Today I reclaimed consent to be Governed

[john white]

Hi all

As I hinted last week I have been brewing a course of action recently, and today I put it into effect

I met with the Electoral Officer for my Council and served the following Notice on her... there are some minor and obvious edits of personal information in this web version

John of the White Family
C/O MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE
**************
Malvern _ _ _ _ _ _ _

11th of November 2009

NOTICE OF RECLAMATION OF CONSENT TO BE GOVERNED

I request and require all those who read this Notice to accept this Notice as a Notice. Notification of one Branch of government is de facto Notification of them all

I am John of the White Family, a free human being on the land. I count the lands known as "England" and "Wales" to be mine to inhabit by right of birthright

Through registration of my birth by my parents, and creation of social contract on behalf of myself, I understand that I am the authorised agent for the Legal Entity known as "MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE" National Insurance number _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

I understand "MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE" to be my vessel for the purpose of acting in commerce. I understand that Parliament uses statutory Instruments to create Acts that set rules "MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE" must follow as I use that vessel to engage in commerce and facilitate my life as a human being. I understand that these rules apply to MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE because I consent, through contract, to be governed. I understand that Acts of Parliament and other Statutory Instruments are given the Force of Law through the consent of the governed. This is a social contract. I understand the governed have the right to withdraw consent because they are Free Human Beings, and I am also a Free Human Being

I Understand that as a Free Human Being I can withdraw my consent at any time from any contract I might make. The ability to withdraw consent, the ability to say "No", are fundamental for one to be in a state that can be considered Free. If one cannot withdraw consent then one is thereby enslaved. As a Human being I have the right not to be enslaved

It has come to my attention that, possibly at the beginning of December 2009, the sovereignty of the British Parliament is to be transferred to the European Union as a result of the signing of the Lisbon Treaty by all required parties. It is my understanding that, if I consent to contract to said transfer of sovereignty, I agree that my vessel in commerce "MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE" will be bound by statutes and legislations of the European Union

I understand that in a Democracy it is a fundamental expectation that, as a Government governs with the consent of the governed, it maintains consent with the decisions it wishes to make. This is normally considered to be received by receiving electoral consent at a General Election based on presenting a programme of policies and manifesto pledges.

The Current Labour Government of the UK started it's current term of Office having made a solemn pledge the British people would decide whether or not Britain should sign the European Constitution through a National Referendum. I understand that to mean the British People were pledged they would decide whether sovereignty of these lands would be transferred out of these lands. By doing so, the current Labour government clearly surrendered any mandate to transfer sovereignty and placed the responsibility for that decision into the hands of the governed, also known as the Electorate. At that time, I was a member of the electorate through my vessel MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE. Following the defeat of the then European Constitution in other European countries referendums, the European Constitution was repackaged as "the Lisbon Treaty". The Labour government then said, in line with the position of the European Union, that although the Lisbon Treaty did transfer sovereignty from these lands it was not the same document as the European Constitution and therefore did not require the empowerment of a mandate via national referendum

I consider this action to be potentially legal but certainly unlawful. As a free human being I am not required to accept unlawful actions as lawful even if they are legal. I understand unlawful actions cannot be legal even if a Government claims unlawful actions are legal. This action by the Labour Government was an unlawful breach of contract with the legal person of "MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE", and by extension, an unlawful breach of contract with myself, the human being John of the White family

As a result, when MP's of all parties voted to pass the Lisbon treaty in Spring 2009 they did so without the required consent of the governed. No Political party was elected to office with a mandate to legislate away British sovereignty, least of the the governing Labour Party, which had made clear at the election it did not have or seek that mandate through General Election. I understand this to be a betrayal of public trust, to be unlawful, and to potentially be treasonable. As the Government acted without a mandate to demonstrate the consent of the governed the contract with the governed is broken

I understand that I have the option to withdraw my consent from contract to be governed when the Government has broken that contract. I understand I have lawful cause to do so to protect my status as a free human being

I understand that consenting to register as an elector is contractually how I consent to be governed. Whether I do or do not choose to use my allocated vote, by registering I consent to be governed by the winning party of said election

