Eastenders Takes a New Tack

[hagbard_celine]

What’s up with Eastenders? Minty and Gus now both have girlfriends and Phil Mitchell, the CMI (Conformist Male Ideal) is back on the bottle! I don’t think for a moment that the producers they’re abandoning their Tavistock Institute hyperDarwinist and sexual conformist propaganda. This must be love-bombing! Give it a few weeks. Minty and Gus will be dumped for CMI’s and Phil will be shagging whoever the Alpha Female is at the moment. I bet she’s a CFI (Conformist Female Ideal). you'll have to fill me in because to tell you the truth I don’t watch Eastenders regularly any more because it makes me ill!

[auron]

Hahaha!! I actually used to watch that pathetic excuse for a TV show years ago all the time( and the other ones).

Then i got into something known as "conspiracy theories". :D

All of these programmes are exactly that; Programming!

How about we see an episode where everyone recieves a package of psychedelics through the door from some mysterious person. Then the curious folk all ingest them in the pub at the same time.

The nature of reality is revealed to everybody, and they all live happily ever after.

No more fighting, and negative shit ever again.

Then hopefully no more episodes ever again!

I'm a dreamer...............

[soglad]

Hahaha!! I actually used to watch that pathetic excuse for a TV show years ago all the time( and the other ones).

Then i got into something known as "conspiracy theories". :D

All of these programmes are exactly that; Programming!

How about we see an episode where everyone recieves a package of psychedelics through the door from some mysterious person. Then the curious folk all ingest them in the pub at the same time.

The nature of reality is revealed to everybody, and they all live happily ever after.

No more fighting, and negative shit ever again.

Then hopefully no more episodes ever again!

I'm a dreamer...............

YEAH!!!

"Today's episode, the water supply at Eastenders gets tainted with LSD"

THAT'S what I want to see! :D

[steevo]

I wont allow any soap operas in my house especially Eastenders, like you say auron, it's programming.

I hardly watch tv these days at all because I can see "programming" and deceit in nearly everything, it makes me anxious. I only use the tv for football sometimes and abit of comedy, plus the news (which I hate) to see what BS they are telling everyone.

[lottie]

I still like my soaps, i know they're full of shit but i like the escapism for half an hour, im aware of the programming etc, we dont have the news on in the house and ive now got into the habit of turning the sound off between ads too! Small steps n'all that! Ive noticed the veil of negativity that comes down over us if the news comes on and we havnt managed to get to the remote in time, just the seriousness of the headlines, the tone of voice, its always very melancholy and the worst thing they could talk about is the first thing they put on!

Also thought i'd share a little something i happened to notice today, i came home from work and the tv was on ITV1 and the new show 'The Alan Titchmarsh Show' was on, there was a band playing and as the camera showed an above view of the band, i notived the stage floor (wooden) has a giant Sun on the floor in what appears to be different shades of wood, but a huge sun....most of the size of the stage!

also noticed this in Eastenders (sorry to blaspheme!!) in Peggy Mitchells lounge there is a step up to the living room door which is also wooden and has the same wooden sun on it as Alan Titchmarshes stage.....maybe its all coincidence but somehow i think not.....also there's two lovely red obelisks in Peggys lounge too, dont recall a story line in which they went to Egypt?LOl!!

I know its only silly little things but i notice them and they reinforce it all for me....

[steevo]

Dont get "Soap Opera Arse" Lottie lol ;)

I remember Vinnie Jones saying "If you watch soap operas you shouldn't be allowed to vote"., but hey, what's the point in voting anyway :( Unless we vote for independents maybe.

Well spotted with the symbolism :)

[phoebe]

Dont get "Soap Opera Arse" Lottie lol ;)

I remember Vinnie Jones saying "If you watch soap operas you shouldn't be allowed to vote"., but hey, what's the point in voting anyway :( Unless we vote for independents maybe.

Well spotted with the symbolism :)

ha!
Well...
Perhaps we could say the same
For those who watch football Vinny!

I like Eastenders!
I turn the tv on very rarely
But I never miss Eastenders.

We all know it's programming
Key is to be aware of the programming...
Then it simply fails to have an affect.

I wont allow any soap operas in my house especially Eastenders, like you say auron, it's programming.

I hardly watch tv these days at all because I can see "programming" and deceit in nearly everything, it makes me anxious. I only use the tv for football sometimes and abit of comedy, plus the news (which I hate) to see what BS they are telling everyone.

You don't allow soap operas in your house?
How very liberal of you...

[hagbard_celine]

Also thought i'd share a little something i happened to notice today, i came home from work and the tv was on ITV1 and the new show 'The Alan Titchmarsh Show' was on, there was a band playing and as the camera showed an above view of the band, i notived the stage floor (wooden) has a giant Sun on the floor in what appears to be different shades of wood, but a huge sun....most of the size of the stage!

also noticed this in Eastenders (sorry to blaspheme!!) in Peggy Mitchells lounge there is a step up to the living room door which is also wooden and has the same wooden sun on it as Alan Titchmarshes stage.....maybe its all coincidence but somehow i think not.....also there's two lovely red obelisks in Peggys lounge too, dont recall a story line in which they went to Egypt?LOl!!

I know its only silly little things but i notice them and they reinforce it all for me....


Well spotted! :) Now you mention it I remember those obelisks.

There's also a strange picture in one of the homes; it used to be Gus' flat, I don't know who lives there now. The picture shows a painting of a pier stretching out to sea with a trianglular gazebo or bandstand at the end. From the perspective of the painting it looks just like the Illuminati pyramid and all-seeing eye! :eek: Could any regular viewers look out for it and tell me if it's still there; I'd rather not watch it myself.

[eternal_spirit]

:eek: I don't know what the rating figures are these days but Soaps used to pull in a bigger audience than most programmes. Would be a great way to send subliminals and use symbols.

I think the main aim of the Soaps is to have people copy the behaviour they see on the TV. Some of the things that have happened to me could run to an Omnibus edition. ever had the feeling that life has at times turned into a Soap. :rolleyes: I stopped watching some years ago.

[tiswas]

Soap Operas are an opium to the masses. I actually do enjoy some Easties, but I did like JR and Sue Ellen Ewing in Dallas.

