The Awakening 2016?

[analog]

I have heard David State recently that the awakening will occur in 2016 rather than 2012, your thoughts on this?.

[mephibosheth]

That it will happen in 2021. Because 'the' date will always get pushed back. Christians have been predicting the end of the world any day now for 2000 years.

OTOH, this 'new' timeline sounds similar to what Maitreya has planned. Which is, of course, more bullshit, lol.

8)

[trappedinameatsuit]

I have heard David State recently that the awakening will occur in 2016 rather than 2012, your thoughts on this?.

When it is 2012 for our current calendar, the real year will be 2016.The real year 2012 was in around 05-06. The Mayans did not count leap years, we're a bit behind on our calendar. Check this thread out if you want to know more. Up to you what you wish to believe. First video, "Secret History of 2012". Things are definitely going to get awesome, though! I believe.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89267

[pegcityevolve]

When it is 2012 for our current calendar, the real year will be 2016.The real year 2012 was in around 05-06. The Mayans did not count leap years, we're a bit behind on our calendar. Check this thread out if you want to know more. Up to you what you wish to believe. First video, "Secret History of 2012". Things are definitely going to get awesome, though! I believe.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89267Wow. So all the planets aligned already, and those 3.5 trillion tonnes of gamma rays have already been hitting us? So many different dates, and so many different calenders, I'm confused.

[theprophet]

Wow. So all the planets aligned already, and those 3.5 trillion tonnes of gamma rays have already been hitting us? So many different dates, and so many different calenders, I'm confused.

Join the club, i dont quite understand it myself.

[simplify]

I have heard David State recently that the awakening will occur in 2016 rather than 2012, your thoughts on this?.

I can't wait that long, have been waiting too long already. Enough, if something doesn 't change very soon, I'll build my own spaceship & blow this popsicle joint.

I'm tired of dates that come & go & the only thing thats changing is TPTB are getting a tighter grip around our throats. People are being murdered by vaccines now & where is the help for humanity.:cool:

[trappedinameatsuit]

Wow. So all the planets aligned already, and those 3.5 trillion tonnes of gamma rays have already been hitting us? So many different dates, and so many different calenders, I'm confused.

How do we know for sure that is what was even supposed to happen? For all we know we're being lied to about everything, you know? Where most get the information from? History Channel? Articles on the net? NASA? lollolol:eek: No one really knows anything unless they're some sort of scholar or archaeologist and can read the Mayan calendar. If that's been done then why hasn't anything major been said about it, officially? I am not sure what I think about it. I, just like everyone else, can only pick and choose what I wish to believe and try to make some sense of it.
I forgot where I read about our calendar being different than the Mayans but I am sure you can type in a search engine of any sort and type in "Calendar not same as Mayan", or, "Mayans didn't count leap years", etc..I'd rather believe in the positive then the negative sayings about it. Beats worrying over something you have no power over.
Some videos aren't working in that thread I provided so here is a video some might like, or not, doesn't matter to me. I have posted it more than enough on here and not sure if it's spamming so I will just tell you what to type in on youtube - "The Secret History of 2012" The lady speaking is Almine. She she has other videos on Ascension, Cosmic Pole Shift, all that stuff, she is suggesting this stuff has already taken place, we physically didn't witness anything because we apparently separated from the old Earth, as she suggests. There should be some links under the user's channel name.

[richmick]

Oh gawd, i was wondering when the date would be pushed back. And when 2016 comes and goes and we are all slaves, the excuse will be, we didn't do enough to make the leap to higher consciousness and it's all our fault (guilt like religions use)we deserve what we get blah blah blah..You know the story. Though David also said it's definitely happening, also talking about an x factor...it's a done deal and all of that...so no excuses from David if it doesn't happen then. Also he said the awakening is not happening in 2016, he said that's when it will be all over, that the awakening is happening now..Big difference.

[deathcultreject]

I have heard David State recently that the awakening will occur in 2016 rather than 2012, your thoughts on this?.

I think the increasing rate of psychic / consciousness awakening peaks at around the 2012 date, but the control freaks don't let go of power status and control immediately.

The more we do for psychic / spiritual / consciousness awakening leading up to 2012 the less the control freaks can and decieve and manipulate as they try to cling to control.

Awakening in this area ripples out and helps other people awaken faster as well.

That's my opinion.

[filinfinland]

I have heard David State recently that the awakening will occur in 2016 rather than 2012, your thoughts on this?.
It will be in december of 2013.

[grannymoose]

please. Don't start another us of on another date.

[particlepopup]

please. Don't start another us of on another date.

