Something to ponder about.

[stanislav]

Reflections on being awake ...

[Scenario A]

I find it rather interesting how you remove comments from your own channel. I also find it very interesting how you block comments on your web page. Your attitude towards the non conformers is simply to ignore them. It's my way or highway attitude. You believe that it's best not to engage in any argumentative discussion in order to save your face. In other words you are not willing to hear your error for you are sure beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are right and they are wrong. Since ignorant people hear only their own perspective on how things are, I can tell you from someone who has interacted with many of those who claimed to know the ultimate truth, ALL OF THEM were convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that what they have preached was precisely how things were.

[tenzingnorgay]

No, nothing to ponder there at all, except possibly for your mental state....

[mrindigo]

Who is this 'you' you're speaking of, may I ask? If you're referring to Mr. Icke, he doesn't have anything to do with the forums. If this is about your thread regarding religion, it was likely moved to that section because it was where it belonged. If you had something you posted blocked, it was probably blocked because you violated the forum rules. These mods are pretty fair, much more so than other forums I've visited.

Since you don't seem happy with the way things go here, there is always the option to create your own website and forums. That way you can display, block, refute, etc, what-ever you want to your heart's content. This is Mr. Icke's website, and he'll post or not post what-ever he'd like.

As for the rest of your argument, you're being a little vague. It would make it easier for others to respond and debate with you if you would elaborate more. A little coherency goes a long way.

[stanislav]

Who is this 'you' you're speaking of, may I ask? If you're referring to Mr. Icke, he doesn't have anything to do with the forums. If this is about your thread regarding religion, it was likely moved to that section because it was where it belonged. If you had something you posted blocked, it was probably blocked because you violated the forum rules. These mods are pretty fair, much more so than other forums I've visited.

Since you don't seem happy with the way things go here, there is always the option to create your own website and forums. That way you can display, block, refute, etc, what-ever you want to your heart's content. This is Mr. Icke's website, and he'll post or not post what-ever he'd like.

As for the rest of your argument, you're being a little vague. It would make it easier for others to respond and debate with you if you would elaborate more. A little coherency goes a long way.

You know what you are full of yourself or maybe you are just a FOOL! Let me ask you this straight. What is your problem? I am serious! If you have nothing else to contribute to this thread why do you even post this accusatory garbage here. It obvious to me that you are trying to set this thread on fire and make me look like I have something against everyone here (David Icke, mods and what's not). I have nothing against David Icke! In fact he was one of the first people I have stumbled upon when I initially begun my journey towards enlightenment. So I have great respect towards him for waking up people. And it doesn't matter how much of what he says is true or not it matters what his overall intention is, I know what yours is.

I don't have anything against the moderators here either. So far none of them bothered me or did anything wrong that would make me want to accuse them of injustice. And please don't decide for me what I should do or shouldn't. I have my own message board but that is none of your business.

There is no debate here. At least not yet. The title said it clearly. Something to ponder about! If it doesn't resonate with you just move on.

[mrindigo]

You know what you are full of yourself or maybe you are just a FOOL! Let me ask you this straight. What is your problem? I am serious! If you have nothing else to contribute to this thread why do you even post this accusatory garbage here. It obvious to me that you are trying to set this thread on fire and make me look like I have something against everyone here (David Icke, mods and what's not). I have nothing against David Icke! In fact he was one of the first people I have stumbled upon when I initially begun my journey towards enlightenment. So I have great respect towards him for waking up people. And it doesn't matter how much of what he says is true or not it matters what his overall intention is, I know what yours is.

I don't have anything against the moderators here either. So far none of them bothered me or did anything wrong that would make me want to accuse them of injustice. And please don't decide for me what I should do or shouldn't. I have my own message board but that is none of your business.

There is no debate here. At least not yet. The title said it clearly. Something to ponder about! If it doesn't resonate with you just move on.

That's not very nice, I haven't come at you aggressively. I don't have a problem with you. I thought I contributed something to your thread, my apologies.

