Help with Astral Projection

[pezza19]

Hello guys,

I been reading some books, I've got out before for a few seconds then got pulled back in.

Me and my friend are talking about trying again to get out of our bodies, but I'm a little concerned over negative entities, and something I read on here where it can open a gateway to the other side for them to get to you in the physical.

But i'm kinda thinking we leave our body everynight anyway so why would it be any different besides beign concious instead of unaware your out.

Has anyone tried astral projection, do you have any pointers? Books just seem to be technique and don't give that much reassurance as what a few different minds do on a forum.

Thanks x

Pezza

[hengist]

You may as well forget about it, for you will never achieve it by trying, no matter how hard you try. It is something that happens spontaneously, usually between the no man's land of sleep and waking, as has happened to me on many occasions.
Those few, who can induce it at will, are VERY rare. Either you have it, or you don't. And the vast majority, myself included, don't and never will. Books on "how to", will just leave you feeling frustrated and inadequate, so forget it.

[pezza19]

i've managed it around 3 times on different occassions for around 3 seconds each, my whole body goes numb, then I get vibrations then I go into hypagogic state where images come, and then i make the vibrations feel stronger then i imagine myself being pulled out and see myself infront of myself. Then i fall asleep and I come out, but only for a few seconds this was 1 year ago, I was going through a rough patch and felt negative quite abit so stayed away from astral... nwo I wanna try again and want advice is all there must be others.

[relax]

Hi mate heres a few pages ive found recently as ive been trying myself also, they have techniques and advice which may help.

http://www.5starpsychicadvice.com/How2AstralProject.html

http://oneflynangel.com/astralproject.html

Dont worry about 'negative entities' or any bullshit because you wont project period. The slightest doubt or fear and it wont happen so dwelling on such thoughts will hinder your progress.

I think it was Robert Bruce who said it for some it happens naturally even at a young age and they have it all there life or the first time they try, for some it takes some practice even months so dont give up as im not, you've got further than me by the sounds of it :)

Remember relax (mind & body) good luck and ill see you on the astral :D

[trappedinameatsuit]

Hello guys,

I been reading some books, I've got out before for a few seconds then got pulled back in.

Me and my friend are talking about trying again to get out of our bodies, but I'm a little concerned over negative entities, and something I read on here where it can open a gateway to the other side for them to get to you in the physical.

But i'm kinda thinking we leave our body everynight anyway so why would it be any different besides beign concious instead of unaware your out.

Has anyone tried astral projection, do you have any pointers? Books just seem to be technique and don't give that much reassurance as what a few different minds do on a forum.

Thanks x

Pezza

I use to be afraid and got to a point where I Just said screw it and tried and tried anyway. Sadly I get to the vibrational point of just beginning to exit and it dies down out of getting too excited. I done it so much I got tired of it and just stick to lucid dreaming, hardly do that anymore. Just go for it, 100% no fear. Whatever is holding you back don't think about it, push it out. If you worry about being possessed or something you will be less fearful of that thought having someone with you, or even have a person stay awake while you practice to make sure nothing happens.

[pezza19]

thanks for the links =D

yeh I think there are alot of benefits from it, like learning things and meeting new beings and getting over the whoel death scenario and things, It's just obviously there are negative entities out there, I just wondered if anyone has done astral projection I mean, I ended up outside my window. stood on the grass, I was also just above my body onetime, and another time I was lifting out diagnally, and wanted to see if i was coming out, when i tried to turn I snapped back in.

I wondering why it's called the astral also, because I'm still on the phisical just in my astral body, perhaps there is a way to go to the astral plane?

finally I remember it being like a dream, but much more real however it seems likea blur in my mind now i look back...

[pezza19]

yeh see I get to the point where I actually fall asleep, but it's once I fall asleep I come out... but then once I go back into my body, I snap a wake for a second then go back to sleep.

I'm not great at lucid dreamign but in a morning, my alarm clock goes of every 5 minutes, and I can literally go into about 10 dreams in a row... because I set my alarm clock and cant get up lol... but the dreams control me... I cant grasp them, I also rememebr them at the time then forget

[1776]

yeh see I get to the point where I actually fall asleep, but it's once I fall asleep I come out... but then once I go back into my body, I snap a wake for a second then go back to sleep.

