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cleft_asunder
05-09-2007, 07:45 PM
Having read parts of The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle in .pdf format, I wanted to buy the full book on Amazon. To my surprise, I found he has a new book out called A New Earth. The title was enough to spark my interest. Could Tolle, who lives enlightenment, be talking about the awakening of humankind to it's true self, and the transformation of the hell that is Earth to a paradise? The implications of this would be profound, because I don't know of anyone else who is Enlightened who talks about what is in store for us in the future, because teachers of enlightenment seldom focus on the future. The last thing we need is somebody telling us that something is coming in the future, which dis-empowers us in the present.

Well Tolle certainly focuses on the ego, emotion, the pain-body and the present throughout 95% of this book. In the other 5%, he talks about how humanity is undergoing a radical transformation --or more specifically a reconnection to our identity-- out of which a new Earth will emerge. What's important to note is that he tries very hard to avoid saying that this awakening will happen in the future, but rather now. The future, of course, is hypothetical, and it never arrives.

Awakened Doing
Page 293.

"Awakened doing is the outer aspect of the next stage in the evolution of consciousness on our planet. The closer we get to the end of our present evolutionary stage, the more dysfunctional the ego becomes, in the same way that a caterpillar becomes dysfunctional just before it transforms into a butterfly. But the new consciousness is arising even as the old dissolves."

"We are in the midst of a momentous event in the evolution of human consciousness, but they won't be talking about it in the news tonight. On our planet, and perhaps simultaneously in many parts of our galaxy and beyond, consciousness is awakening from the dream of form. This does not mean all forms (the world) are going to dissolve, although quite a few almost certainly will. It means consciousness can now begin to create form without losing itself in it. It can remain conscious of itself, even while it creates and experiences form. Why should it continue to create and experience form? For the enjoyment of it. How does consciousness do that? Through awakened humans who have learned the meaning of awakened doing."

What's most interesting about this is that Icke, yet again, is on the highest levels of truth, being totally consistent with Tolle's "prediction." If you recall, the deepest Icke has gone was in the book Infinite Love in which he questions the 2012 date, telling us that it may be just another shift in the Matrix movie that we call the multiverse, and that "something else is going on...God is hacking into the system." Icke too says that form will not be dissolved, but rather the inner-spaces where the Reptilians reside and all sorts of forms will disappear, be corrected or healed, and the prison will turn into a paradise.

I was wondering where Icke got the information that the Matrix itself is being rewritten by God who is hacking into the system. I certainly wanted it to be true, but why is he the only one talking about it? Oh sure, everyone is talking about 2012 and human evolution, but these are all shifts in the movie. Then a person I would have never expected says the same thing, and because he lives enlightenment I can say with confidence that there is truth to this information.

synergy777
05-09-2007, 07:48 PM
edelweiss knows this stuff.

veritas
05-09-2007, 08:00 PM
Having being on my own spiritual journey for a number of years now I have encountered most of the teachings from most of the Avitars, Guru's and Sages of both antiquity and contemporary lineage. I am a great fan of this book, telling someone recently that it is probably the most important book of the last 50 years or so. The teachings held within will be most beneficial to those who have already started upon a spiritual path and can at least resonate with its contents. The message is very similar to that of Advaita; if you're interested in finding out more there is an Advaita Sage in london this weekend, his name is Wayne Liquorman. I've spent quite a bit of time with Wayne and he is the real deal. The Advaita website is www.advaita.org if you're interested.

My favourite passage in A New Earth can be found halfway down page 210

"To awaken within the dream is our purpose now. When we are awake within the dream, the ego created earth drama comes to an end and a more benign and wonderous dream arises. This is the new earth".

sean~infinte
05-09-2007, 08:14 PM
if we consider that infinite consciousness is the only truth than surely evoulution of consciousness is just another illusion???

remember in the time loop david said somthing along the lines of what the infinite consciousness was talking to david about allong the lines of: "do you think infinite consciousness needs to learn? go to school? no, how can it, when we posses infinte knowledge we know all there is to know"

there (in my opinion)is nothing to learn to learn is to have the false belief that we are "little old me i kno nothing must learn" mentality
we dont seek enlightenment WE ARE ENLIGHTENMENT

here is the most valuable part of what this consciousness (our higher) said to david that thrashes this god hacking the matrix:

