Not voting is supporting the NWO

[flyermay]

Just remind everyone that every time you don't vote you are giving your vote to the winning party in an election.

It would be a pity that so many good people would end up making their non-vote count towards the wrong guys.

Find any small party or independent candidate and give them your vote in the next elections; they would probably not win, but at least your vote will not count against you and in favour of the NWO.

[lobuk]

Just remind everyone that every time you don't vote you are giving your vote to the winning party in an election.

It would be a pity that so many good people would end up making their non-vote count towards the wrong guys.

Find any small party or independent candidate and give them your vote in the next elections; they would probably not win, but at least your vote will not count against you and in favour of the NWO.

Good point.

It is very tempting to not want to vote because the whole system is corrupt and controlled and we dont want to be a part of our own enslavement. We are stuck in this system for now though so like you say, not voting is basically a vote towards the puppet controlled parties.

It is probably better to vote on a small party so at least your vote is doing something against the NWO bastards.

I always feel like writing "NONE" on the vote Slip LoL

[flyermay]

Good point.

It is very tempting to not want to vote because the whole system is corrupt and controlled and we dont want to be a part of our own enslavement. We are stuck in this system for now though so like you say, not voting is basically a vote towards the puppet controlled parties.

It is probably better to vote on a small party so at least your vote is doing something against the NWO bastards.

I always feel like writing "NONE" on the vote Slip LoL

Yes, actually a blank vote is better than not voting at all, because it can't be counted towards any party.

I do agree that the system is corrupted to the core, but the problem is that those who support the corrupt system always vote and help these assholes raise to power, while the good people always end up not voting -which also helping these assholes stay in power-.

[danny fremen]

Just remind everyone that every time you don't vote you are giving your vote to the winning party in an election.

It would be a pity that so many good people would end up making their non-vote count towards the wrong guys.

Find any small party or independent candidate and give them your vote in the next elections; they would probably not win, but at least your vote will not count against you and in favour of the NWO.

In order to remind someone they would already have to be in agreement with your premise.

You're assuming that your position is correct but it is not.

It is those who vote who legitimize their (the NWO's) game. The best thing is for people to stop voting. If you do not take part, you are not giving them authority over you.

Millions of people do not believe in, and/or have not consented to democracy, and do not want to "play that game" (vote for a leader/party), and yet have the will of others imposed on them. Who gave them (you) that right? Even if just one person did not consent, what gives the others the right to impose their will on him/her?

By voting blank, you are still assenting to the rule of the largest vote winner.

Your moral mandate only extends to those WILLING to participate in the game you play. But tell me one voter who only took part in the game (fraud) after ensuring that the winner would NOT attempt to impose their will on those who didn't choose to vote?

So by voting, even if it is a blank vote, you ARE giving your vote (assent) to the winning party in an election. And your vote DOES count in favour of the NWO.

This subject is one of the most difficult for people to understand, because the programming for demo(n)crac(z)y is so strong.

It should be:-

Listening to your Conscience (or God) and you deciding.

Not:-

The majority decides for everyone, regardless of Conscience (or God).

I'll give you an example. Say your group of friends is going out to eat one night. And someone says, let's have a vote on where to go? That's great. You're not voting for a person/party to have power over you. You're voting for an idea.

But let's say that one of them (you) doesn't feel like going out that night. And the others vote anyway, and then they try and FORCE you to come with them! And if you refuse, then they make up laws to stick you in jail!

You'd say that was evil, right? Not respecting your freewill?

Yet that's exactly what's going on when you vote in elections. It is dictatorial. It really is.

We ought to obey God not men. And act. Voting is just like talking. It's not good enough.

The majority, here on Earth, are often wrong. And it's because they can more easily be deceived by someone willing to deceive them, than accept the truth from someone willing to teach them it. That's why the game is rigged from the very start.

I have sometimes been told that if I don't know how to "run the country" I should shut up. So I ask them if they know how to run the country themselves? They say no. I say, then what makes you think you are qualified to vote for people who will do so? What would you think if a space agency offered the general public to elect which astronauts should go up in the next spaceship, when they know very little about space travel?

