Ron Paul securing the dollar

[Anders Lindman]

By anchoring the U.S. dollar in real values, the currency will be able to stand on its own and not be vulnerable to attacks PLUS the bankers will not be able to endlessly suck interest on more dollars created as debt to banks.

ALL currencies should be based on actual value, not on a bank debt that only increases the more money is created out of thin air.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

True, but the problem here, is that if they step out of the FED, than people who are getting money from the FED, will lose their money. Which will piss off allot of business owners.

And remember, allot of those business owners are on the republican party, and/or lobbying.

The country needs to completely start over.

[Anders Lindman]

That's correct. Another problem is that many people and governments have a lot of debt. Especially the U.S. government and many American citizens have a lot of debt. That will be a VERY tricky issue for Ron Paul. It's almost as if I wish he would use the U.S. military to enforce that all debt should just be dropped. Not the genuine debt, but the compounded debt for money created out of thin air. That's not a fair debt. That debt should be possible to just remove even if it may be a bit complicated to do in practice.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

That's correct. Another problem is that many people and governments have a lot of debt. Especially the U.S. government and many American citizens have a lot of debt. That will be a VERY tricky issue for Ron Paul. It's almost as if I wish he would use the U.S. military to enforce that all debt should just be dropped. Not the genuine debt, but the compounded debt for money created out of thin air. That's not a fair debt. That debt should be possible to just remove even if it may be a bit complicated to do in practice.

I say, wipe the debt clean.
First, after you've gotten rid of the FED, you then need to create jobs in the US. Get the factories out of asia and all of these other countries, and ahve them made THERE in the US.

Secondly, raise the bar with education. I'm sorry, but as soon as they can read, LEARN YOUR LAWS! That's the first thing. Also, a "critical thinking" class would be nice aswell. And allow homeschooling again. I know Paul would allow that.

[_underscore_]

_underscore_ really likes Ron Paul, but if he does get elected (very unlikely) it would not take long for the powers that be to come up with an assassination and some poor patsy to blame it on.

[Anders Lindman]

_underscore_ really likes Ron Paul, but if he does get elected (very unlikely) it would not take long for the powers that be to come up with an assassination and some poor patsy to blame it on.

If Ron Paul becomes a possible candidate for the final election, then he will need a lot of bodyguards. In fact, I think he already has loads of protection.

[Anders Lindman]

I say, wipe the debt clean.


It's more tricky than that I believe. People who have struggled to become free of debt would think it would be unfair that people with a lot of debt suddenly would be free from the debt without having to do anything.

It would be better if people with debt could convert that debt into essentially interest-free loans. Then they (we) would still have to pay back the loans, but would not need to pay the unfair interest rates.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

It's more tricky than that I believe. People who have struggled to become free of debt would think it would be unfair that people with a lot of debt suddenly would be free from the debt without having to do anything.

It would be better if people with debt could convert that debt into essentially interest-free loans. Then they (we) would still have to pay back the loans, but would not need to pay the unfair interest rates.

I agree with your point on interest-free loans. However, I believe allot of people would start saying that it's too "islamic" to do so.

Then again, people could be educated about the family history of one of the FED owners, who's greatx4 grandfather helped get the vatican to say that a "usery-fee" was completely legal.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Also, I understand that Paul has a stance on education regarding homeschooling. That he does support it. However, my question to that is;
How does he feel about public education?

Will he lower the bar? Raise the bar? Make basic civil rights a manditory class?

[Anders Lindman]

I agree with your point on interest-free loans. However, I believe allot of people would start saying that it's too "islamic" to do so.

Then again, people could be educated about the family history of one of the FED owners, who's greatx4 grandfather helped get the vatican to say that a "usery-fee" was completely legal.

If I take a $10,000 loan, and the bank creates $9,000 out of thin air, then I am willing to pay interest on the $1,000 of the real reserve money the bank lends, but not on the $9,000 part that is created out of thin air. At most I would be willing to pay a one time administrative fee for that. That would hardly be too Islamic.

