The Bloodlust of Sekhmet

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Sekhmet
And the Near Destruction of Mankind

http://www.lesvampires.org/mirrorsportal/sekhmet.html

There was a time in ancient Egypt where humans entered into a conspiracy to overthrow the Gods. They blasphemed against Ra, king of Gods and men, and heretical priests and magicians plotted ways to turn against the Gods for their destruction, using those very powers the Gods had given to men that they might flourish and grow great upon the earth. Ra, hearing of this plan, called to meet with him the most ancient and potent Deities, those who had been with him in the primeval waters before the time when with his eye, the sun, he had made life. The Gods counseled together and it was decided that Sekhmet, the force against which no other force avails, would appear on the earth and quell the rebellion. Sekhmet would manifest and punish all those who had held in their minds evil images and imagined wicked plots.

Then Sekhmet walked among men and destroyed them and drank their blood. Night after night Sekhmet waded in blood, slaughtering humans, tearing and rending their bodies, and drinking their blood. The other Gods decided that the slaughter was enough and should stop, but they could find no way to stop Sekhmet, who was drunk on human blood. As the carnage went on, the Gods recognized that Sekhmet, Her rage sustained by intoxication, would implacably proceed with the killing until the last human life had been extinguished.

Then Ra had brought to him from Elephantine certain plants which have been said to be the Solanaceae family and which can be brewed as powerful mind-altering drugs. Those plants, and possibly also opium or hemp, were sent to the God Sekti at Heliopolis. Sekti added these drugs to a mixture of beer and also human blood, until seven thousand great jugs of the substance had been made. The jars were taken to a place where Sekhmet would pass and there were poured out onto the ground, inundating the fields for a great distance. And when Sekhmet came to these fields and perceived what She thought to be blood, She rejoiced and drank all of the liquid. Then "Her heart was filled with joy," Her mind was changed, and She thought no more of destroying mankind.

"After that, Ra addressed Sekhmet as the One Who Comes in Peace, praising the beauty and charm of the Goddess." Sekhmet is the goddess most often depicted with the head of a lioness, occasionally with the sun disk. There are more large statues of Sekhmet than of any other deity. Like many deities, the Goddess Sekhmet manifested in many different aspects. She is the bringer of disease and the Great One of Healing. She is the Goddess of War and the Goddess of Love. She is also an underworld deity, known for her destructive tendencies. She has the power to completely destroy not only human bodies, but also their souls - total destruction. She, additionally, is the protector of the dead in the underworld. Some authors have suggested a connection between Sekhmet and kundalini energy.

To become an initiate in the temple of Sekhmet, candidates were actually put to a ritualised "death" where they had to deal with its horrors. These horrors included facing "fiends and vampires". Those who did not succeed in overcoming their fears, if they survived, were disqualified. Her priests and priestesses were considered to be extremely powerful - both as physicians and as practitioners of magick who had the power to destroy and command demons.

The demons of Egypt were divided into two categories: those that serve Sekhmet and those that are of the underworld. Sekhmet’s demons were dispatched to send disease, chaos and pestilence. The demons of the underworld were considered to be worse as they stole body parts from the dead and would eat the hearts of the unworthy. Sekhmet was named the Avenger of Wrongs, and the Scarlet Lady, a reference to blood, and thus also seen as ruling over menstruation. Celebrations for Sekhmet included wild orgies, which earned her the additional titles of Great Harlot and Lady of the Scarlet-Coloured Garments. Those celebrations also included the drinking of the exact substance given to Sekhmet to quench her thirst - sans the blood according to several authors.

This telling of the myth was taken from the walls of the tomb of Seti and unfortunately is the only known version that discusses the blood lust of Sekhmet. Much information has been lost. Of the goddess' four thousand names only a few hundred have survived. In those names that have come down to us, there are a few interesting hints of a connection between Sekhmet and vampirism: Lady of Transformations, Enrapturing One, Giver of Ecstasies, Mother of the Dead, Lady of the Bloodbath, Devouring One, and Terrible One.

A Hymn of Sekhmet

Mine is a heart of carnelian, crimson as murder on a holy day.
Mine is a heart of corneal, the gnarled roots of a dogwood and the
bursting of flowers.
I am the broken wax seal on my lover's letters.
I am the phoenix, the fiery sun, consuming and resuming myself.
I will what I will.
Mine is a heart of carnelian, blood red as the crest of a phoenix.

Source: "The Goddess Sekhmet, Psycho-Spiritual Exercises of the Fifth Way" by Robert Masters

http://www.lesvampires.org/mirrorsportal/sekhmet.html

[limelady]

Great post, and very interesting!

I like your new thread topic sizzle ;)

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Great post, and very interesting!

I like your new thread topic sizzle ;)

She seems to be a very interesting one, this 'lady in red'.

If her priests and priestesses were 'extremely powerful' back in the day, and were such highly accomplished physicians and magicians, it's difficult to imagine that cult not surviving and continuing in different, disguised forms right on down to the present day.

Since "Sekhmet’s demons were dispatched to send disease, chaos and pestilence", I think it might be timely now to take a good look at her and try to figure out how she rolls. :D

One Hundred Names and Epithets of the Goddess Sekhmet
compiled by Robert Masters The Goddess Sekhmet: The Way of the Five Bodies (NY: Amity House, 1988)

Sekhmet, Great one of Magic
Mother of the Gods
One who was before the Gods were
Lady of the Place of the Beginning of Time
Beloved of Ra, her father
Beloved of Bast, her sister
Beloved of Ptah, her husband-brother
At whose wish the arts were born
Beautiful eye which giveth life to the two
lands
Beautiful face, image most beloved by art
Flaming one
Sovereign of Ra, her father
Protectress of the Gods
Lady of the Scarlet-colored garment
Pure One
Destroyer of Rebellions
Eye of Ra
Eye of Horus
Pre-eminent one in the boat of the millions of years
Roamer of deserts
Wanderer in the wastes
Self-contained
Only one
Awakener
Lady of Enchantments
Opener of Ways
Lady of Transformations
Lady of the many faces
Enrapturing one
Giver of Ecstasies
Satisfier of desires
Inspirer of males
Victorious one in battles
Overcomer of all enemies


Ruler of the desert
Ruler of Serpents and of Dragons
Ruler of Lions
Complete One
Sublime One
Enlightener
Empowerer
Sparkling One
Great one of Hekau
Lady of the Magic Lamp
Mother of the Dead
Lady of the Bloodbath
Destroyer by Plagues
Great one of Healing
Destroyer by Fire
Lady of the Waters of Life
Mistress and Lady of the Tomb
Great one in the places of judgment and execution
Guide and protectress from the perils of the underworld
Great one of the Place of appearances in Silence
Lady of the Way of the Five Bodies
Unrivaled and invincible one
Ruler of the Chamber of Flames
The source
She whose opportunity escapeth her not
Winged one
Powerful of heart
The aware
The gleaming one
Sekhmet, who reduceth to silence
Sekhmet, who rouseth the people
Lady of Jubilation
Adorable one


Shining of countenance
Mother of images
Incomparable one
Lady of Intoxications
Mightier than the gods
Most beautiful
Most strong
Great one of laws
Protectress of the divine order
The one who holds back darkness
The beautiful light
Warrior goddess
Goddess of Love
Great one in Heaven
Great serpent on the head of her father
Great one of the incense of the Ennead
Great lady of the House of Life
Queen of the Venerable Ones
Lady of the House of Books
Devouring One
Sekhmet of the Knives
Burner of Evildoers
One before whom Evil trembles
Terrible One
Lady of all Powers
Eternal as her Father
Lady of the Manifold Adornments
Most beautiful among Gods
Bountiful One
Sekhmet, who gives Joys
Unwavering Loyal One
Beloved Teacher
Beloved Sekhmet

http://www.sekhmettemple.com/Namespage.htm

[limelady]

Phew.....now THAT'S a handle! :eek:

Was there anything that lady couldn't do?

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Was there anything that lady couldn't do?

She liked to keep busy. ;)


Sounds like she was a little demanding too...

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Having once unleashed her powers for the destruction of mankind, the Egyptians feared a repeat performance by Sekhmet. The Egyptian people developed an elaborate ritual in hopes she could be appeased. This ritual revolved around more than 700 statues of the goddess (such as the one to the left). The ancient Egyptian priests were required to perform a ritual before a different one of these statues each morning and each afternoon of every single day of every single year. Only by the strictest adherence to this never-ending ritual could the ancient Egyptians be assured of their ability to placate Sekhmet.


http://www.egyptianmyths.net/sekhmet.htm

EDIT: So many of her statues have survived intact, btw, because they were apparently coated in anthrax in ancient times to prevent vandalism.

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As with the Goddess Isis, Sekhmet seems to have been reinvented in the twentieth century. Although she is still regarded as a powerful force, to be approached with respect and caution, we can perceive a 'watering down' of her aspects. In Ancient Egypt she was dangerous and ferocious, the bringer of plagues and retribution, the fire of the sun God's eye. This was no benign figure, who could be adored and worshipped as a gentle mother.

Today many women view Sekhmet as a source of strength, independence and assertiveness, and commune with her frequency when these attributes need to be augmented or instilled. To some Sekhmet has become the symbol of the modern woman. She is approached as a healer, bringer of justice and as a guardian or protector, but the emphasis has shifted. It seems a natural progression that Sekhmet has transformed from what was almost a force of chaos into an icon of immanent female power.

http://www.crystalinks.com/sekhmet.html


- I've noticed some female empowerment clips on youtube based around awakening the Sekhmet energy. Maybe people are being badly deceived by this twentieth century reinvention of her nature?

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In the Pyramid Text we find the oldest collection of religious spells known to us from ancient Egypt. This collection forms the basis of much of the later religious theology and literature of ancient Egypt. The passages were eventually separated and categorized, as well as illustrated and eventually evolved into the Book of the Dead, or more properly, "The Book of the Coming forth by Day". The oldest of these text come from that Pyramid of Wenis, or more popularly these days, Unas at Saqqara.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/pyramidtext.htm

Since Saqqara is home to the oldest known pyramid in all of Egypt, the Step Pyramid of King Djoser:

http://interoz.com/EGYPT/stepyram.htm

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...and the pyramid of Unas at Saqqara contains the oldest known collection of religious spells from Ancient Egypt, then it's probably a good bet that this pyramid will tell us some useful things about the 'Mother of God' Sekhmet herself...

The Pyramid Complex of Unas is located in the pyramid field at Saqqara, near Cairo in Egypt.

The pyramid of Unas of the Fifth Dynasty (originally known as Beautiful are the places of Unas) is now ruined, and looks more like a small hill than a royal pyramid.

It was investigated by Perring and then Lepsius, but it was Gaston Maspero who first gained entry to the chambers in 1881, where he found texts covering the walls of the burial chambers, these together with others found in nearby pyramids are now known as the Pyramid Texts. In the burial chamber itself the remains of a mummy were found, including the skull, right arm and shin, but whether these belong to Unas is not certain.

Near to the main pyramid, to the north east, there are mastabas that contain the burials of the consorts of the king.

It is believed that within the inscriptions of the Pyramid Text in Unas's tomb, there are also some lines of a Semitic dialect, written in Egyptian script and comprising the earliest evidence of written Semitic language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Unas

From Unas, the last king of the 5th Dynasty, varying selections of spells were carved in all the royal pyramids of the Old Kingdom, particularly the sarcophagus chamber and antechamber. There were some 227 spells in the Pyramid of Unas, and each subsequent pyramid provided fresh new additions, though no single pyramid contained the whole collection of spells.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/pyramidtext.htm

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"Spell Central"?

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A search for Sekhmet, the Unas pyramid and spells quickly brings up reference to the "West Wall (* cough *) Gable."

This seems to be it here:

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Okay, so this Gable has a spell on it about Sekhmet, huh?

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Translator!!!!!

Utterance 248

262: To say the words:
"Unas is a great one.
Unas came out between the thighs of the Divine Ennead.
Unas was conceived by Sekhmet;
It is Shesemtet [loincloth ornament] who gave birth to Unas
(as) to a star with sharp (spd) front (hA.t), with wide stride, which brings provender for the road of Re every day.
Unas has come to his throne which is over (tp.t) the Two Goddessess (who protect Upper and Lower Egypt), and Unas appears (xaj) as a star."


OK.

So the "gable" is a spell, one of the earliest known to man, that describes how the lioness-headed goddess Sekhmet gave birth to the king...

Interesting.

[strangeinlostworld]

Interesting link, size_of_light.

(Sorry for the short reply, just wanted to suscribe to this thread). ;)

[strt]

Great thread!

[pinkfreud]

very interesting stuff there SOL. it made me think of the hindu female deity kali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali)- it's hard not to draw parallels between the two, since both are associated with death and destruction (read bloodshed).

vedanta does not allow violence in any form, and yet the later hindu texts are rife with stories glorifying kali and ritualism associated with deity worship.



here's (http://www.mandarava.com/metainfo/goddess/kali.htm) a brief on kali:

One of the most recognizable of all the goddesses, Kali Ma, whose name means "Mother Time" or "Black Mother" (Kali means both "black" and "time") is a fierce representation of the feminine principle Devi, whose other forms include the lovely, gentle Parvati (sometimes referred to as the creator goddess.)

Created by her mother, the goddess Durga (a form of Parvati), to conquer the demons Chandra and Mundra, Kali is also called "Chamundra." Kali enjoyed killing the demons so much, that she got carried away and began to kill everything in sight (much like the Egyptian goddess Sekhmet). Kali's husband, Lord Shiva, threw himself under her feet, and, with her spear poised to pierce his heart, Kali suddenly recognized her own beloved consort and was shocked out of her homicidal rampage, ending her killing spree.

Kali is invoked for protection and guidance-but beware! She will destroy all the old ways to make room for new ones. Kali is not subtle in her approach to life or death- she cuts through the illusions of both to bring us to a higher understanding of ourselves and our true nature purpose.



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i doubt if her worship today is anything to do with the destruction of 'illusion' only, but i am led to believe that most of the people who worship her do so without any knowledge of the symbolism behind it all.

[pinkfreud]

Kali's Destruction: (http://jneumann.squarespace.com/journal/2005/2/5/saturday-february-5-2005-kalis-destruction.html)


I’m not sure if other people see the similarities of Durga’s myth to the destruction myth of Sekhmet, but I see many common threads. In both cases, the male deities had become powerless to stop the threat of Chaos; there was a possibility of Divine Order being overwhelmed. In desperation, the male gods called up a female goddess, the one considered unstoppable. Durga fought very specific battles and it was Kali who sprang out of Durga to do the more extensive killing. In some versions of the Egyptian myth, Ra calls up Hathor to destroy mankind and Sekhmet arises out of her as Hathor’s fierce aspect. Only Sekhmet (never Hathor) is accused of going overboard.

Of course, it always sounds much nicer to say a goddess ripped apart demons instead of human beings. Who would not see this as a more positive role- destroying to protect humanity? If this is the assumption in Durga and Kali’s myth (since no actual humans were injured in the telling of the goddesses’ tale), remember that Durga’s destruction of the demons was done to protect cosmic order, not humanity. As for the Egyptian myth, it spoke of Ra giving the early priests some of his own power, believing the priests would use the gift to help the rest of humanity. Instead, you ended up with humans who had godlike powers, who turned their backs on the gods and began channeling Chaos– which sure sounds like demons to me.

There is another part of the Indian legend that concerns Kali. Kali confronts a demon called Rakta-bija (Blood-seed). When Kali was fighting with this demon, blood from his body would fall on the ground. From every drop of blood of Blood-seed Demon, one thousand demons would spring up. That is why he was called Blood-seed.

Some tales tell of Kali opening her mouth or spreading out her tongue to catch all the blood, drinking it up before it could hit the ground. This supposedly gave her an insatiable taste for blood, and- drunk on blood- she ran across the cosmos killing anyone who dared cross her path. Shiva stopped her killing rage by throwing himself under her feet. Only upon touching his divine form did she calm down and return to her passive form. As Durga, she was then praised by the other gods and told her victory would be worshiped yearly.

Kali, like Sekhmet, retains a tainted image in most circles. She remains the only major deity in today’s world to whom daily offerings of blood are made. I asked V.G. about Kali and the rumors of blood sacrifices and he admitted, "Many Hindus, including some Brahmins, will offer a hen or he-buffalo to the Goddess. To me, these rituals are a distortion of the symbology and mythology connected with Kali."

"It is unfortunate but true that Kali has also been associated with black magic, evil spirits, the awful practices where meat-alcohol-sex are used. Thus, the left-hand-method of worship was developed. These had their own place in proper context. But now people know about them and talk about them out of context. "

Most people in today’s world who worship Kali do not take the extreme left-handed approach. Forget the Hollywood version. Yet, I wonder if it is the nature of religion or of humanity that factions seem to continually break away from the foundation of religious worship (as originally conceived by mystics), and then initiate the most inhumane acts to justify and protect the sanctity of their beliefs.

Obviously, V.G. and I see Kali from the mystic’s viewpoint- as the destroyer of illusion, material attachments and the ego that stands in the way of spiritual enlightenment. Nothing I have seen or experienced with Kali- even in her more frightening and destructive mode- hold a glimmer of negativity.

How sad to see these higher realities distorted within today’s world. World religions speak of love and peace, yet– somewhere in history- they all seem to develop factions that justify the unleashing of members’ inner fears, hate and distrust. Perhaps the problem of left-handed paths arise when charismatic leaders begin preaching religious myths from their own state of awareness. A charismatic leader who wants power and control knows how to redirect human weaknesses. When daily life for the masses becomes challenging and confusing, left-handed paths become a means to turn inner anxiety to outer action. Those that are activated feel once more in control of their destiny. What results is a sad distortion of religion- the belief that deities are pleased when members prove faith by eliminating or stigmatizing all competition. "In the name of our deity we are justified to punish and destroy."

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Great info pink.

I've read a few things that indicate that Sekhmet and Kali are the same being with different names.

To me, the stories they share about being unleashed by the gods to rid the world of 'evildoers' and then getting drunk on their own bloodlust for the job doesn't make them sound like they're real aspects of enlightened energy that have taken on the form of wrathful deities to cut through delusions - it makes them sound like they're very powerful, but very flawed lower level entities with distinctly negative personal traits.

[pinkfreud]

i think these goddesses were first representative of both 'dark' and 'light' energy denoting the balance between good and evil or non duality. in ancient civilizations, you had gods and goddesses who represented both sides because the human spirit by itself was considered non dual in nature; so for every heroic deity, you had a corresponding 'negative' force that brought out the good in these gods, and vice versa.

i personally feel that over time the accounts of blood drinking goddesses (interesting to note that there are no blood drinking gods or male counterparts) have been glorified to justify the notion of blood drinking and mass 'culmination' as a necessary step to take in the eradication of 'evil' or 'scum/demons'. i also wonder if there was a conscious decision, an underlying motive to undermine the 'good' in female energy, and the 'dark' in male energy, and upset the harmony both forces represent... as far as deities went. the benevolent 'mother' had a horrific side to her, but a benevolent god did not have such a twisted side to him- at least not to the degree of the female gods.

for every sekhmet in egypt and kali in india, you have a reak ksaksar devy in cambodia, an empusa and lamia in greece and a lilith in mesopotamia.... i am pretty confused about lilith though, she's described as a mother goddess who brought the other goddesses to existence- but is considered demonic because she thrived on the blood of babies and mothers... parents used to try and protect their babies by making them wear amulets to ward off any attack from lilith. that's one take on her.





blood goddesses are present in almost every ancient civilization and directly associated with black magic. this is a dark practice that seeks to counteract the energy created by worship of 'good' deities.

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i personally feel that over time the accounts of blood drinking goddesses (interesting to note that there are no blood drinking gods or male counterparts) have been glorified to justify the notion of blood drinking and mass 'culmination' as a necessary step to take in the eradication of 'evil' or 'scum/demons'.

I'd go along with that. There's a lot of violent and gory imagery in the ancient texts that I think is meant to describe the actions of wrathful deities (to be understood on a metaphysical level as aspects of your own enlightened mind and not external 'gods'), and some of these teachings have probably been perverted over time into forms of external demonic worship using the names of those deities to serve different ends.

At the same time, there seems to be another category that Sekhmet might fall into (and maybe Kali, or one aspect of her), which includes powerful but unenlightened entities who are clearly originally not in control of themselves and commit all sorts of atrocities when tempted and overcome by their own lust for blood.

In the Sekhmet story, the other gods let her loose not for the good of mankind, but because mankind is challenging the authority of the gods to rule over them.

Her assignment is to kill the 'evildoers' (i.e. anyone who challenges the authority of the 'gods') which, as we all know from watching George Bush after 911, has nothing to do with truth or morality, but is merely a propaganda term to crush your opposition.

If you look at that story as something similar to a group of farmers hiring a guy to wade through their cattle culling all the unruly animals, and then when that guy develops a taste for it and goes on a rampage slaughtering all the cattle indiscriminately until the farmers can figure out a way to trick him into stopping, I think it reveals how self-serving and unenlightened that entire pantheon of gods must be.

Because when they bring Sekhmet under control and transform her in Hathor, the Goddess of Love, not only does there seem to be no expression of remorse from the gods about the innocent victims of Sekhmet's insane rampage that they themselves are responsible for, but they also praise her profusely and then leave humans with an ongoing and neverending ritual of appeasement to her to prevent a repeat episode.


i also wonder if there was a conscious decision, an underlying motive to undermine the 'good' in female energy, and the 'dark' in male energy, and upset the harmony both forces represent... as far as deities went. the benevolent 'mother' had a horrific side to her, but a benevolent god did not have such a twisted side to him- at least not to the degree of the female gods.

Yeah, good points. Why are all the original vampires female? Maybe for whatever reason, that's just how it was. Or maybe it has been seriously twisted to serve a patriarchal worldview.

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Utterance 248

262: To say the words:
"Unas is a great one.
Unas came out between the thighs of the Divine Ennead.
Unas was conceived by Sekhmet;
It is Shesemtet [loincloth ornament] who gave birth to Unas
(as) to a star with sharp (spd) front (hA.t), with wide stride, which brings provender for the road of Re every day.
Unas has come to his throne which is over (tp.t) the Two Goddessess (who protect Upper and Lower Egypt), and Unas appears (xaj) as a star."

http://henadology.wordpress.com/theology/netjeru/shesmetet/


Shesmetet

(Shesmet, Shesemtet, or spellings with Shez-; Hellenized as Smithis) Shesmetet is depicted as a lioness or lioness-headed woman, and is associated with a ritual girdle or apron called a shesmet, her name meaning ‘She of the shesmet‘. The shesmet is described by P. E. Newberry as “a leather belt from which were suspended narrow strips of hide ending in tassels; sometimes the girdle was ornamented with beads and cowries; sometimes the hanging pieces were decorated with Hathor-heads,” (316). The shesmet, which is worn by Gods such as Horus, Seth, Thoth, Sepa, and Amun, but which is particularly characteristic of Soped, was perhaps originally a garment for unmarried girls. Newberry cites similar garments (called rahat or hauf) among several East African peoples to the south of Egypt, which are broken by the bridegroom to complete the wedding ceremony. Moreover, Herodotus (IV. 189) compares the aegis worn by the Greek Goddess Athena to such garments, worn by Libyan women, and similar garments were once worn, according to Newberry, “by Arab girls, by women in their courses, and also, it is said, by worshipers at the Caaba,” (317). Shesmet is also the name in Egyptian for the green mineral malachite, which was used by Egyptians as an eye paint. ‘Shesmet-land’ is also an Egyptian name for an area in the eastern part of Egypt centering around Per-Soped, ‘the House of Soped’, modern Saft el Henneh, a few miles to the east of Bubastis. Significantly, this area was known in early Arab times as El-Hauf, a virtually direct translation of the Egyptian ‘Shesmet-land’ (323).