I asked what I asked to make it easier for you, and other forum posters to respond and debate with you. My intentions where not of malcontent, but rather to help you lay out your point in a way that's more easily understood. Your initial argument was vague, so I gave what I thought to be helpful and constructive criticism, something I personally value and appreciate.

I have no intent to 'light a fire' and pit people against you, sir/miss (Not sure how I should address you),that's petty drama, something I abhor. I never stated you had any issues with David Icke himself, my previous post shows that. I merely pointed out the fact that the content which is posted, is done so in a fashion that he approves of because it's his site. If I was trying to make it look like you had something against Mr. Icke or the mods, I'd have said so directly, I don't 'beat around the bush'. I haven't decided anything for you either, I pitched some suggestions.

It seems you've misunderstood me, and that's okay. I've misunderstood others on these boards myself, so I can relate. Again, I never had any intention to make you feel bad, so my apologies. I suggested some things to you because I care. I could have simply read your post and rudely snubbed you, but I didn't.

[stanislav]

That's not very nice, I haven't come at you aggressively. I don't have a problem with you. I thought I contributed something to your thread, my apologies.

I asked what I asked to make it easier for you, and other forum posters to respond and debate with you. My intentions where not of malcontent, but rather to help you lay out your point in a way that's more easily understood. Your initial argument was vague, so I gave what I thought to be helpful and constructive criticism, something I personally value and appreciate.

I have no intent to 'light a fire' and pit people against you, sir/miss (Not sure how I should address you),that's petty drama, something I abhor. I never stated you had any issues with David Icke himself, my previous post shows that. I merely pointed out the fact that the content which is posted, is done so in a fashion that he approves of because it's his site. If I was trying to make it look like you had something against Mr. Icke or the mods, I'd have said so directly, I don't 'beat around the bush'. I haven't decided anything for you either, I pitched some suggestions.

It seems you've misunderstood me, and that's okay. I've misunderstood others on these boards myself, so I can relate. Again, I never had any intention to make you feel bad, so my apologies. I suggested some things to you because I care. I could have simply read your post and rudely snubbed you, but I didn't.

My apologies! It seems lately I lash out at everyone. People accuse me of so many things that aren't true. All I am trying to do (like everyone else) is to get to the truth of the matter.

The reason why I posted what I posted was my reflection on how I view certain individuals who presume to know it all. I was not referring to David Icke as I doubt he think he knows the ultimate truth. Yet there are certain individuals that seem to act like they are above others in every possible way. And when they are confronted about it they act extremely ignorant. They simply pick and choose what they want to see. Their truth is above others and it's the end of story. They want to feel this way because they believe to be the chosen ones. I feel this way too sometimes but I don't go and put myself as the all knowing God that knows all there is to know.

[mrindigo]

My apologies! It seems lately I lash out at everyone. People accuse me of so many things that aren't true. All I am trying to do (like everyone else) is to get to the truth of the matter.

The reason why I posted what I posted was my reflection on how I view certain individuals who presume to know it all. I was not referring to David Icke as I doubt he think he knows the ultimate truth. Yet there are certain individuals that seem to act like they are above others in every possible way. And when they are confronted about it they act extremely ignorant. They simply pick and choose what they want to see. Their truth is above others and it's the end of story. They want to feel this way because they believe to be the chosen ones. I feel this way too sometimes but I don't go and put myself as the all knowing God that knows all there is to know.

I understand. I think many of us go through times like that, myself included. No worries. :)

I agree, there are many who do seem to think they have things figured out. They may have their own reality figured, but not other people's.

Yes, that arrogance is a little unbecoming, especially when it doesn't exactly show wisdom and open-mindedness. It's evident when the term 'sheeple' is tossed around so effortlessly. It's easy and convenient to label others who don't see eye to eye. Oddly enough, that same thing is in reverse. The terms 'nutter', 'conspiracy nut', are pretty popular when referring to people who don't go along with mainstream ideals. They're really the same meanings and serve to do the same things. They're just tools of social division, and serve to bolster the ego.

