NWO Social Services to take woman's baby at birth

[john white]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=480201&in_page_id=1879

My baby will be taken from me the moment it's born


The daughter of teachers and with a glittering academic future, Fran was delighted when she became pregnant. But social services discovered the illness she thought she'd put behind her - and will confiscate her daughter when she is born...


Fran Lyon is due to give birth to her first child - a daughter she has already named Molly - on January 3. But the prospect, far from being one of joyous anticipation, fills her with a dread that keeps her awake at night.

It's not because Fran doesn't want the child. She does. Desperately. And not because she is frightened of the pain of labour. She is prepared for that.

It is what happens afterwards that fuels Fran's anxiety. And there can be no preparation for that pain.

For within 30 minutes of birth, barring any medical complications, Molly will be handed by doctors to social workers. They have instructions to take away Fran's newborn baby and place her in foster care.

The 22-year-old will then be transferred from the maternity wing to a gynaecological ward, because Northumberland Council has decided that Fran - who has never harmed anyone in her life - is potentially a risk to other mothers and their babies.

Fran has no idea if she will be able to touch her baby, even for a minute, before leaving hospital alone, or if she will ever get her daughter back. Her biggest fear is that she won't, and that Molly will be put up for adoption.


'It is incredibly upsetting not knowing if I will be allowed even to hold my baby,' says Fran, a charity worker. 'Until social services became involved in my life, I was having a normal pregnancy and was full of excitement.

'They have taken away what should be the most precious time in my life - and I will never get that back. I'm already in love with my baby. I can feel her moving, I talk to her. I've bought her baby books and clothes. You just can't undo that attachment.'

Fran is an intelligent and articulate woman. She has nine A- starred GCSEs, five grade A A-levels and is in the third year of a neuroscience degree at Edinburgh University - which she is completing at home in Hexham, Northumberland.

However, what concerns Hexham Children's Services, which is part of Northumberland Council, is Fran's medical history.

Having had a difficult relationship with her parents, who are teachers in good state schools, from the age of 15, she started selfharming. Fran spent three years - on and off - in psychiatric hospitals.

Her problems appear to have begun when she was raped by an acquaintance at the age of 14. Diagnosed with a borderline personality disorder, she was discharged from a therapeutic facility in 2002, where she had spent 13 months, and spent nine months as an outpatient.

Today, she needs no medication and, according to her former psychiatrist, Dr Stella Newrith, 'has made a significant recovery to the point where her difficulties are indistinguishable from those of much of the general population'.

In a letter to Northumberland Council, Dr Newrith, who treated Fran for a year when she was 16 and has known her for many years, stated: 'There has never been any clinical evidence to suggest that Fran would put herself or others at risk, and there is certainly no evidence to suggest she would put a child at risk of emotional, physical or sexual harm.'

Furthermore, she said: 'I would view the removal of Fran's baby as an extraordinarily heavy-handed gesture. It is also my professional opinion that doing so would be an infringement of Fran's human rights, as it would be much the same as removing a child from someone from the general population.'

Yet on August 16, a child protection case conference recommended that Fran's baby should be taken away at birth - a decision based in part on the contents of a letter from consultant paediatrician Dr Martin Ward Platt, who has never met Fran and could not be present at the meeting.

In his letter, Dr Ward Platt states that 'even in the absence of psychological assessment, if the professionals were concerned on the evidence available that [this woman] probably does fabricate or induce illness, there would be no option but to put the baby into foster care at birth pending a post-natal forensic psychological assessment'.

However, he warned that it was necessary first to establish as far as possible whether or not Fran does suffer from this illness - something Fran claims they have failed to do.

Fran has never been diagnosed with this condition, yet she has nevertheless been deemed by Northumberland Council as someone likely to suffer from Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy, a controversial and unproven condition in which a parent - usually the mother - makes up or induces an illness in her child to draw attention to herself.

And so, unless a judicial review next week rules in Fran's favour, her baby Molly will almost certainly be taken away at birth.

'I can understand why they might have concerns about my past, but the speed with which they have come to this conclusion, despite the evidence of my own psychiatrist, is terrifying,' she says.

'I was at the case conference and it lasted just ten minutes.

'This letter from Dr Ward Platt was given to me just five minutes before the meeting started, and when it was produced, the chairman said there was no point - in the light of what this letter stated - even considering the other evidence which I wanted to present, which was letters of support from psychiatrists.

'I think they simply panicked, and when people panic they make, in my opinion, bad judgments. I left that meeting numb with shock. I'd had absolutely no time to digest the letter or argue my case, and I was so horrified at what they'd said that I just couldn't even begin to respond to it.

'I have never harmed anyone in my life. I have no criminal convictions. I believe I can be a good mother to Molly - but they are not even prepared to give me a chance to prove that.

'I have offered to stay in a mother and baby unit after Molly's birth for as long as they want, and to be monitored. I would be prepared to stay there for 18 years if it meant I could be with my baby. But that, it seems, is not even an option.'

Fran's case is far from unusual. Two thousands babies under one year old were taken from their parents last year by social services - three times the number ten years ago. Critics believe councils are doing this to help meet government adoption 'targets'.

Liberal Democrat MP John Hemming, chairman of the Justice for Families campaign group, certainly thinks so.

'How can it be in the child's best interests to take a baby away from its mother at birth? The reason why they do it is because it's much harder to take away a baby the longer it spends with its mother, and a healthy newborn baby is so much easier to find adoptive parents for.

'It is estimated that 97 per cent of babies taken away from their mothers at birth, on the basis that the mothers are "capable of emotional abuse", are never returned to them - and that is simply scandalous.

'Of course, there are cases where it is right to do so, but the whole public family law system is corrupt because of the secrecy which surrounds it. Decisions are based on opinion and conjecture, rather than fact and evidence.

'What does Fran's case tell us? That no woman who has been raped or had mental health problems can be allowed to have a baby, even years later?

'What could be more traumatic than for a mother to have her baby taken away at birth? It's monstrous. That, in itself, can cause mental health problems, which is then used by social services against the mother as a reason not to return the baby. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.

'There has been a massive increase in younger babies being taken into care, before there is even any evidence of harm - and you have to ask why that is.'

Despite her own troubled past, Fran Lyon is convinced she can be a good parent, and is desperate to prove that. From the start, she has been open and honest with social workers about her medical history, but she feels this has been used against her.

Although she describes her childhood as 'difficult', she refuses to elaborate, other than to say that she is close to her mother and younger brother, but has no contact with her father.

The catalyst for her severe mental health problems was, she says, the rape she suffered when she was 14.

She told police that she was attacked while working as a Saturday volunteer in a charity shop in Northampton, when the shop's founder - a middle-aged man - drove her to an empty warehouse supposedly to pick up supplies for the shop.

When Fran reported the rape, he was interviewed by police. Three more women claiming they, too, had been attacked came forward and agreed to testify against him. However, in 2001 the man killed himself before the Crown Prosecution Service could decide whether to proceed.

'After the rape, I became clinically depressed,' says Fran. 'I lost a huge amount of weight and was admitted to a psychiatric hospital after trying to kill myself with an overdose of tablets. It wasn't a cry for help; I wanted to die because of what he had done to me.'