Shesmetet is paired with Sekhmet, a Goddess also depicted as a lioness, in a formula from the Pyramid Texts which was to be reused in the Coffin Texts and finally in the Book of the Dead. In PT utterances 248 and 704, it is affirmed that the deceased king “was conceived by Sekhmet, and it was Shesmetet who bore the king,” the formula going on to describe the king as “a star brilliant and far-travelling, who brings distant products to Re daily.” The operator similarly identifies himself as “the son of Shesmetet” in CT spell 310, a spell in which the operator otherwise identifies with Khonsu, suggesting some link between Shesmetet and Khonsu. In CT spell 173, the “mat of Shesmetet” is something the deceased refuses to accept, indicating that it represents some kind of corruption; it is clearly not the same as the shesmet (but recall above, the use of the rahat or hauf by menstruating women (Newberry, 317)). In CT spell 331, for “Becoming Hathor,” in a passage in which the operator assumes the wrathful aspect of Hathor, the operator states of those s/he smites, “I make warmth for them in this my name of Shesmetet,” an ironic reference to blasting them with flames. The formula from PT utterances 248 and 704 concerning having been born from Shesmetet is attached, in CT spell 485, to a spell for being in the retinue of Hathor, albeit the reference to Sekhmet has dropped out; the formula returns to its original form, however, in BD spell 66, “Spell for going forth by day,” in which the operator affirms, “I know that I was conceived by Sekhmet and born of Shesmetet,” and the whole formula, including its astral context, is carried over unaltered from PT utterance 248 to BD spell 174. Sekhmet and Shesmetet are also invoked together in a spell to protect against pestilence associated with the transition to the new year, the Book of the Last Day of the Year (no. 13 in Borghouts).

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Moreover, Herodotus (IV. 189) compares the aegis worn by the Greek Goddess Athena to such garments(as the shesmet),

Aegis (pronounced /ˈiːdʒɨs/), from Greek αιγίς, is a large collar or cape worn in ancient times to display the protection provided by a high religious authority or, it is the holder of a protective shield signifying the same, such as a bag-like garment that contained a shield. Sometimes the garment and the shield are merged, with a small version of the shield appearing on the garment. It originally was derived from the protective shield associated with a religious figure when related in myths and images. The wearing of the aegis and its contents show sponsorship, protection, or authority derived from yet a higher source or deity. The name has been extended to many other entities, and the concept of a protective shield is found in other mythologies, while its form varies across sources.



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Closeup of a plaster cast of a Roman sculpture of Athena wearing the scaly Aegis

The concept of doing something "under someone's aegis" now means doing something under the protection of a powerful, knowledgeable, or benevolent source. The word aegis is identified with protection by a strong force with its roots in Greek mythology and adopted by the Romans; there are parallels in Norse mythology and in Egyptian mythology as well, where the Greek word aegis is applied by extension.

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Did these things have magical properties that allowed the gods to shapeshift or commune with other dimensions?

[haukipesukone]

Calamity from the skies, Jenova...

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What was the Aegis?

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In Greek myth the hero Perseus kept the head of the gorgon Medusa in a special bag. He used the head on many adventures. In the Apollodorus (1st century AD) version of the myth Perseus used the head to turn king Polydectes and his friends to stone. He gives the gorgon head to Athena, and Hermes inserts the head in the middle of her shield.

In The Iliad (750-725 BC) Homer says that the gorgon's likeness appears on the aegis of Athena. Homer probably wasn't talking about a shield because he also says the gorgon's likeness appears on Agamemnon's shield. Homer also says the aegis is the thundercloud of Zeus.

Herodotus wrote (450-430 BC) that the aegis was a tasseled goatskin worn by Libyan women and that Zeus had such a skin made from the goat that suckled him. Dionysius Scytobrachion said that the Aegis was a fire breathing monster that Athena killed and skinned.

Mythology was full of conflicting stories. Different ancient people would have had different ideas about the aegis. We only have a few versions of the stories that survived. The ancients would have had more conflicting versions, not a single version that was written down incorrectly a few times. Other myths claim that Perseus didn't even give the gorgon's head to Athena. Pausanias says it's buried in an earthen mound near the Argos market. Another story (whose?) says it was brought to Iconium.

The Romans loved the image of the aegis and wore gorgoneions on their ceremonial armor on coins. For more information on the aegis with many pictures of aegis-style clothing depicted on coins see John W. Bitner's article in The Celator, June 1999.

This page is about coins where the aegis is the main device on a coin.

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good thread.

i had a dream about sekhmet, having an altar underneath a church/vatican, what could this mean. there where snakes and people/women on the altar, it was quite scary actually. in it a voice said that i had to balance the kundalini/chakras.

does anyone have any ideas of what this could mean, symbolise etc.

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good thread.

i had a dream about sekhmet, having an altar underneath a church/vatican, what could this mean. there where snakes and people/women on the altar, it was quite scary actually. in it a voice said that i had to balance the kundalini/chakras.

does anyone have any ideas of what this could mean, symbolise etc.

Celebrations for Sekhmet included wild orgies, which earned her the additional titles of Great Harlot and Lady of the Scarlet-Coloured Garments. from OP .
This associates with the whore of Babylon who many believe represents Rome and the Vatican .The woman cloaked in Scarlett and purple riding a seven headed beast , Rome being built on seven hills and the church adopting the colors of the previous roman emperors as symbols of authority :rolleyes:.
Also early Christian cults drank blood in a vampiric way as they took literally the meaning this is my blood .

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from OP .
This associates with the whore of Babylon who many believe represents Rome and the Vatican .The woman cloaked in Scarlett and purple riding a seven headed beast , Rome being built on seven hills and the church adopting the colors of the previous roman emperors as symbols of authority :rolleyes:.
Also early Christian cults drank blood in a vampiric way as they took literally the meaning this is my blood .

The Scarlet Lady/Lady in Red/Woman in a Red Dress/Whore of Babylon et al. concepts all probably hark back to this hairy chick, methinks.

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The Scarlet Lady/Lady in Red/Woman in a Red Dress/Whore of Babylon et al. concepts all probably hark back to this hairy chick, methinks.

Lady in red as well associates to the red dress program in the matrix movie ? :D

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Lady in red as well associates to the red dress program in the matrix movie ? :D

Yes, and the little girl in red in Schindler's List, maybe.

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Good interesting and informative thread, very interesting. I was thinking of the aegis, and wondered if the word 'mantle' is the same thing (can't think of a example to save myself) e.g. 'The Mantle of Power', 'he took on the mantle' etc.
This is how I like to learn.

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....But, one Pharaoh in particular seems to have had an obsession with Sekhmet. Amenhotep III (father of Akhenaten, Dynasty Eighteen) built hundreds of statues of Sekhmet in the precinct of Mut´s temple (known as "Isheru") south of the Great Temple of Amun in Karnak. It is thought that there was one for every day of the year and that offerings were made every day.

http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/Sekhmet.html

So little Barry Soetoro's Dad was Sekhmet's All Time No. 1 fan, it seems. ;)

Good interesting and informative thread, very interesting. I was thinking of the aegis, and wondered if the word 'mantle' is the same thing (can't think of a example to save myself) e.g. 'The Mantle of Power', 'he took on the mantle' etc.
This is how I like to learn.

Good thinking, you might be onto something there...

mantle
O.E. mentel "loose, sleeveless cloak," from L. mantellum "cloak," perhaps from a Celtic source. Reinforced and altered 12c. by O.Fr. mantel (Fr. manteau), from the L. source. Allusive use for "symbol of literary authority or artistic pre-eminence" is from Elijah's mantle [2 Kings ii.13]. As a layer of the earth between the crust and core (though not originally distinguished from the core) it is attested from 1940. The verb meaning "to wrap as in a mantle" is attested from c.1450.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=mantle

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....But, one Pharaoh in particular seems to have had an obsession with Sekhmet. Amenhotep III (father of Akhenaten, Dynasty Eighteen) built hundreds of statues of Sekhmet in the precinct of Mut´s temple (known as "Isheru") south of the Great Temple of Amun in Karnak. It is thought that there was one for every day of the year and that offerings were made every day.
http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/Sekhmet.html


The Temple Precinct of Mut at Karnak
by Jimmy Dunn

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Aerial View of the Temple of Mut at Karnak

The temple was primarily built by Amenhotep III but other rulers, from the New Kingdom and into the Ptolemaic (Greek) Period also added and enhanced the temple. Recent excavations indicate that much, and possibly all, of the present precinct was village settlement, until some time in the Second Intermediate Period.

During the reigns of Queen Hatshepsut and King Tuthmosis III, the entire precinct probably consisted of the Mut Temple and the sacred lake, but by Ptolemaic times, it had grown to over twenty acres, including massive mud-brick walls, three large temples, smaller temples and chapels, and housing for priests and others. The Mut Temple was enlarged later in the 18th Dynasty, when the main temple building was completely enclosed by new construction, probably by Amenhotep III. The Mut temple's present second pylon, of mud-brick, dates no later than the 19th Dynasty, and may have replaced an earlier precinct or temple wall. Its eastern half was built of stone late in the Ptolemaic period. The temple's first pylon, also of mud-brick, has a stone gateway built no later than the 19th Dynasty, and displays at least one major repair. This pylon may also replace an earlier northern precinct wall. Parts of the west and north walls of this precinct have been uncovered, including a gate bearing Tuthmosis III's name (possibly usurping that of Hatshepsut), an Amarna Period effacement of the name of Amun and a Seti I restoration inscription. The eastern and southern boundaries of this precinct are as yet undefined.

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Within the temple, we find a great quantity of statues with the body of a woman and the head of a lion, though many of these statues have been removed and now stand in a number of museums. In fact, most of the statues of Sekhmet that inhabit the museums of the world came from this temple, where it has been estimated that 700 such statues originally stood around three sides of the first court. While mostly identical, these statues of the goddess Sekhmet were dedicated by various individuals, including Ramesses II, as well as the High Priest Pinedjem (who actually ruled southern Egypt) and Henuttawy. However, most bear the name of Amenhotep III. Each of them reveals different inscriptions, such as, "Sekhmet, beloved of Ptah", "Sekhmet, mistress of the western desert", "Sekhmet in the house of Bastet", "Sekhmet the great" and "Sekhmet, beloved of Sobek". Each of these is connected with the myths surrounding this goddess. For example, the first is attributed to Sekhmet as the feminine principle of Ptah. (see Unas Pyramid post earlier in the thread)

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Most Egyptologists now believe that most if not all of these statues did not originally stand in this district but rather in the mortuary temple of Amenhotep III on the West Bank. They were probably brought to the Mut precinct during the 19th Dynasty when Mut and Sekhmet became more closely associated and rituals involving both with the Isheru first appear to have gained prominence.

http://touregypt.net/featurestories/templemut.htm




It looks like statues of this lady are still coming up out of the ground. Below is a short clip about the present day archaeological work going on at Amenhotep III's mortuary temple (mentioned above) where it's believed these 700 statues first stood. Barky's Dad certainly had a thing for her...


Saving The Temple of Amenhotep III at Thebes (ft Dr. Hourig Sourouzian)

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"There I was, alone in an ancient stone room in Upper Egypt, standing in the presence of a goddess. I observed her feminine form closely… and it seemed that I could actually see her breathing. "

— Hank Wesselman, Ph.D.

Encounters on the Shaman’s Path
with anthropologist Dr. Hank Wesselman PhD.
Encounter with Sekhmet

Join A Shamanic Sojourn in Egypt with Hank Wessleman, in 2009 - full information is available at www.greatmystery.org/events/egyptSW.html.

In January of 2003, I led a travel group to Egypt, an extraordinary adventure during which we visited the great sites of antiquity in response to which many of us had strong dreams as well as paranormal experiences. Here’s one of mine to compliment the encounter with the genie that I posted on the Meta Arts site in February 2005 (see their archives.)

January 9—Our guide and Eygptologist Emil Shakar picked us up at our hotel in Luxor in Upper Egypt at 600 AM. It was still pitch dark as we boarded our bus and headed for the famous temple complex known as Karnak. When we arrived at our destination, I could just make out the guards smiling as they recognized Emil and he suavely tipped them so we could enter the site at this early hour.

The temple of Karnak was and is the heart of Egypt. It is one thing to view photographs of this incredible place in oversized coffee table books at our leisure. It is something quite different to actually stand among the silent, massive stone pillars of this site in the darkness before the dawn, surrounded by the soft, warm earthy scent of the desert with the overarching stars as our companions.

This immense temple complex was constructed by its builders on a monumental scale fit for the gods themselves. How it was done continues to invoke a sense of mystery within us as it is doubtful that we could replicate it today, even with all our high technology.

For example, one side of the immense roof that stands many stories above the ground is built slightly higher than it’s opposing side, creating a natural form of air-conditioning in that warm air is drawn upward during the hot time of the day, allowing cooler breezes from the Nile to the west to flow downward. And this was conceived and executed by Egyptian architects and engineers while the peoples of Europe were still living in their barbarian villages far to the north a thousand years before the Greek Civilization arose.

We in the group stood humbled as we tried to take in the site’s full immensity and its power under the desert sky. Karnak, and its compliment the Temple of Luxor, is one of the wonders of the ancient world.

The light was just beginning to show in the east as Emil took us up the main avenue and into the small shrine that he told us was historically used by the Pharaoh to await the rising sun. Having come so early, we were almost the only visitors in the vast complex, and so this event carried a certain specialness… one could almost say ‘holiness.’

As the rising sun cracked the horizon and suddenly shafted across the altar, we felt our connection with eternity affirmed across more than three and a half thousand years… and we felt our unity with the great mystery that spawned us.

After witnessing the eastern light illuminate the altar, Emil led us quickly to the northeastern edge of the huge site, passing a small scrubby sycamore about eight feet tall that is more than 2,500 years old and is still alive. We then headed toward a small stone building housing the shrine of Ptah.

The word “Egypt” means ‘The land of Ptah’. This deity was (and forever will be) the archetypal force of creation who came from the stars and who formed the world by thinking it into being and by speaking it with his words. In his blue aspect—his blue skin or blue cap, Ptah then ruled Egypt for 8000 years according to myth. His consort (or compliment) during this age was (and is) Sekhmet, the great transformational lion-headed goddess.

After Emil greeted the guards and crossed their palms with a modest wad of Egyptian pounds, the iron grate across the unprepossessing shrine was unlocked and we stepped into the small stone building, entering a room in the center of which a raised dais bears a headless statue of Ptah. After taking in this desecrated sculpture, we gazed around at the reliefs on the walls that depict the great architect and healer Imhotep interacting with the deity Ptah, revealing this place to be a locality of initiation for healers.

Emil’s restless eyes darted toward a dark doorway to our right and in a hoarse whisper, he then told us that within this shrine is the only living statue of Sekhmet in Egypt—one that was placed in this crypt by the Pharaoh Thutmoses the Third in roughly 1450 BC. Emil then tipped the guards once again, and the gate across that door was opened, allowing us access to another small stone room.

As the group filed in, a small hole in the ceiling let in a dim shaft of early light from the sky. We stood blinking as our eyes adjusted to the darkness, and then there in the shadows before us emerged a standing black stone image of Sekhmet, a slender female human form complete with her lion’s head on top of which was perched the sun disc, the cobra uraeus before it. From her base to her apex, the goddess seemed to stand a good seven feet tall.

This was a dramatic experience, to say the least, and Emil then closed the door after us, effectively shutting us into the shrine with Sekhmet. There was only just enough light to barely make out the outlines of the powerful figure before us. But as our eyes continued to adjust to the dim light and the sky outside brightened with the dawn, the goddess seemed to magically take on form and density, manifesting herself in the small room and intimidating us into silent reverence for a good 5 minutes or more.

I stood facing her, leaning against the back wall behind the group, taking it all in, and I watched as the group began to respond, their hands slowly coming up and their prayers softly being offered. I considered what Emil had said—that this was the only ‘living’ statue of Sekhmet in Egypt. With that thought, I decided to try to access the expanded state—the same high frequency brain-wave state described in the books of my Spiritwalker trilogy.

There was no problem. As the first ecstatic surge of energy gripped me in its invisible fist and my breath caught in my chest, I reached for those sensations. In response, the power swept into me like a wave engulfing a beach. I stiffened physically, my mind abruptly expanding… and I suddenly felt the goddess’s awareness focused upon me. There was no doubt. ‘She’ was there.

I tried my best to remain still, controlling my tendency to shake by wedging myself against the back wall. The rest of the group was focused on the statue, and so we remained for another five minutes or more. When Emil finally opened the door, I remained propped against the back wall while my fellow travelers slowly completed their rituals and then quietly filed out the doorway.

Finally only I remained.

There I was, alone in an ancient stone room in Upper Egypt, standing in the presence of a goddess. I observed her feminine form closely… and it seemed that I could actually see her breathing. In those moments, I suddenly remembered that I had Jill’s little camera in my small pack, so I asked in a stifled whisper through clenched teeth if I could take her picture.

A brief snort of amusement jolted through my mind… and I felt her agreement. ‘Why not? Everyone else does and none of them ever asks permission.’

My blood was hissing in my ears as I brought the little metal box to my face with extreme effort. No sooner had I snapped the shot than I realized that I had filled her sanctuary with a flash of shattering light. In the shocked darkness that followed, I wondered if this had been appropriate, and almost in response, two words appeared in my mind.

‘Come closer.’

Astonished, I remained rooted to my spot, my back against the stone wall. I glanced to my right and to my left. I was alone with this leonine goddess. Then again, almost impatiently, the words came...

‘Come here…’

There was no denying this summons. Slowly, and definitely reverently, I managed to jump start my legs and feet, and I slowly shuffled forward until we were only inches apart. I stared up into her lion face and I could feel her cool breath upon my skin.

Then her words came one more time… ‘Kiss me!’

Again, I looked around me in the darkness, but I was alone with her. The group was outside the shrine. So I slipped off my shoes and stepped up onto the statue’s base and slowly reached around and took her into my arms, suddenly aware that her breasts had become warm and soft against my chest and that I could feel her breathing.

The New Yorker born ‘I’ who is very much a mainstream scientist was totally flabbergasted at this turn of events, and as my lips brushed across hers, I felt her face stretch thinly into a smile. And in that timeless moment, the room suddenly brightened, filling with a blue neon light. It was if an aperture behind her had opened—a doorway into the sky. Thoughts moved through my mind—hers and mine… thoughts that conveyed the awareness that there is an inter-dimensional portal here in this shrine.

Without thinking, my hand came up and caressed her face and brow, scratching her as I know all cats like to be scratched. She felt organic, furry, with the bones of her skull and the cartilage of her ears very much alive. In response, she pushed her face against mine, butting me with her forehead in a distinctly feline greeting and the cobra on her brow watched me with a flat stare. Did her free hand grasping the ankh come around and clasp me to her chest. I don’t know but it seemed so, or perhaps she generated a force that created this illusion.

In response, the feelings of power soared within me once more, virtually cutting off my breath. As I gasped for air, Sekhmet leaned down and breathed into my mouth, filling my lungs with her HA—her divine lion breath of life. The doorway shimmered behind her and once more her words appeared in my mind.

“You will return to me in your dreaming… in your dreaming while asleep and in your dreaming while awake. And you may use this portal with my blessing, whenever you wish, now that you know that it is here. Perhaps you will call upon me from time to time… I can be of service to you. Until then, may you fare well…” And then almost as an afterthought, “It is nice to see you again.”

I leaned my face against her breasts as a burst of sudden tears came, and then the softness of her breathing slowly stilled and once again she became a stone image. Simultaneously, the blue light ceased to exist and the crypt was once again in shadow.

I hastily disengaged and stepped back, wiping my face, concerned that Emil or one of the group would come in and find me embracing the statue. Yet I was still alone… so I bowed with reverence and digging in my pocket, I pulled out a small blue glass crow bead. I breathed my gratitude and my respect into the hole in the bead with a whispered prayer to her and tucked it into a crack in the wall where no one would see it, my ritual now complete, my offering made.

As I emerged blinking in the light, I saw that the group had drifted back to the sycamore and was taking pictures, and Emil was still joking with the guards. So I strolled slowly past the mute stone walls, alone with my thoughts as I considered what had just taken place.

Now… I have written before in these columns about how the existence of spirits is problematic for us Westerners. We do not live in a society in which connection with spirits is part of our experienced reality on a day-to-day basis. There are, as well, the mainstream philosophical theorists of our time like Ken Wilber and Jurgen Habermas and Jean Gebser who sidestep the whole issue of spirits.

Yet the fact that shamans claim that they are able to come into relationship with spirits and accomplish various things cannot be denied. There exists historical depth for this claim in anthropological ethnography across several hundred years, like it or not… and then there are my own experiences described in my Spiritwalker trilogy…

We discussed the four levels of spiritual unfolding for a Meta Arts column (9/07 in the archives), and we distinguished between magical and mythic belief systems on the one hand and the authentic transpersonal experiences of the subtle and causal realms on the other.

If we were to categorize Sekhmet in a mythic sense, ‘she’ has two polarities. In Egyptian mythology, Sekhmet represents the warrior as slayer in the negative polarity, the goddess of plagues and pestilence and all sorts of nasty stuff (directed at the enemies of Egypt in days gone by of course). Yet in the positive polarity, this leonine female is the warrior as healer—an archetypal force that expresses fierce compassion—a quality that comes through Sekhmet’s willingness to stand with us while we are embodied mortals in the fires of transformation. She offers this so that we may become who and what our destiny holds out to us.

Now—aside from these mythic beliefs (which can be greatly supportive and sustaining in the short term), it is my understanding as one who walks the shaman’s path that this archetypal force called Sekhmet does indeed exist in the subtle realm of things hidden. As such, ‘she’ is one of those dense concentrations of energy plus awareness plus intelligence that possesses certain qualities and abilities that may be of use to us. Indeed, in reviewing her words to me in the shrine, this is what ‘the agreement’ seems to be.

In fact, it may very well be that these deities of Ancient Egypt (and elsewhere) embody and express the myriad aspects of Nature as archetypal forces that have ‘overseen’ the human experiment from the very beginnings of our long journey across eternity. And in this sense, each of us has the potential to be partnered by many such benevolent forces that are hovering just offstage of the human drama, willing to constellate within us and through us to manifest effects that can be truly life-transforming and very far-reaching.

We’re not talking about religion here in which our priesthoods and scriptures demand worship and deference to some monotheistic father figure in the sky. That’s a belief system, and an archaic one at that. We’re talking about authentic transpersonal experience of the subtle and causal worlds in which we can come into relationship with forces that are real. But how those forces are experienced depends on how we, as individuals, are focused.

When we consider the societal games that we all seem to be playing with each other, it could be observed that many if not most of us are anchored in the negative polarity. We may proclaim that we are not… we may say that we are compassionate beings devoted to the greater good, that we pray to God in church or synagogue or mosque… and yet if we achieve success at the expense of others failure, if we injure others with our words or deeds or thoughts, if we operate through competition, coercion, zeal or deception, we are most definitely in the negative polarity.

If on the other hand, we deal with our family members, friends and co-workers through cooperation, persuasion, with compassion and authenticity, our anchor is in the positive polarity. This ‘law of polarity’ is most important because the archetypal forces do not judge us. They simply exist in the spiritual realms and express themselves through us.

And since we live in a world in which the dominant emotion is fear, a world in which the negative polarity is presented to us as entertainment, whether through endless meaningless sporting events (essentially gladiatorial games) or through Hollywood films and television shows focused within the dark side of human nature, it is not too difficult to see how these mini-and macro-epics reinforce that negative polarity in which our anchor rests.

This reveals that the archetypal forces essentially expand our experience of whatever polarity we inhabit.

As I write these thoughts to you today, this amazing quote came into my inbox from some unknown source.

I give it to you not that you may remember time, but that you might forget it now and then for a moment and not spend all your breath trying to conquer it. Because no battle is ever won he said. They are not even fought. The field reveals to a man his own folly and despair, and victory is an illusion of philosophers and fools.
—William Faulkner
The Sound and the Fury

Time… one of my spheres of operation as those who have read my trilogy will know.

Thinking back to that encounter in Egypt five years ago now (in time), I spent the rest of that day thinking about this. I visited the Luxor museum in the afternoon where I saw a magnificent black stone statue of the Pharaoh Thutmoses the Third, and as I gazed at his face across three and a half millennia, I wondered if he had had a similar encounter with Sekhmet… if he had also thought about the law of polarity.

Over the past five years, the archetypal force of Sekhmet has come to me many times during the shamanic healing rituals that I facilitate in each workshop. And she is always the black leonine woman who exudes qualities of fierce compassion and dark grace… the warrior as healer.

When I visit the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York (one of my favorite places), I always walk through the Egyptian collections in that vast building. And there, in the huge room housing the temple of Dendur, brought stone by stone from Egypt, there sits a series of images of Sekhmet, all in black stone, facing the temple. They were brought from the garden of Mut at Karnak.

And although they are not ‘alive’ as was the image in the shrine of Ptah, I sit in contemplation of them for awhile and then I make my prayer to her while holding a small glass bead in my hand… and when the guards are looking elsewhere, I breathe my love for her into the hole in the bead and tuck it into a crack in the image that attracts me. It’s one of my responsibilities… and it’s part of what it means to walk the shaman’s path.