[brotherapostate]

Eastenders is so fucking depressing. A few years ago I started to watch it to the point where my schedule would demand me to watch it, and I am SOOOOO glad I knocked that one on the head. Horrible, morbid, depressing shite.

[brett]

My other half watches the soaps (no surprise there), and while looking over from time to time, I noticed an EXCESSIVE amount of advertising in Eastenders!!

For starters, in the Minute Mart, I have seen adverts for Carling, Chupa Chups, Cigarettes, and plenty of other Brand Names that escape my memory at the moment.

The same applies to the Queen Vic. Carling - again, and other brands of Whisky!!

Surely this is against the law - as we pay WAY too much for our licenses as it is!!

[raffles]

Havent watched eastenders since eddie royal was killed.
I do watch corrie now and again though.

[hagbard_celine]

Soap Operas are an opium to the masses. I actually do enjoy some Easties, but I did like JR and Sue Ellen Ewing in Dallas.


Karl Marx was wrong; it wasn't religion!

[hagbard_celine]

Eastenders is so fucking depressing. A few years ago I started to watch it to the point where my schedule would demand me to watch it, and I am SOOOOO glad I knocked that one on the head. Horrible, morbid, depressing shite.

Good for you!:) Eastenders is depressing because it's meant to be! It's created by the elite to demoralize us. Breaking away from it is an act of mental and spiritual freedom. They've not kept you in their net!

[2013]

:eek: I don't know what the rating figures are these days but Soaps used to pull in a bigger audience than most programmes. Would be a great way to send subliminals and use symbols.

I think the main aim of the Soaps is to have people copy the behaviour they see on the TV. Some of the things that have happened to me could run to an Omnibus edition. ever had the feeling that life has at times turned into a Soap. :rolleyes: I stopped watching some years ago.

spot on acceptable behaviour is learnt from your enviroment and it makes people think well if they do it and nothing bad seems to happen to them then its okay for me ,also it makes you tolerate crap in your life thinking well at least its not as bad as in the soaps .Saw a bit recently while decorating for my mate when i sat to have a break stil las depressing and as far fetched as ever , no wonder elvis shot televisions :D

[gold]

Good for you!:) Eastenders is depressing because it's meant to be! It's created by the elite to demoralize us. Breaking away from it is an act of mental and spiritual freedom. They've not kept you in their net!

Well I have to differ, because every time I watch a soap, it's about something that they are trying to plug into us, and I know what to differentiate against, like the news! It's laughable and gives us a look into the Illuminati brain, if they have one?

[tiswas]

The storylines are completely daft and laughable aren't they.

[gold]

The storylines are completely daft and laughable aren't they.

:D:D:D I Agree :D:D:D:and depressing:(:(:(:(

[lottie]

Also thought i'd share a little something i happened to notice today, i came home from work and the tv was on ITV1 and the new show 'The Alan Titchmarsh Show' was on, there was a band playing and as the camera showed an above view of the band, i notived the stage floor (wooden) has a giant Sun on the floor in what appears to be different shades of wood, but a huge sun....most of the size of the stage!

I know its only silly little things but i notice them and they reinforce it all for me....


Ok, well i watched a bit more of the Alan Titchmarsh Show just to see if there was anymore symblism, not only was the gigantic sun on the wooden floor of the stage, there was a chequered miniature chest on his desk next to a red pyramid ,
the classic phallic style windows we've talked of in other threads, the trees all have 3 spheres on them,there's also some other weird stuff but not sure what to make of it! :)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[gold]

Ok, well i watched a bit more of the Alan Titchmarsh Show just to see if there was anymore symblism, not only was the gigantic sun on the wooden floor of the stage, there was a chequered miniature chest on his desk next to a red pyramid ,
the classic phallic style windows we've talked of in other threads, the trees all have 3 spheres on them,there's also some other weird stuff but not sure what to make of it! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk7xHsHPigQ

Now you've done it lottie! I'm going to be glued to the TV now looking for these symbols. Well spotted::)

[lottie]

Now you've done it lottie! I'm going to be glued to the TV now looking for these symbols. Well spotted::)

Check out the sun symbol on the stage....

you can first see it in full at 00:45 secs and again in full about two mins in!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=153297

[gold]

Yes lottie I noticed it after a second replay. A thread should be opened on how many Illuminati symbols spotted in TV programmes.

[hagbard_celine]

Well I have to differ, because every time I watch a soap, it's about something that they are trying to plug into us, and I know what to differentiate against, like the news! It's laughable and gives us a look into the Illuminati brain, if they have one?


Oh yeah; if you can see through them then you can laugh at them! Like subliminals, they need their victims to be unaware of what's being done to them.

[gold]

Take George Bush, I'm in hysteric's every time I watch him, I can't help myself!!!!!!

[hagbard_celine]

The CMI-vs-CAP love triangle plot once again rears its ugly head!:mad::rolleyes::eek::(

They keep using it over and over again! The CMI side is once again Phil meat-head Mitchell, Michelle is the female and the CAP character is Vinnie, played by the brilliant comedian Bobby Davro:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_vinnie_m.shtml

In last nights episode Vinnie told Michelle that he knew she fancied Phil. Of course she does!

I’ve been studying this sinister trend in the storyline for several years now and it keeps coming back! Sometimes it runs concurrently in file with more then one character group. First I should explain my terminology: “CMI’s” (Conformist Male Ideals). The CMI is almost always one of the “Alpha Males”, a powerful and masterful character. He is materially rich and usually runs his own business. He is manipulative, ruthless and unfeeling. He is very attractive to women, even if he is not conventionally handsome, but cares little for them. He abuses them and cheats on them and the viewer knows he can do so with impunity because his women will always come running back. Female viewers are often very attracted to him and send his actor lots of fan mail. Famous examples of CMI’s are:

Den Watts ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_den_w.shtml ),

Phil Mitchell ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_phil_m.shtml),

Steve Owen ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_steve_o.shtml ) and

Andy Hunter. ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_andy_h.shtml )

Some CMI’s are so grossly overplayed that they cease to be characters at all and become concepts, like Dennis Rickman: ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_dennis_r.shtml )

Alternatively there are certain characters who are presented in the story as figures of contempt; the message is: “Don’t be like him! If you think you’re in any way becoming like him, then change!” This kind of character I call the “CAP” (Conformist Asexual Punchbag). CAP is a very gentle and inoffensive man. He is capable of enormous affection and kindness. He aids and assists those in need, shows respect for everyone around him, and is as a result usually single! He’s invariably materially poor and lowly; sometimes he's a bit eccentric. People often take advantage of him, sponging off him and using him as a stooge or the butt of jokes and pranks. Prime and typical CAP's are:

Mark Fowler ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_mark_f.shtml ),

Robby Jackson ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_robbie_j.shtml),

Gus Smith ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_gus_s.shtml ),

Minty (http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_minty_p.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_gus_s.shtml) ),

and, many years ago, Lofty Holloway ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_lofty_h.shtml ).