She spent the next three years, on and off, in residential psychiatric hospitals in Oxford, Nottingham and London after being diagnosed with a borderline personality disorder, in her case characterised by self-harming, instability and suicidal tendencies.

For the final 13 months, Fran went to a therapeutic residential clinic, where she attended individual psychotherapy sessions and group analysis before being discharged as an outpatient.

By the time she was 18, she appeared to have put her problems behind her.

She started to flourish, taking five A-levels at Orpington College in Kent and applying to study neuroscience at Edinburgh University.

At the same time, she worked for two mental health charities, Borderline and Personality Plus. It was through that job, two years ago, that she met the man who is the father of Molly.

'Of course, I was worried when I fell pregnant. I wondered how we would cope as a couple, because we weren't living together,' says Fran.

'But once that wore off, I was excited. I would go shopping with my mum to baby departments, buying books and looking at prams.'

But a few weeks ago, all normality ended. Social services suddenly became involved when Fran phoned the police after what she describes as a 'disturbing incident' with her partner. Fran's relationship with him ended immediately.

'The case was referred to social services and I was interviewed by two social workers, who said from the beginning that they would have to look at the whole family, not just one person in isolation,' says Fran.

'At that first meeting, they asked about my concerns regarding the baby's father, but then it became clear through their questions that their investigation was centred on me. I have never made a secret of my mental health problems. I felt I had nothing to hide.'

Fran was co- operative, she says, because she naively thought children's services would offer her help and support. She was stunned when she received a letter informing her that a child protection case conference would be held on August 16.

'That's when I became frightened and thought for the first time: "Are they going to take my baby away from me?"

'I couldn't believe how everything had happened so quickly. When you are up against a big system such as social services, it is very easy to feel overrun and overwhelmed.'

Realising the seriousness of the situation, Fran instructed a solicitor and contacted her former psychiatrist, Dr Stella Newrith, who offered her full support.

A second psychiatrist, who Fran knew through her charity work, offered a character reference stating: 'I have no doubt that her diligence and capacity, particularly in dealing with complex emotional situations, will stand her in good stead for the rigours of parenthood.'

Yet these testimonials, Fran says, were never even read out at the conference after Dr Ward Platt's letter was produced.

Northumberland Council insists that two highly experienced doctors - another consultant paediatrician and a medical consultant - attended the case conference.

Neither they, nor anyone else present - including Fran solicitor - made any objection. Feeling stunned and intimidated by what she had heard, she felt unable to speak out.

Everything she wanted to say will now be heard - with the help of a new solicitor who specialises in such cases - at appeal.

According to MP John Hemming, Fran should win her case; but there is no guarantee that she will. Both he and Fran are particularly concerned that last week social workers contacted the psychiatrist who provided a character reference for Fran. They believe this was done with the intention of 'pressurising' the witness into withdrawing his support, and undermining Fran's appeal.

It was seemingly suggested by a social worker to the doctor in question that Fran had given incorrect details about her health to hospital staff: in short, doubt was cast on the reality of an ectopic pregnancy Fran suffered on Christmas Eve two years ago.

'Is it ethical for social workers to go behind my back and speak to my witnesses, discussing my private confidential medical history and suggesting to them that I might have made things up?' says Fran.

'I did have an ectopic pregnancy, and I have the scars to prove that I had abdominal surgery.' Mr Hemming goes further, describing such behaviour as akin to witness nobbling. He also claims it is not uncommon for social workers to pressurise witnesses - a punishable practice in the criminal courts.

'There is a culture in which the end is seen to justify the means, and sometimes the means employed would not be tolerated in any other court of law,' he says. 'Yet if anyone tries to speak out, they are guilty of contempt of court. The whole family court system, because of the secrecy which surrounds it, is vulnerable to bad practice. Social workers are under pressure not to lose cases.' Northumberland Council, while legally prevented from speaking about individual cases, insists there is nothing sinister in their actions.

A spokeswoman said it was the court whichwould make the ultimate decision, after hearing legal representation from both sides. 'Safeguarding children is our top priority,' said a spokeswoman. 'We speak to all sides without bias or pressure. 'We would welcome a review of the family court arrangements, and support transparency, as long as this is in the best interests of the children.

'Safeguarding arrangements have been praised as good following a rigorous inspection by a number of Government departments. It was specifically noted that "good action was taken to enable parents to keep their children safe in the home and the communityî. Our duty to safeguard children is our only motivation, and we strive to keep children with their families wherever possible, or extended families if that is not possible.

'We do not have numerical targets for adoption; nor have we received any financial rewards in relation to adoption figures.'

As for Fran, the final four months of her pregnancy are filled with stress and uncertainty, and the nagging terror that her worst nightmare will become a reality and her baby daughter will be snatched away from her. 'Some days I feel positive,' she says quietly.

'But others I feel totally overwhelmed. All I am asking for is a chance to prove that I will be a good mother.'

Sadly, that wish may not be granted her.

[shodan]

I'm gonna try my hardest to help out with this one one way or another, its just up the road from me and I've been dealing with the council here since March about a claim, they are a staggeringly cold bunch. They have a fully-fledged us and them mentality. She'd better not have that baby taken away from her, going off that artice.

The bit about not having adoption targets, isn't that a proveable lie?

[john white]

I'm gonna try my hardest to help out with this one one way or another, its just up the road from me and I've been dealing with the council here since March about a claim, they are a staggeringly cold bunch. They have a fully-fledged us and them mentality. She'd better not have that baby taken away from her, going off that artice.

The bit about not having adoption targets, isn't that a proveable lie?

Course it is

Stuff like this is the sharp end of the NWO agenda, and is affecting hundreds, if not thousands of families already: pure social engineering: mind slaved social workers enforcing mind enslaving policies

Whatever you do, don't be a real human!

Don't have passion and emotion!

Don't have problems you have to overcome!

Becuase if you do: second class citizen for life

[lottie]

Reminds me of Minority Report - detecting 'crime' before it happens.....pre-crime is becoming a reality!

How out of order is that....again, glad im not a parent!

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Reminds me of Minority Report - detecting 'crime' before it happens.....pre-crime is becoming a reality!

How out of order is that....again, glad im not a parent!

Yes, agree with that totality. This governments adoption targets are putting more and more families at risk by breaking them up for no real reasons :mad:

[john white]

Yes, agree with that totality. This governments adoption targets are putting more and more families at risk by breaking them up for no real reasons :mad:Oh there are reasons alright, and its to break the power of the family : everyone isolated, everyone a robot: even from themselves

That is after all exactly what Orwell showed in 1984: look at the pathetic character of Winston Smith

Breaking the divine right of a parent to raise their child based on arbitary beurocratic mechanical dehumanised mindlessness is a key aspect of that

[shodan]

Every one of us should start applying for a name change - to Winston Smith, that would mess things up.

