Ian Huntley - Stitched up?

[amaralsright]

I've been reading other threads where the conviction of Ian Huntley is mentioned as being in doubt.

These threads mention at least 6 witnesses who saw the girls after Ian Huntley was supposed to have killed them. These witnesses were never called to court.

Some of the witnesses are named, but 4 in particular at only mentioned as 'four independent witnesses who saw the girls at the war memorial'.

Does anyone have any more information about who these people were?

I am concerned by the treatment he got once arrested, he was put into a mental institute (on the grounds he was confused about why he was arrested - who wouldn't be if you were innocent) and fed drugs which messed with his mind.

He was also handed a poor useless defence counsel.

Anyone got any more detail about the witnesses?

[kweli]

I've been reading other threads where the conviction of Ian Huntley is mentioned as being in doubt.

These threads mention at least 6 witnesses who saw the girls after Ian Huntley was supposed to have killed them. These witnesses were never called to court.

Some of the witnesses are named, but 4 in particular at only mentioned as 'four independent witnesses who saw the girls at the war memorial'.

Does anyone have any more information about who these people were?

I am concerned by the treatment he got once arrested, he was put into a mental institute (on the grounds he was confused about why he was arrested - who wouldn't be if you were innocent) and fed drugs which messed with his mind.

He was also handed a poor useless defence counsel.

Anyone got any more detail about the witnesses?

I don't have the info you require but this thread might help:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42660&highlight=ian+huntley

[amaralsright]

I don't have the info you require but this thread might help:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42660&highlight=ian+huntley

Cheers, I read that one already.

If there were at least 6 witnesses that saw the girls after Huntley was supposed to have killed them and they were never called to court, this is simply an outrage.

Ian Huntely didn't know black from white after the treatment he got in Rampton.

[amaralsright]

In the early hours of Sunday 17 August, officers arrested Huntley and charged him with murdering Holly and Jessica.

At that point, a crucial piece of evidence was missing - the bodies. But within hours of the arrest, a gamekeeper had discovered the badly decomposed remains.

The meticulous care with which they were hidden, said the prosecution, showed the "devious and calculating" mind of a man who had lured the girls into his home, murdered them and tried to get away with it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3257664.stm

That was lucky.

The more I read about this the more alarm bells are ringing.

[injustice]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3257664.stm

That was lucky.

The more I read about this the more alarm bells are ringing.http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/hollyjessica/who_really_murdered_holly_wells_.htm

Have a read! Hit the stop button as soon as the page loads, as it redirects.

[injustice]

or have a look here.http://www.whale.to/b/vialls_h.html

[jakemaverick]

I've been reading other threads where the conviction of Ian Huntley is mentioned as being in doubt.

These threads mention at least 6 witnesses who saw the girls after Ian Huntley was supposed to have killed them. These witnesses were never called to court.

Some of the witnesses are named, but 4 in particular at only mentioned as 'four independent witnesses who saw the girls at the war memorial'.

Does anyone have any more information about who these people were?

I am concerned by the treatment he got once arrested, he was put into a mental institute (on the grounds he was confused about why he was arrested - who wouldn't be if you were innocent) and fed drugs which messed with his mind.

He was also handed a poor useless defence counsel.

Anyone got any more detail about the witnesses?

i'm not convinced that he was even actually 'arrested'.....judging by own expereinces....they did same/ similar to me.....but for some bizarre reason i was never actually 'fitted up' for anything....apart from 'having paranoid evil beliefes abt this govt we live under'......

they can do it to anybody. they can do it to each and every one of you.....dnt bother with juries anymore, never mind kangaroos.....or even names, ID or uniforms for that matter....

when u have totally lost 'faith' in the 'system' every so called 'conviction' has a lot of REASONABLE DOUBT! Pigyobs/ g-men are actually far more likely to and do LIE more than members of the general public, NOT LESS!

i hate to jump on somebody else's bandwagon, but if u fancy a read click the sig.....

[velma]

Ian Huntley's QC spoke for him at his trial and "confessed" to the murders on his behalf, because Huntley was a complete wreck after his stay in Rampton and unable to string a coherhent sentence together.

See here: http://www.illuminati-news.com/102006b.htm

[jakemaverick]

shocking behaviour....tehy do shit like that to a lot of people.....it's been a couple of months, are we not due for another one of those 'schizo kill snon physical entity' stories on the news agn? the stats say been 30-40% more admissions to those crazy people hospitals per year over the past few years.......

so where are all the political dissidents in this country?

[marpat]

Cheers, I read that one already.

If there were at least 6 witnesses that saw the girls after Huntley was supposed to have killed them and they were never called to court, this is simply an outrage.

Ian Huntely didn't know black from white after the treatment he got in Rampton.

Maybe that is because he realised when he did and had a break down. Perhaps once it had sunk in what he had done and that he was busted his mibd could not handle the thought of being labelled a child killer and then being banged up.

Perhaps they were not called to court for a reason, perhaps they had been interviewed and they could not say for certain who they saw, or perhaps they were eliminated from the inquiry for some other reason that people outside of the investigation might not be aware of.

Perhaps you should ask the police about this and say you know about six witnesses who saw those kids somewhere else. It would be an outrage if you had information that could prove somebody innocent of they have been banged up wrongly and you did nothing with it.

[merlincove]

i've mentioned elsewhere that i had a dream telling me who had killed those two girls. In the dream i was told 'the caretaker did it,' i had no idea who the carteaker was. The following day police had arrested Huntley and it was all over the news that he was a caretaker.

i've mentioned this here abouts in the threads elsewhere also.

I'd also had a nightmare, before the news that the girls had gone missing had broken, and woke up in the middle of the night / early morning crying and very upset (i can't remember this, but my partner at the time told me about it later). She told me that i was saying over and over, 'i'll never see those girls again.' At the time i didn't know what this meant as i couldn't, and still can't recall the dream nightmare whose genesis had caused that upset.

I fel quite sure that Huntley did have something to do with the deaths of thos girls, although i don't feel that he was the sole perpetrator.

Again, i have discussed this elsewhere.

Given that the girls' bodies were found in woodland very near to a military base, so badly mutilated that the cause of death could not be asertained, i am drawn toward the understanding that the deaths in Soham were predominantly satanic ritualistic murders that involved a hidden elite who used the military base as a cover to get in and out of the area unseen.

Huntley, it is likely, due to his past occurances of sexual activity (attempted rape, flashing etc) with underage girls was no doubt the victim of an MK Ultra type mind control programe, that die to his mindset and attraction to young girls would readilly accept.

He was placed in a possition of trust, with immediate access to children, despite having police record of assault and attemtoed rape of underage girls: this is documented. this can not be ignored, the police gross misconduct in missplacing Huntley's file can not be an accident.