The great majority of people on Earth are not qualified to vote, because they do not understand what is really going on, they only think they do. But they are allowed to, because it is convenient to the Elite.

Do you really think they would allow you to cast blank votes, if that went against their interests in any way? Do you really think that small parties would be allowed to run for election if that went against their interests in any way?

Please take the time to consider this much more carefully, before continuing to advise others to do what you have suggested.

[flyermay]

In order to remind someone they would already have to be in agreement with your premise.

You're assuming that your position is correct but it is not.

I would like to say that I disagree with you, but the fact is that this how things work. If you don’t vote against them you are actually giving your vote to them. Every time a person does not vote counts towards the winning party.

It is those who vote who legitimize their (the NWO's) game. The best thing is for people to stop voting. If you do not take part, you are not giving them authority over you.

Millions of people do not believe in, and/or have not consented to democracy, and do not want to "play that game" (vote for a leader/party), and yet have the will of others imposed on them. Who gave them (you) that right? Even if just one person did not consent, what gives the others the right to impose their will on him/her?

Your moral mandate only extends to those WILLING to participate in the game you play. But tell me one voter who only took part in the game (fraud) after ensuring that the winner would NOT attempt to impose their will on those who didn't choose to vote?

So by voting, even if it is a blank vote, you ARE giving your vote (assent) to the winning party in an election. And your vote DOES count in favour of the NWO.

They have authority over you already whether you vote or not. I never voted until recently, and they always had authority over me whether I like it or not. We are all registered as a “person” from the moment our parents obtain our birth certificate, so voting or not voting is irrelevant for that matter.

This subject is one of the most difficult for people to understand, because the programming for demo(n)crac(z)y is so strong.

It should be:-

Listening to your Conscience (or God) and you deciding.

Not:-

The majority decides for everyone, regardless of Conscience (or God).

I'll give you an example. Say your group of friends is going out to eat one night. And someone says, let's have a vote on where to go? That's great. You're not voting for a person/party to have power over you. You're voting for an idea.

But let's say that one of them (you) doesn't feel like going out that night. And the others vote anyway, and then they try and FORCE you to come with them! And if you refuse, then they make up laws to stick you in jail!

You'd say that was evil, right? Not respecting your freewill?

Yet that's exactly what's going on when you vote in elections. It is dictatorial. It really is.

I don’t think that’s a valid example, it would be more like: you and your friends in a boat, and you have to vote going East or West, whether you vote or not the boat will go East or West; so, you better have your say.

The majority, here on Earth, are often wrong. And it's because they can more easily be deceived by someone willing to deceive them, than accept the truth from someone willing to teach them it. That's why the game is rigged from the very start.

I totally agree with you on this one, I also think the system is unfair and corrupt; and it is NOT by any chance a real democracy –rather an oligarchy-.

I have sometimes been told that if I don't know how to "run the country" I should shut up. So I ask them if they know how to run the country themselves? They say no. I say, then what makes you think you are qualified to vote for people who will do so? What would you think if a space agency offered the general public to elect which astronauts should go up in the next spaceship, when they know very little about space travel?

The great majority of people on Earth are not qualified to vote, because they do not understand what is really going on, they only think they do. But they are allowed to, because it is convenient to the Elite.

That’s a good point, but what I’m talking about is not putting someone in power, but you reduce the amount of power of the mayor parties (all controlled and manipulated to serve the elite –the real oligarchs-).

[danny fremen]

Thank you for your reply, flyermay.



I would like to say that I disagree with you, but the fact is that this how things work. If you don’t vote against them you are actually giving your vote to them. Every time a person does not vote counts towards the winning party.

I explained why it is actually the opposite. Here, you haven't explained why I'm wrong. Just repeated what you believe/believed.



They have authority over you already whether you vote or not. I never voted until recently, and they always had authority over me whether I like it or not. We are all registered as a “person” from the moment our parents obtain our birth certificate, so voting or not voting is irrelevant for that matter.