Yea lets! We can have a tombola for picking dates and we could have a jumble sale running concurrently and a cake stand n everything!! :)

[deathcultreject]

Yea lets! We can have a tombola for picking dates and we could have a jumble sale running concurrently and a cake stand n everything!! :)

So long as it gives people an inscentive to sort it out, awaken, and be less like vulnerable sheep who stampede and commit atrocities from time to time, I'm happy.

[mrmoney]

He didn't say it would happen in 2016, suddenly. He said it would climax by then.

He provided no real reason why, though.

[gordysmit]

The Awakening! I belive the closer to death we get the more awake we become as we get older we dont care about new stuff look at one foot in the crave

[geewhizz]

i have heard david state recently that the awakening will occur in 2016 rather than 2012, your thoughts on this?.

2020 imo

[filinfinland]

Yea lets! We can have a tombola for picking dates and we could have a jumble sale running concurrently and a cake stand n everything!! :)

That's the spirit

[grannymoose]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/grannymoose/Kermit-dancing.gif

[branjo]

Even if you hold no weight to the ancient cultures that point to this 5,10,15 or 20 year era it makes no difference at all.

The fact that the Law is going apeshit trying to clamp down on any free thought whatsoever is proof enough for me that its them who are shitting themselves because they fear this era more than us. Their only concern is keeping us from waking up to the bullshit that the structure of law is, they have been dreading it for so long, every waking day for them is a possibility that it could be their last day sitting on top of the pile, and they will go to great lengths to prevent that day from ever occurring.

Whether its prophesied or not, the fact that we all think something is going to happen, will make something happen. And they are doing everything within their grasp to stop us even thinking this, they will debunk everything and anything that deals with common people uniting and saying "No". They need our permission to make laws, the fact that they are making insane laws isn't a reflection of their power over us. Its a reflection that they have become accustomed to their power, and at the minute they are shitfaced drunk on it.

By their own refusal to accept 2012 meaning anything, they will actually bring it about. They do know this and they have probably plans to stop it or to steer it in any direction they can to at least be left with a sense of their hierarchy still intact. That's why all these bullshit movies are coming about about 2012, they want people to either laugh it off or to be afraid of anything happening, because that they will consciously prevent it from happening.

So put all the scriptures from however many indigenous cultures aside, the common sense of it all is that whether you like it or not, something is happening right now in each and everyone of us, there is no denying it whatever walk of life you come from.

It doesn't matter who says what is going to happen or when its going to happen, the only thing that can make it 2011, 2012 or 2013 or 2016 or 2020, is simply "us", we control when it happens, not some history book or channeler, or prophesy. The longer we wait like whipped dogs waiting for approval, the longer it will be before we grow up and take responsibility and do what needs to be done.

It could be tomorrow if everyone stopped taking shit one after the other.

So the next time you are "told" to do anything by the system, just say "no", it doesn't matter how long you can hold out, if everyone just starts to test the bounds of their reality, that collective action will start to show weaknesses in the system and before we know it, the whole shithouse will come apart.

[armoured_amazon]

It will happen when it happens. We can't put dates on awakening, imo, only ritual.

[pegcityevolve]

Even if you hold no weight to the ancient cultures that point to this 5,10,15 or 20 year era it makes no difference at all.

The fact that the Law is going apeshit trying to clamp down on any free thought whatsoever is proof enough for me that its them who are shitting themselves because they fear this era more than us. Their only concern is keeping us from waking up to the bullshit that the structure of law is, they have been dreading it for so long, every waking day for them is a possibility that it could be their last day sitting on top of the pile, and they will go to great lengths to prevent that day from ever occurring.

Whether its prophesied or not, the fact that we all think something is going to happen, will make something happen. And they are doing everything within their grasp to stop us even thinking this, they will debunk everything and anything that deals with common people uniting and saying "No". They need our permission to make laws, the fact that they are making insane laws isn't a reflection of their power over us. Its a reflection that they have become accustomed to their power, and at the minute they are shitfaced drunk on it.

By their own refusal to accept 2012 meaning anything, they will actually bring it about. They do know this and they have probably plans to stop it or to steer it in any direction they can to at least be left with a sense of their hierarchy still intact. That's why all these bullshit movies are coming about about 2012, they want people to either laugh it off or to be afraid of anything happening, because that they will consciously prevent it from happening.

So put all the scriptures from however many indigenous cultures aside, the common sense of it all is that whether you like it or not, something is happening right now in each and everyone of us, there is no denying it whatever walk of life you come from.

It doesn't matter who says what is going to happen or when its going to happen, the only thing that can make it 2011, 2012 or 2013 or 2016 or 2020, is simply "us", we control when it happens, not some history book or channeler, or prophesy. The longer we wait like whipped dogs waiting for approval, the longer it will be before we grow up and take responsibility and do what needs to be done.