Based on my understanding, I therefore no longer consent to register on the Register of Electors. I understand this is not a criminal offence to do so as I do not consent to be governed and thus statute law is inapplicable. I withdraw all consent and all assumed consent to be governed. The government of the UK does not act with my consent from this moment forward until further notice, and the government of the European Union cannot act with my consent as it has not received it. Therefore I am not a European Citizen and, whilst remaining in honour, am not bound by any European Law

I declare to all human beings around me that I will continue to act lawfully within the common law and good spiritual values at all times, acting as myself, the human being known as John of the White family. I swear that I will not knowingly tell untruth, will not Steal and will not cause Harm in accordance with living harmoniously with my fellow human beings

I hereby give 14 days for reply to Notice this Notice. If no reply is received, I will consider this notice accepted, and my withdrawal of consent to be governed uncontested

John of the White Family




LIMITED APPEARANCE ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

Obviously the 14 day schedule is now active

I've followed this action up by writing to various personages Notifying them of my Notice... the MP and MEP for this area, Parlimentary Candidates, the leader of the council, the chief of Police, Gordon Brown and the Queen

I've also organised a public talk here in Malvern for Thursday the 26th November, with some of the above named personally invited as well as putting the word out to local contacts. The talk will be called "Reclaim Consent: The Brave New World is here: where are You?" The aim is to Video it of course and make it available on the net afterwards

And I have started a face book group called "Reclaim Consent", which hopefully this is a link for:)

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=210156541153&ref=mf

There is much to do of course, I'm going to be very busy, but I'm delighted to be able to share this info with you all and hopefully you will find it interesting

John

[martg]

good on you John, please keep us informed
Mart

[oddblock]

Yes please John, that's a fantastic bit of work you've done there! Please keep us informed as to the response... :cool:

[mrs houdini]

Hi John,
Good for you please keep us informed as to what happens.
Love and Peace,
Linda :)

[john white]

I certainly will :) The support is much appreciated:)

I'm actively preparing for the talk between now and a week Thursday, I'm certainly creatively inspired and it's great to have made the space to create the opportunity, I hope to give everyone something that will inform and inspire and hopefully be very communicable to others... most especially those who have never heard of David Icke, Freemen on the land or the NWO.. so more on that as it happens... as it should be as Human Freedom is far far bigger than that!

In the meanwhile, does anyone have any questions or comments about the Notice itself or anything arising from it?

[yozhik]

John ... nicely worded Notice.
Good work.

Would you have any issues if it was used as a form of template for the same Notice from others?

[mrs houdini]

Yes John,
Would you mind if anyone else used your notice.
Love and Peace,
Linda :D

[jimmi]

John, are you already a freeman on the land who has a notarised NOUICOR, (I think you are)

If you are already a freeman what is the purpose of you doing this?

Could I copy what you have detailed above and then I wouldn't have to do my own nouicor?

I haven't registered as an elector and earlier this year that was enough to satisfy the police that traffic statutes did not apply to me anymore:D when they came to get me that was the reason I gave for me not having tax,mot etc and they just walked away, so I have been thinking that maybe all it takes to 'opt out' of the system, as most of us here want, I would say, is simply not register.

[injustice]

Thanks John. Subscribing.

[21_12_2012]

John, are you already a freeman on the land who has a notarised NOUICOR, (I think you are)

If you are already a freeman what is the purpose of you doing this?

Could I copy what you have detailed above and then I wouldn't have to do my own nouicor?

I haven't registered as an elector and earlier this year that was enough to satisfy the police that traffic statutes did not apply to me anymore:D when they came to get me that was the reason I gave for me not having tax,mot etc and they just walked away, so I have been thinking that maybe all it takes to 'opt out' of the system, as most of us here want, I would say, is simply not register.

That's an interesting statement.
Do you think the police might have got confused and thought you meant you were actually a freeman on the land (meaning you had already sent your nouicor) ?

Also, if this is actually all that is needed to 'opt-out' of the system, would that same human being be then not entitled to state benefits after merely removing their name from the elector's register ?

I ask this because several people I know, plus myself, are not on 'the list' now, having crossed our names off and sent the forms back unsigned, however, a couple of friends claim benefits after being removed from the list, would that be classed as theft ?!

Edit:- Excellent notice by the way John, well done.