Don't confuse authority with force. The power that you gain from knowing (100%) that they have no authority over you, from not accepting it, should not be underestimated. I have been faced with situations where the so-called "authorities" tried to take me away and I stood my ground because I knew they had no real authority, and God (the Real Authority) helped me, and they backed off. They had been ordered to arrest me and were not able to fulfill the order. Right can sometimes be Might. I had no guns or anything. Just The Force within me.

It will not happen every single time. You will be arrested, you will go to jail. But you, standing up for what is Right, has an effect upon the world in the long run.

You are looking at things topsy-turvy at the moment. You consider them to have authority over you, as you have stated above. Which is why you feel the need to vote, to try and undo some of that authority. It is all an illusion. You are believing a lie and have already played into their hands. They make you believe in a problem which does not really exist (that they have real authority over you), and then they provide you with a false remedy (voting), which plays you further into their hands and also makes you a dictator like them. You should not care about "birth certificates" that you never signed, and your body's parents do not own you.

When you believe they have no authority, and act accordingly, you then see that there is no need at all to vote, instead many good reasons not to, unless you wish to propagate their tyranny and even help make it grow.



I don’t think that’s a valid example, it would be more like: you and your friends in a boat, and you have to vote going East or West, whether you vote or not the boat will go East or West; so, you better have your say.

Politics and demo(n)crac(z)y is not a necessity. It's more like a virus. An evil meme that gets in the way of people listening to their Conscience (God) and doing the right thing. It makes them seek to gather consensus, or SHAPE consensus to their own ends. It's like the Borg. Assimilation. The total elimination of the listening to the Conscience (God) and acting upon it. It is the act of saying I will put what you all decide BEFORE what my Conscience (God) tells me. It is the slow death of the soul.

Plus, God didn't put me on a boat. If anything, I'm the boat, you are the boat. Each of us is responsible for navigating, each of us is responsible for our own soul. No-one else is. Politicians made me do it is no excuse.

The land isn't going anywhere. And it's God's Say that counts, not mine. What He says we should do is quite clear.


Deuteronomy 5:32
Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.

Deuteronomy 28:14
And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand (right-wing politics), or to the left (left-wing politics), to go after other gods (politicians, etc) to serve them.


And that's what actually happens isn't it? People serving politicians instead of the other way around. They don't call themselves gods (at least not in public) but that's what they really think they are, by expecting us to obey them.

Every time a person refuses to vote, demo(n)crac(z)y is further unmasked for what it really is. Every time a person refuses to vote, the dictators have to show more of their true colours, having less mandate to rule than they did before. They already don't have a mandate to rule me and others, and we already see them for what they are. Join us.



I totally agree with you on this one, I also think the system is unfair and corrupt; and it is NOT by any chance a real democracy –rather an oligarchy-.

Amen.



That’s a good point, but what I’m talking about is not putting someone in power, but you reduce the amount of power of the mayor parties (all controlled and manipulated to serve the elite –the real oligarchs-).

You reduce the power of all of them (big or small... who could grow to become big) over you, through not voting and acting like they have no authority over you. It is impossible to go honestly about this if you took part in voting, in which you implicitly accept the rule of the winner.

I know that some people don't vote because they do not care, but the same also applies to some who do vote. As in, they only care about themselves.

I saw your quote from Plato. And it's true that no good deed ever goes unpunished in Hell. I'd still rather be smart and doing the good deeds than dumb and punishing the (relatively) good guys.

It is also not my wish to argue until I convince you. I believe there is already food for thought in what has been written, and you might come to different conclusions in due time. I'm definitely not going to change my mind. I'm willing to debate but only a little. When two are united by a love of the truth, there is always very little debate. And more thinking done in the privacy of one's closet (own mind).

Peace be with you.


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[the loner]

If voting could change anything, it would be illegal.

[flyermay]

Thank you for your reply, flyermay.

It's a pleasure exchanging points of view with you.

It is also not my wish to argue until I convince you. I believe there is already food for thought in what has been written, and you might come to different conclusions in due time. I'm definitely not going to change my mind. I'm willing to debate but only a little. When two are united by a love of the truth, there is always very little debate. And more thinking done in the privacy of one's closet (own mind).

