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real6

11-11-2009, 04:58 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5A91TZ20091110

ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Building atom bombs is stupid. America must ditch Israel to gain friends in the Middle East. We need love and spirituality, not failed capitalist consumerism.

The world according to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not without surprises. He expounds his views with rhetorical flourishes, jabs at his foes and occasional flashes of humor.

If he lies awake at night fretting about domestic discontent at his disputed re-election in June, international pressure to alter Iran's nuclear policy, or even an Israeli military strike, the 53-year-old leader betrays no such worries in public.

Ahmadinejad, in an open-necked shirt and jacket, pre-empted, parried and sometimes answered questions at a lengthy news conference on Monday night after an Islamic summit in Istanbul.

He opened it with a homily on the evils of poverty due to capitalism and accused the West of using "so-called democracy," liberalism and humanism to mask a drive for world dominance.

Belying his often-demonized image, the Iranian leader evoked universal values, not just Islamic ones, to call for a new world order based on friendship and solidarity, saying: "Without spirituality, a human being is no different from an animal."

Ahmadinejad gave little away under questioning about nuclear policy, reiterating that this was a "closed file" -- referring to what Iran says is its right to enrich uranium for civilian use regardless of outside suspicions of its nuclear aims.

Iran plans to install 50,000 centrifuges to enrich uranium at its Natanz site and a recently disclosed facility near Qom, Ahmadinejad said, to be used in as yet unbuilt power plants.

"Wherever we go beyond our needs, the surplus will be exported," the president added, speaking through an interpreter.

He sidestepped queries on whether Iran would accept a U.N.-drafted plan whereby it would ship most of its low-enriched uranium abroad to be processed and returned for use in a medical research reactor -- thus calming international concern and gaining time for negotiations on a long-term solution.

FOLLY OF ATOM BOMBS

Ahmadinejad, whose questioning of the Holocaust and repeated calls for Israel to be wiped out have fueled alarm about Iran's nuclear intentions, attacked the folly of building atom bombs.

"The era of using atom bombs is over," he declared. "If they could be used, the Zionist regime would be victorious over the people of Gaza and Lebanon. Has the atom bomb helped the United States in Iraq or Afghanistan? Has it made them popular?"

Ahmadinejad, son of a blacksmith from the provincial town of Arad, argued that money spent by world powers on nuclear arms would not "heal wounds," build schools or develop economies.

"They build atom bombs and at the same time they talk of human rights," he said. "This is something that must change."

Asked what U.S. policies must change before Iran took up President Barack Obama's offer of dialogue, Ahmadinejad said he had sent his American counterpart a message encouraging him.

"But I ask you, where are the changes?" he queried, saying Obama had not yet kept his promise to close the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba and had not shifted U.S. policies toward Israel and the Palestinians or toward Iraq and Afghanistan.

He acknowledged that abandoning U.S. support for Israel was "difficult" for Obama, but added: "He can't have both friendship with the killer Zionist regime and the countries of the region."

Obama himself told Reuters in an interview on Monday that political uncertainty in Iran may be complicating efforts to seal a nuclear fuel deal between Tehran and major world powers.

He said the United States, along with Russia, China, Germany, Britain and France, had made a "fair" offer to Iran.

"Although so far we have not seen the kind of positive response we want from Iran, we are as well positioned as we've ever been to align the international community behind that agenda," Obama said.

Ahmadinejad dismissed the past seven years of efforts to restrain Iran's nuclear program as sinister and misguided.

"We have this front against us of some countries who want to control all the world," he said. "Our nation stood against their activities and gained victory. Today they cannot do anything."

edelweiss pirate

11-11-2009, 08:38 PM

We need love and spirituality, not failed capitalist consumerism.

Sounds good to me.

Maybe he is the alternative...

Could you handle that idea?

Maybe two sides of the same coin, prolly all a sinister double game.... or not... who knows. I like what he says though and I agree.

I know that Moslems are better at doing love and spirituality these days than us lot.....

