I hate the word "sheeple"

[scubadiver007]

We were all sheeple once (weren't we?). I certainly was. If I was to go back to that time before 2004 and be called a sheeple, I would find it insulting.

[wakeupworld]

Not insulting to me simply a word of definition used. I happily refer to myself as being one of the sheeple before "waking up" as the saying goes.

[ppd343]

I just hate it because it is "corny" and people automatically dismiss it because it is overused. Most are "sheeple."

[steevo]

I hate the word "sheeple"

Hate can be very destructive.

[krakhead]

I find the word divisive, I see it as creating an 'us and them' mind set, diametrically opposed to the 'infinite love is the only truth' message I feel we should be promoting.

[steevo]

Not insulting to me simply a word of definition used. I happily refer to myself as being one of the sheeple before "waking up" as the saying goes.

ditto

[rowan22]

We were all sheeple once (weren't we?). I certainly was. If I was to go back to that time before 2004 and be called a sheeple, I would find it insulting.


Yeah your right. We all were in the dark at some point. Calling people "sheep" serves the N.W.O agenda in my view. If someone persistently turns the light off don’t blame them for being in the dark.

[steevo]

Yeah your right. We all were in the dark at some point. Calling people "sheep" serves the N.W.O agenda in my view. If someone persistently turns the light off don’t blame them for being in the dark.

Being "politically correct" serves the agenda even more so IMO.

[rowan22]

Being "politically correct" serves the agenda even more so IMO.

That's true, political correctness is just a veil tyranny hides behind isn't it?

It's easy to pontificate about this and that and lose sight of the real issues we (all) face.

We are human. We are fallible. And you know what, that’s great. We don’t need to be kicked around with our frailty, we need people who have the courage to own up to being imperfect to do so. And from there build a sense of ourselves that is accurate and a reflection of what we really need to be human not what we are told makes us "acceptable".

[lyghtkynge]

There are those who crawl at a pace afraid of the race, and those who leap forth at a run. Both may stumble, regardless, along the Way.

The Herd moves forward as a group, hopefully forward, but this is not always the case.

Others give all they have, some misguided, but with a desire to achieve Self Will.

The Herd is encapsulated/insular, unaware of that which operates behind the Veil.

Some choose to move at a quicker pace, but must be wary of their own selves...where the Universal challenge takes place.

Choosing to spread unconditional/infinite love is a deadly illusion, for it is done so in utter ignorance: its very being is the state of the social structure. Look to nature for a hint regarding this. Nurture is provided in most cases, but only sufficient to the needs; then, one must face the Test of Power, to face the Universe Al-One.

[scubadiver007]

Hate can be very destructive.

You are correct but not in the context in which I am using it.

[tracker]

We were all sheeple once (weren't we?). I certainly was. If I was to go back to that time before 2004 and be called a sheeple, I would find it insulting.

yeah me too because that implies that sheep dont have inteligence .:)

[rowan22]

There are those who crawl at a pace afraid of the race, and those who leap forth at a run. Both may stumble, regardless, along the Way.

The Herd moves forward as a group, hopefully forward, but this is not always the case.

Others give all they have, some misguided, but with a desire to achieve Self Will.

The Herd is encapsulated/insular, unaware of that which operates behind the Veil.

Some choose to move at a quicker pace, but must be wary of their own selves...where the Universal challenge takes place.

Choosing to spread unconditional/infinite love is a deadly illusion, for it is done so in utter ignorance: its very being is the state of the social structure. Look to nature for a hint regarding this. Nurture is provided in most cases, but only sufficient to the needs; then, one must face the Test of Power, to face the Universe Al-One.

Very true lyghtkynge. The essence of light speed is in itself a narcotic which for some beckons delusion. The skilful traveller negotiates the pulses, and is aware of the view from the sidelines.

The real fruit of the vine, is how much we distil into shared communication isn't it? I know you know this. It is hard sometimes to not fall victim to the flood which is the source of enlightenment, but also the blank mirror in which the host see no reflection.

[steevo]

You are correct but not in the context in which I am using it.

What about the context that the word "sheeple" is used ?

[steevo]

I call myself a sheeple sometimes. I might say that "I went into sheeple mode :)". I like the word sheeple because I DONT feel insulted by it AT ALL. I think that the word has positive effects. Just shows how we all have different perceptions of things doesnt it. I will continue to use it, even though i feel PRESSURED not to use it.
We are ALL sheeple to an extent. So the word "sheeple" is really another word for "people". I know lots of people who use that word now (who are not part of this forum), and they say it in such a positive way :)

[1964]

We were all sheeple once (weren't we?). I certainly was. If I was to go back to that time before 2004 and be called a sheeple, I would find it insulting.

The word "sheeple" seems to lack compassion. The truth is, we're all sheep, with everyone of us following someone or something at every given point in our lives. And whoever, or whatever, we follow - that is our shepherd. That includes David Icke, for example. Mr. Icke leads, and people follow - he is their shepherd. Whenever we call people "sheeple", we're only deriding ourselves, since we're all following someone, or something.

[rowan22]

I call myself a sheeple sometimes. I might say that "I went into sheeple mode :)". I like the word sheeple because I DONT feel insulted by it AT ALL. I think that the word has positive effects. Just shows how we all have different perceptions of things doesn’t it. I will continue to use it, even though i feel PRESSURED not to use it.
We are ALL sheeple to an extent. So the word "sheeple" is really another word for "people". I know lots of people who use that word now (who are not part of this forum), and they say it in such a positive way :)



I just think that a club which defines its membership as "those who know" excludes those who don’t. But I know having read and really appreciated your standpoint steevo, that you don’t mean that term in a disparaging way. You are someone whose contribution is always coming from a place of love.

[dusthead]

We were all sheeple once (weren't we?). I certainly was. If I was to go back to that time before 2004 and be called a sheeple, I would find it insulting.