He further had access to the children at Holly and Jessica's school through his relationship with Maxine Carr as she was a helper / teacher at the school. He was on speaking terms with one of the girls' familly and the week earlier had been helping with DIY at one of the girls' (i think, Jessica's) house.

He is a relative nobody with a low IQ and could be utilised as a patsy perfectly, as the case shows with his return home with the girls' clothing to burn. He had a fondness for young girls and so readilly accepted the programe issued to him by his handler, who i suspect might have been the police officer who was later arrested for having child pornography on his computer. His handler may hyave been his father, however, because he has said that he would often go to those woods where the bodies were found as a child with his father who worked at the military base.

i think the later, that his handler was his father, is more closer to the truth, although that an investigating detective was found to have child pornography on his computer can not be ruled out as being highly significant in this case.

i can only guess at who the 'elite' might have been who arrived at the military base undercover. But that those girls were sacrificed to satanic ritual at the hands of unseen forces, given the close locality of the military base can not be ignored in this case.

[amaralsright]

Perhaps they were not called to court for a reason, perhaps they had been interviewed and they could not say for certain who they saw, or perhaps they were eliminated from the inquiry for some other reason that people outside of the investigation might not be aware of.

Perhaps.

I would like to know more about them, they are mentioned on several websites but no details have been given.

Huntleys defence counsel was terrible and didn't do any defending. Huntley was in no condition to know what was going on.

I'm going to dig around on this case, I don't know if he's stitched up or not but I have an uneasy feeling about what I have read so far.

[amaralsright]

This is an excellent read.

http://www.whale.to/b/trial_of_ian_huntley.html

I'm becoming more convinced he was done up like a kipper.

The American servicemen were all over Soham, including in the place where the cut up shirts were found (with no DNA traces on them).

The servicemen should have been under suspicion themselves.

[amaralsright]

Damning evidence?

The carpet in the boot: Huntley had an alsation dog and new carpet in a boot isn't exactly unusual for dog owners.

Man Utd shirt fibres found in his home: Huntley was a Man Utd fan and had man utd shirts himself, there are even photos of him in them.

The fact is NO DNA was found in his home, in his car or even on the partially burnt shirts (which he did a terrible job of getting rid of the evidence don't ya think). He went to all that trouble with the car boot and cleaning the house with magic DNA remover but he couldn't burn the shirts properly and then leaves them in a place that says "it was the caretaker".

The more I read the more concerned I become.

Huntley's car boot.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39649000/jpg/_39649189_car_boot203pa.jpg

Perfect, just perfect, ticks all the boxes... he even left the scissors in there AFTER he supposedly relined the boot with new carpet to hide traces.

Amazing.

[amaralsright]

OK. His shirt and their shirts were different fibres.

Where were the fibres found in his house?

Did they specify locations in court?

No DNA was found.

None.

[amaralsright]

Trial transcripts.

http://www.bernardomahoney.com/forthcb/pdt/hajdocuments.shtml

[amaralsright]

Hmmm.. There are gaps in the transcript.

Day one for instance. Just as Marcus Bull is talking about the spot Huntley used to watch airplanes from.

Odd.

[moon monkey]

Don't people on this site love defending nonces.

[merlincove]

Don't people on this site love defending nonces.

Maybe people are just looking for the truth :D

[amaralsright]

I'm not defending him.

I'm looking at the case for the first time ever, I haven't made up my mind yet.

You obviously have great faith in British justice.

I have none.

This has been interesting so far, the lack of DNA in a house where he struggled and killed not one but two girls is a puzzle.

As is the lack of DNA on the clothes that were found.

As is the total inepitude of the attempt to burn the evidence and leave it where he did.

I though he was supposed to be cunning.

[merlincove]

I'm not defending him.

I'm looking at the case for the first time ever, I haven't made up my mind yet.

You obviously have great faith in British justice.

I have none.

This has been interesting so far, the lack of DNA in a house where he struggled and killed not one but two girls is a puzzle.

As is the lack of DNA on the clothes that were found.

As is the total inepitude of the attempt to burn the evidence and leave it where he did.

I though he was supposed to be cunning.

Consider: that if the girls were killed in the house (and if you take that on board, you are listening to machine anyway), that holly's phone was traced as being switched off outside the house, how can anyone say that it was Huntley that killed the girls there?

I still feel that there were more people involved than Huntley, that he was the fall guy, ut that he was the one who killed them and dissposed of their bodies.

How do we know that the girls were killed in the house? Can we question one aspect of the officail story and not the rest? Could the girls have been killed out in the woods?

And, if we are suspecting that Huntley was stitched up, and if the murders took place in that house, then whoever stitched Huntley up can also be seen to have A) coroberated that no dna evidence was found at the house, or B) cleaned the house professionally themselves.

I still believe that Huntley killed those girls, however i don't think he was alone - he isn't clever enough to pull this case off.

[amaralsright]

Why cut all the clothes off the body?

Why only partially burn them?

Because you can claim that the heat destroyed any DNA?

I don't get this, according to the case against him he went to a lot of trouble to cover it up but was incredibly sloppy with the clothes.

He might as well have had a sign on his back saying "I did it".

He was arrested before the discovery of the clothes and the bodies.

Something isn't right here.

[amaralsright]

Huntley was put in Rampton before he was charged.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2205778.stm

The 28-year-old was also sectioned under the Mental Health Act 1983 in the early hours of Tuesday and moved to Rampton high security hospital in Nottinghamshire.

Detectives drove to Rampton late on Tuesday afternoon to formally charge him with the murders.

Whatever happened to his basic rights?

[pureheart]

Take a look into how many US soldiers have gone home and murdered women after active duty overseas. A lot of them suffer from severe PTSD.

Having said that, Huntley admits disposing of the bodies here...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-203171/Huntley-tells-burning-bodies.html

[amaralsright]

Having said that, Huntley admits disposing of the bodies here...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-203171/Huntley-tells-burning-bodies.html

That's very interesting.

He had been in a mental institute for 12 months at this point.

Who knows what went on in there.

The lack of DNA is still a puzzle.

[merlincove]

The lack of DNA is still a puzzle.

i'll say again, the lack of dna isn't a puzzle when you think outside the official box.

if the girls were killed in the woods then no dna would have been found in the house.

Why would the girls dna not be in the house? Maybe, because they were never in the house?

Come on guys.

[pureheart]

I admit that I have never felt that he was guilty. I thought it was very suspicious the way the police behaved at the time and the fact that they were adamant that the perp was someone from Soham even before the girls' bodies had been discovered.