[jimmi]

When I started looking into this stuff, about a year ago, I was inspired by the simple truth(s), the 'person', 'understand', my God given rights and how I've been tricked out of them, then months of digging away for info that took me further and further away from the simple truth of it all. Everything gets too legalese doesn't it?

So back to that question......can it be as simple as just not registering on the electoral roll?

[john white]

Hi all, lots of interesting replies :)

Firstly, I've made my Notice available for others to read so I'm not going to kid myself I can "control" what others do with it, and if it works for you as a template do what feels right... however I'm not presenting it as such

For a notice to be successful it is not just about the notice, but the understanding behind the notice. A notice of understanding without the understanding could badly trip people up. The reason I wrote my own rather than use a template was exactly so I could be sure I completely understood my Notice... therefore I'd recommend anyone to have a go at writing their own notice first, and if that proves to be difficult then look at other notices that could be used as templates or provide inspiration to inform your own. I wrote a first draft and then re-read it several times over the course of a couple of days polishing it up, running it past a couple of friends to get their input. The most important things are consistency of terms, demonstrating understanding (in both senses) and completeness within the document (a complete statement of position without excessive repetition, the "four corner" rule), and avoiding anger or sarcasm (vexation/frivolity could stop a notice "dead", robbing it of lawful energy)

As a matter of fact I'm not a notarised NOUICOR, although Malvern is, I went a certain amount down that route but didn't take it to the finish precisely because I didn't feel I quite understood it and it wasn't quite "me"... fortunately I've found a route that is me now:)

Whether or not it is as simple as "not registering to vote" is something my Notice is testing at this moment... the understanding that registering to vote is contracting to be governed is part of my notice, so if its going to be counter noticed within the 14 days and there is an argument against that I'm going to be hearing it. I certainly think its a powerful case and that registration = contract.

I doubt however it's a simple as simply not bothering to register... rather than indicating reclaimed consent, that indicates a defaulted contract! I do feel that a notice declaring understanding of why one is not consenting is far more powerful, lawfully speaking, most specifically because one firmly remains in honour by doing so :)

[john white]

I ask this because several people I know, plus myself, are not on 'the list' now, having crossed our names off and sent the forms back unsigned, however, a couple of friends claim benefits after being removed from the list, would that be classed as theft ?!

Not to miss this interesting point

I would not immediately say so on the basis that claiming benefits is simply an act of using ones vessel in commerce... the granting, or not, of benefits is based on cashflow in commerce first and foremost... if the vessel is doing enough commerce it doesn't qualify for benefits, if it isnt, it does...

However that's not to say a conflict might not arise... that's an unknown and might happen... if it did, negotiation is the next step... and if the position taken was that benefits were stopped because of removal to consent to be governed, then the next step would be to submit a claim of harm to the human on the basis of suffering through lack and ask for common law remedy to that... also some "benefits" are allowances, and those are liberties, but some are benefits, and those are RIGHTS.. we are in the habit of calling them all "benefits" but that obscures that important difference

[brainfreeze]

John, I don't mean to be rude, but that kinda sounds like saying, "I don't want to be part of your gang, I want to opt out, but, in times of trouble your gang better help me out, or else..."

You don't want to be part of a governed tax paying community, but you want the financial benefits that community gets because it's your human right?

[john white]

John, I don't mean to be rude, but that kinda sounds like saying, "I don't want to be part of your gang, I want to opt out, but, in times of trouble your gang better help me out, or else..."

You don't want to be part of a governed tax paying community, but you want the financial benefits that community gets because it's your human right?

I'm just being helpful approaching the question:) I don't believe I said anything about personal desires:)

If I did I would say I desire a society where care for the human is the first and foremost duty of government. If somebody is suffering and cannot eat, does not have a home and cannot care for themselves because they cannot engage in commerce they should be helped. It's not that many years ago where people in that position were left to starve, and that's still the case across much of the world today. Even when that started to change in the UK the poor were broken up as families and forced into dehumanising workhouses to slave for food with little hope of improving their situation.. that only altered with the liberal government's of 1905 and 1910, and there was almighty social unrest securing a basic benefit system between those years