I find the word sheeple to be arrogant, snobby, elitist, smug and judgemental. It is a thoroughly unhelpful piece of slang. There are massive amounts of people on this forum who don't appear to have the slightest concept of how insulting that word is to those unfamiliar with the works of David Icke. I am surprised Icke uses the word when he speaks of ridding the world of 'divisions'. He clearly sees the general public in two individual camps if this term is anything to go by and the un-enlightened are clearly not invited to his particular party.

Those who don't like being judged as 'nut-cases' should know better than to judge other people as 'sheeple'. It's hypocrisy in the extreme.

[1964]

I just think that a club which defines its membership as "those who know" excludes those who don’t.

When the truth is offered to all, who creates the division? The person who accepts the truth when he hears it? Or the person who chooses to continue living in ignorance instead? Because the division is real, and it's not going to go away. So what do we do, then, as a solution? Do we pretend the division doesn't exist, in order to placate the one who has no hunger for the truth? To the contrary, it could be that the division will be his last chance for hope - the thing he needs to wake him up. Maybe it's the division that will give him an appetite for the truth, to replace his appetite for ignorance - the same ignorance that threatens to destroy him. We only blind people even further by telling them the division doesn't exist. And what hope do they have then, when they are more blind now for having known us?

Better to give a man the hard truth with at least the hope that he'll be saved by it, than to coddle him with lies as we watch him march to his own destruction - knowing we helped to destroy him.

[zero1]

Well, some people are more easily said and led than others...

[1964]

Well, some people are more easily said and led than others...

I don't agree that some people are more easily led than others. I believe we're all being led by someone, or something. And that we choose who and what will lead us.

Give me one example you can think of, of someone who's following no one, or nothing. Not trying to challenge you in an argumentative sort of way. I just can't come up with even one person as an example.

[rowan22]

When the truth is offered to all, who creates the division? The person who accepts the truth when he hears it? Or the person who chooses to continue living in ignorance instead? Because the division is real, and it's not going to go away. So what do we do, then, as a solution? Do we pretend the division doesn't exist, in order to placate the one who has no hunger for the truth? To the contrary, it could be that the division will be his last chance for hope - the thing he needs to wake him up. Maybe it's the division that will give him an appetite for the truth, to replace his appetite for ignorance - the same ignorance that threatens to destroy him. We only blind people even further by telling them the division doesn't exist. And what hope do they have then, when they are more blind now for having known us?

Better to give a man the hard truth with at least the hope that he'll be saved by it, than to coddle him with lies as we watch him march to his own destruction - knowing we helped to destroy him.

True I agree. Placating the ones who don’t know is just another way of indoctrinating the masses. I just think that, I was once an intellectual ant. (what do you mean I still am) but I would rather have someone offer me a piece of information that moved me forward, than an observation that moved me to not ask any more questions at all.

I'm sure you remember the one teacher from school who really still burns you?

And in the same way, the one for whom you will always have a deep fondness?

Ask yourself what the difference was between them?

[zero1]

I don't agree that some people are more easily led than others. I believe we're all being led by someone, or something. And that we choose who and what will lead us.

Give me one example you can think of, of someone who's following no one, or nothing. Not trying to challenge you in an argumentative sort of way. I just can't come up with even one person as an example.

So you don't agree, that doesn't change the fact. You don't have to be a very smart person to see that most people blindly accept the 'reality' of the world as it is without question, their whole lives through. It's the people, the few, the small percentage of intelligent dissenters, who end up saving the sheeple from themselves because they were the only one's who dared to question and defy the corrupt order of things.

[macneil]

I find the word divisive, I see it as creating an 'us and them' mind set, diametrically opposed to the 'infinite love is the only truth' message I feel we should be promoting.

agreed... even if they say your nuts. i was never a fan of the big ego before but i find it in the truth movement that bit more sickening.

I escpecially dislike seeing ego in the main players Icke, Jones, Tsarion(ish) etc

[1964]

True I agree. Placating the ones who don’t know is just another way of indoctrinating the masses. I just think that, I was once an intellectual ant. (what do you mean I still am) but I would rather have someone offer me a piece of information that moved me forward, than an observation that moved me to not ask any more questions at all.

I'm sure you remember the one teacher from school who really still burns you?

And in the same way, the one for whom you will always have a deep fondness?

Ask yourself what the difference was between them?

I agree with you about the teacher analogy. And I agree that it applies here to a large extent. But at the same time, we're not dealing in exactly the same thing that a teacher is dealing with who's trying to teach his students math, or english, history. When you teach someone math, you're not challenging their deeply held beliefs on what is truth.

[1964]

So you don't agree, that doesn't change the fact. You don't have to be a very smart person to see that most people blindly accept the 'reality' of the world as it is without question, their whole lives through. It's the people, the few, the small percentage of intelligent dissenters, who end up saving the sheeple from themselves because they were the only one's who dared to question and defy the corrupt order of things.

I agree with you, that most people blindly accept the reality they're shown. It doesn't change the fact that everyone is still following someone, or something - that everyone is a sheep, only with different shepherds.

[zero1]

I agree with you, that most people blindly accept the reality they're shown. It doesn't change the fact that everyone is still following someone, or something - that everyone is a sheep, only with different shepherds.

I don't share that dim, cynical view of things; there is an 'out' of the mire.

[rowan22]

I agree with you about the teacher analogy. And I agree that it applies here to a large extent. But at the same time, we're not dealing in exactly the same thing that a teacher is dealing with who's trying to teach his students math, or english, history. When you teach someone math, you're not challenging their deeply held beliefs on what is truth.


There is no challenge either inferred or implied in my view. You just shouldn’t try. You say more about the veracity of (your truth) by not needing to convince others. The notion that you can alter someone else’s perception I find absurd to be honest. This isn't about (imo) converting people. That would transmit a lack of confidence I would regard as self evidently negating.

The truth is, that we all find our own way to truth. It can only be this way. That's the reason I used the example of the teacher. You just learn more from the teacher you identified with. And less from the one you didn't.

Even if your grades were better with the one you disliked, in real terms i.e. in terms of learning about yourself you still learned more from the one you like because there was more than just information transfer going on.

