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[basilbrook]

See link.

People's thoughts.



http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1282984,00.html

[tinmenace]

It's getting weird out there! :eek:

[julieray]

They don't go into any details of what it was he had to say???? I wonder what the message was that was so important that we would all be in grave danger if we didn't listen to him???:( They seem too busy to make light of the fact that his sanity was questioned than the content of the meeting!! This is not news it is ridicule - as always!!

[mr_moon]

Oh my god!

As if they're reporting that!

And don't you find it interesting that they should mention David Icke in comparison to this man? On National News?

This is going to be VERY interesting...!!

Is it the beginning of the False Flag Invasion? Or a trick? Or just another attempt to debunk someone who is struggling with facing the Truth of Existence (whatever that may be in our individual perceptions of it)

[shodan]

They are getting desperate, every thing is being revealed, we are winning the truth war and paradise is just around the corner.

Glory days are nearly here, I'm manifesting and resonating like you wouldn't believe at the moment.

[kasalt]

He warned that people risk their chances of eternal life if they do not take him seriously.

Wow... What a bunghole.

[mr_moon]

Wow... What a bunghole.

What if he was right though?

[kasalt]

What if he was right though?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but so far as I can tell, no human being has the right to say that "people risk their chances of eternal life if they do not take him seriously." Physical life, maybe. But eternal life??? That's not for him to say or judge. What an absolute crock.

[synergy777]

I am God incarnated as spirit and man

so wrong, we are spirits not the creator.

[tinmenace]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but so far as I can tell, no human being has the right to say that "people risk their chances of eternal life if they do not take him seriously." Physical life, maybe. But eternal life??? That's not for him to say or judge. What an absolute crock.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/avatars/applause.gif

[swdchaos]

It's quite simple, he's got his job back:D

This way he can spout nonsense and do some disinformation to cause confusion, its been going on for years as most of you will know.

Sky never mention David Icke and nor does any other channel unless there is a opportunity to ridicule.

So one thinks take it with a pinch of salt

But I agree it's going to make the evening news interesting and perhaps a movie opportunity soon for "clash of the messiahs’

swdchaos

[julieray]

The Daily Mail printed this on the 15th August 2007, so it looks as though Sky is only repeating old news anyway.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=475616&in_page_id=1770

The MI5 Messiah: Why David Shayler believes he's the son of God
By JANE FRYER - More by this author »

Last updated at 22:03pm on 15th August 2007

David Shayler is sitting before me - slim, tanned, sockless, dressed from top-to-toe in white and very, very chatty.

"I am the messiah and hold the secret of eternal life," he starts excitedly. "It all came about quite suddenly.

"First I started meditating, then I learnt how to channel the "light", and the more research I did - into Freemasonry, the Knights Templar, Kabbalah - the more convinced I became that I was the Christ."

Jesus Christ? "No, Jesus of the New Testament is an archetype," he explains patiently. "His name derives from the 13th Name of God in Kabbalah, which helps activate the Messiah consciousness within us.

"I was, though, crucified with a crown of thorns and nails then incarnated as Astronges, a Jewish revolutionary put to death by the Romans at around the end of the last century BC ...It explained why in this life I had funny shaped wrists and ankles..."

Had? "Yes, look," he says, proffering his tanned arms. "They've pretty much corrected themselves now I've acknowledged the crucifixion - but there used to be big hollows where nails had been bashed in."

The last decade has been a tough one for the former MI5 officer.

Ten years ago this month, he gave a shocking whistle-blowing interview in the Mail on Sunday accusing both MI5 and MI6 of mismanagement and illegal activities and alleging that MI6 had been involved in a failed assassination attempt on the Libyan leader, Colonel Gaddafi.

The story caused a national scandal. David fled to France with his girlfriend, fellow intelligence officer Annie Machon, and finally, after three years in exile and four months in a French jail, returned home in August 2000 to public vilification, threats, a court case, six month jail sentence and a ruined career.

He was bright, unafraid, articulate, angry and, in his decision to breach the Official Secrets Act, either terribly stupid or terribly brave.

Today, he is still bright and articulate and seems terribly well. Until he opens his mouth.

"It was in June that a psychic channelled the spirit of Mary Magdalene and anointed me the messiah and, finally, my whole life made sense.

I realised why I seem to get such a strange deal from the universe, when I've spent my life trying to tell the truth about everything."