I'm not great at lucid dreamign but in a morning, my alarm clock goes of every 5 minutes, and I can literally go into about 10 dreams in a row... because I set my alarm clock and cant get up lol... but the dreams control me... I cant grasp them, I also rememebr them at the time then forget

Don't lose hope, you're very at the beginning stages where I was a few years ago when I first started experimenting with astral projection "willingly" (I had done it a few times against my will spontaneously going back to age 10).

Lucid dreaming is awesome, do not get me wrong here..... but it is nothing compared to the surreal absolution of astral projection!

You are well on your way... do not give up my friend!

It will happen when you least expect it, believe me...

[pezza19]

Can you give any information on it, what can I learn, where will I be outside my body in my room?, can We speak about getting out ect?

How long can you stay out for now?, where do you go, was it blurry for you are first?

Have you ever met bad spirits?, or good spirits?
can you call upon good spirits?

[relax]

Can you give any information on it, what can I learn, where will I be outside my body in my room?, can We speak about getting out ect?

How long can you stay out for now?, where do you go, was it blurry for you are first?

Have you ever met bad spirits?, or good spirits?
can you call upon good spirits?

Go to youtube search 'coast to coast astral projection' listen to all and enjoy!

[pezza19]

Thanks for the youtube I will definitly check them out.

Somethign scares me... It's just the negaivity, I'm 19 years old, I suppose I'm still fragile when it comes to thinkign of demons and shit... I'm still wary of the dark I question the fear... I try and fight it but I can't I try and mentally block it but it's hard... In bed alone i get myself worked up... my mind seems to go against itself...

[whiterain]

Can you give any information on it, what can I learn, where will I be outside my body in my room?, can We speak about getting out ect?

How long can you stay out for now?, where do you go, was it blurry for you are first?

Have you ever met bad spirits?, or good spirits?
can you call upon good spirits?

in my only experience, at first all i encountered seemed pretty negative to me but mostly through the fear of the unknown. luckily it lasted so long that i eventually thought hey better get used to it, and as soon as that switch in my mind happened, so did the appearance and demeanour of everything around me. its hard to get past the fear but i think as long as your trying then it will happen eventually. just remember its just a dream and that it cant hurt you

[1776]

Thanks for the youtube I will definitly check them out.

Somethign scares me... It's just the negaivity, I'm 19 years old, I suppose I'm still fragile when it comes to thinkign of demons and shit... I'm still wary of the dark I question the fear... I try and fight it but I can't I try and mentally block it but it's hard... In bed alone i get myself worked up... my mind seems to go against itself...

Truth is truth, and reality is reality. Do not let your perception of fear cloud your reality, which is your truth, as to make this experience (astral projection) never happen for you!

The 'Fallen Ones' are real, and it would seem as if they can interact with us physically if they'd like to (but there's not much evidence in the way of this happening to anyone - astrally or not; aside from Biblical reference of them mating with our women, etc.), but I really wouldn't fear this..... for if you do, you can kiss astral projection good-bye, it just won't happen for you in this condition/mind-set...

You must "let go" and just "be".... let the vibrations take you under, and enjoy the ride... ;) be well my friend

[nioz]

I RECOMMAND NOT TO DO OBE OR ASTRAL PROJECTIONS, YOU WILL FUCK YOUR LIFE UP.


this is serious magick and can harm your soul.

[pezza19]

God dam man... I don't see how they can fuck up a soul or whatever, It's comments like this that throw me of an put spanners in the works. Every book I read and majority of stuff I hear all say there no risk of possession no risk of death, no risk of not gettign into your body.

There are demons on the lower levels of course but If your a nice person loving ect and arent interested they cant really get cha kinda thing.

So noiz gimmi some reasons... So would you say dreaming is wrong or so?

[nioz]

God dam man... I don't see how they can fuck up a soul or whatever, It's comments like this that throw me of an put spanners in the works. Every book I read and majority of stuff I hear all say there no risk of possession no risk of death, no risk of not gettign into your body.

There are demons on the lower levels of course but If your a nice person loving ect and arent interested they cant really get cha kinda thing.

So noiz gimmi some reasons... So would you say dreaming is wrong or so?

No dreaming is not wrong.

The soul leaves the body during sleep and goes to a place unknown for us, this is an automated process which you normally don't control and can't remember.

OBE is a form of escaping the place you are supposed to go to when sleeping.
Ofcourse this can happen accidentally, but inducing it yourselve is very risky.
Especially for people who think this is a form of entertaining, they will use it like a party drug.

Believe me or not, don't care really...

[pezza19]

how do you know this though, ?
Have you tried it or do you have experiences with it ?