The sinister recurring plot runs thus: A CAP is in love with one of the female characters, but she’s not interested in him. Sometimes she just likes him as a friend. This same female however is either dating or smitten by a CMI; what follows is a tragic and very one-sided love-triangle with an inevitable conclusion: The female’s affections cannot be wrenched away from CMI and CAP gets his heart broken. A good example of these plot structures are Mark Fowler-Lisa-Phil Mitchell; Minty-Andy-Sam; Gus-Sonia-Jamie (although Jamie is not a pure CMI) and Lofty-Michelle-Den; there are many other examples. The message is loud and clear: If you want to be attractive, powerful and successful, be a CMI. Don’t be a CAP or you’ll be a forgotten and trampled-upon nobody.

It's mind-control propaganda that trying to brainwash men into having a particular lifestyle and personality. I know blokes who are engineering personas to match the CMI's in M.K.Enders!:eek::(

[zarah]

I remember when I used to watch Eastenders years ago..Minty began life as a 'CMI'..he owned some kind of bed and breakfast where prostitutes would hire beds by the hour.

[duckingdafta]

Incest coming next..

[hagbard_celine]

I remember when I used to watch Eastenders years ago..Minty began life as a 'CMI'..he owned some kind of bed and breakfast where prostitutes would hire beds by the hour.


Very often characters change personalities to fulfill various roles. Roy, Pat's second husband started out as a CMI, he even threatened Pat's current date at the time he met her. But the changed into a CAP when Frank Butcher came back into the series, to set up a CMI-CAP love triangle.

[hagbard_celine]

Incest coming next..

They're getting a bit deperate for new ideas!:D

[zarah]

Not that Id ever watch it but i think there's an incest storyline in Hollyoaks.

Youre so right, HC.

[hagbard_celine]

Not that Id ever watch it but i think there's an incest storyline in Hollyoaks.

Youre so right, HC.


Do you remember what Mark Fowler was like originally? He used to take on Albert Square's bullies and he rescued a young sex slave from brutal gangsters, almost like Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver; it was a great storyline. But then he transformed into a CAP to take part in a love-triangle with Phil Mitchell. I was very surprised that he didn't turn out to the one who shot Phil.

[lightgiver]

I still like my soaps, i know they're full of shit but i like the escapism for half an hour, im aware of the programming etc, we dont have the news on in the house and ive now got into the habit of turning the sound off between ads too! Small steps n'all that! Ive noticed the veil of negativity that comes down over us if the news comes on and we havnt managed to get to the remote in time, just the seriousness of the headlines, the tone of voice, its always very melancholy and the worst thing they could talk about is the first thing they put on!

Also thought i'd share a little something i happened to notice today, i came home from work and the tv was on ITV1 and the new show 'The Alan Titchmarsh Show' was on, there was a band playing and as the camera showed an above view of the band, i notived the stage floor (wooden) has a giant Sun on the floor in what appears to be different shades of wood, but a huge sun....most of the size of the stage!

also noticed this in Eastenders (sorry to blaspheme!!) in Peggy Mitchells lounge there is a step up to the living room door which is also wooden and has the same wooden sun on it as Alan Titchmarshes stage.....maybe its all coincidence but somehow i think not.....also there's two lovely red obelisks in Peggys lounge too, dont recall a story line in which they went to Egypt?LOl!!

I know its only silly little things but i notice them and they reinforce it all for me....

the world is a stage,etc,check out vid 1 giant leap,here is a part of it,enjoy:)

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=uGlrIBiWbKI

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=PPkGdecj018

[hagbard_celine]

the world is a stage,etc,check out vid 1 giant leap,here is a part of it,enjoy:)

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=uGlrIBiWbKI

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=PPkGdecj018

"Hi, I'm all that exists. Pleased to meet you."

"Thought I recognized you. So am I."

David Icke

[lightgiver]

"Hi, I'm all that exists. Pleased to meet you."

"Thought I recognized you. So am I."

David Icke

I am you,and you are i :D:D:)

[armoured_amazon]

The CMI-vs-CAP love triangle plot once again rears its ugly head!:mad::rolleyes::eek::(

They keep using it over and over again! The CMI side is once again Phil meat-head Mitchell, Michelle is the female and the CAP character is Vinnie, played by the brilliant comedian Bobby Davro:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_vinnie_m.shtml

In last nights episode Vinnie told Michelle that he knew she fancied Phil. Of course she does!

I’ve been studying this sinister trend in the storyline for several years now and it keeps coming back! Sometimes it runs concurrently in file with more then one character group. First I should explain my terminology: “CMI’s” (Conformist Male Ideals). The CMI is almost always one of the “Alpha Males”, a powerful and masterful character. He is materially rich and usually runs his own business. He is manipulative, ruthless and unfeeling. He is very attractive to women, even if he is not conventionally handsome, but cares little for them. He abuses them and cheats on them and the viewer knows he can do so with impunity because his women will always come running back. Female viewers are often very attracted to him and send his actor lots of fan mail. Famous examples of CMI’s are:

Den Watts ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_den_w.shtml ),

Phil Mitchell ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_phil_m.shtml),

Steve Owen ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_steve_o.shtml ) and

Andy Hunter. ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_andy_h.shtml )

Some CMI’s are so grossly overplayed that they cease to be characters at all and become concepts, like Dennis Rickman: ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_dennis_r.shtml )

Alternatively there are certain characters who are presented in the story as figures of contempt; the message is: “Don’t be like him! If you think you’re in any way becoming like him, then change!” This kind of character I call the “CAP” (Conformist Asexual Punchbag). CAP is a very gentle and inoffensive man. He is capable of enormous affection and kindness. He aids and assists those in need, shows respect for everyone around him, and is as a result usually single! He’s invariably materially poor and lowly; sometimes he's a bit eccentric. People often take advantage of him, sponging off him and using him as a stooge or the butt of jokes and pranks. Prime and typical CAP's are:

Mark Fowler ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_mark_f.shtml ),

Robby Jackson ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_robbie_j.shtml),

Gus Smith ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_gus_s.shtml ),

Minty (http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_minty_p.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_gus_s.shtml) ),

and, many years ago, Lofty Holloway ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_lofty_h.shtml ).