It is far more likely that they suspected that soliders from Lakenheath were inolved and could not afford an international incident which would lessen the support for the illegal invasion of Iraq. Wouldn't want to make our American allies look bad now would we? Huntley was the perfect fall guy as he already had a police record.

What makes the least sense of all is why someone would remove clothes before torching a body. Surely they would have used the clothing to make the fire burn hotter and longer? And there would be no question of the girls not being identified so why remove the clothes and take them and put them somewhere where they will be immediately linked to you? Especially when you've gone to the trouble of taking the bodies far away? It's so clearly an attempt to frame him.

Or maybe they were convinced it was him but planted the evidence to ensure a speedy conviction?

[amaralsright]

I know, lack of DNA does indicate the the girls were probably not there and the fact he was supposed to have struggled with them makes it even more probable that it never happened in the house.

Not a single piece of DNA, not a hair, nothing.

[merlincove]

What makes the least sense of all is why someone would remove clothes before torching a body. Surely they would have used the clothing to make the fire burn hotter and longer? And there would be no question of the girls not being identified so why remove the clothes and take them and put them somewhere where they will be immediately linked to you? Especially when you've gone to the trouble of taking the bodies far away? It's so clearly an attempt to frame him.

Or maybe they were convinced it was him but planted the evidence to ensure a speedy conviction?

Satanic rituals involve the eating of flesh. If the girls were killed in the woods and if they were victims of satanic abuse, why would they have clothes on.

Remember also that the official story says that the bodies were hardly recognisable, which could mean that they had been dissmembered in some way.

There was a clip on site somewhere, i can't recall who it was, but he spoke about satanic killings in the new forest where the remains of bodies had been found minus the skin from their backs.

[merlincove]

Edit, it was Dean Warwick, looking for the recording now.

More on him here:

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/4007/48/

[merlincove]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhoX2rvnMBI

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[pureheart]

Satanic rituals involve the eating of flesh. If the girls were killed in the woods and if they were victims of satanic abuse, why would they have clothes on.


Exactly. If Huntley was supposed to have killed them in his bathroom 'by accident', then why would he have removed the clothes before burning the bodies? It doesn't make any sense. Even if he undressed them then surely he would have used the clothes to get the fire to take.

It's all so horrible. I don't think we will ever find out the truth of what happened but I just pray that the girls didn't suffer and that it was over very quickly. :(

[velma]

4,000 US military personell stationed at RAF Lakenheath, returning (traumatised) from Afghanistan and poised for deployment in the Iraq War, but none were ever questioned, despite the bodies being found at their perimeter fence, where there are servicemen with a record of this type of abduction, rape and murder abroad.

Tony Blair and George Bush needed a scandal like this, like a hole in the head. So, TPTB sectioned Ian Huntley and the psychiatrists at Rampton set to work, erasing his memory with Propanol, and implanting a fake one, which no-one would believe in court, about the far-fetched nosebleed and accidental drowning etc

The coroner has never disclosed the cause of death, or injures sustained by these two girls. Neither has it ever been said or even proven that Huntley molested (or killed) these girls at his home, only heavily implied by the gutter press, while Maxine Carr was treated like Myra Hindley, for believing her boyfriend, who said he was gong to be stitched up.

Huntley has been ABLE to overdose on pills three times while in high security prisons, in alleged suicide attempts. He will die in prison because he is a liabilty, should his true memories begin to surface... But who would believe him anyway? The 'Sun' has done such a job on him, it is heresy to claim he is innocent. If I went public with my opinions, I'd be hounded by a baying mob, with torches and pitchforks.

That says it all really.

[amaralsright]

The coroner has never disclosed the cause of death, or injures sustained by these two girls.

Really?

I would have thought that would be brought up at the trial.

Was it not?

[velma]

It's all so horrible. I don't think we will ever find out the truth of what happened but I just pray that the girls didn't suffer and that it was over very quickly. :(


Sadly, I doubt that very much... which is why the bodies had to be burned, otherwise ,it could have been proven that Holly and Jessica were not the victims of one solitary (random) individual... :(

[velma]

Really?

I would have thought that would be brought up at the trial.

Was it not?

Not to my knowledge. If you find the autopsy report and cause of death, please share it.

[icarus]

I've always thought there was a link to the nearby American military base, but then I don't like the American military so I may be biased.

They certainly don't show much regard for children in their "wars" though, so the idea they'd slaughter two of the locals and cover it up by stitching up a patsy is not at all far fetched.

Unless you see the world as their media present it, that is, in which case it's way out there, the American military (and ours) being heroes engaged in defending freedom and democracy and all that.

[amaralsright]

The part burned shirts had to be explained in the trial. This is how Huntley explained it:

MR COWARD
having poured some petrol on to the cloths in the bin, did you set fire to it?

IAN HUNTLEY
yes.

MR COWARD
how long did it burn for?

IAN HUNTLEY
I only let it burn for a few minutes before I poured water out of the cleaner's bottle to put the fire out.

MR COWARD
so you poured water on to clothing to put the fire out?

IAN HUNTLEY
yes.

MR COWARD
when you had done that, did you look in the bin to see what was left?

IAN HUNTLEY
I can't recall if I did or didn't.

MR COWARD
you see, we know, because we have seen the photographs, that if you take the top of the bin out, the red shirts are obvious, aren't they? I think we are about to see, with the help of my learned friend, exactly the photograph I have in mind. There we are. A number of questions here, Mr Huntley why did you try to dispose of the clothing at the college?

IAN HUNTLEY
I'm not really sure.

MR COWARD
why didn't you make sure that they were so consumed by the fire as to be unrecognisable?

IAN HUNTLEY
I don't, I don't think there was much in the way of rational thinking going on.

MR COWARD
did you ever go back to look in the bin on another day?

IAN HUNTLEY
no.

Petrol on burning shirts left for a few minutes? They were not very burned, someone would have to have set fire to them and douse it immediately to get them in the state they are in.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39528000/jpg/_39528236_shirts203pa.jpg

If Huntley was telling the truth there is no reason for him to lie about this.

Can you douse a petrol fire with water anyway?

Those shirts do not look like they have suffered minutes of flame from a petrol fire in a bin.

This is screwy.

[mcmenek1]

Hi,

The reason Huntley was framed for the murders is because of the vibration frequency of the name Huntley, the name Huntley has a vibration frequency of 33 this is a female vibration frequency, this is one of the vibration frequencies that “The Powers That Be” are deliberately attaching negativity too to lower our vibration frequency & throw us out of balance, this in turn lowers our conscious awareness, the deliberate murder of the girls was a mass subconscious programming event for the public controlled from start to finish by “The Powers That Be”, for more on this and similar negative events like this event see these threads…….

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1979

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11150

Love
&
Peace

[amaralsright]

Right...