You learned about the man/woman. You learned about relationship and had an experience of another person that allowed you to be open to the possibility of learning.

A total learning experience, not jus an experience about Physics, or maths.

Our culture derides this kind of leaning, and it is the reason why China is kicking our arse all over the place. We don’t know how to engender interest born our of real respect for the source of our learning.

The old way to learn used to be about being paired with an adept. Whether that be apprentice and mate or student and master. Either way a deep contact ensued which communicated real respect and trust.

There is much more to learning than passing exams.

[platform7]

Choosing to spread unconditional/infinite love is a deadly illusion, for it is done so in utter ignorance: its very being is the state of the social structure. Look to nature for a hint regarding this. Nurture is provided in most cases, but only sufficient to the needs; then, one must face the Test of Power, to face the Universe Al-One.

Sorry not looking for an argument but I do not agree with you.
I choose to try and spread unconditional love as oppossed to all the constant fear being spread all around us if you get my drift :confused:

best wishes :)

[1964]

There is no challenge either inferred or implied in my view. You just shouldn’t try. You say more about the veracity of (your truth) by not needing to convince others. The notion that you can alter someone else’s perception I find absurd to be honest. This isn't about (imo) converting people. That would transmit a lack of confidence I would regard as self evidently negating.

The truth is, that we all find our own way to truth. It can only be this way. That's the reason I used the example of the teacher. You just learn more from the teacher you identified with. And less from the one you didn't.

Even if your grades were better with the one you disliked, in real terms i.e. in terms of learning about yourself you still learned more from the one you like because there was more than just information transfer going on.

You learned about the man/woman. You learned about relationship and had an experience of another person that allowed you to be open to the possibility of learning.

A total learning experience, not jus an experience about Physics, or maths.

Our culture derides this kind of leaning, and it is the reason why China is kicking our arse all over the place. We don’t know how to engender interest born our of real respect for the source of our learning.

The old way to learn used to be about being paired with an adept. Whether that be apprentice and mate or student and master. Either way a deep contact ensued which communicated real respect and trust.

There is much more to learning than passing exams.

I see it very differently from you. I see that people's perception can be altered, and how their perception of things - all things - is continuously being manipulated in the world. And again, regarding your analogy of a school teacher, no one suffers dire consequences simply because they're not an ace in math, or history, or english. A math teacher has no reason to lay awake at night, worried that his D average student is going to be destroyed by his poor grade in math. In comparison, many people will be destroyed because they believed a lie and then followed that lie.

Analogies are a great tool for teaching and learning, but only in so far as the analogy fits. Otherwise, the analogy just renders one more false perception of the truth when there are already too many.

Me, I think it's good to be challenged and to challenge others. The truth stands up under challenge, and lies fall. But not everyone agrees with that, or feels the same way. And you've told me you don't. So I won't bother you with this anymore. It was never my intention.

[jojo]

"sheeple" is a great word and totally discribes what the masses are. thats not to diss them in anyway, its just a good adjective.

[rowan22]

I see it very differently from you. I see that people's perception can be altered, and how their perception of things - all things - is continuously being manipulated in the world. And again, regarding your analogy of a school teacher, no one suffers dire consequences simply because they're not an ace in math, or history, or english. A math teacher has no reason to lay awake at night, worried that his D average student is going to be destroyed by his poor grade in math. In comparison, many people will be destroyed because they believed a lie and then followed that lie.

Analogies are a great tool for teaching and learning, but only in so far as the analogy fits. Otherwise, the analogy just renders one more false perception of the truth when there are already too many.

Me, I think it's good to be challenged and to challenge others. The truth stands up under challenge, and lies fall. But not everyone agrees with that, or feels the same way. And you've told me you don't. So I won't bother you with this anymore. It was never my intention.

All false perceptions should be challenged but this isn't the same thing as trying to convert people to your way of thinking is it?

All people owe it to themselves to ascertain what is and what is not truth. Trust in a teacher merely involves the reliability of the teachers instruction, combined with his/her integrity at an emotional level.

Lies come in many different forms. The most pernicious of which are those which represent themselves as absolute truth, but whose underlying agenda is one of control and dogmatic enslavement.

The "truth" should set you free, and it should be judged by this standard and no other.

[rowan22]

"sheeple" is a great word and totally discribes what the masses are. thats not to diss them in anyway, its just a good adjective.

I'm surprised to hear you think that Jo. Your art seems reflective of an understanding of emotion and love of the natural. I would have thought you had some empathy for the less aware?

[jojo]

I'm surprised to hear you think that Jo. Your art seems reflective of an understanding of emotion and love of the natural. I would have thought you had some empathy for the less aware?

i do, and its not about lack of empathy at all. not at all, its merly a discriptive word for the masses. i hold no negativity within it at all :)

i know quite a lot about a herd mentality, one that is predated upon, and sheep act in certain ways..... as do the sheeple. its not about having lack of empathy. its just a word :)

[rowan22]

i do, and its not about lack of empathy at all. not at all, its merly a discriptive word for the masses. i hold no negativity within it at all :)

i know quite a lot about a herd mentality, one that is predated upon, and sheep act in certain ways..... as do the sheeple. its not about having lack of empathy. its just a word :)

That's true they are preyed upon. It's a shame isn't it?. The majority are quite lost and deceived aren't they? A state which must be painful and which causes a lot of distress.

To be so unable to make sense out of the world leaves people frightened and feeling alone doesn't it? A state in which they are easily herded.

[jojo]

That's true they are preyed upon. It's a shame isn't it?. The majority are quite lost and deceived aren't they? A state which must be painful and which causes a lot of distress.

To be so unable to make sense out of the world leaves people frightened and feeling alone doesn't it? A state in which they are easily herded.

exactly ;) like a flock of sheep at the hands of the slaughterman.

[rowan22]

exactly ;) like a flock of sheep at the hands of the slaughter man.

Have you ever been to an abattoir?

[jojo]

yes. i have :(

[rowan22]

yes. i have :(

Not very nice is it? Did it make you feel sorry for the animals?