The sinister recurring plot runs thus: A CAP is in love with one of the female characters, but she’s not interested in him. Sometimes she just likes him as a friend. This same female however is either dating or smitten by a CMI; what follows is a tragic and very one-sided love-triangle with an inevitable conclusion: The female’s affections cannot be wrenched away from CMI and CAP gets his heart broken. A good example of these plot structures are Mark Fowler-Lisa-Phil Mitchell; Minty-Andy-Sam; Gus-Sonia-Jamie (although Jamie is not a pure CMI) and Lofty-Michelle-Den; there are many other examples. The message is loud and clear: If you want to be attractive, powerful and successful, be a CMI. Don’t be a CAP or you’ll be a forgotten and trampled-upon nobody.

It's mind-control propaganda that trying to brainwash men into having a particular lifestyle and personality. I know blokes who are engineering personas to match the CMI's in M.K.Enders!:eek::(

ROFL! It would have been good to have you in our Film & Media Studies class :D Love the analysis, so true!

M.K.Enders. Ahahahahaha that's great :D

[hagbard_celine]

ROFL! It would have been good to have you in our Film & Media Studies class :D Love the analysis, so true!

M.K.Enders. Ahahahahaha that's great :D

Cheers, AA.:)

I ought to watch Eastenders more often seeing as I'm trying to expose it's mental conditioning agenda. But I just hate it so much:mad:. I like my food to stay down when I've eaten dinner!:D:rolleyes:

[2013]

Good analysis HC what a few of us have been saying for years , they are so transparent in their programming .You should write a book on the subject .Would be interesting covering all the soaps and media in general :D

[sean]

Apparently 'nasty Nick' will be returning for the Eastenders Christmas special.

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00484/SNF1031W_280_484383a.jpg

[amandaooo]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dwCg7Q1X5Hk

[hagbard_celine]

Good analysis HC what a few of us have been saying for years , they are so transparent in their programming .You should write a book on the subject .Would be interesting covering all the soaps and media in general :D


I've started planning that. Thanks for the encouragement, 2013:)

[hagbard_celine]

Apparently 'nasty Nick' will be returning for the Eastenders Christmas special.

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00484/SNF1031W_280_484383a.jpg

Aha! Another CMI. I'll take bets on which CAP he'll get written in with on the standard love-triange plot.:rolleyes:

I'm offering:

10-1 on Gus

5-1 on Minty

100-1 that Lofty Holloway will come back with him

and 1000-1 that they bring Mark Fowler back from the dead!:D

[hagbard_celine]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dwCg7Q1X5Hk

Heresy! CMI's aren't saupposed to make prats out of themselves!:mad::D Don't you realize how subversive this is! It might cause the Sheeple to question the benevolence of the Conformist Regime!

[hagbard_celine]

OK: New contender!

Robby Jackson!

Prices start at 17-2

Tell you what. I'll take an each-way bet on him and you win if three other plots energe with the other contanders within three months.

Race on!

:D;)

[hagbard_celine]

The CMI-vs-CAP love triangle plot once again rears its ugly head!:mad::rolleyes::eek::(

They keep using it over and over again! The CMI side is once again Phil meat-head Mitchell, Michelle is the female and the CAP character is Vinnie, played by the brilliant comedian Bobby Davro:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_vinnie_m.shtml

In last nights episode Vinnie told Michelle that he knew she fancied Phil. Of course she does!

I’ve been studying this sinister trend in the storyline for several years now and it keeps coming back! Sometimes it runs concurrently in file with more then one character group. First I should explain my terminology: “CMI’s” (Conformist Male Ideals). The CMI is almost always one of the “Alpha Males”, a powerful and masterful character. He is materially rich and usually runs his own business. He is manipulative, ruthless and unfeeling. He is very attractive to women, even if he is not conventionally handsome, but cares little for them. He abuses them and cheats on them and the viewer knows he can do so with impunity because his women will always come running back. Female viewers are often very attracted to him and send his actor lots of fan mail. Famous examples of CMI’s are:

Den Watts ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_den_w.shtml ),

Phil Mitchell ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_phil_m.shtml),

Steve Owen ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_steve_o.shtml ) and

Andy Hunter. ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_andy_h.shtml )

Some CMI’s are so grossly overplayed that they cease to be characters at all and become concepts, like Dennis Rickman: ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_dennis_r.shtml )

Alternatively there are certain characters who are presented in the story as figures of contempt; the message is: “Don’t be like him! If you think you’re in any way becoming like him, then change!” This kind of character I call the “CAP” (Conformist Asexual Punchbag). CAP is a very gentle and inoffensive man. He is capable of enormous affection and kindness. He aids and assists those in need, shows respect for everyone around him, and is as a result usually single! He’s invariably materially poor and lowly; sometimes he's a bit eccentric. People often take advantage of him, sponging off him and using him as a stooge or the butt of jokes and pranks. Prime and typical CAP's are:

Mark Fowler ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_mark_f.shtml ),

Robby Jackson ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_robbie_j.shtml),

Gus Smith ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_gus_s.shtml ),

Minty (http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_minty_p.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_gus_s.shtml) ),

and, many years ago, Lofty Holloway ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_lofty_h.shtml ).

The sinister recurring plot runs thus: A CAP is in love with one of the female characters, but she’s not interested in him. Sometimes she just likes him as a friend. This same female however is either dating or smitten by a CMI; what follows is a tragic and very one-sided love-triangle with an inevitable conclusion: The female’s affections cannot be wrenched away from CMI and CAP gets his heart broken. A good example of these plot structures are Mark Fowler-Lisa-Phil Mitchell; Minty-Andy-Sam; Gus-Sonia-Jamie (although Jamie is not a pure CMI) and Lofty-Michelle-Den; there are many other examples. The message is loud and clear: If you want to be attractive, powerful and successful, be a CMI. Don’t be a CAP or you’ll be a forgotten and trampled-upon nobody.