That's fine with me; everyone in entitled to his own opinion and no one should impose his views on others. On the other hand, I'm finding what you said really interesting, and I actually agree with most of it; except for the part about voting. But I'm quite open-minded when people make sense, so, you might be the one who ends up convincing me. ;)

Don't confuse authority with force. The power that you gain from knowing (100%) that they have no authority over you, from not accepting it, should not be underestimated. I have been faced with situations where the so-called "authorities" tried to take me away and I stood my ground because I knew they had no real authority, and God (the Real Authority) helped me, and they backed off. They had been ordered to arrest me and were not able to fulfill the order. Right can sometimes be Might. I had no guns or anything. Just The Force within me.

You are looking at things topsy-turvy at the moment. You consider them to have authority over you, as you have stated above. Which is why you feel the need to vote, to try and undo some of that authority. It is all an illusion. You are believing a lie and have already played into their hands. They make you believe in a problem which does not really exist (that they have real authority over you), and then they provide you with a false remedy (voting), which plays you further into their hands and also makes you a dictator like them. You should not care about "birth certificates" that you never signed, and your body's parents do not own you.


Does it matter in practice if they really have authority or if they impose their authority by force?

Am I ever going to stop their illusion of authority or stop them using force to impose their authority by not voting?

It will not happen every single time. You will be arrested, you will go to jail. But you, standing up for what is Right, has an effect upon the world in the long run.

I agree, reason why I cannot be passive any longer about what is going on in the world.

When you believe they have no authority, and act accordingly, you then see that there is no need at all to vote, instead many good reasons not to, unless you wish to propagate their tyranny and even help make it grow.

It's not really a matter of them having real authority or not. I'm of the opinion that no man on earth has authority over any other man. But, they do think they have authority, and they are willing to force it upon us. Whether we vote or not has no effect on their game.

There will always be many that are willing to vote for them, and that will give them the justification to impose their will upon us all; whether or not we recognise their authority.

And I understand that voting for small parties or independents will not solve the problem, but at least it won't make it worse; at the contrary, it will take power (even if it is illusory) out of the hand of those parties controlled by the elite; the major parties.

Politics and demo(n)crac(z)y is not a necessity. It's more like a virus. An evil meme that gets in the way of people listening to their Conscience (God) and doing the right thing. It makes them seek to gather consensus, or SHAPE consensus to their own ends. It's like the Borg. Assimilation. The total elimination of the listening to the Conscience (God) and acting upon it. It is the act of saying I will put what you all decide BEFORE what my Conscience (God) tells me. It is the slow death of the soul.

I understand perfectly what you mean, and I even agree with you on this one. But I don't think it's possible to be completely out of this system by simply ignoring it.

Plus, God didn't put me on a boat. If anything, I'm the boat, you are the boat. Each of us is responsible for navigating, each of us is responsible for our own soul. No-one else is. Politicians made me do it is no excuse.

The land isn't going anywhere. And it's God's Say that counts, not mine. What He says we should do is quite clear.

That's fine, but it's also true that man is not an island, and, fortunately or not, all men have to live together on this earth. The metaphor of the boat is not about how you conduct yourself, but about how many times in life there is no other option but to participate in collective decision.

And that's what actually happens isn't it? People serving politicians instead of the other way around. They don't call themselves gods (at least not in public) but that's what they really think they are, by expecting us to obey them.

I agree.

Every time a person refuses to vote, demo(n)crac(z)y is further unmasked for what it really is. Every time a person refuses to vote, the dictators have to show more of their true colours, having less mandate to rule than they did before. They already don't have a mandate to rule me and others, and we already see them for what they are. Join us.

I don't think that's the case, they will justify ruling over us regardless of how many people would vote. For example: it is a fact that each year less and less people vote, but you actually see them using their illusory authority with more and more power. It doesn't really matter to them if you don't vote because you don't recognise their authority, or if you just don't care.