And getting rid of the entire fractional reserve scam would be the best solution. Then all money would be real money. That's something I hope all religions would approve of.

[_underscore_]

If Ron Paul becomes a possible candidate for the final election, then he will need a lot of bodyguards. In fact, I think he already has loads of protection.


JFK had loads of protection, too.

[kadamose]

The money system, in general, needs to be destroyed. Period.

In the not-so-distant future, the only thing that will have ANY value is knowledge.

[Anders Lindman]

JFK had loads of protection, too.

Not when the assassination happened he didn't.

[_underscore_]

Not when the assassination happened he didn't.


That's how the bad guys work. They wanted to get rid of JFK so they did. It's an unfortunate truth in 'Merica today.

[Anders Lindman]

That's how the bad guys work. They wanted to get rid of JFK so they did. It's an unfortunate truth in 'Merica today.

If they want to protect Ron Paul, then they must check all people near him to make sure they do not carry any weapons. Plus they must choose places where sniper positions can be controlled. And have a bulletproof car for him. And probably loads of other things such as checking for mail bombs, poison in food and water etc and on and on. Horrible. :mad:

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

What about his stance on education WITHIN PUBLIC schools?

That's what I want to know about.

[megafish33]

The country needs to completely start over.

Something tells me that was the plan all along...


Wonder if Ron Paul really is smart, or just a clever clever "option" for us to consider. He seems really balanced... maybe there is hope after all.

[Anders Lindman]

What about his stance on education WITHIN PUBLIC schools?

That's what I want to know about.

I would suggest the following subjects to be introduced:

1. Government-sponsored terrorism
2. Problem-Reaction-Solution
3. Monetary theory
-a. Fractional Reserve Banking
-b. The Petrodollar
4. War as Profit
5. Vaccine as population control
6. HIV-AIDS Fact or Fraud
7. Propaganda techniques

[revolutionary_jam]

the problem...allot of those business owners are on the republican party

Having said that I think Ron Paul would be a literally unbeatable presidential candidate for the Republicans because:

1) he is the only candidate that can possibly make people who always vote Democrat vote for a Republican
2) he will mobilize a lot of people who never ever vote to vote Republican to end the war, get rid of the federal reserve, etc. etc.

Even if Kucinich got the Democratic candidacy (which would never be) not a single republican would ever vote for him because he is very very far left and for the same reason he'd lose a lot of democratic voters who are just liberals

Still, if we could get Paul vs. Kucinich we couldn't lose :D:D:D

[cycle of eternity]

what is "real" money? Paper or various metals & rocks/stones?

Everytime I hear the term "precious metals", I can't help but to think
of Golem from Lord of the Rings.

It's not like the cosmos created the elements to produce these
minerals for currency only - that's just stupid.

If we really want to make this world a better place, we need
to rethink A LOT of things... such as the concept of this
so-called "wealth" and what it "means". IMO, just another illusion.

"oooo shiny metals and rocks". It's like a bunch of pot-heads
trippin' out on tin foil... pathetic.

[Anders Lindman]

what is "real" money? Paper or various metals & rocks/stones?

Everytime I hear the term "precious metals", I can't help but to think
of Golem from Lord of the Rings.

It's not like the cosmos created the elements to produce these
minerals for currency only - that's just stupid.

If we really want to make this world a better place, we need
to rethink A LOT of things... such as the concept of this
so-called "wealth" and what it "means". IMO, just another illusion.

"oooo shiny metals and rocks". It's like a bunch of pot-heads
trippin' out on tin foil... pathetic.

I tried to formulate a proposal for a value currency:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8553

I'm no expert so these ideas could be totally unworkable. Ron Paul and his advisers/colleagues must surely already have planned what kind of currency could replace the current fractional reserve currency. I'm very curious about what kind of currency they have come up with.