from dave shayler (The Messiah)

[dr_strangelove]

“I’m Brian and so is my wife”

The Messiah is to hold a press conference this week.

Date: Thursday 6 September 2007
Time: 14:00
Place: to be arranged

Journalists are asked to arrive with an open mind as this is a truth which they are in no position to determine and they may be risking their chances of eternal life. I will be discussing my journey of spiritual redemption, why I know in my heart I am the Messiah and the mission to teach humanity in the run-up to 2012.

This is all rather embarrassing for someone who was an atheist technocrat three years ago. And I am painfully aware how mad all this sounds.

There is however ancient evidence to show that the Messiah is phonetically called ‘David Shayler’. When added to recent signs which have appeared independently of me – including a Messianic Cross of Saturn, Mercury, Venus and the Sun in the skies on 7/7/7, the day I was proclaimed Messiah -- it has become inescapable that a higher power is indicating that I am the anointed or chosen one who has come to save humanity.

To any who might find this surprising, I point out that I have spent ten years standing up for truth, justice and human rights with little concern for my own life, liberty and livelihood.

To clarify the position: I am the last incarnation of the Holy Ghost (aka the Holy Spirit) or the Yeshua or Jesus Spirit (aka the Christ consciousness). As the Holy Spirit is God incarnate as essence, I am God incarnated as spirit and man. Many cultures have accepted that the gods incarnate as humans, including the Egyptians, the Greeks and the Romans. In the West, this knowledge has been preserved as the unwritten Qabalah, the real secret guarded over the centuries by groups like the Templars and the Rosicrucians.

Other incarnations have included Tutenkhamen, King Arthur, Mark Anthony, Leonardo da Vinci, Lawrence of Arabia and Astronges, a Hebrew shepherd and revolutionary leader crucified in Palestine in 1 BC. I am both a re-incarnation of King David and of his bloodline.

It is absolutely clear to me that the world is going to hell in a handcart. Few would dispute that humanity needs a Messiah to get it through these difficult times. Those who follow the real teachings of Jesus – unconditional love and absolute faith -- have nothing to fear from the New Universe.

David Michael Shayler
Hebrew for Beloved King (who) shuffles through the Other World
3 September 2007


I wish I could be there. a miracle would be nice .

[vienna]

I wish I could be there. a miracle would be nice .

well done to the boys at Tavistock Institute for undermining another valid researcher to the 911 cause - nice to see they've perfected the 'self delusional' setting on that mico wave weaponry

[freespark]

Oh brother...i think they have gotten to this guy. What better way to make conspiracy 'thoerists' all look fucking barmy than to get the guy to confess he's the messiah!!

Jeeeus! :D

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Let's see what's up with this guy.

[deca]

I am mind control & electronic harassment victim

I was getting alot of wierd "god" and "religest" stuff around the 7/7/7 through microwave hearing
I hopefully manged to use it to inspire me,and not to discredit myself

check the dates of my post 8/7/7

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5892

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5882

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5887

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5806

[vienna]

Oh brother...i think they have gotten to this guy. What better way to make conspiracy 'thoerists' all look fucking barmy than to get the guy to confess he's the messiah!!

Jeeeus! :D


my thinking too - if he can manifest some proof, good , show us (would a 'messiah' go around boasting of the fact - or get on with it?)- but otherwise he should have the wits to know it's going to undermine his work - reminds me of Icke

I have nothing against Icke theorising about reptiles but he should have waited until definative proof before publishing his thoughts about it - the effect has only been to undermine his previous work

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

This could be part of the "anti-christ" conspieracy. Remember, the anti-christ is suppose to be able to make miracles aswell. The anti-christ will be loved by many high people.


Like I said, I want to see what happens.

[dr_strangelove]

anyone gonna go tape it and put it on utube ?

[hagbard_celine]

Some of you are being very negative about this. I say let's give him a chance. What he's going though right now might simply be a spiritual emergence crisis. People in this situation are usually shoved onto the mentally ill conveyor belt by the pharmaceutical industry and get forcefed prozac until they're "good, responsible, productive citizens". Shayler might well be saying some pretty far out things now, but give him a year or two to calm down.

16 years ago David was going through a similar phase and he soon came through it OK. Time will tell if Shayler is serious or not.

I've written to Shayler giving him my support. It takes a lot of guts to stand up on a stage and say what he did.

[dr_strangelove]

Some of you are being very negative about this. I say let's give him a chance. What he's going though right now might simply be a spiritual emergence crisis. People in this situation are usually shoved onto the mentally ill conveyor belt by the pharmaceutical industry and get forcefed prozac until they're "good, responsible, productive citizens". Shayler might well be saying some pretty far out things now, but give him a year or two to calm down.

16 years ago David was going through a similar phase and he soon came through it OK. Time will tell if Shayler is serious or not.

I've written to Shayler giving him my support. It takes a lot of guts to stand up on a stage and say what he did.

it's a fair comment.

this could be a monumental moment.

[limelady]

Some of you are being very negative about this. I say let's give him a chance. What he's going though right now might simply be a spiritual emergence crisis. People in this situation are usually shoved onto the mentally ill conveyor belt by the pharmaceutical industry and get forcefed prozac until they're "good, responsible, productive citizens". Shayler might well be saying some pretty far out things now, but give him a year or two to calm down.

16 years ago David was going through a similar phase and he soon came through it OK. Time will tell if Shayler is serious or not.

I've written to Shayler giving him my support. It takes a lot of guts to stand up on a stage and say what he did.

Exactly!

Lets not be too judgemental. It could be a bumpy awakening similar to what David experienced, or it could be Travistock MC or something else. But right now its probably better to just wait and see what happens.

We sure do live in interesting times huh? :p

[chicken]

Dear All - All this stuff is interesting about Shayler - Also two of you have mentioned the MC at Tavistock - As it happens I am researching this stuff at the moment. Please tell me what you know. How did you know about this?

Chicken

[mr_moon]

Some of you are being very negative about this. I say let's give him a chance. What he's going though right now might simply be a spiritual emergence crisis. People in this situation are usually shoved onto the mentally ill conveyor belt by the pharmaceutical industry and get forcefed prozac until they're "good, responsible, productive citizens". Shayler might well be saying some pretty far out things now, but give him a year or two to calm down.

16 years ago David was going through a similar phase and he soon came through it OK. Time will tell if Shayler is serious or not.

I've written to Shayler giving him my support. It takes a lot of guts to stand up on a stage and say what he did.

I'm getting a feeling that he is a Manifestation of what a LOT of people have been feeling and thinking about the nature of reality these past few years...

...we may see more and more people like this popping up over the coming months- with good reason too!!

What better spokesperson to the masses, than a former MI5 Agent! People will wonder what the hell is going on but it'll be exciting nonetheless!

The press won't want to touch him and if they do- we should start asking the questions. Are they purposefully trying to ridicule him? Or are they purposefully trying to promote him for some other agenda?

Let's see what happens!!