But if your asking me about my commitment to freedom, if absolute poverty is what it takes to uphold my sovereign freedom as a human being manifested on this planet by the will of God, I can assure you I will endure and survive :)

However fear of personal suffering is part of the fear that collectively holds us back, and very likely is a factor that might hold people back into passively consenting rather than following the path of their conscience... so its not unreasonable to say that even in the "worst case scenario" there are potential options

[john white]

Oh also the point about an allowance being different from a benefit is that an allowance is funded from the treasury but a benefit is funded from the bond... it wasnt a point about a benefit being a human right, but that the benefit is funded from the bond that one's vessel in commerce has joinder to... the government is the guardian of the bond, but really that means the civil service not the government of the day... so really that would be a claim of right by the legal person not the human, and contract to be governed could be viewed as seperated from the ability to act in commerce

[merlincove]

Nice one john, an articulate notice indeed :D

Good luck with the talk my friend, i look forward to seeing the vid as i doub't i'll be able to make it to malvern, altho if perchance i do, i'll see you there.

You can buy me a beer ;)

:D

[the worm that turned]

This is a very interesting post and well done John :) You clearly understand your path and are walking the walk. I have hundreds of questions for you but here are just a few if you have the time to answer:

1 - Did you have the document witnessed (i.e. proof that it was you that wrote and signed it)?

2 - Did you receive any proof of receipt that your notice was delivered (other than with your eyes)?

3 - Did you display your notice anywhere in addition to handing it over e.g. town hall, church, council office during the 14 day period?

4 - Do you have any idea of what rights the Government (in their opinion) might consider they can remove from you, and if so what do you intend to do if they attempt to?

5 - If you own the title to a house do you intend to claim FULL lawful ownership of the land and title and negate any acts that apply to it? If so, how do you intend to do this?

6 - Have you set up a fee-schedule of any type to prevent anyone attempting to take away your inalienable rights?

7 - What do you intend to do about your Private Conveyance that you might be using with respect to taxation, MOTs, driving licence, insurance, stops by police, traffic wardens etc?

8 - Do you intend to have ALL contracts that are currently in the name of MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE put into your lawful free human being name?

9 - Do you have any plans for your bond?

10 - Are you aware of any legislated rights that could be removed by removing your consent to be governed (e.g. free healthcare, or do you feel this is a human right i.e. not a person's rights)?


These are all q's that are on my mind and would need to be covered by any notice I provided. That is not to say that further notices cannot be provided!

My intention was to do something similar but using affidavits that are notarised and then publicised. Not 100% sure how to make these public but I guess postage to prominent people, town halls, church halls, council buildings AND the posting of an individual, free to access web page called www.THE_WORM_THAT_TURNED_AFFIDAVITS_OF_TRUTH.com

Cheers twtt :)

[john white]

This is a very interesting post and well done John :) You clearly understand your path and are walking the walk. I have hundreds of questions for you but here are just a few if you have the time to answer:

I'll do my best

1 - Did you have the document witnessed (i.e. proof that it was you that wrote and signed it)?

Yes I took a witness with me, the notice was signed in the presence of the electoral officer by both myself and my witness on both pages (in ran to 2 pages so both need signing, 4 corner rule). The electoral officer was invited to sign it as well but declined the invitation

It's worth pointing out the electoral officer clearly understood lawful and legal and offered no conflict. She did ask me a couple of testing questions, but she could clearly see I had understanding, so she did the only thing she should of done and accepted the Notice. Actually I feel she rather liked it:)

2 - Did you receive any proof of receipt that your notice was delivered (other than with your eyes)?

3 - Did you display your notice anywhere in addition to handing it over e.g. town hall, church, council office during the 14 day period?

Tackling these together I didnt consider a reciept nessacary taken with the fact of the witness, the letters I then sent out with copies of the notice, and the upcoming public talk. Arguing that I never served the notice is going to struggle to get very far

4 - Do you have any idea of what rights the Government (in their opinion) might consider they can remove from you, and if so what do you intend to do if they attempt to?

Well if we consider potential consequences they are many! I cant predict what the government may do or attempt to do... kill me nut me off or imprison me are the obvious ones, deportation perhaps... as is respect me with care :) Whatever happens I will continue to be the lawful owner of my own consent

5 - If you own the title to a house do you intend to claim FULL lawful ownership of the land and title and negate any acts that apply to it? If so, how do you intend to do this?

