Michael Tsarion Atlantis Book [Archive] - David Icke's Official Forums

joss classey

05-09-2007, 11:20 PM

I am currently reading this book and it is completely blowing me away.

It is backing up absolutely everything that Icke talks about. Yes that's right, even all the reptilian stuff! Which I am now being won round to with the ridiculous amount of evidence being displayed to me.

I seriously recommend you order the book or download it or something. It is fast becoming my biblical resource for historical evidence and theoretical arguments.

http://www.taroscopes.com/products/atlantisbook.html

Table of Contents

I. From the End of Heaven
II. Earth's First Deluge
III. Old World Disorder
IV. Lemuria and "Homo Atlantis"
V. The Race of Adam
VI. The World Falls Dead
VII. Records of Blood and Stone
VIII. I Shall Reverse the World
IX. Reptilians, Priestesses and Strange Genes
X. What Goes on in the Bible
XI. This Place is Terrible!
XII. Stargate and Quarantine
XIII. The Living Macroscope
XIV. Silicon Nightmares
XV. Their Satanic Majesty's Request
XVI. Serpents in the Streets
XVII. From the Sword to the Syringe
XVIII. Lambs to the Slaughter
XIV. Doodles in the Crops
XV. What Planet Are You From?
XVI. Our Future in the Stars?

Epilogue - Time to Change the Road You're On

Appendices

A. The Minstrels Speak. (Like the ancient oracles, modern musicians eloquently comment on human nature and the condition of the world).

B. Abstracts from the following books:

Mankind- Child of the Stars
When the Earth Nearly Died
Shattering The Myths of Darwinism
Humanity's Extraterrestrial Origins
Sky People
Men Among Mankind
Temple of the Stars
Destruction of Atlantis
Atlantis - the Antediluvian Continent
Atlantis - the Eighth Continent
World of the Odd and the Awesome
Return of the Serpents of Wisdom
Past Shock
Flying Dragons and Serpents
Genesis of the Grail Kings
Gods of Eden
Astronomical Observations
The Priesthood of the Illes
Secret Architecture of our Nation's Capitol
The Middle Ages Revisited
One Foot in Atlantis
Britain - The Key to World History
Matrix II
The Master Chronology

C. Suggested areas for further research

D. Scientific Evidence

E. Dragons and Serpents

F. The Master Chronology of Valdamar Valerian

astraltraveller

05-09-2007, 11:43 PM

Dear Joss

you are the first person on the forum who i have ever seen speak of just how amaizing micheal tsarion is , he is indeed awsome with his historical knowledge wich makes so much sense and personaly to me has given me a lot of grounding as to who i am and were i come from and i understand my self worth and his works combined with the wisdom of david icke and credo mutwas teaching all fits together nicely for me and are all complimentary in regards to letting me know my roots and who i and the whole of the human race are spiritualy and just how powerfull we realy are and i cant help wondering how powerfull we would all have been long ago or now if it were not for the genetic manipulation .

clipwip

05-09-2007, 11:47 PM

thirdwave

06-09-2007, 12:03 AM

I really like Tasrion. He does compliment ickes stuff, but he goes more into the really historical side... Atlantis so on....

well worth a read... he has loads of streams from his website, go check them out...

mahabaratara

06-09-2007, 12:07 AM

premasai

06-09-2007, 12:07 AM

thirdwave

06-09-2007, 12:08 AM

Yeah, that's a great book. I'm almost finished with it--currently on the Appendices. A bit lacking in "sourcing." I find myself asking, "how the fuck do you know this?" quite a bit. Like much stuff of this nature, you must take it with a few bottles of salt. "Suspension of disbelief" I suppose.

TBH allot of it is what Stitchen went into and it does all come from genuine texts..including Genesis.... and it is a fact that the church burnt many manuscripts and texts...so on.... he has just done a good job and piecing it all together..

there has been 1 or 2 things people have picked at and claimed to have debunk but sometimes because someone may have been ill informed along the line of got something a little wrong... it does not mean all their work is wrong.... its a difficult field to research... and I find normally when you find some good stuff you know about it because it does make sense and it does rase questions...

joss classey

06-09-2007, 12:08 AM

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 12:16 AM

thirdwave

06-09-2007, 12:21 AM

Well he claims he knows sidereal astrology...Thats has an Origin...

I once asked him simply where he learnt it and he had a right hissy fit...

I am not knocking him...Just didnt understand thats all I guess...:)

while I agree that he was very rude to you and went ott, I get the impression he had some kind of problem with that whole forum... not sure if somehow he knew you were a poster there... but when he ranted on, he did seem to direct his anger at the whole forum... and looking back at some of those posters and what they were posting about him I cant blame him for letting it rip their... it was quite funny actually :)

joss classey

06-09-2007, 12:25 AM

he is 'only human' after all

mahabaratara

06-09-2007, 12:25 AM

It was funny looking back it at now...

I have learned to fully look as far as is possible into things then make my own mind up...

Best way...

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 12:36 AM

he is a human who sells and you are humans who buy :)

iro_

06-09-2007, 12:42 AM

he also takes his copyright very seriously ;)

joss classey

06-09-2007, 12:47 AM

why the focus on the individual?

why must we support division over thinking?

fuck that

joss classey

06-09-2007, 12:48 AM

he is a human who sells and you are humans who buy :)

bigus_dickus_indeedus

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 12:51 AM

bigus_dickus_indeedus

weak...

at least i know what i am talking about.

joss classey

06-09-2007, 12:53 AM

weak...

at least i know what i am talking about.

ok sure

but there's no need to be a twat about it

i'm the fool who spent his money on a book. woe is me

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 12:55 AM

i'm the fool who spent his money on a book. woe is me

great, now i am a twat for exposing him... at least i didn't call you anything, you did :)

joss classey

06-09-2007, 12:59 AM

great, now i am a twat for exposing him... at least i didn't call you anything, you did :)

how are you exposing him?

icke charges for his books. icke charges for his webcasts.

people need money to survive you know.

joss classey

06-09-2007, 01:00 AM

and you're not a twat for 'exposing him' rather that you are trying to elivate yourself above me for some trivial reason

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 01:03 AM

and you're not a twat for 'exposing him' rather that you are trying to elivate yourself above me for some trivial reason

i am no one to elevate myself above you. i don't sell books, dude, i am anonymous.

you want to believe tsarion? go ahead, don't believe me. why should i care about you anyway?

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 01:06 AM

how are you exposing him?

small example from one of his videos that i saw yesterday.

he said that the word "genesis" comes from the genes of Isis.

that's utter bollocks!

but you can believe that genesis comes from the genes of Isis if you want, no prob.

joss classey

06-09-2007, 01:06 AM

i am no one to elevate myself above you. i don't sell books, dude, i am anonymous.

you want to believe tsarion? go ahead, don't believe me. why should i care about you anyway?

sorry

what am i supposed to be believing in?

and why should you care about me?

you should care about me because i am a fellow human being.

if i'm being honest, i'm really quite confused as to why you're jumping on me about this.

please detail what you believe in. then we can be settled on the matter

joss classey

06-09-2007, 01:08 AM

small example from one of his videos that i saw yesterday.

he said that the word "genesis" comes from the genes of Isis.

that's utter bollocks!

but you can believe that genesis comes from the genes of Isis if you want, no prob.

well i would have to say that you are pretty naive to assume that i would believe EVERYTHING that the man says. nobody is perfect. we all make mistakes. you can't completely disregard all his years of research based on a few mistakes.

joss classey

06-09-2007, 01:09 AM

fuck this actually

i'm not going to defend him or his work

you're right. it's all bollocks

let's go to bed

joss classey

06-09-2007, 01:10 AM

not to bed in the sexual sense...

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 01:10 AM

you should care about me because i am a fellow human being.

what do you think i am doing by telling you all this? elevating myself? i am no one!

if i'm being honest, i'm really quite confused as to why you're jumping on me about this.

what makes you think i am jumping on you?

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 01:10 AM

well i would have to say that you are pretty naive to assume that i would believe EVERYTHING that the man says. nobody is perfect. we all make mistakes. you can't completely disregard all his years of research based on a few mistakes.

he makes many mistakes. i mean MANY MISTAKES.

joss classey

06-09-2007, 01:15 AM

he makes many mistakes. i mean MANY MISTAKES.

have you read the book?

uchiha

06-09-2007, 01:22 AM

he always seemed to me like he didnt know much

it seems that book is just oozing with details and history.

However, if you want to be a dick about it; just ask yourself.

"uhhh WHERE is he coming up with this stuff"

I havent read the book (i would like to) but from what i have seen here it just seems like hes writing Novels without any kind of factual database
Just HIS versions

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 01:23 AM

have you read the book?

yes and i have seen his videos too and i have listened to many of his interviews.

he tells some truth and some exciting stuff, but that's mostly to get your attention. the 'real' stuff comes later when he pushes his merchandise.

as others have said, take what you please from him.

i am not against tsarion or anyone, i am just telling you that either he lies a lot, or he believes in lies. most of his work is only about pushing his tarot readings.

yeiayel

06-09-2007, 01:24 AM

Just download and print the book, it'is on line
Must login to download. it's free.

http://undergroundsatellite.net/.Speakers/Michael%20Tsarion

john white

06-09-2007, 01:31 AM

As far as Tsarions mythological weavings go, their fun ideas, and as useful as any mythology ever is

As far as the accuracy of some of his research goes, well thats more fool whoever doesnt check things for themselves: and the bigger fool who ever thinks there is one "right" answer

As far as his psychological insights goes, his work is invaluable and must be checked out, tsarion makes a lot of material understandable and accessable

So I'd rather have a world with Tsarion than a world without

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 02:36 AM

As far as the accuracy of some of his research goes, well thats more fool whoever doesnt check things for themselves: and the bigger fool who ever thinks there is one "right" answer

there is no right and wrong regarding etymology of words. there is the true meaning and whatever-you-want-to-make-it meaning. his etymological assertions, especially regarding Greek words (i assume other languages too) are peremptory and false. my mother language is Greek and i have a good knowledge of my language, i am not making any false assumptions here, he really doesn't know any Greek. some of his explanations are outrageous, i just quickly went through a few pages and found more than 20 mistakes.

anyway, i just got myself tired again for no reason.

mk72

06-09-2007, 07:53 AM

Bigus you truly are a Dick sometimes.
http://vpn.cmlan.co.za/upload/mk72/10_4_4v%5b1%5d.gif

I for one I am thankful for this man’s contribution!!! We have amazing people around the world speaking up, people who understand what we go through being the outsiders, people who know what we knew all along, they work hard on our behalf to educate and inform us and keep our eyes and ears open. I am grateful to Michael Tsarion, David Icke, Freeman Fly, John Maxwell, Jeff Rense – they are not fools running around shouting at the heavens – they are intelligent well educated and exceptional people and experts in their field. We need them all!!! And if I disagree with them I will not burn them as heretics because my perception is different from theirs. He his filling a gap in the conspiracy world and his unique theories are exactly what I was looking for.
I’m at his second dvd in his series Origins and Oracles and so far I’m impressed, I can highly recommend his work. He’s knowledge is covering a very wide field in the conspiracy arena. If you look at his bio you can see he is not falling out of the sky out of nowhere, he’s been at it for most of his life.
Do yourself a favor and listen to these good pod casts:
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2006/04apr/20060413.html
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2006/06jun/20060622.html
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2007/02feb/RICR-070218-SUB.php
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2006/12dec/RICR-061221.html
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2007/01jan/RICR-070118.html
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2007/02feb/RICR-070215.html
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2007/08aug/RICR-070802.html
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2006/07jul/RIRS-060706.html
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2006/07jul/RIRS-060713.html
and more here: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/regulars/mtsarion.html
as far as I know most are free.
http://www.the7thfire.com/Human_Origins/Michael_Tsarion/
The google video – Future of mankind is very good if you have not seen or read his work to get an idea of what he focuses on.