[jojo]

Not very nice is it? Did it make you feel sorry for the animals?

i think you have to be pretty souless not to feel for the animals. all one can do is offer healing at thier time of death though when your in that situation.

[trev1]

The word "sheeple" seems to lack compassion. The truth is, we're all sheep, with everyone of us following someone or something at every given point in our lives. And whoever, or whatever, we follow - that is our shepherd. That includes David Icke, for example. Mr. Icke leads, and people follow - he is their shepherd. Whenever we call people "sheeple", we're only deriding ourselves, since we're all following someone, or something.


But David always says he doesnt want that - like hes just giving us the
information and we can do what we want with it.

[rowan22]

i think you have to be pretty souless not to feel for the animals. all one can do is offer healing at thier time of death though when your in that situation.

Do you not see a similar state of helplessness in the "sheeple?"

[jojo]

Do you not see a similar state of helplessness in the "sheeple?"

yep. sure do. and i react in the same way as afore mentioned :)

[rowan22]

yep. sure do. and i react in the same way as afore mentioned :)

I'm not trying to run you down but do you not think referring to people as sheep is an implicit way of blaming people for what they don’t know?

[1964]

All false perceptions should be challenged but this isn't the same thing as trying to convert people to your way of thinking is it?

All people owe it to themselves to ascertain what is and what is not truth. Trust in a teacher merely involves the reliability of the teachers instruction, combined with his/her integrity at an emotional level.

Lies come in many different forms. The most pernicious of which are those which represent themselves as absolute truth, but whose underlying agenda is one of control and dogmatic enslavement.

The "truth" should set you free, and it should be judged by this standard and no other.

The best slaves are slaves who already believe they're free. I happen to believe that's true, because I witness it every day. So when even a person's perception of personal freedom can be manipulated, I can't agree that any sense of freedom is a safe standard by which anyone should judge whether they know the truth.

People have the power to convert each other towards their own way of thinking. No person has the power to convert a human being, so that the person is now innately changed for having known the truth. As human beings, we can only share the truth with others. Only the truth, itself, has the power to convert a man, or woman.

And regarding the analogy. It's unlikely that a teacher will accidentally mislead you in math, because he's been taught the wrong things. It's not likely that you'll be deceived in math, because the one teaching you has also been deceived. But say that did happen. Your fondness for the teacher would have no power at all to save both you and the teacher from being deceived.

You're going to have to be clearer with me about whether, or not you really want to discuss all this. My intention isn't to be a bother to you, and I'm receiving some mixed signals.

[steevo]

I see it very differently from you. I see that people's perception can be altered, and how their perception of things - all things - is continuously being manipulated in the world. And again, regarding your analogy of a school teacher, no one suffers dire consequences simply because they're not an ace in math, or history, or english. A math teacher has no reason to lay awake at night, worried that his D average student is going to be destroyed by his poor grade in math. In comparison, many people will be destroyed because they believed a lie and then followed that lie.

Analogies are a great tool for teaching and learning, but only in so far as the analogy fits. Otherwise, the analogy just renders one more false perception of the truth when there are already too many.

Me, I think it's good to be challenged and to challenge others. The truth stands up under challenge, and lies fall. But not everyone agrees with that, or feels the same way. And you've told me you don't. So I won't bother you with this anymore. It was never my intention.

People's perceptions CAN be altered but it takes ALOT of manipulation.
The PTB carried out a decade (or more) or anti-muslim propaganda, and then finished it off with 911. This changed people's perceptions of Muslims.

The best that WE can do is to sew some seeds of TRUTH in people's minds, and to let the seeds grow. Eventually, the people will REALISE the TRUTH.....but only when THEY THEMSELVES are READY. Once the truth has been REALISED, it needs no manipulation for it to flourish, whereas deceit needs to be constantly reinforced.

[jojo]

I'm not trying to run you down but do you not think referring to people as sheep is an implicit way of blaming people for what they don’t know?

not at all. no.

its just an ajdective from my perspective. and a good one at that. the herd metality is a colective because they are stronger in numbers, all the same. the preditors can only pick off the ones who are outside the herd, or are old, young or injured. people who are fear based and do not look within act like this also. sheeple is a great word to discribe them as a colective. its not about blame.....

i supose it depends on your stance about what words mean.

[1964]

But David always says he doesnt want that - like hes just giving us the
information and we can do what we want with it.

It's important to compare how things are, with the way a person says things are. Do our words match our actions? When they don't, we know something's wrong. It applies even to our own personal selves.

[rowan22]

The best slaves are slaves who already believe they're free. I happen to believe that's true, because I witness it every day. So when even a person's perception of personal freedom can be manipulated, I can't agree that any sense of freedom is a safe standard by which anyone should judge whether they know the truth.

People have the power to convert each other towards their own way of thinking. No person has the power to convert a human being, so that the person is now innately changed for having known the truth. As human beings, we can only share the truth with others. Only the truth, itself, has the power to convert a man, or woman.

And regarding the analogy. It's unlikely that a teacher will accidentally mislead you in math, because he's been taught the wrong things. It's not likely that you'll be deceived in math, because the one teaching you has also been deceived. But say that did happen. Your fondness for the teacher would have no power at all to save both you and the teacher from being deceived.

You're going to have to be clearer with me about whether, or not you really want to discuss all this. My intention isn't to be a bother to you, and I'm receiving some mixed signals.

The truth is it is the truth will set you free. It is self validating and liberating by its very effect on the individual. A person who hears the truth can, reject that truth he/she wishes to do so. The truth has no power over the individual that he/she does not freely accept and with free will adopt.

Manipulation, is not free will by definition is it? To manipulate another against their will is an abomination and an affront to all ethical integrity.

A person truth should be as congruent with his own soul as his actions are with his beliefs. Hence the comparison with regards to the good teacher.

My motivation in discussing this is no more mysterious than a belief that the truth should have no shame in its Elucidation.