I don't own property... or a contract of debt secured on a property. The timing is fortunate for me in that I lawfully resolved all my remnant debts earlier this year, I have a contract to pay a small amount to the court office for a little over 2 years still to run but I cant see that being interfered with

6 - Have you set up a fee-schedule of any type to prevent anyone attempting to take away your inalienable rights?

Not at this point, I wouldn't wish to pre-empt a reaction, however if I feel the need I will serve Notice of fee schedule

7 - What do you intend to do about your Private Conveyance that you might be using with respect to taxation, MOTs, driving licence, insurance, stops by police, traffic wardens etc?

I don't use a conveyance.. if I did I would serve claim of ownership on the DVLA

8 - Do you intend to have ALL contracts that are currently in the name of MR JOHN LEONARD WHITE put into your lawful free human being name?

I may do that on a case by case basis, but generally I see no impediment to continuing to use my vessel in commerce: its mine after all:)

9 - Do you have any plans for your bond?

Not at this time: I have reservations about the commercial redemption route and feel the bond is best left alone. Specifically I feel those using commercial redemption have to be very very careful not to entrap themselves into fraud

10 - Are you aware of any legislated rights that could be removed by removing your consent to be governed (e.g. free healthcare, or do you feel this is a human right i.e. not a person's rights)?

These would be areas for negotiation if conflict arose... if I break my leg or become seriously ill I doubt at the moment I would be refused treatment on the basis of reclaiming consent to be governed... and it would be quite the publicity gift if I was. That could change under the EU of course but only becuase all free health care could be on the way out... if its cash you get treated no cash you dont, then the human is no different from the person


These are all q's that are on my mind and would need to be covered by any notice I provided. That is not to say that further notices cannot be provided!

The pen is mightier than the sword:)

My intention was to do something similar but using affidavits that are notarised and then publicised. Not 100% sure how to make these public but I guess postage to prominent people, town halls, church halls, council buildings AND the posting of an individual, free to access web page called www.THE_WORM_THAT_TURNED_AFFIDAVITS_OF_TRUTH.com

Cheers twtt :)

Well I've covered a full spread of individuals and where appropriate in their capacity as.... whatever that might be. It basically comes down to telling people about it, and its up to them if they Notice the Notice or not... don't mind if they do and certainly don't mind if they don't:)

One thing is certain, and that's that no-one is going to be able to call the Notice anything else than a Notice:)

[smoke n mirrors]

Very interesting OP and following posts. The momentum certainly seems to be building, thanks to everyones willingness to share ideas and information.

.

[malvern]

yes when you met with the lady from local government, electoral officer, and read out the notice to her, she did find herself understanding your views ........

ps where did you get such a good looking witness :D





freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[21_12_2012]

Brilliant info, thanks John.
I'm looking into this stuff more and more, lots to learn.

[john white]

Posters for the talk got done today:) spreading them around town tomorrow

Reclaim Consent: The Brave New World is here: Where are you?


A talk by Malvern Philosopher John White

Thursday 26th November, Graham Room, Great Malvern Hotel

Meet from 7 talk starts 7:30

[vladmir]

wow!!! great stuff John and the guys who replied in this thread.

[malvern]

hi john , i will come to your talk on the 26th and if it's ok by you i would like to film the event .......so that everyone may have the chance to see the talk.



freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

[micklemus]

Nice one John - good luck

[platform7]

Great Stuff keep up the good work
And Malvern that good looking witness mate I wasn't there :D

[mossdog]

hi john

how much does it cost to attend your talk ???

[john white]

The talk is free, the hotel would like to sell some beer so be friendly if you come along, and ofc the Vid will be up for free too on the usual sites

[asky]

Whats the talk about john?

asky

[john white]

Whats the talk about john?

asky

A course of action:

Reclaim Consent

A statement of fact:

The Brave New World is here

And a question:

Where are you?

[asky]

Thank You

asky

[frton]

I very much like to do the same but still have only basic knowledge.

Later when finish spiritual analog of this - freedom from corrupted lower self that powers of illusion replaced our true self and thus rule us then if necessary I'll start this too.
I wonder what will be when really free.. Amazing ...