A truly awakened person wouldn't see division, or need ego crutches. They would simply speak their mind and respect the wishes and ideals of others even if they don't agree. Then again, my vision of what it means to be 'awakened' is a little different than most.

Truthfully, from my perspective at least, the awakening/truth movement seems to be turning into a social fad for some people who like to see themselves as misfits and renegades. I'd like to see and interact with more folks who are able to shut off their reality television shows, and not worry about who sent their cell phones text messages about who slept with who on said shows. I have to draw a line though, especially when people start claiming their perspectives as 'truth'. It's not much different than than Orwell's 1984, or even the NWO agenda many so vehemently loath for that matter. Humanity is still in it's infancy, so we live in a world of many unknowns, uncertainties, and unanswered questions. I find it amazing that so many can claim to have the answers based on that. We all have a lot to learn, and grow before one can truly be considered awake. Until the minor issues like egotism, racism, sexism, and blind acceptance are addressed, it won't happen. I'd like to think I'm steering toward that path, but I know I've got a long way to go. :D

I think you're correct that Mr. Icke may not believe he has things completely figured out. He's certainly in the know in regards to humanity though. As far as the grand scheme/design goes, that's hard to say really.


I'm glad we were able to clear things up, I've enjoyed your thought provoking post, thank you. :)

[stanislav]

I understand. I think many of us go through times like that, myself included. No worries. :)

I agree, there are many who do seem to think they have things figured out. They may have their own reality figured, but not other people's.

Yes, that arrogance is a little unbecoming, especially when it doesn't exactly show wisdom and open-mindedness. It's evident when the term 'sheeple' is tossed around so effortlessly. It's easy and convenient to label others who don't see eye to eye. Oddly enough, that same thing is in reverse. The terms 'nutter', 'conspiracy nut', are pretty popular when referring to people who don't go along with mainstream ideals. They're really the same meanings and serve to do the same things. They're just tools of social division, and serve to bolster the ego.

A truly awakened person wouldn't see division, or need ego crutches. They would simply speak their mind and respect the wishes and ideals of others even if they don't agree. Then again, my vision of what it means to be 'awakened' is a little different than most.

Truthfully, from my perspective at least, the awakening/truth movement seems to be turning into a social fad for some people who like to see themselves as misfits and renegades. I'd like to see and interact with more folks who are able to shut off their reality television shows, and not worry about who sent their cell phones text messages about who slept with who on said shows. I have to draw a line though, especially when people start claiming their perspectives as 'truth'. It's not much different than than Orwell's 1984, or even the NWO agenda many so vehemently loath for that matter. Humanity is still in it's infancy, so we live in a world of many unknowns, uncertainties, and unanswered questions. I find it amazing that so many can claim to have the answers based on that. We all have a lot to learn, and grow before one can truly be considered awake. Until the minor issues like egotism, racism, sexism, and blind acceptance are addressed, it won't happen. I'd like to think I'm steering toward that path, but I know I've got a long way to go. :D

I think you're correct that Mr. Icke may not believe he has things completely figured out. He's certainly in the know in regards to humanity though. As far as the grand scheme/design goes, that's hard to say really.


I'm glad we were able to clear things up, I've enjoyed your thought provoking post, thank you. :)

I don't even know how to begin to respond to your beautiful post. Truly inspiring! I think you have touched on so many great points. I also think that truth shouldn't be so complicated like so many people who claim to have it present it to be. Once again there is no such thing as the ultimate truth (in my humble opinion). I don't think it is ever possible for anyone to know the ultimate truth assuming that the source has no beginning and no end. I believe that everyone holds their own truth BUT I also believe that truth has quality to it. Just like a diamond has. Even Christians hold their truth though I oppose so much of what they do and say I still find truth in their perspective. Truth is just another perspective however another perspective can never be completely false either. Someone's perspective can only be tainted by fallacy but it always holds something true no matter how wicked it may be. It is said that truth is in the eye of the beholder. Each observes reality (even if it's an illusion) from their own life accumulated experience here on earth. I think to begin to see the greater picture we must unite as one and no I don't mean that everyone must follow one idea but that everyone must contribute their own prescriptive instead of trying to push it down everyone's throat.