You reduce the power of all them (big or small... who could grow to become big) over you, through not voting and acting like they have no authority over you. It is impossible to go honestly about this if you took part in voting, in which you implicitly accept the rule of the winner.

Yes, that's true: it is a contradiction to say "they don't have authority" and at the same time voting. But as I said, rejecting their authority will not stop them from imposing it on you by force; so, I don't really see other way to reduce their power but to vote against them.

I saw your quote from Plato. And it's true that no good deed ever goes unpunished in Hell. I'd still rather be smart and doing the good deeds than dumb and punishing the (relatively) good guys.

I don't see that quote as related to punishment, but to the fact that if you don't take part in decision making someone will do it for you (like in the metaphor of the boat).

[bobbydiva]

I think at the next election we a should all agree to write a phrase on the voting slip. Like down with the NWO or something.

[danny fremen]

It's a pleasure exchanging points of view with you.

Thank-you. Nice of you to say so. And likewise.



That's fine with me, everyone in entitled to his own opinion and no one should impose his views on others. On the other hand, I'm finding what you said really intering, and I actually agree with most of it; except for the part about voting. But I'm quite open minded when people make sense, so, you might be the one who ends up convincing me. ;)

You can give the credit to the truth, once/if you decide it's the truth. ;)



Does it matter in practice if they really have authority or if they impose their authority by force?

Would you agree that a lot of evil is done in ignorance and because it's easy? Ignorance which continues because people "do as they are told", thereby reinforcing the illusion of authority in the egos of the enforcers. That they have the "right" (actually the wrong) to keep doing it.

When the policy enforcers don't think they are doing anything wrong, and then they are faced with the truth in you, they are forced to reconsider. From that point on, whatever they decide to do, they can no longer claim ignorance or find it that easy. Some of them won't like it (be able to live with it). Others will show themselves to be really evil in the eyes of their colleagues and slowly cause divisions amongst them.

The more that they are forced to impose their so-called "authority" by force, the more people will wake up to the real nature of this NWO cloaked at present by the illusion of popular rule/"authority". Perhaps even some of the policy enforcers themselves.



Am I ever going to stop their illusion of authority or stop them using force to impose their authority by not voting?

I'm not God. But I know that truth must be accepted, precept upon precept, before the overall solution appears. It must not be asked what will I profit from this if I accept this as the truth, as the Right Way? But rather believe in it for its own sake.

If, partly through you, the illusion of even just one of them, is broken, would that not be worth it?



There will always be many that are willing to vote for them, and that will give them the justification to impose their will upon us all; whether or not we recognise their authority.

Yes. We're both agreed on that, but try not to restrict your choices on what to do by being overly concerned about what others decide to do with their freewill.



And I understand that voting for small parties or independents will not solve the problem, but at least it won't make it worse; at the contrary, it will take power (even if it is illusory) out of the hand of those parties controlled by the elite; the major parties.

It is allowed because it is just a way of re-capturing the interest of those who were waking up to a larger truth and putting them back to sleep. Making them wait four more years (and then another four years etc etc). i.e. Ron Paul voters, etc. Mr Paul doesn't even need to be consciously doing it. He might well believe he's doing the right thing. The NWO doesn't need to have consciously arranged for it. But they will recognize its purpose and accept it as a gift from their master.



I understand perfectly what you mean, and I even agree with you on this one. But I don't think it's possible to be completely out of this system by simply ignoring it.

Correct. No matter where you go, you can't escape it. But refusing to accept false authority is an active effort. Because they won't ignore you, not for long anyway. It means taking a stand, not going to a desert island.



That's fine, but it's also true that man is not an island, and, fortunately or not, all men have to live together on this earth. The metaphor of the boat is not about how you conduct yourself, but about how many times in life there is no other option but to participate in collective decision.

I understand that. But we are talking about voting and you do have an option not to participate. Even if they threatened you with death or jail you would still have an option.



I don't think that's the case, they will justify rulling over us regardless of how many people would vote. For example: it is a fact that each year less and less people vote, but you actually see them using their illusory authority with more and more power.