[mk72]

Can't we do something to help her?:mad:

[john white]

Can't we do something to help her?:mad:

1) Spread the article across the net

2) Write and email that social services department, expressing extreme disgust and demanding the immediate resignation of the head of social services

3) copy to the local paper

Shodan, can you get us contact details in the area?

we could design the campagin and then blitz it

[shodan]

Ok, I'll start looking up details, here's Northumberland County Council


Northumberland County Council
County Hall,
Morpeth,
Northumberland,
NE61 2EF

tel:(01670) 533 000
fax:(01670) 534 117
minicom:0161 534 565

email:c o n t a c t c e n t r e @ n o r t h u m b e r l a n d . g o v.uk

[lottie]

Cool well, i'll defo write to S/S and say my piece! poor woman...:mad:

[2013]

i have known of people brought up in loving households given every opportunity in life turn out to be nasty cold unfeeling people and other children who should of maybe had intervention because they were neglected or dragged up in not nice circumstances turn out to be decent caring well balanced people , that is only in my small experience , but goes to show that you cant decide who will and wont make good parents and how it affects a childs development .I was adopted in the 60's one of the stolen generation , it is done to isolate and alienate familys and produce disfunctional members of society. a society that condemend women to mental institutes if they had sex outside of marriage and where false morality was brought to bear to pressurise people into conforming .The church and the state have a lot to answer for .If it wasnt for those atitudes im sure a lot of people would have made different decisions concerning their children if they had the support of family who didnt feeld shame and judged by others .I had a fantastic upbringing and i was where i was meant to be .But that doesnt take away from the fact that people where punished for what being human and doing what people do , having sex and loving , where is that a crime .I never had a problem with being adopted but as i got older i recognised patterns i followed as a psychological result of this and have spent the last 8 years on and off adressing this and healing that truama that my DNA has carried .Having discovered a little of what my biological mother went thru before she died at an early age related to mental health problems no doubt brought on in part by her past .It was a difficult one for me to bring up to my adopted Mum and this in turn led to me manifesting throat cancer wich i have been healing for the past 15 months , so i know firsthand the longterm effects of this situation . Social services need to be addressed concerning this woman and this situation in general in order to prevent this from occuring again and causing another wave of stolen children , the agenda just keeps on rolling . The whole purpose is to create as john says robots people cut off from themeselves and others, If someone wishes to not bring up their own child and wishes someone else to provide a home and love for them then that is their decision and no one elses .I will follow this story with interest thank you fo posting this john
:D

[dondaz]

First of all what were they doing putting her in mental hospitals after she was raped? Totally messed that one up!

She came through that trauma to study hard for those exams and passed with flying colours.

Now they are saying she isn't fit to look after her own child! This is too sad. I say we all spam Northumberland Council with e-mails shaming them for what they are doing to innocent people.

You are right on there John, this is indeed part of the New World Order plan to devide families.

I had two women from social services visit my house over my children being late for school on a few occaisions even though they have attendences of 98 percent. I kept them on my doorstep, told them about all the time the schools waste on teaching useless things to our kids for years on end and then I told them about the part they are themselves playing in trying to enforce an immoral agenda on families. Well, I don't think those two will be back at my door ever again.

The closed court standard is corrupt and gives the courts and judges protection from being exposed as the crooks they are!

I'm going to e-mail that damn council now with a few facts about their fascist nazi ways!

Good post John.

[shodan]

dont know where those emoticons came from, must have been the character set or something.

I'll keep posting details of places that have the most readerships etc,that I can think of.

Evening Chronicle - http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/

send your stories section
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/send-a-story/

Newcastle City Council
Civic Centre
Barras Bridge
Newcastle Upon Tyne
NE99 2BN
Phone: 0191 232 8520

[ssyx]

I am also originally from that neck of the woods. Maybe twenty mile south of Hexham.
I checked out the local press that i know have the largest circulation and its not very good for email addresses.

Managed to get these two for "The Journal"

journal.editor@ncjmedia.co.uk
jnl.newsdesk@ncjmedia.co.uk

[shodan]

Ok, this is icNewcastle http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/
a central hub for whats going on in Newcastle/Northumberland. Should be loads of places to write to/email on this site.

Hexham is a reasonably small town in the countryside, Newcastle is where the impact is needed.

http://www.thisisthenortheast.co.uk/ - The Northern Echo newspaper, email link on the site.
MAIN SWICTHBOARD: 01325 381313
EDITORIAL
By Post
The Northern Echo
PO Box 14
Priestgate
Darlington
County Durham
DL1 1NF

[shodan]

nice one ssyx, I love Hexham, Bardon Mill and all that area. and Planky Mill is the most awesome place to camp :D where abouts are you now?

local MP for hexham http://www.peteratkinson.com/
1 Meal Market, Hexham, Northumberland, NE46 1NF
Tel: 01434 603954

Ok, thats the stuff that comes to mind, I'll get on with notifying people in my area and post any other stuff that comes to mind.

[john white]

Nice one everyone!

Right, now the next stage is to write a sample letter that we can spread the news about sending in to all these sources

We can start that off by posting up our ideas for what we want to say

I definately feel we should be calling for a statement of no confidence in Hexham Children's Services. If we really dedicated ourselves to this, we could get thousands to write in

This is an affront to the tradition of fairness and justice

[2013]

Nice one everyone!

Right, now the next stage is to write a sample letter that we can spread the news about sending in to all these sources

We can start that off by posting up our ideas for what we want to say

I definately feel we should be calling for a statement of no confidence in Hexham Children's Services. If we really dedicated ourselves to this, we could get thousands to write in

This is an affront to the tradition of fairness and justice

good idea draft a consensus form type letter so everyone can send it would be very effective if we covere the same themes roughly :D

[shodan]

Cracking John White, and this

This is an affront to the tradition of fairness and justice

should be included in the correspondence, maybe the title or something?

[john white]

I'm going to think it over for a few hours and post a draft @ lunchtime tommorow

[2013]

Every thought emotion feeling etc that woman feels is transmitted to the baby the chemical reaction within her body to the changing emotions well as telepathic thought transference that a mother and baby share .Even if she is hopeful of a good and positive outcome the process has caused considerable upset so far , im sure she will get all the support she needs from others as well as here , but spare a thought for the child and send positive thoughts out for her as well :D

[whitelightrabbit]

i keep wondering how england got to be such a police state? is it that they got the majority of the people to be dependent on the government and went from there? i think it's a test pilot for what they plan to do to the rest of the 'free' world. i just find it dumbfounding.

love and power to the mother-to-be.

[anoninnyc]

i read the article and it does not make sense to me. is it a white baby? is that why they want it? to give to some rich family?

my heart goes out to mother and child. i am pregnant and love my baby so much. what this poor woman must be going through is just so so wrong. and it is true that her fear, emotions, etc. affect the baby. this is truly evil and sinister. to do such a thing to a pregnant woman and her baby is disgusting.

[dondaz]

How about we set up a petition with Downing Street. That will put the shits up the nazi council. I'll get on it when JW posts tomorrow.

[phoebe]

This is sick and disgusting.
I'm writing to the council tomorrow.
The pain that woman must be feeling...
I just can't imagine. :mad:

[dondaz]

Glad to see you back Phoebe.:D

[i_am]

Thought this thread deserved to be stuck :)

[limelady]

The most sacred of all bonds is that of a mother and her child. How dare they do this without legitimate grounds!!! :mad:

Even though I'm Australia based, this ultimately affects us all so once you guys have a draft letter formulated, I will do my bit from here.