His BIO:
Described as a teacher's teacher, Michael Tsarion is a Divination Scholar and Sidereal Mythologist. An expert on Stellar Astrology, he is the creator of the Archetypal Stellar Taroscopic© Astrological system of Hermetic Divination, and founder of the online Taroscopic Mystery School. Michael is a descendant of a long line of philosophers, free-thinkers, ascetics and visionaries. His Himalayan born mother was a well-loved, internationally recognized clairvoyant, whose affiliates included Barbara Marx Hubbard, Sir George Trevelyan, Jerry Jampolsky, Elizabeth Kubla-Ross, Shirley MacLean, Edgar Mitchell and a host of other celebrities and academes. She attended J. Krishnamurti’s premier college in India and was later honored as the very first clairvoyant to be a regular on Irish Television. The CEO of Britain’s Independent Broadcasting described her readings as “devastatingly accurate.”
Michael is also the grandson of Tara Singh, the renowned philosopher, author and teacher of the theosophic tome A Course in Miracles. He was the intimate friend of J. Krishnamurti (the World Teacher), Swiss architect Le Corbusier, Keith Critchlow, Alan Chadwick, Eleanor Roosevelt and President Nehru. He was entrusted, by the latter, with India’s 5-year plan of restoration after British withdrawal. Tara Singh was also played a key role in the Rev. Paul Solomon’s Fellowship of Inner Light, one of the first true American mystery schools. He now heads the Foundation for Life Action in Los Angeles.
Michael was born and raised in Ireland and grew up learning metaphysics from Krishnamurti, Rev. Paul Solomon and Peter Balin. Growing up surrounded by leading free-thinkers and mystery school creators he was under pressure to find his own authentic voice rather than becoming dependant on the systems and influences of others. He has honored his pedigree by dedicating his life to the deepest research concerning the seminal metaphysical sciences. And unlike so many, he believes in honoring the work and the names of his mentors. He takes it as a given, the words of Lord Macauly:
A people which takes no pride in the noble achievements of remote ancestors will never achieve anything worthy to be remembered with pride by remote descendants.
Intuitive since birth, he was introduced to the Tarot at age 11 through Rev. Paul Solomon’s premier mystery school - the Fellowship of Inner Light Movement and learning of its profound effect on the human intuition and its value as an empowerment tool, committed his life to bringing Tarot into the lives of others.
He has taught indigo children at the New Age Academy in Berkeley and is frequent guest of Seeing Beyond and KEST, the Bay Area's leading metaphysical radio programs. He has appeared on The Quest with Peter Weisbach, on Seattle's Conspiracy Corner, on Dr. Stan Monteith's Radio Liberty, on Radio Alchemy, KKUP and The Hilly Rose Show, and made five hour-long programs with Bay Area's KMVT. He has been a guest speaker at the Boeing Parapsychological Society and at the UFO/Paranormal conferences of California and Washington where his presentations and lectures on Atlantis and pre-diluvian history, have been passionately acclaimed by veterans in the field, such as Jordan Maxwell, Lloyd Pye, Dr. Roger Leir, Peter Davenport, Robert Perala, and Glenn Kimball, etc,. His book, Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation seeks to correct the plethora of disinformation regarding Atlantis and the pre-diluvian epochs and addresses the exact reasons why human beings are finding themselves, existentially and socially, in the present precarious situation. Along with Jordan Maxwell, Michael has been a contributor of information to researcher and author David Icke.
Michael's articles on metaphysics, etc., are featured in his The High Window column of the Psychic Reader, the official organ of the Berkeley Psychic Institute in California.
Michael gives outstanding workshops, presentations and classes on The Western Magical Tradition, Astro-Theology, Ancient Civilizations, Goddess Tradition, Symbol Literacy, Indigo Children, Psychic Vampirism, Secret Societies and on the Subversive Use of Sacred Symbolism in the Media.
Michael's biography can be found at http://www.taroscopes.com/personalpages/whosismichael.html

limelady

06-09-2007, 08:14 AM

heretic

06-09-2007, 08:33 AM

Watch out on this thread folks.

thirdwave

06-09-2007, 10:06 AM

he also takes his copyright very seriously ;)

many of them do..... at the end of the day money is the root of all evils.

we are forced to act like animals when it comes to money... all of us, because we make it that way due to our lack of trust and morals...which is of course triggered by fear.

and I am pretty confident that any researcher who appears to not be bothered about their copyright, is simply making lots of money, even if its in other fields...

that being said, there are lots of free video streams on his website that are very long and informative.

thirdwave

06-09-2007, 10:11 AM

thirdwave

06-09-2007, 10:19 AM

some of his explanations are outrageous, .

this is interesting, I trust you have some strong info to mirror these outrageous explanations?

its amazing how "mystery" seems to over ride "theory" everytime...its like even if certain things dont make sense, are totally crazy and the only explanation is a complete "mystery", they are still viewed as reality and the solid foundation of our lives.... and when something is brought in that although sounds "crazy" actually explain the REAL crazy shit thats all around us... it is viewed by many as "outrageous"

its amazing that when you talk about ETE coming to earth throughout our history, people laugh it off, yet pretty much every religion speaks of people from the stars...with extra abilities.... lights.... and viewed them as gods of worship..... to the people who laugh this off, to them its more realistic that all these religions came from thin air and they were all just bored back then and just happened to all share the same fashion of making things up about people coming down from the sky, than the realization that there has been ETE visitation and manipulation on this planet and as a race we may still be vulnerable!.

thats outrageous!

limelady

06-09-2007, 10:35 AM

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 10:59 AM

this is interesting, I trust you have some strong info to mirror these outrageous explanations?

of course i do.

its amazing how "mystery" seems to over ride "theory" everytime...its like even if certain things dont make sense, are totally crazy and the only explanation is a complete "mystery", they are still viewed as reality and the solid foundation of our lives.... and when something is brought in that although sounds "crazy" actually explain the REAL crazy shit thats all around us... it is viewed by many as "outrageous"

its amazing that when you talk about ETE coming to earth throughout our history, people laugh it off, yet pretty much every religion speaks of people from the stars...with extra abilities.... lights.... and viewed them as gods of worship..... to the people who laugh this off, to them its more realistic that all these religions came from thin air and they were all just bored back then and just happened to all share the same fashion of making things up about people coming down from the sky, than the realization that there has been ETE visitation and manipulation on this planet and as a race we may still be vulnerable!.

thats outrageous!

you are missing the point. i have not said that alien visitation is "outrageous". that's your own assumption. nor that the subjects he is talking about are "crazy" or whatever. i have read lots of science fiction stories that would seem crazy and outrageous and i can make up new theories myself with the ease that he does. that's not the point.

the point all along has been that there is a hidden agenda behind all this and a great deal of disinformation.

for example: he says that this guys name was yada which means (inserts a totally false meaning that he made up), therefore his purpose was to blah blah and this parallels with this other myth that says blah blah.

and what's left in the end, is that magic is cool and that people should start looking into it to find the truth and of course buy his DVD pack that is filled with this nonsense.

that's my opinion and if i am a DICK for saying it, so be it. i am not going to waste more time with this ...divination scholar. it's your money after all, not mine.

thirdwave

06-09-2007, 11:25 AM

of course i do.

well I have seen his, not yours, so cant argue, but until I see it I cant really agree with you.

you are missing the point. i have not said that alien visitation is "outrageous". that's your own assumption.

that point was just a general point, not an assumption... most people do think that is it ridiculous... i was likening it to your views on him...

let me explain more...

you have said much of his work is "outrageous", I am pointing out that in order for it to be outrageous there must be some clear tangible evidence to declare his work as outrageous... but so far you have not offered any.... for example..

you have said that his belief that "genesis" came from the words "genes of Isis" is "utter bollocks" ....

I am merely asking for something other than your view... as to me, although I am not %100 certain that this is true, it is very believable and I am happy to except his theory or at least keep an open mind to it...

Where did the word "genesis" come from?

joss classey

06-09-2007, 12:00 PM

thirdwave, i think your sig says it all

"But Morpheus everyone doesn't believe as you." ..... "MY BELIEF DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM TO."

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 12:03 PM

you have said much of his work is "outrageous", I am pointing out that in order for it to be outrageous there must be some clear tangible evidence to declare his work as outrageous... but so far you have not offered any.... for example..

this here is exactly what i said: some of his explanations are outrageous, i just quickly went through a few pages and found more than 20 mistakes.

you have said that his belief that "genesis" came from the words "genes of Isis" is "utter bollocks" ....

I am merely asking for something other than your view... as to me, although I am not %100 certain that this is true, it is very believable and I am happy to except his theory or at least keep an open mind to it...

Where did the word "genesis" come from?

sure.

it is a Greek word, written γέννεσις.

etymology from etymonline.com:

genesis
O.E., from L. genesis, adopted as title of first book of Old Testament in Vulgate, from Gk. genesis "origin, creation, generation," from gignesthai "to be born," related to genos "race, birth, descent" (see genus). As such, it translated Heb. bereshith, lit. "in the beginning," which was the first word of the text, taken in error as its title. Extended sense of "origin, creation" first recorded in Eng. 1604.

genus
(pl. genera), 1551 as a term of logic (biological sense dates from 1608), from L. genus (gen. generis) "race, stock, kind," cognate with Gk. genos "race, kind," and gonos "birth, offspring, stock," from PIE base *gen-/*gon-/*gn- "produce, beget, be born" (cf. Skt. janati "begets, bears," janah "race," jatah "born;" Avestan zizanenti "they bear;" Gk. gignesthai "to become, happen;" L. gignere "to beget," gnasci "to be born," genius "procreative divinity, inborn tutelary spirit, innate quality," ingenium "inborn character," germen "shoot, bud, embryo, germ;" Lith. gentis "kinsmen;" Goth. kuni "race;" O.E. cennan "beget, create;" O.H.G. kind "child;" O.Ir. ro-genar "I was born;" Welsh geni "to be born").

in short, words related:

γέννησις / γέννεσις (genisis / genesis) = birth, creation, production
γεννήτωρ / γεννήτρια (genitor / genitria) = generator
γεννώ / τίκτω (geno / tikto) = bear, give birth
γένος (genos) = species, breed
γενεά (genea) = ancestry, nation, family
γενάρχης (γένος + άρχων - genos + archon) = first ancestor, founder of species
γενεαλογία (γενεά + λόγος - genea + logos) = genealogy
γενέθλιος (genethlios) = related to the birth of someone
γενεσιουργία (genesiurgia) = creation
γενεσιουργικός (genesiurgikos) = creative
γενεσιουργός (γένεσις + έργω - genesis + ergo) = creator
γενέτειρα / γενέτωρ (geneteira / genetor (female-male)) = home land
γενετήσιος < γενέτης (genetisios < genetis) = father
γενετικός (genetic) = related to birth, noun. biology branch about hereditary

γονέας (goneas) = parent
γονεωνυμικός (goneonymikos) = goneonymous, takes name from parent
γονή (gonne) = simbling also απόγονος (apogonos - από + γόνος - apo + gonos)
γόνος, γονίδιο (gonos, gonidio) = gene = chromosomes
γονικός (gonikos) = related to parenthood
γόνιμος (gonimos) < γόνος = fertile
γονιμοποιώ (γόνιμος + ποιώ - (gonimopoio) gonimos + poio) = fertilize, impregnate

these are a few words that derive that should clear up the picture a bit.

furthermore, the name Isis in Greek is Ίσιδα -> Isida
:cool:

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 12:16 PM

also note:

gene
1911, from Ger. Gen, coined 1905 by Dan. scientist Wilhelm Ludvig Johannsen (1857-1927), from Gk. genea "generation, race" (see kin). De Vries had earlier called them pangenes.

genome
"sum total of genes in a set," 1930, from Ger. genom, coined 1920 by Ger. botanist Hans Winkler, from gen "gene" + (chromos)om "chromosome."

gender
c.1300, from O.Fr. gendre, from stem of L. genus (gen. generis) "kind, sort, gender," also "sex" (see genus); used to translate from Gk. Aristotle's grammatical term genos. As sex took on erotic qualities in 20c., gender came to be used for "sex of a human being," often in feminist writing with reference to social attributes as much as biological qualities; this sense first attested 1963. Gender-bender is first attested 1980, with reference to pop star David Bowie.

general
c.1300 (implied in generally), from L. generalis "relating to all, of a whole class" (contrasted with specialis), from genus (gen. generis) "stock, kind" (see genus). Noun sense of "commander of an army" is 1576 shortening of captain general, from M.Fr. capitaine général. The title generalissimo (1621) is from It., superlative of generale, from a sense development similar to the Fr.

generic
1676, "belonging to a large group of objects," formed in Eng. from L. gener-, stem of genus "kind" (see genus). Sense of "not special, not brand-name," of groceries, etc., is from 1977.