[unenlightened_waffle]

Hello guys,

I been reading some books, I've got out before for a few seconds then got pulled back in.

Me and my friend are talking about trying again to get out of our bodies, but I'm a little concerned over negative entities, and something I read on here where it can open a gateway to the other side for them to get to you in the physical.

But i'm kinda thinking we leave our body everynight anyway so why would it be any different besides beign concious instead of unaware your out.

Has anyone tried astral projection, do you have any pointers? Books just seem to be technique and don't give that much reassurance as what a few different minds do on a forum.

Thanks x

Pezza

Hey,

Been reading about this recently myself too. I have not managed it but I got close once a couple of months ago but it scared the living crap out of me (great pun!!!) I could feel being pulled away but I had to stop as it was too scary.

I have started trying again the last week or so, not managed it yet but I feel very close and then wake up the next morning. The way I do it (or try as the case may be) is lie flat on my back, remove my pillow and meditate a little while just to clear the mind. Then start feeling the heart beat and attempt to calm it and not notice your breath too much, then try and mentally feel the back of your neck... hopefully you should feel a slight numb and then a tingling sensation slips in you can feel the back on your neck and other parts of your body vibrating. This is as far as I could get though in the last week.

Another trick I use is chanting LA and RA in my head on a consistent basis.

Hope this helps :)

[nectars]

You may as well forget about it, for you will never achieve it by trying, no matter how hard you try. It is something that happens spontaneously, usually between the no man's land of sleep and waking, as has happened to me on many occasions.
Those few, who can induce it at will, are VERY rare. Either you have it, or you don't. And the vast majority, myself included, don't and never will. Books on "how to", will just leave you feeling frustrated and inadequate, so forget it.

Nonsense.

As a side note, you dont have to leave your body to see into the astral, thats just the commonly known method.

I RECOMMAND NOT TO DO OBE OR ASTRAL PROJECTIONS, YOU WILL FUCK YOUR LIFE UP.


this is serious magick and can harm your soul.

You astral travel and/or OBE every night... I see your still here though.

Astral Travel is not "serious" magick and it wont harm your soul unless you intentionally go through with something in the Astral realm that you know fine well beforehand that you shouldnt. I'd recommend you start off by mastering lucid dreaming as a gateway to OBE.

Sent you a PM.

[ricko]

I RECOMMAND NOT TO DO OBE OR ASTRAL PROJECTIONS, YOU WILL FUCK YOUR LIFE UP.


this is serious magick and can harm your soul.

No, sorry mate.

Exiting and re-entering your body revitalizes and repairs the soul, removing any stresses or worries. You can feel exhilerated, euphoric and energetic when back in the body. I was over-joyed. Once I conquered the fear I realised how powerful we are as human souls.

I know this through my own personal experiences.

Ever seen planet earth from space travelling at a hundred times the speed of sound? Try it for yourself and then come here and tell me that I shouldn't leave my body because it's harmful and dangerous.

[pezza19]

Heya guys had a nap earlier, and I managed to realise I was dreaming... I didn't want to OBE but I decided it was a good moment as I hear it's easy to go from dream to OBE.

so I imagined a sword into my hands... and then I started to wake up... because I got excited...

But I didn't wake up instead I told myself I wanted to leave my body and straight away I got a massive vibration through my body, I felt light, and I also got like a distorted audio buzz like static really loud right in my ears.

Well it felt great, until I saw this black blurry shadow in my room, and then I felt a massive weight pushing me and constricting me to my bed, I couldnt move... noway. I managed to get free after what seemed about 10 seconds... I remember feeling like it was sleep paralysis.

I managed to get out and ran into my housemates room... but obv I think this must have been in my astral body...

Now I can draw 3 conclusions from this.

1. I tried to get out of bed with my phisical body but couldnt move because my bodies still hadnt seperated properly.

2. I was in my phisical body I was trying to move mentally and thats why I felt contricted.

3. Bad enitity was contricting me and holding me down with some kind of force.

It felt very real more than real, but it does seem blurry... but I remember the panic of how I couldnt move and a really heavy weight, holding me down so strong.

[pezza19]

I've also in the past had a drownding sensation thsi was a year ago...

Like where I was being pulled out but I was pulling myself back in so It was like a tug of war for my body, I managed to get back in and woke up... But trauma never seems to stay with me... just a vauge real memory...