These blighters need to know they are now being thoroughly scrutinised internationally as a result of their dubious mishandling of this case (and others), and be informed in no uncertain manner that they are hereby formally 'on notice' to explain their outrageous conduct to the global citizenry.

Taking life-affirming 'people-power' action is the only way to stop these assholes pushing ahead with their agenda. Lets all do what we can while we still can!

I'd like to suggest that once the letter is drafted, a sticky thread in general outlining the 'attack plan' and updates might be a good idea?

This thread has the spirit of true human compassion and co-operation.
I'm honoured to know you people :)


LL

[cf24]

This is very sad, I feel for this woman, and others like her. I was adopted at birth, and still haven't met my birth mum or dad. What about the poor child? to be taken from the mother at birth is traumatic for the child also, I should know.... It has long lasting effects.

I totally felt this womans grief........

[_underscore_]

That is the worst case of fascist totalitarian bullshit _underscore_ has ever seen! Those fuckers!

_underscore_ will now spread the word for the benefit of that poor mother to be.

[john white]

Important link:

Fran Lyon's website:

http://www.wardrobehudson.co.uk/askingforachance/Home.html

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4016/flatsbsj5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Asking for a Chance... the chance to prove myself, the chance for change, the chance for the facts to be presented, the chance for calm and reasoned discussion; the chance to give Molly the very best of life and love.

Here is a way for us to directly show solidarity with Fran and let her know that she is not alone

[john white]

This is Frans situation in her own words: note the key point that there is a hearing on the 12th of september, so thats coming up fast...

Becuase of that, I'm going to hold of writing in to the council etc until after that hearing: but I am going to contact fran on her site

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/228/shapeimage1fp0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[john white]

I've joined fran's email group and will contact her when activated

[john white]

I've sent her this message:

Hey Fran, I found out about your situation last night, and first and fore mostly want to let you know that you are most certainly not alone! Clearly you are a very intelligent person and from reading your comments on your site here I can see that you have got yourself plenty of help from bodies set up to help with this kind of thing, and are more than aware that your case in one of many of this kind of thing going on in Britain at the moment. Well there’s a great deal of British people who are horrified by this and certainly want to make a stand against it if they can! Whatever school of thought has incubated itself into social services departments in recent years, it’s certainly not one that could be described as healthy, and it deserves to be confronted and exposed

I'm delighted that you've managed to achieve press exposure in the Mail: certainly that paper has done more than most to highlight these kinds of issues. I also note that you have a hearing coming up on the 12th. Fingers crossed the recent publicity will see these people back down. Its especially galling to read of the Kafkaesque injustice of the previous hearing recounted in the mail article, and disgraceful that this decision is based on the discredited diagnosis of Munchausen’s Syndrome by Proxy, which has never been properly proved to be a real syndrome, and has been responsible for the false imprisonment of many women following Cot deaths and much human misery

To tell you a little about myself, well I am a free thinker in the truest meaning of the word, and I am also something of a net activist, with a lot of experience getting information highlighting issues out onto the internet and seen by many many people. I wouldn’t propose doing anything before the 12th, which is obviously just around the corner, but if this situation is not swiftly brought into line with sane and reasonable thinking, I would certainly offer to go, to use a phrase, "ballistic" and instigate a mass email campaign to place Hexham Children’s Services firmly under the intense spotlight of GLOBAL scrutiny the like of which I very much doubt the decision makers there could possibly imagine in their wildest dreams. I am personally convinced that your story, strongly highlighting as it does the struggle between the needs of the human being and the intimate link with the unborn child you are bringing into the world, and the dehumanising soulless application of the imbalanced system, will resonate with untold numbers of people: I can also think of many sources of internet based media who would most definitely want to give your situation publicity

In closing communicating with you today, here is a link to a discussion i've had with friends in one location last night, which has already been read by 351 people: all friends you didn’t know you had!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9103

With much Love, to you and to Molly, and wishing both of you the very best of fortune on the 12th,

John White

[truthsayer]

Whatever you do, don't be a real human!

Don't have passion and emotion!

Don't have problems you have to overcome!

Becuase if you do: second class citizen for life

Absolutely bang on the mark.

This is exactly just how councils behave towards the people they are paid to serve, I should know I work for them! (although for how much longer I don't know)

I am currently off on long term sick due to the stress of daring to challenge their status quo and the consequences of that. Plus have had real life traumatic events used against me as part of time off work. Ironically I told the truth and they used that against me, and now to discredit my case and any hope of employment there or anywhere else. Along comes my second class citizenship.

[howie]

Another site pointed out this strange photo from the daily mail

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1912/lyondm0509228x767166138gv7.jpg

The grass & shoes don't line up as if she's been photoshopped in.

[ness1982]

I know of this case from another site, along with many others in similar situations. Social Services are supposed to be there to PROTECT children but in reality they snatch them to fill a quota! SS have wrecked more peoples lives than they have helped! (mine included, I have first hand experience with them!) They deprived me of my parents for 2 years when I was a child, and deprived me of my brother maybe forever!

I fully support Fran and wish her all the best.

[phoebe]

Glad to see you back Phoebe.:D

Are you?
Do I detect sarcasm?
If so, up yours :p
If not, thanks :)

[john white]

Another site pointed out this strange photo from the daily mail

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1912/lyondm0509228x767166138gv7.jpg

The grass & shoes don't line up as if she's been photoshopped in.

Not unusual for newspapers, and not something I consider particularily significant. Fran's situation is all to real

[phoenixchilde]

This is a disgusting example of politicians being stupid and acting without reason, but it's got nothing to do with the NWO. IF the NWO really does exist, then they would have the manpower and resources to take the baby in a far more conspicuous manner. You guys need to understand, when the people in power act, they do so in a very low key manner. This is not low key.

[john white]

This is a disgusting example of politicians being stupid and acting without reason, but it's got nothing to do with the NWO. IF the NWO really does exist, then they would have the manpower and resources to take the baby in a far more conspicuous manner. You guys need to understand, when the people in power act, they do so in a very low key manner. This is not low key.

From a certain POV, yes... for another POV, no: where do you think social engineeering comes from? Check out Bernays, or Leo Strauss, or Brezinski. These social workers are indoctrinated by the system set by and scientifically designed by the elite, and then go out to impose their indoctrination. Also dont forget that this happened over 2000 times last year, but few of those mothers managed to fight back against the machine: it just happens that Fran Lyon was the wrong vicitim to be victimised, but effectively opposing these people is clearly not common

Finally, the word "NWO" appears in the title of this thread principly becuase Sean doesnt allow enough characters for a longer title! For preference I would have said "System indoctrinated social workers...": but on reflection it seems to me to be much the same thing

[shodan]

Everybody I know now Knows about this case. I've made it perfectly clear to them that we are responding to the original text.

Any BOLLOCKS that follows from the uk press, will be thrown down the fetid shoot marked 'British Press', and has nothing to do with the problem at hand.

Namely, unknown's stealing babies that are'nt even born yet.