It's mind-control propaganda that trying to brainwash men into having a particular lifestyle and personality. I know blokes who are engineering personas to match the CMI's in M.K.Enders!:eek::(

Fook me!:eek: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/soaps/article2128297.ece


I've told you, I'm not psychic... but you don't have to be!

Look at this they're doing it again!:eek::mad::rolleyes:

She soon starts dating Minty (Cliff Parisi) but it quickly becomes clear Manda still carries a torch for Phil (Steve McFadden)...

“It’s not long before she bumps into familiar faces, including Phil, who she dated at school, and Minty. But are they pleased to see her?”...

Josie’s Manda will be the latest love interest for Phil, who had been dating...



The point being that Phil will be dating her because he's snatched her away from Minty!

[enga]

Have been known to watch the odd episode of Eastenders now and then and the thing that strikes me the most is the appalling way people treat each other in it, especially in families amongst children and parents. The lack of respect on both sides is disgusting and IMO this is a large part of the reason why kids at the moment are so out of control because they think it is normal behaviour and the lack of respect is perpetuated. It's not just Eastenders but it's a major offender. Food obviously is another factor among others.

[hagbard_celine]

Have been known to watch the odd episode of Eastenders now and then and the thing that strikes me the most is the appalling way people treat each other in it, especially in families amongst children and parents. The lack of respect on both sides is disgusting and IMO this is a large part of the reason why kids at the moment are so out of control because they think it is normal behaviour and the lack of respect is perpetuated. It's not just Eastenders but it's a major offender. Food obviously is another factor among others.


Young people tend not to eat or drink as well as adults and eat lots of processed food and artificial drinks. When you think about what effect all that toxic shit the kids are ingesting it's no wonder they're becoming delinquents!:eek:

And you're correct about Eastenders. What's more it's deliberate, not accidental.

[debs67gb]

I look at it this way Eastenders is a very bloody badly made fabrication of real life in london :)

[januspolanski]

I hate soaps and have never watched them EVER!

Most of all though I hate the word "Corrie". Its as if this pathetic excuse for a programme is a friend worthy of a nickname, A nickname for a soap FFS. When I hear people saying corrie this and corrie that I want to go up to them point blank and scream in their ears " You FOOL". There are some women I know that watch every soap they can like they re getting a fix. I think they might actually die if they didnt watch their superlame soaps. I think soaps are the reason a lot of women are pure drama queens, they are trying to emulate the scenarios they ve seen on tv with their boyfriend. They pretend that they re all upset by their boyfriend cheating on them but really they re thinking "sweet my life is starting to resemble wednesday nights episode of Corrie" now we can have a big dramtic argument like thursday nights episode of Corrie.

Anyone else feel like this about soaps?

[hagbard_celine]

I hate soaps and have never watched them EVER!

Most of all though I hate the word "Corrie". Its as if this pathetic excuse for a programme is a friend worthy of a nickname, A nickname for a soap FFS. When I hear people saying corrie this and corrie that I want to go up to them point blank and scream in their ears " You FOOL". There are some women I know that watch every soap they can like they re getting a fix. I think they might actually die if they didnt watch their superlame soaps. I think soaps are the reason a lot of women are pure drama queens, they are trying to emulate the scenarios they ve seen on tv with their boyfriend. They pretend that they re all upset by their boyfriend cheating on them but really they re thinking "sweet my life is starting to resemble wednesday nights episode of Corrie" now we can have a big dramtic argument like thursday nights episode of Corrie.

Anyone else feel like this about soaps?

Yes. They can be emotionally addictive. And it's not just women being encouraged to be drama queens; soaps attack all of us in different ways. Being a man I'm particulaly sensitive to the Conformist mind-buggering we blokes are subjected to.

This coming plot structure is exactly in line with what i predicited! Brace yourselves, Nice Guys!:rolleyes::mad: You're in for another emotional mind-bombing!

[number_6]

Sorry, but I'm "coming out" in this public forum. I like Coronation Street. There, I've done it!

[moina]

Eastenders is S**T!

I used to enjoy wating it when I was younger but it has recently become so boring.

[hagbard_celine]

Sorry, but I'm "coming out" in this public forum. I like Coronation Street. There, I've done it!


You Conformanazi!:eek:;):D:D

Actually that's not fair; you said Coronation Street. Please reassure me that I haven't underestimated you! Tell me that you don't like TavistockEnders! :eek:

[number_6]

You Conformanazi!:eek:;):D:D

Actually that's not fair; you said Coronation Street. Please reassure me that I haven't underestimated you! Tell me that you don't like TavistockEnders! :eek:

No, don't worry, I cannot watch Eastenders. I do actually admire the writing in Coronation Street, however the writing in Eastenders is terrible.

[endlessvista]

Soaps are soul destroying.

[hagbard_celine]

Soaps are soul destroying.


Another great one-liner:cool:.

All the best statements are short and simple!:)

[evea]

i could never see the appeal in soaps!

well accept that sean..... guy whos not in eastenders anymore..... why? i dunno

[clozaril]

saw a bit of eastenders t'other night and dot was praying to god saying stuff like i know your'e probably to busy god but i'd like to ask you if ...............

it just seemed like a desperate act by dot praying to a god that wasn't there.

is this the point, to send the message to the masses that we are on our own here with no divinity, no higher intelligence. a dead, mechanical universe ?

[hagbard_celine]

saw a bit of eastenders t'other night and dot was praying to god saying stuff like i know your'e probably to busy god but i'd like to ask you if ...............

it just seemed like a desperate act by dot praying to a god that wasn't there.

is this the point, to send the message to the masses that we are on our own here with no divinity, no higher intelligence. a dead, mechanical universe ?

That message is definitely there in TavistockEnders, in fact it's screamed down the ear of the viewer in almost every scene!:eek: But I've never seen Dot used in this way. She's one of the early characters from the 80's and is one of the few I like. Stil, she ocasionally acts out-of-character. I remember the episode where she had a crisis of faith; is she about to have another?