[rowan22]

not at all. no.

its just an ajdective from my perspective. and a good one at that. the herd metality is a colective because they are stronger in numbers, all the same. the preditors can only pick off the ones who are outside the herd, or are old, young or injured. people who are fear based and do not look within act like this also. sheeple is a great word to discribe them as a colective. its not about blame.....

i supose it depends on your stance about what words mean.

But generally speaking referring to people as "sheep" is a pejorative way of referring to them?

[jojo]

But generally speaking referring to people as "sheep" is a pejorative way of referring to them?

depends on your stand point, you wont sway me on this rowan ;) :)

[1964]

People's perceptions CAN be altered but it takes ALOT of manipulation.
The PTB carried out a decade (or more) or anti-muslim propaganda, and then finished it off with 911. This changed people's perceptions of Muslims.

The best that WE can do is to sew some seeds of TRUTH in people's minds, and to let the seeds grow. Eventually, the people will REALISE the TRUTH.....but only when THEY THEMSELVES are READY. Once the truth has been REALISED, it needs no manipulation for it to flourish, whereas deceit needs to be constantly reinforced.

The deception's been going on for not just ten years, but for thousands of years. And all along, there have been literally billions of people who all believed different things, each of them convinced they knew the truth. It's the identical thing that's happening between you and me even now. My question is, with all this going on, how do you know when you're staring at the truth that it's really the truth?

[rowan22]

depends on your stand point, you wont sway me on this rowan ;) :)

I'm not trying to sway you, I don’t make the rules up! It's just a matter of fact that referring to people as "sheeple" is a criticism of them. Unless you feel being a sheep is a good thing for a person to be.

[jojo]

I'm not trying to sway you, I don’t make the rules up! It's just a matter of fact that referring to people as "sheeple" is a criticism of them. Unless you feel being a sheep is a good thing for a person to be.

there is nothing wrong with a sheep. we are all *one after all. again, its your position of judgement about what a sheep is.

* one as in one consienceness

[1964]

The truth is it is the truth will set you free. It is self validating and liberating by its very effect on the individual. A person who hears the truth can, reject that truth he/she wishes to do so. The truth has no power over the individual that he/she does not freely accept and with free will adopt.

Manipulation, is not free will by definition is it? To manipulate another against their will is an abomination and an affront to all ethical integrity.

A person truth should be as congruent with his own soul as his actions are with his beliefs. Hence the comparison with regards to the good teacher.

My motivation in discussing this is no more mysterious than a belief that the truth should have no shame in its Elucidation.

I understand what you're saying. All I'm saying is that since we can all be manipulated into thinking we're free, then we shouldn't trust our sense of perceived freedom as the sign that we've found the truth. Otherwise, if people couldn't be manipulated into thinking they're free when they're not, then I would agree with you.

[captain coconut]

i hate the word awake in the context of awake vs sheeple (asleep)

[jojo]

So you feel that people being like sheep is a good thing then?

no, but it is a good describing word for people of a certain ilk and disposition.... were going round in circles here arnt we :rolleyes:

[rowan22]

no, but it is a good describing word for people of a certain ilk and disposition.... were going round in circles here arnt we :rolleyes:

A certain kind of disposition? What sort of disposition is that?

[rowan22]

i hate the word awake in the context of awake vs sheeple (asleep)

True they're both insulting.

[jojo]

A certain kind of disposition? What sort of disposition is that?

lol, now come on rowan, your not a stoopid bloke.

i repeat

i refer to the herd mentality of many unawake people, people who live a life of material things, fear, held in a prison by the matrix, people who are run by their egos, people who care so much what their peers think of them that they will have chemicals injected into themselves to be part of the collective ad infinitum ..... i refer to those poeple as sheeple. because it describes them, as a collective easyer than the above waffle.....

however, this does not mean lack of compassion or lacking empathic waves for them. it is mearly a word.

you feel free to associate it how you see fit.

[steevo]

The deception's been going on for not just ten years, but for thousands of years. And all along, there have been literally billions of people who all believed different things, each of them convinced they knew the truth. It's the identical thing that's happening between you and me even now. My question is, with all this going on, how do you know when you're staring at the truth that it's really the truth?

The TRUTH cannot be put into words. The truth just is.
The bible and other literature try to explain TRUTH, but TRUTH has to be REALISED by the individual. No writings can EVER adequately explain TRUTH. Those books are only a pointer (like a sign post) that tells you the direction you need to go in to find TRUTH. You follow the sign post and one day you might (or might not) REALISE TRUTH.
The TRUTH is inside us, but we have simply "forgotten" it.

[1964]

I'm not trying to sway you, I don’t make the rules up! It's just a matter of fact that referring to people as "sheeple" is a criticism of them. Unless you feel being a sheep is a good thing for a person to be.

The truth doesn't bow down to anyone. It doesn't care about your personal perceptions, or mine. So we're left with only two choices. Either we humble ourselves and we bow down to the truth, or we cling to our pride and choose to be deceived instead.

There's nothing wrong with our being sheep, in and of itself. That's simply who we are. I've never met a human being who doesn't look to someone, or something to lead them. And that's ok. What we need to concern ourselves with is whether we are following the right shepherd. Your shepherd leads you in one direction, mine in the opposite. They can't both be right. So one of us has to be lost. And that's all we're trying to figure out - which shepherd is telling the truth? Because that's the shepherd we want to follow.

[captain coconut]

lol, now come on rowan, your not a stoopid bloke.

i repeat

i refer to the herd mentality of many unawake people, people who live a life of material things, fear, held in a prison by the matrix, people who are run by their egos, people who care so much what their peers think of them that they will have chemicals injected into themselves to be part of the collective ad infinitum ..... i refer to those poeple as sheeple. because it describes them, as a collective easyer than the above waffle.....

however, this does not mean lack of compassion or lacking empathic waves for them. it is mearly a word.

you feel free to associate it how you see fit.honest to God a lot of things you described there are being commited everyday by self-proclaimed 'awakened' ones.

i believe a lot of people here follow the herd as well. i mean, the conspiracy movement is the new free love movement, for Christ sake

[jojo]

The truth doesn't bow down to anyone. It doesn't care about your personal perceptions, or mine. So we're left with only two choices. Either we humble ourselves and we bow down to the truth, or we cling to our pride and choose to be deceived instead.