[stanislav]

[Scenario B]

I have purchased Matrix V since the day it came out. It was many years ago when I begun my journey towards enlightenment. I used to regard this book to be my Bible and Val Valerian to be my personal God. After a while I realized that what was written in his book consisted of nothing more than half truths at best and plenty speculations that later on I found to be false. What's more frightening is the author himself. He is a control freak. In my opinion he is disturbed in many ways. He is egomaniac of the first degree. I had a chance to interact with him via email. I would strongly suggest to use your discernment AT ALL TIMES. I believe this book and the concepts therein have opened my mind BUT it was just the first step towards enlightenment. Unfortunately for the weak spirited people this book and the author can become a major blockage. I say to you be careful what you belLIEve. Do not ever trust anyone. Take what you think is beneficial and move on. It is important to expand your mind in all areas in order for you to make a better decision down the road.

[unenlightened_waffle]

Reflections on being awake ...

[Scenario A]

I find it rather interesting how you remove comments from your own channel. I also find it very interesting how you block comments on your web page. Your attitude towards the non conformers is simply to ignore them. It's my way or highway attitude. You believe that it's best not to engage in any argumentative discussion in order to save your face. In other words you are not willing to hear your error for you are sure beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are right and they are wrong. Since ignorant people hear only their own perspective on how things are, I can tell you from someone who has interacted with many of those who claimed to know the ultimate truth, ALL OF THEM were convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that what they have preached was precisely how things were.

I think you are dead on about the right and wrong scenario, once people (me included) see one side of an argument they could automatically believe it. The one thing I have learned from my time of spiritual growth is to doubt everything unless it comes from your own experience.

I have been wrong on many occasions and will be wrong many times more, I think personal thoughts and opinions are just that, there is no real right or wrong just opinion and when people force there opinions on other people is when things start to go wrong. But who is at fault the person trying to inflict his views on other people or the person who believes them?

There is lesson in both ways I believe, there is a lesson here for me today and people will not realise it, but people can learn from posts like this!

On another note, I believe you have a right to say whatever you feel is needed, do not be afraid to say whatever you feel. A warning though people tend to react like for like, so you might receive aggressive replies if your tone is aggressive. Although people preach turn the other cheek they are unable to practice it.

It will also be too close to home for some people, if you get my meaning.

:)

[unenlightened_waffle]

[COLOR="Indigo"]

Truthfully, from my perspective at least, the awakening/truth movement seems to be turning into a social fad for some people who like to see themselves as misfits and renegades. I'd like to see and interact with more folks who are able to shut off their reality television shows, and not worry about who sent their cell phones text messages about who slept with who on said shows. I have to draw a line though, especially when people start claiming their perspectives as 'truth'. It's not much different than than Orwell's 1984, or even the NWO agenda many so vehemently loath for that matter. Humanity is still in it's infancy, so we live in a world of many unknowns, uncertainties, and unanswered questions. I find it amazing that so many can claim to have the answers based on that. We all have a lot to learn, and grow before one can truly be considered awake. Until the minor issues like egotism, racism, sexism, and blind acceptance are addressed, it won't happen. I'd like to think I'm steering toward that path, but I know I've got a long way to go. :D



Brilliantly put! I think the worry is, with all this information that is being thrown at us from every angle it is difficult to get an opinion that is valid. Whether you watch big brother, believe in big brother or are against big brother (if you get my multiple meanings) it does not truly matter. It is that you can live your life with compassion, patience, love etc.. that is the ultimate truth. We are all still learning, that is in my opinion why we are still here.