I' imagine this is some safety mechanism that stops you from curling up in a corner and being like holy shit demons or something

[ricko]

I got a massive vibration through my body, I felt light, and I also got like a distorted audio buzz like static really loud right in my ears.

Well it felt great, until I saw this black blurry shadow in my room, and then I felt a massive weight pushing me and constricting me to my bed, I couldnt move... noway. I managed to get free after what seemed about 10 seconds... I remember feeling like it was sleep paralysis.

Well done. If you get these sensations you are close to OBE exit. The vibrations is your energy body loosening. Any noises or feelings of presence is perfectly normal and expected. I heard what sounded like furniture being dragged around as well as disembodied voices. All you need to do is ignore these distractions and focus on the exit process.

[pezza19]

Hey ricko, any explanation on the constriction... I dunno if it was related ot the black figure... But I just couldnt move I was paralysed... mabye I was tryigng to move my phisical but obviously it wasnt conciouss as my OBE was taking oveR?

have you ever had this feeling of being pinned to the bed. not in a sexual way ;)

[ricko]

Hey ricko, any explanation on the constriction... I dunno if it was related ot the black figure... But I just couldnt move I was paralysed... mabye I was tryigng to move my phisical but obviously it wasnt conciouss as my OBE was taking oveR?

have you ever had this feeling of being pinned to the bed. not in a sexual way ;)

Yes, I've had this happen to me before. They call it the Old Hag Syndrome. (http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa112000a.htm) It's actually more common than you think. It's basically when you wake up during deep sleep and find you cannot move at all (sleep paralysis). It was frightening, I felt the presence of something lurking around and then sitting on my chest preventing me from breathing. I even felt the weight of the thing as it sat on my chest. I shouted 'fuck off!' several times and the thing went away.

I'm not sure whether this is a real entity or not, it may be a hypnagogic hallucination (which I think is more likely). When I told it to "fuck off!" I may have just stopped my mind from hallucinating.

The good thing about waking up during sleep paralysis is that you are in the perfect state to consciously exit your body.

When you exit your body your body must be totally relaxed and still. The slightest movement aborts the process. All you do during this state is literally (with all your might) try and roll out. I used to build up a rocking momentum before I rolled out. It was really good fun. Sometimes you are pulled out at a high speed beyond your control.

One time I was hurled across my room and sent into a bizarre whirlwind type of spin. I can vividly remember flying round and round in a circle as if I was the size of a small point. It was so strange and so fantastic that it literally changed the way I see life today. When the whirlwind thing ended I was able to explore properly.

Sometimes you'll find that you have 360 vision or multiple viewpoints. You can sometimes see yourself looking at something at the same time as you looking at that something!

As far as movement is concerned, you seem to require energy. If you start to lose energy you will become sluggish and almost in a drunken-like state. It can be very challenging sometimes trying to avoid the almost magnetic-like pull your physical body has. I actually had quite a laugh avoiding this!

When you have enough energy you can do a running dive and jump out your window! (Believe me, I've done it!) Flying is perhaps the coolest part about it all really. If you've ever had dreams where you can take huge leaps into the air and fly, you were probably out of your body!

Good luck OBE-ing! :)

[carlo]

Stop talking CRAP - You are no expert on such matters, so don't try and set yourself up as one!!!No dreaming is not wrong.

The soul leaves the body during sleep and goes to a place unknown for us, this is an automated process which you normally don't control and can't remember.

OBE is a form of escaping the place you are supposed to go to when sleeping.
Ofcourse this can happen accidentally, but inducing it yourselve is very risky.
Especially for people who think this is a form of entertaining, they will use it like a party drug.

Believe me or not, don't care really...

[sade]

Going to bed very, very tired is one method. Then be still and stay conscious.
I get the vibrations to come on much more faster when I concentrate on the emotion love.

Also, binaural beats help a lot too. : )

[raven_patronus]

I've also heard of getting vibrations....

I don't know if anyone has heard, but a lot of abductees claim they experience sleep paralysis when they feel there is something else in the room. Maybe it is a halluncination, or maybe an E.T.? Seriously....

Can anyone account for my experience with a crashing sensation when falling asleep? It feels like the entire bed was afloat and then crashed back on the floor. This happens once or twice a year since I was a kid...

Maybe it is my astral body rising up to leave and then goes back in really fast?

[ricko]

I've also heard of getting vibrations....

I don't know if anyone has heard, but a lot of abductees claim they experience sleep paralysis when they feel there is something else in the room. Maybe it is a halluncination, or maybe an E.T.? Seriously....