Much Love,

Jay
xxx

[synergy777]

if anyone is the messiah, then why wait, get off and your yoga postion sitting arse, and bring down the nwo. if he has the power he claims, use it. if i had his power, i would be organisng resistence/movement, and getting ready to bring their satanic arse down. i hate all this shit, i am the one, yada fucking yada, go and do the chosen's job, and help the masses? they don't do they, why? whats holding them back, if they have these powers, why the fear?

if i was awakened, enlightend and all that jazz,, i would just book tickets to rome, walk outside the vatican, and bring the fuckers down, job done, walk off, without anyone knowing who i was, thats it. they want the fame and not the job. me i want the victory and all the free pints, lol

[vienna]

if anyone is the messiah, then why wait, get off and your yoga postion sitting arse, and bring down the nwo. if he has the power he claims, use it. if i had his power, i would be organisng resistence/movement, and getting ready to bring their satanic arse down. i hate all this shit, i am the one, yada fucking yada, go and do the chosen's job, and help the masses? they don't do they, why? whats holding them back, if they have these powers, why the fear?

if i was awakened, enlightend and all that jazz,, i would just book tickets to rome, walk outside the vatican, and bring the fuckers down, job done, walk off, without anyone knowing who i was, thats it. they want the fame and not the job. me i want the victory and all the free pints, lol

pffft! glad to know at least one other person here is talking sense -

it's a fact Tavistock could alter mind behaviour back in the 60s through electronic beam as well as directing human voice and sound via micro wave technology - I think I'm more liable to belive that he's been 'got at', given his background, than him being the 'messiah' - this theory at least can be proven as the technology exists to produce these states in people



www.raven1.net

worth checking this site out
also check out what the CIA was upto in the 1970s with MKUltra

[sevenworlds]

I don't know what is going on with him, guess we'll just have to watch it unfold.

I agree with synergy777 and vienna though... someone who is genuinely enlightened would not be going around saying the things he is. If he was the real messiah he would be humble. Actions speak louder than words.

I don't know know everything Icke said during his awakening but I don't think you can compare him to Shayler. We're all "sons of God" but Shayler seems to be going way further than that.

[vienna]

A meeting sponsored by Defense & Foreign Affairs and the International
Strategic Studies Association was held in Washington DC in 1983

High-levelofficials from many countries met for this conference

They discussed psychological strategies related to government and policymaking

A summary of the agenda reads:

"The group will be discussing the essence of future
policymaking, for it msut be increasingly clear to all that the most effec-
tive tool of government and strategy is the mind... If it's any consolation
to the weapons-oriented among defense policymakers, the new technologies of communications -- satellites, television, radio, and mind-control
beams -- are 'systems' which are more tangible than the more
philosophically based psychological strategies and operations"

"But we should make no mistake; it will be the 'psychologically based'
systems which determine the world's fate in coming years: the condition of
the minds of populations and leaders. And we should not ignore the fact
that the USSR [this was in 1983] is working on electronic systems to
'beam' messages directly into the brain. What good, then, are conventional
systems if these types of weapons are not countered? And, on a more basic
level, what good is a weapon system if public opinion or political con-
straints prohibit its deployment?"

On July 21, 1994, the US Department of Defense proposed that non-lethal
weapons be used not only against declared enemies, but against anyone
engaged in activities that the DOD opposed. That could include almost any-
body and anything. Note that the mind-control technology is classified
under non-lethal weapons.




The HAARP facility could be used to broadcast global mind-control messages,
or such messages could simply be inserted into existing systems.

Dr. Igor Smirnov, of the Institute of Psycho-correction in Moscow, says in
regard to this technology:


"It is easily conceviable that some Russian
'Satan', or let's say Iranian [or any other 'Satan'], as long as he owns the
appropriate means and finances, can inject himself [intrude] into every con-
ceivable computer network, into every conceivable radio or television broad-
cast, with relative technological ease, even without disconnecting cables.
You can intercept the [radio] waves in the aether and then [subliminally]
modulate every conceivable suggestion into it. If this transpires over a
long enough time period, it accumulates in the heads of people. And even-
tually they can be artificially manipulated with other additional measure-
ments, to do that which this perpetrator wants [them to do]. This is why
[such technology] is rightfully feared."

http://www.raven1.net/mkcover.gif

[synergy777]

if he was the messiah, he would think, fuck this for a laugh, stay quiet, its a hiding to nothing helping these tyrannical masses, i got betrayed once, fuck getting betrayed a second time, betrayal is worse than death, loyalty is worth more than money,lol

[edelweiss pirate]

It's his own choice.

He has chosen to show himself. As you say Synergy, some people keep quiet about these things or they don't have a media platform.

He is not the only one and he is playing a dangerous game if he expects people to believe that...

We need a new game, not the same old Jewsish crazy beard's bad dream.

He's all right though.

But David, I reckon I could out messiah you anyday.. up for a challenge? Let's see what you've got....

I got the same psychic phone call as you Dave (not that he's reading this shit but who cares)..... I put the phone down on the elitist 'You are the only one' crap because I KNOW that ONE IS NOT ENOUGH.


WE NEED A FUCKING ARMY OF MESSIAHS.. Saying 'I am THE one' is the same elitist trap...

He'll get it sooner or later..

[cruise4]

What we need is a Football Match...
Coventry v. Middlesborough
That'll sort it
Maybe this is the 4th density equivalent forming :D

Sounds like a nice guy though.

[mr_moon]

I hope there isn't a War of the Messiah's (although it would make a kick-arse film don't you think?!)

[kblood]

I am planning to go visit Dave Shayler next chance I get. Next chance I get a week to do so anyway. When in the UK I might as well look around a bit :)

If he is "the" messiah, then I for one would be quite relieved, but it seems to me that so many are being told they are the messiah these days, and I for one know quite well that there are many higher beings capable of making us believe so.

None of that really matters though, what does matter is how Shayler is planning to go ahead with this. What will he be telling everyone, and does any of his visions come true? We should know so within a few years.

I like to keep up to date on this Shayler, just to see what comes next. I cannot say I fully believe him, but I see no reason to fully disregard him either. I respect him alot simply for doing what he has done.

[mr_moon]

All we need to do is keep our Integrity. There's no 'war' to fight, there are no 'enemies' to topple. We are are OWN enemy and the fight is going on WITHIN us.

As soon as we stop feeling anger and hatred towards others we find that our 'Reality' begins to change.

Some call it ignorance, some call it running away but I say if you want to make a difference in the world then don't join the 'Mental Army' and go out there fighting and shouting about how the NWO need bringing down and 'people should be this' and 'people should be that'...

...to make a difference is to be Peacful, allowing and brave. It takes far more Courage to submit to your self, allow anger and fear to pass through you and be aware that you are BEYOND all that! It also takes a great deal of courage to accept that whatever happens is nature's natural process of evolution.

Think of it as being a 'ghost' and standing in the middle of a war-torn battle between people. You would see that their 'bodies' were fighting, their Minds engaged in conflict but their Spirit would be doing exactly the same as you. Watching in Love and sadness. Marvelling at the beauty of manipulation and ignorance of people still stuck in the evolutionary stage of fear and survival. Grateful for your true nature of spirit and who you really are inside. Grateful for the realisation of your current stage of evolution. The violence would pass through you, fear passing through you, unaffected by what you are experiencing.

You would be in a different dimension.

As multi-dimensional beings we need to adopt a more open mind and remember we do not need to 'survive' anymore and that 'fear' is food for survival. We must take the step into an expanded state of awareness, allowance and acceptance of 'what is' in order to experience a change of Reality.

I believe that in order to rid the world of pain, suffering, death, fear, control, war and all of those horrible things, we must expand around it and accept that it is operating in a different dimension to the one we want to experience.

Ignorance causes fighting. Fighting solves nothing. Acceptance solves everything and everything is you.

May Love save your World!
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[edelweiss pirate]

That's a beautiful post MrMoon... It's worth reading and rereading, very uplifting. Thanks.

[kblood]

Yup, I agree with you MrMoon :) Nice post.

[auron]

...to make a difference is to be Peacful, allowing and brave. It takes far more Courage to submit to your self, allow anger and fear to pass through you and be aware that you are BEYOND all that! It also takes a great deal of courage to accept that whatever happens is nature's natural process of evolution.


http://aycu14.webshots.com/image/24573/2000149123179367988_rs.jpg

[chris]

Mr Moon even though what you say about oneness is 100% in my philosophy I don't believe you can stand by and watch it happen because it's all an illusion. Marsilio Ficino who continued hermeticism and infinite love only truth theory from the 15 hundreds has said many times that you are a fool if you think you are on that level to adhere to the highest truths alone.