It could be tomorrow if everyone stopped taking shit one after the other.

So the next time you are "told" to do anything by the system, just say "no", it doesn't matter how long you can hold out, if everyone just starts to test the bounds of their reality, that collective action will start to show weaknesses in the system and before we know it, the whole shithouse will come apart.Fantastic post, I almost want to ask permission to use it as a note for all my facebook contacts (crediting you of course).

[azureangel]

Well said! As each person wakes up and stops taking shit, and there will be a tipping point as I think David said, it could happen today. I do sympathise with folks who have been waiting for something to happen for over a decade. But what really got my attention was when the "tptb" crashed the U.S. economy, right off the edge, in 2008. Forget 2012, I'm working on helping people to wake up and plant food and start interacting more with each other. Of course if/when we ascend, we won't need as much food. But for the meantime....
Love, angel

[kappy0405]

it won't be a specific date.. it's been happening for a while, it's happening now. As far as when it becomes prominent, who knows.. Imo, it may not peak unless we (people already seeing/feeling it) make our awareness/conciousness part of our daily life. It's not enough to just 'know'.

Anyway, I believe the elite have picked 2012-2019 for their planned psuedo-Apocalypse (7 year tribulation). If December 2012 is the beginning, then 2016 certainly seems on par for when they'll start the destruction again (3 1/2 years). It's fitting, imo, that the 'awakening' might peak at that time too according to Icke. By 2019, they won't have a chance.. At the same time, they could then attempt to fool us by ending their Apocalypse as planned in the revelations/hadiths - bringing in a 'savior' or whatever.. We just need to keep our eyes open as there will always be immoral and corrupt people trying to run things.

[jolinemaria]

I like this post :)

There is nothing to wait for, be it 2012 or 2016
Your awakening can be now.
Love life and your fellow humans.
Do whatever it is that you feel drawn to.
Don't fight, rather educate and make fun.
Be with nature, it will teach you.
All is well.

[rydeon]

I have heard David State recently that the awakening will occur in 2016 rather than 2012, your thoughts on this?.

Castles in the sky spring to mind...

[signalnorth]

So the next time you are "told" to do anything by the system, just say "no", it doesn't matter how long you can hold out, if everyone just starts to test the bounds of their reality, that collective action will start to show weaknesses in the system and before we know it, the whole shithouse will come apart.


Mass refusal to pay the Poll tax proved that it works if enough people say no/

[branjo]

Mass refusal to pay the Poll tax proved that it works if enough people say no/

Exactly, all those "powerless" people say the same collective thing, and "they" have more chance in taking Mount Everest and swapping it with Ben Nevis.

Just a simple word too, small, easy to say and whenever you say it, your not breaking any laws, your not causing any harm to anyone and your not doing anything wrong. The word is a simple "no".

When we make that stand in our life, we immediately choose our own path. After all you cannot run around the world and do exactly what you want to do, but you sure as shit can say anywhere and at any time, what your not going to do.

[deathcultreject]

It will happen when it happens. We can't put dates on awakening, imo, only ritual.

I think Orthodox Christians say that Grace is only dispensed at God's will, but people are free to call on the holy spirit as they please.

In terms of the holy spirit or it's million and one different names and practices, we can make an awakening.

I'm sure God wouldn't mind if our intentions are good.

[rangarock]

Week ago, I was in big shopping center and there I meet my old friend, he is astrologist many, many years. I `m asking about 2012 and he told me. "Don`t worry about 2012 this year is very calm, you should be afraid 2013. When I watching in the stars, reading future people witch came to me for consultation, than I see that they life ending in 2013, I don`t know what is going on. Maybe this is the some kind of cleaning, spiritual cleaning of our planet. This beginning in 21.12.2012 and will be continuos over 2,5 years." What U think about it? Maybe it is true?

[branjo]

Week ago, I was in big shopping center and there I meet my old friend, he is astrologist many, many years. I `m asking about 2012 and he told me. "Don`t worry about 2012 this year is very calm, you should be afraid 2013. When I watching in the stars, reading future people witch came to me for consultation, than I see that they life ending in 2013, I don`t know what is going on. Maybe this is the some kind of cleaning, spiritual cleaning of our planet. This beginning in 21.12.2012 and will be continuos over 2,5 years." What U think about it? Maybe it is true?

Its entirely possible of course, can't rule anything out when it comes to future events, that wouldn't be logical captain...lol.

I also think that the evil in the PTB could be the necessary evil for the evolution of mankind. Maybe they are the sheep that are being led to an action that they don't understand themselves. Tricked into believing a satanic god should be obeyed to force them to the action that the divine had a plan for all along.