He also claims he can affect the weather, prevent terrorist attacks and influence football results. Oh, and that the Rod of Aaron - the staff said to have been carried by Moses's brother - has an anagram written on it in Hebrew which translated says: 'David Shayler, Righteous King'.

"I was decoding it - after all, that's what I was trained to do - and I suddenly realised it goes David S, H, A... and that someone's trying to tell me, because this is the ineffable name of God, someone's trying to tell you you're God..."

And in recent years he's been scratching a living giving talks to conspiracy theorists about the September 11 attacks - last year he was ridiculed for insisting that the Twin Towers of the World Trade Centre were brought down by a U.S. Government conspiracy using "missiles surrounded by holograms made to look like planes".

But this is on a whole different scale. It was back in April that he performed what he calls his first and greatest miracle - securing his beloved team Middlesbrough a place in the UEFA Cup Final.

"It was the quarter-final against Basle and we were 3-0 down after the first leg and needed four goals in the second match to win. I sat there, said to the creator, "give me a sign" and meditated - which is tricky at a football match, because every instinct is to abuse the ref and the opposition and, instead you have to shower them with unconditional love. But I managed to focus and we played like we'd never played before, winning 4-0."

He did it again in the semi-final, against Bucharest.

"Again we were 3-0 down, again I meditated and, bang, we won - a real miracle."

So what about the final, when Middlesbrough lost 4-0 to Seville?

"Ah... interesting question," he says, looking sheepish. "I got drunk and it turns out it doesn't work if you're drunk. You can't focus."

After that, he claims the 'creator' informed him that influencing football results - however dear to his heart - was not an appropriate use of the light. So he changed tack.

"On 28 June, I was told I had to remove darkness from London. I wasn't sure what it was all about, but I stayed up all night meditating and, the next morning, I heard a bomb had been found but no one had been hurt. That was my miracle."

I look up sharply, but he is deadly serious. He claims to be under enormous pressure from his 'higher self' to spread the word. "Suddenly I knew that my mission was to inform humanity about the changes in the universe and spread the spiritual rules of unconditional love, unconditional sharing, never judging and having faith in the universe. If I can convince just one person, it'll be worth it.

"It's hard sometimes, when people say things like, "gosh, he sounds quite articulate, but he's totally mad", but the message is too powerful to ignore."

He has certainly been under a lot of other pressure in his life.

On his and Annie's return to the UK in 2000, he was arrested and held in Belmarsh prison for three weeks before being charged with three counts of breaching the Official Secrets Act. In November 2002 after representing himself in court, he received a six-month sentence.

He was released after just seven weeks, but his life was in tatters.

"It was a nightmare. It'd taken enormous courage to go on the record and I'd risked everything for the truth - my family, my girlfriend, my life - and ended up with no job, no future, no money. I was blacklisted by the secret service and no one would employ me."

None of his 1997 allegations have since been proved wrong.

Rather tellingly, he claimed that Britain's spies were unable to deal with the growing threat of global terrorism, that MI5's obsession with bureaucracy and secrecy prevented crucial information being used to stop bombings and that insufficient agents and inept decision-making meant that terrorist groups were not properly monitored.

"At the end of 2004 I tried meditation - I was so desperate, I'd have tried anything - and my life began to change for the better."

Sadly, his 14-year relationship with Annie could not weather the strain. They split last year and, last week she wrote in a newspaper article that he was a changed man, obsessed with Kabbalah, deeply paranoid, had shaved off his hair and eyebrows, spouted wacky theories and shunned family and friends.

David, however, is having none of it.

"She basically told them I'd gone mad, which was very hurtful. Obviously, my mission is to forgive people and channel unconditional love, but it can be bloody hard sometimes, I'm telling you.

"A lot of what she said wasn't true, including - and I'm not just saying this to score points - how our relationship ended. It was me that finished it, not her. All I can say is she's got a lot of soul searching to do."

While he is likeable, well-spoken, beautifully mannered and very clever, it's all very disturbing.

Particularly when he rattles through his past lives - along with Astronges (the crucified Jewish revolutionary) there's also George Washington, Pythagoras, Socrates, Leonardo da Vinci, Mark Antony and Lawrence of Arabia.

And the all-white wardrobe - is that a Kabbalah thing?

"Actually, it's a Christ thing. You'll notice that T. E. Lawrence - Lawrence of Arabia - started wearing long white robes when he realised he was the Christ. It seems part of the process."

The terrifying thing is how unshakeable his belief is.

"Everyone's initial reaction is that I must be mad. But I'm not. This is the test of the messianic complex - to know in your heart that something is true, even when everyone else in the world is saying you're wrong."