generous
1588, from M.Fr. généreux (fem. généreuse), from L. generosus "of noble birth," from genus (gen. generis) "race, stock" (see genus). Originally "of noble birth," secondary senses of "unselfish" and "plentiful" were both present in Fr. and perhaps in Latin.

genital
1382, from L. genitalis "pertaining to generation or birth," related to Gk. genete "birth" (see genus). Plural genitals "reproductive organs" formed in Eng. 1390. Scientific pl. genitalia (1876) is from L. genitalia membra.

genius
1390, from L. genius "guardian deity or spirit which watches over each person from birth; spirit, incarnation, wit, talent," from root of gignere "beget, produce" (see kin), from PIE base *gen- "produce." Meaning "person of natural intelligence or talent" first recorded 1649.

genocide
1944, apparently coined by Polish-born U.S. jurist Raphael Lemkin in his work "Axis Rule in Occupied Europe" [p.19], in reference to Nazi extermination of Jews, lit. "killing a tribe," from Gk. genos "race, kind" (see genus) + -cide, from L. -cidere "kill," comb. form of caedere "to cut, kill" (see concise). The proper formation would be *genticide.

genome
"sum total of genes in a set," 1930, from Ger. genom, coined 1920 by Ger. botanist Hans Winkler, from gen "gene" + (chromos)om "chromosome."

genuine
1596, from L. genuinus "native, natural," from root of gignere "beget" (see genus), perhaps infl. in form by contrasting adulterinus "spurious." Alternative etymology is from L. genu "knee," from an ancient custom of a father acknowledging paternity of a newborn by placing it on his knee.

father ted

06-09-2007, 12:17 PM

while I agree that he was very rude to you and went ott, I get the impression he had some kind of problem with that whole forum... not sure if somehow he knew you were a poster there... but when he ranted on, he did seem to direct his anger at the whole forum... and looking back at some of those posters and what they were posting about him I cant blame him for letting it rip their... it was quite funny actually :)

Which forum was that? the old Icke forum or this one? I remember the rant he had with the old Icke forum, my impression was that he felt he was set up to visit that forum and read what was written about him. He was susspicious of everyone who mentioned that place.

I have learned a lot from him, I think he is best at astrology and tarot.

sunshine_superman

06-09-2007, 12:30 PM

I totally dig that man. I've seen many of his videos and they're very informative. And he always encourages you to look it up for yourself, and not take his word for it. He also recommends many fellow truth seekers and quotes Icke a lot. I don't believe everything he says, and I don't think he expects that from anyone either.

When it comes to modern day conspiracy he takes a lot from the horse's mouth, which is fascinating. Anyway, look it up for yourself and draw your own conclusions.

kblood

06-09-2007, 12:46 PM

I learnt many years ago to NEVER throw the baby out with the
bathwater. Nobody is perfect, nor should we expect them to be.

Tsarion has made an invaluable contribution, and I consider myself
richer for having discovered it.

LL

Indeed :) Most the things I have read so far has been fantasy, simply because it is more fun to read. And it suits my view of the world better. When reading fantasy, at least I know it is all based on fantasy, but still there is usually hidden stories in it, or ideas and characters that are very inspirational.

I havent read any Michael Tsarions work (yet), but to judge him on his errors right away makes it impossible to learn anything from him. Sounds like most his information might come from astral travelling and other spiritual sources. This makes all the information he gets quite hard to understand and write down. Many of the things he has written about a very likely based on things he did not understand correctly at the time he wrote it. Maybe he did not do enough real research to backup his theories and so on. However I am quite certain that he has made some interesting discoveries, and got some fascinating points of view that he has shared with others.

We are of course very critical about what we read, but usually we have to read alot of text that is just there more or less rantings, to find the few good parts.

To say someone is wrong about alot of things, then you have to go into what he is wrong about and what he is right about to make a meaningfull discussion about it. Anyone got a few of his most valuable pearls of information from Micheal Tsarion? This Atlantis is always interesting to hear new or different theories about.

thirdwave

06-09-2007, 12:55 PM

this here is exactly what i said: some of his explanations are outrageous, i just quickly went through a few pages and found more than 20 mistakes.

sure.

it is a Greek word, written γέννεσις.

etymology from etymonline.com:

genesis
O.E., from L. genesis, adopted as title of first book of Old Testament in Vulgate, from Gk. genesis "origin, creation, generation," from gignesthai "to be born," related to genos "race, birth, descent" (see genus). As such, it translated Heb. bereshith, lit. "in the beginning," which was the first word of the text, taken in error as its title. Extended sense of "origin, creation" first recorded in Eng. 1604.

genus
(pl. genera), 1551 as a term of logic (biological sense dates from 1608), from L. genus (gen. generis) "race, stock, kind," cognate with Gk. genos "race, kind," and gonos "birth, offspring, stock," from PIE base *gen-/*gon-/*gn- "produce, beget, be born" (cf. Skt. janati "begets, bears," janah "race," jatah "born;" Avestan zizanenti "they bear;" Gk. gignesthai "to become, happen;" L. gignere "to beget," gnasci "to be born," genius "procreative divinity, inborn tutelary spirit, innate quality," ingenium "inborn character," germen "shoot, bud, embryo, germ;" Lith. gentis "kinsmen;" Goth. kuni "race;" O.E. cennan "beget, create;" O.H.G. kind "child;" O.Ir. ro-genar "I was born;" Welsh geni "to be born").

in short, words related:

γέννησις / γέννεσις (genisis / genesis) = birth, creation, production
γεννήτωρ / γεννήτρια (genitor / genitria) = generator
γεννώ / τίκτω (geno / tikto) = bear, give birth
γένος (genos) = species, breed
γενεά (genea) = ancestry, nation, family
γενάρχης (γένος + άρχων - genos + archon) = first ancestor, founder of species
γενεαλογία (γενεά + λόγος - genea + logos) = genealogy
γενέθλιος (genethlios) = related to the birth of someone
γενεσιουργία (genesiurgia) = creation
γενεσιουργικός (genesiurgikos) = creative
γενεσιουργός (γένεσις + έργω - genesis + ergo) = creator
γενέτειρα / γενέτωρ (geneteira / genetor (female-male)) = home land
γενετήσιος < γενέτης (genetisios < genetis) = father
γενετικός (genetic) = related to birth, noun. biology branch about hereditary

γονέας (goneas) = parent
γονεωνυμικός (goneonymikos) = goneonymous, takes name from parent
γονή (gonne) = simbling also απόγονος (apogonos - από + γόνος - apo + gonos)
γόνος, γονίδιο (gonos, gonidio) = gene = chromosomes
γονικός (gonikos) = related to parenthood
γόνιμος (gonimos) < γόνος = fertile
γονιμοποιώ (γόνιμος + ποιώ - (gonimopoio) gonimos + poio) = fertilize, impregnate

these are a few words that derive that should clear up the picture a bit.

furthermore, the name Isis in Greek is Ίσιδα -> Isida
:cool:

ok so it pretty much means acording to this info you have decided base all your faith on ""race, birth, descent"", in Greek.

So if Tsarion thinks the actual word can be tracked back as Gens of isis as the Greek language was created before modern English ...then why is it outrageous that he may be right?

This is probably what they teach people in University and schools, does that make it fact anyway?... these meanings do not explain where the word has come from at all they just tell you what country they came from and what the modern translation to our current language is.... it is a limited description and one that certainly does not show Tsarios theory up to be "outrageous"!

especially with links like this...

γέννησις / γέννεσις (genisis / genesis) = birth, creation, production
genes of ????

and

γένος (genos) = species, breed
breed??? , what is this about the breeding of a species??.. would that not involved genes??

this offers more potency to Trasion works.

can you explain why it is outrageous that Tsarion thinks that this word that apparently meant "birth, creation, production" ...."species, breed" can not be broken down into modern words like Genes of Isis?

is word for species and breed... "Genesis" in the modern Greek language? and what is the actual WORD in English... not the meaning.... you have given me many meanings.... there is no direct translation to the Modern English language, so it does leave it open....

thirdwave

06-09-2007, 12:59 PM

also note:

gene
1911, from Ger. Gen, coined 1905 by Dan. scientist Wilhelm Ludvig Johannsen (1857-1927), from Gk. genea "generation, race" (see kin). De Vries had earlier called them pangenes.

ok, so where does the word "generation" come from....genesis?..this is getting really interesting, see what happens when you do your own open research!

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 01:20 PM

ok so it pretty much means acording to this info you have decided base all your faith on ""race, birth, descent"", in Greek.

So if Tsarion thinks the actual word can be tracked back as Gens of isis as the Greek language was created before modern English ...then why is it outrageous that he may be right?

oh man, you seem really confused like you don't know your own language..

i haven't decided anything based on faith, this is language. Greek and Chinese are the only languages that have remained consistent for more than 3,500 years.

it doesn't matter what Tsarion thinks, what matters is the people's ignorance that he exploits.

in the same manner i can say anything and you can believe it if you don't know your language.

example: the word Basis, is the "Back of Isis". it's too believable isn't it? and it's simply false.

This is probably what they teach people in University and schools, does that make it fact anyway?... these meanings do not explain where the word has come from at all they just tell you what country they came from and what the modern translation to our current language is.... it is a limited description and one that certainly does not show Tsarios theory up to be "outrageous"!

funny that you take Tsarion's word for everything that he doesn't back up!, yet you decline my thorough explanation and education.

that's really awesome.

especially with links like this...

γέννησις / γέννεσις (genisis / genesis) = birth, creation, production
genes of ????

genes of? what are you talking about, the word comes from a verb! didn't you read the etymologies i posted?

breed??? , what is this about the breeding of a species??.. would that not involved genes??

genes is a word that derives from this word.

γένος (genos) = species, breed

once again:

genos, genus
(pl. genera), 1551 as a term of logic (biological sense dates from 1608), from L. genus (gen. generis) "race, stock, kind," cognate with Gk. genos "race, kind," and gonos "birth, offspring, stock," from PIE base *gen-/*gon-/*gn- "produce, beget, be born" (cf. Skt. janati "begets, bears," janah "race," jatah "born;" Avestan zizanenti "they bear;" Gk. gignesthai "to become, happen;" L. gignere "to beget," gnasci "to be born," genius "procreative divinity, inborn tutelary spirit, innate quality," ingenium "inborn character," germen "shoot, bud, embryo, germ;" Lith. gentis "kinsmen;" Goth. kuni "race;" O.E. cennan "beget, create;" O.H.G. kind "child;" O.Ir. ro-genar "I was born;" Welsh geni "to be born").

can you explain why it is outrageous that Tsarion thinks that this word that apparently meant "birth, creation, production" ...."species, breed" can not be broken down into modern words like Genes of Isis?

because it is an assumption, that he can't back up and of course he doesn't.

is word for species and breed... "Genesis" in the modern Greek language? and what is the actual WORD in English... not the meaning.... you have given me many meanings.... there is no direct translation to the Modern English language, so it does leave it open....

ok. here are synonymous words for species:

γένος (genus)
είδος (eidos)
τάξη (taksi)

synonymous words for breed

αναθρέφω (anathrefo) = ανά + θρέφω (ana + threfo - up + feed) = bring up
ανατρέφω (anatrefo) = ανά + τρέφω (ana + trefo - up + feed) = bring up
γέννα (genna) = birth
γεννώ (genno) = i give birth
γένος (genus)
γονιμοποιώ (gonimopoio) = gonimos + poio = fertilize, impregnate
τάξη, είδος (taksi, eidos)

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 01:21 PM

ok, so where does the word "generation" come from....genesis?..this is getting really interesting, see what happens when you do your own open research!

generation
c.1300, "offspring of the same parent," also "body of individuals born about the same period" (usually 30 years), from L. generationem (nom. generatio), from generare "bring forth" (see genus). Generator in the sense "machine that generates power" first recorded 1794; in sense of "machine that generates electric energy," 1879. Generation gap first recorded 1967; generation x is 1991, from Douglas Coupland book of that name. The verb generate is attested from 1509; originally "to beget;" in ref. to natural forces, conditions, substances. etc., attested from 1563.

i suggest that you learn your own language.

lifeofbrian

06-09-2007, 01:31 PM

squinting, the word genesis viewed as a picture/symbol, using some wild imagination from the grey goo in the right hemisphere of the brain:

gene

sis
---

8 = S + S mirrored
8 = double helix
8 = sign of infinity, the 'whole', being whole, being 'at one' with oneself, complete, having done the 'shadow work', not having any 'shadow work' to do, full awareness

S (i) S = split personality/split d. helix = projection of the own dark side onto the world, polarity, you know the story

i = looks like part of the yin-yang symbol, something divorced from itself, a missing part located a short distance away

gene =

g = the conscious and the subconscious - or, maybe - the tone of ge, a frequency or something, some say

en = in the - for example - Scandinavian tongue meaning 'one'

ene = in the same tongue meaning 'unite', become one

genesis = how people were tampered with and corrupted at their very core, the level of the DNA, separation

or

how people had something added to them and were given the job to get it together

Who knows?