Can anyone account for my experience with a crashing sensation when falling asleep? It feels like the entire bed was afloat and then crashed back on the floor. This happens once or twice a year since I was a kid...

Maybe it is my astral body rising up to leave and then goes back in really fast?

I get that crashing sensation a lot when I'm over-tired. I suddenly jolt, as if I've fallen on to the bed or fallen off the bed. It may well be astral body re-entering sensations.

Being over-tired is a great way to achieve an easy OBE.

I'm yet to try this sitting down rather than lying down. I heard it's easier as you can simply stand up out your body.

[pezza19]

Ahh this all sounds great,

I just think when you come out of your body your no longer restricted by your eyes so you can see other entities, I'm going to try it sometime like tommorow and get out, in a morning I seen to go in and out of dreaming so I think if I do the technique in amorning mabye i'll get out =D

Everything seems blurry though I just seem to remember the experience but It seems like a dream but more real.

Everything is clouded and blurry, mabye the enviroment will becoem more clear once I get used to my new eyes and experience to to speak.

[1776]

I've also heard of getting vibrations....

I don't know if anyone has heard, but a lot of abductees claim they experience sleep paralysis when they feel there is something else in the room. Maybe it is a halluncination, or maybe an E.T.? Seriously....

Can anyone account for my experience with a crashing sensation when falling asleep? It feels like the entire bed was afloat and then crashed back on the floor. This happens once or twice a year since I was a kid...

Maybe it is my astral body rising up to leave and then goes back in really fast?

This has happened to me on more than one occasion. Each time this has happened it was terrifying, up there with the most frightening experiences I've ever had. I have no explanation for it. Two different times this happened I screamed "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus" (or thought I was being verbal about it, but don't think sound was coming from my physical body because my wife lay next to me in bed and didn't awake any of the times from noise, but my movement alone) and ended up face to face with something, a being/creature that disappeared as quickly as it was met face to face, nose to nose with me! Freaky as all hell..... I'd be a happy man if I never experienced it again! Has this happened to anyone else on the forum? If so, please PM me... I have some questions I'd like to ask you.... thanks

[shellygurrrl]

This has happened to me on more than one occasion. Each time this has happened it was terrifying, up there with the most frightening experiences I've ever had. I have no explanation for it. Two different times this happened I screamed "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus" (or thought I was being verbal about it, but don't think sound was coming from my physical body because my wife lay next to me in bed and didn't awake any of the times from noise, but my movement alone) and ended up face to face with something, a being/creature that disappeared as quickly as it was met face to face, nose to nose with me! Freaky as all hell..... I'd be a happy man if I never experienced it again! Has this happened to anyone else on the forum? If so, please PM me... I have some questions I'd like to ask you.... thanks
I had sleep paralysis once where I woke to see a very skinny hooded figure bent over me at a 90 degree angle. It seemed the thing was trying to pull me from bed but I kept saying (or trying to ) no no no until I regained control of my body. It seemed that my arms were raised in midair - I don't know if they really were. I was alone.

[pezza19]

it's happened around 3 times now,

once i was in bed with girlfriend prob around 4am i'm in a dreamy state arguing with something over in the corner of the room, i think in the end i just shouted fuck of really loud but no sound... but it's weird because it's like i shouted is so so loud like you said... but noone in house was woken.

The 2nd time it was like a fight for my body, although it felt my astral body was being pulled out I can only describe this as a drownding sensation like grabbing at the air like you struggling and twisting and turning.

finally about 3 days ago i had a black figure in my room, with a heavy weight on me. each time I feel fear that seems amplified... but in the morning i'm fine with just a vague but real memory. a blur almost... this seems to make this less traumatic or not even traumatic at all

[mountain]

Here is my own tips posted here --> http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82760

[1776]

it's happened around 3 times now,

once i was in bed with girlfriend prob around 4am i'm in a dreamy state arguing with something over in the corner of the room, i think in the end i just shouted fuck of really loud but no sound... but it's weird because it's like i shouted is so so loud like you said... but noone in house was woken.