What if physical death was the doorway to spiritual evolution, how many of us would run toward it with open arms. I think people feel that it will be a change that will take place while they are awake and they will see everything get better in front of their eyes.

Maybe the intense energy from the rift will knock us all out cold, and when we wake up things will just be different in the most subtle way.

When we hear of "great changes to the earth" being said from prophesy we immediately think it will all happen in the space of a day or week. Like the 2012 movie all in a short time. But when you are projecting your consciousness "like in prophesy" (sort of) then when talking of a time thousands of years in the future a hundred years could seem like a minute for the conscious mind.

Now over the last 50 years there have been severe earth changes, of biblical proportions. There have been Floods, Tsunamis, Diseases, Volcanoes, Landslides, Acid Rain, Mass murders and a shred of pure insanity among law makers. Now to see all that in a vision of some sort must look like the end of the world to anyone. But if you spread that over the course of "our" lives then if you think about it, we are all actually pretty used to earth changes. We were born and raised on them, its highly possible that the worst of things is either happening right now, or they are behind us already.

We could be approaching the eye of the storm where the real change is a subtle calm one, then we have the storm itself to go through again before we are free of it, and then we will see the changes through hindsight.

It only really would take a tiny shift in consciousness to change the world, minuscule in fact. If everyone just woke up in the morning in a really good mood for example, that ripple effect could have an astronomical effect on the world itself.

You see consciousness (for me) seems to be on a Fibonacci spiral going inwards. Its not slowly bound to a set time scale, it gets faster and faster as it nears the center. So when David Icke says around about 2016 something looks like it will happen, is he taking into account this tightening of the spiral or just the time distance from 20 years ago to now and judging that again on a future scale?

The time scale is always getting shorter and shorter, check out what Terrance McKenna said about the "Transcendental attractor at the end of time", it is the singularity that is pulling us, not pushing us. That time has a frequency and the pitch of that frequency is becoming condensed, actions have to wait for the right time frequency before they can happen. With McKenna's time wave zero DOS program, the graph for something like 10 million years ago to 5 million years ago, exactly fits into the graph of 5 million years ago to 2.5 million years ago, generalizing here of course.

So the frequency is becoming shorter in the time scale but the "actions" are just closer together, but still "on time".

http://cornelius1.com/blog/uploads/800px-Fibonacci_spiral.svg.png

To travel from the edge of the scale to the other edge is x amount of time, now to follow the scale to the next opposite position on into it at the same calculation, takes less time but the path and formula is the exact same. The further in you get the faster things coil.

So you cannot judge the time based on the distance to the center. The closer we get to 2012 could actually pull the expectation of change nearer to us, until the change is so apparent that the expectation is right on top of us. Personally I see things coming to a head within the structure of our civilization probably sometime in mid 2011.

Bloody guesswork anyway we look at it, but its enjoyable for me to just imagine the future and not be dreading it. Even if the end result is hell on earth, all the times leading up to it when you thought it was going to be fantastic and wonderful were hardly wasted. We have to milk every bit of positivity that time will allow right now, what have you got to loose anyway.

You cannot dodge inevitability, if its going to happen its going to happen, if it is not up to us, then crying and whining about it serves no purpose whatsoever.

[azureangel]

In astrological prediction, Neptune figures prominently for death. Neptune represents the "all that is", the ultimate, spirituality. So the astrologer was likely trying to figure out whether he was seeing transits in his client's charts which indicated either death or a great spiritual change. Love, angel

[elysiansix]

I have heard David State recently that the awakening will occur in 2016 rather than 2012, your thoughts on this?.

The year will always be 2012 because that year converts alphabetically to ZION (Z01Z) and other words that spell Jews.

Those people waiting for the Messiah (or any 'saviour') should pay a bit more attention to messages in all media streams: Higher Consciousness is all about subliminal and subtext meanings to superficial messages. What's the foremost animal you see everywhere? The LION - which is the astrological symbol of the Zionist Messiah. Other keys all over the computer (windows, numbers) and if anything the year 2018 will be more significant than 2016 cos those are the numbers of the birthdate of the cripple Zionist Messiah. He has many facets - some of them in living people - or recently dead, like Michael Jackson (those names are alters of his).

The whole thing is all about numbers and twisted meanings to real happenings. The future is all about shoving the Zionist Messiah and the male sex down our throats - that's why all those floods at COCKERmouth happened. Anything to make people think of sex. They control the weather patterns all over the world.

Nothing but bad news for females except if they can sc*w you.

[rangarock]

Hi Guys.