Tsarion is entertaining, and writes fascinating stuff.

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 01:37 PM

the root word here is the verb γίγνωμαι (gegnomai)

it means come into being, become, originate.

all the rest derive from this verb which declares action.

may i also add, all words originate from verbs and the truth behind each word is a declaration of action or process.

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 01:42 PM

g = the conscious and the subconscious - or, maybe - the tone of ge, a frequency or something, some say

en = in the - for example - Scandinavian tongue meaning 'one'

Earth in Greek is ΓΗ (GE), or ΓΑΙΑ in ancient Greek (GAIA)

from the word γίγνωμαι (gegnomai) = come into being.

lifeofbrian

06-09-2007, 01:57 PM

Earth in Greek is ΓΗ (GE), or ΓΑΙΑ in ancient Greek (GAIA)

from the word γίγνωμαι (gegnomai) = come into being.

Sorry, it's all Greek to me, so learning a lot from you. Keep up the good work.

What about cuneiform and wotsit? The story of Noah was told in earlier myths and earlier civilizations. Like the Akkadian Gilgamesh.

The Standard Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh, by Simo Parpola

"The Mesopotamian Counterparts of the biblical Nipilim", Perspectives on Languages and Text, by Anne Kilmer

How well did translators know the stuff they worked with? Seems a relevant question?

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 02:14 PM

Sorry, it's all Greek to me, so learning a lot from you. Keep up the good work.

What about cuneiform and wotsit? The story of Noah was told in earlier myths and earlier civilizations. Like the Akkadian Gilgamesh.

The Standard Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh, by Simo Parpola

"The Mesopotamian Counterparts of the biblical Nipilim", Perspectives on Languages and Text, by Anne Kilmer

How well did translators know the stuff they worked with? Seems a relevant question?

these words are unknown to me and probably from unknown origin.

that's a really good observation. most often translators don't have a thorough understanding of the language they translate. and this leads to misconceptions and misunderstandings. it also becomes very misleading when it comes to scholars who themselves have misunderstood basic principles.

see, the Greek language is pure mathematics and every word is relative. you can even make new words that are mathematically and semantically accurate and everyone understands. suffice to say, 80% or more of scientific terms (science: this also comes from the Greek "schio") are Greek. you guys even use Greek words all the time without even knowing it and sometimes, you don't even use them with their correct meanings.

it becomes frustrating to have to explain stuff like this all the time. most young Greeks also, don't know their own language and use it falsely and sound really dumb, i am not saying this stuff to praise the Greeks or anything.

lifeofbrian

06-09-2007, 02:23 PM

these words are unknown to me and probably from unknown origin.

that's a really good observation. most often translators don't have a thorough understanding of the language they translate. and this leads to misconceptions and misunderstandings. it also becomes very misleading when it comes to scholars who themselves have misunderstood basic principles.

see, the Greek language is pure mathematics and every word is relative. you can even make new words that are mathematically and semantically accurate and everyone understands. suffice to say, 80% or more of scientific terms (science: this also comes from the Greek "schio") are Greek. you guys even use Greek words all the time without even knowing it and sometimes, you don't even use them with their correct meanings.

it becomes frustrating to have to explain stuff like this all the time. most young Greeks also, don't know their own language and use it falsely and sound really dumb, i am not saying this stuff to praise the Greeks or anything.

I need to apologize to you; 'wotsit' is just sloppy writing 'what is it', my mistake.

Cuneiform is one of the earliest known written languages, from what I have come to understand. Could well be mistaken.

Yes, I can imagine it gets tiresome to have to explain what must seem elementary to you, all the time. Thank you for trying, at least. Very much appreciated.

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 02:27 PM

just looked up cuneiform on my dictionary. the greek word is σφηνοειδής (σφήνα + είδος - sphen + eidos)

σφήν (sphen) = wedge, ειδος (eidos) = like, kind, form, species

so it means "wedge like". i don't know if you were referring to this kind of writing that was developed in the middle east.

monique

06-09-2007, 02:28 PM

Tsarion, with his smiling, lively face and his cold, lifeless eyes.

Indeed he is pushing the Tarot, and the tarot with it's 4th dimensional archetypical emotions is precisely what we want to avoid if we want to break free from being controlled.
Delooze blew me away with his article on Live Earth, because it is was so spot on: our emotional bodies are subject to control, and hence we give our spiritual energy away.
The tarot is a tool of 4th lower astrals, best to leave them be and not play their game.
I burnt my deck of cards in the woods of Ecuador, and it wasn't pretty..

Tsarion is one scary fellow, with his rantsection..
I'll never forget his rant at poor Mahabarat, although we had many laughs over it over the course of years, it was pretty serious and show what an unstable personality we're dealing with.

I don't believe in the antichrist, but if there was ever going to be one, he as a quasi saviour would be a good candidate.

lifeofbrian

06-09-2007, 02:32 PM

joss classey

06-09-2007, 02:33 PM

i don't give a shit about any of the tarot stuff

what's important are the ideas

the polar shifts. the ego. the shadow

and christ?

don't get me started on that

thirdwave

06-09-2007, 04:37 PM

oh man, you seem really confused like you don't know your own language..

lol, ok thanks for that, although i still think I have raised a valid point.

i haven't decided anything based on faith, this is language. Greek and Chinese are the only languages that have remained consistent for more than 3,500 years.

yeah ok so lets just stamp that as fact then and move past that.....now, how does what you have come up with prove that the word Geneses is not of relative to the modern words Genes of isis?

the fact is after I asked you to prove it you have faild in doing so, you have only managed to give me the understanding of what the word means, which is relatively simier to what Trasion has said only he thinks that it is in relation to isis, and I say again you have provided no evidence that confirms this is ridiculous.. thats nothing to do with my lack of understanding English, nothing to do with not understanding words that have come from thousands of years ago.... it has to do with trying to work out simply were words come from, what they begin as..... im sure someone did not just go ..... I got an idea, lets call it genesis... and that will mean this and that and this and that..... Im not asking you what our understanding of the word means...or what they have taught kids in school I'm asking where the word originated from... its very hard to answer isn't it?... but yet Tsarion claims to have done so and you have said its ridiculous

it doesn't matter what Tsarion thinks, what matters is the people's ignorance that he exploits.

but I am not being ignorant I am asking questions, I have asked you why its ridiculous that he thinks the word Genesis is short form the English words genes of isis ...now don't forget I have told you that I do not know he is right, but I have absolutely no reason to think its ridiculous and im asking you to educate me so that i can share your thoughts on it.

in the same manner i can say anything and you can believe it if you don't know your language.

but you have just taught me what you think genesis means and i have read it all, so on that level i have been educated the same as you, but i still dont see how you can view his belief on that word as ridiculous as you have no info on where the word came from and that is has no relation to the word genes or isis..... even though you have confirmed the meaning of the word is known to our schools and universities as creation the birth of a new race...... why were the word "Genesis" put together?????? I am not claiming to know, Im asking you as you appear to be very well educated on it.

example: the word Basis, is the "Back of Isis". it's too believable isn't it? and it's simply false.
I dont know, so if you told me I would keep an open mind on it, I guess it would depend on the credibility of other information you have passed on to me. ...im sure the word basis has come from somewhere..... probably base.... so where did base come from? ..i bet if you do your home work you will find out.... why would schools and universities teach us this???

funny that you take Tsarion's word for everything that he doesn't back up!, yet you decline my thorough explanation and education.

you are ignoring my posts go back and check my quite here

"I am merely asking for something other than your view... as to me, although I am not %100 certain that this is true, it is very believable and I am happy to except his theory or at least keep an open mind to it..."

I do not believe anything anyone says.... its so lame when people keep saying this ...same with anyone who likes icke....tsarion.... so on..... if you agree and defend them , then you are accused as being blind and not thinking for your self :rolleyes:

your wrong, I don't agree with all tsarions stuff.... neither ickes, but I just think you are being closed minded and only relying on one source of education and actually being quite hypocritical.

genes of? what are you talking about, the word comes from a verb! didn't you read the etymologies i posted?

so were you an English teacher back when the book was written or maybe when the garden of eden got planning permission?

genes is a word that derives from this word.

γένος (genos) = species, breed

Yes lol!!! I know you have allready sent me that stuff.....

once again:

genos, genus
(pl. genera), 1551 as a term of logic (biological sense dates from 1608), from L. genus (gen. generis) "race, stock, kind," cognate with Gk. genos "race, kind," and gonos "birth, offspring, stock," from PIE base *gen-/*gon-/*gn- "produce, beget, be born" (cf. Skt. janati "begets, bears," janah "race," jatah "born;" Avestan zizanenti "they bear;" Gk. gignesthai "to become, happen;" L. gignere "to beget," gnasci "to be born," genius "procreative divinity, inborn tutelary spirit, innate quality," ingenium "inborn character," germen "shoot, bud, embryo, germ;" Lith. gentis "kinsmen;" Goth. kuni "race;" O.E. cennan "beget, create;" O.H.G. kind "child;" O.Ir. ro-genar "I was born;" Welsh geni "to be born").

because it is an assumption, that he can't back up and of course he doesn't.

ok. here are synonymous words for species:

γένος (genus)
είδος (eidos)
τάξη (taksi)

synonymous words for breed

αναθρέφω (anathrefo) = ανά + θρέφω (ana + threfo - up + feed) = bring up
ανατρέφω (anatrefo) = ανά + τρέφω (ana + trefo - up + feed) = bring up
γέννα (genna) = birth
γεννώ (genno) = i give birth
γένος (genus)
γονιμοποιώ (gonimopoio) = gonimos + poio = fertilize, impregnate
τάξη, είδος (taksi, eidos)

you are ignoring my point.....

Yes you are explain to me the variation in meanings of genes... and how the greek translations work out, in trust of what they educate people in schools....... but that does not explain where the word originated from and that modern English does not have words that have originated them selfs from old words.... through Latin... and so on....

you just saying where we got it from

you see it could have been a word that way back then when it was created meant.... in modern English... translated..... Genes of Isis ..... he is not saying thats why they called it Geneses because English was not used back then.... but all languages are tied to some level....

and I say again, you have provided nothing to suggest that the idea is ridiculous. other than you have firm trust and belief in our education system which always cuts off to a point.

thirdwave

06-09-2007, 04:42 PM

Tsarion, with his smiling, lively face and his cold, lifeless eyes.

I have exchanged a few emails with him and he came across as a nice guy... did not have to reply but sent a long reply that was very informative.

caleb

06-09-2007, 05:36 PM

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 05:54 PM

yeah ok so lets just stamp that as fact then and move past that.....now, how does what you have come up with prove that the word Geneses is not of relative to the modern words Genes of isis?

oh God.. ok, here is a more simple explanation for you..

if the Greeks were thinking "genes of Isis" when making that term, this implies:

- they traveled into the future and reviewed the discovery of genes
- they traveled more into the future and reviewed the English language that came many centuries later, from which they recovered the word "Isis" (there is no name Isis in the Greek language, as i have said the word is Ίσιδα pronounced ee-see-thah)
- they also took the word "genes" from the future English people who were using it
- they came back into their present time and decided to create a word that would incorporate an Egypt goddess with the name that a future culture assigned to her. just for kicks.
- they did all this because they were really cool ninjas

snoopsnuffleopagus

06-09-2007, 05:57 PM

Cordial Felicitations:

It may be 'profitable', and just plain 'fun' to recall the Book of Yahweh was scribed in Hebrew. The word: 'Genesis', is derived from the Hebrew word: Bereshith: 'In The Beginning'.