Maybe we should give the world to them. Our boys have all done a pretty bad job I reckon. (wonder if I will be on a 'terror watch list' now, lol.)

el jefe

11-11-2009, 08:50 PM

America must ditch Israel

Ya thats not gonna happen. America made Israel buddy...

concordewarrior

11-11-2009, 09:24 PM

edelweiss pirate

11-11-2009, 09:30 PM

transcendental stallion

11-11-2009, 10:14 PM

I wish we would hear this kind of speech from the leaders on this side of the world. ;)

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the man who should have been awarded the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize, not Obama the war monger.
Agree. He's the TRUE leader. Obama is cool, but western politicians are Jewish/Israeli puppets.

logos880

11-11-2009, 10:42 PM

Maybe two sides of the same coin, prolly all a sinister double game.... or not... who knows.

I think you are right on the money here! :D

Didn't the Iranians protest his 'election'?

rollotomaz1

11-11-2009, 11:46 PM

Ya thats not gonna happen. America made Israel buddy...

Israel are the children of America, most of the leading firms in the States are joined at the hip, seperate one from the other and both could die.

onourwayto2012

11-11-2009, 11:56 PM

I wish we would hear this kind of speech from the leaders on this side of the world. ;)

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the man who should have been awarded the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize, not Obama the war monger.

Yeah....fake or not it still sounds better than Bush or Obama's one liners. Amazing how the MSM can completely ignore this and just repeat lies........ well not really I guess....

kappy0405

12-11-2009, 06:09 AM

repeated calls for Israel to be wiped out

lol

Didn't the Iranians protest his 'election'?

far from the majority.. Besides, the recount showed he received over 60% of the votes, which makes Iran more democratic than America ever was. :D The post-election turmoil in Iran was [likely] the product of the NED (CIA front).

pinkfreud

12-11-2009, 07:02 AM

transcendental stallion

22-01-2010, 01:44 PM

Domineering powers start wars under pretext of fighting terror: Ahmadinejad

TEHRAN -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said that the domineering powers start wars under the pretext of fighting terrorism and defending human rights.

There are certain countries that are seeking to gain control of natural resources in the Middle East and are attempting to start wars and conflicts in the region in order to attain their goals, Ahmadinejad said in a meeting with Guyana President Bharrat Jagdeo in Tehran on Wednesday.

But the world situation is changing rapidly, and all countries should prepare for a new order which is based on friendship and brotherhood, he added.

Ahmadinejad also called for the expansion of relations between Iran and Guyana.

The president of Guyana stated that the world would be full of peace and friendship if relations between countries were based on justice.

He also said that the Western powers are seeking to dominate nations through their media propaganda, and it is necessary to counter their efforts
http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=212674

freedom1st

22-01-2010, 01:59 PM

Ya thats not gonna happen. America made Israel buddy...

I think you'll find that was Britain.

freedom1st

22-01-2010, 02:02 PM

I think you are right on the money here! :D

Didn't the Iranians protest his 'election'?

Yes but all credible sources say he won the election by a big majority.
CNN did a poll before the election and their results showed that Armadinijhad would win by a majority. Not saying CNN is a credible source, if anything you would expect them to report against Armadinijhad.

freedom1st

22-01-2010, 02:04 PM

lol

far from the majority.. Besides, the recount showed he received over 60% of the votes, which makes Iran more democratic than America ever was. :D The post-election turmoil in Iran was [likely] the product of the NED (CIA front).

Most in the know recognise that it was just a colour revolution with CIA/Mossad involvement.

edelweiss pirate

22-01-2010, 06:27 PM

ahmadinejad would have deserved all the merit if he hadn't really said this:

"Also speaking at the summit, Ahmadinejad said the global economic order needs "radical change", calling for Islamic principles to replace capitalist values."

source: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2009/11/200911915500282750.html

i'm not saying islamic principles are bad, but it will just scare some people off and get them running in the other direction.

Maybe..... I tell you what, the moslems are lightyears ahead of most people in terms of seeing through the vast conspiracy.