[QUOTENow over the last 50 years there have been severe earth changes, of biblical proportions. There have been Floods, Tsunamis, Diseases, Volcanoes, Landslides, Acid Rain, Mass murders and a shred of pure insanity among law makers. Now to see all that in a vision of some sort must look like the end of the world to anyone. But if you spread that over the course of "our" lives then if you think about it, we are all actually pretty used to earth changes. We were born and raised on them, its highly possible that the worst of things is either happening right now, or they are behind us already.QUOTE]

I agree with this in 100%

[QUOTE In astrological prediction, Neptune figures prominently for death. Neptune represents the "all that is", the ultimate, spirituality. So the astrologer was likely trying to figure out whether he was seeing transits in his client's charts which indicated either death or a great spiritual change. Love, angel
21-11-2009 05:12 PM
branjo
QUOTE]

Unfortunately my knowing about this knowledge is very small.
But i appreciate people whose hindsight is very big. But, I can hear.

Now I`m on life turning, everything in my life make upside-down. I don`t know why. Earlier I was meditate. Everything what was hiding "behind the curtain" was for me very exciting. Now I am like a empty shell. I have no primary target, secondary target... I feel like hard drive after reset. Maybe it is preparation for new beginning? New soft for my subconsciousness?

I hope, that this primary target soon I`ll find.

[filinfinland]

Unfortunately my knowing about this knowledge is very small.
But i appreciate people whose hindsight is very big. But, I can hear.

Now I`m on life turning, everything in my life make upside-down. I don`t know why. Earlier I was meditate. Everything what was hiding "behind the curtain" was for me very exciting. Now I am like a empty shell. I have no primary target, secondary target... I feel like hard drive after reset. Maybe it is preparation for new beginning? New soft for my subconsciousness?

I hope, that this primary target soon I`ll find.

You are in the right place.

Find in yourself more than you are now, it's there.

Trust that you have planned your life well.

[zenith82]

I'll be awakening tomorrow morning around 6:30am GMT :D

[rangarock]

You are in the right place.

Find in yourself more than you are now, it's there.

Trust that you have planned your life well.

You have right! Some time ago I was search many things wich should "illuminated" my life and behavior. I was searching "outside". Then my friend told me. What are you doing? Why you searching outside you should look into your heart, into your soul, there you`ll find a source of pure love.
When I look on my earlier life I realize my "closing". Now I see more and my knowledge is bigger.
You know, even few words could change your life, your words. Thank You.

[branjo]

You know we are all a little or a lot confused, and I think this is a normal reaction to an abnormal environment. Our consciousness is right here and right now and it doesn't focus in the future or in the past, we exist fundamentally from a place without time.

For the people who are not confused and who have convinced themselves of the repetitive nature of existence, I feel somewhat sad for. For those people the movie quote "The Matrix has you" is quite a reality for them. We have all been provided with this neat little mold to try and fit our selves into, but now most of us realize, its like the child trying to hammer a square peg into the round hole, its just not going to work.

Its a confusing time, its a crazy time and the most normal reaction to an insane world isn't "sanity", its "insanity". So why should we be afraid of a little insane thinking...lol?

Being out of the box, is like being out of your mind. Our minds are the culmination of a lifetime of trying to fit into that mold and now we are starting to realize that its not our mold at all. The "Powers That Be" are that child, desperately trying to drive us into the mold that benefits them, the more desperate they become the more apparently clear the answer is, "Its never going to fit dumbass, so save yourself the trouble and stop trying". :)

[pegcityevolve]

You know we are all a little or a lot confused, and I think this is a normal reaction to an abnormal environment. Our consciousness is right here and right now and it doesn't focus in the future or in the past, we exist fundamentally from a place without time.

For the people who are not confused and who have convinced themselves of the repetitive nature of existence, I feel somewhat sad for. For those people the movie quote "The Matrix has you" is quite a reality for them. We have all been provided with this neat little mold to try and fit our selves into, but now most of us realize, its like the child trying to hammer a square peg into the round hole, its just not going to work.

Its a confusing time, its a crazy time and the most normal reaction to an insane world isn't "sanity", its "insanity". So why should we be afraid of a little insane thinking...lol?

Being out of the box, is like being out of your mind. Our minds are the culmination of a lifetime of trying to fit into that mold and now we are starting to realize that its not our mold at all. The "Powers That Be" are that child, desperately trying to drive us into the mold that benefits them, the more desperate they become the more apparently clear the answer is, "Its never going to fit dumbass, so save yourself the trouble and stop trying". :)Well I'm pretty confused right now.