It may also be profitable and just plain fun to recall: The Book of Yahweh; is the Antithesis of the Doctrines of Isis.

Does Antithesis; breakdown to: 'Against the Isis'?. Only if one desires to create and play Jazz. The Book of Yahweh is Classical Music, legion are they who convert the Scriptures to Jazz.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 06:08 PM

and this was just one small example of his mistakes... there are hundreds of them in the book, i would have to make a book 10 times the size of his book to explain all the others that he makes.

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 06:55 PM

you see it could have been a word that way back then when it was created meant.... in modern English... translated..... Genes of Isis ..... he is not saying thats why they called it Geneses because English was not used back then.... but all languages are tied to some level....

and I say again, you have provided nothing to suggest that the idea is ridiculous. other than you have firm trust and belief in our education system which always cuts off to a point.

well i have been trying to prove to you that the word "genesis" means "birth" in Greek. it meant that in ancient times and it means the same today. if you come to Greece and say "genesis", everyone is going to understand birth.

if you say for example "my genesis was on the 17th of September", all the Greek people will understand that your birthday is on the 17th of September.

sorry for heaping all these words, i guess that i get too excited with linguistics :)

thirdwave

06-09-2007, 07:37 PM

yes but you are still missing my point....

because genesis is meant to mean "birth" in greek that does not explain where the word came from and how it came about

for example....

he also says that the word "catastrophe" was originally something like "explosion of the stars" .... now you can look in the dictionary and think ..no its not its about a disaster of a big mess up..... but that only explains what our understanding of the word means .... not where the word originated from...

now, you have been extremely thorough in explaining what the word in greeks means, hence what is associated with that word, and you have even managed to give a through translation into English.... but your still choosing to leave a big gap into where the actual word came from..... and the descriptions you have come up for it while braking the word down.... fits very nicely into Tsarions work.

now, you can say words like Genes of isis where not around back then but he is not saying the word was mad short from those words..... he is saying thats pretty much what it originally meant.... and how it lead to become a Greek word that means "birth" .... understand?

now wrong or right, that is what he is saying, and you have only managed to dig so deep into it....not deep enough.

and Isis came form Greek translation anyway, its a Greek word.... who knows want went on back then...

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 08:45 PM

yes but you are still missing my point....

because genesis is meant to mean "birth" in greek that does not explain where the word came from and how it came about

i have already explained that. from the verb γίγνομαι

i see that you are not satisfied with that.

here goes:

γί-γνομαι from short of γι-γένομαι, that got reformulated from the root *ΓΕΝΩ. from the last derive the words: fut. γενήσομαι, past εγενόμην, ppt. γεγένημαι and γέγονα. also later, past tense εγενήθην, etc.
= come to being, become | happen | get born | exist | live | from present perfect tense γέγονα = i am (like this) since birth, i have become (like this)
2) on events, i happen, i come to pass
|| later the influence about movement = i arrive, i go to
2) πάντα, παντοιοις, παντοδαπός γίγνομαι = i obtain all forms, i turn to all directions | εμαυτού γίγνομαι = become sovereign of my self
etc.

etymology: from the root γεν-, γα- (gen-, ga-)
sanskr. verb g'an- (g'an-a-mi and g'a-g'an-mi) = give birth, produce, g'a-j-e (become born), g'an-as (being, entity), g'an-us (genus), g'an-i-ta (γεννήτωρ, land of birth - father), g'an-i-tri (γενέτειρα, land of birth - female - mother), g'a-ti-s (genesis)
latin. gen-: gi-gn-o, gen-ui, gen-us, gen-i-tor, gen-e-trix, gen(t)-s, gna-sc-or, gna-tus, na-tio, gen-er, gen-iu-s - na-tura -
old irish. ro-genar = natus, sum, future tense gignid = nasce-tur, gein = naissance.

all the above underlie Iap. *gene-, geno (=γίγνομαι). words related also γαμβρός (groom), γάμος (marriage), from the later transformation to γίνομαι.

also related: γι-γνώσκω (learn, receive knowledge) from where γνώσις (gnosis) and all the related words derive.

the etymology of the word γένεσις (genesis) references to the etymology of the verb γίγνομαι analyzed above.

no Egyptian goddess, no lies.

this is the last time i am writing about this, i am not going to analyze that word any more. take it or leave it.

he also says that the word "catastrophe" was originally something like "explosion of the stars" .... now you can look in the dictionary and think ..no its not its about a disaster of a big mess up..... but that only explains what our understanding of the word means .... not where the word originated from...

he makes the ridiculous assumption that the "astro" in catastrophe, is related to the stars. let's take a look at the truth shall we

catastrophe
1540, "reversal of what is expected" (especially a fatal turning point in a drama), from Gk. katastrephein "to overturn," from kata "down" + strephein "turn." Extension to "sudden disaster" is first recorded 1748. Catastrophism as a geological or biological theory is from 1869.

now, you have been extremely thorough in explaining what the word in greeks means, hence what is associated with that word, and you have even managed to give a through translation into English.... but your still choosing to leave a big gap into where the actual word came from..... and the descriptions you have come up for it while braking the word down.... fits very nicely into Tsarions work.

there is no gap to what i wrote. there is a huge gap in Tsarions work. he has every word twisted, that's not even a gap, it's a crime!

now, you can say words like Genes of isis where not around back then but he is not saying the word was mad short from those words..... he is saying thats pretty much what it originally meant.... and how it lead to become a Greek word that means "birth" .... understand?

now wrong or right, that is what he is saying, and you have only managed to dig so deep into it....not deep enough.

after my analysis on this post, there shouldn't be any gaps in your understanding.

and Isis came form Greek translation anyway, its a Greek word.... who knows want went on back then...

not what Tsarion wants to make you believe that went on back then. apparently i made a mistake here, it is a Greek word of a goddess, a name. and it has nothing to do with the word γί(γ)νομαι [gi(g)nomai] = to become. it exists only in the Ancient Greek dictionary, that's why i wouldn't find it in the latest ones.

he is making that claim so that he can continue with something totally irrelevant and false.

here is what is mentioned in my book:

Ίσις, gen. Ίσιδος, epith. (belonging to) Ίσιάς, etc. Egyptian goddess corresponding to Demetra (lat. Ceres)

no other correlation with other words (such as genesis) and etymology mentioned.

he is simply talking utter bollocks.

gorana

06-09-2007, 09:35 PM

many of them do..... at the end of the day money is the root of all evils.

we are forced to act like animals when it comes to money... all of us, because we make it that way due to our lack of trust and morals...which is of course triggered by fear.

and I am pretty confident that any researcher who appears to not be bothered about their copyright, is simply making lots of money, even if its in other fields...

that being said, there are lots of free video streams on his website that are very long and informative.

Would you like that David works full day (his 8 hours) and then starts his work to get all these things he already managed to do? We would not see a quarter of all these books and videos and newsletters since he started.

So i will support any guy financially, for all their effort and energies they invest in their search. But that does not mean that i believe everything they write.

G.

teslafire

06-09-2007, 09:47 PM

Michael Tsarion - "Researcher"

:D

Beware soothsayers lacking bibliographies!

For then they can just make shit up!

kblood

06-09-2007, 10:32 PM

oh God.. ok, here is a more simple explanation for you..

if the Greeks were thinking "genes of Isis" when making that term, this implies:

- they traveled into the future and reviewed the discovery of genes
- they traveled more into the future and reviewed the English language that came many centuries later, from which they recovered the word "Isis" (there is no name Isis in the Greek language, as i have said the word is Ίσιδα pronounced ee-see-thah)
- they also took the word "genes" from the future English people who were using it
- they came back into their present time and decided to create a word that would incorporate an Egypt goddess with the name that a future culture assigned to her. just for kicks.
- they did all this because they were really cool ninjas

Hmmm... you sure are skeptic about Tsarion. I do understand why, but please remember that what we know of greek today is all based on what has become the commonly accepted translations of something we cannot be sure we really understand.

For example the word "love". It did not exist back in the era of the greeks. This doesnt mean that they did not understand the concept of love, or did not express love in any way. I believe love is a became a common concept some time around 0-200 AD.

As for genes... well, we are wondering how much aliens have interfered with the ancient civilisations. Maybe the concept of genes simply just became "rediscovered" later, and then got backed up by the understanding we have come to have of ancient greek today. We cannot be sure what the greeks meant with their words, since they did not exactly make encyclopedias and dictionaries back then.

To understand the ancient civilisations, we need to research several of them, their words and languages, the ways they pronounced their words and how they might have been understood by other civilisations. Therefore we always have to fill in the holes with assumptions. This is what it seems to me that Tsarion did, and he might have been more precise than others, and maybe he wasnt.

As for how the greeks had to know about our time to make it all fit together? Could it not be that our words Genes and Isis was based on what the ancient greeks made the word Genesis from?

mk72

06-09-2007, 10:58 PM

Bigus
I think you are confusing Michael Tsarion with Erich Von Danicked. Why are you looking at Greek words? The bulk of his studies focus on Celtic, Norse, Egyptian and other etymology not Greek. It’s like discrediting David Icke’s work with a train manual because he likes trains.

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 11:28 PM

Hmmm... you sure are skeptic about Tsarion. I do understand why, but please remember that what we know of greek today is all based on what has become the commonly accepted translations of something we cannot be sure we really understand.

please read all my posts on this thread.

For example the word "love". It did not exist back in the era of the greeks. This doesnt mean that they did not understand the concept of love, or did not express love in any way. I believe love is a became a common concept some time around 0-200 AD.

oh please, dude :)
Greek words for love - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the Greeks invented these words before anyone else in europe could speak.

As for genes... well, we are wondering how much aliens have interfered with the ancient civilisations. Maybe the concept of genes simply just became "rediscovered" later, and then got backed up by the understanding we have come to have of ancient greek today. We cannot be sure what the greeks meant with their words, since they did not exactly make encyclopedias and dictionaries back then.

but michael tsarion was there, huh. how cool... our favorite magician can travel back in time.

To understand the ancient civilisations, we need to research several of them, their words and languages, the ways they pronounced their words and how they might have been understood by other civilisations. Therefore we always have to fill in the holes with assumptions. This is what it seems to me that Tsarion did, and he might have been more precise than others, and maybe he wasnt.

you are talking about the origins of language. whatever these origins are, they are the same with the origins of mankind somehow. this has nothing to do with Tsarion's ridiculous assertions, lies and twisting of the meanings of words.

do you understand that twisting meanings like that makes it impossible for us to communicate and makes us constantly mislead? this guys is deliberately misleading people, that's what i am saying. it's my opinion, you don't have to believe me.

if we don't know our language, then all this text here and any other text ever existed, is merely impossible to be comprehended by anyone. including Tsarion's books.

As for how the greeks had to know about our time to make it all fit together? Could it not be that our words Genes and Isis was based on what the ancient greeks made the word Genesis from?

i have already given the answers to those questions.

bigus_dickus

06-09-2007, 11:30 PM

thirdwave

06-09-2007, 11:48 PM

Would you like that David works full day (his 8 hours) and then starts his work to get all these things he already managed to do? We would not see a quarter of all these books and videos and newsletters since he started.

So i will support any guy financially, for all their effort and energies they invest in their search. But that does not mean that i believe everything they write.

G.