Talk to a British moslem about freemasons and you will hear pretty much the views of Icke, Jones and all our fave researchers....

Even 12 year old Bangladeshi moslem school girls know all about the freemasons.... (I'm a teacher and they really enjoy talking about them and the NWO, the eye of horus, Bush's signs of Baphomet, Rhianna and all the rest, they're sharp!)

You've gotta get up pretty early to fool a moslem....

that's why I take it hard when people diss the moslems. They're smart and generally decent people who live virtuous lives.

At school the kids least likely to piss you off and stop out like little twats are moslem kids, Pakistani kids might be lively and noisy but you can have a proper laugh with them, and very rarely do they become aggressive.

Sorry to say a great many white kids at school are nasty little gobshites who need to grow up.

The moslem families now have better values and ability to bring up their children properly than most white families.

You don't believe me? Be a teacher... Mate you see everything! Society as a microcosm.

kappy0405

22-01-2010, 06:44 PM

He said the United States, along with Russia, China, Germany, Britain and France, had made a "fair" offer to Iran.

No, 'fair' would be allowing them to enrich Uranium at their own pace under their own jurisdiction until proof comes along that they're actually building nukes, at the same time that US, Israel, etc. start to get rid of the weapons they already have. That's "fair".

Maybe..... I tell you what, the moslems are lightyears ahead of most people in terms of seeing through the vast conspiracy.

Talk to a British moslem about freemasons and you will hear pretty much the views of Icke, Jones and all our fave researchers....

Even 12 year old Bangladeshi moslem school girls know all about the freemasons.... (I'm a teacher and they really enjoy talking about them and the NWO, the eye of horus, Bush's signs of Baphomet, Rhianna and all the rest, they're sharp!)

You've gotta get up pretty early to fool a moslem....

that's why I take it hard when people diss the moslems. They're smart and generally decent people who live virtuous lives.

At school the kids least likely to piss you off and stop out like little twats are moslem kids, Pakistani kids might be lively and noisy but you can have a proper laugh with them, and very rarely do they become aggressive.

Sorry to say a great many white kids at school are nasty little gobshites who need to grow up.

The moslem families now have better values and ability to bring up their children properly than most white families.

You don't believe me? Be a teacher... Mate you see everything! Society as a microcosm.

excellent post.

& then some people here have the nerve to try & belittle the Muslims, as if they're just as bad as the Zionists. The Muslims are on our side, at least for now.

transcendental stallion

23-01-2010, 01:00 PM

Even 12 year old Bangladeshi moslem school girls know all about the freemasons.... (I'm a teacher and they really enjoy talking about them and the NWO, the eye of horus, Bush's signs of Baphomet, Rhianna and all the rest, they're sharp!)

You've gotta get up pretty early to fool a moslem....

that's why I take it hard when people diss the moslems. They're smart and generally decent people who live virtuous lives.
The Middle Easterns were the FIRST to say Israel was behind 9-11. MSNBC were making mockery of the Middle Easterns. The Middle Easterns questioned why did 4,000 Jews get an advanced warning and evacuation while others DIDN'T! Later we even heard some Jews were CHEERING the success of the event.
The moslem families now have better values and ability to bring up their children properly than most white families.
This has ALWAYS been the case. The Arab states do not permit the communities to be as sexual as Western communities. White nations have always enjoyed open expression of sexuality unlike Islamic nations. The only difference now is that the White nations want to make HOMOSEXUALITY, TRANVESTISM as mainstream behavours. That's the real drop in moral behavour.

logos880

23-01-2010, 07:05 PM

& then some people here have the nerve to try & belittle the Muslims, as if they're just as bad as the Zionists. The Muslims are on our side, at least for now.

On our side? Hardly, Islam is a convenient tool for the elite because of the radicalism and violence that is inherent in the Quran.

This has ALWAYS been the case. The Arab states do not permit the communities to be as sexual as Western communities. White nations have always enjoyed open expression of sexuality unlike Islamic nations. The only difference now is that the White nations want to make HOMOSEXUALITY, TRANVESTISM as mainstream behavours. That's the real drop in moral behavour.