[conan1040]

This guy John Major Jenkins has been studying Maya calendar for a long time, he has visitied the place, etc... I listened to his interview "2012: Is it really the end as we know it?" on http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/home.htm
his site is http://www.alignment2012.com/

[pegcityevolve]

In astrological prediction, Neptune figures prominently for death. Neptune represents the "all that is", the ultimate, spirituality. So the astrologer was likely trying to figure out whether he was seeing transits in his client's charts which indicated either death or a great spiritual change. Love, angelThat's my planet. :)

[ianw]

Something happens in 2012.
But the main event happens in 2038.
Thats when the 12 chaka light body arrives.
This is prophesied by Edgor Casey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuKVjP3Y9uE&feature=quicklist&playnext=5&playnext_from=QL

[marpat]

He didn't say it would happen in 2016, suddenly. He said it would climax by then.

He provided no real reason why, though.

I think people keep it vague to avoid being slapped in the face when nothing happens.

[marpat]

Something happens in 2012.
But the main event happens in 2038.
Thats when the 12 chaka light body arrives.
This is prophesied by Edgor Casey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuKVjP3Y9uE&feature=quicklist&playnext=5&playnext_from=QL

Really? I have Edgar Cayces book on his predictions for the 21st century and I dont recall that being mentioned.

[lightgiver]

I have heard David State recently that the awakening will occur in 2016 rather than 2012, your thoughts on this?.

I am sure it will happen one day but to put precise dates on events and the like,I for one am sceptical over the last 40 yrs I have heard so many ends of the worlds etc etc it starts wearing a bit thin,because 1 day it will end for all of us its called death.

Peace LG:)

[elo_zorn]

I've commented on this once before, but...four year extended marketing plan?

:p

"Awakening" isn't something set in stone, on some obscure date...believing in this type crap only further separates you from your goal. It's just like "hope"; no cookies today but maybe you'll get some tomorrow!

[ianw]

Really? I have Edgar Cayces book on his predictions for the 21st century and I dont recall that being mentioned.

Realy? I dont have any Edgar Cayces books :D
But its mentioned in the utube vid so it must be true. ;)

[filinfinland]

I've commented on this once before, but...four year extended marketing plan?

:p

"Awakening" isn't something set in stone, on some obscure date...believing in this type crap only further separates you from your goal. It's just like "hope"; no cookies today but maybe you'll get some tomorrow!

"awakening" is happening all the time on a personal level. The ascension is not an awakening, the ascension is the transformation of this universe and the birth of a new one. This won't be creeping up on anyone. When it occurs, you will know.

Is any one familiar with david wilcock's information about the zero time event?.

That would prove interesting.

[muddyleopard]

what's so strange about changing predictions and dates? we write the future anew every moment ... it's always going to be now, anyway. your personal revolution is the moment you grasp it, and any 'collective change' is the sum of personal ones. it's all happening now. if we are waiting for something, we will continue to wait ... what qualifies as a 'sign' anyway, that what's predicted is coming into being? be the sign, be the revolution, and do it now in whatever way is yours to act. we are constantly in state of becoming, and all things pass into and out of existence in our imagination; no-one need wait for courage.

[michael christopher]

Wait, wait! There is actually a good amount of evidence that the end of the world may occur on any of the following dates:

2020
2023
2028
2032
2044
2060

We'll come up with some more after those dates have passed without anything happening.

[edward123]

I have heard David State recently that the awakening will occur in 2016 rather than 2012, your thoughts on this?.

My thoughts on this are very simple. Its because its all a con and icke knows this. He has just done a david wilcock who originally said the date was 2000 and had a website dedicated to it, then conveniently set the date back 12 years to 2012. Like icke he is probably panicking now as these guys rely on book sales for a living. If they are wrong their "followers" might lose faith in them and not buy their books any more. Icke has just brought himself another 4 years and i wonder what will happen when it gets to 2014-15? Don't be gullible, is my advice.

[dusthead]

I have heard David State recently that the awakening will occur in 2016 rather than 2012, your thoughts on this?.

As we get nearer to 2016, this date will almost certainly alter, with reference to either time or meaning.

[saamjaam]

This is all bollocks with the predictions and future events.
When will people learn to stop looking at the finger pointing at the moon and start looking at the moon itself?

The 'awakening' happens, individually whenever we get off our arses.

It is a choice.

Right now.

Right here.

GET TO WORK PEOPLE

[lyghtkynge]

It will be in december of 2013.
Another of your inconceivably inaccurate, sloppy 'predictions'?

Didn't you Hoodwink enough of the herdies with your last idiotic sensationalist 'my ego says' prediction?

Please, find a new shelter for ewe-self. And stop with the idiotic ff predictions.

At least, you laughed with everyone when they laughed at you.

lol.

[paganoflight]

I can't wait that long, have been waiting too long already. Enough, if something doesn 't change very soon, I'll build my own spaceship & blow this popsicle joint.