Vienna even though I think it's a possibility that Shayler has been bluebeemed I think it's more likely that he got fed up with his life and knew that it would be much easier to do a Cypher and opt out of the movement and it's little physical rewards for an inner party membership. If he was being bluebeemed he would be wise enough to not let his visions out in the open which is what you said earlier.

[mr_moon]

Mr Moon even though what you say about oneness is 100% in my philosophy I don't believe you can stand by and watch it happen because it's all an illusion. Marsilio Ficino who continued hermeticism and infinite love only truth theory from the 15 hundreds has said many times that you are a fool if you think you are on that level to adhere to the highest truths alone.

Hi Chris,

I think the word 'Illusion' is too strong a word to describe Reality because it is very real. What i mean by expanding around it, is to alter the events that are taking place through using our power as individuals. No fighting, no resistance to 'what is' but the understanding that we CAN change our perceptions of reality- thus the actual reality- through understanding and awareness of the internal and external operations of existence. Infinite Love, if it is the foundation of all life and matter, is innocent and pure. If we want to create something or make something happen then we need to be like this as people but use our intelligence and integrity at the same time...

It would be a mix of baby existence and wise elder existence!

It's a fearful thought to think we can make a difference on the other side of the world by merely feeling Love inside us but when we do this, we don't just sit around doing nothing... we take some form of action and put intent into the feeling.

My wife has a Fair Trade shop and the more she focuses on how much Love she has for people and those struggling on the other side of the world, the more people seem to be buying Fair Trade products! She's not actively competing against the corporate stores or getting angry that they exist, she isn't fighting them or going 'against' them- she just never buys anything from them!

Making people aware of what these stores are doing is all that is needed and it is done by simultaneously making people aware of what Fair Trade is doing...

It's the same with my band and the music that i am writing. I am writing music in such a way, that i am just allowing it to flow out of me from the Universe in such a harmonic way, filled with so much Energy, Love and Passion, that hopefully it will connect to us all INTERNALLY and make us all feel Joy and Love. Providing a message of awareness about reality in the songs adds double the effect. I am hoping it will expand people's awareness of music, its power and hopefully expand us all away from the current re-cycled, re-packaged, cyclic chart music that is being controlled by people with a mere interest in money and control.

:)

[hagbard_celine]

Exactly!

Lets not be too judgemental. It could be a bumpy awakening similar to what David experienced, or it could be Travistock MC or something else. But right now its probably better to just wait and see what happens.

We sure do live in interesting times huh? :p


I'm waiting to see if he writes a book! That will be worth reading. In 20 years time they'll be collector's items, like the early editions of Truth Vibrations.

[hagbard_celine]

I'm getting a feeling that he is a Manifestation of what a LOT of people have been feeling and thinking about the nature of reality these past few years...

...we may see more and more people like this popping up over the coming months- with good reason too!!

What better spokesperson to the masses, than a former MI5 Agent! People will wonder what the hell is going on but it'll be exciting nonetheless!

The press won't want to touch him and if they do- we should start asking the questions. Are they purposefully trying to ridicule him? Or are they purposefully trying to promote him for some other agenda?

Let's see what happens!!

Much Love,

Jay
xxx

He says in his interview that this is a natural progression for any anti-establishment train of thought. At the end of the road, the biggest, most far-reaching conspiracy of all, the Biggest Secret, is spiritual. The way we're denied the knowlege of the true nature of the universe and consciouness is the root from where all other conspiracies sprout.

He may well be a bit overloaded at the moment and went over the top, but our Dave did too when he had his "turquoise period", but as he said: "When the waters settled they were at a much higher level than before.

Shayler's waters will settle too soon.

[lifeofbrian]

from dave shayler (The Messiah)

I wish I could be there. a miracle would be nice .


How old is David Shayler? If he's around 40 (35-55) a mid-life crisis is not out of the question. A mid-life crisis is much like the second teen period. Questioning everything, etc, episodes of megalomania not uncommon. Can go a bit overboard.

Or, he had a really good roll in the hay and his kundalini got activated. Jesus/savior complex is a given then to people who didn't sort out their spiritual beliefs earlier in life.

Or, he's been MK'd.

Or, he's just taking the piss.

[dr_strangelove]

http://www.zeigermann.com/cartoonist/images/2006/01/31/kinski.jpg

klaus kinski

anybody seen my best fiend by werner herzog ?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yBDEQe9CjOU&mode=related&search=

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yBDEQe9CjOU&mode=related&search=

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yBDEQe9CjOU&mode=related&search=

there could be much worse messiahs than david shayler .

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[john white]

I'm waiting to see if he writes a book! That will be worth reading. In 20 years time they'll be collector's items, like the early editions of Truth Vibrations.

Really? You mean my first edition is actually "worth" something? :)

right! Off to Ebay!

(JK! I love that book, its cool)

[john white]

How old is David Shayler? If he's around 40 (35-55) a mid-life crisis is not out of the question. A mid-life crisis is much like the second teen period. Questioning everything, etc, episodes of megalomania not uncommon. Can go a bit overboard.

Or, he had a really good roll in the hay and his kundalini got activated. Jesus/savior complex is a given then to people who didn't sort out their spiritual beliefs earlier in life.

Or, he's been MK'd.

Or, he's just taking the piss.

Or astrologically, a Chiron return often smacks people around the back of the head

[kblood]

He says in his interview that this is a natural progression for any anti-establishment train of thought. At the end of the road, the biggest, most far-reaching conspiracy of all, the Biggest Secret, is spiritual. The way we're denied the knowlege of the true nature of the universe and consciouness is the root from where all other conspiracies sprout..

Yes, I believe it is spiritual as well. I believe we can find most the answers we might be seeking within ourselves, but sometimes we need clues or other things to happen to us or something we need to find here, so that we can come to realise how we get to seek these answers within ourself, or what answers it is we are actually seeking.

Some of the things I have seen so far, makes it seem like angels and other otherworldly beings are living among us like regular humans. That the things we read about in religious books actually happens here on Earth as well. If we know where to look, we might be able to find the angels here on Earth that are here to help us and protect us.

It is simply easier for us to believe it to be conspiracies, aliens and Illuminati. Things we can comprehend and understand in some way. I do believe there is more to it all though. The Illuminati if they really exists, must have come to realise the bigger picture, and what is going on. They might want to influence it, but going against a tidal wave is near impossible. If they want part of it, they will have to follow the current. Most of us seems to surf it unknowingly :) The currents and waves of the river of time.

[dr_strangelove]

err what about my comments?

would anybody care to view my post about klaus kinski .

after all i am the most important person on the forum. :cool:







.

[john white]

err what about my comments?

would anybody care to view my post about klaus kinski .

after all i am the most important person on the forum. :cool:







.

but... it involves watching @ half an hour of You Tube!

Are you sure you're THAT important? ;):)

As Dave Shayler is obviously fully commited to playing the Messiah role, he's certainly got every chance of being better than most in the job... but as you point out, thats not nessacarily saying much!

[juliekc]

I watched this and thought the guy was off his head. He seems to be a little delussional, or maybe a lot. :rolleyes:

JulieKC

[hagbard_celine]

How old is David Shayler? If he's around 40 (35-55) a mid-life crisis is not out of the question. A mid-life crisis is much like the second teen period. Questioning everything, etc, episodes of megalomania not uncommon. Can go a bit overboard.