[lemonique]

It's appalling that your local Councils have been given the order for an ' adoption target', with a cash incentive!!! It's barely human in my opinion.

I had my son at your age, I was married but the marriage fell apart. My ex decided to go for custody (because he could I might add, NOT because he wanted the full time care of him), and I lost custody in the Magistrates Court because the MP thought it may get us back together again, or some such lame excuse. :rolleyes: My son never left my side, as we went to the Court of Appeal and won back custody. I went through hell basically for nothing. The case went into the Statutes as 'what not to do in custody cases', so maybe some good came of it, who knows.

So I have an inkling of what you are going through and how you must be feeling. It's very gratifying that so many people have taken up your case and are running with it, so to speak. I feel that on the strength of that all will be well in your case.

I want to wish you well, and there is much Love coming your way for you and Molly.

Having your baby in another country could be the answer?? Worth thinking about anyway.

I admire you for taking a stand Fran!! All the very best!!

Lemonique
David Icke Forum

[adreamtosome]

Is there a way to get this woman out of the country right before her birth? Would there be a place of refuge for her and her daughter? I know this may sound somewhat subversive but for her and her daughter's welfare, this may be the only other solution if all else fails. :(

[julieray]

What is this Country coming to when a young capable woman is having her unborn baby virtually taken to order upon her birth whilst 7 doctors allowed a beautiful 17 month old little boy get tortured and murdered by his own mother and boyfriend. Where were the Social Workers here??? It is stories like these that pull on the heart strings and your story too has touched my heart not to mention countless others. I will look forward to hopefully hearing good news after the 12th, that you can enjoy your birth and your baby as nature intended. :)

[phoenixchilde]

Is there a way to get this woman out of the country right before her birth? Would there be a place of refuge for her and her daughter? I know this may sound somewhat subversive but for her and her daughter's welfare, this may be the only other solution if all else fails. :(

I wonder if she'd be able to claim refugee status here in Canada. Afraid for the welfare of her baby, I'd say that's a good basis.

[phoenixchilde]

From a certain POV, yes... for another POV, no: where do you think social engineeering comes from?

I'm not even sure where to start with that comment. What does taking a baby away from a mother who's recovered from chronic depression have to do with social engineering? IF there is a global conspiracy to enslave us, then they would want us all to be depressed, because depressed people won't rise up to fight.

Do you even know what social engineering is?

Also dont forget that this happened over 2000 times last year, but few of those mothers managed to fight back against the machine: it just happens that Fran Lyon was the wrong vicitim to be victimised, but effectively opposing these people is clearly not common

Ok, exactly what happened over 2000 times last year? If you're talking about social services taking children away from mothers, does it occur to you that in some cases, that's a good thing. There are plenty of people in this world that aren't fit to be parents. Getting knocked up at a drunken party doesn't give a woman the right to be parents.

[john white]

[QUOTE=phoenixchilde;120899]I'm not even sure where to start with that comment. What does taking a baby away from a mother who's recovered from chronic depression have to do with social engineering? IF there is a global conspiracy to enslave us, then they would want us all to be depressed, because depressed people won't rise up to fight.

Do you even know what social engineering is?

Well have a think about it: the state inserting its primacy to come between mother and child is a good hint... guilty until allowed to be innocent

And yes, I most certainly do know what social engineering is: you dont appear to have fully grapsed its implications, for example, that it is experianced by indviduals as being made "powerless" by faceless force. Its glorious when we find someone with the inner character to fight back!



Ok, exactly what happened over 2000 times last year?

Babies taken from their mothers at birth by dictat

If you're talking about social services taking children away from mothers, does it occur to you that in some cases, that's a good thing

Theres a lot of TRUST implied there: and here we have a system applying a broad brush: thats not justice, and its not on

There are plenty of people in this world that aren't fit to be parents.

So you say.. and what do you want to do? Use force against them or help them?

Getting knocked up at a drunken party doesn't give a woman the right to be parents.

So you judge... but your inference that a child concieved accidentally does not give the mother the right to raise it unles proven otherwise is shocking. Lets hope you dont have any little mistakes in your own life and reap what your sowing here, huh?

[phoenixchilde]

Well have a think about it: the state inserting its primacy to come between mother and child is a good hint... guilty until allowed to be innocent

And yes, I most certainly do know what social engineering is: you dont appear to have fully grapsed its implications, for example, that it is experianced by indviduals as being made "powerless" by faceless force. Its glorious when we find someone with the inner character to fight back!

No, actually that's not what social engineering is. Social engineering is when the government, or anyone else for that matter tries to affect society's values and ideals. A perfect example is early law makers passing a law against murder in an effort to convince people that killing another human being is wrong.


So you say.. and what do you want to do? Use force against them or help them?

The obvious answer is both. Much like criminals, it's ideal to help them become decent people, but if that doesn't work, somebody has to step in.

So you judge... but your inference that a child concieved accidentally does not give the mother the right to raise it unles proven otherwise is shocking. Lets hope you dont have any little mistakes in your own life and reap what your sowing here, huh?

That's a very ignorant thing to say. I never inferred that a child concieved accidentally makes the mother an unfit parent. I'm trying to figure out if you can't understand the english language or just saw it fit to put words in my mouth.

[shodan]

No, actually that's not what social engineering is. Social engineering is when the government, or anyone else for that matter tries to affect society's values and ideals. A perfect example is early law makers passing a law against murder in an effort to convince people that killing another human being is wrong.

Another example - nameless/faceless entities using thier authority to take away babies from mothers before they are born in order to make a society eventually believe that this is normal behaviour. Whilst trying to meet adoption targets set by a deeply sick war mongering lapdog who can't feel empathy.


The obvious answer is both. Much like criminals, it's ideal to help them become decent people, but if that doesn't work, somebody has to step in.

Who decides the definition of decent people? - you?

Getting knocked up at a drunken party doesn't give a woman the right to be parents

And it doesn't take it away either, yet, thank god. People make mistakes, then everybody learns from them. What an appalling statement.

[john white]

And yes, I most certainly do know what social engineering is: you dont appear to have fully grapsed its implications, for example, that it is experianced by indviduals as being made "powerless" by faceless force. Its glorious when we find someone with the inner character to fight back!

No, actually that's not what social engineering is. Social engineering is when the government, or anyone else for that matter tries to affect society's values and ideals. A perfect example is early law makers passing a law against murder in an effort to convince people that killing another human being is wrong

You've not allowed yourself to understand what I am saying. You state social engineering from an overall perspective, hardly difficult, I am refering to how that agenda is experianced by the individual, requires a little more imagination and empathy

[john white]

That's a very ignorant thing to say. I never inferred that a child concieved accidentally makes the mother an unfit parent. I'm trying to figure out if you can't understand the english language or just saw it fit to put words in my mouth.

Yes, you did, quite clearly, if "drunk at a party"

[john white]

So you say.. and what do you want to do? Use force against them or help them?

The obvious answer is both. Much like criminals, it's ideal to help them become decent people, but if that doesn't work, somebody has to step in.