:)

[lyghtkynge]

Mankind isn't very bright...ruthless natured, bloodthirsty, yes.

This thing called unconditional love is a misnomer that has kept humanity in the herd condition, rather than the Oneness state. It's called Ignorance & Innocence: they think they know, but they functionally do not.

It's called programming. They have a mind, yes, used mostly for unconscionable abuse. The scientists claim they are not responsible for misuse of their developments. They are indeed to fault for each error, even as Einstein acknowledged himself. Few do.

There is something that STANDS OUT as Truth, but is very unliked...detested, loathed to the last herds-wo/man. Here it is:

Unconditional Power. In this manner, there is Power to Bestow Love through Wisdom. Without this Wisdom, Will does not bestow. Which is exactly how the 'blessed' elite behave, operate, and maintain their control.
http://guntotingliberal.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Obama_Ahmadinejad_Nuclear_Unconditional_Talks_Iran .jpg
The myth of unconditional love is a magical spell that is inescapable, the very Force of life & death which rides the Wheel of Reincarnation 'eternally.'

Now please go offer your unconditional luv to something with a false faced breast; ready to turn the minute it displeases, or weep the minute you are rejected...and deny all this as you do so. Try something besides sex enslavement, the Wheel's Glue.

I and a few others have Creation's Work to do.

[unenlightened_waffle]

Mankind isn't very bright...ruthless natured, bloodthirsty, yes.

This thing called unconditional love is a misnomer that has kept humanity in the herd condition, rather than the Oneness state. It's called Ignorance & Innocence: they think they know, but they functionally do not.

It's called programming. They have a mind, yes, used mostly for unconscionable abuse. The scientists claim they are not responsible for misuse of their developments. They are indeed to fault for each error, even as Einstein acknowledged himself. Few do.

There is something that STANDS OUT as Truth, but is very unliked...detested, loathed to the last herds-wo/man. Here it is:

Unconditional Power. In this manner, there is Power to Bestow Love through Wisdom. Without this Wisdom, Will does not bestow. Which is exactly how the 'blessed' elite behave, operate, and maintain their control.
http://guntotingliberal.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Obama_Ahmadinejad_Nuclear_Unconditional_Talks_Iran .jpg
The myth of unconditional love is a magical spell that is inescapable, the very Force of life & death which rides the Wheel of Reincarnation 'eternally.'

Now please go offer your unconditional luv to something with a false faced breast; ready to turn the minute it displeases, or weep the minute you are rejected...and deny all this as you do so. Try something besides sex enslavement, the Wheel's Glue.

I and a few others have Creation's Work to do.

I do not quite understand this post, could you make it a little clearer at one moment you are talking of Buddhist wheel of life and then say that unconditional love is misnomer. I am quite suprised how you can talk of buddhist principles and insult compassion?

Do you not know that power corrupts? Or is that a misnomer as well?

What exactly is creation's work?

Love is a word overused and perhaps alot of people mistake for addiction and craving. Love suffers long and is kind.

[stanislav]

Mankind isn't very bright...ruthless natured, bloodthirsty, yes.

This thing called unconditional love is a misnomer that has kept humanity in the herd condition, rather than the Oneness state. It's called Ignorance & Innocence: they think they know, but they functionally do not.

It's called programming. They have a mind, yes, used mostly for unconscionable abuse. The scientists claim they are not responsible for misuse of their developments. They are indeed to fault for each error, even as Einstein acknowledged himself. Few do.

There is something that STANDS OUT as Truth, but is very unliked...detested, loathed to the last herds-wo/man. Here it is:

Unconditional Power. In this manner, there is Power to Bestow Love through Wisdom. Without this Wisdom, Will does not bestow. Which is exactly how the 'blessed' elite behave, operate, and maintain their control.
http://guntotingliberal.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Obama_Ahmadinejad_Nuclear_Unconditional_Talks_Iran .jpg
The myth of unconditional love is a magical spell that is inescapable, the very Force of life & death which rides the Wheel of Reincarnation 'eternally.'