There's nothing wrong with our being sheep, in and of itself. That's simply who we are. I've never met a human being who doesn't look to someone, or something to lead them. And that's ok. What we need to concern ourselves with is whether we are following the right shepherd. Your shepherd leads you in one direction, mine in the opposite. They can't both be right. So one of us has to be lost. And that's all we're trying to figure out - which shepherd is telling the truth? Because that's the shepherd we want to follow.
good post

[rowan22]

lol, now come on rowan, your not a stoopid bloke.

i repeat

i refer to the herd mentality of many unawake people, people who live a life of material things, fear, held in a prison by the matrix, people who are run by their egos, people who care so much what their peers think of them that they will have chemicals injected into themselves to be part of the collective ad infinitum ..... i refer to those poeple as sheeple. because it describes them, as a collective easyer than the above waffle.....

however, this does not mean lack of compassion or lacking empathic waves for them. it is mearly a word.

you feel free to associate it how you see fit.


No I'm being rhetorical. Like it or not Jo we are regarded by the power brokers as livestock. Unless you happen to be a member of the banking aristocracy, you are thought by them. to be a link in a material chain of production...no more.

To sign up to a view of those less enlightened than you are as "sheeple" puts you in the company of those whose stated aim is precisely that you think like that about yourself and those who most need your support. You are free to continue to feel that way if you wish.

I just presumed that your presence on this forum meant you wanted to overturn this treatment of the main bulk of humanity.

But as you say I will not sway you.

[jojo]

honest to God a lot of things you described there are being commited everyday by self-proclaimed 'awakened' ones.

i believe a lot of people here follow the herd as well. i mean, the conspiracy movement is the new free love movement, for Christ sake

hi captian coconut! love the name ;)

and i agree with you totally. :)

[dusthead]

When the truth is offered to all, who creates the division? The person who accepts the truth when he hears it? Or the person who chooses to continue living in ignorance instead? Because the division is real, and it's not going to go away. So what do we do, then, as a solution? Do we pretend the division doesn't exist, in order to placate the one who has no hunger for the truth? To the contrary, it could be that the division will be his last chance for hope - the thing he needs to wake him up. Maybe it's the division that will give him an appetite for the truth, to replace his appetite for ignorance - the same ignorance that threatens to destroy him. We only blind people even further by telling them the division doesn't exist. And what hope do they have then, when they are more blind now for having known us?

Better to give a man the hard truth with at least the hope that he'll be saved by it, than to coddle him with lies as we watch him march to his own destruction - knowing we helped to destroy him.

This was written by an elitist. One who considers their own opinion to be head and shoulders above that of the 'common peasants'. The person who wrote this is unwilling even for one microscopic moment to contemplate the notion that they are capable of human error, bad judgement or imperfection. The post is vain and self-congratulatory. 'Well done me! I'm always right and everyone who disagrees is wrong'.

These are the words of someone who sees daily life as a battle behind two distinct groups - the enlightened and the cretins. That is not reality. There is little desire for individualism in this post and a hunger for division.

As I have said before, if it's insulting to be called a nut-case, then it is equally insulting to be labelled a 'sheep'. People do not fall into the two brackets of 'awake' and 'asleep' with such ease. Those are ridiculous templates to judge your fellow man by.

[jojo]

No I'm being rhetorical. Like it or not Jo we are regarded by the power brokers as livestock. Unless you happen to be a member of the banking aristocracy, you are thought by them. to be a link in a material chain of production...no more.

To sign up to a view of those less enlightened than you are as "sheeple" puts you in the company of those whose stated aim is precisely that you think like that about yourself and those who most need your support. You are free to continue to feel that way if you wish.

I just presumed that your presence on this forum meant you wanted to overturn this treatment of the main bulk of humanity.

But as you say I will not sway you.


oh dear, look who is judging who now rowan....

it is mearly a word. you see it from one stand point, i from another. :)

peace

[rowan22]

The truth doesn't bow down to anyone. It doesn't care about your personal perceptions, or mine. So we're left with only two choices. Either we humble ourselves and we bow down to the truth, or we cling to our pride and choose to be deceived instead.

There's nothing wrong with our being sheep, in and of itself. That's simply who we are. I've never met a human being who doesn't look to someone, or something to lead them. And that's ok. What we need to concern ourselves with is whether we are following the right shepherd. Your shepherd leads you in one direction, mine in the opposite. They can't both be right. So one of us has to be lost. And that's all we're trying to figure out - which shepherd is telling the truth? Because that's the shepherd we want to follow.


Dogma and truth are not the same thing at all.

[rowan22]

oh dear, look who is judging who now rowan....

it is mearly a word. you see it from one stand point, i from another. :)

peace



Nice emotional manipulation of the discussion there. Rising above the point made by obscuring your own prejudice, No you'll have to do better than that I'm afraid

[1964]

The TRUTH cannot be put into words. The truth just is.
The bible and other literature try to explain TRUTH, but TRUTH has to be REALISED by the individual. No writings can EVER adequately explain TRUTH. Those books are only a pointer (like a sign post) that tells you the direction you need to go in to find TRUTH. You follow the sign post and one day you might (or might not) REALISE TRUTH.
The TRUTH is inside us, but we have simply "forgotten" it.

I disagree. I think the truth is easily put into words.

It's wrong to kill. Wrong to steal. Wrong to lie. Good to share. The sky is blue.

All true.

What I see is that a student of truth is like any other student - we all have to begin by learning the basics first. The trouble happens when our teacher is capable of knowing no more truth than we are. That's where we hit a ceiling, or a road block. After that, all we can do is continue waking up to the same facts over and over again. And we'll either remain trapped there, blocked from learning the full truth, or our hunger for the truth will compel us to keep searching.