And in Fran Loyds case, where the decision is based on a condition that doesnt exist and the opinion of a doctor who has never met her, whilst ruling evidence from those who actually treated her and know her as inadmissable by default? Is that a reasonable point to "step in"? Do you consider she needs help to become a "decent person"

[illuminotti]

That's awful, i've had a tougher time than her and it's all on file, i've overcome my rape and torture for 10years, trying to commit suicide at least 11times, it all stopped 9 years ago, i have a 3year old,police,socialworkers fully aware i was pregnant,i was always frightened when i'd take my baby to the doctors, or when he had his accident with a hot cuppa when he was 1,i was terrified they'd read my file and get social workers involved, even though i know i'm a good mum an would never harm my baby, it still scares me incase he hurts himself!! i feel terrible for this girl and totally understand how she feels, i will spread this around and try and help!

i suppose what i'm trying to say is people have suffered worse and they get to keep there kids and some are crazy dudes she sounds pretty grounded!!

[ness1982]

That's awful, i've had a tougher time than her and it's all on file, i've overcome my rape and torture for 10years, trying to commit suicide at least 11times, it all stopped 9 years ago, i have a 3year old,police,socialworkers fully aware i was pregnant,i was always frightened when i'd take my baby to the doctors, or when he had his accident with a hot cuppa when he was 1,i was terrified they'd read my file and get social workers involved, even though i know i'm a good mum an would never harm my baby, it still scares me incase he hurts himself!! i feel terrible for this girl and totally understand how she feels, i will spread this around and try and help!

i suppose what i'm trying to say is people have suffered worse and they get to keep there kids and some are crazy dudes she sounds pretty grounded!!

I really feel for you. How awful. I was also abused as a child and know how you are feeling, and I too always worried about SS getting involved and taking my children. My mum, because of losing her children to SS when we were little (through no fault of her own) is forever looking over her shoulder. What an awful world we live in!!! :mad:

[howie]

Video from Tyne Tees News tonight

http://www.911archive.info/flash/fran.html

Download mpeg (43 mb)

http://www.911archive.info/video/Fran Lyon TT News 11 Sept 2007.mpg

[john white]

Video from Tyne Tees News tonight

http://www.911archive.info/flash/fran.html

Download mpeg (43 mb)

http://www.911archive.info/video/Fran Lyon TT News 11 Sept 2007.mpg

That was excellent. Shes doing well. Lets see what happens tommorow. Thanks Howie

[howie]

Fran Lyon Interview 11 Sept 2007 - YouTube

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6327729221691135095&hl=en-GB

http://www.911archive.info/video/fran.html

I've uploaded it to Google & Youtube.

[julieray]

What an awful world we live in!!! :mad:

The world is a beautiful place, it is a small minority of people that spoil it!;) My heart goes out to both of you.

[phoenixchilde]

And it doesn't take it away either, yet, thank god. People make mistakes, then everybody learns from them. What an appalling statement.

Could you possibly bother to notice that I never said that it took that right away either? Putting words in people's mouths seems to be a popular pasttime on this forum. Think you could put an end to doing it yourself?

[phoenixchilde]

Yes, you did, quite clearly, if "drunk at a party"

No, actually, my exact words were

Getting knocked up at a drunken party doesn't give a woman the right to be parents.

While I do realize my grammatical error, I never stated that a woman who gets knocked up at a party doesn't have the right to be a mother. If you can't understand the difference, then there's really no point in continuing this.

[phoenixchilde]

And in Fran Loyds case, where the decision is based on a condition that doesnt exist and the opinion of a doctor who has never met her, whilst ruling evidence from those who actually treated her and know her as inadmissable by default? Is that a reasonable point to "step in"? Do you consider she needs help to become a "decent person"

Do you think before you type? Now you're accusing me of siding with the government on this issue. Could you bother to read this statement that I made earlier?

This is a disgusting example of politicians being stupid and acting without reason,

Maybe if you read what I typed, you would understand what I say, or maybe you just prefer to put words in my mouth? I don't know, but either read what I type, or don't bother replying to it.

[john white]

Do you think before you type? Now you're accusing me of siding with the government on this issue. Could you bother to read this statement that I made earlier?



Maybe if you read what I typed, you would understand what I say, or maybe you just prefer to put words in my mouth? I don't know, but either read what I type, or don't bother replying to it.

No, I asked you to give your opinion on a specific situation. You have declined. Any accusation of "siding with" is illusionary, becuase it certainly only exists with your head

Getting knocked up at a drunken party doesn't give a woman the right to be parents.

While I do realize my grammatical error, I never stated that a woman who gets knocked up at a party doesn't have the right to be a mother

Now your just digging a hole. Why not just say "hey, I didnt really think that through" instead of projecting that its my fault for reading english in a conventional way?

I mean you tell me? Are you saying if she got knocked up at the party but wasnt drunk, thats OK? That its not having sex at the party, but having sex whilst drunk which is the deciding issue? And people in Fran Loyd's situation get to be mothers: they just face the threat of not being able to keep the baby. Is that what you meant by "get to be mothers" instead of "get to be parents"? That getting to be a parent involves having custody of the child, whereas getting to be a mother just means getting to gestate it to completion of term?

Lady, you protest to much and are in a jam. Just try not to be so reactionary, OK?

[howie]

BBC Look North 12th Sept


Fran Lyon - BBC NE 12 Sept 2007 - YouTube

[phoenixchilde]

No, I asked you to give your opinion on a specific situation. You have declined.

I never had the opportunity to decline, because you never did ask. My opinion was stated quite clearly in my original post. See below;

This is a disgusting example of politicians being stupid and acting without reason, but it's got nothing to do with the NWO. IF the NWO really does exist, then they would have the manpower and resources to take the baby in a far more conspicuous manner. You guys need to understand, when the people in power act, they do so in a very low key manner. This is not low key.

If that's not enough, take a look at one of my other posts.

Ok, exactly what happened over 2000 times last year? If you're talking about social services taking children away from mothers, does it occur to you that in some cases, that's a good thing. There are plenty of people in this world that aren't fit to be parents. Getting knocked up at a drunken party doesn't give a woman the right to be parents.\

You see, it's quite clear. Especially the statement "in some cases, that's a good thing."

Now your just digging a hole. Why not just say "hey, I didnt really think that through" instead of projecting that its my fault for reading english in a conventional way?

No, you're the one who's digging a hole. You could quite honestly admit that you assumed something that you had no reason to believe, but you seem to think that your pride is too important than demonstrating basic kindness. I don't know about where you're from, but it's hardly conventional on Earth to assume someone means something that they didn't say. That imagination that you're so proud of seems to be getting the better of you.

I mean you tell me? Are you saying if she got knocked up at the party but wasnt drunk, thats OK? That its not having sex at the party, but having sex whilst drunk which is the deciding issue?

I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand that the time and place of conception has nothing to do with whether or not someone will make a good parent. A woman who plans her pregnancy might be either a bad or good mother, and a woman who gets pregnant by accident might also be either a bad or good mother. There's no simpler way to say it.

Lady, you protest to much and are in a jam. Just try not to be so reactionary, OK?

What on earth made you think I'm female? Do you just make this stuff up as you go along?