And so until next month, allow me to invoke the spirit of Chief Hale Makua, my great Hawaiian friend… and with his blessing (and his words), I extend to each of you the Light and the Love of the Ancestors, The Source of Life, rejoicing in the Power and the Peace, braided with the cords of Patience, revealing the tapestry of the strongest force in the Universe… your Aloha.

With warm thoughts
—Dr Hank

http://www.greatmystery.org/newsletters/hank-sekhmet.html

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Yes, and the little girl in red in Schindler's List, maybe.

I thought of that after i posted . Yes makes sense most of Europe soaked in blood !
Robert Temple , interesting name who wrote the dogon book the Sirius mystery also wrote the Crystal sun around 2000-01 i dont have my copy now but he related a dream of sekhmet he or his wife had in one of the temples in Egypt were he went there the next day and discovered something related to it . Sorry to be so vague , but it links with the sekhmet theme here and temples . :D

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I thought of that after i posted . Yes makes sense most of Europe soaked in blood !
Robert Temple , interesting name who wrote the dogon book the Sirius mystery also wrote the Crystal sun around 2000-01 i dont have my copy now but he related a dream of sekhmet he or his wife had in one of the temples in Egypt were he went there the next day and discovered something related to it . Sorry to be so vague , but it links with the sekhmet theme here and temples . :D

Cool, I'll see if I can track it down somewhere.

I don't know if you read the long post just above yours, about the encounter with the 'living' Sekhmet statue?

Whether or not it happened as described, if the author imagined the whole thing or if he made it all up, the encounter doesn't come across as the wonderful spiritual experience he claims to have had, or is trying to promote, to me at all.

The statue tells him to come closer and to kiss it. Then he becomes sensuously entwined with it while it tells him he'll see her in his dreams - waking and sleeping - from now on, that he has a portal to access her and should call on her because she can 'help him'.

That sounds like freaking demonic seduction and an invitation to be possessed by a cynical and ambivalent entity to me, yet he walks away with stars in his eyes like a lovestruck teenager.

From what I've read in the ancient texts compared to the modern day re-invention of Sekhmet as a loving Mother Goddess, I'm starting to suspect that there's a definite New Age agenda to get people's energy aligned with this figure by making shit up about her nature that doesn't seem to appear anywhere in the old writings.

Bast and Sekhmet are explicitly separate goddesses, and even if Sekhmet were really an aspect of Hathor, worshipping Sekhmet by praising some of the apparently positive qualities of Hathor seems like a very confused - and possibly dangerous - thing to be doing.

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Lady in red as well associates to the red dress program in the matrix movie ?

Yes, and the little girl in red in Schindler's List, maybe.

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The figure of the "little person" in the red rain gear in Don't Look Back serves as a trigger or key. As Wikipedia notes, the "spiraling vortex of coincidences, recurring themes and motifs (light on water, breaking glass, the colour red)...reaches a dramatic conclusion in an old bell tower. John [Baxter, the lead character, played by Donald Sutherland] confronts the mysterious figure in red, realizing too late that his visions were premonitions of a grisly end."

A less well-remembered American remake of The Wicker Man, with Nicolas Cage in the lead, was released in 2006 with the film's tale being set on a private island in Puget Sound, Washington. In this 2006 version, a little girl is seen running around in a red coat. As well, there is a pair of twins, old women, both of whom are blind.

In the feature film Flatliners, Kiefer Sutherland is tormented by a small childlike figure in a red hooded coat in an homage to his father's film.

The theme of the little red-clad Venetian figure is used in a dream sequence in the "Book Clubbin'" episode of television series "Absolutely Fabulous," Series 5.

The Irish feature film Intermission (starring Colm Meaney and Colin Farrell) references Don't Look Back's chase of a small figure in a red coat several times.

Don't Look Back's drowning scene is referenced by the 2005 film The Dark starring Sean Bean and Maria Bello in which their daughter drowns wearing a bright red sweater.

In the 2005 film Hostel, a figure fleetingly glimpsed wearing a red raincoat is pursued through narrow alleyways.

The end chase scene of Don't Look Back is referenced in the 2006 release of Casino Royale where James Bond is pursuing Vesper through Venice while she is wearing a red coat.

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Good find rebel. The concept of this mysterious, out-of-place female in red crops up in a lot of films, it seems.

Also the story of Little Red Riding Hood is an obvious possible link too.

And how can we leave out this one? :D :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR62_JuVR8M

As if that creepy little garden gnome is ever gonna get in her pants!!! :D

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Cool, I'll see if I can track it down somewhere.

I don't know if you read the long post just above yours, about the encounter with the 'living' Sekhmet statue?

Whether or not it happened as described, if the author imagined the whole thing or if he made it all up, the encounter doesn't come across as the wonderful spiritual experience he claims to have had, or is trying to promote, to me at all.

The statue tells him to come closer and to kiss it. Then he becomes sensuously entwined with it while it tells him he'll see her in his dreams - waking and sleeping - from now on, that he has a portal to access her and should call on her because she can 'help him'.

That sounds like freaking demonic seduction and an invitation to be possessed by a cynical and ambivalent entity to me, yet he walks away with stars in his eyes like a lovestruck teenager.

From what I've read in the ancient texts compared to the modern day re-invention of Sekhmet as a loving Mother Goddess, I'm starting to suspect that there's a definite New Age agenda to get people's energy aligned with this figure by making shit up about her nature that doesn't seem to appear anywhere in the old writings.

Bast and Sekhmet are explicitly separate goddesses, and even if Sekhmet were really an aspect of Hathor, worshipping Sekhmet by praising some of the apparently positive qualities of Hathor seems like a very confused - and possibly dangerous - thing to be doing.

From what i recal of the sekhmet dream in the book it was to do with light appearing from the statue but dream communication for sure , i will have to get book from library now to re read it . from what i recal it was a blue light he saw must of been the smae temple and statue by the sounds of it .This alos reminds me of Akasha in the ann rice books and movie Queen of the damned . She was a living statue brought back to life and went on a bloodlust killing spree to reign supreme with lestat in place of her king ! The same themes being used her and of course ann rice vampire books blood links . :D

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Lady in red as well associates to the red dress program in the matrix movie ?

Yes, and the little girl in red in Schindler's List, maybe.

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The figure of the "little person" in the red rain gear in Don't Look Back serves as a trigger or key. As Wikipedia notes, the "spiraling vortex of coincidences, recurring themes and motifs (light on water, breaking glass, the colour red)...reaches a dramatic conclusion in an old bell tower. John [Baxter, the lead character, played by Donald Sutherland] confronts the mysterious figure in red, realizing too late that his visions were premonitions of a grisly end."

A less well-remembered American remake of The Wicker Man, with Nicolas Cage in the lead, was released in 2006 with the film's tale being set on a private island in Puget Sound, Washington. In this 2006 version, a little girl is seen running around in a red coat. As well, there is a pair of twins, old women, both of whom are blind.

In the feature film Flatliners, Kiefer Sutherland is tormented by a small childlike figure in a red hooded coat in an homage to his father's film.

The theme of the little red-clad Venetian figure is used in a dream sequence in the "Book Clubbin'" episode of television series "Absolutely Fabulous," Series 5.

The Irish feature film Intermission (starring Colm Meaney and Colin Farrell) references Don't Look Back's chase of a small figure in a red coat several times.

Don't Look Back's drowning scene is referenced by the 2005 film The Dark starring Sean Bean and Maria Bello in which their daughter drowns wearing a bright red sweater.

In the 2005 film Hostel, a figure fleetingly glimpsed wearing a red raincoat is pursued through narrow alleyways.

The end chase scene of Don't Look Back is referenced in the 2006 release of Casino Royale where James Bond is pursuing Vesper through Venice while she is wearing a red coat.

Yes ive seen all these films strangely even the bond one a firend lent me not my type of movie , but all linked to red coat .The wicker man movie particularly links to sacrifice fertility etc , so yes a good find linked together well done . :D

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OK.

So we've got Sekhmet's name appearing as a chief protective spell on the main gable overlooking the entrance to the burial chamber of the Pharoah Unas - the pyramid containing the earliest and oldest known spells in all of Ancient Egypt and the foundation upon which all of it's future religious beliefs were built (including The Book of the Dead).

Sekhmet 'conceived' the king, and a mysterious loincloth ornament which corresponds to the Greek aegis - most likely some kind of animalskin cloak with magical powers - is stated as having given birth to the king.

Skip forward several hundred years to the time of Amonhotep III, apparently the 12th Richest Man in All of History (according to Forbes Magazine), and the father of Akhenaten, whom Michael Tsarion and others assert is the historical figure upon which the Moses myth was built.

Amonhotep III was obsessed with Sekhmet more than any other Pharoah in all of Egyptian history by a long mile and commissioned more than 700 statues in her likeness to preside over his burial temple - the grandest in all of Ancient Egypt.

Additionally, as most people here are probably already aware, there's a strong circumstantial case to be made that Barak Obama could indeed be a clone or reincarnation of Amonhotep III's son, Akhenaten, revived and contrived back into power at this point in history to fulfil the goals of the Atonist cult that he primarily established, and which Michael Tsarion posits is the belief system underpinning the entire Illuminati cause.

We all know how clouded in mystery and deceit Obama's origins are by now - recently articles have been written, and posted here on how the motherfucker appears to have dozens of social security numbers all over America, and of course, no one even knows where the fuck he was born, let alone who his parents were or what training and sponsorship he underwent in his formative years.

Joining all those dots together in speculative (but not at all unreasonable, I think) fashion, let's take an imaginative leap of faith for a while and conceive of and then accept that Obama is a clone or reincarnation of Akhenaten.

If that were the case, maybe Sekhmet would then suddenly become a very important figure for us to study right now, considering what's going on with this bizarre Obama Administration at present, and also taking into account that Sekhmet is the Goddess of Pestilence, Plagues and Disease...

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never heard of her before, but sounds awfully familiar:

And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: and upon her forehead was a name written "Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth". And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus [imo victims of rituals]: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carries her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns....and the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth... Revelations 17:4-18

by the way the encounter with the guy who kissed her was CREEEPY :eek:

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never heard of her before, but sounds awfully familiar:



by the way the encounter with the guy who kissed her was CREEEPY :eek:

We seem to get a really childish, cartoon presentation on what was important about Ancient Egyptian history from the mainstream media, don't we?

Funny about that.

What would you have done if Sekhmet's statue had told you to kiss it? :) :p

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And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: and upon her forehead was a name written "Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth". And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus [imo victims of rituals]: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carries her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns....and the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth... Revelations 17:4-18

BTW - maybe you've seen her recently and didn't quite realise it ;) :eek: :p

[biblegirl]

BTW - maybe you've seen her recently and didn't quite realise it ;) :eek: :p

hmm, she was awfully furry.....doh!

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The Mystery of Smenkhkare

Smenkhkare

Smenkhkare (sometimes erroneously spelled Smenkhare or Smenkare and meaning Vigorous is the Soul of Ra) was an ephemeral Ancient Egyptian Pharaoh of the late Eighteenth Dynasty, of whom very little is known for certain. Traditionally he is seen as Akhenaten's co-regent and immediate successor and predecessor of Tutankhamun and is assumed to be a close, male relative of those two kings (either by blood or marriage).

More recent scholarly work has however cast serious doubts on this traditional view and most aspects of this individual's life and position (such as his precise relation to the Amarna royal family, the nature and importance of his reign and even his gender) are now open to question. Related to this is the ongoing debate about whether or not Akhenaten's co-regent and successor are in fact the same person.

Historical context

The scenes in the tombs of Meryre II and Huya (located in the Amarna Northern tombs necropolis) depicting the reception of foreign tribute are the last clear view we have of the Amarna period[3]. The events depicted are, in the tomb of Meryre II, dated to the second month of Akhenaten's regnal year 12 (in the tomb of Huya they are interestingly enough dated to year 12 of the Aten)[4] and show the last securely dated appearance of the royal family as a whole (that is: Akhenaten, his chief-queen Nefertiti together with their six daughters). These scenes are also the first dated occurrence of the latter name-forms of the Aten[5]. After this date the events at Amarna and their chronology become far less clear and it is only with the accession of Tutankhamun and the restoration early in this king's reign that matters become clearer again.

It is precisely in this shadowy late Amarna period that Akhenaten's co-regent and probable immediate successor comes to the fore. Akhenaten is generally assumed to have died in the late autumn of his 17th regnal year (after the bottling of wine in that year). Nefertiti disappears from view somewhat earlier (around regnal year 14), the reasons for this are at present still unclear and under debate (see below), and around the same time a new co-regent is first attested.

Names

Many of the questions and uncertainties surrounding Akhenaten's co-regent and successor revolve around the names attested for this individual (or individuals). There appear two closely similar yet distinct sets of names in the records available for the late Amarna period, these are:[6]

* Ankhkheprure+epithet Neferneferuaten+epithet (sometimes transliterated as Nefernefruaten)
* Ankhkheprure Smenkhkare Djeserkheperu

Both these sets are written in two cartouches. The epithets in the former name-set are desired of Neferkheprure/Waenre (i.e. Akhenaten). The first set of names also sometimes appears in feminine form as Ankhetkheprure Neferneferuaten and sometimes the epithet for the nomen is then replaced by beneficial to her husband. The former set of names appears to be earlier and the association of these names with Akhenaten seems more substantial than is the case for the latter set. Both names are associated with Meritaten as great royal wife[7]. Both sets of names are only poorly attested. To date, no objects other than a wine jar label, six royal seals bearing the names of Ankhkheprure Smenkhkare Djeserkheperu are known and only one named depiction of Smenkhkare along with Meritaten (in the tomb of Meryre II) are known. Some objects with the names of Ankhkheprure Neferneferuaten were reused in the burial of Tutankhamun (see below) and the female variant of these names appears on faience ring bezels.

Because of the presence of the feminine Ankhetkheperure Neferneferuaten the old view that there was only one, male, individual involved who first acted as Akhenaten's co-regent under the name Ankhkheperure Neferneferuaten and, after the death of Akhenaten, succeeded him under the name Ankhkheperure Smenkhkare is now generally discarded. However, several theories have been proposed to accommodate the presence of a woman:

To some the shared prenomen, function and queen indicate that there is only one person associated with these different names and therefore they seek to identify this individual as a female member of the royal family[8]. Others, based on the feminine variety of the Neferneferuaten name on the one hand and the identification of the body in KV55 as that of Smenkhkare (see below), see evidence for two distinct individuals, one female and the other male[9][10][11]. It must be noted however that there is disagreement as to which names belong to each individual (see below).

Identity

Those who see only evidence for one, female co-regent and successor of Akhenaten identify this individual with Nefertiti, drawing attention to the fact that Akhenaten's co-regent's name Neferneferuaten is also an epithet bestowed on Nefertiti earlier on in the Amarna period. They also point out that Nefertiti disappears from view around the same time that Akhenaten's co-regent first appears. And lastly they see further evidence for Nefertiti's elevation to kingly status in the Coregency Stela and several other, unfinished stelae, such as the Pase stela (depicting two figures wearing crowns who are nevertheless identified as a king and queen by the three uniscribed cartouches) and the Berlin 25574 stela (depicting Akhenaten and Nefertiti but with an extra, fourth, cartouche added to indicate two kings rather than a king and queen), and in a scene in Meryre II's tomb in which the figures of Akhenaten and Nefertiti are virtually superimposed over each other (which is interpreted as indicating the oneness of their co-rule). In short, a clear sequence of changing names and functions is suggested: from queen Nefertiti, who later becomes queen Neferneferuaten-Nefertiti, over co-regent Ankhkheprure Neferneferuaten to successor Ankhkheprure Smenkhkare Djeserkheperu[12].

On the other hand, those who identify both a female and male co-regent/successor assume Nefertiti predeceased her husband, based on two fragmentary shabti figures inscribed for her as queen (which might however be votive offerings parralled by similar figurines of Tiye found in the tomb of Amenhotep III and ushabti figures were normally placed in a tomb prior to its owner's death[13]) . As a consequence they identify the female Ankhetkheperure as either Meritaten, who is then assumed to have succeeded her deceased husband Smenkhkare[14][15], or as Akhenaten and Nefertiti's fourth daughter Neferneferuaten Tasherit, who is then seen as Akhenaten's co-regent before the sole rule of Smenkhkare[16]. The male Smenkhkare is seen by them as an older close relative of Tutankhamun and both are usually seen as either sons or sons-in-law of Akhenaten. As was already noted above, the variously attested names are distributed differently between these two individuals: some researchers distinguish between a female Ankhetkheperure Neferneferuaten and a male Ankhkheperure Smenkhkare/Neferneferuaten[17], while others distinguish between a female Ankhetkheperure/Ankhkheperure Neferneferuaten and a male Ankhkheperure Smenkhkare[18][19].

There is also a theory that Smenkhkare was Akhenaten's male lover as well as co-regent, due to images found where a male (believed to be Smenkhkare) was depicted beside Akhenaten in a very similar manner to how Nefertiti was shown in earlier records. Some believe that the figure is meant to be Nefertiti, or one of his daughters who took the place of her mother in the religious and political hierarchy due the necessity of both roles in Atenism (after the theoretical death of Nefertiti), but the manner in which the figure is dressed is not typical of how the females in Akhenaten's family were depicted, and is in fact far more similar to Akhenaten's own garments.

Length of reign

The sole regnal date (year 1) attested for Smenkhkare comes from a jar label for wine from the house of Smenkhkare, this date might however refer either to the reign of Smenkhkare or that of Tutankhamun[20]. The highest known date for Ankhkheprure Neferneferuaten, regnal year 3, is attested in a graffiti in the Theban tomb of Pairi (TT139)[21]. It is however unclear whether this refers to a sole rule or a co-regency.

It is further noted that Manetho's kinglists includes three 18th dynasty rulers named Akenkeres (which might be identified as a Greek rendering of Ankhkheprure), one of which is identified as a king's daughter who ruled for twelve years and a month. It has been pointed out that both the repetition of names and the attested length of reign might be due to corruptions[22] .

Finally it is also possible that the sole rule of Smenkhkare coincided with the beginning of Tutankhamun's reign[23].

Politics

Virtually nothing is known about the politics of Akhenaten's co-regent/successor. It might however be noted that the TT139 graffiti mentioned above makes reference to an active Amun-priesthood, practising in the temple of Ankhkheprure Neferneferuaten (possibly this individual's mortuary temple). This could indicate a first step towards an agreement between the Atenist and traditional religions which would be further consolidated during the reign of Tutankhamun[24].

Dakhamunzu

The Hittite annals known as The Deeds of Suppiluliuma informs us how an Egyptian queen named Dakhamunzu, the widow of her recently deceased husband Niphururiya and without sons, asks the Hittite king Suppiluliama to send her one of his own sons to be her husband and king of Egypt and how, after further negotiations, a Hittite prince (Zannanza) is send to Egypt, only to be murdered en route there[25]. The synchronisation of Hittite and Egyptian chronologies is unclear, but it is certain that the recounted episode must have happened in the late 18th Dynasty of Egypt (i.e. the late Amarna period and its immediate aftermath)[26]. The correct identification of the individuals involved in this episode could therefore possibly cast light on some of the questions surrounding Akhenaten's co-regent and successor.

It is now generally assumed that Dakhamunzu is a Hittite rendering of the Egyptian title ta hemet nesu - the king's wife - rather than the name of a queen. Unfortunately the name of this queen's husband, Niphururiya, might equally be a rendering of the prenomen of either Akhenaten (Neferkheprure) or Tutankhamun (Nebkheprure)[27]. Traditionally identification with the latter is prefered and consequentially Dakhamunzu is identified with his widow Ankhesenamun (later married to her servant Ay). Studies of the chronology of the event suggest however that Akhenaten would be a more likely candidate for Nibhururiya[28][29] in which case the account in the Hittite annals can be seen as either evidence for Nefertiti's continuing importance during the late-Amarna period (in the guise of Smenkhkare) or for Meritaten's role as Akhenaten's co-regent[30]. In the former case it is assumed that Tutankhamun supplanted Nefertiti on the throne after the murder of Zannanza, in the latter case it is believed that Meritaten was afterwards forced to marry her servant Smenkhkare although the possible identification of Zannanza as Smenkhkare is also suggested[31].
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Evidence relating to the burial(s) of Akhenaten's co-regent(s) and possible successor(s) might be found in two different tombs, both located in the Valley of the Kings

As pointed out above, the reason some scholars distinguish between a male and female co-regent/successor of Akhenaten rests on the identification of the KV55 mummy as that of Smenkhkare. This identification is based on anatomical evidence indicating that the KV55 body is that of a normal male, serologically tested with tutankhamun, coming to the conclusion this mummy and tutankhamun are cosely related, either father and son or brothers. both mummies share the same rare blood type. the k.v.55 mummy has an estimated age of death around twenty to twenty five years, which is seen as being far too young for Akhenaten himself[32]. However, this identification remains problematic in view of the archaeological and inscriptional evidence in this tomb, both of which suggest the body interred in KV55 was that of Akhenaten[33][34].

Because of this the correctness of the age estimates has been repeatedly called into question[35][36][37][38]. An opinion which might find support in the latest analysis of the skeletal remains, indicating an age of death around 35 years (based on dentition) or even later (based on anthropological standards and new X-rays of the long bones)[39] [40]. it must be remembered, that it is very difficult dating a mummies age, and there are many differing opinions on the legitimacy of dating techniques. recent opinion of the mummies' identity being akhenaten is called into question. the mummy shows signs of not reaching full maturity, whereas other parts are said to have become fully mature. we may never be able to prove the age of this mummy at death, but it is probable that the ancient Egyptians who buried (and later desecrated) the body in KV55 believed this to be Akhenaten's[41].

Other than a fragmentary box bearing the names of Akhenaten, Meritaten and Ankhkheprure Neferneferuaten which was found by Howard Carter outside Tutkanhamen's tomb[42], several funerary items originally made for Neferneferuaten were found in this king's tomb. The most notable of these usurpations are the mummy bands and the canopic coffins[43]. It has also been noted that the features of the canopic stoppers and the second coffin do not resemble those of Tutkanhamen and it has been suggested that these too had originally been intended for Akhenaten's co-regent[44].

These objects indicate that this individual's original burial must have been substantial and impressive. More importantly however, it must be noted that all these items are purely traditional in nature. Further evidence for this might be seen in the TT139 graffiti mentioned above[45].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smenkhkare

[rebel 66]

Good find rebel. The concept of this mysterious, out-of-place female in red crops up in a lot of films, it seems.

Also the story of Little Red Riding Hood is an obvious possible link too.

And how can we leave out this one? :D :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR62_JuVR8M

As if that creepy little garden gnome is ever gonna get in her pants!!! :D

Yes, I also thought of Little red riding hood, Lol.

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Yes ive seen all these films strangely even the bond one a firend lent me not my type of movie , but all linked to red coat .The wicker man movie particularly links to sacrifice fertility etc , so yes a good find linked together well done . :D

It was quoted from a post of mine at The News Behind The News, just seemed to fit in here as well. In the post I mention Little Red Riding Hood as well, but the most popular figure in red has to be Satan Claus.

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Its all a bit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtCBUp8aWI4
if you ask me . Some very good stuff posted here . With Akhenaten its hard to know whats what as so much was erased about him and his rule . Is this down tothe priesthood trying t ogain control ofver the masses and the money again or due to more sinister reasons . A lot of parrallels in modern society and the controversy surrounding Obama if the online reports are to be believed .The re incarnation link is fascinating . It has been proposed that the antichrist could be a clone of jesus DNA . Given that Akhenaten and tutenkhamun link to the jesus moses story acording to different researchers and the hebrew one god seems to stem from the same source it is worth considering .
I was only putting eastenders closing theme in for a laugh but noticed a similarity here :eek::rolleyes:
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Is Obama - sorry, Akhenaton - the offspring of Sekhmet - "Lady of Pestilence"?

The article below offers some very intriguing information in that direction.

The 'bee' connection really gave me a jolt as being something true in some sense too.


Michelle Obama and the Symbolic Bee!

I really wish I had a clone (smile). Whenever I try to get some quality design work done, the estoric symbolisms just keep popping up. The buzz reaching the Alien Project today, is that First Lady Michelle Obama is going organic and plans to start beekeeping on the South Lawn, along with her new spring vegetable garden.