I think....

..the girls were probably in his house.

Because a conversation was secretly recorded between Maxine Carr and Ian Huntley's mother (Lynda Nixon) after her arrest in which she says Ian told her "‘Yeah, but the thing is Maxine, they came in our house".

This isn't the result of any Rampton brain-washing, this has come from Maxine Carr herself whilst in prison. It is also essentially the same story Huntley told in court, he had told Carr the same story up to the point of nose-bleeds (although she said he said Jessica had the nose-bleed).

This link has more details: http://hctr.blogspot.com/2003_11_01_archive.html

If they were actually in his house after 6.30pm then it doesn't look good for him.

He did intially claim (in another secretly recorded conversation with his mother) that someone must have followed the girls and took them after they had been in his house.

I think the odds are stacked against him, it is of course still possible the girls were taken after they left his house but if the story about nose-bleeds, tissues and entering the house is true then the turning off of Jessicas mobile at 6.46pm doesn't leave much time for all that and an abduction.

The DNA is still puzzling me though.

[bettyboo]

Wasn't there also a desire to get Huntley out of the way because he had invented a device that deals with the dust issue when using floor polishing devices. Did he not patent something that was set to make him a billionaire?

[amaralsright]

I'll tell you what Huntley has going for him.. Maxine Carr.

If you read all the things she says in the same link http://hctr.blogspot.com/2003_11_01_archive.html I get the feeling she genuinely believes it couldn't have been him.

She knew him better than anyone, she was adamant that it couldn't have been him.

Plus... why would you suddenly flash decide to kill two girls when you have nothing in your past that indicates any predisposition?

Huntley/Carr were not sexual deviants, no sex games, sure Huntley was accused of statutory rape when in his teens - but that was consentual, she was 15 he was 19 hence "statutory rape".

So where did the lightening urge to kill come from?

This case has my head swimming.

[pureheart]

In those conversations with his mother he doesn't seem to know anything about anything. He'd clearly been drugged or brainwashed.

[amaralsright]

I didn't know this.

Ian Huntley told police and Maxine Carr that the dog had cracked the bath on the day Holly and jessica disappeared. (they did have a big dog but still..).

The cracked bath was actually produced in court (yes they brought it in).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3239430.stm

He was having a bad day.

Not good.

I'm glad I wasn't on the jury.

Why the hell would he suddenly decide to kill two kids?

[amaralsright]

Ah bollocks... the bath has done it for me.

His story about the dog is crap.

The only question is why did he do it?

[amaralsright]

There comes a point where the story gets streched a little too far.

Later that month she telephoned Mrs Nixon again and said she had told police about the cracked bath at College Close.

The court has heard she explained a soggy carpet in the dining room below by saying the bath had leaked, although the prosecution say there was no evidence that water had come through the ceiling. What caused the crack might become an issue later in the trial.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/4494274/Maxine-Carr-told-persistent-and-devious-lies-to-protect-her-lover.html

The cracked bath is unfortunate.

How do you crack a bath?

[hugo_rune]

Threads like this are the reason why I love trawling around this forum.

Always asking questions and never afraid to debate perceived sensitive subjects.

Bravo one and all.

[pedsi]

There comes a point where the story gets streched a little too far.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/4494274/Maxine-Carr-told-persistent-and-devious-lies-to-protect-her-lover.html

The cracked bath is unfortunate.

How do you crack a bath?

It's not uncommon for baths to crack,especially if one showers in it and is often standing up.:)

[amaralsright]

A lot of this is me writing down my thought processes.

I've gone from doubting Ian Huntley's conviction to actually thinking he doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.

When people have to keep finding excuses for out of the ordinary things.. cracked bath.. tissues.. broken light fittings.. washed curtains.... it gets to the point where it really is stretching it.

I've reached that point.

I'm still puzzled by the ineptly burnt clothes and the lack of DNA though.

And his reasons for the sudden urge to kill two young girls.

[amaralsright]

It's not uncommon for baths to crack,especially if one showers in it and is often standing up.:)

On top of everything else that day.... well... maybe he was just unlucky.

Somehow I can't see a dog doing this.

He cleaned the velvet curtains downstairs the next day as well... this was a man who according to Maxine Carr (and himself) was not especially house proud.

[amaralsright]

Sorry.. she washed the curtains.

He put the duvets in the machine - unusually.

And she denied that she would have become suspicious when she saw the duvet in the washing machine on her return, even though Mr Huntley never did the laundry.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3291503.stm

[timelord]

Don't people on this site love defending nonces.

There is a website out there that suggests that the culprit was an US airman - at the time before the Iraq/Afghan war, it was felt that it wasn't advisable to get an American soldier in the dock for these killings.

Think of where they were found - next to an American airbase.

[amaralsright]

There is a website out there that suggests that the culprit was an US airman - at the time before the Iraq/Afghan war, it was felt that it wasn't advisable to get an American soldier in the dock for these killings.

Think of where they were found - next to an American airbase.

The airman didn't put Ian Huntley's duvets in the washing machine or crack his bath did he?

[amaralsright]

And she denied that she would have become suspicious when she saw the duvet in the washing machine on her return, even though Mr Huntley never did the laundry.

When a man unusually starts wanting things washed, there's a problem.

This was a highly suspicious thing to do.

[amaralsright]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-204224/Carr-affair-teen-lover.html

She described arriving home in Soham to find Huntley had washed their duvet and said her immediate thought was that he had another woman and was trying to get rid of the smell of perfume.

Man washing duvet.

She's right.

Something was up.

[paolo]

amaralsright - I don't see how your findings of 'nothing adds up', points to Huntley's guilt. The lack of DNA cleaned away by miracle Flash products clearly demonstrates the nonsense of his own story and the prosecution's story. Much of the other forensic evidence suggests either a fixing of the scene after the event, or that he was in some kind of controlled state already.
The sloppiness of the shirt burning for example is in complete contrast to the fastidious cleanings and the tyre changing.
If you look at that section of the trial transcript, if it exists still, where he describes in court his time and experiences in Rampton, he says, to paraphrase as I haven'the transcript to hand..
"I couldn't remember what happened... I heard voices in my head saying 'you must have killed her...you must have killed her' ", evidence I'd have thought of false memory implant, - an article on the reality of this was published synchronistically in the Guardian during the same week of the trial's conclusion -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2003/dec/04/science.research1.
I remember I sent this link at the time to forum member here Velma, who forwarded to Joe Vialls, who added it as an addendum to his Holly and Jessica piece.
The 'nothing adds up' points away from Huntley's conscious guilt, whatever he may still believe himself, and towards some variant of the Patsy theory