While I don't disagree with you about Western society I do disagree with you about the Muslim world. Take a look at this thread here:

adulterer stoned to death somalia

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90101

The middle eastern world is hardly a bastion of freedom and human rights. Just because the Muslim world may be against Freemasonry doesn't mean they are not pawns in the agenda. West vs. Middle East seem to be polar opposites of each other both of which are too extreme.

bigscotsman

23-01-2010, 07:41 PM

Maybe..... I tell you what, the moslems are lightyears ahead of most people in terms of seeing through the vast conspiracy.

Talk to a British moslem about freemasons and you will hear pretty much the views of Icke, Jones and all our fave researchers....

Even 12 year old Bangladeshi moslem school girls know all about the freemasons.... (I'm a teacher and they really enjoy talking about them and the NWO, the eye of horus, Bush's signs of Baphomet, Rhianna and all the rest, they're sharp!)

You've gotta get up pretty early to fool a moslem....

that's why I take it hard when people diss the moslems. They're smart and generally decent people who live virtuous lives.

At school the kids least likely to piss you off and stop out like little twats are moslem kids, Pakistani kids might be lively and noisy but you can have a proper laugh with them, and very rarely do they become aggressive.

Sorry to say a great many white kids at school are nasty little gobshites who need to grow up.

The moslem families now have better values and ability to bring up their children properly than most white families.

You don't believe me? Be a teacher... Mate you see everything! Society as a microcosm.

yes,its a love filled religion :rolleyes:

jimmi

23-01-2010, 07:43 PM

Why is all this stuff from last year posted in todays news?

bigscotsman

23-01-2010, 07:46 PM

the shite spouted about the guy is unreal

he never proposed israel be wiped off the map

he was quoting the ayatollah who said

"if democracy existed in palestine the state of israel would not exist on the map"

still fox, sky, and all other controlled outlets love to repeat what they WANT to believe he said

red_ram

23-01-2010, 10:49 PM

Belying his often-demonized image, the Iranian leader evoked universal values, not just Islamic ones, to call for a new world order based on friendship and solidarity, saying: "Without spirituality, a human being is no different from an animal."

Am I really the first person in this thread to pick up on this?

morjo

23-01-2010, 11:36 PM

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is on the other side of the fence, we could leave 'capitalist consumerism' for 'Islam', but to be honest I don't want either.

transcendental stallion

23-01-2010, 11:53 PM

On our side? Hardly, Islam is a convenient tool for the elite because of the radicalism and violence that is inherent in the Quran. Islam is our ONLY tool against the elite. Your are mistaken. JUdaism is the elite tool as well as Christianity. They are so because they promote the idea of Jews being special and requiring priority care while neglecting others. It is this which has aided freemasons which are BASED on JUDAISM. Freemasonry-Zionism-Underground Governments are all intertwined.

While I don't disagree with you about Western society I do disagree with you about the Muslim world. Take a look at this thread here:

adulterer stoned to death somalia

The middle eastern world is hardly a bastion of freedom and human rights. Just because the Muslim world may be against Freemasonry doesn't mean they are not pawns in the agenda.Some muslim nations are allied with the wet. Look at Pakistan. But we are discussing Moral character more than anything. The muslim states such as KSA, Bahrain, UAE have far superior living standards than the United States of America as well as moral standards. That is because through Islam they put there people first. European cultures have taken abomination with pride because they put ISRAEL first. What does the US get in return???? Commercials filled with beings like Lady Gaga(hemaphrodites), reality show after reality shows filled with homosexuals, promotion of lesbianism as being an "experiment" of youth finding one's self. Drug epidemics such as Crack in black community and Crystal Meth in the white community and the prostitution of males and females due to these drug epidemics.