"Charlie Brandts, a White House carpenter for 25 years, is now the First Beekeeper. He got the ball rolling when he told some of the East Wing staff about his hobby. "I was thinking about how cool it would be to bring bees to the White House," Brandts says. Word made it to chef Sam Kass, who asked Brandts if he could make White House honey to use in Obama family recipes. On Tuesday, Brandts brought in one of his hives and put it near the garden." - U.S. News

Now, we have already examined the close resemblance of the current First Family with that of the Egyptian Pharoah Akhenaton. Today's information extends that to another level. Firstly, the bee is believed to be the sacred insect that bridged the natural world to the underworld. In Egyptian mythology, bees grew from the tears of the Sun God RA when they landed on the desert sand.

Secondly, lets examine the following biblical verse:

"And... (Samson) turned aside to see the carcase of the lion: and, behold, there was a swarm of bees and honey in the carcass of the lion." - Judges 14:8

Samson's riddle to the people of Timnath is interpreted as a dual imagery for the lion-bee-milk-honey associations with Akhenaton. The bee is a symbolic insect in Egypt and it's special manifestation is called bi-t meaning King. Since Amenhotep III (father of Akhenaton) oversaw an orgy of Sekhmet statuary creation during his reign, by reason of transference the theology of that era identified the lion with Sekhmet, the Lioness Goddess. Sehkmet was a favorite deity of the Memphit clans in Lower Egypt, including that of Amenhotep III. Therefore, by biblical inference, the bees came forth from the Lion (Sekhmet) and since Amenhotep III was so closely associated and aligned with Sekhmet, it could be argued that a number of bees (Royal Princes) had come forth from the Lion (Amenhotep III); and their names were Tuthmoses, Akhenaton. Today many see Akhenaton as a religious fanatic, while others see him as the forerunner of Christ.

continued at: http://thealienproject.blogspot.com/2009/03/michelle-obama-and-symbolic-bee.html

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Michelle Obama's Bees Didn't Swarm the Media
April 19, 2009 02:01 PM ET

By Paul Bedard, Washington Whispers

The buzz around the East Wing this week was about a bee swarm that landed on the North Lawn, leading many to fear that the hive in Michelle Obama's garden had flown the coop. But beekeeper and White House carpenter Charlie Brandts tells Whispers that the swarm most likely wasn't from the hive he installed in the first lady's South Lawn garden
. In fact, he calls his hive "just right" and not ripe to swarm. As for the ball of honeybees that landed near the news cameras by the northwest gate, Brandts caught them in a cardboard box and gave them a new home.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/04/19/michelle-obamas-bees-didnt-swarm-the-media.html


Bo, bees and Dale Haney
10/23/2009

Dale Haney has two of the most important jobs at the White House.

He’s the presidential horticulturist and grounds superintendent, but he also looks after First Dog Bo when the Obama family isn’t around.

Haney, who has worked for eight presidents, told NBC’s “Today” show this week that bees in the White House gardens are turning out honey – about 100 gallons so far. Haney said he can’t recall a time when there was another honey harvesting there.

Asked if Bo has wandered into the gardens yet, Haney (seen above on a stroll with Bo) said no.

“He hasn't been in the gardens much yet,” he said. “I don't know if he just hasn't discovered them.”

http://www.obama-dog.com/blog/2009/10/bo-bees-and-dale-haney.html

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The Great Sphinx of Giza reborn as a lion in the desert
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 1:33 AM on 09th December 2008

The Sphinx in Egypt might have originally had the face of a lion, it is claimed.

And it could be much older than previously thought, investigations led by a British geologist suggest.

Egyptologists have long argued the monument outside Cairo, which has the head of a pharaoh and the body of a lion, was built soon after the first pyramid - around 4,500 years ago.

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Uncovering the secret face: This digital recreation shows the Sphinx with the face of a lion

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The Great Sphinx's paws and head are out of proportion, suggesting there may have been an even larger, earlier statue which was adapted

But geologist Colin Reader found that rain erosion on the Sphinx's enclosure suggests it was built many years before.

A sunken palace on the Giza plateau provides further evidence that there was activity in the area before the building of the pyramids, Mr Reader said.

Its style implies that it is older than the other tombs at the site. Mr Reader said the tomb would have been adapted and embellished by later inhabitants of the area.

Visual effects experts used the research data to recreate the monument as it might have looked.

Their work can be seen in Channel Five documentary The Secrets of Egypt on Thursday at 8pm.

Researchers also discovered that the Sphinx’s body and head were disproportionate, suggesting it was not originally a pharaoh.

Historical architect Dr Jonathan Foyle, who worked with Mr Reader on the project, said the head and body were massively out of proportion.

He said the reason for this could be that the Sphinx originally had an entirely different head - that of a lion.

According to this theory, the statue was later re-carved to be modelled on Khufu.

To early Egyptians the lion was a much more potent symbol of power than the human face.

Given that the monument already has the body of a lion it makes sense to the experts that it also originally had the face of a lion.

During Egypt’s early history lions inhabited the wilds of Giza and surrounding areas.

The Great Sphinx is thought by most Egyptologists to represent the likeness of King Khafra.

It is also belived by others that Djadefre, the elder brother of Khafra, built the Sphinx to honour his father Khufu.

This would place the time of construction somewhere between 2550 BC and 2450 BC.

However the limited evidence linking the Sphinx to Khafra is circumstantial and somewhat ambiguous.

Geologist Robert Schoch concluded that the Sphinx must be much older than currently believed after an investigation in the 1990s.

Schoch has argued that the particular weathering found on the body of the Sphinx and surrounding 'ditch' the monument was carved from, displays features that can only be caused from prolonged water erosion.

Egypt’s last time period where there was a significant amount of rainfall ended during the late 4th to early 3rd millennium BC.

Schoch claims the amount of water erosion the Sphinx has experienced indicates a construction date no later than the 6th millennium BC or 5th millennium BC, at least two thousand years before the widely accepted construction date and 1,500 years prior to the accepted date for the beginning of Egyptian civilisation.

Mr Reader concludes that the Sphinx is only several hundred years older than the traditionally accepted date believing the Sphinx to be a product of the Early Dynastic period.

Independently, geologist David Coxill has also come forward to confirm in principle Schoch’s findings, but like Reader has taken a more conservative approach to the dating of the Sphinx.

Both Schoch and Reader base their conclusions not only on the Sphinx and surrounding enclosure, but have also taken into account other weathering features found on the Giza plateau from monuments such as the Sphinx Temple which are known to be consistent with the time period the Sphinx was constructed.

Because these conclusions require a re-dating of the Sphinx to an earlier time before the construction of large monuments, this theory has not been accepted by mainstream Egyptologists.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1092827/The-Great-Sphinx-Giza-reborn-lion-desert.html


Note the absence of a mane in the digital recreation of the sphinx at the top of the article, i.e. it's the face of a lionness.

Since there's rumoured to be a "Hall of Records" beneath the Sphinx, it's also interesting to recall that one of Sekhmet's alternative names is: Lady of the House of Books.

[zero1]

This is one of the best threads I've ever seen on here. Congrats to SOL.

[size_of_light]

Haha, thanks zero.

I'd also like to thank my cut-and-paste function for doing the bulk of the heavy lifting on this thread. ;) :p

I hadn't heard of her until a few weeks ago when I googled 'animal headed gods' on a whim in relation to the Gable Film thread, and her visage really caught hold of me. Since then, I haven't been able to get this thought or idea of 'pay attention to Sekhmet' out of my mind, like a fly walking around on the inside back wall of my skull.

Rightly or wrongly, something tells me she's very relevant to now, particularly in relation to Obama and the Swine Flu scam, and the fact that her priests were highly powerful and accomplished physicians and magicians of their time.

[limelady]

BTW - maybe you've seen her recently and didn't quite realise it ;) :eek: :p

hmm, she was awfully furry.....doh!

Maybe millions of us have seen Sekhmet recently and just didn't recognise her in her present spiritual form.....the form millions of people are now worshipping her in?

http://bluenwhite.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/lady-gaga-blood.jpg

Lady Gaga wanted to walk down the red carpet with a lion at the MTV Video Music Awards (VMAs) last night (13.09.09).

The eccentric pop star demanded a bizarre array of items for her performance at the ceremony - including the dangerous big cat - in an attempt to "upstage" every other pop star attending.


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/showbiz/2009-09/15/content_8693340.htm

She certainly has a thing for lions, and "monsters" seem to crop up a lot in association with her name and image....

Lady Gaga is pictured doing her Lion of The Senate tribute to the late Ted Kennedy with Beyonce, The Obama's #1 American performer of Presidential choice]

Two things for Lady Gaga fans today. Stefani Germanotta has announced the track listing names for her second album, Fame Monster and also the tour dates, cities and venues of Lady Gaga’s The Monster’s Ball Tour. She be rockin it fierce from the USA today. She’s working hard either side of Christmas.

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/35395421/Lady+GaGa+VMA+09.jpg


http://horiwood.com/2009/10/15/lady-gaga-announces-new-tour-dates-album-tracks-november-2009/

The Bloodlust of Sekhmet .....The lady G sure LOVES blood, depictions of violence, and the colour red! Sound a lot like the embodiment of our ancient vengeful goddess doesn't it?

http://coverawards.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ah-yes-lady-gaga-s-all-over-lace-creation-say-no-more_0.jpg
http://coverawards.com/2009/09/13/lady-gaga-cant-see-with-red-lace/


For more information on the goddess symbolism and other occult symbolism associated with Lady Ga ga, check out this forum thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50648&page=53), particularly the last 5-10 pages and the contributions from darketernal and others. I think you will see how we can tie these two threads together in a fairly significant way.....not to mention the 'other' thread SOL spent considerable time researching.....the the fury, shape-shifting thread. ;)

Great research once again size.....I am loving this thread!

[2013]

It does seem they are trying to recreate the ahkenaten dynasty in the white house now .Linking in the one God Aten to ancient Hebrew origins of monotheism we can see links to Israel at work maybe ? Barak obama being a Leo astrologically as well Leo ruled by the sun .Fascinating stuff .
:D
http://www.amazon.com/Akhunaton-Extraterrestrial-King-Dave-Stewart/dp/188331934X
one of many ahkenaten books i have read , extraterrestrial take on him .

[metacomet]

Maybe millions of us have seen Sekhmet recently and just didn't recognise her in her present spiritual form.....the form millions of people are now worshipping her in?

http://bluenwhite.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/lady-gaga-blood.jpg

Lady Gaga wanted to walk down the red carpet with a lion at the MTV Video Music Awards (VMAs) last night (13.09.09).

The eccentric pop star demanded a bizarre array of items for her performance at the ceremony - including the dangerous big cat - in an attempt to "upstage" every other pop star attending.


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/showbiz/2009-09/15/content_8693340.htm

She certainly has a thing for lions, and "monsters" seem to crop up a lot in association with her name and image....

Lady Gaga is pictured doing her Lion of The Senate tribute to the late Ted Kennedy with Beyonce, The Obama's #1 American performer of Presidential choice]

Two things for Lady Gaga fans today. Stefani Germanotta has announced the track listing names for her second album, Fame Monster and also the tour dates, cities and venues of Lady Gaga’s The Monster’s Ball Tour. She be rockin it fierce from the USA today. She’s working hard either side of Christmas.

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/35395421/Lady+GaGa+VMA+09.jpg


http://horiwood.com/2009/10/15/lady-gaga-announces-new-tour-dates-album-tracks-november-2009/

The Bloodlust of Sekhmet .....The lady G sure LOVES blood, depictions of violence, and the colour red! Sound a lot like the embodiment of our ancient vengeful goddes doesn't it?

http://coverawards.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ah-yes-lady-gaga-s-all-over-lace-creation-say-no-more_0.jpg
http://coverawards.com/2009/09/13/lady-gaga-cant-see-with-red-lace/


For more information on the Goddess symbolism and other occult symbolism associated with Lady Ga ga, check out this forum thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50648&page=53), particularly the last 5-10 pages and the contributions from darketernal and others. I think you will see how we can tie these two threads together in a fairly significant way.....not to mention the 'other' thread SOL spent considerable time researching.....the the fury, shape-shifting thread. ;)

Great research once again size.....I am loving this thread!

Yikes...

scary correlations.

[limelady]

Yes, metacomet, scary alright!

I don't want to Gagarise SOL's thread too much more, but I just wanted to add a little more to this which highlights another correlation, this time between Lady Gaga and the Gable Dogman film, which I'm sure SOL will pick up on immediately. It is that Lady Gaga has been rumoured to be a hermaphrodite, which (if true?) means she has both male and female sexual organs - i.e. a shemale.

See the final segment of this youtube video where Gaga is forced to dismount the motor scooter from the other side due to her requiring to make an adjustment to garment in the crotch area.....if you stop the footage in just the right place (1.15), you see a little something 'extra' where you wouldn't expect to see something like that on a female. Now whether she did this for effect (knowing her anything is possible) or whether it is something else we are seeing here, I find it very interesting that Lady Gaga has a definite androgynous quality about her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i23qGLw3H_Y

Then of course there was that big moment when LGG made a media exit wearing little but that shaggy fur....
http://media.hollyscoop.com/Images/PGImages/34348456---lady_gaga.jpg

and that controversial piece of footage from her Bad Romance video clip where she was said to be wearing a polar bear skin coat which she burnt.....which apparently was only faux fur. See article and pic HERE (http://nymag.com/daily/fashion/2009/11/lady_gaga_did_not_set_fire_to.html?utm_source=feed burner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nymag%2Ffashion+%28The+Cut+-+nymag.com%27s+Fashion+Blog+-+New+York+Magazine%29)

Anyway, I'm sure if I kept digging I'd find more Gaga correlations to tie in with size's dogman and Sekhmet threads, but I'll leave it here for now as I don't want size to freak when he see's what I've already done to his thread! :p

[rebel 66]

The Great Sphinx of Giza reborn as a lion in the desert
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 1:33 AM on 09th December 2008

The Sphinx in Egypt might have originally had the face of a lion, it is claimed.

And it could be much older than previously thought, investigations led by a British geologist suggest.

Egyptologists have long argued the monument outside Cairo, which has the head of a pharaoh and the body of a lion, was built soon after the first pyramid - around 4,500 years ago.

http://i45.tinypic.com/3481u36.jpg
Uncovering the secret face: This digital recreation shows the Sphinx with the face of a lion

http://i48.tinypic.com/4kzgy8.jpg
The Great Sphinx's paws and head are out of proportion, suggesting there may have been an even larger, earlier statue which was adapted

But geologist Colin Reader found that rain erosion on the Sphinx's enclosure suggests it was built many years before.

A sunken palace on the Giza plateau provides further evidence that there was activity in the area before the building of the pyramids, Mr Reader said.

Its style implies that it is older than the other tombs at the site. Mr Reader said the tomb would have been adapted and embellished by later inhabitants of the area.

Visual effects experts used the research data to recreate the monument as it might have looked.

Their work can be seen in Channel Five documentary The Secrets of Egypt on Thursday at 8pm.

Researchers also discovered that the Sphinx’s body and head were disproportionate, suggesting it was not originally a pharaoh.

Historical architect Dr Jonathan Foyle, who worked with Mr Reader on the project, said the head and body were massively out of proportion.

He said the reason for this could be that the Sphinx originally had an entirely different head - that of a lion.

According to this theory, the statue was later re-carved to be modelled on Khufu.

To early Egyptians the lion was a much more potent symbol of power than the human face.

Given that the monument already has the body of a lion it makes sense to the experts that it also originally had the face of a lion.

During Egypt’s early history lions inhabited the wilds of Giza and surrounding areas.

The Great Sphinx is thought by most Egyptologists to represent the likeness of King Khafra.

It is also belived by others that Djadefre, the elder brother of Khafra, built the Sphinx to honour his father Khufu.

This would place the time of construction somewhere between 2550 BC and 2450 BC.

However the limited evidence linking the Sphinx to Khafra is circumstantial and somewhat ambiguous.

Geologist Robert Schoch concluded that the Sphinx must be much older than currently believed after an investigation in the 1990s.

Schoch has argued that the particular weathering found on the body of the Sphinx and surrounding 'ditch' the monument was carved from, displays features that can only be caused from prolonged water erosion.

Egypt’s last time period where there was a significant amount of rainfall ended during the late 4th to early 3rd millennium BC.

Schoch claims the amount of water erosion the Sphinx has experienced indicates a construction date no later than the 6th millennium BC or 5th millennium BC, at least two thousand years before the widely accepted construction date and 1,500 years prior to the accepted date for the beginning of Egyptian civilisation.

Mr Reader concludes that the Sphinx is only several hundred years older than the traditionally accepted date believing the Sphinx to be a product of the Early Dynastic period.

Independently, geologist David Coxill has also come forward to confirm in principle Schoch’s findings, but like Reader has taken a more conservative approach to the dating of the Sphinx.

Both Schoch and Reader base their conclusions not only on the Sphinx and surrounding enclosure, but have also taken into account other weathering features found on the Giza plateau from monuments such as the Sphinx Temple which are known to be consistent with the time period the Sphinx was constructed.

Because these conclusions require a re-dating of the Sphinx to an earlier time before the construction of large monuments, this theory has not been accepted by mainstream Egyptologists.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1092827/The-Great-Sphinx-Giza-reborn-lion-desert.html


Note the absence of a mane in the digital recreation of the sphinx at the top of the article, i.e. it's the face of a lionness.

Since there's rumoured to be a "Hall of Records" beneath the Sphinx, it's also interesting to recall that one of Sekhmet's alternative names is: Lady of the House of Books.

I find it interesting that the gt pyramids seem to mirror the sky, The sphinx is Leo. The pyramids are Orion. They are in exactly the right placing for a spot on match in 10,500BC, along with the sphinx directly facing Leo.

My thoughts are either they were brilliant astronomers who had kept detailed records over 1,000s of years or it may be possible they were built much earlier.

[size_of_light]

Anyway, I'm sure if I kept digging I'd find more Gaga correlations to tie in with size's dogman and Sekhmet threads, but I'll leave it here for now as I don't want size to freak when he see's what I've already done to his thread! :p

The Gaga-rization is fine, LL :D

I've been looking at the Lady G thread and along with the all the pertinent info you've put together above, I'd say she's right at home here.

Nice work, and keep it up.

[size_of_light]

Speaking of Lady Gaga, if she is what LL is suggesting she might be, then like Obama, where the last syllable of each of his three names spells out "Ak-ein-ama - phonetically very similar to Akhenaton - maybe Gaga's name also has clues woven into it.

Lady Gaga aka Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta.

Just going with "Stefani Germanotta" to make it as hard as possible, and remembering that the sound of the word is more important than it's actual spelling (mainly because that's how to hide something while preserving the importance of the sound vibration), reflect on how easily this is extracted from her name):

http://i46.tinypic.com/2hyj728.jpg

For anyone who thinks Sekhmet should be pronounced more like "Sak-met" than "Sek-met", it's a simple matter of substituting the 'e' with the 'a' in "Stefani" to get the right sound.

OK. So that's kinda interesting.

It becomes a little more interesting when you then look at what letters are left behind in the surname, and then read in reverse:

http://i45.tinypic.com/24ot7ya.jpg

The cult of Aton anyone?

http://i50.tinypic.com/eqruog.jpg

"Re", another name for Ra, with Sekhmet having been created 'by the fire of Re's eye'.

Also:

http://i46.tinypic.com/4jbr7.jpg

The cult of Amen, which preceded the cult of Aton, and ended with the death of Amenhotep III, Sekhmet's greatest worshipper.

Although Lady Gaga's real name in full is Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta, from what I've seen it seems to get regularly condensed down to just Stefani Angelina Germanotta.

With that in mind, in what period did all these events transpire in back in Ancient Egyptian times?

http://i48.tinypic.com/30vj6kh.jpg

The Armana Period.

- Sekhmet
- Aton
- Re
- Amen
- Armana

Note that pulling these names from Lady Gaga's name doesn't require any kind of convoluted or dubious literary gymnastics or anagram generation at all: forwards of backwards, the names appear in sequence and emerge easily from her name.

I find it especially interesting that it's only by extracting 'Segmat' that 'Aton' and 'Re' can then be found.

If Gaga really is a mind-controlled Illuminati puppet, marked from birth to perform a particular role, then given the enormous amount of effort that must have gone (and continues to go) into shaping and controlling her life over 23 years, the idea that a few key, hidden names like these would have also (and easily) been weaved into her name at birth makes perfect sense (at least to me).

Worth considering, anyway.

[merlincove]

Maybe millions of us have seen Sekhmet recently and just didn't recognise her in her present spiritual form.....the form millions of people are now worshipping her in?

http://bluenwhite.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/lady-gaga-blood.jpg

Lady Gaga wanted to walk down the red carpet with a lion at the MTV Video Music Awards (VMAs) last night (13.09.09).

The eccentric pop star demanded a bizarre array of items for her performance at the ceremony - including the dangerous big cat - in an attempt to "upstage" every other pop star attending.


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/showbiz/2009-09/15/content_8693340.htm

She certainly has a thing for lions, and "monsters" seem to crop up a lot in association with her name and image....

Lady Gaga is pictured doing her Lion of The Senate tribute to the late Ted Kennedy with Beyonce, The Obama's #1 American performer of Presidential choice]

Two things for Lady Gaga fans today. Stefani Germanotta has announced the track listing names for her second album, Fame Monster and also the tour dates, cities and venues of Lady Gaga’s The Monster’s Ball Tour. She be rockin it fierce from the USA today. She’s working hard either side of Christmas.

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/35395421/Lady+GaGa+VMA+09.jpg


http://horiwood.com/2009/10/15/lady-gaga-announces-new-tour-dates-album-tracks-november-2009/

The Bloodlust of Sekhmet .....The lady G sure LOVES blood, depictions of violence, and the colour red! Sound a lot like the embodiment of our ancient vengeful goddess doesn't it?

http://coverawards.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ah-yes-lady-gaga-s-all-over-lace-creation-say-no-more_0.jpg
http://coverawards.com/2009/09/13/lady-gaga-cant-see-with-red-lace/


For more information on the goddess symbolism and other occult symbolism associated with Lady Ga ga, check out this forum thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50648&page=53), particularly the last 5-10 pages and the contributions from darketernal and others. I think you will see how we can tie these two threads together in a fairly significant way.....not to mention the 'other' thread SOL spent considerable time researching.....the the fury, shape-shifting thread. ;)

Great research once again size.....I am loving this thread!

Sekhmet in full swing, the original warrior goddess.

She is depicted as a lioness, the fiercest hunter known to the Egyptians. It was said that her breath created the desert.

Sekhmet absorbing all the energy given to her in ritualistic offerings, fuck that.

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv35/merlincove/Sekhmet-7.jpg http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv35/merlincove/ladygaga_1.jpg

4660

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv35/merlincove/untitled-2.jpg

Gaga eating peace? warrior goddess realised, incarnate and whole!

[size_of_light]

Great associations there, MC.

Gaga is also glimpsed wearing the serpent's head ornament on her own head (like Sekhmet) in the Bad Romance clip, if I'm not mistaken?

[merlincove]

Great associations there, MC.

Gaga is also glimpsed wearing the serpent's head ornament on her own head (like Sekhmet) in the Bad Romance clip, if I'm not mistaken?

You are rarely mistaken SoL :D

a great thread, here, took me a while to get around to it :rolleyes:

[size_of_light]

You are rarely mistaken SoL :D

a great thread, here, took me a while to get around to it :rolleyes:

It's a sobering thought to apply the story of the OP to where we are right now...

When mankind began to challenge the gods, Sekhmet was unleashed on humanity.

Are we in the first rounds of the re-match with "The Lady of Pestilence" right now?

Bring it on, bitch!!!!!! ;) :p

[limelady]

Great associations there, MC.

Gaga is also glimpsed wearing the serpent's head ornament on her own head (like Sekhmet) in the Bad Romance clip, if I'm not mistaken?

Speaking of Bad Romance and our ferocious cat goddess Sekhmet, what exactly is this demonic looking creature with its head pressed against hers between scenes at precisely 3.02 on the video? :eek:

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2502/badromance.gif (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/badromance.gif/)

Is it another shot of this cat seen earlier in the clip?

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4949/catromance.gif (http://img513.imageshack.us/i/catromance.gif/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACm9yECwSso

[merlincove]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACm9yECwSso

She always seems to be dancing at the head of a pyramidal structure (of people) also in the vids, although a lot of 'artists' have been doing that for a while now - but the coreography aside, Gaga chants 'Rah, Rah, oh ah, haa....'
and i don't think this is her only song where she chants Rah.

Bringing the high god Rah into the equation, did Sekhmet have any relations with Rah?