[amaralsright]

amaralsright - I don't see how your findings of 'nothing adds up', points to Huntley's guilt. The lack of DNA cleaned away by miracle Flash products clearly demonstrates the nonsense of his own story and the prosecution's story. Much of the other forensic evidence suggests either a fixing of the scene after the event, or that he was in some kind of controlled state already.
The sloppiness of the shirt burning for example is in complete contrast to the fastidious cleanings and the tyre changing.
If you look at that section of the trial transcript, if it exists still, where he describes in court his time and experiences in Rampton, he says, to paraphrase as I haven'the transcript to hand..
"I couldn't remember what happened... I heard voices in my head saying 'you must have killed her...you must have killed her' ", evidence I'd have thought of false memory implant, - an article on the reality of this was published synchronistically in the Guardian during the same week of the trial's conclusion -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2003/dec/04/science.research1.
I remember I sent this link at the time to forum member here Velma, who forwarded to Joe Vialls, who added it as an addendum to his Holly and Jessica piece.
The 'nothing adds up' points away from Huntley's conscious guilt, whatever he may still believe himself, and towards some variant of the Patsy theory

Hey, I know there's a lot of strange shit - he was stitched up to some extent, the way that Police do - I think someone helped the case along the way.

However... he washed the duvets the next day and he had and unfortunate accident with the bath.

Case closed.

[paolo]

Hey, I know there's a lot of strange shit - he was stitched up to some extent, the way that Police do - I think someone helped the case along the way.

However... he washed the duvets the next day and he had and unfortunate accident with the bath.

Case closed.

No, I disagree. Case not closed. Consider - the dog broke the bath? Completely nutty. All the washings? His own "defense" that his counsel allowed him to say in court, about the nosebleeds, and his 'accidental' reactions. There's not a single thing that Huntley came up with himself during his trial that could possibly be believed by anyone else of rational thinking in the entire world, other than perhaps himself.
And this was his 'defence'?
It utterly ensured his conviction and guilt, as the counsel who put him in the dock must have been fully aware that it would.
If his Barrister and team had been out to defend him, they would not have allowed him to present his evidence. Think how the adversarial system works.
He was wrapped up good and proper by all sides, wanting to promote the insane 'every adult is a potential paedophile abuser/murderer' agenda which grows in strength from year to year, and leads to the social service child-stealing programme now clearly in operation
A grounding trauma-based event still very much exploited, and as full of holes as 9/11

[amaralsright]

Maxine Carr said he washed the duvets, she thought he was having an affair.

The bath WAS cracked that day and was brought into court as evidence.

[iq_145]

Case closed.


From the JFK thread:

You [i.e., amaralsright] joined in October 2009 (last month) and already [he has] made over 451 posts!

Motivation? :D

[amaralsright]

Ah.. ad hominem.

Nice.

[paolo]

Maxine Carr said he washed the duvets, she thought he was having an affair.

The bath WAS cracked that day and was brought into court as evidence.

Maxine Carr said he washed the duvets, she thought he was having an affair.
- Odd behaviour, he was allegedly on a cleaning mission

The bath WAS cracked ..... and was brought into court as evidence

[amaralsright]

You [i.e., amaralsright] joined in October 2009 (last month) and already [he has] made over 451 posts!

Yes that's 13 a day, none of them particularly lengthly, most of them short, and to the point.

What's your point?

[amaralsright]

- Odd behaviour,

Absolutely.

Man decides to wash duvets who never does laundry.

Something is wrong.

[paolo]

Absolutely.

Man decides to wash duvets who never does laundry.

Something is wrong.
Yep, maybe, not necessarily guilt of unmeditated or premeditated frenzied murder. An allegation, not even shown to be correct. The whole thing is wrong, to be sure.

[amaralsright]

An allegation, not even shown to be correct.

Not an allegation.

A statement by Maxine Carr his biggest defender.

And the bath was really cracked.

I'm not sure why he killed them, but I've kicked this around for a while now (in this thread) I've gone from one extreme to the other, now I think he killed them.

Why though?

I think someone may have planted the shirts to get it over with.

[talulah]

Don't people on this site love defending nonces.

aye.

[paolo]

Not an allegation.

A statement by Maxine Carr his biggest defender.

And the bath was really cracked.

I'm not sure why he killed them, but I've kicked this around for a while now (in this thread) I've gone from one extreme to the other, now I think he killed them.

Why though?

I think someone may have planted the shirts to get it over with.

That's totally illogical. I think your initial impulses were right and you've coursed through the circumstantial evidence, which may well have been fixed after the event, including even Maxine Carr's evidence, who in light of Huntley's defence may have been wavering in her belief system, and looking after herself
A cracked bath proves nothing, a complete absence of DNA in the same bathroom in which someone was bleeding and children were supposely killed suggests something else
The thing hinges purely on Huntley's recall which is completely mad and should never have been presented

[amaralsright]

the same bathroom in which someone was bleeding suggests something else

Now you are doing what you accuse me of.

There was bleeding?

Listen, he killed them, he started doing unusual things almost immediately - even Maxime Carr said so but she tried to see it as something else.

Between 6.32pm and 6.46pm the girls fate was sealed. Their deaths involved the bath and the bedding.

I learnt a lot in the last few days.

His mother knows.

She wants him dead.

[paolo]

Originally Posted by moon monkey
Don't people on this site love defending nonces.

aye.
Nope - just the faking of "nonces" for public mind manipulation.
The biggest "nonces" are in control - the Bushes,Blair, Rothschilds, the UK and US defence departments, the Rockefellers, the global corporations, common purpose,Dyncorps, you could go on and on with the rapists, childkillers, perverts in control

[paolo]

Now you are doing what you accuse me of.

There was bleeding?

Listen, he killed them, he started doing unusual things almost immediately - even Maxime Carr said so but she tried to see it as something else.

Between 6.32pm and 6.46pm the girls fate was sealed. Their deaths involved the bath and the bedding.

I learnt a lot in the last few days.

His mother knows.

She wants him dead.

There's no forensic evidence for the time AND place
It's all dependent on his own (implanted) false recall
btw you don't get rid of dna by putting stuff in the washing machine
You washed bedding will still contain your dna traces

[meksar]

He was framed or possibly part of it, but there is no doubt in my opinion this was the work of the establishment. Dean Warwick who spoke about this and the true nature of child abuse in the U.K was assassinated using a electronic low frequency weapon which caused him to collapse and die whilst giving a talk.

[amaralsright]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1448464/I-thought-hed-had-a-woman-in-the-house.html

When police went to the house the day after the girls disappeared they noticed bedding on the washing line even though it was raining. Huntley has told the jury that Carr left it when she went to Grimsby.

Is there a Police statemnt verifying this?