[jojo]

Nice emotional manipulation of the discussion there. Rising above the point made by obscuring your own prejudice, No you'll have to do better than that I'm afraid

oh dear, sorry rowan, but you just dont get me :)

im sure if we had this discussion in the flesh you would not try and insult me so. thats the problem with written word. no facial expressions and energy interchange.

you are now projecting onto me your meaning of a simple word. one which mean so much to you, yet means nothing really offensive to me. please let our individual perspective just sit as is, without resorting to calling me names.

many thanks in advance :)

[1964]

Dogma and truth are not the same thing at all.

Dogma is just a particular set of teachings and beliefs set out for the student by a particular teacher. Again, nothing innately wrong with dogma in and of itself. What makes a particular dogma good or bad is the teacher teaching it, and whether he's telling the truth.

[cryst4l]

Words can have so many meanings on so many levels. Words have been manipulated and pulled apart for ages and will continue to do so, as this thread is proving.

To term the collective of unawakened as "sheeple" is a term that is not derogatory, it says exactly what it is on the tin.

It is not say that those who use the term "sheeple" are looking down or beneath those who have not yet benefited from where some of us are on the soul/spiritual/whatever you want to term it, path.

Yes there are probably better words to describe the collective but why can those in the light not have a bit of fun among themselves to help enable those of us lucky enough to guide others in the right direction to do so with a smile on our face.

To say that those who use the term are up there with the rest is complete nonsense IMO rowan and you pick at other peoples worlds when you judge them against a word they use.

If you can understand that they are just as the word describes then why is the word such a bad thing. It says exactly what it is on the tin.

Originally Posted by rowan22
No I'm being rhetorical. Like it or not Jo we are regarded by the power brokers as livestock. Unless you happen to be a member of the banking aristocracy, you are thought by them. to be a link in a material chain of production...no more.

To sign up to a view of those less enlightened than you are as "sheeple" puts you in the company of those whose stated aim is precisely that you think like that about yourself and those who most need your support. You are free to continue to feel that way if you wish.

I just presumed that your presence on this forum meant you wanted to overturn this treatment of the main bulk of humanity.

But as you say I will not sway you.

[1964]

good post

Hi jojo :)

[steevo]

I disagree. I think the truth is easily put into words.

It's wrong to kill. Wrong to steal. Wrong to lie. Good to share. The sky is blue.

All true.

What I see is that a student of truth is like any other student - we all have to begin by learning the basics first. The trouble happens when our teacher is capable of knowing no more truth than we are. That's where we hit a ceiling, or a road block. After that, all we can do is continue waking up to the same facts over and over again. And we'll either remain trapped there, blocked from learning the full truth, or our hunger for the truth will compel us to keep searching.

The truth cannot be explained. Those examples that you have mentioned above, are just pointers. The TRUTH isnt a set of rules that can be written down. We can write stuff down, and say that "YOU MUST OBEY MY WRITINGS!", but in reality, that isnt TRUTH. You need to realise yourself what truth is. Those exmaples that you posted (eg it's wrong to kill) are symptoms of not living in TRUTH. If you KNEW TRUTH, you wouldnt consider harming an innocent person anyway.

Btw the sky is grey here, not blue - So which is the truth ?

[jojo]

Words can have so many meanings on so many levels. Words have been manipulated and pulled apart for ages and will continue to do so, as this thread is proving.

To term the collective of unawakened as "sheeple" is a term that is not derogatory, it says exactly what it is on the tin.

It is not say that those who use the term "sheeple" are looking down or beneath those who have not yet benefited from where some of us are on the soul/spiritual/whatever you want to term it, path.

Yes there are probably better words to describe the collective but why can those in the light not have a bit of fun among themselves to help enable those of us lucky enough to guide others in the right direction to do so with a smile on our face.

To say that those who use the term are up there with the rest is complete nonsense IMO rowan and you pick at other peoples worlds when you judge them against a word they use.

If you can understand that they are just as the word describes then why is the word such a bad thing. It says exactly what it is on the tin.

yep, :)

[jojo]

Hi jojo :)

hi :)

[scubadiver007]

I never thought such a simple statement would produce such a thread.


What about the context that the word "sheeple" is used ?

I feel no hate towards others, if that is what you are asking.

There is a quote in the signature of one member of 9/11 blogger which I really like:

"When the learner is ready, the teacher will come"

[ladyred]

Hope I'm jumping in the right spot...

Yes, there's one 'ultimate' truth. However, individuals will take many paths to the truth. What is wrong with that? We shouldn't really be judging the journey of someone else. They are entitled to the learning process as are we. Someone more evolved than ourselves could be sitting and judging us. Doesn't feel so good to be judged just because we are where we are in our journey. Most of us are doing our best with the light we have.

Awakening: For me that would be realising that "everything" I'd been taught might not be correct. That would mean examining ALL my belief systems about everything and deciding if there's anything at all that I wish to retain.

It's hard to be at a stage in your journey where others don't seem to understand your progress. However, what others do understand is love and that's also part of the awakening process: learning to love others. (How simplistic is that?)

Overcoming fear would be another part of the awakening process.

All the crap about being "right or wrong" is rubbish. Mostly there are simply decisions people are making as they're learning. It's a process for all of us and a never ending one apparently. We know what is right for US but we don't always know what is right for the greater population.

Arguing amongst yourselves over the meaning of a word says more about each of you individually than you might realise. Personally, I'm working on being a "bird in the air" rather than a "rock in the ground". (Well, I'm ready for take-off anyway... sigh)

When we have a nemesis... we're often looking at our own reflection. Funny isn't it? I don't like it either!

Have a great day people. If you'd like to know some real truths check out some of Silver Birch's writings or find some of White Eagle's teachings. Fill your head with the beauty and wonder of their teachings.

[steevo]

I disagree. I think the truth is easily put into words.

It's wrong to kill. Wrong to steal. Wrong to lie. Good to share. The sky is blue.

All true.



We also know that we shouldnt plant a bomb in the centre of the earth and blow it to smithereens. How do we know this ? We just KNOW. How do you explain "KNOWING" ?