I know that she is often symbolised covering one eye: but here she may be showing metaphorical scars representative of an eye loss

4658

horus, the son of Rah, had his eye torn out by Seth, his brother in Egyptian mythology, so we see Sekhmet, chanting Rah and also showing / bearing symbology to Upper Egyptian mythology.

4659

There is more going on here than is imediately clear.

[limelady]

Bringing the high god Rah into the equation, did Sekhmet have any relations with Rah?



Oh yes, they knew each other intimately Ra and Sekhmet....in fact Ra was very fond of her....he called upon her 'unique' services to punish Apophis and his people for going against his rule. But our loving goddess got a bit out of control and went a bit too far with her slaughtering. Ra had to give her a potion to calm down her blood lust.....she was out of control and was creating a blood bath and killing humans.

Read about it HERE (http://www.legends.egyptholiday.com/sekhmet_hathor.htm)

[2013]

It's a sobering thought to apply the story of the OP to where we are right now...

When mankind began to challenge the gods, Sekhmet was unleashed on humanity.

Are we in the first rounds of the re-match with "The Lady of Pestilence" right now?

Bring it on, bitch!!!!!! ;) :p

Made me think of the statue of Shiva the destroyer outside Cern headquarters .Headquarters ? four sections directions .
Relating tothe earlier post on lady gaga's name and barak s containing aten segmet etc .The astrologer Linda Goodman said in her work that anagrams or letters taken fro mpeoples name to make up words gave insight into their characters . I will check with a friend who has her books exactly what was meant by this ,although Tony Blair's name contains No Liar :rolleyes: so Im not so sure about it all .
Massive Deja Vu typing this !!:D

[strt]

Oh yes, they knew each other intimately Ra and Sekhmet....in fact Ra was very fond of her....he called upon her 'unique' services to punish Apophis and his people for going against his rule. But our loving goddess got a bit out of control and went a bit too far with her slaughtering. Ra had to give her a potion to calm down her blood lust.....she was out of control and was creating a blood bath and killing humans.

Read about it HERE (http://www.legends.egyptholiday.com/sekhmet_hathor.htm)

According to the story she hid by day and killed by night. Not very god-like?

[limelady]

According to the story she hid by day and killed by night. Not very god-like?

No, but very demon-like ;)

[2013]

Anything about sekhmet and eggs ? i know its a classic symbol but Lady Gaga spoke about emerging from an egg in her Monster tour .
http://web.orange.co.uk/p/web_musicstore/thisweek_jason_derulo
'I'll be emerging from her womb'US chart-topper Jason Derulo reveals plans for upcoming Lady GaGa tour
Hear Jason's single

Tell us about your upcoming tour...
Jason DeRulo: I'll be supporting Lady GaGa on the Fame Monster tour. She's been talking about how she's been emerging from an egg. Well I'll be emerging from her womb (Laughs). Nah, I'm so excited about this tour, it's important to surround yourself with people that are great and I think she's going to force me to step my game up.

:D

[2013]

found this on a google search
http://www.thissideofsanity.com/story/stories.html



The ancient Egyptians had hundreds of creation stories, in part because each of the major regional deities had their own creation myths before Egypt became the world’s first nation, but also because the ancient Egyptians recognized that their creation myths were metaphors for basic truths and they had plenty of room for additional creation truth.

One of the major ancient Egyptian creation myths was about the Cosmic Orgasm.

Originally there was the Chaos of Nun, a nether void without orgnaization or theme.

In the Chaos of Nun, the Cosmic Egg came into existence. The Cosmic Egg was the safe place for the combined deity Sekhmet-Bast. Among their many roles, the Goddesses Sekhmet and Bast represented the dichotomy of creation (Bast) and destruction (Sekhmet).

After untold time the combined Goddess Sekhmet-Bast became lonely, so She split into two Goddesses, Sekhmet and Bast.

The two Goddesses showered each other with love, engaging in lesbian sex in the Cosmic Egg.

Their love was so great that they caused the Cosmic Egg to grow so large that the Cosmic Lotus had to come into existence just to support the weight.

As the intensity of their lesbian sex grew, so did the Cosmic Egg and the Cosmic Lotus, emerging from the Chaos of Nun.

In a blinding burst of light (Ra), Cosmic Orgasm burst open the Cosmic Egg, parting the Chaos of Nun and creating the universe.


Makes you wonder why Nuns are so called and remain supposedly celibate :D

[strangeinlostworld]

found this on a google search
http://www.thissideofsanity.com/story/stories.html

Makes you wonder why Nuns are so called and remain supposedly celibate :D

Aint had nun, aint got nun, don't want nun. :D

Edited:
Looked at the link, very interesting~ I see what you mean!

[limelady]

Anything about sekhmet and eggs ? i know its a classic symbol but Lady Gaga spoke about emerging from an egg in her Monster tour .
http://web.orange.co.uk/p/web_musicstore/thisweek_jason_derulo
'I'll be emerging from her womb'US chart-topper Jason Derulo reveals plans for upcoming Lady GaGa tour
Hear Jason's single

Tell us about your upcoming tour...


:D

You're on it 2013!.....thats a resounding yes!

In the Chaos of Nun, the Cosmic Egg came into existence. The Cosmic Egg was the safe place for the combined deity Sekhmet-Bast. Among their many roles, the Goddesses Sekhmet and Bast represented the dichotomy of creation (Bast) and destruction (Sekhmet).

http://www.thissideofsanity.com/story/stories.html


Well done! :D

This plot just keeps getting deeper and deeper doesn't it?....and Gaga is in it up to her scrawny neck!


EDIT: Oh, I see you've posted again, so beat me too it. Double well done!

[strt]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastet_(mythology)
In Egyptian mythology, Bast (also spelled Ubasti, Baset[1], and later Bastet) is an ancient solar and war goddess, worshipped at least since the Second Dynasty. In the late dynasties, the priests of Amun began to call her Bastet, a repetitive and diminutive form after her role in the pantheon became diminished as Sekhmet, a similar lioness war deity, became more dominant in the unified culture of Lower and Upper Egypt.

Bast had lion had too? :eek:

[2013]

Aint had nun, aint got nun, don't want nun. :D

Edited:
Looked at the link, very interesting~ I see what you mean!

And from the color of your avatar you've been on the blue nun ! :D

[2013]

You're on it 2013!.....thats a resounding yes!



http://www.thissideofsanity.com/story/stories.html


Well done! :D

This plot just keeps getting deeper and deeper doesn't it?....and Gaga is in it up to her scrawny neck!


EDIT: Oh, I see you've posted again, so beat me too it. Double well done!

Must be the moon ! this site has a lot about sehkmet havent read it all yet worth a look maybe .Watch out for 7 eyes symbolism ? dont know where they get this material from exactly .:D
http://josephalmighty.multiply.com/journal/item/823
"The All Seeing Eye Of Ra"



"Almighty God (Ra & Sekhmet) is the almighty, perfect and completely true God!:eek: He not only holds the seven stars, leads the seven spirits, has seven eyes (which is perfect vision), opens the seven seals, opens the scrolls; he even controls the seven plagues and the seven bowls. He unleashes the seven thunders, and he has already started to sound the seven trumpets! All that he has created and all that he has perfected are to praise him, give him glory, and exalt his throne. O Almighty God! Within you are all things. You perfect all things; in you are complete perfection, perfect light, perfect release, perfect freedom, perfect strength and power! In you nothing is concealed and covered up; in you all mysteries are completely revealed. Moreover, you have judged all your enemies. You have revealed your majesty; you have revealed your consuming fire; you have revealed your wrath; and you have even revealed your unprecedented, infinite glory that extends from eternity to eternity! All people must wake up, and acclaim and sing will all their hearts, and extol this almighty, all-true, all-living, perfect God, whose glory extends from eternity to eternity."

"Almighty God, the God with seven eyes! You are the penetrating light from which nothing is hidden, and which fully manifests all, and fully exposes all. Before him, everything is absolutely as clear as crystal. Not only is he like this, but all his sons (and daughters) are too. There is no person, thing or circumstance that is hidden from the view of either him or his sons!" says Almighty God, Christ of the endtimes, the WORD became flesh again...

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Barack Obama "Opens" For Lady Gaga At D.C. Banquet

Lady Gaga performed at the Human Rights Campaign's 13th Annual National Dinner Saturday night, Oct. 10.

The singer performed for the gay rights group after an address by President Barack Obama.

Before making his speech, President Obama joked to the crowd "It's a privilege to open tonight for Lady Gaga. I've made it." Lady Gaga acknowledged Obama's acknowledgment and stood up to applause.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/11/lady-gaga-at-hrc-dinner-p_n_316572.html




Lady Gaga - Message to the President
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHjezAn1oSI
What's up with the hand gestures at the end? Is she mimicking a cat?

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The Great Pyramid Texts
By Clesson H. Harvey

On the desert plateau of Saqqara 10 miles Southeast of the Great Pyramid, a special set of five very similar pyramids has stood for some forty-two centuries. They are filled with over four thousand columns of hieroglyphs, cut into their solid rock walls.

But why do these 'Pyramid Texts' suddenly appear -- and for the most part in just the 5th Dynasty pyramid of King Un-is and the 6th Dynasty pyramids of Teti, Pepi I, Mer-en-r'a and Pepi II?

I think that what follows may provide an explanation, because Egyptologists simply do not know. And who is this strange King Un-is anyway, whose very name means that he is "Like one whose Spiritual Eye is opened?" All five of these Kings believed that this "Eye of the Soul" was real and accessible. In fact (unlike Egyptologists today), they apparently assumed that this "Udjat Eye of Heru" was the foundation of their whole Hieroglyphic language and as such, it provided an indispensable context for understanding all Pyramid Texts.

It is comparatively easy to show that the writings in all five pyramids are clearly distributed in four matching instruction locations corresponding to the Great Pyramid Entrance Passage, Queen's Chamber, Grand Gallery and King's Chamber. The five Kings evidently wanted to have a kind of stenographic record of the words which must have been said countless times in each Great Pyramid location while facing in different directions.

Egyptologists are fond of saying that the Great Pyramid is mute, with no Hieroglyphs cut into its walls. But this is really not quite true. Every upper passage, chamber, gallery and shaft inside the Great Pyramid of Giza is an incredibly old, unmistakable, megalithic Hieroglyph for the words seba and rut for "Ensouling Star door" and "Tunnel Opening gate." They are unmistakably reproduced in the Pyramid Texts of Saqqara. Egyptologists should have told the world about these architectural hieroglyphs long ago. It might have removed much needless speculation about the Great Pyramid.

Egyptologists are also fond of imagining that they have already translated the Pyramid Texts, but this is not even remotely true. Already in the first third of the twentieth century, the great German scholar Kurt Sethe was deciding to dismiss the first 212 Utterances of the Pyramid Texts ostensibly because they were supposed to be just "largely ritual formulae." These mostly non-ritual texts covered more than the North walls of the Saqqara King's Chambers -- with the "Eye of Heru" being written out 80 times, where it had survived. In 1969, R. O. Faulkner published the last attempt to translate the Pyramid Texts. But Egyptologists still believe that these North wall writings of the Saqqara King's Chambers are just "offering rituals."

They are wrong on both counts. These texts are neither "offerings" nor largely "rituals." The "offering" idea hangs precariously on the supposed meaning of the imperative phrase Me-en-ek as "Take-to-yourself (the Eye of Heru)," when it could just as well mean an archaic "See for yourself (the Eye of Heru)" in which case there would be no offerings in the mostly non-ritual writings on the wall. The few ritual writings which are actually there are divided off to themselves by 390 separation lines, unmistakably sculpted in the solid rock. But Egyptologists have chosen to ignore them and have tarred all of these texts with the same ritual brush.

On the South walls of the Saqqara King's Chambers, Egyptologists think they see "resurrection ritual." But these texts are strictly non-ritual and do not contain any ritual separation lines. The word sedjeb for "restore (to life)" is a causative verb se-djeb (a) for "make clothed (with a body)" which any Hindu Sanskrit scholar would recognize as the verb "reincarnate."

We do not have to guess about the significance of these texts. They are self-explanatory. For example Utterance 302, out of a total of 700, begins (on the North wall in the Queen's Chamber) with the expression Djed medu for "Said (in the Queen's Chamber facing North) were the words:" --- "whenever the Sharp-pointed Star gleams (two palm-widths before the brow), it is because the Two Sets of Nine Spinal gods have purified in the Ursa Major Polestar, that Star which knows not sweeping. --- " But the Great Pyramid speaker is describing the Northern sky as it looked 26,000 years ago!

Egyptologists see only "protective spells" on the West wall of the Saqqara King's Chamber. But the verb to protect is nowhere to be found. Worse still, there are no actual spells. Some important details about seeing with the Eye can only be found on this wall. But these details have been lost to the world, because Egyptologists have not been able to conceive of the non-ritual Eye of Heru. All that they know about now is the ritual Eye as a ceremonial offering. The lost knowledge of the Star Opening of the Eye at two palm-widths is still accessible to the entire world on this West wall.

Not knowing about the non-ritual Eye of Heru has helped to blind Egyptologists to the unexpected presence of Calculus and Nuclear Chemistry within it, which we have only acquired in the last 333 years.

continued at: http://www.grahamhancock.com/forum/HarveyCH1-p1.htm
Author Clesson Harvey's website: http://pyramidtexts.com/

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Barack Obama "Opens" For Lady Gaga At D.C. Banquet

Lady Gaga performed at the Human Rights Campaign's 13th Annual National Dinner Saturday night, Oct. 10.

The singer performed for the gay rights group after an address by President Barack Obama.

Before making his speech, President Obama joked to the crowd "It's a privilege to open tonight for Lady Gaga. I've made it." Lady Gaga acknowledged Obama's acknowledgment and stood up to applause.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/11/lady-gaga-at-hrc-dinner-p_n_316572.html




Lady Gaga - Message to the President
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHjezAn1oSI
What's up with the hand gestures at the end? Is she mimicking a cat?

Definately looks like a cat gesture throughout and especially at the end ,good find :D

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Definately looks like a cat gesture throughout and especially at the end ,good find :D

It's a bit odd, isn't it?

Why edit that last bit into a video for the President?

What's it meant to mean to him?

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http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/436018/lady-gaga-wins-best-new-artist.jhtml#id=1620604
Lady GaGa Wins Best New Artist
Lady GaGa looks like a true red queen as she accepts the award for Best New Artist -- her first Moonman! (2009 MTV Video Music Awards)

Red Queen , form Alice in Wonderland classic mind control symbolism .
long article but worth reading .
http://www.indiana.edu/~curtweb/Research/Red_Queen%20hyp.html
Red Queen Hypothesis.--The "Red Queen" hypothesis is used to describe two similar ideas, which are both based on coevolution. The original idea is that coevolution could lead to situations for which the probability of extinction is relatively constant over millions of years (Van Valen 1973). The gist of the idea is that, in tightly coevolved interactions, evolutionary change by one species (e.g., a prey or host) could lead to extinction of other species (e.g. a predator or parasite), and that the probability of such changes might be reasonably independent of species age. Van Valen named the idea "the Red Queen hypothesis," because, under this view, species had to "run" (evolve) in order to stay in the same place (extant).
The other idea is that coevolution, particularly between hosts and parasites, could lead to sustained oscillations in genotype frequencies .
The phrase "Red Queen hypothesis" comes from Chapter 2 in Through the Looking Glass (Carroll 1872). In Alice's dream about the looking glass house, she first finds that things appear left-to-right, as if shown in a mirror. She then finds that chess pieces are alive. She will later encounter several of these pieces (most notably the Red Queen), after she leaves the looking glass house to see the garden.

Alice decides that it would be easier to see the garden if she first climbs the hill, to which there appears to be a very straight path. However, as she follows the path, she finds that it leads her back to the house. When she tries to speed up, she not only returns to the house, she crashes into it. Hence, forward movement takes Alice back to her starting point (Red Queen dynamics), and rapid movement causes abrupt stops (extinction).

Eventually, Alice finds herself in a patch of very vocal and opinionated flowers; the rose is especially vocal. The flowers tell Alice that someone like her (the Red Queen) often passes through, and Alice decides to seek this person, mostly as a way to escape more verbal abuse. When Alice spots the Red Queen, she begins moving toward her. But, the Red Queen quickly disappears from sight. Alice decides to follow the advice of the rose, and go the other way ("I should advise you to walk the other way"). Immediately she comes face-to-face with the Red Queen (see Lythgoe and Read 1998).

The Red Queen then leads Alice directly to the top of the hill. Along the way, the Red Queen explains that hills can become valleys, which confuses Alice. Already, in this world, straight can become curvy, and progress can be made only by going the opposite direction; now, according to the Red Queen, hills can become valleys and valleys can become hills.

At the top of the hill, the Red Queen begins to run, faster and faster. Alice runs after the Red Queen, but is further perplexed to find that neither one seems to be moving. When they stop running, they are in exactly the same place. Alice remarks on this, to which the Red Queen responds: "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do to keep in the same place". And so it may be with coevolution. Evolutionary change may be required to stay in the same place. Cessation of change may result in extinction.

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Fascinating info, 2013.

[limelady]

Barack Obama "Opens" For Lady Gaga At D.C. Banquet

Lady Gaga performed at the Human Rights Campaign's 13th Annual National Dinner Saturday night, Oct. 10.

The singer performed for the gay rights group after an address by President Barack Obama.

Before making his speech, President Obama joked to the crowd "It's a privilege to open tonight for Lady Gaga. I've made it." Lady Gaga acknowledged Obama's acknowledgment and stood up to applause.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/11/lady-gaga-at-hrc-dinner-p_n_316572.html




Lady Gaga - Message to the President
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHjezAn1oSI
What's up with the hand gestures at the end? Is she mimicking a cat?

Certainly looked similar to my cats front paws when frantically digging a hole to have an urgent pee in the garden! :D

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Certainly looked similar to my cats front paws when frantically digging a hole to have an urgent pee in the garden! :D

I couldn't put my finger on it but that description nails it purrfectly. :D

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Fascinating info, 2013.

Just been to the library and got a copy of thru the looking glass to read up on this red queen symbolism .As This is the time of revealing , it would seem they have no choice but to comply :D

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*subbed*

Fascinating thread, but I need to read the whole thing - twice - before I can comment. :o

[limelady]

Just been to the library and got a copy of thru the looking glass to read up on this red queen symbolism .As This is the time of revealing , it would seem they have no choice but to comply :D

Good for yoou!

Before yoou get yoour nose into that book, you (and others) might like to take a look at THIS (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058432557&postcount=968) post in the Lady Gaga thread, which not only associates her with cats (once again), but also with the Alice through the looking glass theme you are researching.

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Just been to the library and got a copy of thru the looking glass to read up on this red queen symbolism .As This is the time of revealing , it would seem they have no choice but to comply :D

Coincidentally, I wrote a song for the band called 'Salute To The Queen', inspired by the red queen and checkerboard fields.

Sometimes I wonder if I was programmed as a kid...I was a prodigy and then I went all loopy for a bit and dropped out of everything, but I'm fine now, ha. I often notice a lot of these themes crop up in my work, though, with me only realising it in hindsight. I'm rambling now...

*runs out for cat food*

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Good for yoou!

Before yoou get yoour nose into that book, you (and others) might like to take a look at THIS (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058432557&postcount=968) post in the Lady Gaga thread, which not only associates her with cats (once again), but also with the Alice through the looking glass theme you are researching.

Nice one will read it now :D

just checked out that artists (YUKO SHIMIZU) website , some interesting art work and themes there as well .

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Coincidentally, I wrote a song for the band called 'Salute To The Queen', inspired by the red queen and checkerboard fields.

Sometimes I wonder if I was programmed as a kid...I was a prodigy and then I went all loopy for a bit and dropped out of everything, but I'm fine now, ha. I often notice a lot of these themes crop up in my work, though, with me only realising it in hindsight. I'm rambling now...

*runs out for cat food*

Scorpio insight is amazing as well so either way you are well tuned in like most artistics ! I posted back on this thread how similar the Akasha Queen of the Damned theme was in book and movie . Im sure you can relate to that . Any copies of salute to the queen online ? you tube my space etc :D

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Scorpio insight is amazing as well so either way you are well tuned in like most artistics ! I posted back on this thread how similar the Akasha Queen of the Damned theme was in book and movie . Im sure you can relate to that . Any copies of salute to the queen online ? you tube my space etc :D

As a child I was classed as 'gifted', Mensa kid, could play any instrument, excelled at everything, chess, school stuff, languages etc etc. When I got to my late teens I detonated and went on a rampage for a decade :o I've been figuring myself out over the past 4 or 5 years, hence, I still feel like a kid. I also know that 'they' recruit through the school system, so wonder if there's anything I've forgotten. This image of Alice and the Queen has always stayed in my mind since childhood. They're running faster and faster, but staying in the same place, while the world moves, I think. I shall read it again tonight :)

http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/188618/1/Alice-And-The-Red-Queen,-Illustration-From-Through-The-Looking-Glass-By-Lewis-Carroll-1832-98-First-Published-1871.jpg

'Salute To The Queen' is here on this page (fifth track down)
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=798736&content=music

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y248/sweeswee2003/stuff/salutecov.jpg

A lot of my lyrics could be interpreted as me being programmed; I sometimes wonder if I was, or if I'm just picking up on it, in the ether, so to speak. Like, 'Wating' with its mannequins and TV...actually, there's a link to some of my lyrics here.
http://www.potentmusic.co.uk/qtlyrics.htm
I wrote a song called 'Looking-Glass People' a few years ago, but it's not recorded, so I probably haven't uploaded the lyrics to that one. Damn, I need to finish that one. :)

Sorry for hijacking the thread, guys :o

*spanks self*

[limelady]

Spank you very much for your post AA....I'm off to have a listen to your song now. :D

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Barack Obama "Opens" For Lady Gaga At D.C. Banquet

Lady Gaga performed at the Human Rights Campaign's 13th Annual National Dinner Saturday night, Oct. 10.

The singer performed for the gay rights group after an address by President Barack Obama.

Before making his speech, President Obama joked to the crowd "It's a privilege to open tonight for Lady Gaga. I've made it." Lady Gaga acknowledged Obama's acknowledgment and stood up to applause.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/11/lady-gaga-at-hrc-dinner-p_n_316572.html


Shit.

First we discover frightening similarities between Pharoahs and Obama and now this?

To even jokingly bow in deference to Lady Ga Ga just doesn't seem right unless she really is representing something in unison with Obama.

Gross.

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To even jokingly bow in deference to Lady Ga Ga just doesn't seem right unless she really is representing something in unison with Obama.

True. If she plays the role of mother goddess and he plays or is Akhenaten it is logical that he bows to her :(

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Shit.

First we discover frightening similarities between Pharoahs and Obama and now this?

To even jokingly bow in deference to Lady Ga Ga just doesn't seem right unless she really is representing something in unison with Obama.

Gross.

I guess what we're seeing now is the return of old demons... :confused::eek::mad:

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As a child I was classed as 'gifted', Mensa kid, could play any instrument, excelled at everything, chess, school stuff, languages etc etc. When I got to my late teens I detonated and went on a rampage for a decade :o I've been figuring myself out over the past 4 or 5 years, hence, I still feel like a kid. I also know that 'they' recruit through the school system, so wonder if there's anything I've forgotten. This image of Alice and the Queen has always stayed in my mind since childhood. They're running faster and faster, but staying in the same place, while the world moves, I think. I shall read it again tonight :)

http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/188618/1/Alice-And-The-Red-Queen,-Illustration-From-Through-The-Looking-Glass-By-Lewis-Carroll-1832-98-First-Published-1871.jpg

'Salute To The Queen' is here on this page (fifth track down)
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=798736&content=music

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y248/sweeswee2003/stuff/salutecov.jpg

A lot of my lyrics could be interpreted as me being programmed; I sometimes wonder if I was, or if I'm just picking up on it, in the ether, so to speak. Like, 'Wating' with its mannequins and TV...actually, there's a link to some of my lyrics here.
http://www.potentmusic.co.uk/qtlyrics.htm
I wrote a song called 'Looking-Glass People' a few years ago, but it's not recorded, so I probably haven't uploaded the lyrics to that one. Damn, I need to finish that one. :)

Sorry for hijacking the thread, guys :o

*spanks self*

Been reading thru the Gaga thread , will check out song now , pc slow as tonight! The white rabbit image is a powerful one for me i saw it during a tooth extraction with Gas !!( ah those were the days lol )when i was a child . so much to take in Got a few library books to catch up on . :D

good track(s) powerful music and vocals , a touch lena lovich in there somewere in your voice among other sounds !