[paolo]

He was framed or possibly part of it, but there is no doubt in my opinion this was the work of the establishment. Dean Warwick who spoke about this and the true nature of child abuse in the U.K was assassinated using a electronic low frequency weapon which caused him to collapse and die whilst giving a talk.
Precisely - this small sector in Lytham St Annes had to be silenced. Warwick's own audiofrequency device is very good by the way. I still use it for localised complaints

[kittytia]

i cant make my mind up on this one but i feel the truth will never come out

[crystalline]

I've read details of some of the most heinous crimes done to children, the fact that very few details have been released about what had happened to these two beautiful little girls makes me feel that there is some kind of cover up, the reason why, I don't know, but there is definitely a rabbit away somewhere:confused:

[amaralsright]

There's no forensic evidence for the time AND place
It's all dependent on his own (implanted) false recall
btw you don't get rid of dna by putting stuff in the washing machine
You washed bedding will still contain your dna traces

Here's some key questions.

Was it accepted before his arrest that he was the last known person to see them?
Did Ian Huntley claim he was the last person to see them alive before his arrest?
Did Ian Huntely tell people they entered the house before his arrest?

I think it's yes on all three counts.

[amaralsright]

On the other hand.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/aug/14/childprotection.children

Sunday August 4
7pm Ian Webster, a taxi driver heading south from Soham, Cambridgeshire, along the A142 towards Newmarket, Suffolk, sees a motorist struggling with two children and swerving across the road. It is the evening of the girls' disappearance

This would also fit the phone signal to Burwell mast.

But if the murders happened in Newmarket why move the bodies to Lakenheath and involve the USAF?

Argh... I don't know.

The cracked bath still does it for me.

Also Maxine Carr telling his Mother about Huntley saying "the girls entered the house". But she might have been saving herself at this point.

But there is a nagging doubt.

[amaralsright]

Taxi driver Ian Webster dismisses his own report.

Ian Webster, 56, told the Evening Standard: "The clock on my dashboard tells the wrong time and I was going by that. It is an hour forward, when I thought I saw the car at 7.01pm, it was actually 6.01pm."

He said the timing of his sighting made it impossible for it to have been Jessica and Holly.

Mr Webster added: "I accept now that what I saw adds up to nothing more than a bizarre set of coincidences."

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-429851-witness-tells-of-staring-couple.do

I wonder when he realised his clock was wrong.

[amaralsright]

on the 15th August the girls were still being reported as last seen at the war memorial - or Sergio's Italian restaurant which is there.

Save for the occasional presence of a police helicopter overhead, Soham is silent, slumbering in the sun. This, though, is not a summer scene to cherish. Nobody is laughing and shouting. The workmen outside Sergio's, the Italian restaurant opposite the war memorial, the exact spot where Holly and Jessica were last seen, aren't cracking jokes and whistling at girls.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-429782-soham-has-fallen-silent.do

[amaralsright]

Again.

The last sighting being treated as confirmed by police was at 7.20pm by a Soham woman Margaret Willers, who said she saw the 10-year-olds outside Sergio's Italian restaurant in the town's high street.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-133697/Missing-girls-School-caretaker-girlfriend-quizzed.html

[amaralsright]

18th August - day after the arrest.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/aug/18/childprotection.society4

At 6.17 CCTV footage showed the girls crossing the car park of the Ross Peers sports centre. They may have bought sweets from the vending machine. Other sightings place them at 6.45 in the centre of Soham. Finally, at 7.20, Margaret Willers, 43, spotted the girls walking on the High Street near Sergio's Italian restaurant. She knew them and mentioned it to her husband, Mick. What happened next is unknown. 'As we drove back 10 minutes later, I looked out for them. But they had gone,' Willers said.

[amaralsright]

The People - 11th August

http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/people-london-england-the/mi_7998/is_2002_August_11/stopped-hunt-jessica-hollyas-police/ai_n36707416/

Mick Willers, 50, and his wife Margaret, 48, are tortured with guilt that they didn't stop to ask the girls what they were doing.

The couple drove past the 10-year-olds walking along Soham High Street at 7.25pm last Sunday.

Margaret, who lives just a few streets away from Holly and dad Kevin, sobbed as she said: "I recognised them and thought it was strange for Holly's dad to allow her out that late.


What happened to Mr and Mrs Willers?

[amaralsright]

I've searched.

I can find no explanation of why the widely reported Willers statement was discarded.

Anyone?

[velma]

Where is the CCTV footage of Huntley driving off to dump the bodies, then returning the following day to burn them (risky) remove their clothes and partially burn them at his place of work? (Foolish.)

How do you fit two grown girls into the boot of a Panda?

His employers said he was conscientious and gave him a glowing report.

Joe Vialls' said the football shirts had no DNA traces at all, (bought online) neither Huntley's or the girls.

The reason they could not implant a false memory of him abusing or murdering the girls was because it was against his basic nature and his mind would have rejected the notion, hence, the convoluted garbage presented at the trial, which was supposed to make you form your own conclusions which (with the help of the Sun) most people did.

[amaralsright]

Detectives were certain they were at the war memorial at 6.45

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-132427/Missing-girls-police-appeal-abductor.html

But detectives stressed that the sighting near the garage had not been confirmed.
They said they were certain the girls had been near the war memorial in Soham at about 6.45pm on Sunday and had been walking up the main street towards the town centre at about 6.30pm.

[amaralsright]

The Sun - 6th August

The search for the missing pair continued today with police acting on information given by a woman who saw two girls matching Holly's and Jessica's description at 6.45am yesterday.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article150100.ece

[amaralsright]

Somebody moved FOUR sightings at the war memorial at 6.45 to 6.15/6.20 ish.

What is the story behind all this - who were these people and what happened the to Willers story? Margaret Willers is still listed as a cleaner on the Soham College website.

As you may gather I'm still floundering around with this story... the bath and excessive cleaning still has me in it's sway but there are so many anomalies.

[amaralsright]

Day six of the trial as reported by The BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3264481.stm

Eyewitness Lucy Tuck said her husband Mark spotted the girls walking along the side of the road on the night they disappeared and said, "Oh look, two little Beckhams!"

Is that it?

What time did this occur? Can it be pinned down accurately? Driving someone to work is a good event for fixing time.

I must look at the court transcript for day 6.

[amaralsright]

The Lucy Tuck statement was mentioned at the trial on 12th November 2003.

I can only find transcripts of 13th movember onwards.

Anyone able to help?

[amaralsright]

Airport fireman David Thomas spotted them on his way home from work.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3264481.stm


Airport fireman David Thomas spotted both girls driving home from work on the Sunday evening.

Again, no details.