Now please go offer your unconditional luv to something with a false faced breast; ready to turn the minute it displeases, or weep the minute you are rejected...and deny all this as you do so. Try something besides sex enslavement, the Wheel's Glue.

I and a few others have Creation's Work to do.

No offense lyghtkynge but I have hard time understanding what you were trying to say in your previous post. If you can please elaborate for us what is it that you are actually saying.

I don't think unconditional love is a misnomer though I might be wrong. Isn't unconditional love results in oneness? The problem is no one is practicing unconditional love. No one is practicing what they preach (Christians for example). People's love is conditional most of the time. I believe if we practiced unconditional love more often, eventually all humanity was to be come as one or what you called ONENESS. But instead we are busy fighting one another to prove who has the ultimate truth when in fact non of us has it all figured it out. Maybe that what the controllers want us to do. Let them fight amongst themselves while we take away their freedom.

[mrindigo]

I don't even know how to begin to respond to your beautiful post. Truly inspiring! I think you have touched on so many great points. I also think that truth shouldn't be so complicated like so many people who claim to have it present it to be. Once again there is no such thing as the ultimate truth (in my humble opinion). I don't think it is ever possible for anyone to know the ultimate truth assuming that the source has no beginning and no end. I believe that everyone holds their own truth BUT I also believe that truth has quality to it. Just like a diamond has. Even Christians hold their truth though I oppose so much of what they do and say I still find truth in their perspective. Truth is just another perspective however another perspective can never be completely false either. Someone's perspective can only be tainted by fallacy but it always holds something true no matter how wicked it may be. It is said that truth is in the eye of the beholder. Each observes reality (even if it's an illusion) from their own life accumulated experience here on earth. I think to begin to see the greater picture we must unite as one and no I don't mean that everyone must follow one idea but that everyone must contribute their own prescriptive instead of trying to push it down everyone's throat.

Some great wisdom here! I like where you've gone with this post.

I agree, I don't think it's possible to really know and comprehend the full nature and extent of creation. I do think that an admiration and a level of understanding is quite possible though. That may be all we can really hope to attain, and I'm okay with that. :)

Perspective and choice are beautiful aspects of free will, and I like the way you've put it. Perspectives and personal realities are as diverse and plentiful as there are grains of sand in a desert. I agree, uniting as one is a big key to broadening the scope of where we fit in. A grain of sand alone is nothing really very noticeable, but gather trillions of them and they create vast deserts. The same can be said about uniting humanity under a common banner of understanding.

[mrindigo]

Brilliantly put! I think the worry is, with all this information that is being thrown at us from every angle it is difficult to get an opinion that is valid. Whether you watch big brother, believe in big brother or are against big brother (if you get my multiple meanings) it does not truly matter. It is that you can live your life with compassion, patience, love etc.. that is the ultimate truth. We are all still learning, that is in my opinion why we are still here.

:)

Thank you!

That's a valid concern, and there's no debating the constant bombardment of information. As you've pointed out, it's hard to sift through that given the sheer volume and questionable validity at times. Getting by to the best of one's ability is admirable. I agree with you, part of life is learning. I'm still figuring out just what exactly, and that's very exciting.

[stanislav]

mrindigo your post has be noticed. Thank you for your kind words and your wisdom.

Now I wanted to remind everyone an important issue that I believe many people fail to see.