[jojo]

sigh, rowan, i refer to my pm to you.

if we met and were discussing this, you would realise that you have me pegged wrongly. however, im not getting in a forum tit for tat over such a thing as something as diverse as a word.

blessings to you.

* edit, i refer the above to the post you have deleted. many thanks.

[rowan22]

sigh, rowan, i refer to my pm to you.

if we met and were discussing this, you would realise that you have me pegged wrongly. however, im not getting in a forum tit for tat over such a thing as something as diverse as a word.

blessings to you.

* edit, i refer the above to the post you have deleted. many thanks.

Fair enough as you say it's easy to misread someone sometimes when you can't see them.

[jojo]

Fair enough as you say it's easy to misread someone sometimes when you can't see them.

;) :)

[1964]

The truth cannot be explained. Those examples that you have mentioned above, are just pointers. The TRUTH isnt a set of rules that can be written down. We can write stuff down, and say that "YOU MUST OBEY MY WRITINGS!", but in reality, that isnt TRUTH. You need to realise yourself what truth is. Those exmaples that you posted (eg it's wrong to kill) are symptoms of not living in TRUTH. If you KNEW TRUTH, you wouldnt consider harming an innocent person anyway.

Btw the sky is grey here, not blue - So which is the truth ?

Ok, well, there's no point in our going around in circles, only repeating ourselves. You've made your mind up about what it is you believe, and that's a decision we all have to make for ourselves.

[1964]

hi :)

hehe .... that was cute .... thanks for the chuckle

[steevo]

Ok, well, there's no point in our going around in circles, only repeating ourselves. You've made your mind up about what it is you believe, and that's a decision we all have to make for ourselves.

You can make a list as long as your arm, but the list itself can never explain TRUTH. To live in TRUTH, you must first realise it YOURSELF. A list might HELP you to get to the realisation of what truth is. No matter what our belief system is, the TRUTH will ALWAYS remain - It is unbending and NEVER changes.

I keep repeating myself cos TRUTH is extremely hard to articulate. At the end of the day, you can believe what you want, and so can I. Either way, the TRUTH wont change.

[tracker]

We were all sheeple once (weren't we?). I certainly was. If I was to go back to that time before 2004 and be called a sheeple, I would find it insulting.


So ??????????????????????????????????:confused:

you hate the word "sheeple" :rolleyes: but then use it to describe your self in comparison to how you are now ,:confused: and also relate that to others who are not awake as you are now back then . :confused:

and if you knew what it meant back then and some one called you that , you would find it insulting ?


and besides I call the masses simpletons and not sheeple anymore for two reasons .

1 ) sheep are inteligent and can think for them self .

2 ) the word simpletons is an exact comparison to the masses actions and mind sets .
1 ) they are simple hence simple
2 ) there are bloody tons of the c+nts -----hence tons .
simple--- tons !

there , we all cant please you but then -------Im not trying too .

SIMPLETONS ----------- not sheeple .

:cool:

[lyghtkynge]

Hope I'm jumping in the right spot...

Yes, there's one 'ultimate' truth. However, individuals will take many paths to the truth. What is wrong with that? We shouldn't really be judging the journey of someone else. They are entitled to the learning process as are we. Someone more evolved than ourselves could be sitting and judging us. Doesn't feel so good to be judged just because we are where we are in our journey. Most of us are doing our best with the light we have.

When we have a nemesis... we're often looking at our own reflection. Funny isn't it? I don't like it either!

Have a great day people. If you'd like to know some real truths check out some of Silver Birch's writings or find some of White Eagle's teachings. Fill your head with the beauty and wonder of their teachings.
http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq357/dogz9/SilverBirch.jpg
"Has the human spirit evolved simultaneously with the evolution of physical life?

Silver Birch: "It has evolved, but not on the same pathway, because it was necessary for a certain amount of evolution to take place in the physical body before the spirit could express itself.

"As we can progress after 'death' if we will, is it possible to sink to a lower level by sinful motives after 'death'?

Silver Birch: "Oh, yes. There are many who do not progress for hundreds and sometimes thousands of years who are still filled with the desires of earth even when they have passed to the world of spirit. Their lives are filled with greed and desire, and they seek not to understand the laws of spirit.
. ."The things of the spirit make no impression upon them, for they are still of the earth earthy and they sink from lower planes to still lower planes.

"Does a soul ever sink so low that it is extinguished altogether?

Silver Birch: "No. It may reach a stage where the spark of the Great Spirit within it is but a small flicker, but the light never goes out, for the link which binds it to the Great Spirit is a link forged in eternity. No soul descends so low that it cannot rise. No soul is so high that it cannot descend to help the lowest."
("The Teachings of Silver Birch, Wisdom From The World Beyond," Hannen Swaffer, 1938)

[jojo]

So ??????????????????????????????????:confused:

you hate the word "sheeple" :rolleyes: but then use it to describe your self in comparison to how you are now ,:confused: and also relate that to others who are not awake as you are now back then . :confused:

and if you knew what it meant back then and some one called you that , you would find it insulting ?


and besides I call the masses simpletons and not sheeple anymore for two reasons .

1 ) sheep are inteligent and can think for them self .

2 ) the word simpletons is an exact comparison to the masses actions and mind sets .
1 ) they are simple hence simple
2 ) there are bloody tons of the c+nts -----hence tons .
simple--- tons !

there , we all cant please you but then -------Im not trying too .

SIMPLETONS ----------- not sheeple .

:cool:

:D oh tracker, you make me laugh :D

[tracker]

:D oh tracker, you make me laugh :D

JOJO , I was a simpleton .:D

personally , I dont mind being called one , back then or even now .

to be simple minded , is actually a gift .

ignorance is bliss as they say .

it is all a learning curve , even if we are wrong , and as someone else said on this thread before , we cant blame others for the path they take .

allpaths lead to enlightenment .

hello jojo by the way , nice to see you around .

have a good day young lady .

:)

[scubadiver007]

... then use it to describe your self in comparison to how you are now ,:confused:


My initial message sounded right at the time but I see your point.

I intend to write an article in the new year on this subject.