Does the Muslim world have this problem? Hell no, because Israel/Judaism isn't at the top of their command. Those people are so wealthy that they are building manmade ISLANDS!! That is because they have a passion, respect and love for God. The blessings follow muslims and this is why THEY and not CHINA is feared most by Israel, USA and the Illuminati. I do think that the punishment in some Islamic world for sex and such are extreme, but at the same time they do not have a prevalence of temptations for those crimes which are punished so severely. Because they put God and Moral character first, they are not as willing to sell themselves short for the devils price. The white nations have and what do they get? Germany paying for the Holocaust over and over again. USA giving israel free weapons and being drug through seemingly endless amounts of wars, as well as France and the U.K. Had they stuck to their faiths as the Muslim nations have, they would have an independent foundation instead of not being in control of their own fate.

logos880

24-01-2010, 12:29 AM

Islam is our ONLY tool against the elite. Your are mistaken. JUdaism is the elite tool as well as Christianity. They are so because they promote the idea of Jews being special and requiring priority care while neglecting others. It is this which has aided freemasons which are BASED on JUDAISM. Freemasonry-Zionism-Underground Governments are all intertwined.

Some muslim nations are allied with the wet. Look at Pakistan. But we are discussing Moral character more than anything. The muslim states such as KSA, Bahrain, UAE have far superior living standards than the United States of America as well as moral standards. That is because through Islam they put there people first. European cultures have taken abomination with pride because they put ISRAEL first. What does the US get in return???? Commercials filled with beings like Lady Gaga(hemaphrodites), reality show after reality shows filled with homosexuals, promotion of lesbianism as being an "experiment" of youth finding one's self. Drug epidemics such as Crack in black community and Crystal Meth in the white community and the prostitution of males and females due to these drug epidemics.

Does the Muslim world have this problem? Hell no, because Israel/Judaism isn't at the top of their command. Those people are so wealthy that they are building manmade ISLANDS!! That is because they have a passion, respect and love for God. The blessings follow muslims and this is why THEY and not CHINA is feared most by Israel, USA and the Illuminati. I do think that the punishment in some Islamic world for sex and such are extreme, but at the same time they do not have a prevalence of temptations for those crimes which are punished so severely. Because they put God and Moral character first, they are not as willing to sell themselves short for the devils price. The white nations have and what do they get? Germany paying for the Holocaust over and over again. USA giving israel free weapons and being drug through seemingly endless amounts of wars, as well as France and the U.K. Had they stuck to their faiths as the Muslim nations have, they would have an independent foundation instead of not being in control of their own fate.

Dubai has shocked investors by asking for a debt standstill at Dubai World, the government’s flagship holding company that has developed some of the world’s most extravagant real estate projects.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/46b4065c-d9f7-11de-b2d5-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1

It may be the world's biggest boomtown, but human rights groups say that Dubai's gleaming towers are being built on the backs of exploited foreign workers.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/11/dark_side_of_du.html

Are you a muslim by any chance?

logos880

27-01-2010, 04:42 PM

real6

27-01-2010, 04:55 PM

Why is all this stuff from last year posted in todays news?

Does it really matter?

edelweiss pirate

27-01-2010, 05:06 PM

To build off my last post I thought this bit of news related to the "religion of peace and love" that is Islam and it's Sharia Law:

101 Lashes to Rape Victim: Bangladesh Outdoes Saudi Arabia

http://womensrights.change.org/blog/view/101_lashes_to_rape_victim_bangladesh_outdoes_saudi _arabia

Stupid little sand niggers ain't they?

Sorry but that was the mental reply your post was expecting I think.

I don't know anything about the story logo880 posted but please resist the temptation to make sweeping generalisations about religion based on one fucked up and horrible story.

BTW mate, it's still off topic. You are guilty of generalisation. The topic is Ahmendinnerjacket and so you decide to slur Islam because Bangladesh is an Islamic nation and the link is that Agmendinnerjacket is also a Moslem.

Well, Hitler was a human being, does that make you, a fellow human being, a killer of Jews?

logos880

27-01-2010, 05:16 PM

Stupid little sand niggers ain't they?

Sorry but that was the mental reply your post was expecting I think.

I don't know anything about the story logo880 posted but please resist the temptation to make sweeping generalisations about religion based on one fucked up and horrible story.