[john white]

*sigh* your clearly not someone who can be talked with rationaly

OK, your a lovely person really, if thats what you need to hear

Now please stop trolling this thread

[john white]

Update:

Hey Fran, any news you can give on how things went for you and Molly yesterday?



Hello,

Thanks for thinking of us, and for asking.

Unfortunately Northumberland Council would not let my solicitor or I attend
the appeal and so I don't know what decision was made. Their policy is to
inform parents in writing. There has been no letter from them this morning.
I'll post on here as soon as I know anything.

All we can do now is wait.

Thanks,

Fran

Crazy. It says a lot that they won't even look you in the face

[shodan]

Unfortunately Northumberland Council would not let my solicitor or I attend
the appeal and so I don't know what decision was made. Their policy is to
inform parents in writing. There has been no letter from them this morning.

They really are Sick aren't they. :mad:

[julieray]

They really are Sick aren't they. :mad:

I agree, but what do people do to sick people??? We heal them. So why not try sending them love, light and healing energy to see if this does the trick!:)

[catfood]

I live very close to Hexham is there any thing I can do to help.

[lizzy]

Phoenixchilde.....no one was "putting words in your mouth", you just not get the picture I think. That it is the NWO, this is HOW it will be Ordered. Break down the family, keep them emotionally fragmented, so much easier to control that way.....and make a little profit selling babies on the way.
I am a Brit, new to the forum, I have lived in the Seattle area, usa alongtime, way too long and when I first came here I was staggered how heavy handed "Social Sevices", (LOL), were ,to unwed mothers especially and look how f--ked up this country is, the UK has caught up bigtime in the last few years.
Yes, I am a Mother, it is the only reason I stay in this rathole. I idea of helping her out of the country was'nt a bad one if someone out there had real bucks and her willingness to do it but in the end there is no place to run, no place to hide, not without the sort of cover the Illuminarti has anyway.
Here we say, Frodo lost, Bush has the Ring, LOL.
But this is so horrible, lives are getting ruined hourly and that IS their agenda.

[phoenixchilde]

Phoenixchilde.....no one was "putting words in your mouth", you just not get the picture I think.

With all due respect lizzy, you can't really speak for those two. It's up to them to prove that they weren't putting words in my mouth, which they are unwilling, or unable to do. Given that JohnWhite won't even admit that he doesn't have a rational reason for assuming I'm a woman, I doubt it'll ever happen.

That it is the NWO, this is HOW it will be Ordered. Break down the family, keep them emotionally fragmented, so much easier to control that way.....and make a little profit selling babies on the way.

I'll be honest, I'm not sure I understand that statement. Are you implying that every government is going to start taking EVERY baby away from EVERY mother? That's a bit of a stretch from this one case.

I am a Brit, new to the forum, I have lived in the Seattle area, usa alongtime, way too long and when I first came here I was staggered how heavy handed "Social Sevices", (LOL), were ,to unwed mothers especially and look how f--ked up this country is, the UK has caught up bigtime in the last few years.

If you'll please read my earlier posts, you'll notice that I never disagreed that this is wrong. This is most certainly government heavy-handed stupidity, but there is no evidence here that it's part of a great conspiracy. The only possible conspiracy here is the link to high adoption rates. There's just no logical connection between that and the enslavement of the human race.

[lizzy]

hi Pheonixchild........i know you understand this is wrong and heavy handed, but it is more evidence that 1984 is here. Sure one or two countries still are 'free' but basically our civil and human right are being eroded. We are being taught to fear our Gov.'s, that they can do with us what they will. This is the NWO at work. Guilty until proven innocent. Living in the USA shows me the shape of things to come for the more 'civilized" countries.
A lot of poeple don't get how oppressive and restrictive things are going to get in the EU soon.
best wishes...liz

[john white]

LOL! Well I have to assume one or the other, and i'm not God, so if your not a woman just say so pheonix child, thats how you come across. Not that it makes any difference, and especially not to Fran Lyon

[shodan]

Any news on this story? I've lost touch a bit due to a disasterous weekend, spent all weekend reinstalling windows and recovering data.

I live very close to Hexham is there any thing I can do to help

Hi Catfood, I don't know is my answer? PM me if you have any ideas about what could be done locally, I can probably help - I'm just watching it develop at the moment.

Phoenixchilde, if you didn't mean the comment that way, then I read it that way so apologies. This is not the thread to battle this out IMO.

[ness1982]

Update

http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/journallive/thejournal/tm_headline=mum-to-be-continues-fight-to-keep-baby&method=full&objectid=19802563&siteid=50081-name_page.html

[ness1982]

http://www.communitycare.co.uk/Articles/2007/09/20/105839/fran-lyon-case-the-hidden-agendas.html

[soltru]

this has been happening for a long time people, nevermind the nwo, many of these people working in the health profession don't have a clue about the bigger picture, they feel they are just doin their job, its all they have come to know.
in chch nz this happened to my sister.
she was also given a drug called quetiapine, a week after she took the drug, her baby was dead, she was 6 weeks from bein due.

if you want to find a city in the western world per capita that has a massive element of people on medication and or illegal drugs - its chch nz.

such a beautiful place they say nz is lol sure every city and place has its beauty, but why in nz do we have one of the highest rates of male youth suicide?

hea's a theory - cause nz is one of a few countries who are first to recieve tech like eftpos and cell phones on a mass scale, nz trying to be used as a global guinea pig country, but unfortunately for those who have invested their entire beings in the world as we know it - it isn't long before light and love will be the order of the day - change is accelerating. and the darkness of this world is being exposed.

much love and light everybody .. :)

[mariag]

I will copy this and put it on my community forum , and try to help in anyway I can.
I myself am a mother of 3 ,and have ADHD,my children lives with me and there is no problem none whatsoever.They have no right to take her child.This makes me sad.

[phoenixchilde]

LOL! Well I have to assume one or the other, and i'm not God, so if your not a woman just say so pheonix child, thats how you come across. Not that it makes any difference, and especially not to Fran Lyon

I don't know how the fuck someone can come across as a woman over the internet, but that's your issue, you don't have to pass the blame to someone else. The fact is, you don't have to assume on or the other, you could keep an open mind. Try it sometime.

Shodan, no hard feelings.

[gold]

Go over to the General forum; Sticky: Common Purpose! See Video; It Say's that Councilors and alike are getting paid a substantial amount of money for every child that gets taken away from their parents and put into care! I urge you to see the video Hagbard Celine posted in called 'COMMON PURPOSE' 2 Hours of it! I think your in for an eye opener!

[john white]

Link:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10716

[dondaz]

It Say's that Councilors and alike are getting paid a substantial amount of money for every child that gets taken away from their parents and put into care!

:eek::mad:

Seen the vid, awsome, everyone go see it. The best eye opener I've seen this year!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10716

[howie]

FRANCE 24 - Mona Lisa - YouTube

The Mona Lisa looks exactly like Fran Lyon in this clip from Sky News.

[strat]

I've posted this on a BPD forum, am awaiting replies with interest!

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[kweli]

Fran Lyon explaining her case on ITV's This Morning program right now!