Or, he had a really good roll in the hay and his kundalini got activated. Jesus/savior complex is a given then to people who didn't sort out their spiritual beliefs earlier in life.

Or, he's been MK'd.

Or, he's just taking the piss.

He was born on Christmas Eve 1965, so he's the right age for a "mid-life crisis", but it's far to soon to say for sure where he's coming from. I wouldn't be surprised if he was experiencing what many people experience when they suddenly discover the glories beneath the veil and it's just too much to take in: A spiritual emergence crisis. The modern psychiatric health serive dismisses it as a pathology and many experiencers are treated as ill and dumped in a padded cell with a prozac enema. Luckily some mental healthcare professionals take a more enlightened view:

http://www.spiritualemergence.net/pages/booklist.html

I've written to David Shayler to wish him all the best and that I'll be interesed in what he says.

[hagbard_celine]

I watched this and thought the guy was off his head. He seems to be a little delussional, or maybe a lot. :rolleyes:

JulieKC

If you said that about me I'd be flattered! It's when you get called "normal", "sane" and a "good citizen" that I'd be worried! ;)

[fantana]

This is not Harry Potter and David Shayler, it is David Shayler and me

http://www.fantana.net/shayler.jpg

[albie]

I'd like to know what Shayler is going to do in his role as messiah. Seeing as unveiling the secrets of the secret service did sod all.

And going on about holographic planes did sod all.

If he's going to fly or poo wine or grow an extra face he better get on with it.

He won't. He'll just bring out books about atlantis recipes and go on reality TV shows.

Or will they be UN reality TV shows? Guffaw.

[hagbard_celine]

I'd like to know what Shayler is going to do in his role as messiah. Seeing as unveiling the secrets of the secret service did sod all.

And going on about holographic planes did sod all.

If he's going to fly or poo wine or grow an extra face he better get on with it.

He won't. He'll just bring out books about atlantis recipes and go on reality TV shows.

Or will they be UN reality TV shows? Guffaw.

People scoffed at David 16 years ago. Give the man a chance!

[bicycle]

This is not Harry Potter and David Shayler, it is David Shayler and me

http://www.fantana.net/shayler.jpg

You too old to play harry potter now, then:)

[albie]

People scoffed at David 16 years ago. Give the man a chance!

Just saying. None of the above did anything. A miracle is the only thing left.

Losing weight just ain't gonna' cut the cake, Shayler.

[albie]

And people are still scoffing at Icke, aren't they?

He hasn't turned water into cider either.

Sure he packs them in for a lecture, but we already knew that there's a whole host of whacko jackos out there who will believe anything.

Mediums have been coining it in off them for hundreds of years.:mad:

[albie]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=475616&in_page_id=1770

Anyone seen this interview?

He doesn't think Icke gets it right.

Hey, if Shalyer doesn't come out with the Reptile thing that would prove he was wrong...to you.

Funny that all those psychics and mediums in the past never mentioned the reptiles...init.:p

[albie]

But this is on a whole different scale. It was back in April that he performed what he calls his first and greatest miracle - securing his beloved team Middlesbrough a place in the UEFA Cup Final.

"It was the quarter-final against Basle and we were 3-0 down after the first leg and needed four goals in the second match to win. I sat there, said to the creator, "give me a sign" and meditated - which is tricky at a football match, because every instinct is to abuse the ref and the opposition and, instead you have to shower them with unconditional love. But I managed to focus and we played like we'd never played before, winning 4-0."

He did it again in the semi-final, against Bucharest.

"Again we were 3-0 down, again I meditated and, bang, we won - a real miracle."

So what about the final, when Middlesbrough lost 4-0 to Seville?

"Ah... interesting question," he says, looking sheepish. "I got drunk and it turns out it doesn't work if you're drunk. You can't focus."

After that, he claims the 'creator' informed him that influencing football results - however dear to his heart - was not an appropriate use of the light. So he changed tack.

"On 28 June, I was told I had to remove darkness from London. I wasn't sure what it was all about, but I stayed up all night meditating and, the next morning, I heard a bomb had been found but no one had been hurt. That was my miracle."

I look up sharply, but he is deadly serious.


ROFL.

[fantana]

I got drunk and it turns out it doesn't work if you're drunk. You can't focus.

This is womens number 1 complaint with men.

[2013]

Okay if everything is everything and we are all ONE and he's the ONE then we all are .If the technology exists and i know it does to create this effect then they have it and we dont so then we are fucked (but we aint because we are free we always where ), but wait a minute we have the power can our power overcome their technology or does their technology dictate that we think we have the power ,and so how can we trust our belief that we can overcome ?
Hey, you remind me of a man. What man? The man with the power. What power? The power of hoodoo. Hoodoo? You do. Do what? Remind me of a man. What man? The man with the power.. cary grant :D

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=u22mphQsn5s
Clinton apologises for mk ultra this is just a small sample from the speech not very good quality does anyone else have the full speech .I saw it on a ufo documentary a long time back and this is the only bit i could find .:D
either way he is drawing attention to matters spiritual and otherworldly for whatever reason it may make people wake up to themselves wich is a good thing remember its all information and energy up to you how you use it .Thoughts ,thats all why so scarey or ridiculous!

[2013]

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=r9oyJn7lgFk
similar thing to a house of cards remove the bottom corner of the pyramid and it all comes tumbling down , it doesnt have to take something massive :D Ideas !

[deca]

hi 2013,

You have got to remember that mkultra was 30 odd years ago.
Also what we see in the press and scientists journals doing Brain scans,implants,TMS,reading thoughts,ELF`s, Binaural beats,hemi sync,NLP,magnetics was probably experimented and refined back then,but keeped quite.

[lifeofbrian]

hi 2013,

You have got to remember that mkultra was 30 odd years ago.
Also what we see in the press and scientists journals doing Brain scans,implants,TMS,reading thoughts,ELF`s, Binaural beats,hemi sync,NLP,magnetics was probably experimented and refined back then,but keeped quite.

If you don't mind me adding a footnote? You mention hemi-sync. The SRI people, remote viewers (ca 1972-1996) and other INSCOM officers attended The Monroe Institute and experimented with altered states. Paranormal enthusiast Major General Albert Stubblebine, INSCOM commander, eventually curtailed the use of the Monroe Institute "Hemi-Sync" tapes. He named the reason as being the RV's and others had participated in workshops and were using the tapes in "a non-INSCOM sponsored capacity". What the hemi-sync tapes do, is balance the brain so that the OBE can be used in exploring life after death, not merely as a 'radar' tool that the Army was interested in. So it was more than they needed and was interested in RV's getting involved with. Life after death, and stuff goes on there all the time? Spying must have seemed less interesting all of a sudden. ETA: Not to mention Robert Monroe offered the same tapes to the public. Uh-huh. Anyone could learn how to 'spy' in other words, and find out the truth about 'God' as well, for themselves; the Army wasn't too keen on putting their stamp of approval on anything like that.

[deca]

Binaural beats,hemi sync,NLP I use Neuro-Programmer 2( http://www.transparentcorp.com/products/np/ )(with positive messages has been one of the best defense against the attack on my mind.

I have experienced some crazy shit in altered states, but can`t talk about it as
it falls in the "dulsional" label that mind control & electronic harassment victims
currently are viewed by.

Thats why I believe dave shayler is under a similar attack as I have experienced similar.
Ie sign and symbols having a direct meaning to me,been able to influence sporting events and other stuff

[hagbard_celine]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=475616&in_page_id=1770

Anyone seen this interview?

He doesn't think Icke gets it right.

Hey, if Shalyer doesn't come out with the Reptile thing that would prove he was wrong...to you.