Godspeed ~

[john white]

I very much like to do the same but still have only basic knowledge.

Later when finish spiritual analog of this - freedom from corrupted lower self that powers of illusion replaced our true self and thus rule us then if necessary I'll start this too.
I wonder what will be when really free.. Amazing ...


Godspeed ~

You know what you know:)

It starts there

[girlgye]

hi john , i will come to your talk on the 26th and if it's ok by you i would like to film the event .......so that everyone may have the chance to see the talk.



freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

I think I might come to John's conference.
Cough cough.

[john white]

Hi all. The complete speech is now written, about 2 hours worth, here is a sneek peak at one section:)

I'm quite excited about doing this one

Lawful and Legal

These two words would certainly be considered by most people to be the same

But they are not, and the difference is both eye opening, reassuring and empowering

Lawful is the behaviour of the human. Lawful behaviour is as old as mankind for it comes from the tribe: from the shared common values that help us all get along agreeably with each other. Lawful behaviour is the behaviour of a free adult human being. It is very simple

Do not lie. Do not steal. Do not harm

Whenever we hear "that behaviour was unlawful" it means somebody or some group lied to someone, stole from someone or harmed someone, either physically or emotionally

Legal is quite different. Legal is the rules set by society regarding trade with each other. It developed from the creation of the first cities, who would post the city laws on the walls of the city so all who entered knew how they were contracting to behave. And this is vital: the legal system is concerned with one thing: contract: although that contract can be hidden in all sorts of ways and only understood to be there by one party, who is not obliged to tell the other. Anything illegal is to do with breach of contract. Get caught speeding in your car or driving while intoxicated? that is a breach of contract with the government via applying for a driving licence: a contract. Of course a lawfully behaving human doesn't need an act of parliament to make them behave: they know excessive speed or intoxication could cause them to crash and do others harm, so why would they do it?

This separation is the foundation of what we know as British justice, and both lawful and legal working together provide the centre of the checks and balances of a free society. Whenever government works solely on the legal, with no provision for the lawful, we get tyranny, and the independence of the judiciary has been there to serve us by preventing just that

Lawful behaviour is the centre of what we know as Common law. We know it as "unwritten law", although this is not, but Common Law is a record of past judgements as reference for the future, with occasional documents stating its implications like the Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights of 1694. It is not rigid rules applied robotically

Common law brings in the human heart to the justice system. It is why for a millennia the accused has had the right to appear before a Jury of his peers: ordinary men and women who decide whether what the person is claimed to have done was right or wrong as well as whether they did it or not. For the hearts and minds of fellow human beings can understand right and wrong in the way that a piece of paper never can

Legal liability is decided by Statute Law: this is all the law passed by parliament as Acts or other statutory devices. A Statute Law is not Law because it is written down: It is Law because it receives the consent of the governed. Implicit in this is the common law understanding that if Statute Law declares something legal, but that statute law violates lawful behaviour (forcing us to lie, steal or harm or otherwise arbitrarily preventing lawful behaviour, such as charity to the needy), then it is declared unlawful. It doesn't matter who says it's legal: if it's unlawful it CANNOT be law, and a dictator trying to impose unlawful behaviour by force must be overthrown for the sake of the freedom of us all. British Judges have confirmed this time and time again... not to say sometimes there hasn't been a need for public pressure to do so... abolishing the slave trade, for example

Lawful and Legal

common Law and Statute law

freedom and liberty

right and privilege

the human and the state

Only by clearly holding understanding of all of these terms and their relationship can any society stay free

Which is sadly where we must start to consider the Brave New World that is here

For there is no Common Law in the European Union, and European law has been placed above all British law

Your going to hear the word's European Union a lot through the rest of this talk, so I want to clarify: I am not saying the European Union is evil. I am not saying Britain is the best Nation in the whole world who deserves to rule all the rest. But I am saying there is a reason British Society has preserved freedom so well over the centuries while other countries have been enslaved in various ways. I'm not saying Britain has been perfect, we have done terrible things, especially in other peoples lands. But this core of freedom from the balance of common law against abuse from the state is what has made Britain so admired by so many, and inspired so many, especially the Founding Fathers of America, who loved that balance so much they encoded it into the very fabric of society in their Constitution: sadly much eroded now from that glorious beginning

I'm not against the idea of the European union. In fact, I love it. I've watched Star Trek, Ive dreamed of the whole world united in peace, working together without war misery poverty and want, with fairness and caring for all. Furthermore I believe, really believe, that we actually can do that, that we actually can get there. I believe humanity can grow up: but only if we can stay human.