[kanut]

I too have had my children taken from me by Birmingham UK Social Services, without any of the case's ever reaching the Family Law court's, and my children placed with a their father, of which I have physical evidance of his peadophile abuse's of my children, and despite never being married to my children's father, he obtained full Parental Right's without even going to court, and the West Midland's Police and Social Service's deny any evidance exist's of my 13 year old daughter on video, sitting in front of a Social Services Investigation Officer, stating she had witnessed her father, grandfather, and another woman, sexually grooming her 11 year old brother with adult pornography whilst holding a gun to his left ear when she was 7 year's old!

I got the video to prove the West Midland's Police, and Birmingham Social Services are deliberately ignoring physical evidance of child abuse for one reason only, and that's because Birmingham city Council has been running their Pagan Peadophile club within the Public Services Record's system in the Police, Social Services, Housing, School's, NHS, even right down to my GP deliberatley writing that I have a Personality Disorder because i've been refused any treatment whatsoever for injuries that I sustained in a fall in 2001, which is clearly evidant to anyone on my x-ray's and scan's, but nowhere to be seen anywhere on my record's! Ooh, I wonder why... not!
This is just the same treatment, or rather, lack of treatment by the Public Services, that I witnessed my own mother go through for year's because of what she knew about my EX S.A.S. British Army Freemason half brained peadophile father and the British M.O.D. Underground Association's, ie; the American Civil War Society, otherwise known as, the Fourth Reich Freemason UK and Skull and Bone's US Society, that has it's Nazi member's into every person's Public record's in the entire country, including our DNA, and now the same dirty bully trick's are being played out on me in the exact same way, because of what I, and my children have witnessed! And the ironicy of it all, is the pathetic excuse the Birmingham Social Service's have put on my record's as their reason for taking my children from me is, 'Mrs Shakespeare is involved with a Pagan Satanic Cult that sexually abuse's children', when it's the Birmingham City Council burying 5 pointed pentagon star's under the Bull Ring Centre in 2002, not me! Now look whose calling the kettle a black whore then!
Yep, this country is just about to go through the same Civil Services war on all ethnic's that won't join into their peadophile viagra addict's club! Here come's another Jew's Consentration Camp in the disguise of the Serpent on the World Health NWO.Org!

[frankanne]

Fran Lyon explaining her case on ITV's This Morning program right now!

Does anyone have an update on what's happening with Fran's baby?

[john white]

Does anyone have an update on what's happening with Fran's baby?

Well Fran's website is down, and although I joined her mailing list, I havn't heard from her

All I can assume at the moment is in the interests of her case, information is currently limited

[howie]

Well Fran's website is down

The domain wardrobehudson.co.uk is hosted by http://www.borderlineuk.co.uk/, I downloaded a pdf file from the domain wardrobehudson linked from Borderlines homepage, they have deleted or disabled the askingforachance folder & Frans homepage.

[john white]

The domain wardrobehudson.co.uk is hosted by http://www.borderlineuk.co.uk/, I downloaded a pdf file from the domain wardrobehudson linked from Borderlines homepage, they have deleted or disabled the askingforachance folder & Frans homepage.

Thanks for that info Howie: of course, we don't know why it was deleted

Unfortunately, with that site gone, so is our line of communication with Fran, as her email contact was attached to it

[manchurian_candidate]

This is a horrible state of affairs. I am in agreement that writing a letter to express this gross injustice is a good course of action!
Well done for bringing this to all our attention - i will be spreading the news! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[howie]

A PREGNANT woman last night said she had been “hounded out” of the region by council bosses who plan to take her child from her within 15 minutes of its birth.

Fran Lyon yesterday left her home in St Hilda’s Road, Hexham, after receiving what she described as a “horrific” birth plan for her child from Northumberland County Council social services.

The 22-year-old has been told that her baby must be taken from her as she could potentially suffer from a mental illness that could cause her to harm the infant.

Now, at 32 weeks, she has written to the county council informing them of where she has gone and that she intends to engage with her new local authority, in the Midlands.

Her legal team are due to meet with social services bosses at her new authority in a bid to transfer the case.

Ms Lyon said: “I am really disappointed at having to leave my home and I am really upset with the way this has been handled.

“It is a really sad indictment of a local authority in the way that they have dealt with an expectant mother, who has tried to cooperate, with some of the most extreme measures imaginable.”

Ms Lyon said she made her decision to move to the Midlands after receiving a copy of her birth plan from social services earlier this week.

continued.... (http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-news/2007/11/10/pregnant-woman-s-hounded-out-claim-61634-20088633/)

[frankanne]

This is a horrible state of affairs. I am in agreement that writing a letter to express this gross injustice is a good course of action!
Well done for bringing this to all our attention - i will be spreading the news! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:


There is a website link to Fran:

http://franlyon.righttoreply.info/Home.html

where do we go from here?

[john white]

There is a website link to Fran:

http://franlyon.righttoreply.info/Home.html

where do we go from here?


Oh good, looks like Fran's site is back

Well firstly we can support Fran on her website

Secondly, we can spread awareness about her case and the hundreds of others like them

As for other actions, well it seems that Fran is not asking for vocal protests in support, and that's understandable, as ultimately it could be detrimental to her and Molly's interests, but if we maintain an awareness of what's going on for her, then we can always swing into action in a more vigerous way if needed

[i_am]

Fran has fled the country :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=496235&in_page_id=1879

[howie]

She's in Sweden with her baby girl, if she wants to keep her child, she will have to stay there for another 15 years.

http://www.nkmr.org/english/the_fran_lyon_case.htm

[gilly]

Ok, I'll start looking up details, here's Northumberland County Council


Northumberland County Council
County Hall,
Morpeth,
Northumberland,
NE61 2EF

tel:(01670) 533 000
fax:(01670) 534 117
minicom:0161 534 565

email:c o n t a c t c e n t r e @ n o r t h u m b e r l a n d . g o v.uk

Thanks for this. Will letters help, or can anyone think of something more?

[debs67gb]

im absolutely disgusted that this could be done to a mother without thinking to check up the whole facts - unfortunately this appears to be the social services way hence baby p they do not have a clue what the fuck they are sposed to be doing :(

[gilly]

Several posts went up while I was typing my last one - I hope she stays in Sweden.

Best of luck to her, the poor woman needs it.

[armoured_amazon]

This is disgusting. Allow me to wake up and have lunch and then I'm going to get on this.

[debs67gb]

lol armoured hi - ffs that poor woman bless her at least she got away some dont :(

[starstuff]

Pointing out to those that haven't noticed that this is a thread from 2007. Molly will be a year/two years old by now. I hope her and Fran are well and happy!

[armoured_amazon]

Phew, thanks for the headsup. I can take my time over my lunch now :)

[bowtiedaddy]

Don't they already do that, just leave it in her custody?

Oh...old post. oops! :D

[drhemp]

Ok, I'll start looking up details, here's Northumberland County Council


Northumberland County Council
County Hall,
Morpeth,
Northumberland,
NE61 2EF

tel:(01670) 533 000
fax:(01670) 534 117
minicom:0161 534 565

email:c o n t a c t c e n t r e @ n o r t h u m b e r l a n d . g o v.uk

thanks, I sent them an email to contactcentre@northumberland.gov.uk