I'm tired of dates that come & go & the only thing thats changing is TPTB are getting a tighter grip around our throats. People are being murdered by vaccines now & where is the help for humanity.:cool:


Except for your "cool" smiley face, I totally agree.

[zsymon]

The date will just keep getting pushed back.. nothing is going to happen in
2012, so people will say 2013.. nothing is going to happen in 2013, so they
will say 2014.. it will just keep going on like that until people finally realize
that nothing bad or sensational on a global scale is going to happen.

The whole point of these predictions is to keep people in fear of the future.
Almost every major civilization or empire kept its civilians in fear spiritually
by spreading predictions of doom and gloom.. people who are scared are so
much easier to control, they will believe anything, no matter how crazy, as
long as it is sensational they will believe it.. Look at this forum, people will
believe anything, even that the moon is a space station where aliens live
to rule our lives.. they're completely ignoring all the scientific aspects that
make such things impossible.

But it is sensational and horrific, so they will believe it.. just like people love
to watch horror movies, they love believing in these horrible predictions,
they want the world to suffer so they can watch and see it all go down.
If there won't be any global suffering then they will be very disappointed.

I find this very sad, hasn't the world suffered enough?

[aronia]

I have heard David State recently that the awakening will occur in 2016 rather than 2012, your thoughts on this?.

Yeah he said too in the Gothernberg, Sweden speaking lecture last fall.

I just don`t believe it.

Not in our lifetime.

[theoriginalmurph]

I set out to describe how the very mundane, routine commute to work each day is like a microcosm of the greater spiritual path through life, like the route from A to B provides a window to see the spiritual route from birth to death and back again, but that is too complex to explain. That is something we all have to see for ourselves. All I can say is that there's a bend in the road at about 2012, and that is significant in and of itself, but at that bend the road crosses over a stream, and then runs parallel to it for a while. That means something, although it is an image worth a thousand words, all of which are subject to interpretation, where we all see what we choose to see. I'm just saying that now is a good time to have your hands on the wheel.

[paganoflight]

I set out to describe how the very mundane, routine commute to work each day is like a microcosm of the greater spiritual path through life, like the route from A to B provides a window to see the spiritual route from birth to death and back again, but that is too complex to explain. That is something we all have to see for ourselves. All I can say is that there's a bend in the road at about 2012, and that is significant in and of itself, but at that bend the road crosses over a stream, and then runs parallel to it for a while. That means something, although it is an image worth a thousand words, all of which are subject to interpretation, where we all see what we choose to see. I'm just saying that now is a good time to have your hands on the wheel.

I'm not saying this to kiss your ass Morph, but that was poetic and extremely insightful. Hard to believe you think God is evil... :cool: (j/k)

But anyone who claims to know for a fact that nothing or something will happen in 2012 or 2011 or 2013 or after is playing nothing more than "fortune teller" and I think is highly irresponsible. Nobody knows. And for many, including myself, 2012 is a source of hope, not dread.

[theoriginalmurph]

But anyone who claims to know for a fact that nothing or something will happen in 2012 or 2011 or 2013 or after is playing nothing more than "fortune teller" and I think is highly irresponsible. Nobody knows. And for many, including myself, 2012 is a source of hope, not dread.

Excellent point. I should be more clear. I see 2012 as just a matter of course, a rather arbitrary number stamped on a sign post, yet there are plenty of coincidences associated with it. It's like how Obama is up for re-election that year, and how it's a leap year, and how there's that whole thing about the Mayan calendars, and the galactic alignments, and so forth. It is a scheduled turning point, and that's all I really know about it. I mean, I could say that's the year I turn 33, but that's not relevant to anyone but myself. If I said, "there will be an earthquake," or "you will win the lottery," I would be surprised if my guesswork came to pass.

[paganoflight]

Good points. I look at 2012 as a sort of "due-date". I only attribute a certain amount of significance to it because the Egyptian calender and the Cherokee calender corroborate the "2012" date as spoken by the Maya. But still, I don't have any expectations about that year in particular. What I do know is that we are in the 2012 "era" now and things *already* appear to be accelerating at lightning speed. I feel with a certainty that we are nearing the end of this age and the beginning of the next. I've felt it since 1994.

[zone2012]

saamjaam:This is all bollocks with the predictions and future events.
When will people learn to stop looking at the finger pointing at the moon and start looking at the moon itself?

The 'awakening' happens, individually whenever we get off our arses.

It is a choice.

Right now.

Right here.

GET TO WORK PEOPLE


Indeed! Be the change you want to see. No one, no God, no Alien, no 2012 can do the job for you. We all have to wake up on our own, to our true self.
If the majority of people would understand this, we could create a paradies on earth right now. It's a simple choice.
The choice has to be made from our true self (who we really are), and not from the ego, which views the world as something separated from us. Well, we are not.
Excuse my bad english.
Wish all a great day.