I agree...

thirdwave

07-09-2007, 12:02 AM

i have already explained that. from the verb γίγνομαι

i see that you are not satisfied with that.

here goes:

γί-γνομαι from short of γι-γένομαι, that got reformulated from the root *ΓΕΝΩ. from the last derive the words: fut. γενήσομαι, past εγενόμην, ppt. γεγένημαι and γέγονα. also later, past tense εγενήθην, etc.
= come to being, become | happen | get born | exist | live | from present perfect tense γέγονα = i am (like this) since birth, i have become (like this)
2) on events, i happen, i come to pass
|| later the influence about movement = i arrive, i go to
2) πάντα, παντοιοις, παντοδαπός γίγνομαι = i obtain all forms, i turn to all directions | εμαυτού γίγνομαι = become sovereign of my self
etc.

etymology: from the root γεν-, γα- (gen-, ga-)
sanskr. verb g'an- (g'an-a-mi and g'a-g'an-mi) = give birth, produce, g'a-j-e (become born), g'an-as (being, entity), g'an-us (genus), g'an-i-ta (γεννήτωρ, land of birth - father), g'an-i-tri (γενέτειρα, land of birth - female - mother), g'a-ti-s (genesis)
latin. gen-: gi-gn-o, gen-ui, gen-us, gen-i-tor, gen-e-trix, gen(t)-s, gna-sc-or, gna-tus, na-tio, gen-er, gen-iu-s - na-tura -
old irish. ro-genar = natus, sum, future tense gignid = nasce-tur, gein = naissance.

all the above underlie Iap. *gene-, geno (=γίγνομαι). words related also γαμβρός (groom), γάμος (marriage), from the later transformation to γίνομαι.

also related: γι-γνώσκω (learn, receive knowledge) from where γνώσις (gnosis) and all the related words derive.

the etymology of the word γένεσις (genesis) references to the etymology of the verb γίγνομαι analyzed above.

no Egyptian goddess, no lies.

this is the last time i am writing about this, i am not going to analyze that word any more. take it or leave it.

he makes the ridiculous assumption that the "astro" in catastrophe, is related to the stars. let's take a look at the truth shall we

catastrophe
1540, "reversal of what is expected" (especially a fatal turning point in a drama), from Gk. katastrephein "to overturn," from kata "down" + strephein "turn." Extension to "sudden disaster" is first recorded 1748. Catastrophism as a geological or biological theory is from 1869.

there is no gap to what i wrote. there is a huge gap in Tsarions work. he has every word twisted, that's not even a gap, it's a crime!

after my analysis on this post, there shouldn't be any gaps in your understanding.

not what Tsarion wants to make you believe that went on back then. apparently i made a mistake here, it is a Greek word of a goddess, a name. and it has nothing to do with the word γί(γ)νομαι [gi(g)nomai] = to become. it exists only in the Ancient Greek dictionary, that's why i wouldn't find it in the latest ones.

he is making that claim so that he can continue with something totally irrelevant and false.

here is what is mentioned in my book:

Ίσις, gen. Ίσιδος, epith. (belonging to) Ίσιάς, etc. Egyptian goddess corresponding to Demetra (lat. Ceres)

no other correlation with other words (such as genesis) and etymology mentioned.

he is simply talking utter bollocks.

again you are going to the same source if info and automaticly asuming it is corrent because it is what they use in the educations sytem... so for a start i would not even take any of it as solid evidence....

but again you are only trnaslating the words.... from one point to another....

you are translating the english word..... into the greek spelling... and then infomring what it is meant to mean....

but this does not prove he is wrong.

all language is linked to a point.... for us Genes can be tracked back ...ISIS can be tracked back....so on... they can be traced back and back.....

you have taken one source of info from one system... which informs you want the words mean..... what they were used to express.... what they were used to describe..... but in order for those words to have been selected at some point.... to be put forward to represent the meanings you have provided...in two formats.... it has to have come from somewhere.... a reason why those words where used.... and all language can be linked... even Greek and English....

now Im not saying that Tsarion has not maybe used alot of his personal views on some of this stuff... but i would bet you anything he has not just pulled it from thin air.... and it is certainly not outrageous.... and again you have not proved anything that shows it to be.... you have just tried to inforce that what they teach us an uni is all there is to know.... and thats not the case.

bigus_dickus

07-09-2007, 01:06 AM

again you are going to the same source if info and automaticly asuming it is corrent because it is what they use in the educations sytem... so for a start i would not even take any of it as solid evidence....

huh?!?!

but again you are only trnaslating the words.... from one point to another....

you are translating the english word..... into the greek spelling... and then infomring what it is meant to mean....

are you being serious now? what word did i translate?

but this does not prove he is wrong.

all language is linked to a point.... for us Genes can be tracked back ...ISIS can be tracked back....so on... they can be traced back and back.....

and??

you have taken one source of info from one system... which informs you want the words mean..... what they were used to express.... what they were used to describe..... but in order for those words to have been selected at some point.... to be put forward to represent the meanings you have provided...in two formats.... it has to have come from somewhere.... a reason why those words where used.... and all language can be linked... even Greek and English....

and the source is?

and the reason (according to you) is what?

now Im not saying that Tsarion has not maybe used alot of his personal views on some of this stuff... but i would bet you anything he has not just pulled it from thin air.... and it is certainly not outrageous.... and again you have not proved anything that shows it to be.... you have just tried to inforce that what they teach us an uni is all there is to know.... and thats not the case.

whatever, dude. i wouldn't be able to prove it to you even if i invented everything myself. and my purpose is not to prove to you anything. in the long run, absolutely nothing can be proven. for what does proof mean? everything is illusion.

at least watch out for the lies. research it yourself. i told you before on this thread and you said it also. i also said that i am not against anyone, i point out the lies and their intentions when i see them. what you do with my message, is your choice. you can trash it right away if you are not pleased. i know that i have good intentions and i just don't give a fuck. peace :)

king

07-09-2007, 06:55 AM

yeah he is pretty awesome in making stuff up and being a total asshole towards mahabarata and others ;)

he mixes up words and makes the most ridiculous correlations, without backing anything up, you just have to take his word.

Are you telling me that you are not buying it?

cmon man, what about him pushing Crowley and New Age religion?
Hey, you can learn a lot from "divination arts" by looking into tarrot cards and other New Age crap... on one of his 7 web sites.

as far as him making shit up as he goes -- some of us KNOW that he is a great science fiction writer... that is financed by THEM.
And, he also comes from Maxwell conspiracy factory, that should be a clue for the wise.

king

07-09-2007, 07:50 AM

Tsarion, with his smiling, lively face and his cold, lifeless eyes.

Indeed he is pushing the Tarot, and the tarot with it's 4th dimensional archetypical emotions is precisely what we want to avoid if we want to break free from being controlled.
Delooze blew me away with his article on Live Earth, because it is was so spot on: our emotional bodies are subject to control, and hence we give our spiritual energy away.
The tarot is a tool of 4th lower astrals, best to leave them be and not play their game.
agreed!

i am glad that you too can see it clearly on different levels as well!

I burnt my deck of cards in the woods of Ecuador, and it wasn't pretty..
really? what happened?

Tsarion is one scary fellow, with his rantsection..

i remember. And, i was part of those exposing Tsarion, so I know a few extra tidbits about him as well.

I'll never forget his rant at poor Mahabarat, although we had many laughs over it over the course of years, it was pretty serious and show what an unstable personality we're dealing with.

oh yeah... he was furious when he was exposed

I don't believe in the antichrist, but if there was ever going to be one, he as a quasi saviour would be a good candidate.

ha ha... good 1

BTW, just study his eyes and you will know that something ain't quite right with that guy

mk72

07-09-2007, 08:10 AM

Tsarion quotes Erich Von Daniken a lot. i am not confusing them, read my posts, your answers are there.

Your posts are all on Greek words – you are not proving anything because he doesn’t use Greek history to back up his work, so how can you say you’re answers are in your posts?
If you truly want to inform us, then back it up logically and discredit him with the root of his own work not some complete different civilization and timeframe, his work deals with 11 to 50 thousand years ago, why are you talking about a civilization that excited 2000 years ago? So no – you have not given me an answer

king

07-09-2007, 09:47 AM

check this out:

http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/2593518/

This episode attempts to point out the short time left to speak out and encourages people to stay brave in the face of the gathering darkness. It also further exposes the potential fraud of people like Zechariah Sitchin, Michael Tsarion and the 2012 dogma, and shows how evil will use truth for the Great deception that was prophesied in the Bible. Website | Download

and, for those who would like to do some research into hi degree Freemason Sitchin -- here is a good start:

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/

Zecharia Sitchin's Errors:
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/sitchi1.jpg

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/sitchinerrors.htm

I'd add Maxwell to that list of NWO deceivers.

mk72

07-09-2007, 11:42 AM

thirdwave

07-09-2007, 12:53 PM

huh?!?!

are you being serious now? what word did i translate?

You have shown us all what the meaning of genes are according to your source of info... you have showed the texts of it in Greek..... and you have given means of the word and have in fact been extremely detailed in doing so.... but you have yet to provide anything that exposes this stuff as being ridiculous.....

We now all know that geneses is about "breed, in terms of the book its self...about the birth of a generation....birth...genetics..." ...great. But Tsarion was not countering what the word means in modern understanding.... he was informing how he thinks the word was put together....created.

there was once a time when the word did not exist.... understand?... likewise all our English words, which were created out of another language.

and the source is?

and the reason (according to you) is what?

I don't need a source as I have not said that it is ridiculous either way..I have remained open minded, I tend to think he is probably right given all the other facts he presents and the depth of his research.... but I'm not %100.... you are the one who is claiming to be %100.... of course I would not dream of denying you your opinion.

whatever, dude. i wouldn't be able to prove it to you even if i invented everything myself.
well proof needs to be visible in order for it to work, and you have not mad any visible, despite you efforts which have educated us all how to write geneses in Creek righting.... what genes means.... which is very close to geneses, and all the meanings and understandings of the word, in English and Greek.... but that does not prove where the word came from... only what it is used to explain. its quite clear that in school they don't teach people that it means The Genes of ISIS, or we would then all be taught that the book is about how we were genetically created by these gods.

and my purpose is not to prove to you anything. in the long run, absolutely nothing can be proven. for what does proof mean? everything is illusion.
Bingo! ..which is why its not ridiculous ;)

at least watch out for the lies. research it yourself. i told you before on this thread and you said it also. i also said that i am not against anyone, i point out the lies and their intentions when i see them. what you do with my message, is your choice. you can trash it right away if you are not pleased. i know that i have good intentions and i just don't give a fuck. peace :)

I am not doubting your intentions, just disagree with your view..... you might be right, he may have got that wrong, but I don't think there is enough facts to brush it off...

peace excepted ;)

kblood

07-09-2007, 02:05 PM

please read all my posts on this thread.

oh please, dude :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love

the Greeks invented these words before anyone else in europe could speak.

but michael tsarion was there, huh. how cool... our favorite magician can travel back in time.

you are talking about the origins of language. whatever these origins are, they are the same with the origins of mankind somehow. this has nothing to do with Tsarion's ridiculous assertions, lies and twisting of the meanings of words.

do you understand that twisting meanings like that makes it impossible for us to communicate and makes us constantly mislead? this guys is deliberately misleading people, that's what i am saying. it's my opinion, you don't have to believe me.

if we don't know our language, then all this text here and any other text ever existed, is merely impossible to be comprehended by anyone. including Tsarion's books.

i have already given the answers to those questions.
oh please, dude :)
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love
My bad... I mixed it all up. Then it must have been the Greeks who came up with the word love. Prior civilisations never had a god or goddess for love. I do not believe egyptians believied in anything like love, they simply existed for their gods, and not for themselves. In ancient Egypt I do believe that the concept of being an individual person was heresy. Everyone was simply servants and followers of the gods, wether they knew it or not.

"but michael tsarion was there, huh. how cool... our favorite magician can travel back in time."
My understanding of this Michael Tsarion is that most his "research" was done with astral travelling and other spiritual ways. Time travel is not really all that impossible if your spirit is the conduit, but seems very few know of this, although there are many things that points to this. I am not saying that Michael Tsarion was right about anything, or that he really had found some greater truth, I am just saying that his point of view is probably very different than a historians due to the ways he did things.

So much of our "common knowledge" today seems quite stupid to me. We diagnose someone with a disease, and many times they simply look up in some book and see, oh yea, we cannot cure this. Same goes for alot of things, it is simply not accepted that we found our own truths, when we already have them handed to us in books and teachings.

Most of what we find in books are probably true, or at least part true. That doesnt make me believe in it without trying to find my own logic to it. I do not accept new knowledge without there being good reasons for me to believe it. I usually take it all as assumptions, untill I find something that might contradict it, and then add the contradictions to the assumptions.