BTW mate, it's still off topic. You are guilty of generalisation. The topic is Ahmendinnerjacket and so you decide to slur Islam because Bangladesh is an Islamic nation and the link is that Agmendinnerjacket is also a Moslem.

Well, Hitler was a human being, does that make you, a fellow human being, a killer of Jews?

Actually, thats not the mental response I was looking for at all. That post was a response to this post (a sweeping generalization):

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058577197&postcount=26

Just playing devil's advocate no need to be offended on behalf of Islam.

edelweiss pirate

27-01-2010, 05:46 PM

Actually, thats not the mental response I was looking for at all. That post was a response to this post (a sweeping generalization):

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058577197&postcount=26

Just playing devil's advocate no need to be offended on behalf of Islam.

I really like you and respect your views generally, but in this instance
you've made a cognitive error.

If we judged the West on the behaviour of the people in the newspaper and our politicians (how many dead moslems does it take to change a lightbulb? As many as you like, nobody'll notice..) then we would be the ones in the shitseat.

The 'judgement' game against islam is not a good idea because we and our governments are infinitely more evil and twisted. It's not a hard hypothesis to check. Just read the newspaper..... then be willing TO JUDGE YOURSELF by the measure you mete out.

Problem is I respect moslems because I have spent time living in their countries and communities. Honestly, you'll be surprised about what moslems are really like asside from governments and fucked up news stories.

I go on experience everytime, newspapers and articles don't dicate my reality.

My reality dictates my reality.

logos880

28-01-2010, 05:31 AM

I really like you and respect your views generally, but in this instance
you've made a cognitive error.

If we judged the West on the behaviour of the people in the newspaper and our politicians (how many dead moslems does it take to change a lightbulb? As many as you like, nobody'll notice..) then we would be the ones in the shitseat.

The 'judgement' game against islam is not a good idea because we and our governments are infinitely more evil and twisted. It's not a hard hypothesis to check. Just read the newspaper..... then be willing TO JUDGE YOURSELF by the measure you mete out.

Problem is I respect moslems because I have spent time living in their countries and communities. Honestly, you'll be surprised about what moslems are really like asside from governments and fucked up news stories.

I go on experience everytime, newspapers and articles don't dicate my reality.

My reality dictates my reality.

Thanks, I feel the same about you and your views.

Don't get me wrong here...I totally agree with you about the behavior of our society and politicians, but I don't think either society is above reproach. Both have their faults and IMO both societies are being used as tools for the elite. I was mainly posting those articles as a devil's advocate against transcendental stallion who I thought was making some wild generalizations in the favor of the middle east.

The muslim states such as KSA, Bahrain, UAE have far superior living standards than the United States of America as well as moral standards.

Just because I'm calling out Islam and Dubui, who is secular (correct me if I'm wrong here), doesn't mean I'm anti-Islam and believe the West can do no wrong. I think transcendental stallion is off base w/that statement so I called that out with some links.

My perception is shaped by what I see as well and I have no doubt that the majority of Muslims are normal human beings but I feel the same about the majority of Humanity. I'm more than willing to comment on America etc for the stuff they do but I'll do the same thing across the board...west or middle east; I'm trying not to pick sides b/c I believe both are corrupt. :)

fidokrab

28-01-2010, 07:03 AM

He seems to have good morals, but I personally think he's not on the same track as we are. More power to his messages of peace.

edelweiss pirate

28-01-2010, 05:50 PM

He seems to have good morals, but I personally think he's not on the same track as we are. More power to his messages of peace.

Yeah could be.....

People who crave power and become the great leaders are usually deluded and under various forms of mind control.

There are also islamic secret societies. I have few doubts that Ahmendinnerjacket may not be what he seems....

Would be nice if just for once there was a genuinely good guy out there.......

The only one you can count on to try to change the world is yourself. I won't hold my breath waiting for Ahmendinnerjacket to get things right...

Still he talks the talk..... but does he walk the walk... of peace.....?

I suppose we'll find out sooner or later....