Funny that all those psychics and mediums in the past never mentioned the reptiles...init.:p


This was an awful interview! Not that my hopes were high, seeing as it's the Daily Mail! All they're doing is taking the piss, just like they did with Icke 16 years ago!

Want a bet that if Terry Wogan interviews him you'll get "But, David, they're laughing at you, not with you."

[lifeofbrian]

[...]
Thats why I believe dave shayler is under a similar attack [...]

Sad to say, wouldn't rule that out at all.

[albie]

This was an awful interview! Not that my hopes were high, seeing as it's the Daily Mail! All they're doing is taking the piss, just like they did with Icke 16 years ago!

Want a bet that if Terry Wogan interviews him you'll get "But, David, they're laughing at you, not with you."

They are his words. Are they not?

His is claiming to win football games and foil bomb plots. Is he not?

[thirdwave]

My Gut feeling tells me he has been under some serious brainwashing...

you see, I think that when they put this disinfo out and stuff to discredit people, they have to get the person to put out certain amount of valid correct info... because the aim is to program that info into sounding crazy and "just a bunch of odd head stuff that some of these crazy people cook up" , when infact even though they are off their heads... they are right.

for me the guy does not look with it.... he IMO is under deep mind control and has probably gone through extremely stressful brainwashing...

not only now can skeptics brush off his exposures of 9/11 that was very powerful when he used to have the respect he had..... but now its easy to say he is just a fruit loop.

likewise people can now say.... people like Shayler and Icke are this and that.....

anyone who pushes truth out is going to be under attack to an extent... whether it be there character or their lives....

This guy was on sky news fully exposing 9/11, he also went deeply into how the secret services are not doing things in our interests... one might ask the question "how is this guy still alive" ...well is he??? ..looks pretty gone to me...

and this is not the same as Ickes thing years back.... icke clearly went on a bender but in these interviews where "he claimed to be the son of god" there was allot of twisting and distortion to come out with that.... looking back you can clearly see what he was trying to say.... was just making a bit of a mess of it and being a bit blind to peoples manipulation....

but shaylor is quite cleary explaining to people what he thinks... and who he is... and he does not really seem to have any relevant message.

[deca]

This Is Your Brain on God

Michael Persinger has a vision - the Almighty isn't dead, he's an energy field. And your mind is an electromagnetic map to your soul.

This Is Your Brain on God

Michael Persinger has a vision - the Almighty isn't dead, he's an energy field. And your mind is an electromagnetic map to your soul.

By Jack Hitt

Over a scratchy speaker, a researcher announces, "Jack, one of your electrodes is loose, we're coming in." The 500-pound steel door of the experimental chamber opens with a heavy whoosh; two technicians wearing white lab coats march in. They remove the Ping-Pong-ball halves taped over my eyes and carefully lift a yellow motorcycle helmet that's been retrofitted with electromagnetic field-emitting solenoids on the sides, aimed directly at my temples. Above the left hemisphere of my 42-year-old male brain, they locate the dangling electrode, needed to measure and track my brain waves. The researchers slather more conducting cream into the graying wisps of my red hair and press the securing tape hard into my scalp.

After restoring everything to its proper working position, the techies exit, and I'm left sitting inside the utterly silent, utterly black vault. A few commands are typed into a computer outside the chamber, and selected electromagnetic fields begin gently thrumming my brain's temporal lobes. The fields are no more intense than what you'd get as by-product from an ordinary blow-dryer, but what's coming is anything but ordinary. My lobes are about to be bathed with precise wavelength patterns that are supposed to affect my mind in a stunning way, artificially inducing the sensation that I am seeing God.

I'm taking part in a vanguard experiment on the physical sources of spiritual consciousness, the current work-in-progress of Michael Persinger, a neuropsychologist at Canada's Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario. His theory is that the sensation described as "having a religious experience" is merely a side effect of our bicameral brain's feverish activities. Simplified considerably, the idea goes like so: When the right hemisphere of the brain, the seat of emotion, is stimulated in the cerebral region presumed to control notions of self, and then the left hemisphere, the seat of language, is called upon to make sense of this nonexistent entity, the mind generates a "sensed presence."

Persinger has tickled the temporal lobes of more than 900 people before me and has concluded, among other things, that different subjects label this ghostly perception with the names that their cultures have trained them to use - Elijah, Jesus, the Virgin Mary, Mohammed, the Sky Spirit. Some subjects have emerged with Freudian interpretations - describing the presence as one's grandfather, for instance - while others, agnostics with more than a passing faith in UFOs, tell something that sounds more like a standard alien-abduction story.

It may seem sacrilegious and presumptuous to reduce God to a few ornery synapses, but modern neuroscience isn't shy about defining our most sacred notions - love, joy, altruism, pity - as nothing more than static from our impressively large cerebrums. Persinger goes one step further. His work practically constitutes a Grand Unified Theory of the Otherworldly: He believes cerebral fritzing is responsible for almost anything one might describe as paranormal - aliens, heavenly apparitions, past-life sensations, near-death experiences, awareness of the soul, you name it.

To those of us who prefer a little mystery in our lives, it all sounds like a letdown. And as I settle in for my mind trip, I'm starting to get apprehensive. I'm a lapsed Episcopalian clinging to only a hazy sense of the divine, but I don't especially like the idea that whatever vestigial faith I have in the Almighty's existence might get clinically lobotomized by Persinger's demo. Do I really want God to be rendered as explicable and predictable as an endorphin rush after a 3-mile run?


The journey from my home in Connecticut to the mining district north of Lake Huron is, by modern standards, arduous. Given what's in store, it's also strangely fitting. When you think of people seeking divine visions, you imagine them trekking to some mountainous cloister. The pilgrimage to Persinger's lab is the clinical counterpart.

The trip involves flying in increasingly smaller puddle-jumpers with increasingly fewer propellers until you land in the ore-rich Ontario town of Sudbury, a place that's been battered by commerce, geography, and climate. Jags of red rock and black iron erupt from the landscape, often bolting right out of the pavement. The weather-beaten concrete exteriors of the city's buildings speak of long, harsh winters.

A short car ride through stony suburbs ends at a forlorn cluster of a dozen buildings: Laurentian University. Near Parking Lot 4, I am met by Charles Cook, a grad student of Persinger's. He leads me into the science building's basement, then to the windowless confines of Room C002B, Persinger's lair.

Waiting there is Linda St-Pierre, another graduate student, who prompts me to sit down, then launches into a series of psychological questions. I answer a range of true-or-false statements from an old version of the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory, a test designed to ferret out any nuttiness that might disqualify me from serving as a study subject. When read individually, the questions seem harmless, but as a group they sound hopelessly antiquated, as if the folks who devised the exam hadn't checked the warehouse for anachronisms in five decades:

I like to read mechanics magazines.
Someone is trying to poison me.
I have successful bowel movements.
I know who is trying to get me.
As a child, I enjoyed playing drop-the-handkerchief.

I'm escorted into the chamber, an old sound-experiment booth. The tiny room doesn't appear to have been redecorated since it was built in the early '70s. The frayed spaghettis of a brown-and-white shag carpet, along with huge, wall-mounted speakers covered in glittery black nylon, surround a spent brown recliner upholstered in the prickly polymers of that time. The chair, frankly, is repellent. Hundreds of subjects have settled into its itchy embrace, and its brown contours are spotted with dollops of electrode-conducting cream, dried like toothpaste, giving the seat the look of a favored seagulls' haunt.

In the name of science, I sit down.


Persinger's research forays are at the very frontier of the roiling field of neuroscience, the biochemical approach to the study of the brain. Much of what we hear about the discipline is anatomical stuff, involving the mapping of the brain's many folds and networks, performed by reading PET scans, observing blood flows, or deducing connections from stroke and accident victims who've suffered serious brain damage. But cognitive neuroscience is also a grab bag of more theoretical pursuits that can range from general consciousness studies to finding the neural basis for all kinds of sensations.