[amaralsright]

Strange thing to say about the mobile phone being switched off:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1446018/Jessicas-mobile-is-vital-clue-to-murder.html

From the trial:

Mr Latham said: "Within the suggested area of the girls' movements, the only location where - according to the expert - Jessica's phone is likely to have been deregistered from the Vodafone network through the Burwell beacon is in the area by Soham Village College, right outside number 5."

Does that include inside number 5?

I know from bitter experience that being indoors can severely affect a signal.

[sherlock]

Even stranger when you consider that - 'according to the experts' - the first reported last signal from jessica's phone was said to have been a good few miles north of soham at around 1.00am on the monday morning; apparently around seven hours after they were both abducted. That, of course, was quickly retracted. ??
I vowed that i would not let my conspiratorial mind get in the way of whoever the police found for this terrible crime before they found Huntley. It, 'physically', stood to reason that the two girls were, in all likelihood, taken by more than one person. But, right up to the trial, i had nothing but questions! It was'nt until after the trial that i became aware that anybody else AT ALL had actually been asking the exact same questions AND MORE!
Glad to know that I was'nt alone.
We cant all be mad!!

[michael_mac]

Even stranger when you consider that - 'according to the experts' - the first reported last signal from jessica's phone was said to have been a good few miles north of soham at around 1.00am on the monday morning; apparently around seven hours after they were both abducted. That, of course, was quickly retracted. ??
I vowed that i would not let my conspiratorial mind get in the way of whoever the police found for this terrible crime before they found Huntley. It, 'physically', stood to reason that the two girls were, in all likelihood, taken by more than one person. But, right up to the trial, i had nothing but questions! It was'nt until after the trial that i became aware that anybody else AT ALL had actually been asking the exact same questions AND MORE!
Glad to know that I was'nt alone.
We cant all be mad!!

These girls dissapeared on 4th August 2002 this was the year of her Majesty's Golden Jubilee Celebrations wasn't it -TWO THOUSAND OF TWO!

According to this article they searched Huntley's house and college area and found nothing. Then 1 week latter searched again but this time found the girls half burned football shirts in a bin. http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/ian_huntley/index.html

That seems a bit odd, surely if you had done these murders and had your house searched you would then make sure that you disposed of any evidence when you got the chance. Why leave obvious evidence visible at the scene? Was it planted? Was he framed?

[zenith82]

I've not read much into this case though i also believed there was more too it at the time. Just wanted to add about the cracked bath.....my cat cracked my bath a couple of years ago, she knocked the toothbrush holder into it and completely ruined it, what exactly did he say the dog done to the bath??

[michael_mac]

Ian Huntley's QC spoke for him at his trial and "confessed" to the murders on his behalf, because Huntley was a complete wreck after his stay in Rampton and unable to string a coherhent sentence together.

See here: http://www.illuminati-news.com/102006b.htm

It was a very strange case I think once they "got the man" a lot of people just shut out any doubt as they wanted to see someone caught for it and punished. This case I think traumatised the nation (United Kingdom UK) more than any other similar case, why was this?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampton_Secure_Hospital#History

[sherlock]

Whilst i always enjoy a good debate about 'conspiracies' and 'theorizing' about things with so many unanswered questions, such as the soham murders, i find myself becoming increasingly frustrated that nobody seems to be taking it up with the relevant authorities. I was brought up with a strong sense of right and wrong and to question everything. Also, when a wrong has been found, to right it. I know that, to some, I may sound naive but surely those 'in charge' are not all robots controlled and paid for by the state?! Most people become police officers and lawyers BECAUSE they have enquiring minds.
Has anybody approached his lawyer, the authorities with all of these perfectly valid questions? Or know of anyone who has? After all, if all of our theorizing has any relevance in the truth, there is a strong chance an innocent man is in prison for committing the sickest crime that can ever be committed.
Unless and until someone does, rock the boat - so to speak - , simply talking about it on sites such as these will not get us anywhere!
We know the anomalies and problems with the case against Huntley, we know the unanswered questions - so -
...What do we do now?
I'm interested. Any ideas?

[michael_mac]

Whilst i always enjoy a good debate about 'conspiracies' and 'theorizing' about things with so many unanswered questions, such as the soham murders, i find myself becoming increasingly frustrated that nobody seems to be taking it up with the relevant authorities. I was brought up with a strong sense of right and wrong and to question everything. Also, when a wrong has been found, to right it. I know that, to some, I may sound naive but surely those 'in charge' are not all robots controlled and paid for by the state?! Most people become police officers and lawyers BECAUSE they have enquiring minds.
Has anybody approached his lawyer, the authorities with all of these perfectly valid questions? Or know of anyone who has? After all, if all of our theorizing has any relevance in the truth, there is a strong chance an innocent man is in prison for committing the sickest crime that can ever be committed.
Unless and until someone does, rock the boat - so to speak - , simply talking about it on sites such as these will not get us anywhere!
We know the anomalies and problems with the case against Huntley, we know the unanswered questions - so -
...What do we do now?
I'm interested. Any ideas?

I don't think you'd have much chance even if you were a member of the family? You would need access to evidence and so on.

Some paranoid conspiracy theorist:eek: said they were a ritual sacrifice for the Queens Golden Jubilee! Both girls were 10, 2 tens = 20. Year 2002. Two Thousand and Two years and the 50th year of the Reign of Queen Elizebeth 2!

http://www.justjustice.org/

I don't know whether they are right?

[godgoo]

didn't he confess to the murders, in the SUN??

[michael_mac]

didn't he confess to the murders, in the SUN??

Here's the Paranoid Conspiracy Theorist...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y-5qznj6wo

Something isn't right though. If you'd done something as awful as this and been sane, would you dump the bodies near to an air-force base where there was a chance you could be spotted? When for miles around the area are woods and marshes etc:confused:

Why was he immiediately taken to a secure mental hospital and then deemed to be mentally sound, that is very unusual.

[pri01]

didn't he confess to the murders, in the SUN??

You shouldn't really believe the date they put on the front page of this paper.:D

[white horse]

I am concerned by the treatment he got once arrested, he was put into a mental institute (on the grounds he was confused about why he was arrested - who wouldn't be if you were innocent) and fed drugs which messed with his mind.


I don't have any info on the witnesses but this is a dirty tactic that they use when they are dealing with political issues or where they have little or no evidence.

This bypasses the entire judiciary process. You can be held indefinately on a section by the personal say-so of the Home Secretary. You are not entitled to a lawyer. You are not entitled to a phone call or any visitors. You are no longer a legal entity. You are not held for a crime, you are held for your own protection - and your only advocate is through a doctor. if that doctor refuses to release you you will stay. That doctor can be instructed by the Home Office.