Many would see the phrase 'messianic complex' - in which the sufferer believes they have transcendent powers and are destined to save the world - as an admission of a psychological disorder. Not David.

But has he never had a wobble? "Yes. On June 30 I got up and looked through all my research and

thought, "Bloody hell, Dave, you're not the messiah, you've just gone completely mad - you're hearing voices, what are you playing at?"

"But the next night, there was that attempted terrorist attack on Glasgow airport and I realised it had been a test of faith. I couldn't believe I'd doubted myself."

He has an answer for everything, even when I ask if he ever takes drugs.

"Of course I do. I smoke cannabis but it's been used in religious experiences for years. Oh and magic mushrooms..."

In large quantities? "Erm, not really. I smoke cannabis every day - it makes you more spiritual and less violent and takes you closer to the light."

And makes you hallucinate?

"Yes, if you're not used to it, but I am," he insists firmly.

Even his dramatic weight loss - he used to be a good three stone heavier and all jowls - gets a spiritual spin.

"I've completely changed shape, but I've not been on a diet - it's purely down to spiritual activation."

He's not even concerned about being likened to David Icke, the former Coventry City goalkeeper and sports broadcaster who, in 1991, announced on the Terry Wogan chat show that he was 'the son of God' and believed the world was ruled by secret 12ft shape-shifting reptiles called 'Illuminati'.

David Shayler is somewhat sceptical of the other David.

"He has a lot of interesting things to say, but I don't think he always gets it 100 per cent right. For me it's very simple - no turquoise tracksuits, no cults, it doesn't work like that."

Not surprisingly, his family are very concerned.

"Although I've made it quite clear to my parents I'm not mad, they've been quite critical. But my brothers have been quite good and have listened. "

And while he is the first to acknowledge the enormous strain he's been under, he takes it as evidence that he's right.

"I've been through stress levels that the average human being could not even envisage and I consider it one of my life's great achievements to have come through without cracking up.

"It was the messiah complex that got me through, because truth gives you strength."

My final question is a tricky one. Given it has - albeit only fleetingly - crossed his mind that he might be unbalanced, would he undergo medical tests?

"I'm very happy to take any medical tests that are required, but I know in my heart that I'm not mad. I'm quite obviously sane to anyone who talks to me.

"People might say I'm deranged, but do I look like a deranged man? I've never felt better."

And that's the extraordinary thing, he really does look terribly well. If he could just keep his mouth shut.

[niftymage]

good luck to the guy, maybe he had an epiphany like Icke, maybe he didnt, but does it matter in the grand scheme of things..not really and anything that challanges the herd has to be good.

[julieray]

good luck to the guy, maybe he had an epiphany like Icke, maybe he didnt, but does it matter in the grand scheme of things..not really and anything that challanges the herd has to be good.

I agree with you there, especially when he has said this;

"Obviously, my mission is to forgive people and channel unconditional love, but it can be bloody hard sometimes, I'm telling you."

It can only do good and rattle a few cages along the way which isn't a bad thing.!:)

[tinmenace]

This guy is delusional and this is a total 3D trapping. Getting people to focus on someone else "forgiving" them before they're able to forgive themselves.

We have to be right with ourselves first. Then we can move outwards. *shrugs*

[mr_moon]

This guy is delusional and this is a total 3D trapping. Getting people to focus on someone else "forgiving" them before they're able to forgive themselves.

We have to be right with ourselves first. Then we can move outwards. *shrugs*



You are so correct.

You know, when your awareness of the world expands and you start to uncover things about yourself that you didn't know existed, your intuition plays a massive part in your progression. My intuition tells me, from reading what this guy is saying, that it is a completely manufactured situation.

How many people on this board are in the Media, part of Masonic groups, members of Government, members of the MI5, CIA, FBI? Bloody shitloads i reckon!

This forum is a tremendously powerful, controversial and mind opening place to be and we must be prepared for it to be used in the mass media.

These 'Powers that Be' will have an extremely watchful eye on all of this... they know what's going on... and so they are now playing the 'Spirituality' game.

Unfortunately for a species with a survival intelligence, 'Spirituality' cannot be used as a 'game'. 'Love' isn't a game either.

I can see through all this and i hope you can too xxx

[xdnax]

"the world is run by shapeshifting reptilians".....hmmmm...said so sarcastically, yet its still more convincing than the "truth" about 9/11 and wmd's etc.