As the work piles up, many things that we hold to be unique aspects of the "self" are reduced to mere tics of cranial function. Take laughter. According to Vilayanur Ramachandran, professor of neuroscience at UC San Diego, laughter is just the brain's way of signaling that a fearful circumstance is not really so worrisome. At a conference earlier this year, he posited that the classic banana-peel pratfall is funny only when the victim gets up, and that we laugh to alert "other members of [our] kin that, 'Look, there has been a false alarm here; don't waste your resources rushing to help.'" He calls laughter "nature's OK signal."

Of course, this type of deromanticizing has been going on for a while - Persinger's brain manipulations have crude antecedents in the 1950s, the roaring decade for behaviorism. Back then, Yale physiologist Jose Delgado earned national renown by implanting electrodes into the brains of live animals and attaching them to a "stimoceiver" under the skull. In a technique called ESB - electronic stimulation of the brain - Delgado sent radio signals through the electrodes to control the animal. In one demonstration in the early 1960s, he used his electronic gizmo to halt a charging bull.

Delgado's relatively coarse stunts were a long way from Persinger's quest for the God spot, but Persinger is not the first to theorize that the Creator exists only in the complex landscape of the human noggin. In his controversial 1976 book, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind, Julian Jaynes, a Princeton psychologist, argued that the brain activity of ancient people - those living roughly 3,500 years ago, prior to early evidence of consciousness such as logic, reason, and ethics - would have resembled that of modern schizophrenics. Jaynes maintained that, like schizophrenics, the ancients heard voices, summoned up visions, and lacked the sense of metaphor and individual identity that characterizes a more advanced mind. He said that some of these ancestral synaptic leftovers are buried deep in the modern brain, which would explain many of our present-day sensations of God or spirituality.

Among practicing neuroscientists, there is no overarching consensus on whether such notions are correct. Persinger is certainly out on a frontier where theory meets the boldest sort of speculation, but there's nothing inherently bizarre about his methods or the questions he's asking. William Calvin, a professor of behavioral sciences at the University of Washington in Seattle, says that Persinger's line of inquiry is no more mysterious than another pursuit that intrigues neuroscientists: trying to understand the sensations of déjà vu or its opposite, jamais vu - the feeling, during a familiar routine, that we're doing it for the first time. Maybe these feelings, like God, are just more fritzing in the electricity arcing about our brains.


Persinger arrives soon after St-Pierre has judged me sane enough to enter Room C002B.

"I see that Mr. Cook has been as punctual as usual," he says, extending a hand in greeting. Persinger, 54, blends a crisp, scientific demeanor with a mischievous smile, but overall he's a very serious man. His erect posture is enhanced by a dark, pin-striped, three-piece suit with a gold chain swag at the bottom of the vest. His sentences are clipped and stripped of any vernacular - so painstakingly scientific that they can be coy. For example, he tells me that he is actually an American who "moved to Canada in July of 1969, because I had a rather major ethical disagreement with my government." It takes me a follow-up or two before I realize he had dodged the draft.

As the researchers fit my helmet, I ask: Has anyone ever freaked out in the chair? Persinger smiles slightly and describes when a subject suffered an "adverse experience" and succumbed to an "interpretation that the room was hexed." When I ask if, say, the subject ripped all this equipment from his flesh and ran screaming from the dungeon, Persinger curtly replies: "Yes, his heart rate did go up and he did want to leave and of course he could because that is part of the protocol."

One more time: Has anyone freaked out in the chair? "His EKG was showing that he moved very, very quickly and dramatically," Persinger offers, "and that he was struggling to take off the electrodes."

Technically speaking, what's about to happen is simple. Using his fixed wavelength patterns of electromagnetic fields, Persinger aims to inspire a feeling of a sensed presence - he claims he can also zap you with euphoria, anxiety, fear, even sexual stirring. Each of these electromagnetic patterns is represented by columns of numbers - thousands of them, ranging from 0 to 255 - that denote the increments of output for the computer generating the EM bursts.

Some of the bursts - which Persinger more precisely calls "a series of complex repetitive patterns whose frequency is modified variably over time" - have generated their intended effects with great regularity, the way aspirin causes pain relief. Persinger has started naming them and is creating a sort of EM pharmacological dictionary. The pattern that stimulates a sensed presence is called the Thomas Pulse, named for Persinger's colleague Alex Thomas, who developed it. There's another one called Burst X, which reproduces what Persinger describes as a sensation of "relaxation and pleasantness."

A new one, the Linda Genetic Pulse, is named for my psychometrist, Linda St-Pierre. Persinger says St-Pierre is conducting a massive study on rats to determine the ways in which lengthy exposures to particular electromagnetic pulses can "affect gene expression."

After spending a little time with Persinger, you get accustomed to the fact that his most polite phrases demand pursuit. Affect gene expression? It sounds so simple, but what he's really talking about is stringing together a number of different electromagnetic fields to prompt a complicated chemical reaction on the genetic level - for example, directing the body's natural self-healing instincts.

"We want to enhance what the brain does to help heal the body," Persinger explains. "Among more sensitive individuals, tests show that their skin will turn red if they believe a hot nickel has been placed on their hand. That's a powerful psychosomatic effect of the brain on the body. Suppose we could make it more precise?"

Persinger envisions a series of EM patterns that work the way drugs do. Just as you take an antibiotic and it has a predictable result, you might be exposed to precise EM patterns that would signal the brain to carry out comparable effects.

Another possible application: Hollywood. Persinger has talked to Douglas Trumbull, the special-effects wizard responsible for the look of everything from 2001: A Space Odyssey to Brainstorm. They discussed the technological possibility of marrying Persinger's helmet with virtual reality. "If you've done virtual reality," Persinger says, "then you know that once you put on the helmet, you always know you are inside the helmet. The idea is to create a form of entertainment that is more real." But he adds, sounding like so many people who've gotten a call from the coast, "we haven't cut a deal yet."


I am being withdrawn from my body and set adrift in an infinite existential emptiness.

Soon enough, it's time for the good professor to wish me well and lob this last caveat: "If, for whatever reason, you become frightened or want to end the experiment, just speak into your lapel microphone."

When the door closes and I feel nothing but the weight of the helmet on my head and the Ping-Pong balls on my eyes, I start giving serious thought to what it might be like to "see" God, artificially produced or not. Nietzsche's last sane moment occurred when he saw a carter beating a horse. He beat the carter, hugged the horse while sobbing uncontrollably, and was then carried away. I can imagine that. I see myself having a powerful vision of Jesus, and coming out of the booth wet with tears of humility, wailing for mercy from my personal savior.

Instead, after I adjust to the darkness and the cosmic susurrus of absolute silence, I drift almost at once into a warm bath of oblivion. Something is definitely happening. During the 35-minute experiment, I feel a distinct sense of being withdrawn from the envelope of my body and set adrift in an infinite existential emptiness, a deep sensation of waking slumber. The machines outside the chamber report an uninterrupted alertness on my part. (If the researchers see the easily recognized EEG pattern of sleep, they wake you over the speakers.) Occasionally, I surface to an alpha state where I sort of know where I am, but not quite. This feeling is cool - like being reinserted into my body. Then there's a separation again, of body and soul, and - almost by my will - I happily allow myself to drift back to the surprisingly bearable lightness of oblivion.