"This transformation is not a maybe, it is not something that might happen or we hope will happen if things go according to ·plan'. It is happening now and the power and speed of the change will become ever more profound and obvious. What you are seeing is the last desperate attempt of the 'Matrix' to stop the inevitable, that 's all. The transformation from prison to paradise is a done deal."

cleft_asunder
05-09-2007, 08:27 PM
if we consider that infinite consciousness is the only truth than surely evoulution of consciousness is just another illusion???

remember in the time loop david said somthing along the lines of what the infinite consciousness was talking to david about allong the lines of: "do you think infinite consciousness needs to learn? go to school? no, how can it, when we posses infinte knowledge we know all there is to know"

there (in my opinion)is nothing to learn to learn is to have the false belief that we are "little old me i kno nothing must learn" mentality
we dont seek enlightenment WE ARE ENLIGHTENMENT

here is the most valuable part of what this consciousness (our higher) said to david that thrashes this god hacking the matrix:

"This transformation is not a maybe, it is not something that might happen or we hope will happen if things go according to ·plan'. It is happening now and the power and speed of the change will become ever more profound and obvious. What you are seeing is the last desperate attempt of the 'Matrix' to stop the inevitable, that 's all. The transformation from prison to paradise is a done deal."

In fact there is no contradiction here. Tolle too has said that the consciousness that we are does not evolve, nor was it ever born or will die. Yet later in the book he talks about evolution in consciousness in humans. In humans, which we are experiencing, there is evolution. The consciousness in humans that he is talking about deals with a Matrix-oriented consciousness. I believe he should have used another word. Icke says the same thing, "human consciousness left the pool of consciousness [forming the Time Loop nightmare]" What is human consciousness? How is it distinct from God, the formless, the no-thing?

Icke and Tolle are in fact completely in accordance with one another.

veritas
05-09-2007, 08:41 PM
There is only one thing that stops us realising our God (source) consciuosness; ego. The belief that the small i (me) is somehow seperate from the big I (source), when what we really have is experience and the experiencer, two sides of the same thing.


In fact there is no contradiction here. Tolle too has said that the consciousness that we are does not evolve, nor was it ever born or will die. Yet later in the book he talks about evolution in consciousness in humans. In humans, which we are experiencing, there is evolution. The consciousness in humans that he is talking about deals with a Matrix-oriented consciousness. I believe he should have used another word. Icke says the same thing, "human consciousness left the pool of consciousness [forming the Time Loop nightmare]" What is human consciousness? How is it distinct from God, the formless, the no-thing?

Icke and Tolle are in fact completely in accordance with one another.

cruise4
06-09-2007, 07:02 AM
Paradise on Earth? Yes... it was called Eden, and will be again. The whole 'cycle' will begin over. But we won't be here. We should have moved on as our training is completed. What happens to any that don't move on is unclear to me. Anyone have any inklings on that front?

sean~infinte
06-09-2007, 04:42 PM
time loop is like a spiders web and we are caught in it

humans? we are only humans becuase of our DNA has that info that we are humans and we stay humans we are infinite consciousness with infinte possibility the problem is we identify with being human when its a holigram or rather thought field of the matrix mind

if you look at it that way there is no training the consciousness that talked to icke symbolically described ourt body and mind as a horse (the body) and the rider (the mind) the rider is trapped by the body and the body is trapped by the illusion the mind might think it can fly when it jumps out of a window but the body knows (or thinks/believes) it cant

i think its far easy to fall for the trap of the new age learning evoloution ascending in fact some people on this forum think oneness is a freemasonic new age belief when how can this be when they believe in such disconnection
so whether or not they truly believe in oneness they still unconsciously think they are disconnected while at the same time focused on 'time' such as 2012

the infinte consciousness talked about when the change IS going to happen no one is going to be left out as we are everything that exists, yes oneness for one person to be left means that consciousness is still traped and nothing will change

diversity and expression of that diversity is the key uniqness weakens the matrix

serpentoffire
06-09-2007, 05:37 PM
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[...]