I am concerned that the realities of what the European Union really is has been lost in the political noise and spin of the past few decades, that it's been about job's, about fish, about party loyalty, about keeping influence, and not what it will be like for all of us to actually live in for the rest of our lives. I am concerned that so very few people seem to have gained an understanding of what joining the EU, especially with the shameful unlawful politics since 2005, really means, that the treasure of real freedom which has been at the heart of our way of life for 1000 years has been thoughtlessly discarded and forgotten about. I am concerned about so many of our elderly, who suffered so long and gave so much in the world wars to secure freedom for ever more, have been pushed aside by modern society, farmed off and medicated up, so that they have not been able to pass on their golden wisdom to the new generation. And most of all, I am really really concerned that those really in favour of joining the EU seem to have almost no real knowledge of how it works, and know only that its got a better voting system, human rights legislation, and precious little else. I am concerned about a cliff we are collectively being asked to step off without a moments thought

We are talking about The Brave New World, and the EU is not the whole of it, it is a part of it, a product of the way of thinking that has seen the world being bestrided by Transnational Corporations and human beings treated as discardable commodities

But now, as we approach the extra-ordinary change coming on 1st January 2010, now we can finally see the EU for what it actually is, and to describe the EU is to describe the Brave New World all across the planet, whether its the birth of NAFTA or the Pacific Union. From the United Kingdom to New Zealand, the situation is the same, the same processes and pressures shaping the world without the consent of the worlds people

So why is the EU, and the Brave New World, so potentially terrible?

Two words to get us started: Strict Liability

[merlincove]

no ......still had no feed back on the nottingham conference

does anyone out there know.


freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers

i had no idea there was a nottingham conferance, this is right on my doorstep, any news will be appreciated, and i'll dig around later when i get home for info.

:D

[debishop]

@John White,
I have read your recent posts, thanks for the inspiration and thoughts. Any developments on this topic with the electoral officer John?

I have only recently come to discover what you fine people have known for a while.

In the course of writing my truth for my local electoral officer, I have allowed myself to get confused by the fact that my partner sent in our completed registration form a few months back.

I need to stay clear and get some feedback of anything of importance where a form is already submitted please.

I am free and can take back my consent at any time. I only need to communicate from the heart and with love and tell them what I already believe. My partners signature on the form is not a hurdle, my partner does not hold my power of attorney and also the unlawfull threats of fines make me realise they are desperate in their deception.
Strange words 'they' and 'them'!

[yozhik]

In the course of writing my truth for my local electoral officer, I have allowed myself to get confused by the fact that my partner sent in our completed registration form a few months back.

I need to stay clear and get some feedback of anything of importance where a form is already submitted please.


Search for the phrase 'revocation of signature for good cause'.

[john white]

@John White,
I have read your recent posts, thanks for the inspiration and thoughts. Any developments on this topic with the electoral officer John?

I have only recently come to discover what you fine people have known for a while.

In the course of writing my truth for my local electoral officer, I have allowed myself to get confused by the fact that my partner sent in our completed registration form a few months back.

I need to stay clear and get some feedback of anything of importance where a form is already submitted please.

I am free and can take back my consent at any time. I only need to communicate from the heart and with love and tell them what I already believe. My partners signature on the form is not a hurdle, my partner does not hold my power of attorney and also the unlawfull threats of fines make me realise they are desperate in their deception.
Strange words 'they' and 'them'!

Yes, here you are both not consenting to sign the register and removing your current signature. You can easily craft both into a Notice. And in some ways, this is even better, becuase you have a concrete follow up after the reply schedule has expired to confirm they have complied with the Notice they have not contested....

Good to have something to get stuck into, and could even become a local interest news story

As you know I have been rather public with my own notice:)

That's because I really really do mean it:)

[john white]

Search for the phrase 'revocation of signature for good cause'.