The 2nd time it was like a fight for my body, although it felt my astral body was being pulled out I can only describe this as a drownding sensation like grabbing at the air like you struggling and twisting and turning.

finally about 3 days ago i had a black figure in my room, with a heavy weight on me. each time I feel fear that seems amplified... but in the morning i'm fine with just a vague but real memory. a blur almost... this seems to make this less traumatic or not even traumatic at all

I have felt the same sensations as you have! I can totally relate, my friend :) It's good to hear someone explaining exactly as I had felt, without even knowing me or my experience.... were you terrified? Did you feel threatened, like you would be harmed or were being harmed or "taken" out of yourself?

Here's a great guide (albeit short and very blunt) to AP on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVYPOvtiVYs

And here's a YouTube video used to INDUCE AP (pretty cool):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE_w48-hIoU&feature=related

The last video actually worked (to a degree) and I experienced the buzzing vibrations in my head before the ultimate "pop"/release -- it was very short lived but enjoyable. Hope this helps.

[pezza19]

I was a fear I had never felt, peopel say was it a dream... but to me it felt somewhere inbetween a dream and reality. I think the fear seemed more escalated, like a blind rush of panic probably something like hysteria... but it all seems to hit you in a fraction of around 2 seconds when you look back.

I somehow think the body has a defence mechanism that prevents trauma... It somehow shrouds everything and makes it look liek it didnt happen and the memory is a blur and hard to remember even the feelings give everything clarity.

I don't feel threated phisically but I do feel it cant be something nice to make me feel that way... it's kinda just stood there watching me... there waiting lol

[pezza19]

I think that my imagination is quite negative possibly due to the films and games I play. I need to find a way of having beautiful thoughts instead of nasty ones. This has to be the reason i've experienced more of a negatvie feelign toward OBE.

I've managed to get otu of body 4 times for 2 to 3 seconds each time, but when I look back it's a blur, I'm gonna try and get out possibly later today or tommorow I'll post updates.

It would be cool if we could all exchange experiences liek we are doing

[1776]

I think that my imagination is quite negative possibly due to the films and games I play. I need to find a way of having beautiful thoughts instead of nasty ones. This has to be the reason i've experienced more of a negatvie feelign toward OBE.

I've managed to get otu of body 4 times for 2 to 3 seconds each time, but when I look back it's a blur, I'm gonna try and get out possibly later today or tommorow I'll post updates.

It would be cool if we could all exchange experiences liek we are doing

I have similar experiences (just now like 10 min ago while sitting on my sofa trying to project myself) where my heart started pounding... I mean POUNDING out of my chest as I was coming out.... then the colors started taking shape in my minds eye, and I saw what appeared to be a tunnel..... so I tried to control my breathing better to drop my heart rate and remain calm so as not to deter my exit.... but it was very short-lived and I came out of it in what seemed like minutes in hindsight.... intense!

How do you all overcome the "fear" and remain calm at the moment when your heart is racing, etc.?

I used this for my recent projection today (its different from the fist one I posted):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c21d-aJHyzc

[redbull]

Hi There all,

I felt compelled to sign up and post a reply to this topic. Mainly because my experiences are so close to the orginal poster its unreal.

Since the age of about 15 I have be plagued with these experiences on pretty much a weekly basis and its not untill yesterday I have finally found out what I am experencing. I just wanna start by saying thank you so much Pezza for making this thread as it feels like a huge weight has been lifted from me.

My story.

So as mentioned, when I was about 15 years old I had my first 'Astral Projection' (Well i think it was anyway) in which I was in a school playground at what seemed to be late at night (it was very dark). There were a group of children in a circle in the middle of the playground singing something like 'ring around the roses' and skipping in the circle. Although it all felt so real I knew something was not right, it felt very sinaster and I knew something bad was going to happen. From behing the children a I could see a black blurry figure (darker thank the sky) in between the faces of the kids... It was almost dancing around - to me it was one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen, pure evil. Suddenly, gripped by pure fear, a static like noise began to sound in my ears very loudly so I realised I was in a dream. With my eyes still closed I felt my whole (real) body shaking very violently as if I was having a fit. The noise got louder and louder - I heard voices as well untill it climaxed and stopped. I was so scared it took me ages to open my eyes but when I did I was covered in sweat and too scared to go back to sleep.

