secret.shtml

I did read it a month or 2 ago before I bought the machine, but forgot most of the information until i just read it all again now.

[paolo]

I use Hulda Clarkes machine which measures the purity of the water and identifies the strength of the colloid. A few drops of hydrogen peroxide can amplify the action on all sorts of localised applications

[phildee3]

Thanks for that info.
It is also interesting that the silveredge machine creators claim that the particles are so small that the liquid always remains clear due to the small particle size, and doesn't mention it ever turning yellow.



The CS making process turns the solution yellow in time. In other words the particle size increases if you leave the machine on past the optimum stage.
The smallest particle size is obtained by the machine turning off at the most precise moment. How does Silveredge detect when that is? If they don't tell us, how do we know it's not hype?
Where are the lab test results that show the particle size that Silveredge produces?



They go on to say that particle size is so important, because the body needs to be able to absorb, use and excrete the particles easily to have any benefit, and to reach 'deep into places' in the body where larger particles wouldnt. Also it mentions larger particles causing a 'build-up' in the body of silver.



Anything less than 0.015 microns (15 nm) is fairly well absorbed and doesn't cause build-up if you take no more than is needed.

That tends to be around the beginning of the yellow stage.

However 0.001 is better.

It's like comparing well-chewed carrots with carrot juice.

But 0.0008 is rediculously, and unnecessarily small! That's like super-filtered carrot juice!

Besides, I can't see how it can be achieved without thousands of pounds worth of super-sensitive lab equipment.

[21_12_2012]

The CS making process turns the solution yellow in time. In other words the particle size increases if you leave the machine on past the optimum stage.
The smallest particle size is obtained by the machine turning off at the most precise moment. How does Silveredge detect when that is? If they don't tell us, how do we know it's not hype?
Where are the lab test results that show the particle size that Silveredge produces?

Here, apparently, is a picture of the particles, and an explanation of what kind of microscope was needed to actually see and measure the particles.

http://www.thesilveredge.com/mp5.shtml

I would have to read through the whole technical info again to find out more, like why it does not turn yellow.

I have never run the machine past the running time (3 hours per quart I think it is) so I wouldnt know if it turns yellow after this length of time. I could try sometime, but they say it isnt necessary to run it any longer.

The liquid has always been clear when ive made a batch. Ive made about 3 or 4 batches already.

It uses a bubbling system too, which they claim is important to keep the particles from sticking together during the process.

Anything less than 0.015 microns (15 nm) is fairly well absorbed and doesn't cause build-up if you take no more than is needed.

That tends to be around the beginning of the yellow stage.

However 0.001 is better.

It's like comparing well-chewed carrots with carrot juice.

But 0.0008 is rediculously, and unnecessarily small! That's like super-filtered carrot juice!

Besides, I can't see how it can be achieved without thousands of pounds worth of super-sensitive lab equipment.

That's what they claim to have used, very expensive equipment, and a super powerful electron microscope.

[21_12_2012]

I use Hulda Clarkes machine which measures the purity of the water and identifies the strength of the colloid.

Yes, this machine also measures how good the water is, and has a light which will shine brightly (if the waters is not good) or dimly if the water is good.

It does not have a PPM meter on it though, but does give a guide in the manual as to how long to leave the machine running for to get the desired PPM.

A few drops of hydrogen peroxide can amplify the action on all sorts of localised applications

Do you mean on the skin ? Mixing it with hydrogen peroxide ?

[phildee3]

I have never run the machine past the running time (3 hours per quart I think it is) so I wouldnt know if it turns yellow after this length of time. I could try sometime, but they say it isnt necessary to run it any longer.



It isn't.
In fact it's counter-productive.
As I said, the particles get larger (colour is indicative of this).



That's what they claim to have used, very expensive equipment, and a super powerful electron microscope.



Yes, for measuring particle size in the lab - after the CS has been made.

I'm talking about at home. How does the machine know when to switch off?

[21_12_2012]

It isn't.
In fact it's counter-productive.
As I said, the particles get larger (colour is indicative of this).



Yes, for measuring particle size in the lab - after the CS has been made.

I'm talking about at home. How does the machine know when to switch off?

Well, the machine isn't an 'auto-shut-off' machine.
The company just state how long the machine should be run for for different amounts of liquid.

3 hours for a quart. I make a quart at a time (which i think is about 1 litre uk measurement)

So, probably, if i ran the machine for, say, 6 hours instead of 3, it might turn yellow, but i've never tried to. I always turn it off after 3 hours.

[phildee3]

Well, the machine isn't an 'auto-shut-off' machine.
The company just state how long the machine should be run for for different amounts of liquid.

3 hours for a quart. I make a quart at a time (which i think is about 1 litre uk measurement)

So, probably, if i ran the machine for, say, 6 hours instead of 3, it might turn yellow, but i've never tried to. I always turn it off after 3 hours.



Ah, I've just found the explanation here:
http://tuberose.com/Colloidal_Silver.html
Your machine has a regulator which reduces the voltage as the conductivity of the solution increases (thus providing "constant current"). Very clever! I wonder if I can add a regulator to my basic system?