Time-space' new face

When we apply these AVT energy principles to time-space, a new picture emerges, and one startlingly different from that previously envisioned. Let us apply the Magnificent Seven AVT energy principles to time:

1.0. Time is indestructible and of infinite potential.
2.0. Time expresses with a cyclic, vortical pattern.
3.0. Time oscillates at specific frequencies.
4.0. Time is unique in every expression.
5.0. Time regenerates itself. (6)
6.0. Time is traversed by harmonic affiliation.
7.0. Time is infinitely linked to all other energy.

Time takes a new relationship when we see that time is merely marking the energy in the universe as it is regenerating with specific properties and affiliations. Time as we view it however can now be understood as just a steady flow of energy changing form. Time is not the pre-relativity fixed time, but will regenerate and oscillate with all energy in the universe. Time will take on new properties when oscillating at different frequencies. AVT theorizes time is unified when oscillating with frequencies greater than the speed of light, functioning as a complete cycle. This would best be explained as if all time and energy changes measured by it were accessible at once. Past, present and future would merge into a single expression, accessible only when light speed is exceeded. The wave form density and shape of these new frequencies becomes so tight that the waves touch and a new omni-directional flow of energy is attained. So time is really an interpretive measure of the perpetual energy flows and change occurring and depending upon how a single expression of energy interacts with it, it can relate these changes at differing rates.


Now let us apply these energy principles to space:

1.0. Space is indestructible and of infinite potential.
2.0. Space expresses with a cyclic vortex pattern.
3.0. Space expresses at specific frequencies.
4.0. Every expression of space is unique.
5.0. Space regenerates itself. (6)
6.0. Space is traversed by harmonic affiliation.
7.0. Space is infinitely linked to all other energy.

This shows space is much more complex and has more than just width, length and depth. Space can be identified by a particular frequency. Each location in space will have different frequencies and component wave forms. The energy that comprises space will regenerate - which accounts for its continued existence. When we move through space we are traversing varying frequencies, and our energy (mass) interacts with this space. When space is thus interfaced with mass, this mass can be said to "occupy" it. Space is cyclic and expresses with the conservation of angular momentum. We see demonstrated the curvature of mass in space, whether it be a planet or star or a galaxy.


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cruise4
07-09-2007, 12:19 AM
I keep seeing reference to 'New Age' beliefs etc. I have assumed that meant Evangelical Christianity, Wicca, Environmentalism etc. Are you saying that the 'evolution' up a cosmic series of steps until we become 'Oneness' is also part of the New Age phenomena? In which case DI is New Age also, surely?

Can't give the power of the Universe to a baby. It would be disastrous.

As far as I can tell, the ONLY thing that fits the current pattern of events completely is going from 3rd Density to 4th density. Its all waves. Space and time are interchangeable, just not in 3rd density. Oneness is the destination but there's plenty of 'coming together' to be done before we get there, and once we do it will start again, cycles and waves. DI may as well be asking what is outside 'Oneness' or outside 'infinity'... when do you actually stop? But waves can get bigger... so what does that mean for 'infinity'. We are the 'feedback' in a feedback loop and the reason for this 'purpose' is the 'Why' of it known to God or us at Oneness level.

Could we be the individual soul fragments of the Angel Lucifer? Has Lucifer actually just got a bad write-up. It was said Lucifer was greatly valued (for want of a non contentious phrase), by God. Did he in fact take on a very challenging difficult mission? And when we are Oneness as humanity, will we be the fully integrated Angel (or soul), called Lucifer once again? Please notice... I didn't say Oneness with God which is the ultimate Oneness perhaps. This explains much of historical Myth and legend and I've yet to hear anything remotely close to being a better fit.

But my opinion/belief is there to be challenged/altered/discarded.

mada88
07-09-2007, 01:56 AM
The great almighty Dog is hacking into the matrix! hail dog.

GOD IS A DOG! NOT A DJ :p

abrilliantone
07-09-2007, 02:23 AM
David Icke IS NOT New Age. He merely seperates the truth from the bull crap with in it. :D

kblood
08-09-2007, 12:01 PM
"Can't give the power of the Universe to a baby. It would be disastrous."

Well, I do not believe that power of the Universe is simply granted to someone, unless that someone is ready for it. That is why this does not happen at the same time for all of us. I think it is a bit like puberty. We do not all evolve at same speed, and I do not think there should be any rush to evolve either.

What do you mean that we are not meant to be here? I do not see why it is worse or better to be here than other places. I for one would like to see my time here to its end, and I am certain that whatever might be before or after will be there when I am ready for it.

As for infinite conciousness. Anything that is truly infinite must also be timeless. Since we are not timeless we can be connected to infinite conciousness, but it does not make us fully aware of this infinite conciousness. As said earlier, our ego is in the way, and maybe our physical limits that our body puts us in. Maybe these limits are set by our ego as well though, I have seen many things that indicate that our physical limits are just illusions as well. Things that can be broken if we can believe it to be possible, and make it our truth as well as the truth of those near us at the time.

I do not really think there is only one or two "truths" about everything. To live our life fully, we must believe in everything else as well. Infinite love and infinite conciousness is just things that gives balance to it all. Infinite love making sure we keep moving forward, and infinite conciousness to help us become more aware of it all.

Everything seems to infinite to me. One person is made up of several smaller lifeforms, and I see it as the same for a planet that has several smaller lifeforms on it, making up the planet and the planets "conciousness". Looking on even larger scales, we then have solar systems with planets being smaller lifeforms, and galaxies... with solar systems as smaller lifeforms making up the galaxies. It seems to me that solar systems have similarities to what makes up us. A solar system seem a bit similar to a molecule, planets and stars seems similar to atoms. Its all micro and macro cosmos, and all big and small cycles and patterns making everything work as a bigger whole.

To me it seems stupid that some people do not believe that our personality can have something to do with the stars and when we are born. Thinking about how much everything seems so well connected, I do believe even very distant stars have their influence on us all in some way. Not just for guiding lost sailers and other travellers at night ;)

sean~infinte
08-09-2007, 04:01 PM
yh new age might have the belief of oneness but it contradicts its self and thats what its there to do new age freemasonic new age that is

abrilliantone loving the sig and avatar

abrilliantone
08-09-2007, 07:12 PM
I'm lovin' yours too sean:) thanks bro;)

kblood
09-09-2007, 09:57 PM
I keep seeing reference to 'New Age' beliefs etc. I have assumed that meant Evangelical Christianity, Wicca, Environmentalism etc. Are you saying that the 'evolution' up a cosmic series of steps until we become 'Oneness' is also part of the New Age phenomena? In which case DI is New Age also, surely?

Can't give the power of the Universe to a baby. It would be disastrous.

As far as I can tell, the ONLY thing that fits the current pattern of events completely is going from 3rd Density to 4th density. Its all waves. Space and time are interchangeable, just not in 3rd density. Oneness is the destination but there's plenty of 'coming together' to be done before we get there, and once we do it will start again, cycles and waves. DI may as well be asking what is outside 'Oneness' or outside 'infinity'... when do you actually stop? But waves can get bigger... so what does that mean for 'infinity'. We are the 'feedback' in a feedback loop and the reason for this 'purpose' is the 'Why' of it known to God or us at Oneness level.

Could we be the individual soul fragments of the Angel Lucifer? Has Lucifer actually just got a bad write-up. It was said Lucifer was greatly valued (for want of a non contentious phrase), by God. Did he in fact take on a very challenging difficult mission? And when we are Oneness as humanity, will we be the fully integrated Angel (or soul), called Lucifer once again? Please notice... I didn't say Oneness with God which is the ultimate Oneness perhaps. This explains much of historical Myth and legend and I've yet to hear anything remotely close to being a better fit.

But my opinion/belief is there to be challenged/altered/discarded.

In a way I guess we are individual soul fragments of the Angel Lucifer. As I have understood it, Lucifer was the one who gave us free will. Thereby we also got seperated from the oneness. Before having free will, I believe we were like animals or insects maybe. Working together for a common goal, fighting for the survival of our tribe or nation. By becoming individuals though, we have individual goals, needs and beliefs. By becomming intelligent beings, we therefore do not have the direct connection to oneness that we had before, but reached a higher state of awareness and conciousness.

It seems to me that ever since greece we have become more and more aware of ourselves as individuals. It has gotten as far as complete atheism and satanism. Believing in ourselves instead of any higher powers or moral. The downside to this is that we also do things to further our own egos and needs above the needs of others. This has lead to racism and wars, industrialisation without considering the conscequences for the ecosystem of our planet. Today it seems we are getting ready to work together for common goals again. To find the best ways for us to move on, but we are just not there yet.

I for one do not see returning to completely returning to following oneness as a good solution though. I still fear that it might stop us from being individuals, and I do think it beautifull and exciting for us to be individuals instead of fully connected to one another. The world just would not be as fun without the surprises we get from being individuals :) As I see it anyway. I do not think that is our future anyway though. We will probably become more aware of our abilities to link our minds and knowledge through oneness, and hopefully use it to further our evolution even more.

edit
11-09-2007, 10:08 PM
Well Tolle certainly focuses on the ego, emotion, the pain-body and the present throughout 95% of this book. In the other 5%, he talks about how humanity is undergoing a radical transformation --or more specifically a reconnection to our identity-- out of which a new Earth will emerge. What's important to note is that he tries very hard to avoid saying that this awakening will happen in the future, but rather now. The future, of course, is hypothetical, and it never arrives.

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The electroencephalographic substratum of the awakening

Michele Ferraraa, b, , , Giuseppe Curciob, , Fabiana Fratellob, , Fabio Moronib, , Cristina Marzanob, , Maria Concetta Pellicciarib, and Luigi De Gennarob,
aDepartment of Internal Medicine and Public Health, University of L’Aquila, Via Vetoio, I-67100 L’Aquila, Italy
bDepartment of Psychology, University of Rome “La Sapienza”, Italy
Received 5 July 2005; revised 9 September 2005; accepted 12 September 2005. Available online 20 October 2005.





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The aim of the present study was to characterize the regional electroencephalographic substratum of the awakening process by means of a Hz-by-Hz EEG spectral power analysis. For this purpose, we recorded a group of 25 female subjects who slept for at least two consecutive nights in the laboratory. The postsleep waking EEG was compared to the one recorded during the presleep wakefulness from four midline derivations (Fz–A1, Cz–A1, Pz–A1, Oz–A1). Results indicated that the first 10 min after awakening are characterized by an increase of EEG power in the low-frequency range (1–9 Hz) compared to the corresponding presleep waking period, and by a significant decrease of EEG power in the beta range (18–24 Hz). As regards topographic differences, the increase of EEG power upon awakening in the delta–theta range showed a parieto-occipital prevalence. Moreover, the occipital derivation showed a larger decrease of power in the beta range as compared to the other derivations.

In conclusion, the EEG substratum of the sleep offset period is characterized by a pattern of increased EEG power in the delta–theta and low-alpha bands, and of decreased power in the beta range. This pattern could be considered as the spectral EEG signature of the sleep inertia phenomenon. The state of postsleep EEG hypoarousal does not subside in the first 10-min period after awakening considered in the present analysis. Finally, according to our results, the more posterior scalp locations show stronger EEG signs of sleep inertia, and could be the last ones to properly wake up.

Keywords: Awakening; Sleep inertia; Sleep–wake transition; Sleep offset; Sleepiness


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Electroencephalographic (EEG) alpha activity at the wake-sleep transition was studied in six right-handed adults in terms of hemispheric asymmetry and regional differences. Twelve-channel EEGs with linked mastoid references were recorded together with horizontal and vertical electro-oculograms (EOGs). Two types of alpha coefficient were obtained every 5.12 s by computing the relative proportion of right vs. left alpha band power and of anterior vs. posterior alpha band power. Four stages were scored using EEG sleep patterns (theta waves, vertex sharp waves, spindles, and K complex) and slow eye movement (SEM): stage W had neither EEG sleep patterns nor SEM; stage D1 had SEM and no EEG sleep patterns; stage D2 had theta waves or vertex sharp waves and SEM; stage S had spindles or K complex without SEM. It was found that the two types of alpha coefficient changed as a function of EEG-EOG stage and were correlated. Right-decreased and anterior-shifted alpha activities were manifest at stages D2 and S. Drowsiness was considered to be a heterogeneous state, exhibiting different spatial changes in alpha activity between stages D1 and D2.
Keywords: alpha activity; hemispheric asymmetry; regional differences; drowsiness; slow eye movements

Document Type: Original article

DOI: 10.1111/1468-5884.00041

Affiliations: 1: Department of Psychology, Faculty of Education, Tottori University, Minami Koyama-cho, Tottori 680, Japan, 2: Institute of Higher Nervous Activity and Neurophysiology, Butlerova St. 5a, Moscow, 117865, Russia

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