Ever since that night I have had many of me and my identical twin brother called 'Night fits' and have seen that same black figure numerous times (although not in a couple of years). The craziest thing is my twin has also seen this 'entity' in his 'dreams' which i guess is because we're linked somehow. (theres plenty more stories where me and my twin brother have had the same profound dreams/experiences etc)

Whenever I goto sleep at night its not uncommen for me to feel vibrations coming out through my body followed by voices REALLY loud in my ears and just generally feel disoriented. I ALWAYS try and stop them because I am terrified but my twin brother, who also gets this tell me not to be afraid and to let it take over. He says he has had whats called 'lucid dreams' where he is aware that he is dreaming and has walked around his room. So the other night I felt the vibrations and heared the voices of a female (couldnt make out what it was saying) although scared,let it take over... untill i saw what i can describe as a checkerd pattern unfolding which was turning into like a virtual square room but then I saw a face appear and got so scared it just stopped and i became conscious.

Unlike most of you I do not want to encourage these experiences but I would like to thank you all for making me aware of what they are and that im not alone/crazy.

[mauviene]

This is such a shaky topic I'm finding out. Yea the fear is going to hold you back I can tell you because I am in the same bout as you..I don't fear negative entities but I simply fear seeing some crazy shit lol!

There is no doubt you have to let go of attachments to this plane to be able to experience a projection. I think most authors on the subject don't really mention this which is why people are still looking for methods!

[redbull]

Hey, thanks for the reply. Im all for an out of body experience at some point in my life, the thing I hate is the way I begin to vibrate and hear things i dont want to hear wthout any choice on a regular basis... Like last night I just wanted to sleep... but within about 10 minutes of dozing in and out of consciouness I heard the static and began to vibrate on a really slow beat-bit like going backwards and forwards slowly. Tried to stop it and go back to sleep. next thing i know I open my eyes (well I thought I did) and i was about a foot above my bed looking at my duvet. So i opened my eyes for a second time and there I was back to normal looking in the opposite direction. took me a few seconds to adjust and it wasn't plesant. I guess I should sleep less

[pezza19]

I've been too tired to even consider astral projection at the moment.
If you are drunk then it can kill astral projection.

If you sleep too much then usually you shouldnt be tired enough to project, but I could be wrong... I know that if your too tired, your mind just wont stay awake and you will just go into deep sleep, I'm hitting about 6 hours a night... If your hitting about 8 -9 hours then I'd imagine you astral wouldnt be affected and you would go into astral quite easy...

I'm in two minds about astral projection, Fear is just created by the self and it's all about mind over matter. You create what you think, your mind can become a weapon against the self.

Once you have felt this fear... of the figures and such, once you go into astral you remembert he fear and straight away put yourself in that situation again... I'm trying to find a work around...

It's a gift to humans to do this, it's part of what we are, but noone talks about it nearly enough, majority of people are soo caught up in life they don't contemplate the other side so to speak...

Now the worst thing a human could imagine is death, but death is just astral projection permenantly... until you re incarnate again...

But I started thinking what if the soul is captured or trapped... is it possible, how can we understand about something so unknown to us...

Update: Realistically we are trapped now! in these phisical bodies in this prison!, astral projection and the astral realms should actualyl be more homely than this 3d reality plane.
We have obviously forgot what we once were, I'd imagine it to be formless something like pure energy. So what is really to be afraid of... the only thing to be afraid of is the self.
once the ego I suppose is conquered you need to be your own master ehehehe.


These entities, know we are vunerable, they are like a shark in the sea they are top dog, they are evil, they are just negative energy... I think that they can be overcome but because we are out of our comfort zone.

We are beings that can show amazing love and pure intent... We are beings of light and we control what we create, we just don't realise it.

Fear and panic take over me, and I become helpless, but I need to tell myself I'm safe and I am love, I am Light I am a part of the creation of all we are eternal. I need to be strong and stand firmly on the other side...

You need to fight your mind i think =D

[justin_pushka]

Heres some astral projection tips:

Get some black out blindfolds so you can get total darkness. Theres some cool ones called mindfold if you google it.

Get some orgonite to get more positive energy in the room you are working in.

Try alternate nostril breathing. This is done by blocking off the airways and can be done by forming the illuminati hand sign. ie index finger on forhead then use thumb and little finger to close off the airways. breathe up through right nostril then out throught left then up through left and down through right.

Roll up some fresh leaves from salvia divorum and place under the tongue.

try it around 3-4 am when the brain makes its own dmt.

A combination of these should get you out into the 5th.

[j35p3r4d0]

you need not be asleep, or in any other form of subconciousness. You only need to be immersed enough in the perception, and the perceptual freedom is all that's really required:

Foster your imaginative and chorespondant abilities, your mind will take you the rest of the way if you integrate what you are considering, you must grasp your experience in its furthest extends

[pezza19]

By 5th do you mean the 5th level?