[freedom1st]

Even if you hold no weight to the ancient cultures that point to this 5,10,15 or 20 year era it makes no difference at all.

The fact that the Law is going apeshit trying to clamp down on any free thought whatsoever is proof enough for me that its them who are shitting themselves because they fear this era more than us. Their only concern is keeping us from waking up to the bullshit that the structure of law is, they have been dreading it for so long, every waking day for them is a possibility that it could be their last day sitting on top of the pile, and they will go to great lengths to prevent that day from ever occurring.

Whether its prophesied or not, the fact that we all think something is going to happen, will make something happen. And they are doing everything within their grasp to stop us even thinking this, they will debunk everything and anything that deals with common people uniting and saying "No". They need our permission to make laws, the fact that they are making insane laws isn't a reflection of their power over us. Its a reflection that they have become accustomed to their power, and at the minute they are shitfaced drunk on it.

By their own refusal to accept 2012 meaning anything, they will actually bring it about. They do know this and they have probably plans to stop it or to steer it in any direction they can to at least be left with a sense of their hierarchy still intact. That's why all these bullshit movies are coming about about 2012, they want people to either laugh it off or to be afraid of anything happening, because that they will consciously prevent it from happening.

So put all the scriptures from however many indigenous cultures aside, the common sense of it all is that whether you like it or not, something is happening right now in each and everyone of us, there is no denying it whatever walk of life you come from.

It doesn't matter who says what is going to happen or when its going to happen, the only thing that can make it 2011, 2012 or 2013 or 2016 or 2020, is simply "us", we control when it happens, not some history book or channeler, or prophesy. The longer we wait like whipped dogs waiting for approval, the longer it will be before we grow up and take responsibility and do what needs to be done.

It could be tomorrow if everyone stopped taking shit one after the other.

So the next time you are "told" to do anything by the system, just say "no", it doesn't matter how long you can hold out, if everyone just starts to test the bounds of their reality, that collective action will start to show weaknesses in the system and before we know it, the whole shithouse will come apart.

+1

[nectars]

Good points. I look at 2012 as a sort of "due-date". I only attribute a certain amount of significance to it because the Egyptian calender and the Cherokee calender corroborate the "2012" date as spoken by the Maya. But still, I don't have any expectations about that year in particular. What I do know is that we are in the 2012 "era" now and things *already* appear to be accelerating at lightning speed. I feel with a certainty that we are nearing the end of this age and the beginning of the next. I've felt it since 1994.

Good post.

[truestrength]

Imo the awakening is already happening.. the world is becoming more and more chaotic, time is zooming by so fast and more and more people are coming out of their zombie states.

I honestly think this 2012 thing is a load of crap.. I mean they made a movie about it. The Doomsday theory is just another form of control. Unless of course the Illuminati are counting on people to think it's a load of crap due to past Doomsday theories like Planet X and the new millenium not coming true. Who knows.

I don't think the world will end... maybe 2012 is the year that they seize total control and use technology that enables them to control every aspect of our life on Earth, to the point of actually monitoring our thoughts. In that case, it's the end of the world and I'd choose death over that.

Just a thought.

[futurestar]

Good points. I look at 2012 as a sort of "due-date". I only attribute a certain amount of significance to it because the Egyptian calender and the Cherokee calender corroborate the "2012" date as spoken by the Maya. But still, I don't have any expectations about that year in particular. What I do know is that we are in the 2012 "era" now and things *already* appear to be accelerating at lightning speed. I feel with a certainty that we are nearing the end of this age and the beginning of the next. I've felt it since 1994.

I also feel something is nearing i dont know about the end of the world but i feel more in hope that this current system will end as working for nothing and daily corruption and destruction has to stop.

[zsymon]

saamjaam:This is all bollocks with the predictions and future events.
When will people learn to stop looking at the finger pointing at the moon and start looking at the moon itself?

The 'awakening' happens, individually whenever we get off our arses.

It is a choice.

Right now.

Right here.

GET TO WORK PEOPLE


Indeed! Be the change you want to see. No one, no God, no Alien, no 2012 can do the job for you. We all have to wake up on our own, to our true self.
If the majority of people would understand this, we could create a paradies on earth right now. It's a simple choice.
The choice has to be made from our true self (who we really are), and not from the ego, which views the world as something separated from us. Well, we are not.
Excuse my bad english.
Wish all a great day.

Very refreshing, I couldn't agree more. Thank you for this pearl of wisdom.
You have got it exactly right, if more people would realize this, the world
would be awakening a lot faster.