I'm planning on watching during March to pick up the Phil Mitchell-Minty CMI-over-CAP-domination plot. Sp, any donations of sick-bags would be greatly appreciated!:rolleyes::(

[hagbard_celine]

What the...:eek:

Alfie Moon is returning? see; http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/02/09/kat-alfie-in-return-to-eastenders-115875-22028913/

This is very curious; what are they playing at this time?:confused: Alfie Moon was a total anomally among the usual motley crew of CMI's and CAP's. I think that there was actually a "coup" going on behind the scenes. Somebody on the production team was resisting the "Tranterite" propaganda agenda that was trying to persuade men not to be "Mr Nice Guys". It was working too; Alfie became a real hit with the ladies. It was very encouraging to see. But what's happening now? Is this another attempt at an insurrection? I'm keen to see how this develops.:cool:

[stelios]

Eastenders recently had a Muslim wedding episode where NONE of the actors were actually Muslims.
They have had a Gay theme running from the onset 25 years ago but again the 'gay' muslim is acted out by a non muslim actor.
In fact you will find that the BBC no matter what the program will almost always avoid actual Muslim actors in favour of 'blacking up'
Surely in 2010 this cant be legal?

I was thinking about writing in and complaining but because i dont have a tv licence i might make a rod for my own back.

[krakhead]

Eastenders recently had a Muslim wedding episode where NONE of the actors were actually Muslims.
They have had a Gay theme running from the onset 25 years ago but again the 'gay' muslim is acted out by a non muslim actor.
In fact you will find that the BBC no matter what the program will almost always avoid actual Muslim actors in favour of 'blacking up'
Surely in 2010 this cant be legal?


How would the portrayal of a follower of a particular religion by someone who is not of that particular religion be illegal? :confused:

[stelios]

The East end is an area of London with a very high percentage of Bengalis and Africans, yet to my limited knowledge there arent any Bengalis or Africans in Eastenders and i dont think there ever has been.
So the show has nothing to do with the real east end.

Ofcourse if you have a show which features a Muslim wedding you would expect at least some of the actors used to be actual Muslims?
I would.
But there wasnt even one.

Could it be because the show was used to portray Muslims in a negative light as always?

[krakhead]

The East end is an area of London with a very high percentage of Bengalis and Africans, yet to my limited knowledge there arent any Bengalis or Africans in Eastenders and i dont think there ever has been.
So the show has nothing to do with the real east end.

Ofcourse if you have a show which features a Muslim wedding you would expect at least some of the actors used to be actual Muslims?
I would.
But there wasnt even one.

Could it be because the show was used to portray Muslims in a negative light as always?

The show has nothing to do with 'real' life whatsoever though does it?

Personally, I couldn't care less if they used Mormons to portray Muslims on the show.

How are you so sure that none of the actors were/are Muslim? Not having a dig, genuine question, I never watch the show so am in complete ignorance here :D

[hagbard_celine]

Eastenders recently had a Muslim wedding episode where NONE of the actors were actually Muslims.
They have had a Gay theme running from the onset 25 years ago but again the 'gay' muslim is acted out by a non muslim actor.
In fact you will find that the BBC no matter what the program will almost always avoid actual Muslim actors in favour of 'blacking up'
Surely in 2010 this cant be legal?

I was thinking about writing in and complaining but because i dont have a tv licence i might make a rod for my own back.

What, you mean you don't join the rest of us in paying for this daily national manure ration!?:D;)

TavistockEnders has always been part of the politically correct vanguard from its very inception. It used to be considered controversial, but now it's obviously part of the agenda. What would really be controversial would be if a TV show rejected all this insulting, patronizing PC-bollocks.:rolleyes: Depressingly few of them do these days.

I wonder who they don't bring in real Muslims:confused:. Surely there are Muslim actors; they have them in other TV shows and movies.

[hagbard_celine]

Could it be because the show was used to portray Muslims in a negative light as always?

Well they certainly portray Muslims, as well as most other people, in a deeply patronizing light.:mad:

[hagbard_celine]

I never watch the show so am in complete ignorance here :D

Aw!:(:eek: Ignorance is definitely bliss in this case! I envy you, Kraks.

[signalnorth]

I still like my soaps, i know they're full of shit but i like the escapism for half an hour, im aware of the programming etc, we dont have the news on in the house and ive now got into the habit of turning the sound off between ads too! Small steps n'all that! Ive noticed the veil of negativity that comes down over us if the news comes on and we havnt managed to get to the remote in time, just the seriousness of the headlines, the tone of voice, its always very melancholy and the worst thing they could talk about is the first thing they put on!

Also thought i'd share a little something i happened to notice today, i came home from work and the tv was on ITV1 and the new show 'The Alan Titchmarsh Show' was on, there was a band playing and as the camera showed an above view of the band, i notived the stage floor (wooden) has a giant Sun on the floor in what appears to be different shades of wood, but a huge sun....most of the size of the stage!

also noticed this in Eastenders (sorry to blaspheme!!) in Peggy Mitchells lounge there is a step up to the living room door which is also wooden and has the same wooden sun on it as Alan Titchmarshes stage.....maybe its all coincidence but somehow i think not.....also there's two lovely red obelisks in Peggys lounge too, dont recall a story line in which they went to Egypt?LOl!!

I know its only silly little things but i notice them and they reinforce it all for me....

Check out the living room of the Rovers |Return and what you find on the walls there. Didn't know they were interested in Egypt either.

[hagbard_celine]

Check out the living room of the Rovers |Return and what you find on the walls there. Didn't know they were interested in Egypt either.

Will do. Thanks.:)

I remember in Gus' flat there was a picture of a pier with some kind of hut at the end. Shown from the perspective of being on the shore beside the foot looking out to see the pier looked just like the Truncated Illuminati Pyramid.:eek:

[sm1973]

Good for you!:) Eastenders is depressing because it's meant to be! It's created by the elite to demoralize us. Breaking away from it is an act of mental and spiritual freedom. They've not kept you in their net!

What makes me laugh on Eastenders is that almost everyone is linked to "The Firm" in some way, they are glamourizing cockernee gangsta rubbish!

It's the same with these football factory type films, they are all about bloody cockneys!

Why can't they bring one out about football hooligans from somewhere like Plymouth or Milton Keynes instead.

[sm1973]

I hate soaps and have never watched them EVER!