New Age religion and all of the spiritual movements that you see showing up everywhere around the world lately are Deception Of The First Kind. On one hand you have the UFO contactees/abductees, on the other hand you have the others channeling so called "ascended masters" and what's not. One must proceed with caution and ask themselves WHY NOW? It seems many speak about spirituality and secret societies today even within mainstream communities due to movies like THE SECRET, ANGELS AND DEMONS by Dan Brown etc ... One World Government has always been associated with One World Religion. Notice how all of the sudden you have movements like Maitreya - The World Teacher. They are trying to unite all religions into one religion. It seems all innocent to the untrained eye but in fact it is nothing more then a Trojan horse! Naivety is the true enemy of humanity. Candy can also be a poison. In fact most candies you buy at your local store are but a poison

[azureangel]

Mrindigo, I really liked your reasoned and caring response to stanislav. However, I don't agree that humans are in our infancy. We are in the process of remembering the infinite beings that we have always been, except for the interventions on our hard drives. Thanks for the Matrix V comments stanislav, I read a little about that and got a very bad feeling. Stanislav, I just personally prefer to see letters at size 12 font; otherwise I feel as though I'm being yelled at. You might want to consider not lumping "all New Age" in one boat. As DI says, follow your intuition. It boils down to Love vs. fear. And in all religions and groups of people, you will find Love or power and control. To me, awakening is becoming aware of what is going on (which is many different things) and dropping old concepts, behaviors and beliefs...moving more into Love, however that feels for you, connecting with our Mother Earth, reaching out to others. Love, angel

[lupa]

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[stanislav]

Mrindigo, I really liked your reasoned and caring response to stanislav. However, I don't agree that humans are in our infancy. We are in the process of remembering the infinite beings that we have always been, except for the interventions on our hard drives. Thanks for the Matrix V comments stanislav, I read a little about that and got a very bad feeling. Stanislav, I just personally prefer to see letters at size 12 font; otherwise I feel as though I'm being yelled at. You might want to consider not lumping "all New Age" in one boat. As DI says, follow your intuition. It boils down to Love vs. fear. And in all religions and groups of people, you will find Love or power and control. To me, awakening is becoming aware of what is going on (which is many different things) and dropping old concepts, behaviors and beliefs...moving more into Love, however that feels for you, connecting with our Mother Earth, reaching out to others. Love, angel

Yes azureangel it really worked well to subdued my demonic fury LOL!

But isn't ignorance is a state of immaturity thus makes us humans infants on the spiritual level? I still find majority of the people to be ignorant. Now of course we can blame all of this ignorance on the dark influence upon humanity and this will be only one valid point but can we really blame ALL OF IT solely on the dark side? You see I believe the dark side is always there, ready for you to make a choice. It offers you an irresistible fruit of power, knowledge, pleasure and dominance over others BUT AT WHAT COST? It's never the dark side that makes it's first move, it's a choice that humans make (or don't) that allows it to thrive amongst humanity. It is YOU who allows darkness to rule your world. Human ignorance is a crime!

[azureangel]

Yes azureangel it really worked well to subdued my demonic fury LOL!

But isn't ignorance is a state of immaturity thus makes us humans infants on the spiritual level? I still find majority of the people to be ignorant. Now of course we can blame all of this ignorance on the dark influence upon humanity and this will be only one valid point but can we really blame ALL OF IT solely on the dark side? You see I believe the dark side is always there, ready for you to make a choice. It offers you an irresistible fruit of power, knowledge, pleasure and dominance over others BUT AT WHAT COST? It's never the dark side that makes it's first move, it's a choice that humans make (or don't) that allows it to thrive amongst humanity. It is YOU who allows darkness to rule your world. Human ignorance is a crime!

Well, some humans were programmed/created to be pretty basic folks. If we look at times of disaster though, in general humans pull together and support each other. I believe that not all of us have the ability to mentally take in all this information and to take the huge responsibility that means. We are very special, loving, nurturing beings, though. The other piece is, we're still in the Matrix, by which I mean we have a division between dark and light and some beings are playing the extremes. But we are all one. As I become more of the Light, at the same time another being is embodying Darkness in response. I believe we are going to transcend this division and all ascend together. It's a game, although it doesn't feel very fun a lot of the time. Desire for pleasure is about living on the Earth; it's materialism. We came here to play and forgot ourselves. But we're remembering. I have learned that if I can accept everything exactly as it is in the moment, I transcend being stuck in a problem about anything. It's a work in progress. Hang in there! Love, angel