In short the mental helath act can be used as a black hole to 'disappear' people. There was a poor woman in the states who was given this treatment for question the officila story on 911.

This tactic will be used mroe and more as they go after conspiracy groups, turthers and political activists.

I find that they used this for Huntley immediately suspicious... there is no reason, if htey suspect him of such a serious crime they only need circumstantial evidence for a judge to keep him in custody and for the CPS to prepare a case; unless the accused has a strong alibi or evidence to the contrary and needs to be kept quiet. The mental health act will do just that - they can pump any substance into him without any legal basis to keep him quiet, all on the say-so of a doctor. And nobody would give him the time of day at all - suspected paedophile killer in a mental institution...? Nothing he says will be given any credence.

HOWEVER - suspected killer awaiting trial has an equal voice, as he is fully innocent until proven guilty and would indeed sell papers... especially if he were screaming through a megaphone that he was a) innocent and b) could prove it. The police and prosecutors would have a PR nightmare on their hands.

So better to play the mental health joker!

[jakemaverick]

then there is this one

http://clareswinney.wordpress.com/incarcerated-in-a-psychiatric-ward-because-i-said-911-was-an-inside-job/

victims number in the many thousands! another one in the sig...

[mystic nomad]

Hi,

The reason Huntley was framed for the murders is because of the vibration frequency of the name Huntley, the name Huntley has a vibration frequency of 33 this is a female vibration frequency, this is one of the vibration frequencies that “The Powers That Be” are deliberately attaching negativity too to lower our vibration frequency & throw us out of balance, this in turn lowers our conscious awareness, the deliberate murder of the girls was a mass subconscious programming event for the public controlled from start to finish by “The Powers That Be”, for more on this and similar negative events like this event see these threads…….

Fred and Rose West lived in a village just outside Gloucester called Huntley.

I will attempt to find some evidence to back this part up but during the enquiry into Holly and Jessica something like 120 old bill were pulled in for questioning. Most of them were from child protection, vice and drug squads.

Eventually quite a few (into double figures if I remember correctly) were charged and sentenced. Charges ranged from falsifying evidence, perverting the course of justice and being in possession of child porn.

[mystic nomad]

Wasn't there also a desire to get Huntley out of the way because he had invented a device that deals with the dust issue when using floor polishing devices. Did he not patent something that was set to make him a billionaire?

Apparently so, I heard he registered it at the patent office too, so shouldn't be to hard to substantiate?


There were questions as to how someone with his past history passed the CRB checks to get the job in the first place. Apparently he had changed one digit in his date of birth on the application form and slipped through.

Also the investigation centred mainly on Huntley when in a lot of peoples eyes it was Maxine Carr that should have been looked at more closely.


There is so much more to this than immediately meets the EYE.

Soham - the name (I've always felt there's something in that name?) and the general area surrounding it.

Holly Wells.

The numbers involved, dates, ages etc.

The huge religious and military interest, coupled with the multitude energy lines and centres that can be found in, around and passing through the vicinity.

All the other mysterious events that have been reported over the years in that area.

All coincidence of course ;)

Too many loose ends..........

[sherlock]

Whilst i respect anybody's viewpoint as regards 'ley-lines', religion, witchcraft and reptillian aliens ruling our planet - i, personally, dont go for any of it. The truth of this matter - like most 'true' conspiracy theories - lies, very much, in the real world and by associating it with these kind of things (especially something as serious as this particular subject) you detract from the main aim; which is to ascertain the truth. Something is seriously wrong with the arrest, treatment and conviction of Ian Huntley. I dont know exactly what it is - but it smells something terrible. There are logical, valid questions surrounding the whole thing that have been asked by normal, rational thinking human beings. Why, then, are we deemed crazy?! All it takes is a brain! Same thing with 9/11! Logical, valid questions! You dont have to come to the same conclusions that most of us on sites like this have - just ask the flamin' questions! Why are so many average Joe's in the street scared of asking questions? We need logical answers to logical questions!
Again - I hope i didnt offend anybody with my opening sentence (respect)- but we need the truth. And, I'm very much afraid, that the truth lies in a world sadly but very much made by man.
(this stuff dont arf get you frusrated, dont it!)

[sherlock]

By the way - The two people who saw 'two little beckhams' saw the girls walking 'AWAY' from Huntleys house at around 6.45 and only two mins 'TOPS' from the war memorial. I know because, like most of the initial reports made during the first few days to a week, they stuck in my brain like glue; hoping that all this evidence would lead to the Real' culprits for this crime. And all of it, by the way, pointed away from Huntley or anybody like Huntley. Good point about Mrs. Williers too. Soham College? Is she afraid of rocking the local boat and consensus and, possibly, losing her job?

[diamond dogs]

Apparently so, I heard he registered it at the patent office too, so shouldn't be to hard to substantiate?


There were questions as to how someone with his past history passed the CRB checks to get the job in the first place. Apparently he had changed one digit in his date of birth on the application form and slipped through.

Also the investigation centred mainly on Huntley when in a lot of peoples eyes it was Maxine Carr that should have been looked at more closely.


There is so much more to this than immediately meets the EYE.

Soham - the name (I've always felt there's something in that name?) and the general area surrounding it.

Holly Wells.

The numbers involved, dates, ages etc.

The huge religious and military interest, coupled with the multitude energy lines and centres that can be found in, around and passing through the vicinity.

All the other mysterious events that have been reported over the years in that area.

All coincidence of course ;)

Too many loose ends..........

I disagree the dustmatic device that he had talks with Numatic about would have made him a fortune and I am not aware of huge religious interests and energy ley line in Soham? The St Michael Ley is south of Newmarket..?

I am not disputing Ian Huntley was stitched up like a kipper..I have always considered the possibility there could be a link between the Newmarket Horse racing fraternity and the case..?

[aratron]

Ian Huntley's QC spoke for him at his trial and "confessed" to the murders on his behalf, because Huntley was a complete wreck after his stay in Rampton and unable to string a coherhent sentence together.

See here: http://www.illuminati-news.com/102006b.htm

Huntley is guilty as hell.

He wasn't even at Rampton for very long.

[sherlock]

Huntley was given the usual 'custodial' sentence to spend at Rampton - the exact amount of days eludes me at present - but kept longer even though the final report said that he was competent to stand trial and not 'insane'. If that was the case - why keep him longer than the standard lengh of time? Again - dont be afraid to ask the question!

[sm1973]

Huntley was given the usual 'custodial' sentence to spend at Rampton - the exact amount of days eludes me at present - but kept longer even though the final report said that he was competent to stand trial and not 'insane'. If that was the case - why keep him longer than the standard lengh of time? Again - dont be afraid to ask the question!

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