What he says:) ^

On the ball as always Yozhik:)

[john white]

I have read your recent posts, thanks for the inspiration and thoughts. Any developments on this topic with the electoral officer John?


Oh and yes, following up the Notice is something I'm preparing at the moment. That I have served it is well known in the town now. But from the authorities not a peep directly. However when our friend Tom served his Notice the same electoral officer directed him to the local council services centre, where everyone pays council tax etc, and the Notice he served there was both signed and stamped by the recieving official after she had read through the whole document and checked with her supervisor about it (I was witness). We now have a precedent where people can reclaim their consent at the council front desk, and we have it on film :)

[debishop]

@ yozhik & jw,

Thanks for the feedback and support. I really appreciate it as all I get when I speak to my family and friends about these issues, is 'that blank stare' (boo hoo hoo) ;).

I would appreciate you both commenting on my posts as I submit them. I am sure I will have questions on 'revocation of signature for good cause', which I intend to start a new thread if the existing posts on this subject do not provide me with answers.

@ jw.

I look forward to updates as you see fit.

[yozhik]

Sorry ... when I suggested you 'search', I meant broader than this forum. ;)

[i.e. start with Google, etc]

[debishop]

understood yozhik, thanks for clarifying

[zhenshanren]

Oh and yes, following up the Notice is something I'm preparing at the moment. That I have served it is well known in the town now. But from the authorities not a peep directly. However when our friend Tom served his Notice the same electoral officer directed him to the local council services centre, where everyone pays council tax etc, and the Notice he served there was both signed and stamped by the recieving official after she had read through the whole document and checked with her supervisor about it (I was witness). We now have a precedent where people can reclaim their consent at the council front desk, and we have it on film :)

Wow, that's inspiring!

Was the woman cordial and understanding the whole way?

[john white]

Wow, that's inspiring!

Was the woman cordial and understanding the whole way?

Well she was quizzical at first but only in the course of seeking to do her job. We had no problems, she read the notice, she understood what it said, we said "we need this signed as we are serving it" and she helped us achieve that.

No bother:)

Oh and Malvern was there too filming it:)

A little bit of the footage is at 4:10 on this one

reclaim consent M J T_.The Brave New World....... - YouTube

[armoured_amazon]

Sorry for bumping an old thread, but thought it better than making a new one. Had some stupid council guy at the door (been avoiding him for weeks but thought it was a client) with a voter registration form. I said I'd think about it as, while my name (in capitals) is halfway down, the letter is addressed to THE OCCUPIER. I'm not sure whether I want to be on the electoral roll for next year. Is it just to give me the right to vote? I don't wish to vote. Nor do I wish to perform jury service. It is against my beliefs. Thoughts? :)

[merlincove]

Sorry for bumping an old thread, but thought it better than making a new one. Had some stupid council guy at the door (been avoiding him for weeks but thought it was a client) with a voter registration form. I said I'd think about it as, while my name (in capitals) is halfway down, the letter is addressed to THE OCCUPIER. I'm not sure whether I want to be on the electoral roll for next year. Is it just to give me the right to vote? I don't wish to vote. Nor do I wish to perform jury service. It is against my beliefs. Thoughts? :)

Try applying for credit without being on the roll, AA - near imposable. OC if credit aint your thang, no worries :D

Credit certainly don't interest me, and i'm not fussed about voting for a party that promises one thing and delivers the opposites.

i really don't see any reason why i should fill in their form, but apparently it is mandatory :rolleyes:

Yep, ok :D

Makes fer nice roach (apparently :rolleyes:) :D

[armoured_amazon]

Try applying for credit without being on the roll, AA - near imposable. OC if credit aint your thang, no worries :D

Credit certainly don't interest me, and i'm not fussed about voting for a party that promises one thing and delivers the opposites.

i really don't see any reason why i should fill in their form, but apparently it is mandatory :rolleyes:

Yep, ok :D

Makes fer nice roach (apparently :rolleyes:) :D

Bwahahaha me getting credit :D :D :D I asked him why it's necessary, if the Council already know I'm living there, which they do. I also asked why it was addressed to the Occupier and not to me.