Have you found anything that you do agree with in Michael Tsarions books Bigus Dickus? It might very well all be misleading, but I rarely expect any book to contain nothing but truth. As I have written earlier, I like books the most when I know they are not even trying to tell any truth at all. I guess fiction will always be what I read most of.

father ted

07-09-2007, 03:34 PM

Guys, how long have you been on this forum? Bigus dickus is our resident debunker.

king

07-09-2007, 07:26 PM

I thought this thread is about Tsarion not Sitchen. If you have actually studied his work you would know that he has said many times that HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH SITCHEN, AND THAT SITCHEN'S WORK IS MISLEADING AND DOES NOT ADD UP.
I think I'm wasting my time on this thread because the minority of people have actually studied his work as a whole and the real question surrounding Tsarion has not even been brought up to be discussed. Because we question people like him who dabble in these things, to get an idea of where they are coming from, there are real and important things that I question about him - nobody here have even picked up on it. Changing the topic is usually a sign that people don't really know much about what are being discussed.

hey buddy, all i am trying to do is to open up your mind to the NWO sponsored/financed gang of Sitchin, Maxwell and Tsarion.
Tsarion is basing lots of his "research" on Sitchin's and Maxwell's work.
As a matter of fact -- i have a proof that Maxwell lied at least a few times. A proof. PM me if you need the proof.

I also have caught Tsarion in quite a few lies, and he changed his tune too many times depending on direction of the wind.

Think people think, who is financing them, who is pushing the agenda. Have you checked whom does Maxwell associate with? yap, big illumie movers and shakers! Whose money is proping up Tsarion's New Age religion masked as "divination arts" with occult and tarot and who knows what other BS ?

who finances multitude of his professionally designed and maintained websites? who finances the production of his professionaly mastered and scripted DVDs that must cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in production cost alone?
where did that money come from?
from selling his Atlantis books?

Where did Maxwell find 200K to promote Icke if he "sleeps on the office floor"?
Why did Icke depart from Maxwell and avoids him like a plague?

why was Tsarion pushing Crowley, occult and Blavatsky before he was exposed for what he is? Why has he stopped that and is going now in a totally different direction -- "origins of Irish civilization" and (fake) Egyptology .

Why would you trust a (former) Rosicrucian (his own admission) ?

why would you trust someone who is considering people scum/roaches in his blog and his radio interviews?
(he called people from old Icke board both and worse)

Why would you trust a self proclaimed historian who cannot even read any of old languages?

Why would you trust someone who is promoting Theosophy and Hinduism -- Base of Masonic New Age Religion?

Why would you trust someone who is always stabbing existing religion of the West -- Christianity as if he had an agenda? (he does, just like Maxwell)

when analyzing something there is one thing you MUST do -- suspend your belief and look it the issue with an open mind.

so, with that in mind -- it is besides the point if you believe in Christ or not -- there is an agenda to destroy Christianity so that religion for "New Age" can take place of Christianity, that is; the old religion must be destroyed so that new can be shoved upon the mases. My gut feeling is that this is Tsarion's primary job, just like Maxwell's and Sitchins. They all do the same, using different methods, at slightly different levels for different types pf people.
Unfortunatelly, many of the people do not even see the trap that is setup. See, belief system is very difficult to change, and belief system has to be changed if NWO is to succeed with their plans. But, you cannot change it with force, as doing so it reinforces whatever the belief. So, you have to do it by cunningness, by first "exposing the old" while simultaneously introducing the new ideas that will form a new belief system.
and only when majority of the people have their system replaced -- can NWO plans have a chance of succeeding.

at that time NWO can use black helicopters and police to eradicate Christians who will become so stigmatized as Saddam is nowadays.

I must admit that this is brilliantly devious plan!

Why would you want to involve people in paganism/tarot/wicca when practicing those is designed to
keep you in lower vibration.

suppressing of the consciousness maybe?

follower

07-09-2007, 07:38 PM

He pieces information from several sources together very well, but he makes u alot of stuff too, especially when it comes to the etymology of words....

like when he says that tarot and torah both come from the root word of an ancient godess named tarut.....

follower

07-09-2007, 07:45 PM

of course i do.

you are missing the point. i have not said that alien visitation is "outrageous". that's your own assumption. nor that the subjects he is talking about are "crazy" or whatever. i have read lots of science fiction stories that would seem crazy and outrageous and i can make up new theories myself with the ease that he does. that's not the point.

the point all along has been that there is a hidden agenda behind all this and a great deal of disinformation.

for example: he says that this guys name was yada which means (inserts a totally false meaning that he made up), therefore his purpose was to blah blah and this parallels with this other myth that says blah blah.

and what's left in the end, is that magic is cool and that people should start looking into it to find the truth and of course buy his DVD pack that is filled with this nonsense.

that's my opinion and if i am a DICK for saying it, so be it. i am not going to waste more time with this ...divination scholar. it's your money after all, not mine.

This is exactly how I see it, he has some good insight, but he likes to push the work on his websites too much for my liking.

Your certainly not a dick for telling it like it is.

king

07-09-2007, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by bigus_dickus;

you are missing the point. i have not said that alien visitation is "outrageous". that's your own assumption. nor that the subjects he is talking about are "crazy" or whatever. i have read lots of science fiction stories that would seem crazy and outrageous and i can make up new theories myself with the ease that he does. that's not the point.

the point all along has been that there is a hidden agenda behind all this and a great deal of disinformation.

absolutely true!
i feel too that i can put bunch of theories of my own in a sellable package and peddle the "information" in any direction that i want, as long as i to keep people intrigued.
I can even shove the fear on people by "exposing" what my bosses want "exposed" (read changed)
By doing so i can help destroy old beliefs and instill new ideas that will eventually form new beliefs that my paymasters want to instill on mases.

And i am sure many other people are capable of the same.

and yes, I also can see that there is an hidden agenda, because having so many people pushing the same flavor of agenda cannot be just a coincidence.

it took me while to understand why they had to destroy Christianity, but now is very clear to me, as i wrote in previous post.
Again, Christianity is a major obstacle for NWO plans, because that is a belief that they need to either change or destroy if they are to take over the world.
and that is the most difficult thing to do -- replace a belief!
so..... because of above mentioned, the worse is yet to come when PTBs decide that they need to use the force to change the belief. And we should know how difficult beliefs are to change by tying to talk sense to those who do not want to wake up.

It is pretty simple really, once you understand how human mind works. That is why we live in the times ow war on mind.
we have to wise up really quick and keep those BS detectors in fine tune.

mada88

07-09-2007, 09:11 PM

Does anyone have the link of the rant with Mahabarat?

monique

07-09-2007, 11:38 PM

Ask Wonder Woman.

mada88

07-09-2007, 11:48 PM

where might I find this wonder woman?

monique

07-09-2007, 11:55 PM

Try Illusions or Ciggy's forum.

john white

08-09-2007, 12:01 AM

Does anyone have the link of the rant with Mahabarat?

And what a hysterical load of bollocks the over-reaction to that was! Maha certainly doesnt give a damn... and as usual the "holier than thou" conspirapuritan crowd had no sense of proportion, and didnt give a damn that it was in the RANT section of Tsarions blog where the whole idea was to have a RANT for emotional catharsis!

Too difficult a concept for primary schhol children, obviously

Its almost as bad as the rattle-out-of-the-pram shit storm when Icke asked for subscribers for his newsletter, and lambasted people for being quite happy to get it for nothing but indolent and indifferent to the idea of paying 75p an issue for it!

Whereas me, I dont get icke's newsletter as I dont do anything direct debit, and have never spent a penny on tsarions material

But I do take responsibility for my own choices without hysteronic outbursts or needless fears becuase someone wrote a book!

Heres something though, for those who fear Tsarion or Tarot cards or whatever

Its not the outside you fear: its the inside: it is mental projection of fear of yourself!

bigus_dickus

08-09-2007, 12:20 AM

i didn't even get into the 'deep' stuff that others (king) have mentioned, like the influences of the works of madame Blavatsky that made so many people obsessed. one of them is Adolf Hitler, who got literally brainwashed by Guido von List and especially Lanz von Liebenfels. Hitler might have been foolish, but he was innocent in his foolishness, because he was nothing but a pawn of those so-called "Illuminati" who still exist and still go on spreading propaganda orchestrating wars and conflicts.

Foundation of Theosophical Society

While living in New York City, she founded the Theosophical Society in September 1875, with Henry Steel Olcott, William Quan Judge and others. Madame Blavatsky wrote that all religions were both true in their inner teachings and problematic or imperfect in their external conventional manifestations. Her writings connecting esoteric spiritual knowledge with new science may be considered to be the first instance of what is now called New Age thinking. In fact, many researchers feel that much of New Age thought started with Blavatsky.
Helena Blavatsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

here is an essay on how Hitler got involved with the occult, based on the same material that Tsarion pushes, which as we all know resulted to World War. a world war based on total bullshit, like every war ever made.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/hitler-occult.htm

as for my example, it was just a clue, just a small example as i said.you challenged me to back it up, i did. it is not a proof of anything, but i assumed it would be OBVIOUS to anyone capable of thinking, that a word coined in 1905 is impossible to be a root word. all you had to do was open a fucking dictionary, any dictionary you could find. you could, for example, type in a tab: www.dictionary.com

moreover, etymology means the study of history of words and not mere translation as you may think. since the example i mentioned was of a Greek word which is borrowed in your language, i would trace its Greek origins. there is no other language that it originates from, because as you will see, the Greek language is pretty much original.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gene
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/genesis
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/isis
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/demeter
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ceres

as for the origins of language, nobody really knows what are the origins of the Greek language. the Indo-European origin is a myth, a theory. the Greek language can be traced way way back and in some point the traces disappear into the depth of time.

there are some people who even believe that the ancient Greeks originate from 'elsewhere' in the universe, but i am not even going there. it's too controversial and there is not much evidence apart from the language, the ancient civilization and the mythology.

there is also hard evidence discovered in Greece of 'standing man' that dates 11,000,000 years BC. of course, this unearthed knowledge remains unknown, since you have never heard about it. you want conspiracies? you get conspiracies. here is another interesting essay about the Indo-Europeans myth and the origins of mankind:

http://www.grecoreport.com/indo-europeans_the_invisible_race.htm

suffice to say that much of Tsarion's theories are derivations from Maxwell's absurdities, a self proclaimed occultist and 'scholar', who works for the New World Order agenda and i (and some others) have exposed many times on this forum. the whole astro-theology propaganda that they promote, is aimed to get as many people as possible interested to astrology, magic, fortune telling, tarot and all the rest New Age hogwash and propaganda.

this propaganda is deliberately aimed towards Christianity for several reasons.

1. to discredit it and convert Christians to the New Age religion
2. to 'prove' that the Christian religion (and all the subsequents) are about astrology and magic
3. to create controversy which would make them and their bosses rich
4. to promote their imaginary 'leader', Lucifer (the Sun)

i have studied Tsarion's and Maxwell's material with great interest and there is absolutely nothing i can learn from them. on the contrary, i am able to smash them bitches like cockroaches for intending to deceive and confuse people with their "Illuminati" propaganda.

'nuff said for today

monique

08-09-2007, 12:24 AM

Heres something though, for those who fear Tsarion or Tarot cards or whatever

Its not the outside you fear: its the inside: it is mental projection of fear of yourself!

Your new age rethoric is wasted on me, JW.

I don't fear the tarot, I've used it for many years untill I realised what the dynamics behind it are.
Nor do I fear Tsarion, that is YOUR assumption. I wonder why. :rolleyes:

bigus_dickus

08-09-2007, 12:51 AM

and another thing: thank God, David Icke is not one of them.

i assume he started being attacked (the known problems) by the time he apostatized from them, but the man has proven to have balls. i assume it's too late for them now.

john white

08-09-2007, 01:01 AM

Your new age rethoric is wasted on me, JW.

I don't fear the tarot, I've used it for many years untill I realised what the dynamics behind it are.
Nor do I fear Tsarion, that is YOUR assumption. I wonder why.

In your case, you clearly fear "the power behind your (ex and crispy) tarot cards": after all, you've twice now said so: and its YOUR assumption I assumed YOU were frightened of Tsarion, by taking a general thread comment and egotistically imagining it was aimed directly at you.

I wonder why? :rolleyes: LOL!

This post, however, IS aimed directly at you: hence the quote box thing to make it clear I am specifically replying to you

furthermore:

"my new age rhetoric"?

Well don't read it then

No point whinging to me about your choices, is there?

Theres an ignore function if your really bothered

'Course, I dont suppose you care to define your OWN spiritual "non new-age rhetoric" position?