Most of all though I hate the word "Corrie". Its as if this pathetic excuse for a programme is a friend worthy of a nickname, A nickname for a soap FFS. When I hear people saying corrie this and corrie that I want to go up to them point blank and scream in their ears " You FOOL". There are some women I know that watch every soap they can like they re getting a fix. I think they might actually die if they didnt watch their superlame soaps. I think soaps are the reason a lot of women are pure drama queens, they are trying to emulate the scenarios they ve seen on tv with their boyfriend. They pretend that they re all upset by their boyfriend cheating on them but really they re thinking "sweet my life is starting to resemble wednesday nights episode of Corrie" now we can have a big dramtic argument like thursday nights episode of Corrie.

Anyone else feel like this about soaps?

This is a good post.
I used to watch "Corrie" "Brookside" and "Eastenders" quite a lot up until my mid twenties.

Then the Internet came about and I ditched this mind control and got interested in much more interesting things instead!

I also used to watch Home and Away and Neighbours religiously but now Home and Away is the only "soap" I watch regularly, it's not too bad as far as soaps go :)

[michael_mac]

Will do. Thanks.:)

I remember in Gus' flat there was a picture of a pier with some kind of hut at the end. Shown from the perspective of being on the shore beside the foot looking out to see the pier looked just like the Truncated Illuminati Pyramid.:eek:

In Corrie in the living room of the Rovers Return they have a picture of an Egyptian Pharoah on the wall and the great pyramid at Giza and also a small model pyramid on the table! You could say it's symbolic? Or you could say there are 1'000's of British households have such tat in their abodes - just like the 3 ducks on the wall!


You get better value for money with Eastenders because there are no gaps for adverts. But with the others they have adverts in between them that detract from the soap itself. The reason they call them soaps is because they started out as very short stories to fill in the spaces between advertisements! OK!

[hagbard_celine]

What makes me laugh on Eastenders is that almost everyone is linked to "The Firm" in some way, they are glamourizing cockernee gangsta rubbish!


Yeah, this is because they want to glamourize Social Darwinism. "It's da Law of da Jungle, Man! And I'm at da top of da tree 'cos I kno wot iss like on da streets, Man!":rolleyes: The manipulation is centred on personal divisions and amorality. Compassion is portrayed as a weakness, see my analysis above of "CAP's". Hussle is another series which is loaded with Conformist propaganda and even even more distilled than TavistockEnders.

[hagbard_celine]

In Corrie in the living room of the Rovers Return they have a picture of an Egyptian Pharoah on the wall and the great pyramid at Giza and also a small model pyramid on the table! You could say it's symbolic? Or you could say there are 1'000's of British households have such tat in their abodes - just like the 3 ducks on the wall!



:D

The props in the Corrie studio could be subliminals, although they themselves may have been put there unknowingly by a set-dresser who was themself subliminally manipulated.

You get better value for money with Eastenders because there are no gaps for adverts. But with the others they have adverts in between them that detract from the soap itself. The reason they call them soaps is because they started out as very short stories to fill in the spaces between advertisements! OK!

The thing is, the soaps also advetize a product, and that product is the Conformist Regime's culture.:(

[sm1973]

Yeah, this is because they want to glamourize Social Darwinism. "It's da Law of da Jungle, Man! And I'm at da top of da tree 'cos I kno wot iss like on da streets, Man!":rolleyes: The manipulation is centred on personal divisions and amorality. Compassion is portrayed as a weakness, see my analysis above of "CAP's". Hussle is another series which is loaded with Conformist propaganda and even even more distilled than TavistockEnders.

This is a good summing up Hagbard!
Before clocking off from work at 10pm last night I noticed loads of people asking "Who killed Archie Mitchell" :)

And the surprising thing was, they were all youngish lads in their 20's and
30's asking this question!!!

And there was me thinking Eastenders was watched by young women and older people with nothing better to do :D

[michael_mac]

[QUOTE=hagbard_celine;1058654795]:D

The props in the Corrie studio%

[michael_mac]

This is a good summing up Hagbard!
Before clocking off from work at 10pm last night I noticed loads of people asking "Who killed Archie Mitchell" :)

And the surprising thing was, they were all youngish lads in their 20's and
30's asking this question!!!

And there was me thinking Eastenders was watched by young women and older people with nothing better to do :D


Yes it's just a distraction from the real world and the real issues that count.

It's like when Tony Blair was question in the Iraq enquiry! It was a Friday the next day Saturday what was on the headlines of all the papers? About John Terry's affair? The issue that Tony Blair lied to the public was given second place to some "Eastenders style" gossip story - while the real issues are undermined.

[hagbard_celine]

This is a good summing up Hagbard!
Before clocking off from work at 10pm last night I noticed loads of people asking "Who killed Archie Mitchell" :)

And the surprising thing was, they were all youngish lads in their 20's and
30's asking this question!!!

And there was me thinking Eastenders was watched by young women and older people with nothing better to do :D

It is watched by them too. TavistockEnders has a poison for every gullet. It is designed to interest people of all ages and cultures and both genders.

It's sad that those blokes at work ask who shot Archie while not won dering who did 9/11 or if they'll have to give in their fingerprints while registering for a dentist!:rolleyes: That's the idea. TavistockEnders is the classic "Prolefeed".

[hagbard_celine]

Yes it's just a distraction from the real world and the real issues that count.

It's like when Tony Blair was question in the Iraq enquiry! It was a Friday the next day Saturday what was on the headlines of all the papers? About John Terry's affair? The issue that Tony Blair lied to the public was given second place to some "Eastenders style" gossip story - while the real issues are undermined.

Exactly, the important issues are buried under meaningless soap scandals and the private lives of sports stars. Who gives a shit about John Terry!?:rolleyes: It's straight out of Silent Weapons for a Quiet War: "Disengage their senses... keep them occupied by matters of no real importance while discouraging technical creativity."

[karen3]

It is watched by them too. TavistockEnders has a poison for every gullet. It is designed to interest people of all ages and cultures and both genders.

It's sad that those blokes at work ask who shot Archie while not won dering who did 9/11 or if they'll have to give in their fingerprints while registering for a dentist!:rolleyes: That's the idea. TavistockEnders is the classic "Prolefeed".