......now that's "CRAZY" :)

[julieray]

It is probably a completely farcicle manufactured situation, but if he is spouting sending out unconditional love and people listen and send out unconditional love, there is no harm in that, but I suppose if people start hanging on his every word, they may start listening to the rest of the crap that he may start spreading - though surely alarm bells would be ringing, wouldn't they??? I think mine would!!

[tinmenace]

... and so they are now playing the 'Spirituality' game.

Unfortunately for a species with a survival intelligence, 'Spirituality' cannot be used as a 'game'. 'Love' isn't a game either.


Right! That's their biggest mistake. Making a game of it. THAT'S what makes it such obvious BS. As you say intuition is what guides us when we operate from a higher dimension.

They're unable to grasp the intuitive dimension because they cannot dial into it. Just the same way that we are physically limited by what we can see because we cannot dial into other dimensions (yet). It's the same disbelief or inability to grasp the Reptilian agenda, as seen so often on this forum.

We're getting there. They're way behind, because it starts with suppressing the reptilian brain and functioning from the higher-self. A spiritual evolution which most of us have been working on for years.

This is why the vibrational change is inevitable. :)

[mr_moon]

Right! That's their biggest mistake. Making a game of it. THAT'S what makes it such obvious BS. As you say intuition is what guides us when we operate from a higher dimension.

They're unable to grasp the intuitive dimension because they cannot dial into it. Just the same way that we are physically limited by what we can see because we cannot dial into other dimensions (yet). It's the same disbelief or inability to grasp the Reptilian agenda, as seen so often on this forum.

We're getting there. They're way behind, because it starts with suppressing the reptilian brain and functioning from the higher-self. A spiritual evolution which most of us have been working on for years.

This is why the vibrational change is inevitable. :)

I couldn't have said it better myself!

Much Love to You,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[revolutionary_jam]

Wow Shayler has finally gone ape-shit!

[ladyjane]

David is going through a spiritual crises and is obviously confused. At one level I have a lot of sympathy and compassion for him and those close to him and hope he comes through ok. The tragic thing is he won't say out of the public eye, and this has done immense damage to the 9/11 Truth Campaign, of which he was a figure head. The knock on is that the Truth Campaign has lost alot of credibility because of Shayler's very public spiritual awakening. One wishes he was doing his exploration into the nature of the Self behind closed doors.

David's current predicament has been discussed at length over on the nineeleven.co.uk forum if anyone is interested in knowing more depth.

It is disappointing but predictable that the sheep that pass for mainstream journalists have likened one David to another. Shayler's losing his mind and being a liability, whilst Icke never did and carried himself with dignity, wisdom and humility throughout his equally public spiritual awakening.

[abrilliantone]

It's quite simple, he's got his job back:D

This way he can spout nonsense and do some disinformation to cause confusion, its been going on for years as most of you will know.

Sky never mention David Icke and nor does any other channel unless there is a opportunity to ridicule.

So one thinks take it with a pinch of salt

But I agree it's going to make the evening news interesting and perhaps a movie opportunity soon for "clash of the messiahs’

swdchaos

Brilliant answer :) It could also be some mind controlling at work. Think about it:rolleyes: He comes out exposing what goes on in MI5 MI6 and such. Then years later he comes out saying he's the son of god. Now i don't know about the rest of you. But the way i see it.:eek: All of the people who had their eyes on him and had listened to what he had said. Some, if not all would say "hell this guy turned out to be a nut job." And would throw what he had said in the past out the window. (if he thinks he's the messiah now then the all that MI5 MI6 talk was just a bunch of bollocks) - said the man who once belived him on what really happens in MI5 and MI6.

[sean~infinte]

They are getting desperate, every thing is being revealed, we are winning the truth war and paradise is just around the corner.

Glory days are nearly here, I'm manifesting and resonating like you wouldn't believe at the moment.


exactly exactly!

our five senses look at this world and go omfg its al going down hill but our higher consciousness goes ha all part of the way to paradise

all this is the matrix fearing the paradise a last ditch attept to carry out the immpossible its like what the consciousness said to icke "its a done deal"

[john white]

I'm still going for a dose of claridad myself with regards to Dave Shayler (spirtual awakening leading to confusion not clarity): but even if he was "pushed" the only way forward for him involves taking responsibility for where he is now. Give him time and I feel it possible he will. The "fear the consequences if you don't get behind 2012" line infered in his statements is not a great idea though, and I dont envy him the energetic kickback from that one: it will hit like a mule