(Bolded and underlined mine) You just highlighted my point. i.e. Their real nature will be/is being seen by more. Not all will (want to) see it. But there are still some who need to see it that haven't yet. There is an important purpose in this.



Yes, that's true: it is a contradiction to say "they don't have authority" and at the same time voting. But as I said, rejecting their authority will not stop them from imposing it on you by force; so, I don't really see other way to reduce their power but to vote against them.

When you accept each truth that comes your way, as the truth, and start living it, then you begin to see The Way, and what's more - you're on The Way.



I don't see that quote as related to punishment, but to the fact that if you don't take part in decision making someone will do it for you (like in the metaphor of the boat).

And perhaps Plato did intend it that way. But as it turned out, he spoke more truth than he perhaps intended, in stating that you will be punished for doing something right (being smart). For restricting yourself to making your own decisions without attempting to lord it over anyone else. For respecting freewill. If you can't beat them join them, is usually awful advice, even if it's Plato's. Many will realize this on the Last Day.

In the end, what matters is that you prove to God (and to yourself) whose side you are really on. Not what you can get others to do. Just keep it simple. Trying to heal the world is too big a task for any man. But you can take part in it, by learning and living The Way. Then see what happens.

In a very real sense, the politicians are giving the people what they want. They do shape consensus, but it is because the voters want that deep-down. Safety in numbers (or so they think). They (most of them) do not want the truth. Anything but. Take us away from it even though we may also complain about where you choose to lead us instead (but we'll put up with it). Politicians fill the void inside voters. The void created through ignoring the Conscience (God) for too long. The politicians become the new "CON-science", telling the people what they want to hear (lies).

Isaiah saw the truth of it (how most people really are).

Isaiah 30
8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear The Law of the LORD:
10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
11 Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.
12 Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon:
13 Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.

A person who regularly listens to and acts upon what their Conscience (God) tells them, has no need of voting, for what he will want is for others to simply do the same. Their own power-base will be formed from the bottom, up. (Humanly-)Leaderless Resistance.

Hope is a precious thing. And we should not waste a single ounce of it by laying it in their fake remedies. :)

They are always desperate to get as many people as they can to vote. They hate knowing, or being told, that it is dictatorial to enforce the winner's rule over those who did not vote. That's why they keep harping on about "voter apathy". They even lie in that excuse because one who does not vote isn't a voter in the first place, so how can they be an apathetic voter? They need to reinforce the illusion (even to themselves) that we are ALL voters and therefore if anyone didn't vote it's just because they are apathetic, so they are still entitled to do as they will to us all. Throw their lie back in their faces, along with some truth, and watch them squirm.

People, vote with your feet every day, not every four years standing in line like cattle, feeling privileged about the "right" to give away more of your rights to whoever wins most votes.

(Would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.)

Thanks for reading. A-Dios for now. I can be contacted through a private message within this forum if you wish to get in touch again.


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[tenzingnorgay]

Just remind everyone that every time you don't vote you are giving your vote to the winning party in an election.

It would be a pity that so many good people would end up making their non-vote count towards the wrong guys.

Find any small party or independent candidate and give them your vote in the next elections; they would probably not win, but at least your vote will not count against you and in favour of the NWO.

To some extent that is true, but when the majority quit voting at all, the game completely changes. Ultimately, we need to all stop voting. Voting legitimizes this corrupt sustem.

[flyermay]

To some extent that is true, but when the majority quit voting at all, the game completely changes. Ultimately, we need to all stop voting. Voting legitimizes this corrupt sustem.

That's also true, and I really hope you are right, but I don't think the majority will ever stop voting; or supporting the system for that matter.

Many of them do actually love their leaders; many believe that the solution is to put their party in power; many are afraid of what would happen if our system collaps; many are paid to support and enforce the system; and many just couldn't care less about the system or who is in power.

[dedicate]

I'm sure this has been covered.. So here's my vote. Don't vote.-- it only encourages them. They've made a mockery of the system, so let's mock their mocking by not voting.

Anyway, its like voting for which prison warden one wants. Peas or Carrots for lunch? -- irrgardless what people say, they serve up what they themselves want, and the majority eat it up.