[biblegirl]

this thread rocks :)

[lightgiver]

http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/67.html

http://www.osirisnet.net/docu/akhenat/e_akhen1.htm

[biblegirl]

just curious, are there any established links between sekhmet and catholicism?

[lightgiver]

just curious, are there any established links between sekhmet and catholicism?

I would imagine so check out link :)

http://watch.pair.com/egypt.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_oA_OMsmZo

This hat comes directly from Babylon and is a direct representation of the true roots of Catholicism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ-Is89r1Jc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybQA_cSploI

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I guess what we're seeing now is the return of old demons... :confused::eek::mad:

Oh yes, I think you pretty much got that in one AA.

Also, I seem to remember sekhmet (also known as Hathor - "Calf Lady"...the cow goddess whom she became after Ra gave her spiked pomegranate beer to stop her blood thirsty killing spree), proclaimed that the return of the sacred white buffalo would signify her return to Earth to rule.

http://www.crystalinks.com/whbuffalo608.jpg

:eek:

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Also, I seem to remember sekhmet (also known as Hathor - "Calf Lady"...the cow goddess whom she became after Ra gave her spiked pomegranate beer to stop her blood thirsty killing spree), proclaimed that the return of the sacred white buffalo would signify her return to Earth to rule.

http://www.crystalinks.com/whbuffalo608.jpg

:eek:

I'd imagine that could be tied in with Native American prophecy as well.

[biblegirl]

the more i learn about sekhmet, the more i think this could be one of the most significant revelations of our time!

it's about to get real freaky :eek:

[limelady]

I'd imagine that could be tied in with Native American prophecy as well.

Indeed!

[merlincove]

Oh yes, I think you pretty much got that in one AA.

Also, I seem to remember sekhmet (also known as Hathor - "Calf Lady"...the cow goddess whom she became after Ra gave her spiked pomegranate beer to stop her blood thirsty killing spree), proclaimed that the return of the sacred white buffalo would signify her return to Earth to rule.

http://www.crystalinks.com/whbuffalo608.jpg

:eek:

i had a feeling that sekhmet was hathor, though i couldn't quite put my finger on it, Sekhmet doesn't seem to have the horned moon as Hathor is often depicted with.

Hathor, Earth Goddess (She was also known as the wife and mother to all Pharaos, indicating that she was timeless) was more often than not depicted crowned with the moon symbol within cow horns:

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Sekhmet often adorns the moon symbol above her head,

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and here she is depicted with the horns but without the moon

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It is my belief that the pantheon gods of Ancient Egypt, through the first and second dynasties were carried on into the later dynastic ages, evolving through name only: Osiris evolving into Rah, Isis into Hathor via Sekhmet, the same gods, bearing the same or at least very similar roles in their mythology, and being addressed by different names across their rule.

It is also worthy to note that those early dynastic deities were themselves carried into Egyptian belief from earlier Sumer, and from Egypt would move out into Europe and find homes within both the Greek and the Roman Pantheon's, the Gods and goddesses would carry on attributed traits and would be addressed with differing names as their energy engulfed different cultures - the deities themselves would remain the same throughout eons of time, passed down for their genesis in Sumer lore.

The gods and goddesses then, reshaped over millennia, are depictions of the deities of Sumer, the Anunaki themselves.

With Sekhmet’s rise and her herald of re-birth, we are in fact seeing the physical resurgence of Anunaki energy, the rise of Sekhmet onto the global scene, feeding on the adoration and worship is a sign that the old gods are returning.

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It is my belief that the pantheon gods of Ancient Egypt, through the first and second dynasties were carried on into the later dynastic ages, evolving through name only: Osiris evolving into Rah, Isis into Hathor via Sekhmet, the same gods, bearing the same or at least very similar roles in their mythology, and being addressed by different names across their rule.

I think you are right about this. You can track same old entity throughout history. Earliest 'mother goddess' figure I could find is Inanna:
http://home.tiscali.nl/gibbon/inanna.jpg

Inanna (Sumerian DINANNA; Akkadian DINGIRINANNA DINANA ) is the Sumerian goddess of sexual love, fertility, and warfare. Alternative Sumerian names include Innin, Ennin, Ninnin, Ninni, Ninanna, Ninnar, Innina, Ennina, Irnina, Innini, Nana and Nin, commonly derived from an earlier Nin-ana "lady of the sky", although Gelb (1960) presented the suggestion that the oldest form is Innin (DINNIN) and that Ninni, Nin-anna and Irnina are independent goddesses in origin.[1] Her Akkadian counterpart is Ishtar.

Up to present days owl at BG:
http://piratenews.org/bohemian-grove-owl-ceremony-day-bw.jpg

I am still looking for a direct connection between Ishtar and Sekhmet but theme is pretty much the same.

[merlincove]

Here is Amun-Ra

does the headwear look familiar?

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Not to dissimilar to this ;)

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[limelady]

Is this a human heart she has in her hands?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4673&d=1259235012

If so, were they not discussing on the gaga adoration thread something about a song gaga did where she intimated she ate somebody's heart? They were making fun of the fact that we might make something out of the symbolism involved in that, so I'd hate to disappoint them by not looking into this a little more. ;)

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Oh yes, I think you pretty much got that in one AA.

Also, I seem to remember sekhmet (also known as Hathor - "Calf Lady"...the cow goddess whom she became after Ra gave her spiked pomegranate beer to stop her blood thirsty killing spree), proclaimed that the return of the sacred white buffalo would signify her return to Earth to rule.

http://www.crystalinks.com/whbuffalo608.jpg

:eek:

From the main headline page today , particularly the underlined .
Buffalo's killed ! :rolleyes:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/24/hindu-sacrifice-gadhimai-festival-nepal
The world's biggest animal sacrifice began in Nepal today with the killing of the first of more than 250,000 animals as part of a Hindu festival in the village of Bariyapur, near the border with India.

The event, which happens every five years, began with the decapitation of thousands of buffalo, killed in honour of Gadhimai, a Hindu goddess of power.

With up to a million worshippers on the roads near the festival grounds, this year's fair seems more popular than ever, despite vocal protests from animals rights groups who have called for it to be banned. "It is the traditional way, " explained 45-year old Manoj Shah, a Nepali driver who has been attending the event since he was six, "If we want anything, and we come here with an offering to the goddess, within five years all our dreams will be fulfilled." .
Crowds thronged the roads and camped out in the open, wrapped in blankets against the cool mist. The festivities included a ferris wheel, fortune-telling robots and stalls broadcasting music and offering tea and sugary snacks.

As dawn broke, the fair officially opened with the sacrifice of two rats, two pigeons, a pig, a lamb and a rooster in the main temple, to cheers of "Long live Gadhimai" from spectators pushing against each other for a better view.

In the main event, 250 appointed residents with traditional kukri knives began their task of decapitating more than 10,000 buffalo in a dusty enclosure guarded by high walls and armed police.

Frightened calves galloped around in vain as the men, wearing red bandanas and armbands, pursued them and chopped off their heads. Banned from entering the animal pen, hundreds of visitors scrambled up the three-metre walls to catch a glimpse of the carnage.

The dead beasts will be sold to companies who will profit from the sale of the meat, bones and hide. Organisers will funnel the proceeds into development of the area, including the temple upkeep.

On the eve of the event, protesters made a final plea to organisers by cracking open coconuts in a nearby temple as a symbolic sacrifice. "It is cruel and inhumane. We've always been a superstitious country, but I don't think sacrifice has to be part of the Hindu religion," said the protest organiser, Pramada Shah.

The campaign has the support of the French actor Brigitte Bardot, who has petitioned the Nepalese prime minister, Madhav Kumar Nepal, about the issue. But the government, which donated £36,500 to the event, has shown no sign of discontinuing the centuries-old tradition. An attempt by the previous government to cut the budget for animal sacrifice provoked street protests.

Chandan Dev Chaudhary, a Hindu priest, said he was pleased with the festival's high turnout and insisted tradition had to be kept. "The goddess needs blood," he said. "Then that person can make his wishes come true."

[biblegirl]

didn't know hindus did that, doh!

[limelady]

From the main headline page today , particularly the underlined .
Buffalo's killed ! :rolleyes:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/24/hindu-sacrifice-gadhimai-festival-nepal

Well there ya go. Last week I was wondering which god/goddess these animals were annually being sacrificed to.

Should have known huh? :rolleyes: Sekhment is also Durga, the bloodthirsty Hindu goddess of destruction.

http://www.thecenteroflight.net/Egyptian.html

http://www.hranajanto.com/goddessgallery/pgfx/durga-400.jpg

[2013]

Well there ya go. Last week I was wondering which god/goddess these animals were annually being sacrificed to.

Should have known huh? :rolleyes: Sekhment is also Durga, the bloodthirsty Hindu goddess of destruction.

http://www.thecenteroflight.net/Egyptian.html

http://www.hranajanto.com/goddessgallery/pgfx/durga-400.jpg

I knew tigers came into it somewhere couldnt figure out were until now . Check out the artist who designed add campaign here . Yuo posted link to gaga pic with toy cats hello kitty! heres the link .YUKO SHIMIZU
http://www.yukoart.com/projects/libero.html
img81.imageshack.us/i/liberopackage.jpg/][IMG]http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7542/liberopackage.jpg

[limelady]

I knew tigers came into it somewhere couldnt figure out were until now . Check out the artist who designed add campaign here . Yuo posted link to gaga pic with toy cats hello kitty! heres the link .YUKO SHIMIZU
http://www.yukoart.com/projects/libero.html
img81.imageshack.us/i/liberopackage.jpg/][IMG]http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7542/liberopackage.jpg

The symbolism in these diaper images is staggering! Flames, sun rays, butterflies...

http://www.yukoart.com/projects/libero/libero1.jpg
http://www.yukoart.com/projects/libero/libero2.jpg

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs36/f/2008/254/f/6/The_Fire_Warrioress_by_Art_of_Sekhmet.jpg

sekhemet (as Durga) is know as "Keeper of the Flame". Another Egyptian title for Sekhmet is Nesert, which means The Flame.

http://images.exoticindiaart.com/oils/ever_graceful_mother_goddess_durga_or82.jpg

http://www.netglimse.com/images/events/durga_puja/durga_appearing.jpg

[2013]

The more i read about this character the more parrallels with Akasha character anne rice wrote about in the Queen of the Damned novel in the Vampire chronicals series . The movie version was made also . The vampire theme traced back to ancient egypt in her novels .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Queen_of_the_Damned
Marius informs his rescuers that Akasha has been awakened by Lestat's rock music. Akasha has destroyed her husband Enkil and plots to rule the world. Akasha is also revealed as the source of the attacks on other vampires.
akasha relating to akashic records no doubt and her husband enkil a composite of enki and enlil ? Google for more info .

Akasha has abducted Lestat and takes him as an unwilling consort to various locations in the world, inciting women to rise up and kill the men who (they feel) have oppressed them.
In Part Four, Akasha confronts the gathered vampires at Maharet's compound. There she explains her plans and offers the vampires a chance to be her 'angels' in her New World Order. Akasha plans to kill 90 percent of the world's human men, and to establish a new Eden in which women will worship Akasha as a goddess. The vampires' refusal of her offer will result in their deaths. The vampires refuse to join her; but before Akasha can destroy them, Mekare enters. Mekare kills Akasha by severing her head. Mekare then consumes Akasha's brain and heart, thereby saving the lives of the remaining vampires and becoming the new 'Queen of the Damned.'

:D

[2013]

Good for yoou!

Before yoou get yoour nose into that book, you (and others) might like to take a look at THIS (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058432557&postcount=968) post in the Lady Gaga thread, which not only associates her with cats (once again), but also with the Alice through the looking glass theme you are researching.

Just read the book apart from everything being reversed Alice shakes the Red Queen at the end and turns her into a kitten .So if nothing else gaga knows her thru the looking glass , makes sense ofthe kitten gestures in the vid posted as well .
Ever drifting down the stream
lingering in the golden gleam
Life , what is it but a dream ?
:D

[limelady]

Interesting thanks 2013.

Red Queen at the end and turns her into a kitten

Yes, from reading about sekhmet, it would seem she is a shapeshifter who can morph into different creatures of either gender at will, to suit the occasion.

[pinkfreud]

didn't know hindus did that, doh!

you'd be surprised if you knew the scale of violence that goes on in the name of appeasing the gods/ goddesses of a religion that is supposed to be one of 'peace'.

it all boils down to blind worship, instead of observation which is what the vedas encourage you to do.



this is durga in one of her common manifestations:

http://www.asiantribune.com/files/images/Durga2.img_assist_custom.bmp



and this is kali (sekhmet):

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/alien-queen-kali-cobra-sex-death1.gif


...scary isn't she?




i'll try to explain this the best way i can...

the three gods (male energy), or trinity in hinduism are brahma, vishnu, and shiva.

brahma is the creator of the physical world- he is the symbolic representation of a 'god' who is very deeply connected to the physical realm, but is confused or has a lesser understanding about the nature of consciousness than the other two gods.

vishnu is the 'detached preserver'. he is a representation of that aspect of consciousness that seeks to give justice and 'right' all wrong in his eyes, without infringing on the nature on non duality. one of his many forms is the popular 'god' krishna. he symbolises the balance between all things material, and all things spiritual.

shiva is the 'indifferent destroyer' or the hermit. free from all materialistic desires, he meditates throughout his life and is that aspect of consciousness that longs to rise up and above the mere 'physical'. he is commonly associated with the mode of inertia, and the tendency towards annihilation. this is how he assists in the exhibition of continuous forms of death and destruction that we see every day. this demise and dissolution can also be viewed as a renewal, which is also considered to be a necessary part of existence.




their corresponding female energies (or 'wives') are those who seem to be their 'opposites', but are actually equal and maintain a balance, thus creating a non dual male-female state of being.

brahma's corresponding feminine energy is saraswati. just as brahma represents the 'confused' or misguided trait of the 'divine' which is seeped into the material state of being, saraswati is the goddess of true spiritual knowledge and learning.

laxmi is vishnu's corresponding energy. since vishnu is supposed to represent the balance between the material and metaphysical, she also possesses the same traits- but is often likened to being the goddess of material and spiritual wealth.

parvati is the 'consort' of shiva. just as shiva is put off by worldly desires and chains, parvati is the +ve feminine energy that goads him into being less indifferent and appreciating the beauty of the material world as well. material destruction has no meaning without objects to destroy- and so, shiva the spiritual 'hermit' is paired with parvati, the material feminine; just as the material, male brahma is paired with the spiritual feminine.



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durga and kali are further manifestations of the 'goddess' parvati, and the more dark and materialistic sides of her. in the kali image i posted above, the 'fierce' kali is standing with one foot on the body of her corresponding male energy, shiva. he does this to 'pacify' her from killing all the 'demons' and stop the bloodshed. in this way, he is trying to control her material or lower vibrational energy.

durga is dark, but to a lesser degree than kali (who is very, very 'primitive'). so i'd say kali is the apt hindu version of the egyptian sekhmet. the worship of kali alone is harnessing absolute negative energy only, because it tilts the balance in favour of all things 'dark'.

[pinkfreud]

interesting stuff on this link. though the whole thing has a very anti-christian feel to it (i think whoever's written this worships lucifer or is a wiccan), the info on sekhmet is great.

the arcane archive (http://www.arcane-archive.org/religion/hinduism/yoga/tantra/neo-tantra/sekhmet-1.php)

[limelady]

you'd be surprised if you knew the scale of violence that goes on in the name of appeasing the gods/ goddesses of a religion that is supposed to be one of 'peace'.

it all boils down to blind worship, instead of observation which is what the vedas encourage you to do.



this is durga in one of her common manifestations:

http://www.asiantribune.com/files/images/Durga2.img_assist_custom.bmp



and this is kali (sekhmet):

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/alien-queen-kali-cobra-sex-death1.gif


...scary isn't she?




i'll try to explain this the best way i can...

the three gods (male energy), or trinity in hinduism are brahma, vishnu, and shiva.

brahma is the creator of the physical world- he is the symbolic representation of a 'god' who is very deeply connected to the physical realm, but is confused or has a lesser understanding about the nature of consciousness than the other two gods.

vishnu is the 'detached preserver'. he is a representation of that aspect of consciousness that seeks to give justice and 'right' all wrong in his eyes, without infringing on the nature on non duality. one of his many forms is the popular 'god' krishna. he symbolises the balance between all things material, and all things spiritual.

shiva is the 'indifferent destroyer' or the hermit. free from all materialistic desires, he meditates throughout his life and is that aspect of consciousness that longs to rise up and above the mere 'physical'. he is commonly associated with the mode of inertia, and the tendency towards annihilation. this is how he assists in the exhibition of continuous forms of death and destruction that we see every day. this demise and dissolution can also be viewed as a renewal, which is also considered to be a necessary part of existence.




their corresponding female energies (or 'wives') are those who seem to be their 'opposites', but are actually equal and maintain a balance, thus creating a non dual male-female state of being.

brahma's corresponding feminine energy is saraswati. just as brahma represents the 'confused' or misguided trait of the 'divine' which is seeped into the material state of being, saraswati is the goddess of true spiritual knowledge and learning.

laxmi is vishnu's corresponding energy. since vishnu is supposed to represent the balance between the material and metaphysical, she also possesses the same traits- but is often likened to being the goddess of material and spiritual wealth.

parvati is the 'consort' of shiva. just as shiva is put off by worldly desires and chains, parvati is the +ve feminine energy that goads him into being less indifferent and appreciating the beauty of the material world as well. material destruction has no meaning without objects to destroy- and so, shiva the spiritual 'hermit' is paired with parvati, the material feminine; just as the material, male brahma is paired with the spiritual feminine.



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durga and kali are further manifestations of the 'goddess' parvati, and the more dark and materialistic sides of her. in the kali image i posted above, the 'fierce' kali is standing with one foot on the body of her corresponding male energy, shiva. he does this to 'pacify' her from killing all the 'demons' and stop the bloodshed. in this way, he is trying to control her material or lower vibrational energy.

durga is dark, but to a lesser degree than kali (who is very, very 'primitive'). so i'd say kali is the apt hindu version of the egyptian sekhmet. the worship of kali alone is harnessing absolute negative energy only, because it tilts the balance in favour of all things 'dark'.

That was a most excellent description of the Hindu deities Pinky....the way you presented it was very easy to understand. I'm literally 'tickled pink' you took the time to write that out, because I've been struggling a little to get my head round these opposite aspects of the various gods/goddesses. Some of the web-based articles I've read were extremely confusing (to say the least), with the various authors giving the information their own particular 'twist.'

Great stuff! :D

[limelady]

....durga is dark, but to a lesser degree than kali (who is very, very 'primitive'). so i'd say kali is the apt hindu version of the egyptian sekhmet. the worship of kali alone is harnessing absolute negative energy only, because it tilts the balance in favour of all things 'dark'.

I would agree with your assessment.....


Kali

http://hazel8500.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/killa-kali-thumb.jpg

:eek:

[size_of_light]

http://hazel8500.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/killa-kali-thumb.jpg
I always knew it was going to end badly for Tintin.

[limelady]

I always knew it was going to end badly for Tintin.

Ah...its Tintin.....I thought I knew that face....lol!!! :p

[pinkfreud]

Great stuff! :D

thanks LL.


I always knew it was going to end badly for Tintin.

:D

notice how the third eye is placed between her legs- attributed to a lower chakra location, especially because like sekhmet- a lot of sex magick rituals are done to appease kali.

also note the discostick in her right hand ;)

[limelady]

also note the discostick in her right hand ;)

:D

A little shorter than Gaga's one. ;)

[size_of_light]

:D

A little shorter than Gaga's one. ;)

Tintin dies a proud man. ;)

[marpat]

very interesting stuff there SOL. it made me think of the hindu female deity kali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali)- it's hard not to draw parallels between the two, since both are associated with death and destruction (read bloodshed).

vedanta does not allow violence in any form, and yet the later hindu texts are rife with stories glorifying kali and ritualism associated with deity worship.



here's (http://www.mandarava.com/metainfo/goddess/kali.htm) a brief on kali:

One of the most recognizable of all the goddesses, Kali Ma, whose name means "Mother Time" or "Black Mother" (Kali means both "black" and "time") is a fierce representation of the feminine principle Devi, whose other forms include the lovely, gentle Parvati (sometimes referred to as the creator goddess.)

Created by her mother, the goddess Durga (a form of Parvati), to conquer the demons Chandra and Mundra, Kali is also called "Chamundra." Kali enjoyed killing the demons so much, that she got carried away and began to kill everything in sight (much like the Egyptian goddess Sekhmet). Kali's husband, Lord Shiva, threw himself under her feet, and, with her spear poised to pierce his heart, Kali suddenly recognized her own beloved consort and was shocked out of her homicidal rampage, ending her killing spree.

Kali is invoked for protection and guidance-but beware! She will destroy all the old ways to make room for new ones. Kali is not subtle in her approach to life or death- she cuts through the illusions of both to bring us to a higher understanding of ourselves and our true nature purpose.



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i doubt if her worship today is anything to do with the destruction of 'illusion' only, but i am led to believe that most of the people who worship her do so without any knowledge of the symbolism behind it all.

True they are both associated with destruction but only the destruction of ignorance and darkness. The heads that you often see kali holding generally represent demons.

The same with Sekhmet, she is a force that destroys, trnasforms and purifies that which is wrong and bad. This does not mean she cannot be approached as a benign figure to those who are good people in general.

Lets look at the mythology though. Kali gets carried away and starts killing everything until Shiva gets involved. This is clearly intended to show that any force acting on its own will eventually lead to an imbalanced state which is where the balancing masculine energy comes in to bring thins to a close.

[size_of_light]

True they are both associated with destruction but only the destruction of ignorance and darkness. The heads that you often see kali holding generally represent demons.

The same with Sekhmet, she is a force that destroys, trnasforms and purifies that which is wrong and bad. This does not mean she cannot be approached as a benign figure to those who are good people in general.

Lets look at the mythology though. Kali gets carried away and starts killing everything until Shiva gets involved. This is clearly intended to show that any force acting on its own will eventually lead to an imbalanced state which is where the balancing masculine energy comes in to bring thins to a close.

Made that up, did you?

Any authentic, original sources to back up your modern day re-invention of this crap?

[strt]

This is clearly intended to show that any force acting on its own will eventually lead to an imbalanced state which is where the balancing masculine energy comes in to bring thins to a close.

My English is not perfect and I have just learned some new meanings of the word 'clearly'.

[marpat]

Made that up, did you?

Any authentic, original sources to back up your modern day re-invention of this crap?

Thought it was common knowledge for people who have studied the actual subject.

[limelady]

Thought it was common knowledge for people who have studied the actual subject.

Hi marpat!!

Well being that it may not be 'common knowledge' for MANY on this forum, and many people are interested in this, could you please supply more information to authentic sources to back up your claims in your earlier post?

[pinkfreud]

True they are both associated with destruction but only the destruction of ignorance and darkness. The heads that you often see kali holding generally represent demons.

The same with Sekhmet, she is a force that destroys, trnasforms and purifies that which is wrong and bad. This does not mean she cannot be approached as a benign figure to those who are good people in general.

Lets look at the mythology though. Kali gets carried away and starts killing everything until Shiva gets involved. This is clearly intended to show that any force acting on its own will eventually lead to an imbalanced state which is where the balancing masculine energy comes in to bring thins to a close.


yes i know. but you are missing the point on kali.

shakti (feminine energy) was given the task of killing the demon raktabija- but for every drop of blood he shed, he reproduced a clone of himself. the battlefield hence became fiilled with his 'clones', and durga (not kali) found this to be a huge bane.

so in order to amplify her strength against this demon, durga manifested as the even darker and brutal kali.

kali destroyed the demon raktabija by sucking the blood from his body and devouring all his clones (so as to keep all his blood from falling). the demon heads you see around her neck are the various avatars or clones of the demon himself- as such they are actually a singular demon entity, and not many different demons.

however with this victory, kali gets carried away and starts killing innocents on the battlefield as well; the gods try to get her to stop- but she just can't. till her corresponding male energy shiva lays down in front of her and manages to make her calm down and see the destruction she has caused.




you cannot isolate one aspect or trait of consciousness and worship that without acknowledging the equal importance of a corresponding energy which lends it some balance. the worship of kali today has become vulgar to the point of conducting even human sacrifices for her; animal sacrifice is a done thing as far as appeasing her is concerned, and so is having 'base' tantric sex in her name. all this generates lopsided energy and creates imbalance.

if one needs to acknowledge non dualism or balance, it should be done without isolating a deity. as such, you cannot merely say kali is still a devout, caring mother goddess- because she simply isn't! she is the dark form of the sacred feminine, she represents negative energy in the female. you cannot airbrush her to your liking, because there are already well over a million manifestations of the sacred feminine in hinduism- each which give us an insight into the nature of ourselves.




edit:

Thought it was common knowledge for people who have studied the actual subject.

if you have studied the subject of kali (and sekhmet) you would have already known that she was never meant to be a manifestation of a benign mother or anything of the kind.