[21_12_2012]

Ah, I've just found the explanation here:
http://tuberose.com/Colloidal_Silver.html
Your machine has a regulator which reduces the voltage as the conductivity of the solution increases (thus providing "constant current"). Very clever! I wonder if I can add a regulator to my basic system?

I do think you are correct about the voltage information, i seem to remember reading that about my machine at some point.

[iliveinhope]

I found this useful, http://www.ken-welch.com/Commentary/Silver1.html there are three pages of info and on the third page is a review of a few generators.
The RSG-3 looks reasonably priced.

[icecoldmeltz]

http://pulsar.li/en/kosi/silverelectrodes/index.php Does Anyone know if you can use Structured Water

[phildee3]

Does Anyone know if you can use Structured Water



I've not seen it discussed.
We could experiment with it.
How do you get it/make it?

CS makers seem to be divided over distilled vs purified.
Any comments?
(I plan to experiment with both, when my kit arrives).

[icecoldmeltz]

I've not seen it discussed.
We could experiment with it.
How do you get it/make it?

CS makers seem to be divided over distilled vs purified.
Any comments?
(I plan to experiment with both, when my kit arrives).

I use purified BP 0.0. I think they call it dead Water. still not sure what the TDS should be for about a Pint.. just made some @ 10 ppm TDS but its slightly yellow. If I add one drop of structered water. It starts instantly

[thelucifer]

I have the Sota SPL, the instructions that came with it from Sota says to use distilled water, 2 hours for 16 ounces of water.
I bought an air pump and now do 3 hours with 16 ounces of water.
I used a laser pointer and the Tyndall effect is much weaker meaning the particles are much smaller than without the air pump.

[phildee3]

If I add one drop of structered water. It starts instantly



Starts?

Sorry, don't understand this.

[phildee3]

I have the Sota SPL, the instructions that came with it from Sota says to use distilled water, 2 hours for 16 ounces of water.
I bought an air pump and now do 3 hours with 16 ounces of water.
I used a laser pointer and the Tyndall effect is much weaker meaning the particles are much smaller than without the air pump.



Sounds good.
Do you have a link to info on the air pump?

[thelucifer]

Sounds good.
Do you have a link to info on the air pump?

I just bought a cheap aquarium pump at Wall Mart.

I felt it was putting out too much air so I restrict the air some, just need enough to agitate a little.

[icecoldmeltz]

Starts?

Sorry, don't understand this. It takes at least 40 mins to get the first whiffs' of silver coming of the rods using purified water. If you were to use one drop' of structured water' it literally falls from the rods' Instantly

[thelucifer]

It takes at least 40 mins to get the first whiffs' of silver coming of the rods using purified water. If you were to use one drop' of structured water' it literally falls from the rods' Instantly

Make a batch with distilled water and save a little to start next batch with.

[icecoldmeltz]

Make a batch with distilled water and save a little to start next batch with. Yes i know if its done rite the container holds the residue.. So you dont have to Seed the Next batch

[hoffy]

http://www.silverlungs.com/

What do you guys make of this : Silver lungs (http://www.silverlungs.com/).

BTW - If you buy a generator, how often do you have to replace the silver electrodes?

[thelucifer]

http://www.thesilveredge.com/homemade.shtml

"Here’s a Better Idea: A Poor Man’s Nebulizer

Last year I bought a machine called a “cool mist vaporizer,” which was on sale at Wal-Mart for under $30. And since that time, whenever I’ve felt a cold, flu sore throat, sinus congestion or sniffles of any kind coming on, I add four or five ounces of my homemade micro-particle colloidal silver to the water in the vaporizer’s reservoir, turn the unit on, put my face right over the cool mist spout, and breathe deeply of the gently flowing silver-laced mist.

And I’ve found that it knocks out budding infections in record time. It’s like having all of the benefits of an expensive medical nebulizer, but without all of the expense!

Plus, you can let it run in any room of your house to help prevent the spread of microbes. The cool mist from the vaporizer carries the microscopic particles of electrically-charged silver on the ambient air currents throughout your home, helping keep it germ-free and sanitized.

What’s more, if you’ve got sick kids home from school, and they’re coughing germs and viruses all over the place, I’ve found it to be one of the best things in the world to put into their bedrooms, to keep the spread of these nasty little microbes at bay, help them heal faster, and greatly reduce the chances of others in the home getting sick, to boot!

Hey, for me, it beats the heck out of forking out a whopping $199 for a silver-based humidifier when they can be purchased without the silver cartridge four under $30, and used with homemade colloidal silver that can be made for only pennies!"

[icecoldmeltz]

http://www.thesilveredge.com/homemade.shtml

"Here’s a Better Idea: A Poor Man’s Nebulizer

Last year I bought a machine called a “cool mist vaporizer,” which was on sale at Wal-Mart for under $30. And since that time, whenever I’ve felt a cold, flu sore throat, sinus congestion or sniffles of any kind coming on, I add four or five ounces of my homemade micro-particle colloidal silver to the water in the vaporizer’s reservoir, turn the unit on, put my face right over the cool mist spout, and breathe deeply of the gently flowing silver-laced mist.