And yet you seem to be watching it enough yourself to dissect it and put your own horrible spin on what, in reality, is just a badly writtern, low-brow piece of shit televisin show.

[karen3]

It is watched by them too. TavistockEnders has a poison for every gullet. It is designed to interest people of all ages and cultures and both genders.

No, it isn't. It's designed to appeal to lowest common denominator morons.

[hagbard_celine]

And yet you seem to be watching it enough yourself to dissect it and put your own horrible spin on what, in reality, is just a badly writtern, low-brow piece of shit televisin show.

Believe me, my consumption of such digital/analoge manure is the bare minimum required for research purposes.;):p

[hagbard_celine]

No, it isn't. It's designed to appeal to lowest common denominator morons.

I'd say that about Roland Emmerich's films, but the BBC Tranterists are a lot more sophisticated.

[karen3]

I'd say that about Roland Emmerich's films, but the BBC Tranterists are a lot more sophisticated.

It's sad that you look for problems that don't actually exist.

[michael_mac]

And yet you seem to be watching it enough yourself to dissect it and put your own horrible spin on what, in reality, is just a badly writtern, low-brow piece of shit televisin show.

I watched a bit of it last night and thought "this is real dross" and turned it off - seeing that terrible 25th Anniversary Live Episode really shattered the spell over me. I was laughing my head off when Bradley climbed onto the roof and Jack and his brother were clinging onto the coppers arm in anticipation of events. It was dross! Unrealistic. If Bradley hadn't done the murder whey would he have tried so hard to get away? Just not realistic. He climbed on the roof just for dramatic effect! Really I've had it with Eastenders, the themes are just repeated year in year out with different characters!

[hagbard_celine]

It's sad that you look for problems that don't actually exist.

I think they do exist.

[hagbard_celine]

Really I've had it with Eastenders, the themes are just repeated year in year out with different characters!

It is extremely repetitive, and the reason it is so is not just because they've run out of original plots, it's because these plots are specifically created to mold our opinions, propmote personas and undermine our morale.:mad::(

[guuna]

No, it isn't. It's designed to appeal to lowest common denominator morons.

Well, I don't watch it unless perhaps Im in someone else's home and they have it on, but it does have an underlying theme of social egineering as an underlying theme.

[1eyeopen]

Carol (biancas mum) seems to planting alot of seeds in viewers minds since she came back.

[hagbard_celine]

Well, I don't watch it unless perhaps Im in someone else's home and they have it on, but it does have an underlying theme of social egineering as an underlying theme.

You've spotted it too.:) Glad I'm not alone there.:cool:

[hagbard_celine]

Carol (biancas mum) seems to planting alot of seeds in viewers minds since she came back.

They're going to fix her up with a teenage boy:rolleyes::rolleyes:. Yawn yawn!:p I know they gave up trying to be original years ago, but now it's almost as if they're making a positive effort to be unoriginal!:eek::confused:

[the_ohmbudsman]

They're going to fix her up with a teenage boy:rolleyes::rolleyes:. Yawn yawn!:p I know they gave up trying to be original years ago, but now it's almost as if they're making a positive effort to be unoriginal!:eek::confused:

I stopped watching it when Peggy walked out - I walked out with her! But then I accidently saw the Carol scene in which she ended up snogging a teenage body builder

Shit I don't want to be pulled back into that cycle of Eastenders!

[dusthead]

What’s up with Eastenders? Minty and Gus now both have girlfriends and Phil Mitchell, the CMI (Conformist Male Ideal) is back on the bottle! I don’t think for a moment that the producers they’re abandoning their Tavistock Institute hyperDarwinist and sexual conformist propaganda. This must be love-bombing! Give it a few weeks. Minty and Gus will be dumped for CMI’s and Phil will be shagging whoever the Alpha Female is at the moment. I bet she’s a CFI (Conformist Female Ideal). you'll have to fill me in because to tell you the truth I don’t watch Eastenders regularly any more because it makes me ill!

Come on Hagbard, you obviously LOVE Eastenders!

[hagbard_celine]

I stopped watching it when Peggy walked out - I walked out with her! But then I accidently saw the Carol scene in which she ended up snogging a teenage body builder

Shit I don't want to be pulled back into that cycle of Eastenders!

Don't give up! You're stronger than it is!:cool::D

[hagbard_celine]

Come on Hagbard, you obviously LOVE Eastenders!

No, I HATE it!:mad::eek::(

[the_ohmbudsman]

Don't give up! You're stronger than it is!:cool::D

Thanks Hagbard - but I hate Kat and Alfie :)

[hagbard_celine]

Thanks Hagbard - but I hate Kat and Alfie :)

They've changed them actually. When they first appeared years ago they were a strange and inexplicable departure from Conformism,. Maybe there was a rebellion at the studio!:):cool:

[the_ohmbudsman]

They've changed them actually. When they first appeared years ago they were a strange and inexplicable departure from Conformism,. Maybe there was a rebellion at the studio!:):cool:

I watched last nights episode (14th Dec 10) and it was very negative - Janine is poisoning her husband like something out of the film "Misery" moments latter Ben - Phil's Son is out of borstal, they've changed the character and he's now a silent brooding thug, who punches Phil to Phil's enjoyment - Evil has won out! That is Eastenders... Poison!

[hagbard_celine]

I watched last nights episode (14th Dec 10) and it was very negative - Janine is poisoning her husband like something out of the film "Misery" moments latter Ben - Phil's Son is out of borstal, they've changed the character and he's now a silent brooding thug, who punches Phil to Phil's enjoyment - Evil has won out! That is Eastenders... Poison!
Sadly the Tranterite Conformo-Evangelists are firmly back in control!:(:rolleyes:

[kiwimaj]

Thanks Hagbard - but I hate Kat and Alfie :)

I hated the way they dressed Kat up to look like a hooker, so much for respect for a pregnant woman! What message is THAT giving out to the masses? Pregnant women are akin to hookers?

The character I most disliked was Stacey, you couldn't find a more self centered, annoying piece of work than her...It made me laugh when they did that one hour special on her character and subsequently leaving and all those people on it raving about how she was "most loved, most popular.." etc...really?:rolleyes:

I quite like the Roxie and Christian characters...but apart from that, can't stand the show..;)

:D

[velma]

Janine's pimping Whitney!:eek: