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accuracy
06-11-2009, 11:27 AM
This story just gets weirder and weirder.

Posted at: 11/06/2009 3:05 AM
By APRIL CASTRO and DEVLIN BARRETT

(AP) FORT HOOD, Texas - A military official says one more person has died after being injured during a shooting rampage at Fort Hood in Texas.

Post spokesman Tyler Broadway said early Friday that the toll now stands at 13 dead and 30 wounded. Late Thursday, officials said 12 people had been killed and 31 wounded in the afternoon attack.

The victims’ identities haven’t been released.

The suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, was on a ventilator and unconscious in a hospital late Thursday. The Army psychiatrist was shot four times after the rampage began around 1:30 p.m.

The motive for the shootings isn’t clear, but Hasan was apparently set to deploy soon. He also had expressed some anger about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP’s earlier story is below.

FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) _ Military officials were starting Friday to piece together what may have pushed an Army psychiatrist trained to help soldiers in distress to turn on his comrades in a shooting rampage that killed 12 people and wounded 31 in Texas.

The suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, was on a ventilator and unconscious in a hospital after being shot four times during the shootings at the Army’s sprawling Fort Hood, post officials said. In the early chaos after the shootings, authorities believed they had killed him, only to discover later that he had survived.

In Washington, a senior U.S. official said authorities at Fort Hood initially thought one of the victims who had been shot and killed was the shooter. The mistake resulted in a delay of several hours in identifying Hasan as the alleged assailant.

Authorities have not ruled out that Hasan was acting on behalf of some unidentified radical group, the official said. He would not say whether any evidence had come to light to support that theory.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss matters that were under investigation.

Officials are not ruling out the possibility that some of the casualties may have been victims of "friendly fire," that in the mayhem and confusion at the shooting scene some of the responding military officials may have shot some of the victims.

The gunfire broke out around 1:30 p.m. at the Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening. Nearby, some soldiers were readying to head into a graduation ceremony for troops and families who had recently earned degrees.

Pastor Greg Schannep had just parked his car along the side of the theater and was about to head into the ceremony when a man in uniform approached him.

"Sir, they are opening fire over there!" the man told him. At first, he thought it was a training exercise _ then heard three volleys and saw people running. As the man who warned him about the shots ran away, he could see the man’s back was bloodied from a wound.

Schannep said police and medical and other emergency personnel were on the scene in an instant, telling people to get inside the theater. The post went into lockdown while a search began for a suspect and emergency workers began trying to treat the wounded. Some soldiers rushed to treat their injured colleagues by ripping their uniforms into makeshift bandages to treat their wounds.

Fort Hood Lt. Gen. Bob Cone praised the soldiers for their quick reaction.

"God bless these soldiers," Cone said. "As horrible as this was it could have been worse."

Video from the scene showed police patrolling the area with handguns and rifles, ducking behind buildings for cover. Sirens could be heard wailing while a woman’s voice on a public-address system urged people to take cover. Schools on the base went into lockdown, and family members trying to find out what was happening inside found cell phone lines jammed or busy.

"I was confused and just shocked," said Spc. Jerry Richard, 27, who works at the center but was not on duty during the shooting. "Overseas you are ready for it. But here you can’t even defend yourself."

The wounded were dispersed among hospitals in central Texas, Cone said. Their identities and the identities of the dead were not immediately released.

Jamie and Scotty Casteel stood outside the emergency room at the hospital in Temple waiting for news of their son-in-law Matthew Cooke, who was among the injured.

"He’s been shot in the abdomen and that’s all we know," Jamie Casteel told The Associated Press. She said Cook, from New York state, had been home from Iraq for about a year.

Amber Bahr, 19, was shot in the stomach but was in stable condition, said her mother, Lisa Pfund of Random Lake, Wis.

"We know nothing, just that she was shot in the belly," Pfund said. She couldn’t provide more details and only spoke with emergency personnel.

Ashley Saucedo told WOOD-TV in Michigan that her husband was shot in the arm, but she couldn’t discuss specifics. Saucedo said she and the couple’s two children weren’t permitted to leave their home at Fort Hood during the shootings.

The motive for the shooting wasn’t clear, but Hasan was apparently set to deploy soon, and had expressed some anger about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said generals at Fort Hood told her that Hasan was about to deploy overseas. Retired Col. Terry Lee, who said he had worked with Hasan, told Fox News he was being sent to Afghanistan.

Lee said Hasan had hoped Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq and got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars.

For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing a career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

But his record wasn’t sterling. At Walter Reed, he received a poor performance evaluation, according to an official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly. And while he was an intern, Hasan had some "difficulties" that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time.

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

Investigators had not determined for certain whether Hasan was the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case.

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Associated Press Writer Lara Jakes contributed to this report from Washington.

(Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
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http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1235603.shtml?cat=500

accuracy
06-11-2009, 11:37 AM
AP sources: Authorities had concerns about suspect

By LARA JAKES (AP) – 9 hours ago

WASHINGTON — Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Military officials say the suspected shooter at Fort Hood was a psychiatrist at Walter Reed Army Medical Center for six years before being transferred to the Texas base in July.

The officials had access to Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's military record. They said he received a poor performance evaluation while at Walter Reed.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because military records are confidential.

The Virginia-born soldier was single with no children. He was 39 years old.

He is a graduate of Virginia Tech University, where he was a member of the ROTC and earned a bachelor's degree in biochemistry in 1997. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001. At Walter Reed, he did his internship, residency and a fellowship.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Quote from another site.
So, what today's shooting demonstrates is that all the constant surveillance of our mails and internet postings is totally useless.

I mean, isn't the justification for the destruction of the Bill of Rights, the spying, the reading of our emails and net posts, the eavesdropping of our phone calls, based on the premise that we will be safe from acts of terror?

And doesn't today's shooting prove that none of it works?

Restore the Bill of Rights!

accuracy
06-11-2009, 11:44 AM
Surviving Fort Hood shooting suspect arrested at golf course, officer says

Hmmmmm

November 5, 2009 6:34 p.m. EST

CNN) -- A senior officer who was playing golf Thursday near Fort Hood, Texas, told CNN he witnessed the arrest of one of the two surviving suspects of the shooting at the Army installation.

Shortly after the shooting, the officer said, military police told him to clear the course and he saw other MPs surround the building that held the golf carts, he said.

The senior officer said he ducked into a nearby house for cover as 30 to 40 cars carrying MPs approached.

He said he saw a soldier in battle-dress uniform, his hands in the air. The MPs ordered him to lie on the ground and open his uniform, presumably to ensure he was not carrying explosives, the senior officer said.

He said an MP told him that authorities considered the man to be a suspect in the shootings after having overheard the man say he was with the shooter.

The man was surrounded for 25 to 30 minutes, until a convoy of vehicles arrived, led by a Ford Crown Victoria and carrying men in suits, and he was taken away, the senior officer said.

The golf course is about 2.5 miles from Fort Hood, the officer told CNN.

CNN's Kay Jones contributed to this story
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/05/texas.fort.hood.witnesses/

accuracy
06-11-2009, 12:01 PM
Malik Nadal Hassan: Key Details Emerge About Fort Hood Shooting Suspect

From another site: WRH
No mention of the names and backgrounds of the other two suspects who are still alive.

The focus is on Hasan.

This is a staged incident.

BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE | 11/ 5/09 11:16 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/05/malik-nadal-hasan-fort-ho_n_347620.html

accuracy
06-11-2009, 12:24 PM
Gunman kills 12, wounds 31 at Fort Hood

From the site WRH.
One shooter dead, two others in custody.

The dead shooter is Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

And I repeat this reeks of being a setup.

Army psychiatrist identified as attacker is captured alive, general says

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NBC News and msnbc.com
updated 10:48 p.m. ET Nov. 5, 2009
An Army psychiatrist who opened fire at Fort Hood, Texas, killing 12 people and wounding 31 others, was shot but captured alive, military officials said late Thursday.

The gunman, identified as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, was wounded at the scene but was captured alive and was in stable condition, Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone, commanding general of the Army’s III Corps, said at a press conference late Thursday.

Eleven of the victims died at the scene, military officials said. A 12th died later at a hospital, NBC station KCEN-TV of Waco reported. Cone said that most of those who were shot were military but two were civilians.

Cone also said that a female officer who was thought to be the first responder shot Hasan and was herself wounded and had undergone surgery at a hospital. It was not clear if the officer was a military policewoman or a civilian officer.

Col. Ben Danner said the suspect was shot at least four times. "I would say his death is not imminent," Cone said, adding that Hasan was in custody at a hospital.

It initially was reported that Hasan had been killed at the scene. But Cone said at the press conference that Hasan had been in custody since the incident occurred, and there was no explanation of the earlier report.

Poor performance evaluation
U.S. officials said Hasan was an Army psychiatrist, NBC News reported. Defense officials said Hasan, 39, arrived at Fort Hood in July after practicing for six years at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, which included a fellowship in disaster and preventive psychiatry.

At Walter Reed, Hasan received a poor performance evaluation, according to an official who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

There was no official word on motive. But Hasan was scheduled to be deployed overseas on Nov. 28, officials said. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said military officials had told her that Hasan was “pretty upset” about his deployment, which she said was to be to Iraq.

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cstsonline.org
Maj. Nidal Malik Hassan was described as ‘upset’ about his pending deployment to Iraq.

The Associated Press, quoting federal law enforcement officials, said Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats. The officials said they were still trying to confirm that he was the author.

Medical records on file in Virginia, where Hasan was born and was registered to practice, and Maryland, where he received his medical degree at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, revealed no disciplinary actions or formal complaints.

Two handguns used
Cone said the gunman used two handguns. He said that military officials believed that there was a single shooter.

Two other soldiers were taken into custody after the shooting, but Rep. John Carter, R-Texas, said they were released.

A senior administration official told NBC News that the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.

Military and local hospital officials said the victims were a mixture of men and women, military and civilian. At least four local SWAT officers were among those wounded, KCEN reported.

‘They shot me!’
Among the wounded was Pfc. Keara Bono, 21, of Independence, Mo., who was shot in the shoulder. She called her mother, Peggy McCarty, to let her know she would be OK.

Bono, who works with soldiers dealing with stress, arrived in Fort Hood only Wednesday from her previous posting in Topeka, Kan., NBC station KSN-TV of Wichita, Kan., reported. Her brother, Dustin, told the Kansas City Star that Bono was “mad more than anything.”

“They shot me! And I’m still here in this country!” Dustin Bono quoted his sister as saying.

Robin Geiser of Random Lake, Wis., said her 24-year-old son, who commands soldiers at Fort Hood, knew some of the victims. He had been scheduled to be in the readiness center Thursday ahead of his deployment in January, but he was spared because his day’s orders were changed and he was on the training ground, instead, Geiser said.

“I was terrified come January,” Geiser told NBC station WTMJ-TV of Milwaukee. “I’m doubly worried now. If you can’t be safe here ...”

Geiser said that in conversations with her son, he told her that “there’s a lot of anger in a lot of these soldiers.”

“Who knows what it stems from?” she asked.

Reminders of 1991 massacre
Fort Hood, one of the largest military complexes in the world, was put on lockdown until about 7 p.m. ET, as were schools in the area. Dozens of agents of the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives responded to the post, federal officials said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

accuracy
07-11-2009, 11:41 AM
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accuracy
07-11-2009, 11:46 AM
How many shooters were there at Fort Hood????


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RxKSXFTcTU

Ian2day
07-11-2009, 08:45 PM
Mind CONtrol. Who has the power to do this.

accuracy
09-11-2009, 10:15 AM
Surprise, Surprise - Ft Hood Shooter 'Linked' To 9-11 Terrorists

Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a "spiritual adviser" to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6521758/Fort-Hood-shooting-Texas-army-killer-linked-to-September-11-terrorists.html

thelyran
09-11-2009, 11:55 AM
...this I don't understand,on recruit course,when we used the firing range,
there was a corporal/lance or sergeant,marking,2-3 soldiers,in case one goes "haywire",and they promptly put a bullet through you...First day,I screwed up,as once they give the command "action",you fire down range at the target...well,the platoon leader,added an extra command "fire",which we generally don't use,and I was drilled for "action".So fired my SLR-L1Al...
corporal had a 9mm Browning to the back of my right ear,in an instant,"What the fuck are you doing Pte _________".There was no room for error...and explained myself,adding corporal at the end of each sentance of course,pretty quickly,which he admitted and concurred,as he was the my platoon leader....their mistake,which could've cost me dearly.
...They should've jumped this guy quicker,but still,the policy of "Bastardisation",still exist,and we had two suicide attempts in my platoon,
...bad days in the military back then,regards.

marpat
09-11-2009, 03:08 PM
...this I don't understand,on recruit course,when we used the firing range,
there was a corporal/lance or sergeant,marking,2-3 soldiers,in case one goes "haywire",and they promptly put a bullet through you...First day,I screwed up,as once they give the command "action",you fire down range at the target...well,the platoon leader,added an extra command "fire",which we generally don't use,and I was drilled for "action".So fired my SLR-L1Al...
corporal had a 9mm Browning to the back of my right ear,in an instant,"What the fuck are you doing Pte _________".There was no room for error...and explained myself,adding corporal at the end of each sentance of course,pretty quickly,which he admitted and concurred,as he was the my platoon leader....their mistake,which could've cost me dearly.
...They should've jumped this guy quicker,but still,the policy of "Bastardisation",still exist,and we had two suicide attempts in my platoon,
...bad days in the military back then,regards.

People at the fort were saying that the only people who carry weapons there are military police. If they dont respond quickly then there is little to stop him.

I have never heard of it being done like you claim and I have never heard of NCO's carrying pistols on ranges to deal with incidents like that, although there have been a number of times when people have turned their gun on somebody.

Why would they use the wrong command? was it a trick to see if you would respond? if it was then that was out of line because you could have been done for ND.

thelyran
09-11-2009, 03:22 PM
People at the fort were saying that the only people who carry weapons there are military police. If they dont respond quickly then there is little to stop him.

I have never heard of it being done like you claim and I have never heard of NCO's carrying pistols on ranges to deal with incidents like that, although there have been a number of times when people have turned their gun on somebody.

Why would they use the wrong command? was it a trick to see if you would respond? if it was then that was out of line because you could have been done for ND.


.you're very correct Marpat,it was a small platoon,I was the youngest,17 and 4 months,and I was'nt performing well at that time,homesick and emotional.
I suspect,in their eyes,I posed the greatest threat.But a jewish man,of 20,did crack...and threatened to shoot.He got taken off,bashed I hear,...but was relieved of service,permanently.I did'nt follow up,and sighed with relief,than God,it isn't me.I cried twice actually,on parade ground...the women soldiers looked after me later,and the corporal threatened to charge me with homosexuality,if I touched her:confused::D...think he liked her,but my greens were tight,and was pretty cute back then;)

...this was at Holdsworthy barracks,1987,and the policy of Bastardization was yet to be an issue.That is what breaks them,unfortunately,I don't site race as an issue,even though they installed in me,well attempted,to install a hatred of the Indonesians...whom,they said will face next.I was'nt in the forces,by the time East Timor,came around.

...Our policy is fall back to the Brisbane Line,let the Northern Territory eat them up...hmmm,should I be saying this?...well,at least I'm honest.I was just a boy Marpat,unwilling too.But came good and hard within a year...to my father detriment...as a Neglect of Duty...I was'nt going to question it,plus I had to focus and learn,I was off with the fairies mostly,and quite literally mean that...Take care,Jase.

thelyran
09-11-2009, 07:18 PM
...last thing Marpat,maybe our extra precautions prevent these events from ever occurring....just a thought.

accuracy
11-11-2009, 10:05 AM
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