[marpat]

yes i know. but you are missing the point on kali.

shakti (feminine energy) was given the task of killing the demon raktabija- but for every drop of blood he shed, he reproduced a clone of himself. the battlefield hence became fiilled with his 'clones', and durga (not kali) found this to be a huge bane.

so in order to amplify her strength against this demon, durga manifested as the even darker and brutal kali.

kali destroyed the demon raktabija by sucking the blood from his body and devouring all his clones (so as to keep all his blood from falling). the demon heads you see around her head are the various avatars or clones of the demon himself- as such they are actually a singular demon entity.

however with this victory, kali gets carried away and starts killing innocents on the battlefield as well, till her corresponding male energy shiva lays down in front of her and manages to make her calm down and see the destruction she has caused.




you cannot isolate one aspect or trait of consciousness and worship that without acknowledging the equal importance of a corresponding energy which lends it some balance. the worship of kali today has become vulgar to the point of conducting even human sacrifices for her; animal sacrifice is a done thing as far as appeasing her is concerned, and so is having 'base' tantric sex in her name. all this generates the energy and creates imbalance.

if one needs to acknowledge non dualism or balance, it should be done without isolating a deity. as such, you cannot merely say kali is still a devout, caring mother goddess- because she simply isn't! she is the dark form of the sacred feminine, she represents negative energy in the female. you cannot airbrush her to your liking, because there are already well over a million manifestations of the sacred feminine in hinduism- each which give us an insight into the nature of ourselves.

There are always people who will debase any form of worship and it if people turn to human sacrifice then this is just another example of people debasing such force.

Why is tantric sex base? there is nothing holy in denial of the spiritual nature or power of the sexual force.

Nobody is talking about airbrushing, isolation or anything. Personally I cant see why there is an issue seeing kali as both a mother figure and a destroyer of ignorace. The whole blood drinking thing is nothing more than symbol talk for the removal of vital force from those negative powers, the blood is the life. It is your relationship to a force that will dictate whether you are exposed to the positive of negative side of it.

Dont see what point I am missing though

[marpat]

Here is an Egyptian link showing that the good side of Sekhmet was Hathor. At the end of the day they are both the manifestations of one feminine energy:

http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/egypt/hathor.htm

[pinkfreud]

Why is tantric sex base? there is nothing holy in denial of the spiritual nature or power of the sexual force.

read my post again, carefully. i did not say tantric sex in itself generates 'bad' energy- what i said was the sex magick rituals conducted as worship to her is base.

i've never denied the power of sexual energy. in fact i think it's important and very crucial.



Nobody is talking about airbrushing, isolation or anything. Personally I cant see why there is an issue seeing kali as both a mother figure and a destroyer of ignorace. The whole blood drinking thing is nothing more than symbol talk for the removal of vital force from those negative powers, the blood is the life. It is your relationship to a force that will dictate whether you are exposed to the positive of negative side of it.


because she is NOT a mother figure, and she is not the destroyer of ignorance. this is where you've got your facts wrong; i suggest you read more about her.

yes, the intent behind her avatar was indeed to destroy raktabija; however that translated into killing all she deemed unfit- that included innocents. whether blood symbolizes vital force or not is irrelevant in the broader context, because kali ended up violating the way or the laws of vedanta- which states that you cannot shed the blood of an innocent.

and this is why i think sekhmet is but the negative form of the feminine as well. same goddesses, different names.

[limelady]

Here is an Egyptian link showing that the good side of Sekhmet was Hathor. At the end of the day they are both the manifestations of one feminine energy:

http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/egypt/hathor.htm

Thanks, but those of us who have studied sekhmet already know Hathor is Sekhmet's 'Earth Mother' side. :cool:

[biblegirl]

you'd be surprised if you knew the scale of violence that goes on in the name of appeasing the gods/ goddesses of a religion that is supposed to be one of 'peace'.

it all boils down to blind worship, instead of observation which is what the vedas encourage you to do.



i'll try to explain this the best way i can...

the three gods (male energy), or trinity in hinduism are brahma, vishnu, and shiva.


thanks pinkfreud, good info :)

[biblegirl]

I would agree with your assessment.....


Kali

http://hazel8500.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/killa-kali-thumb.jpg

:eek:

yikes lol!

[marpat]

because she is NOT a mother figure, and she is not the destroyer of ignorance. this is where you've got your facts wrong; i suggest you read more about her.


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OK, I guess what I was trying to say is that Kali is an aspect of the divine mother

[marpat]

http://www.goddess.ws/kali.html

Check these links. They suggest that Kali is associated with the death of the ego, which in essence means the destruction of ignorance, etc. Not only that but they associated her with the mother:

"Kali comes from the Sanskrit root word Kal which means time. There is nothing that escapes the all-consuming march of time. In Tibetan Buddhism Her counterpart is male with the name Kala. Mother Kali is the most misunderstood of the Hindu goddesses. The Encyclopedia Britannica is grossly mistaken in the following quote, "Major Hindu goddess whose iconography, cult, and mythology commonly associate her with death, sexuality, violence, and, paradoxically in some of her later historical appearances, motherly love."


http://hindu-mythology.suite101.com/article.cfm/hindu_goddess_kali


Symbolically, Kali characterizes destruction or letting go of the past to make room for a more purposeful present and future. She stands for the concept of Mother Nature as not only a potent, destructive force but also a force that cleanses away the old to allow room for new, fertile ground.

http://www.iloveindia.com/spirituality/goddesses/kali/index.html

Goddess Kali is sometimes referred as the goddess of death. But actually Kali brings the death of the ego. Even in the scriptures, she has killed demons but not anyone else.

Kali is considered a form of mother too. Maa Kali is one of the few Goddesses who are celibate and practice renunciation.

People who are attached to their ego would not be able to receive the idea of Kali and she will appear in a wrathful form to them.

Goddess Kali has four arms and hands depicting her immense strength. In two of her hands, she holds a sword and a fresh severed head, representing a great battle in which she defeated the demon Raktabija. The other two hands are there to bless her true devotees, suggesting that they will be saved as she will guide them here and in the hereafter.

[limelady]

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....Goddess Kali is sometimes referred as the goddess of death. But actually Kali brings the death of the ego. Even in the scriptures, she has killed demons but not anyone else......


Just a pity she doesn't represent the 'killing' of her own over-bloated, self-important ego. :rolleyes:

Besides, this is all very debatable this belief that 'her' energy was only ever responsible for killing other demons. I say 'other' demons, because her own energy manifestations, demands, and general behaviour is such, that she could be nothing else BUT a demon herself in her 'kali' persona.

But I'll not waste my time (or yours) attempting to change your view marpat.

[marpat]

Just a pity she doesn't represent the 'killing' of her own over-bloated, self-important ego. :rolleyes:

Besides, this is all very debatable this belief that 'her' energy was only ever responsible for killing other demons. I say 'other' demons, because her own energy manifestations, demands, and general behaviour is such, that she could be nothing else BUT a demon herself in her 'kali' persona.

But I'll not waste my time (or yours) attempting to change your view marpat.

How can a spiritual force have an ego?

Dont you think you are acting out of ego by talking about changing my viewpoint because that implies you are somehow more illumined.

The quotes I used are from site that explain Kali and they are not my own words.

What are her demands and how does that make her demonic? who is the authroity that states her demands are demonic? what is a demon? often the laws laid down for religious worship are created by men, not by the deities they claim to serve.

[limelady]

How can a spiritual force have an ego?

Dont you think you are acting out of ego by talking about changing my viewpoint because that implies you are somehow more illumined.

The quotes I used are from site that explain Kali and they are not my own words.

What are her demands and how does that make her demonic? who is the authroity that states her demands are demonic? what is a demon? often the laws laid down for religious worship are created by men, not by the deities they claim to serve.


Just told you I was not going to spend time trying to change your mind. ;)

Nice attempt at thread disruption though......btw, on that score, what kept you? Lol :D

[marpat]

Just told you I was not going to spend time trying to change your mind. ;)

Nice attempt at thread disruption though......btw, on that score, what kept you? Lol :D

I have not disrupted anything. Why would I try and do that?

If it is going to be like that then I cant see any point in posting here.

[size_of_light]

True they are both associated with destruction but only the destruction of ignorance and darkness. The heads that you often see kali holding generally represent demons.

The same with Sekhmet, she is a force that destroys, trnasforms and purifies that which is wrong and bad. This does not mean she cannot be approached as a benign figure to those who are good people in general.

Lets look at the mythology though. Kali gets carried away and starts killing everything until Shiva gets involved. This is clearly intended to show that any force acting on its own will eventually lead to an imbalanced state which is where the balancing masculine energy comes in to bring thins to a close.

Made that up, did you?

Any authentic, original sources to back up your modern day re-invention of this crap?

Thought it was common knowledge for people who have studied the actual subject.

That deities can have peaceful and wrathful aspects?

That's not in question.

But in the case of Sekhmet, where in the story of her uncontrollable bloodlust do you find evidence of her only destroying, transforming and purifying "that which is wrong and bad"?

The story explicity contradicts your assertion, and the full story makes it clear that the 'wrong and bad' is defined not in moral or ethical terms anyway, but merely as opposition to Ra, himself an unstable, maniacal figure that no one could seriously suggest is representative here of man's true enlightened nature.

And from HwtHrw, sprang Sekhmet, who surged across the land, killing not only the mutinous humans, but every other human as well. Ra, seeing the destruction he wrought by sending out Sekhmet, grew saddened, and tried to stop the goddess. But in her bloodlust, Sekhmet could not be stopped. Ra sent forth messengers and gods, but Sekhmet destroyed them too.

A plan was devised where seven thousand jugs of beer were stained red to mimic blood, and laid out in the path of the goddess. Sekhmet, thinking it was blood, lapped up the brew, whereby she grew tired and sleepy.

At this point, there is contention about how Sekhmet felt when she woke up. One story tells that she woke up and felt placated, and returned to Ra, another version, which segues into the story of the "Wandering Eye", tells that Sekhmet fled Egypt (presumbly upset over the trickery of the beer), and with Sekhmet gone, Ra's power was depleted.

http://www.persekhmet.org/articles/sekhmet1.htm

If you view this story as nothing more than a metaphor for the different aspects of the sun's power and/or stages of ego death, then you can spin her serial killing tendencies into a perverse explanation that mocks the enlightened activity of genuine wrathful deities while pretending to parallel it.

But you could also do the same with the details of the Jeffrey Dahmer, Ed Gein or Ted Bundy cases too, and conceal the evil intent behind their actions by dressing them up in any number of different ways to suggest that what they were really doing was just manifesting symbolic representations of a pure spiritual force.

Some people would believe you if you did that, too, provided the argument you built was convoluted and esoteric enough to make them forget about the sheer illogicality and insanity of even suggesting such a thing.

When George Bush initiated the slaughter-ritual of millions of innocent Iraqis, was he also manifesting the qualities of this righteous force of purification you describe, or maybe you think Bush doesn't really exist, and is just a metaphor for a stage of spiritual development?

[marpat]

Who said Ra is meant to be mans true enlightened nature? Ra is the creator god. If you want a god of wisdom you should look at thoth.

The thing with deities is that how they affect a person will depend upon that person relationship to that force. In Tibetan Buddhism you have deities that manifest their peaceful or wrathful nature according to the nature or obstructions of the persons mind and I think this goes for other deities in general. Why should sekhmet be different to a buddhist wrathful deity when there are many pictures of them with skulls, driking blood out of them, etc.

It would seem to me that you are telling me what sekhmet should be and that any other approach to the subject is wrong. Dont forget that what we know of Egyptian mythology is not complete unlike the cult of Kali which has a living line of adherents who can pass the real knowledge on.

What has George Bush got to do with any of this? are you suggesting his action was righteous because I dont and I dont see the current wars as the action of an Egyptian deity either. Bush was famous for saying God (his christian god!!!) told him to invade Iraq.

I think you take mythology too literally. Such stories are meant to convey some aspect of truth and I think behind sekhmet is a purging force that, if left to run amok, can be highly destructive even to the point of blindness. I would think many spiritual forces are similar, at their point of origin they may be balanced but by the time they reach their extremes they can be highly balanced and even demonic. In kabbalah the difference between a sphere and its qlippothic or evil aspect is a matter of how well the force is balanced. As if beer would be the way to stop a goddess :rolleyes:

At the end of the day the Egyptians may have dressed this goddess up in a certain way with certain stories but who is to say they got it right or that such a deity even exists? in ancient times the god Serapis was created and was a combination of 5 Egyptian and Greek gods so if they can just make a god and created stories around it then why should that of sekhmet be any different? who is to say that they did not create such mythology for the political purpose of claiming Egypt had powerful gods that are very dangerous when provoked?

[strt]

When George Bush initiated the slaughter-ritual of millions of innocent Iraqis, was he also manifesting the qualities of this righteous force of purification you describe, or maybe you think Bush doesn't really exist, and is just a metaphor for a stage of spiritual development?

When you say 'Bush' you clearly speak about our inner struggle to achieve personal purification? That's common knowledge. And so on and so on... :D

Seriously, same story that repeats throughout different cultures can't be too metaphorical. Nobody can say that old people lacked imagination so they had to use similar made up story.

[marpat]

When you say 'Bush' you clearly speak about our inner struggle to achieve personal purification? That's common knowledge. And so on and so on... :D

Seriously, same story that repeats throughout different cultures can't be too metaphorical. Nobody can say that old people lacked imagination so they had to use similar made up story.

The stories are not necessarily made up but are attempts by people in different places to come to terms with forces that are common to them all. This is why you can have unconnected cultures with similar ideas because the archetypes (for want of a better word) are common. All nations are familiar with fire and how many of them developed myths that are similar because the fire element is common to their experience?

Just because the ancient Egyptians worshipped sekhmet I cant see how people can apply this to George Bush and the current wars. It is a known fact that slides that were used in his briefing contained biblical verses, not something from Egyptian mythology.

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Who said Ra is meant to be mans true enlightened nature? Ra is the creator god. If you want a god of wisdom you should look at thoth.

If, as you say, Sekhmet is associated with destruction, but "only the destruction of ignorance and darkness", then you'd need to explain that, by properly accounting for what Ra represents on an inner spiritual level in this myth, and how Sekhmet's manifestion as a product of Ra's anger towards humanity for plotting to overthrow him, is a form of action that arises from a pure source within that has the power to 'destroy, transform and purify' that which is 'wrong and bad'.

Since Ra was an absolute nutjob at times, I think you'll have your work cut out for you.


The thing with deities is that how they affect a person will depend upon that person relationship to that force. In Tibetan Buddhism you have deities that manifest their peaceful or wrathful nature according to the nature or obstructions of the persons mind and I think this goes for other deities in general. Why should sekhmet be different to a buddhist wrathful deity when there are many pictures of them with skulls, driking blood out of them, etc.

A simple charlatan can impersonate a holy man on the human level, so why wouldn't the old records be infested with negative entities similarly masquerading as positive spiritual forces alongside the genuine ones?

I think old Seksy is one of these, and shaking the weevils out of the wheat is the point of this thread.

In the version of the story where she doesn't just skulk off resentfully at the end to prey on another land after being tricked and drugged by Ra into halting her murderous rampage, but is alternatively transformed into Hathor (a pretty dubious figure in her own right, but I digress), her transformation remains the result of deceit and intoxication, and essentially comes about through a procedure whereby she is unwittingly anethesised and then awakens as a different figure after being subjected to a complete personality transplant during blackout.

That experience doesn't bear any resemblance to the character, qualities or actions of compassionate wrathful deities I know of who use the piercing clarity and power of direct awareness to cut through delusion at the root and transform it into realisation.

At best, the story could be looked upon as a case of a demonic force being temporarily or superficially subjugated, though considering who did the 'subjugating', and also based on the elaborate and painstaking appeasement rituals that men were subsequently required to perform to keep her at bay, I don't think that even holds up to scrutiny.


It would seem to me that you are telling me what sekhmet should be and that any other approach to the subject is wrong.

No. I just think that what you said earlier was 'clearly' the case about her, is not clearly the case at all.


Dont forget that what we know of Egyptian mythology is not complete unlike the cult of Kali which has a living line of adherents who can pass the real knowledge on.

Good point, for a few reasons. There's various unbroken lineages that have worshiped Kali since ancient times and continue today, and enough conflicting perspectives available on her to end up making it a personal intuitive choice as to what you decide is the truth about her nature.

Sekhmet, on the other hand, is a much bigger mystery, and there's very little information (at least publically) on her.

Yet the overwhelming majority of online sites that refer to her, present her in a generally positive light, usually confusing the issue by detailing the apparently positive qualities of Hathor, and then transferring them across to Sekhmet as a justification for interpreting her as a benevolent figure and an object of veneration that can be worshiped for personal empowerment and transformation.

Based on next to nothing that has survived from original sources, btw, while at the same time reducing one of the stories that has been preserved (re: her drunken bloodlust) down to a quirky and exciting little anecdote at the end that has somehow come to symbolise a fierce and powerful aspect of feminine energy can be accessed and channeled by interested people today.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and seems very contrived and artificial to me.


What has George Bush got to do with any of this? are you suggesting his action was righteous because I dont and I dont see the current wars as the action of an Egyptian deity either. Bush was famous for saying God (his christian god!!!) told him to invade Iraq.

Once our civilisation has long been gone under the waves and archaeologists from 5000 years into the future finally recover our hard drives from the ocean floors and extract all this information we recorded about 'Bush', what are they going to make of him?

Was he a real figure who's actions we were documenting, or will that future civilisation be as controlled and neurotic as us and try to reduce everything we communicated to them from the past down to the level of nothing more than spiritual symbolism and psychological archetypes?


I think you take mythology too literally. Such stories are meant to convey some aspect of truth and I think behind sekhmet is a purging force that, if left to run amok, can be highly destructive even to the point of blindness. I would think many spiritual forces are similar, at their point of origin they may be balanced but by the time they reach their extremes they can be highly balanced and even demonic. In kabbalah the difference between a sphere and its qlippothic or evil aspect is a matter of how well the force is balanced. As if beer would be the way to stop a goddess :rolleyes:


On the contrary, I think there has been a comprehensive and systematic attempt by the establishment over the last few hundred years - aided and abetted by people's innate fear of 'monsters' and also the desire to maintain the status quo delusion that allows us to cling to the false security of only existing on a material plane - to completely whitewash the truth about multi-dimensional reality and the manipulative and controlling influence of intelligent non-human entities on mankind, described so clearly, directly and matter-of-factly by our ancestors.

Today, everything in the ancient records is obsessively interpreted and logged as really "representing" or "symbolising" something else, with hidden meanings that, when then tweaked, presented and explained to us by 'scholars' are usually so mind-numbingly tedious, dry and devoid of life or any real practical application to our own existence or understanding of our reality that the end result is that most people shut down and express no interest in it.

Mission accomplished.

Nothing written in ancient times is ever allowed to be what it says it is, it always has to mean something else, and the implication of that is that the ancients, despite their obvious profound grasp in most areas of science, philosophy and other complex and esoteric subjects, were seriously retarded in others, and always needed to explain certain things in a cartoon fashion, by drawing silly, lion-headed humanoids as a way to really describe and express different aspects or qualities of the sun, or psychology or spirituality etc.

Obviously they employed a helluva lot of symbolism in parallel too, and it's a matter of our discernment to separate the two, but it seems fundamentally illogical and irrational to me, they we automatically adopt the position that when the ancients depicted humanoids with animal heads, they were always just symbolising intangible qualities of nature or spirituality, and not recording the visages of creatures they literally interacted with.

Assuming that they're genuine illustrations of real beings is the natural starting point and we should be going forward from there in trying to make sense of it all, so what's blocking us?

Apart from what I see as a centuries old establishment policy to prevent people from seriously considering the logic of beginning there, that fear of the unknown and of 'monsters' I mentioned is the other factor I see as driving the compulsion to reduce everything down to the level of symbolism.


At the end of the day the Egyptians may have dressed this goddess up in a certain way with certain stories but who is to say they got it right or that such a deity even exists? in ancient times the god Serapis was created and was a combination of 5 Egyptian and Greek gods so if they can just make a god and created stories around it then why should that of sekhmet be any different? who is to say that they did not create such mythology for the political purpose of claiming Egypt had powerful gods that are very dangerous when provoked?

I've read things that state, for example, that Sekhmet and Bast were originally, explicitly separate individuals, and were never meant to be viewed as different aspects of the same 'goddess'.

One was the deity of Upper Egypt and the other of Lower Egypt. In certain periods, they merged as Sekhmet-Bast, which suggests that mergings like this were done for political purposes to unite Upper and Lower Egypt.

Sekhmet-Hathor-Bast was another combination, which makes me suspect that similarly, Sekhmet and Hathor may not be different aspects of the one spiritual force at all, and that they were just stuck together at some point to suit the needs of the rulers of that time.

The interesting thing to think about with all this is, who was really driving those political alliances behind the scenes?

In the establishment view, the question of whether or not these gods really existed as genuine spiritual forces is conveniently not addressed, but if you consider the possibility that they were, then it stands to reason that the gods themselves would have exerted influence on the priests and rulers of those time to make these connections happen when it helped them to disguise their real natures and past negative deeds in order to perpetuate their own cults of power into the future.

As for whether or not all this shit is made up, and none of it has any substance, I haven't really got any comment.

Except to say that I don't think it's all baseless propaganda, which is why going back and separating the individual goddesses from their 'other aspects' and combinations is probably the best way to find any real elements of truth in it all.

[marpat]

My own attitude towards mythology is that it is not some solid, factual explanation but a fluid, adaptable set of ideas and concepts that evolve with time. Even Egyptian religion you see core ideas changing at time, such as the emergence of different cults that then absorb other deities, etc.

I see myth characters as early efforts to relate to various subtle forces. The myths the priests used back then might have been very acceptable in the period of time they were in and in that environment. Nowadays people are looking at those stories in a totally different light, from a totally different angle.

I dont think there is an attempt to make out that everything is symbolic to avoid raw facts as there is plenty of things in Egyptian art that are quite brutal and leave no doubt as to what was meant, such as cutting the heads, hands, feet and cocks off enemies. There are many bas reliefs of pharohs doing such things.

Perhaps somebody should invoke her power against the White House and see what the result is.

[limelady]

My own attitude towards mythology is that it is not some solid, factual explanation but a fluid, adaptable set of ideas and concepts that evolve with time. Even Egyptian religion you see core ideas changing at time, such as the emergence of different cults that then absorb other deities, etc.

I see myth characters as early efforts to relate to various subtle forces. The myths the priests used back then might have been very acceptable in the period of time they were in and in that environment. Nowadays people are looking at those stories in a totally different light, from a totally different angle.

I dont think there is an attempt to make out that everything is symbolic to avoid raw facts as there is plenty of things in Egyptian art that are quite brutal and leave no doubt as to what was meant, such as cutting the heads, hands, feet and cocks off enemies. There are many bas reliefs of pharohs doing such things.

Perhaps somebody should invoke her power against the White House and see what the result is.

Well see, this is the thing with the subject matter being discussed here. None of us can be sure what any of it really meant in ancient times, let alone the significance any of it has to us today. Your take is your speculation/opinion only, and like anyone else with a 'take' on anything we cannot be sure about, you may well be totally wrong with your present understanding. SOL may be barking up the wrong tree also.

But on that score, SOL started this thread to explore and share HIS thoughts on this particular subject, and now that you have given your opinions (which are appreciated, as it gave SOL a chance to further explain his own ideas to us) it would be nice if you backed off a little and allowed him to carry on presenting his information for the rest of us to make up our own minds about. :)

[marpat]

Well see, this is the thing with the subject matter being discussed here. None of us can be sure what any of it really meant in ancient times, let alone the significance any of it has to us today. Your take is your speculation/opinion only, and like anyone else with a 'take' on anything we cannot be sure about, you may well be totally wrong with your present understanding. SOL may be barking up the wrong tree also.