In this floating state, several ancient childhood memories are jarred loose. Suddenly, I am sitting with Scott Allen on the rug in his Colonial Street house in Charleston, South Carolina, circa 1965, singing along to "Moon River" and clearly hearing, for the first time since then, Scott's infectiously frenzied laughter. I reexperience the time I spent the night with Doug Appleby and the discomfort I felt at being in a house that was so punctiliously clean. (Doug's dad was a doctor.) I also remember seeing Joanna Jacobs' small and perfect breasts, unholstered beneath the linen gauze of her hippie blouse, circa 1971.

Joanna was my girlfriend when I was 14. When I was sent off to boarding school, she and I recorded cassette tapes to one another. As a teenager, Joanna was a spiritual woman and talked a lot about transcendental meditation. Off at boarding school, I signed up and got my mantra from the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, right around the time Joanna dropped me to move on to a tougher crowd.

If I had to pin down when I felt this dreamy state before - of being in the presence of something divine - it would be back then, in the euphoric, romantic hope that animated my adolescent efforts at meditation. That soothing feeling of near-sleep has always been associ-ated with what I imagined should have happened between Joanna Jacobs and me. Like the boy in James Joyce's The Dead, Joanna was a perfect memory - all the potential of womanly love distilled into the calming mantra-guided drone of fecund rest.

I'm not sure what it says about me that the neural sensation designed to prompt visions of God set loose my ancient feelings about girls. But then, I'm not the first person to conflate God with late-night thoughts of getting laid - read more about it in Saint Augustine, Saint John of the Cross, or Deepak Chopra.


So: Something took place. Still, when the helmet comes off and they shove a questionnaire in my hand, I feel like a failure. One question: Did the red bulb on the wall grow larger or smaller? There was a red bulb on the wall? I hadn't noticed. Many other questions suggest that there were other experiences I should have had, but to be honest, I didn't.

In fact, as transcendental experiences go, on a scale of 1 to 10, Persinger's helmet falls somewhere around, oh, 4. Even though I did have a fairly convincing out-of-body experience, I'm disappointed relative to the great expectations and anxieties I had going in.

It may be that all the preliminary talk about visions just set my rational left hemisphere into highly skeptical overdrive. Setting me up like that - you will experience the presence of God - might have been a mistake. When I bring this up later with Persinger, he tells me that the machine's effects differ among people, depending on their "lability" - Persinger jargon meaning sensitivity or vulnerability.

"Also, you were in a comfortable laboratory," he points out. "You knew nothing could happen to you. What if the same intense experience occurred at 3 in the morning in a bedroom all by yourself? Or you suddenly stalled on an abandoned road at night when you saw a peculiar light and then had that experience? What label would you have placed on it then?"

Point taken. I'd probably be calling Art Bell once a week, alerting the world to the alien invasion.

But then, Persinger continued, being labile is itself a fluctuating condition. There are interior factors that can exacerbate it - stress, fear, injury - and exterior sources that might provoke odd but brief disturbances in the usually stable electromagnetic fields around us. Persinger theorizes, for example, that just prior to earthquakes there are deformations in the natural EM field caused by the intense pressure change in the tectonic plates below. He has published a paper called "The Tectonic Strain Theory as an Explanation for UFO Phenomena," in which he maintains that around the time of an earthquake, changes in the EM field could spark mysterious lights in the sky. A labile observer, in Persinger's view, could easily mistake the luminous display for an alien visit.

As we sit in his office, Persinger argues that other environmental disturbances - ranging from solar flares and meteor showers to oil drilling - probably correlate with visionary claims, including mass religious conversions, ghost lights, and haunted houses. He says that if a region routinely experiences mild earthquakes or other causes of change in the electromagnetic fields, this may explain why the spot becomes known as sacred ground. That would include the Hopi tribe's hallowed lands, Delphi, Mount Fuji, the Black Hills, Lourdes, and the peaks of the Andes, not to mention most of California.

From time to time, a sensed presence can also occur among crowds, Persinger says, thereby giving the divine vision the true legitimacy of a common experience, and making it practically undeniable.

"One classic example was the apparition of Mary over the Coptic Church in Zeitoun, Egypt, in the 1960s," he continues. "This phenomenon lasted off and on for several years. It was seen by thousands of people, and the appearance seemed to precede the disturbances that occurred during the building of the Aswan High Dam. I have multiple examples of reservoirs being built or lakes being filled, and reports of luminous displays and UFO flaps. But Zeitoun was impressive."

Persinger says there were balls of light that moved around the cross atop the church. "They were influenced by the cross, of course. It looked like a circle with a triangle on the bottom. If you had an imagination, it looked like a person. Upside down, by the way, it was the classical UFO pattern. It's curious that this happened during a marked increase in hostilities between Egyptians and Israelis, and both interpreted the phenomenon as proof that they would be successful. It's just so classical of human beings. Take an anomalous event, and one group will interpret it one way, and another group another."

Might it surprise anyone to learn, in view of Persinger's theories, that when Joseph Smith was visited by the angel Moroni before founding Mormonism, and when Charles Taze Russell started the Jehovah's Witnesses, powerful Leonid meteor showers were occurring?

Taken together, Persinger's ideas and published studies go awfully far - he's claiming to identify the primum mobile underlying all the supernatural stories we've developed over the last few thousand years. You might think Christians would be upset that this professor in Sudbury is trying to do with physics what Nietzsche did with metaphysics - kill off God. Or you might think that devout ufologists would denounce him for putting neuroscience on the side of the skeptics.

"Actually, it's more a mind-set that gets disturbed than a particular belief," offers Persinger. "Some Christians say, 'Well, God invented the brain, so of course this is how it would happen.' UFO types say, 'This is good. Now we can tell the fake UFO sightings from the real ones.'"

Oh, I have no doubt. I mean, who among all the churchgoers and alien fiends will let some distant egghead with a souped-up motorcycle helmet spoil their fun? It goes without saying that the human capacity to rationalize around Persinger's theory is far greater than all the replicated studies science could produce. The real tradition Persinger falls into is that of trying to explain away mystical experience. Jaynes thought visitations from God were mere aural detritus from the Stone Age. And just recently, another study suggested that sleep paralysis might account for visions of God and alien abduction.

Who knows? Perhaps mystical visions are in fact nothing more than a bit of squelchy feedback in the temporal lobes. But that's such a preposterously small part of what most people think of when they think of God, it seems insanely grandiose to suggest that anyone has explained away "God." It's almost ironic. Every so often during one of America's little creation-science tempests, some humorless rationalist like Stephen Jay Gould steps forward to say that theology is an inadequate foundation for the study of science. Noted. And vice versa.


But Persinger's ideas are harder to shake off than that. When I return to America, I am greeted by the news that massive intersections of power lines do not, in fact, cause cancer. For years scientists had advanced the power line-cancer connection, based on the results of Robert Liburdy's benchmark 1992 study. But a tip to the federal Office of Research Integrity initiated an investigation of Liburdy's work; it found that his data had been falsified.

Persinger's experiments and resulting theories suggest some new ideas about our waning 20th century, which began with Thomas Edison convincing the world to cocoon itself inside electrically wired shelters, throbbing with pulses of electromagnetic fields. Granted, those fields are quite weak, arguably too tiny to affect our physical bodies in ways Liburdy had suggested. But what about Persinger's notion that such fields may be tinkering with our consciousness?

Is it a coincidence that this century - known as the age of anxiety, a time rife with various hysterias, the era that gave birth to existentialism - is also when we stepped inside an electromagnetic bubble and decided to live there? We have never quite comprehended that we walk about in a sea of mild electromagnetism just as we do air. It is part of our atmosphere, part of the containing bath our consciousness swims in. Now we are altering it, heightening it, condensing it. The bubble is being increasingly shored up with newer, more complicated fields: computers, pagers, cell phones. Every day, entrepreneurs invent more novel ways to seduce us into staying inside this web. The Internet is well named.