I suspect you will not: theres few posters round here with real guts: though I'm happy to count biggus diccus as one of them

mada88

08-09-2007, 01:15 AM

wheres the link of the rant! come on there must be someone who can be bothered to post the link please :D

father ted

08-09-2007, 01:20 AM

There was a massive (and very entertaining) rant on his old blog, insightfull to. That's not up anymore. I'm not sure if that's the one they're talking about, if it's a different rant, than I too would like a link please!

monique

08-09-2007, 01:27 AM

Whatever you say John. *yawn*

john white

08-09-2007, 01:32 AM

Whatever you say John. *yawn*

'Course, I dont suppose you care to define your OWN spiritual "non new-age rhetoric" position?

Thats a "no" then

At least Tsarion states his views, however out of whack they may or may not be

lifeofbrian

08-09-2007, 03:52 AM

At least Tsarion states his views, however out of whack they may or may not be

I agree with you, that's what Michael Tsarion does. By writing and publishing his views, he is offering an alternative point of view. We are all allowed to dwell on different views. Writers; historians, philosophers, the clergy, scientists, laymen, all have added to the wealth of literature we have in our day and age, to enjoy and ponder, and ideally, openmindedly talk about and gather around. The information has become the new camp-fire.

This is a very interesting thread joss initiated. My contribution was mentioning the Epic of Gilgamesh, which appearantly the earliest known 'source' dwelling on spirituality and religious concepts, life and death, immortality, what a human is vs what a god is, friendship - example given is the one between the King Gilgamesh and the 'primitive' commoner Enkidu, the differences between genders, the folly of youth vs the wisdom of old age, and 'the process of maturing' for which the new term is ascension. :)

The most famous mention of Atlantis is by Plato. Plato dealt with the world of ideas. The desire to know the origins of 'everything' is the first step in reaching self-knowledge. Plato would most likely be familiar with the legends of Mesopotamia (Atlantis), and not only the battle between the Sumerians and the Babylonians but the famous 'Flood'. The legend of the Flood is a multileveled myth, and can be seen as everything from the physical birth with 'water breaking' - 'he who found life' - to an actual geological event. The intelligence with which the ancient writers created their stories was outstanding, and I would guess they had a great deal of understanding about the mechanisms of teaching and passing on of wisdom. Instead of lecturing about the relationships between a man and a woman, a husband and a wife, sex and love, the highly mysterious and scary "where do babies come from", educational stories were told as inspiration for them to have a foundation of basic knowledge/theory when they themselves built an identity on their path in life. The Epic of Gilgamesh is about meeting people and through those meetings understanding the human nature and devlopment, with warts and all.

I baffles me that Bible-believers do not know that the stories from Mesopotamia is what came before the Hebrew and Greek 'origins'. Oh well.

What seems common then as it does today, is the tendency to take a lot personally, in every way. The hero stories must be about 'me'. 'I am' from the Gods or God. The God Father and the God Mother. Therefore, 'my' homeland must be 'the' Atlantis. 'My' origin and interpretation is 'the' origin and 'the' truth, for everybody!

It's part of growing up, maturing, and it's why people bicker over which individual 'truth' can be applied to all and sundry. Walking the ego path until it reaches its cul-de-sac.

It is interesting that old people in society (experience) are being isolated in today's world and the focus is on youth (lack of experience). Old people know a lot about life and are mature, 'ascended', well some are, those who didn't cling to the one-sided stories of childhood or were stifled by their family or environment, made busy to fight some injustice for the rest of their lives, or defending some internal psychological or emotional hang-up, often through externalisation. Regular old people tell a lot of wisdom through their stories, however mundane they might seem. Alright, they are maybe not pretty to look at, with wrinkles and funny clothes, but appearances is not everything.

If Michael Tsarion is convinced that his origin, his ancestry, is the 'real' Atlantis, then he should be allowed to have that point of view.

IMHO.

cheeb

08-09-2007, 04:03 AM

Interesting,
Plato was not an eyewitness to Atlantis,
He wrote about it 500 years after the event,
An Analogy:
Like you writing about cortez in S America,
Mythological Weaving!!!

;)

lifeofbrian

08-09-2007, 04:08 AM

Interesting,
Plato was not an eyewitness to Atlantis,
He wrote about it 500 years after the event,
An Analogy:
Like you writing about cortez in S America,
Mythological Weaving!!!

;)

Touché. :)

cheeb

08-09-2007, 04:18 AM

[QUOTE=lifeofbrian;119633]Touché. :)[/QUOT

Not to dismiss Plato's writing at all,
But it is hard work,
Different age and all that!!!!
:D

lifeofbrian

08-09-2007, 06:12 AM

Touché. :)

Not to dismiss Plato's writing at all,
But it is hard work,
Different age and all that!!!!
:D

The statements made by both Plato and Plotinus that 'the philosopher must view/see/look at everything, ergo 'know' all' can be traced back to the first line in the Epic of Gilgamesh. Neither the Egyptian, the Hebrew, nor the Greek, took their ideas out of thin air, they too found inspiration in earlier sources. I recommend reading a book by Sara Denning-Bolle,

Wisdom in Akkadian Literature: Expression, Instruction, Dialogue, or
The Gilgamesh Epic and Homer by GK Gresseth, article in Classical Journal 70 (1974-75), or
Gender and Aging in Mesopotamia: The Gilgamesh Epic and Other Ancient Literature, by R Harris, or
The Yahwist's Primeval Myth, Gilgamesh: A Reader, by Bernard F Batto, or
The Assyrian Tree of Life: Tracing the Origins of Jewish Monotheism and Greek Philosophy, by Simo Parpola, or
God's Battle with Monster: A Study in Biblical Imagery, by Mary K Wakeman
Parallels between The Gilgamesh Epic and Plato's Symposium, by GF Held,

just to mention a mere fraction of all the existing research already available to anyone interested in what people have been pondering and trying to come to terms with throughout the ages. :)

some links on the subject

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/GILG.HTM

the tablets - incomplete in English as no ref's to translations/symbolism (like 'serpents' and 'dragons')

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/serpents_dragons/gilgamesh.htm

Back on-topic, Tsarion is no doubt very well read, and has a good grasp of Jungian Psychology and Alchemy. His angle is maybe for those interested in the symbolic interpretation of our world, somewhat leaning more towards the subjective (inner expressions of ego and the shadow) rather than the objective? Not sure if he has stated his intentions on this, so just airing my impression.

Anyway, his books are a good read, imo.

king

08-09-2007, 08:32 PM

i didn't even get into the 'deep' stuff that others (king) have mentioned, like the influences of the works of madame Blavatsky that made so many people obsessed. one of them is Adolf Hitler, who got literally brainwashed by Guido von List and especially Lanz von Liebenfels. Hitler might have been foolish, but he was innocent in his foolishness, because he was nothing but a pawn of those so-called "Illuminati" who still exist and still go on spreading propaganda orchestrating wars and conflicts.

Foundation of Theosophical Society

While living in New York City, she founded the Theosophical Society in September 1875, with Henry Steel Olcott, William Quan Judge and others. Madame Blavatsky wrote that all religions were both true in their inner teachings and problematic or imperfect in their external conventional manifestations. Her writings connecting esoteric spiritual knowledge with new science may be considered to be the first instance of what is now called New Age thinking. In fact, many researchers feel that much of New Age thought started with Blavatsky.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Petrovna_Blavatsky

here is an essay on how Hitler got involved with the occult, based on the same material that Tsarion pushes, which as we all know resulted to World War. a world war based on total bullshit, like every war ever made.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/hitler-occult.htm

as for my example, it was just a clue, just a small example as i said.you challenged me to back it up, i did. it is not a proof of anything, but i assumed it would be OBVIOUS to anyone capable of thinking, that a word coined in 1905 is impossible to be a root word. all you had to do was open a fucking dictionary, any dictionary you could find. you could, for example, type in a tab: www.dictionary.com

moreover, etymology means the study of history of words and not mere translation as you may think. since the example i mentioned was of a Greek word which is borrowed in your language, i would trace its Greek origins. there is no other language that it originates from, because as you will see, the Greek language is pretty much original.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gene
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/genesis
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/isis
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/demeter
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ceres

as for the origins of language, nobody really knows what are the origins of the Greek language. the Indo-European origin is a myth, a theory. the Greek language can be traced way way back and in some point the traces disappear into the depth of time.

there are some people who even believe that the ancient Greeks originate from 'elsewhere' in the universe, but i am not even going there. it's too controversial and there is not much evidence apart from the language, the ancient civilization and the mythology.

there is also hard evidence discovered in Greece of 'standing man' that dates 11,000,000 years BC. of course, this unearthed knowledge remains unknown, since you have never heard about it. you want conspiracies? you get conspiracies. here is another interesting essay about the Indo-Europeans myth and the origins of mankind:

http://www.grecoreport.com/indo-europeans_the_invisible_race.htm

suffice to say that much of Tsarion's theories are derivations from Maxwell's absurdities, a self proclaimed occultist and 'scholar', who works for the New World Order agenda and i (and some others) have exposed many times on this forum. the whole astro-theology propaganda that they promote, is aimed to get as many people as possible interested to astrology, magic, fortune telling, tarot and all the rest New Age hogwash and propaganda.

this propaganda is deliberately aimed towards Christianity for several reasons.

1. to discredit it and convert Christians to the New Age religion
2. to 'prove' that the Christian religion (and all the subsequents) are about astrology and magic
3. to create controversy which would make them and their bosses rich
4. to promote their imaginary 'leader', Lucifer (the Sun)

how fucken brilliant! you are brilliant buddy!
:)

i have studied Tsarion's and Maxwell's material with great interest and there is absolutely nothing i can learn from them. on the contrary, i am able to smash them bitches like cockroaches for intending to deceive and confuse people with their "Illuminati" propaganda.

'nuff said for today
and you have done wonderful job in exposing them illumie/Luciferian servants
and smashing them like roaches. A while back I did a check up on one of Maxwell's claims on origin of some word that I felt it was BS, and i have discovered that he made the shit up. When i started checking some other claims of his -- quite a few were impossible to substantiate! Since Tsarion builds upon Maxwel's propaganda ... ops "knowledge" it is pretty clear to me in Tsarion's work as where are his ideas coming from.

I just cannot understand how some who appear to be smart people are still buying this crap that comes out from Maxwell/Tsarion and Sitchin disinformation factory?!

and all of them have one thing in common -- destruction of Christianity.
If Christianity an illuminati religion, which means under their control -- why the fuck would they want to dsetroy it?

the answer it -- it isn't and reason for the destruction are like you and i have listed.

lifeofbrian

08-09-2007, 09:22 PM

how fucken brilliant! you are brilliant buddy!
:)

and you have done wonderful job in exposing them illumie/Luciferian servants
and smashing them like roaches. A while back I did a check up on one of Maxwell's claims on origin of some word that I felt it was BS, and i have discovered that he made the shit up. When i started checking some other claims of his -- quite a few were impossible to substantiate! Since Tsarion builds upon Maxwel's propaganda ... ops "knowledge" it is pretty clear to me in Tsarion's work as where are his ideas coming from.

I just cannot understand how some who appear to be smart people are still buying this crap that comes out from Maxwell/Tsarion and Sitchin disinformation factory?!

and all of them have one thing in common -- destruction of Christianity.
If Christianity an illuminati religion, which means under their control -- why the fuck would they want to dsetroy it?

the answer it -- it isn't and reason for the destruction are like you and i have listed.

Christianity is part of the New Age/End Game Plan too.

It is designed to be the twist, the sting in the tale. Some say it's the Trojan Horse. The last scene in the victimizer-victim (Christians are perfect victims) drama:

By making the New Age movement seemingly opposed to Christianity, just like Freemasonry is supposedly opposed to Christianity, oppo-sames, they can safely continue with the reeling in of people previously opposed to Christianity, whilst the rest side with the Christians. What will transpire is the 'coming' of a 'Savior' telling people that Jesus Christ of Christianity is the 'Love' and 'Father' and 'Source of the Life Force' embodying everyone, that we are 'all One in Christ' - just like Paul says in the Bible.

Read that again: 'All One in Christ'. One. Christ Consciousness. Oneness. Your New Lord has arrived. Now bow and Obey. As a sign of your 'love' and 'oneness' here's a chip for ya so 'Christ' can be 'one' with you directly. What do you fear? 'Love!?'

Educate yourselves. Read the road-map; the Bible.

Hairsplitting over words is entertaining, Tower of Babel, but not if you miss the big picture.

You reckon Christianity 'accidently' survived in a world run by control freaks and is now the major religion in the world? Think again.