But on that score, SOL started this thread to explore and share HIS thoughts on this particular subject, and now that you have given your opinions (which are appreciated, as it gave SOL a chance to further explain his own ideas to us) it would be nice if you backed off a little and allowed him to carry on presenting his information for the rest of us to make up our own minds about. :)

Oh I am sorry. When people start threads I did not realise that it was just to explore their own ideas. I was under the impression that it was a general discussion especially as people had introduce other topics such as kali.

[limelady]

Oh I am sorry. When people start threads I did not realise that it was just to explore their own ideas. I was under the impression that it was a general discussion especially as people had introduce other topics such as kali.

It is indeed a general discussion marpat, and people are free to state their views (as you have done already several times) but its also important that threads stay on topic and can carry on along the lines the OP intended for the thread to evolve, otherwise we can become guilty of thread hijacking. We wouldn't want to take this thread off topic or in a totally different direction by pushing too hard with our own contrary views, as that is hardly fair is it?

Especially when we feel strongly about something and are free to start our own thread to further expand on our own views.:)

[amethyst]

Ya know, I am exploring the idea that this Sekhmet individual/image/spirit might also symbolically be represented as the whore of babylon, that the book of Revelations mentions. This whore image/spirit apparently loves to get drunk on blood too.....

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8223/whorebab.jpg

Are those 7 headed lions (beasts?)

That's a cup of blood in her hand.....

She's representing false religion...and gets drunk off the blood of it's victims

[lightgiver]

Ya know, I am exploring the idea that this Sekhmet individual/image/spirit might also symbolically be represented as the whore of babylon, that the book of Revelations mentions. This whore image/spirit apparently loves to get drunk on blood too.....

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8223/whorebab.jpg

Are those 7 headed lions (beasts?)

That's a cup of blood in her hand.....

She's representing false religion...and gets drunk off the blood of it's victims

Hi Amethyst :)

ROME at a guess.

and to others,

not often I agree with marpat,but there is truth in what he has posted .:)

Even though some images can come across as fearsome and the like ,most times it means the opposite, if you have studied properly people will understand this.

For example my avatar Vajrayogini as human skulls around her neck,this does not mean she goes around killing and the like ,the symbolism represents the purified winds of the body ,also certain objects or symbols may have many meanings depending on ones practise and understanding of the esoteric subject.

A lot of subjects especially of esoteric nature are full of allegory,for a reason.

peace LG.:)

[amethyst]

Hi Amethyst :)

ROME at a guess.

and to others,

not often I agree with marpat,but there is truth in what he has posted .:)

Even though some images can come across as fearsome and the like ,most times it means the opposite, if you have studied properly people will understand this.

For example my avatar Vajrayogini as human skulls around her neck,this does not mean she goes around killing and the like ,the symbolism represents the purified winds of the body ,also certain objects or symbols may have many meanings depending on ones practise and understanding of the esoteric subject.

A lot of subjects especially of esoteric nature are full of allegory,for a reason.

peace LG.:)

Yes, lightgiver, ROME was the first thing that came to my mind ;)

[pinkfreud]

Ya know, I am exploring the idea that this Sekhmet individual/image/spirit might also symbolically be represented as the whore of babylon, that the book of Revelations mentions.

clicky the link in my post. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058443864&postcount=114) ;)

[amethyst]

clicky the link in my post. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058443864&postcount=114) ;)

Very interesting my dear Watson (said Sherlock ;))

[lightgiver]

Very interesting my dear Watson (said Sherlock ;))

elementary ;) interesting vid here,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa73hEYHS6g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN1j3zzpFnY

[size_of_light]

Something cool and possibly related to summoning or becoming feline-shapeshifters during shamanic ceremonies, from: Werecat on Wikipedia:

The Americas

The foremost were-animal in pre-Columbian Mesoamerican cultures was the were-jaguar. It was associated with the veneration of the jaguar, with priests and shamans among the various peoples who followed this tradition donning the skins of jaguars to "become" a were-jaguar. Among the Aztecs, an entire class of specialized warriors who dressed in jaguar skins were called "jaguar warriors". Depictions of the jaguar and the were-jaguar are among the most common motifs among the artifacts of the ancient Mesoamerican civilizations.

Archeologists have found a jar in Guatemala, attributed to the Maya of the Late Classic Era (600-900 AD), which depicts a musical instrument that has been reproduced and played. This instrument is astonishing in at least two respects. First, it is the only stringed instrument known in the Americas prior to the introduction of European musical instruments. Second, when played, it produces a sound virtually identical to a jaguar's growl.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werecat



I haven't found any photos of this jar, but here's a youtube clip about it, with a musical demonstration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERTXJMaGltg

If you're watching this on drugs, don't blame me if you turn into a big cat. :eek:

[biblegirl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERTXJMaGltg

If you're watching this on drugs, don't blame me if you turn into a big cat. :eek:

Haha, good find there. Never heard of werecats before, except for maybe catwoman lol :) Maybe the instrument was used to invoke that spirit into the rituals. Very interesting. I hate to bring this up...but do you think maybe there is something behind furries that could be related to all this kind of stuff?

[size_of_light]

Haha, good find there. Never heard of werecats before, except for maybe catwoman lol :) Maybe the instrument was used to invoke that spirit into the rituals. Very interesting. I hate to bring this up...but do you think maybe there is something behind furries that could be related to all this kind of stuff?

Werecats is just a modern term to describe all the various shapeshifting cat-creature legends around the world.

I'm thinking the drum was probably used for those sorts of trance-inducing rituals and that the people involved were supposedly wearing jaguar skins suggests it had a shapeshifting element of some kind to it. I haven't looked but perhaps the Egyptians had a similar-looking instrument that appears in their artwork and allowed them to invoke Sekhmet.

Re: furries, I don't know anything about them really, other than what I read when the forum was doing battle with cranky old Lord Reptoid many months ago.

It's an online community of people who adopt animal characters or avatars and believe (or pretend to believe) that they were those animals in previous incarnations, isn't it?

[biblegirl]

haha um, i don't know that much about it as far as previous incarnations, i was under the impression it was more of a sexual fetish

[limelady]

Speaking of shape-shifting "werecats" reminded me that I once read something about an ancient demon that goes by the name of a behemoth (sp?) which is said to shape-shift into an evil killer cat.

I will watch the video clip then go see what I can dig up.

[limelady]

Something cool and possibly related to summoning or becoming feline-shapeshifters during shamanic ceremonies, from: Werecat on Wikipedia:

The Americas

The foremost were-animal in pre-Columbian Mesoamerican cultures was the were-jaguar. It was associated with the veneration of the jaguar, with priests and shamans among the various peoples who followed this tradition donning the skins of jaguars to "become" a were-jaguar. Among the Aztecs, an entire class of specialized warriors who dressed in jaguar skins were called "jaguar warriors". Depictions of the jaguar and the were-jaguar are among the most common motifs among the artifacts of the ancient Mesoamerican civilizations.

Archeologists have found a jar in Guatemala, attributed to the Maya of the Late Classic Era (600-900 AD), which depicts a musical instrument that has been reproduced and played. This instrument is astonishing in at least two respects. First, it is the only stringed instrument known in the Americas prior to the introduction of European musical instruments. Second, when played, it produces a sound virtually identical to a jaguar's growl.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werecat



I haven't found any photos of this jar, but here's a youtube clip about it, with a musical demonstration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERTXJMaGltg

If you're watching this on drugs, don't blame me if you turn into a big cat. :eek:

Interesting!

If you go HERE, (http://www.junglewalk.com/popup.asp?type=a&AnimalAudioID=295) you can hear the sounds of various cats, including tht of a wild jaguar. IMO the noise this instrument makes also replicates the sound of a cheetah purr. :p

[limelady]

Its hard to find a picture of a behemoth that's not related to a heavy metal band of the same name, but HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behemoth) is a wiki page about this creature. They don't mention specifially that this creature morphs into a cat (according to the information, its a huge creature that shpeshifts into various HUGE creatures - a very powerful demon).

Darn it, I cannot find the article I read about a behemoth being a demon, shapeshifting cat thingy, and a search for "werecats" only brings up this mention of a behemoth. Maybe an intensive search later might find more, anyways here it is for what its worth:
http://www.therianthropes.com/werecats.htm


In folklore and fantasy fiction, werecats are shapeshifters who are similar to werewolves, except that they turn into some species of feline instead of a wolf. The species involved can be a domestic cat, a tiger, a lion, a leopard, a lynx, or any other type, including some that are purely fantastical felines.

The word "werecat" was not coined until the late 19th century, so it was not directly used in legends from earlier eras, only by later folklorists' commentary.

http://www.therianthropes.com/images/werecats.jpg

* There is not much presence of werecats in European mythology and folklore except the famous black cats which were once described as familiar or imps, lesser demons that would serve witches during the Middle-Ages.

* Bast or Bastet is a famous Egyptian Goddess.

* In “The master and Margarita”, the Devil is accompanied by several demons including the mischievous, gun-happy, fast-talking black cat Behemoth (Бегемот, a subversive Puss in Boots) who shapeshift from man to cat according to circumstances.
* Weretigers are predominent in Asia, Weretigers in India, Werelions in Africa and wereleopards in South America

[strt]

http://www.therianthropes.com/images/werecats.jpg

Is this 'disco stick'? Another one?

[strt]

http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/sekhmet2.htm
The lion-headed goddess Sekhmet (Sakhmet, Sekhet) was a...


http://sekhetmaat.com/
A chartered local body of Ordo Templi Orientis.
http://sekhetmaat.com/wiki/images/Sekhet-maat_lamen.gif

http://www.sekhetbastra.org/
Sekhet Bast Ra Ordo Templi Orientalis Oklahoma City

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haha um, i don't know that much about it as far as previous incarnations, i was under the impression it was more of a sexual fetish

Interesting.

Let's hear your fantasy....er, I mean your theory then! :D :p

Speaking of shape-shifting "werecats" reminded me that I once read something about an ancient demon that goes by the name of a behemoth (sp?) which is said to shape-shift into an evil killer cat.

I will watch the video clip then go see what I can dig up.

You've got me thinking about classic movies from the 40s and 50s like 'Cat People' and 'Night of the Demon' now.

http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/sekhmet2.htm
The lion-headed goddess Sekhmet (Sakhmet, Sekhet) was a...


http://sekhetmaat.com/
A chartered local body of Ordo Templi Orientis.
http://sekhetmaat.com/wiki/images/Sekhet-maat_lamen.gif

http://www.sekhetbastra.org/
Sekhet Bast Ra Ordo Templi Orientalis Oklahoma City

Good links strt.

OTO and Sekhmet?

I'm shocked! :eek: ;) :p

[biblegirl]

http://sekhetmaat.com/
A chartered local body of Ordo Templi Orientis.
http://sekhetmaat.com/wiki/images/Sekhet-maat_lamen.gif


good find there

[size_of_light]

Just thinking out loud with this one...

If man originally communicated telepathically, and was then interfered with, and made to verbalise language, as some scholars claim, then I'm thinking that the earliest words we probably would have been taught to speak would be akin to babies first uttering "Mumma" or "Dadda", only with the names of gods replacing those for parents, since they would have been the ones originally teaching us how to talk.

Make sense?

With the above in mind, I'm wondering if a lot of words that subsequently developed as our vocabulary expanded and which touch upon fundamentally important concepts to the human experience don't also have their roots in the names of these gods, since that would be a logical way for them to further imprint their power and influence on humanity as it continued to grow in awareness.

Looking at Sekhmet and the English language here (and keeping it simple by putting etymological origins aside, since the same idea could also be applied to the root words anyway) let's speculate that a number of essential words in the English language could have sprung out of the Sk sound contained in her name.

A few examples that come to mind:

- Sex/Sexual etc
- Sacred/Sacrament etc.
- Secret
- Sky
- Sanctuary
- Skull
- Scar
- Skill

All those words are labeling things that are pretty rudimentary to humans, and all contain that distinct Sk sound.

There's probably a lot more if I thought about it further, and also many other words of increasing complexity of thought, like sacral (sacral chakra), section/segment, Sanskrit etc.

[strt]

Make sense?

A lot. My jaw dropped right now :eek:

[size_of_light]

A lot. My jaw dropped right now :eek:

Haha, that just reminded me of another one - scared.

[size_of_light]

Speaking of shape-shifting "werecats" reminded me that I once read something about an ancient demon that goes by the name of a behemoth (sp?) which is said to shape-shift into an evil killer cat.

I will watch the video clip then go see what I can dig up.


You've got me thinking about classic movies from the 40s and 50s like 'Cat People' and 'Night of the Demon' now.

Looking back on this, I don't know exactly why what you said had me thinking of these movies :D , but since I mentioned it, here are some short clips.

Great films. Very poetic and evocative.

From Cat People (1942)

Dream Sequence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvCSnOX_QsY&feature=related

The Panther Lady Attacks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWboox9-CsQ&feature=related

The opening to Night of the Demon (1957) (aka Curse of the Demon in the US):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4PnxGDduuU&feature=related

[mynameis]

An aegis is made from dragon-like scale skin. This could be literal or made of plates of metal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Douris_cup_Jason_Vatican_16545.jpg

Athena's aegis, bearing the Gorgon, here resembles closely the skin of the huge serpent who guards the golden fleece (regurgitating Jason); cup by Douris, Classical Greece, early fifth century BC -

There also is the origin myth that represents the ægis as a fire-breathing chthonic monster similar to the Chimera, which was slain and flayed by Athena, who afterward wore its skin as a cuirass (Diodorus Siculus iii. 70), or as a chlamys. The Douris cup shows that the aegis was represented exactly as the skin of the guardian serpent, with its scales clearly delineated. Often the aegis is described as the bag in which Athene carried her shield and the serpent who was her son.

John Tzetzes says[6] that it was the skin of the monstrous giant Pallas whom Athena overcame and whose name she attached to her own.

Pergamon Altar
The most ancient of the Titans and Hellenes were depicted with snakelike legs as if they were Naga.

http://thumb1.webshots.net/t/22/23/3/45/55/221934555FCfVSy_th.jpg
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1221934555061830061FCfVSy

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Mythology/Images/ZeusGiants.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5a/Aegis_of_Isis_-_Sudan_300s_bc_-_British_Museum_-_83d40m.JPG/300px-Aegis_of_Isis_-_Sudan_300s_bc_-_British_Museum_-_83d40m.JPG
Aegis on an image of Isis from the Nubian culture of the 4th century bc found in contemporary Sudan - British Museum

In the Greek snakes were depicted as followers of Gaia:

In mythology, people born straight from the earth, with no human parents, see Autochthon (ancient Greece)

Cecrops, (Kékrōps) was a mythical king of Athens. The name is not of Greek origin according to Strabo[1], or it might mean 'face with a tail': it is said that, born from the earth itself, he had his top half shaped like a man and the bottom half in serpent or fish-tail form. He was the founder and the first king of Athens itself, though preceded in the region by the earth-born king Actaeus of Attica. Cecrops was a culture hero, teaching the Athenians marriage, reading and writing, and ceremonial burial.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/C%C3%A9crops_Meyers.png/250px-C%C3%A9crops_Meyers.png

This makes speculation about the relationship of those Olympians and the Titans being synonymous with one another all born of Gaia through Uranus and Gaia.

The idea of the Sekhmet may be a summation of fear from the natural world. These are imagery that are dangers and wonders to be feared in nature. Snakes, Lions, Bats etc...

[2013]

Looking back on this, I don't know exactly why what you said had me thinking of these movies :D , but since I mentioned it, here are some short clips.

Great films. Very poetic and evocative.

From Cat People (1942)

Dream Sequence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvCSnOX_QsY&feature=related

The Panther Lady Attacks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWboox9-CsQ&feature=related

The opening to Night of the Demon (1957) (aka Curse of the Demon in the US):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4PnxGDduuU&feature=related

Was going to post this tune originally but didn't bother . Just watched inglorious basterds . bowie remake of the song Cat People .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_i0n4gTkLA
it played as actress prepared for movie premier in Red Dress , lipstick, nail varnish , as Chapter Five: Revenge of the Giant Face section of movie begins .
Bowie sang the song for the remake of the cat people movie originally .I think this was the scene playing when cat people song was on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkvXsLGAxqY&feature=related
Found this with a google search referring to the Giant face and how the chapter unfolds in the movie

Spoiler Alert

in case anyone hasn't seen the movie
http://blog.brightlightsfilm.com/2009/08/anima-animus-revenge-of-giant-face.html
I wanted to talk about what is probably the film's most memorable image, the ghostly black and white close-up of Mélanie Laurent as the French-Jewish heroine, Shosanna, projected amidst the smoke and flames of the film's climactic chapter, "Revenge of the Giant Face."

It invokes - consciously, no doubt - two of the most memorable anima and animus images in cinema: Brigitte Helm as the robotic "False Maria" (top) at the moment she is finally engulfed by flames in Fritz Lang's Metropolis (1926), and Frank Morgan as "The Great and Powerful Oz" (bottom) terrifying Dorothy and her friends in The Wizard of Oz (1939). Oz's giant face is also, as it happens, a projected image, a creation of smoke and mirrors.

An anima or animus is another kind of projection. Whether god, goddess, vampire, witch, mermaid, faery, beast, devil, golem, or other paranormal entity, our animi give form to aspects of the human psyche that are larger than life, transcendent, the stuff of legend.:D

[christ4life]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=302B_v2NLwA

When I saw this concert on youtube something didn't sit right with me. Then I read this thread, and found out who Sekhmet is then it seemed that Beyonce is clearly portraying this entity.

[glitter]

So does this mean that egyptian reiki healing is basically calling on healing from sekhmet??

And is the person who channels and recieves this type of healing, unaware that they are working for the dark forces?!



http://www.insightandinspiration.com/egyptianskhm.html

[biblegirl]

So does this mean that egyptian reiki healing is basically calling on healing from sekhmet??

And is person who channels and recieves this type of healing, unaware that they are working for the dark forces?!



http://www.insightandinspiration.com/egyptianskhm.html

very interesting link, they are definitely connecting the healing process to this goddess

When she awoke she had lost her blood thirsty nature and become the gentle Hathor.

maybe their view is that she is "okay" now that she is gentle ??

[glitter]

yes I did wonder if she's a reformed character now?!

Or is their overall plan to decieve people by preaching love and light (false light!) ??

http://www.welcomethelight.com/tag/mother-sekhmet/

And in this link apparently sekhmet and sananda have teamed up now! I read some where about false ascended masters and sananda (who goes by the name jesus) was listed as one of them.

[masonicboom]

In my foolishness I had taken form of a mortal man
And entered time to live amongst humanity, born of my tears
But now they have turned against me and my descendants
They overthrow the temples and curse my name

No, I return to the city of the sun
There enthroned gouge out my eye
Terrible is m pain, horrifying are my cries
Dreadful is my towering rage

All my fierce passions cause my torn eye
To take shape as a fearsome lioness
With teeth and claws that ache to rend flesh
Heedless of the blood that courses down my cheek
Sekhmet, the might I name nee
And Nesert who is a burning flame

Then the terrible roar of Sekhmet sounds forth

Flee from me humanity though it availeth thee not
Hide in the deserts and the mountains
Let fear grow in your hearts
For I am vengeance and bloody death

With terrible wrath
Shall I now go forth out into the two lands
To slay the gathered armies of man
Not one shall stand alive where I have been

Hide in the deserts and the mountains
Let fear grow in your hearts
For I am vengeance and bloody death
As I rend the very flesh from their bones

I will wade in human blood and drink my fill
For the joy of killing gladdens my heart

[ladygoogoo]

If you don't want anything to do with Sekhmet, that's probably just fine with HER.

Based on that rather poor translation of Egyptian to English perhaps we should
send her wrath against BP????
Could prove useful against NWO, no?

[masonicboom]

If you don't want anything to do with Sekhmet, that's probably just fine with HER.

Based on that rather poor translation of Egyptian to English perhaps we should
send her wrath against BP????
Could prove useful against NWO, no?

Poor Translation ??

It's actually a song by the band NILE, so i assume it was written in english.

From their album "Ithyphallic"
:)

[taustrike]

Sekhmet
And the Near Destruction of Mankind

http://www.lesvampires.org/mirrorsportal/sekhmet.html

There was a time in ancient Egypt where humans entered into a conspiracy to overthrow the Gods. They blasphemed against Ra, king of Gods and men, and heretical priests and magicians plotted ways to turn against the Gods for their destruction, using those very powers the Gods had given to men that they might flourish and grow great upon the earth. Ra, hearing of this plan, called to meet with him the most ancient and potent Deities, those who had been with him in the primeval waters before the time when with his eye, the sun, he had made life. The Gods counseled together and it was decided that Sekhmet, the force against which no other force avails, would appear on the earth and quell the rebellion. Sekhmet would manifest and punish all those who had held in their minds evil images and imagined wicked plots.

Then Sekhmet walked among men and destroyed them and drank their blood. Night after night Sekhmet waded in blood, slaughtering humans, tearing and rending their bodies, and drinking their blood. The other Gods decided that the slaughter was enough and should stop, but they could find no way to stop Sekhmet, who was drunk on human blood. As the carnage went on, the Gods recognized that Sekhmet, Her rage sustained by intoxication, would implacably proceed with the killing until the last human life had been extinguished.

Then Ra had brought to him from Elephantine certain plants which have been said to be the Solanaceae family and which can be brewed as powerful mind-altering drugs. Those plants, and possibly also opium or hemp, were sent to the God Sekti at Heliopolis. Sekti added these drugs to a mixture of beer and also human blood, until seven thousand great jugs of the substance had been made. The jars were taken to a place where Sekhmet would pass and there were poured out onto the ground, inundating the fields for a great distance. And when Sekhmet came to these fields and perceived what She thought to be blood, She rejoiced and drank all of the liquid. Then "Her heart was filled with joy," Her mind was changed, and She thought no more of destroying mankind.

"After that, Ra addressed Sekhmet as the One Who Comes in Peace, praising the beauty and charm of the Goddess." Sekhmet is the goddess most often depicted with the head of a lioness, occasionally with the sun disk. There are more large statues of Sekhmet than of any other deity. Like many deities, the Goddess Sekhmet manifested in many different aspects. She is the bringer of disease and the Great One of Healing. She is the Goddess of War and the Goddess of Love. She is also an underworld deity, known for her destructive tendencies. She has the power to completely destroy not only human bodies, but also their souls - total destruction. She, additionally, is the protector of the dead in the underworld. Some authors have suggested a connection between Sekhmet and kundalini energy.

To become an initiate in the temple of Sekhmet, candidates were actually put to a ritualised "death" where they had to deal with its horrors. These horrors included facing "fiends and vampires". Those who did not succeed in overcoming their fears, if they survived, were disqualified. Her priests and priestesses were considered to be extremely powerful - both as physicians and as practitioners of magick who had the power to destroy and command demons.

The demons of Egypt were divided into two categories: those that serve Sekhmet and those that are of the underworld. Sekhmet’s demons were dispatched to send disease, chaos and pestilence. The demons of the underworld were considered to be worse as they stole body parts from the dead and would eat the hearts of the unworthy. Sekhmet was named the Avenger of Wrongs, and the Scarlet Lady, a reference to blood, and thus also seen as ruling over menstruation. Celebrations for Sekhmet included wild orgies, which earned her the additional titles of Great Harlot and Lady of the Scarlet-Coloured Garments. Those celebrations also included the drinking of the exact substance given to Sekhmet to quench her thirst - sans the blood according to several authors.

This telling of the myth was taken from the walls of the tomb of Seti and unfortunately is the only known version that discusses the blood lust of Sekhmet. Much information has been lost. Of the goddess' four thousand names only a few hundred have survived. In those names that have come down to us, there are a few interesting hints of a connection between Sekhmet and vampirism: Lady of Transformations, Enrapturing One, Giver of Ecstasies, Mother of the Dead, Lady of the Bloodbath, Devouring One, and Terrible One.

A Hymn of Sekhmet

Mine is a heart of carnelian, crimson as murder on a holy day.
Mine is a heart of corneal, the gnarled roots of a dogwood and the
bursting of flowers.
I am the broken wax seal on my lover's letters.
I am the phoenix, the fiery sun, consuming and resuming myself.
I will what I will.
Mine is a heart of carnelian, blood red as the crest of a phoenix.

Source: "The Goddess Sekhmet, Psycho-Spiritual Exercises of the Fifth Way" by Robert Masters

http://www.lesvampires.org/mirrorsportal/sekhmet.html

sounds like the story line for stargate, that show had always fasinated me.

[magicalfairy]

Every time I come to this site, I realize how much I really don't know. It's very humbling.