1 and 2 being negative
3 being the ghost world matched to the phisical
4 and 5 being higher middle?!?!

then theres the 2 higher ones right?

I'm looking to have a wander around the 3rd level at first, but It seems negatives can walk around the 3rd level also.

I don't wanna use salvia but I know it' strong stuff.


It's a cool concept to come out of your body while awake but I'm nowhere near that stage yet... =D

can you expand on it? I've been meditating to try and open the 3rd eye doing some throat friction and chanting to stimulate the laryx.

Thanks peace x

[nectars]

Heres some astral projection tips:


Heres another couple for both lucid dreaming and astral projection.

When you begin you'll get the urge to roll over(If lying down) or move -dont! This is your body testing to see if your mind is asleep. After this it may test you with itching or twitching -ignore it.

Memorise a familiar place as a destination point to AT to, as it can make it easier to exit.

[deathbeast]

Hello guys,

I been reading some books, I've got out before for a few seconds then got pulled back in.

Me and my friend are talking about trying again to get out of our bodies, but I'm a little concerned over negative entities, and something I read on here where it can open a gateway to the other side for them to get to you in the physical.

But i'm kinda thinking we leave our body everynight anyway so why would it be any different besides beign concious instead of unaware your out.

Has anyone tried astral projection, do you have any pointers? Books just seem to be technique and don't give that much reassurance as what a few different minds do on a forum.

Thanks x

Pezza

Pezza,

"You may as well forget about it"
this type of comment, does not help. I am aware that it was given with the best of intentions and i dont want to ofend the poster. Astral Projection, like every other form of spiritual growth, takes time and above all hard work. some people are gifted with a natural ability to "leave their body" with some it takes a trauma that forces them to leave their body, the rest of us have to work at it. i would advice that you find a way that works best for you, take studying for a test as an example, the way your best friend studies works for im it might not work for you. try a few different methods the best one for you will feel the most natural.

[vimsta]

Im really getting into this right now, I have no fear of demons etc, Ive read a lot about this and convinced its safe to do.

I tried to do it properly two nights ago, and its possible Ive done it without realising it many years back. I remember one time I woke up in a dream, then noticed I really wasnt awake, then tried to wake up again...if that makes any sense.

Anyways, this is how far I got this week:

- Breathed deeply, in and out through my nose for 10 mins
- Cleared my mined at the same time
- Kept my eyes closed

Now what I saw in my eyes I need to verify is similar to others. I saw electrical lines, like lighting strikes for a while, then blob's of purple appearing. I think I saw a faint outline of a face move across. Then I thing there was a tunnel forming at the top of my eye, at the same time as this my left hand went numb (I was laying on my back, with both my hands on top of my chest)

So my question to others is, did I get close to astral?

I know I have a long way to go, I hope my post is useful to others trying it.

[pipsicle]

Heres another couple for both lucid dreaming and astral projection.

When you begin you'll get the urge to roll over(If lying down) or move -dont! This is your body testing to see if your mind is asleep. After this it may test you with itching or twitching -ignore it.

Memorise a familiar place as a destination point to AT to, as it can make it easier to exit.

I thought you were supposed to roll over in order to exit (just what I've heard as I've never done it)?

[pezza19]

Ok I havent had chance to do it I've been really tired lately but soon I think.

Basically the body checks to see if the mind is still awake by doing things like rapid eye movement, twitches, and axiety to roll over ot move.

You have to ignore your bodies shut down mechanism, and trick your mind into thinking you've switched yourself off.


You basically lie down and go through your body parts, lay down comfortably, preferabbly on your back with hands down by your sides.

Clear your mind and have the intention of leaving the body, after around 10 minutes of relaxation or muscles and staying still, you will become numb and realise you cant feel your body, this means your relaxed.

The next steps, are imagining another body infront of you and having the intetion of coming out, I find I don't have to visualise, I just remember the feeling and can reinact it in my mind.

It's kind of like a falling floating feeling a lightness that comes over, and tingling vibration all over the body.

I find that trying to feel as though the soul/spirit/conciousness is a seperate entity to the body. I am not a phisical being I am that conciousness, I am free and have no bounds , feel yourself as energy as opposed to feeling yourself as phisical matter,

the vibrations will build and you will eventually start to feel like yoru coming out.

Thats all I usually get to.

[chateaux]

yes happens with me all about becoming used to the idea... once you are used to it, it will happen from time to time.