Naturally, many people would presume that such a change must be a malignant force when directed at the delicate gossamer of consciousness. Yet evolution is a tricky business. Accidental changes often turn out to be lifesaving preparations for some other condition that could never have been predicted.

A few might see a world of possibility in Persinger's theories. His booth has helped us discover and confirm our true predicament. "Seeing God" is really just a soothing euphemism for the fleeting awareness of ourselves alone in the universe: a look in that existential mirror. The "sensed presence" - now easily generated by a machine pumping our brains with electromagnetic spirituality - is nothing but our exquisite and singular self, at one with the true solitude of our condition, deeply anxious. We're itching to get out of here, to escape this tired old environment with its frayed carpets, blasted furniture, and shabby old God. Time to move on and discover true divinity all over again.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.11/persinger_pr.html

Mind Control Series (Discovery Channel)
(Michael Persinger in it)
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
Dr. Michael Persinger 1994 - YouTube

Get the brain in this state then add some voices throw microwave hearing(v2k) use sound effects,and voice morphing software....

Microwave hearing
from an us army dictionary/thesaurus
US Army’s Combined Arms Center (CAC)
http://usacac.army.mil/cac/overview.asp
Voice to skull devices
http://call.army.mil/products/thesaur/00016275.htm

http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=v2kweaponsvb4.jpg

[synergy777]

once secret service, always secret service. maybe he is a plant to discredit us? and haven't we took the bait?

[thirdwave]

once secret service, always secret service. maybe he is a plant to discredit us? and haven't we took the bait?


my feelings on this are..

Why even bother?

the 9/11 truth movement is not strong enough for them to even risk having people like him go on sky news and talk about relevant issues...on the hope people will turn a blind eye when he "goes mad" .... its still putting attention on something they want people to overlook...

if it was not for people like him speaking out anyway, there would be even less waight behind the truth movement...

so why would they even bother.... I think they want to focus as little as possible on it..... make it a small as they can.... and every now and then when someone pops up with volume they try to assassinate them...whether it be through the press, mind control...or death.....

but i don't think they create truth movement people to deceive.... i think on their part that is playing with fire.

I think IF they do create a false researcher... then they are normally quite easy to see and you can tell them apart from someone who is genuine, and there may also simply be people who mean well but have been lead off track..... I dont think shayler is either... and I don't think he is an actor...

[2013]

That tailor is still making clothes for the emperor must be a family run firm by appointment , easiest way is to assasinate his character to discredit anything he subsequently has 2 say or has said previously .The movie BUG covers this very well guilty by association , link everything in under one psychotic crazy label . does anyone know though anything about the name thing and the anagram whatever ?
:D

[deca]

Recorded from the show "Anarchy on the Airwaves" on 3rd October 2007 at totalrock.com

My recordings start at end of the second hour at 19:55 approx. During the last hour Shayler can be heard on five seperate segments.

Part1:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IBISugflHCo


Part2:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vMCDFdsexVQ


Part3:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zYf87obk4dw


Part4:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t0XxX9BYOKg


Part5:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gkO8K1A_cfs

I only caught the last hour, since I started recording at 19:55

[neutron flux]

"Beware of false prophets"

[synergy777]

its the claridad, narcissitic messiah complex which comes with unlocking mental capabilities, power corrupts, glorifies yourself. its hard to remain compassionate/humble. like they said in spiderman, lol, with great power comes great responsibility. your talents should be used to help humanity/nature etc, not glorify yourself. you should help others to unlock their capabilities, a facillator of change, a teacher of techniques etc.

why not help others, i could do with his help, we all could. this is the acid test, if they have these powers, then will they serve mankind, not rule or exalt themselves, but serve/teach/help others. will they help others to unlock their talents/powers, will they fight the evil elite?

see i know we are all inherently powerful, very powerfiul, but we need to develop ourselves, balance ourselves before we to unlock/use these powers. we must be in inner peace, open, loving, courageous, compassionate, etc. i know there is a source, its scientific/logic, i try to pray, but it don't work for me. maybe i am beyond redemption, outside the grace of the source, too much of a sinner, condemned to perdition, so be it.


however we as individuals have to do what we can to help others. i have so much attitude, allow the source, its just proves he/she is not all nice like his/her pr suggests, lol me, myself and the inner i, me against the world.

[vienna]

thanks for putting those youtube links up - i'm now more convinced than ever that he's been 'got to'

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10970

http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/53391/1191415726/1.gif

[synergy777]

i think when people, have info, or get near the truth the elite have a discrediting campaign. be it elf, surveillance, dirty tricks campaigns etc. this way they shut you up and hence if you do spill the beans, its all viewed as bullshit/unreliable. this is due to the manipulation they have subjected you to. discredit the threat, your neutralise the threat.

wheras if you outsmart them, intellectually defeat them, they and their plebs/profane supporters can go to hell, lol which they duly will. you need self belief, arrogance in a tiny amount, just view them as dimwitted fans who are booing you from the sidelines/terraces, your victory shall be their defeat.

au revoir, peasants, lol

[deca]

thanks for putting those youtube links up - i'm now more convinced than ever that he's been 'got to'
Yep add some

voice morphing
When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

also
voicechanger
http://www.crimebusters911.com/executivevoicechanger.htm
http://www.crimebusters911.com/images/excvoicechang.gif

This Is Your Brain on God
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.11/persinger_pr.html
Michael Persinger EMF`s ....microwaves also have EMF`s...they are part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Beam it at Shayler

also read his thoughts and give him the answers he needs to believe his fantasy's,dulisions or grandioso thinking.

[synergy777]

deca this spot on. after all if they put subliminals in adverts, the extra frame 24/25, they also compress the sound and "could" add in suggestions. have you noticed when you watch tv, the advert soundlevels are higher than the programme, its called compression. if they use this for consumer goods etc, then of course they will use it for this nature of info. it leaves no traces, you just beam and go.

[vienna]

interesting vid which contrasts Shayler on a TV interview panel talking about 911 and then ( remaining 5 minutes ) to him in a park talking about being the messiah

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Jon Ronson & David Shayler - full interview
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[deca]

Episode #001 (Part One) - YouTube

Episode #001 (Part Two) - YouTube


They have fucked him up. you can see it in his glazed eyes.

[heart]

The glazed eyes are down to the huge amounts of drugs he does as is the huge weight loss.

[vienna]

it's telling he's flogging the '2012-we-will-ascent' bulls**t, the favourite of the Mi6 disinformation artists

[heart]

Do you think Jason Bernas is under mind control?

I would just like to apologize for the comment I made to one Abby Scott on September 9th of this past year. I made the MISTAKE of saying that the firefighters were paid off, I did not mean this, and am convinced some sort of Jedi Mind trick was pulled on me.

Hes since retracted that statement and now claims the firefighters are in fear regarding their safety and that of their loved ones.

He does look shit faced (furthest right)

http://www.loosechange911.com/img/schroeder/TEMP-Image_1_6.png

[joss classey]

a deluded man

we have all been sent to save humanity

[joss classey]

mind you i have nothing against him

his intentions are good

and i believe that true love is to allow those who dream and let them take shape

for they are a perfect form

[revelations]

Nice One freespark i like that one! :D
Oh brother...i think they have gotten to this guy. What better way to make conspiracy 'thoerists' all look fucking barmy than to get the guy to confess he's the messiah!!

Jeeeus! :D

[john white]

I'm just listening to part 3 off Deca's list and Shayler is claiming that after 2009 no children will be born as there won't be enough time for the soul to develop before 2012...

Blimey! Very "Children of Men" that claim

[albie]

ROFL!

What a way to discredit yourself. Roll on 2009.