And I’ve found that it knocks out budding infections in record time. It’s like having all of the benefits of an expensive medical nebulizer, but without all of the expense!

Plus, you can let it run in any room of your house to help prevent the spread of microbes. The cool mist from the vaporizer carries the microscopic particles of electrically-charged silver on the ambient air currents throughout your home, helping keep it germ-free and sanitized.

What’s more, if you’ve got sick kids home from school, and they’re coughing germs and viruses all over the place, I’ve found it to be one of the best things in the world to put into their bedrooms, to keep the spread of these nasty little microbes at bay, help them heal faster, and greatly reduce the chances of others in the home getting sick, to boot!

Hey, for me, it beats the heck out of forking out a whopping $199 for a silver-based humidifier when they can be purchased without the silver cartridge four under $30, and used with homemade colloidal silver that can be made for only pennies!" DO you have a picture' please

[phildee3]

Some people make CS cold, some at just below boiling point.

What is the difference?

[thelucifer]

DO you have a picture' please

Not sure what you want a pic of !

I posted the link.

[iliveinhope]

http://www.thesilveredge.com/homemade.shtml

"Here’s a Better Idea: A Poor Man’s Nebulizer

Last year I bought a machine called a “cool mist vaporizer,” which was on sale at Wal-Mart for under $30. And since that time, whenever I’ve felt a cold, flu sore throat, sinus congestion or sniffles of any kind coming on, I add four or five ounces of my homemade micro-particle colloidal silver to the water in the vaporizer’s reservoir, turn the unit on, put my face right over the cool mist spout, and breathe deeply of the gently flowing silver-laced mist.

And I’ve found that it knocks out budding infections in record time. It’s like having all of the benefits of an expensive medical nebulizer, but without all of the expense!

Plus, you can let it run in any room of your house to help prevent the spread of microbes. The cool mist from the vaporizer carries the microscopic particles of electrically-charged silver on the ambient air currents throughout your home, helping keep it germ-free and sanitized.

What’s more, if you’ve got sick kids home from school, and they’re coughing germs and viruses all over the place, I’ve found it to be one of the best things in the world to put into their bedrooms, to keep the spread of these nasty little microbes at bay, help them heal faster, and greatly reduce the chances of others in the home getting sick, to boot!

Hey, for me, it beats the heck out of forking out a whopping $199 for a silver-based humidifier when they can be purchased without the silver cartridge four under $30, and used with homemade colloidal silver that can be made for only pennies!"

When you use colloidal silver in your nebulizer what makes you think that silver particles can be turned into vapor? If you try the same with salt water, the water turns to vapor and the salt is left behind. Would the same not happen with colloidal silver? I'm not saying it doesn't work but it just doesn't sound right.

[thelucifer]

When you use colloidal silver in your nebulizer what makes you think that silver particles can be turned into vapor? If you try the same with salt water, the water turns to vapor and the salt is left behind. Would the same not happen with colloidal silver? I'm not saying it doesn't work but it just doesn't sound right.

Ions and nano particles are smaller than water particles and thus are carried by the water particles in water vapor.

[thelucifer]

Some people make CS cold, some at just below boiling point.

What is the difference?

Cold (room temp) water equals smaller particles and takes longer than hot water.

Patience. :)

[iliveinhope]

Ions and nano particles are smaller than water particles and thus are carried by the water particles in water vapor.

Thanks, that explains it better.

[tom bombadil]

This is all cool.


I will be getting an ultra-sonic vaporizor to create a mist that I can breath-in. This works for one guy I know so why not? http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=vention4wh#p/u/27/ehmxjbIVqUU

They are only £20 or so.


I just wish to add that the reason its 'the smaller the better' is also down to storage. If the things dont bond with the water, then the particles would 'settle'. This sludge at the bottom of the jar can still be used as one would use alo-vera on the skin. The paste has many good properties.


Nelly.

[ex sheep]

Got my own kit up and running, and just ordered a tester so I will let you know how the stuff I'm making turns out.
http://www.daqua.co.uk/testmeters.htm

http://www.daqua.co.uk/images/products/tdsmetertds3.jpg
HM Digital TDS-3 Meter

HM Digital TDS-3 Handheld Meter With Carrying Case.This TDS Meter is ideal for all water purification applications, wastewater regulation, aquaculture, hydroponics, and colloidal silver.A perfect TDS Meter for both consumer and commercial use.

Specifications
TDS Range: 0 - 9990 ppm (mg/L)
Temp. Range: 0 - 80 degrees Celsius
Resolution: 1 ppm, 1 degree Celsius (also available in 10 ppm)
Accuracy: +/- 2%
ATC: Built-in sensor for Automatic Temperature Compensation of 1 to 50 degrees Celsius (33 to 122 degrees Fahrenheit)
Power source: 2 x 1.5V button cell batteries (included)
Battery life: 1000 hours of usage
Dimensions: 15.5 x 3.1 x 2.3cm (6.1 x 1.25 x 1 inches)
Weight with case: 76.5g (2.7 oz)
Weight without case: 56.7g (2 oz)