Stuart Wilde talks SOME bollocks...

[edelweiss pirate]

Reading God's Gladiators right now.. what utter bollocks.

[soglad]

I like Stuart Wilde. What is this "utter bollox" you are referring to? :confused:

[edelweiss pirate]

He's just a total dick.... a new age conspiracy theorist...

Opening chapter of God's Glads... total rubbish..

I will keep reading but I bet it gets worse..

25 dimension are there? You've seen them have you?... shut up Stu you buffoon...

[soglad]

He's just a total dick.... a new age conspiracy theorist...

Opening chapter of God's Glads... total rubbish..

I will keep reading but I bet it gets worse..

25 dimension are there? You've seen them have you?... shut up Stu you buffoon...

Em, I'm sorry, but you are in no way a position to say what someone DID or did NOT experience.

You know there are not dimensions for a fact?

[edelweiss pirate]

"If you sleep more than three of four hours a night you can be sure you're being drained"...

Is that right Stu?

Sleep is the access to infinity.... Stuff you Stu you weird prematurely aged insomniac schizo phreak with a MK'd oriental hot tail in tow.

[edelweiss pirate]

Soglad, it's common sense.

Dimensional thinking is dimensional thinking..

If you can count it.. it follows mathematical laws therefore it is not infinite, not real, not god.

C'mon.

[eternal_spirit]

"If you sleep more than three of four hours a night you can be sure you're being drained"...

Is that right Stu?

Sleep is the access to infinity.... Stuff you Stu you weird prematurely aged insomniac schizo phreak with a MK'd oriental hot tail in tow.
..........

I'll take you're word for it.

[edelweiss pirate]

Good for you ES, I will be your light and your guide.

Sleep more than 4 hours a night ES?

He's off his head.

[eternal_spirit]

Good for you?

Sleep more than 4 hours a night ES?

He's off his head.
..........

Sure do most nights. Sleep depravation isn't good
for the mind or body. Can make you more open to mind control/suggestion, it's one of the tricks they use. Icke and others touch on this subject.

You may feel good sometimes with not having much sleep but in the long run it's a no no.

[dark86]

alot of the book you refer to is metaphoric. The last 30 pages are the best.

Check out the journey beyond elightenment, the copenhagen lecture or his infinate self book.

all top quality in my opinion. And his liberation prayer meditation is su-fucking-perb.

Yes, dont believe everything he says but take what feels right. Like, i only agree with about 70% of what he says, but the 70% is so so worth it.

[edelweiss pirate]

"Hell is cold"

He's actually right about that.

Still reading, so far so bad but I might change my mind.

.. This is
good though:

"People think this is the end time, that the known world will end very soon. Many New Agers are gearing up for December 2012 as that marks the end of the Mayan calender. Where are the Mayans? Extinct -tut-tut. Their world ended rather sooner than expected. Clue? What were the Mayans infamous for? It's not in the travel brochures. They were famous for throwing innocent victims off high walls-lots of them, tens of thousands of them. What happened to the Mayans? Ding! Ding! The forces of retribution don't piss about. Don't buy December 2012, it's a trick"

Just changed my mind. He doesn't talk utter bollocks after all. Just some bollocks.

Mods please change thread title accordingly.

Some good stuff some bs....

[geewhizz]

Hi

I dont dismiss all of what SW says but he does talk some bollocks, but then again we all have at some time.

Its just a repulsion thing with me. When I hear his weird accent it just repulses me, its not nice I know but it just does.

His writing style and medieval speak hits me hard in the balls too. Sorry Stuart but you just push me th other way.

Peace though.

[lookfar]

I agree with a few of you here. With Stuie I take on what feels right & dismiss what doesn't. I prefer his live talks rather than reading his books, as his sense of humour comes across better IMO.

Still I enjoyed Gods Gladiators though, especially the latter part :) Keep going with it Pirate, it does get better!!

[cleft_asunder]

"If you sleep more than three of four hours a night you can be sure you're being drained"...

Is that right Stu?

Sleep is the access to infinity.... Stuff you Stu you weird prematurely aged insomniac schizo phreak with a MK'd oriental hot tail in tow.

No, he might be right about that. Haven't you ever wondered how certain people can sleep 4-6 hours a night, and still function? My ex girlfriend sleeps 5 hours a night, every day, except for weekends! I didn't understand, and I thought she was ruining her health, but then I read this article below. Note that I don't fully trust the author, and I don't agree on several important points, but still, I think there is much truth in this.

http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/sleep_world.html

[cleft_asunder]

Soglad, it's common sense.

Dimensional thinking is dimensional thinking..

If you can count it.. it follows mathematical laws therefore it is not infinite, not real, not god.

C'mon.

So there aren't other dimensions, (frequencies) because we labeled em as 1,2,3,4,5,6...?
Groundbreaking argument. Somebody contact Icke quick!:eek:

[edelweiss pirate]

No cleft, don't be a pedant... Try to think with me. Please. You know you understand really.

[king]

I like Stu

but he is a weirdo.... and his predictions that he is basing on morph world never come true



we need to learn that many of conspiracy theorists, new age gurus or other "experts" all have their own belief systems that are often stranger than fiction.
and, more they talk and write about it -- more they become the victims of their own beliefs.

[cleft_asunder]

No cleft, don't be a pedant... Try to think with me. Please. You know you understand really.

I love how you try to explain a complex theory into as little words as possible, and then blame me for not comprehending. Must not have been all that important.

[seanx]

I don't think Stu's books are designed for Christians.

[lookfar]

No, he might be right about that. Haven't you ever wondered how certain people can sleep 4-6 hours a night, and still function? My ex girlfriend sleeps 5 hours a night, every day, except for weekends! I didn't understand, and I thought she was ruining her health, but then I read this article below. Note that I don't fully trust the author, and I don't agree on several important points, but still, I think there is much truth in this.

http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/sleep_world.html

Hi cleft

I haven't read that article yet but would agree that you can fully function on around 5 - 6 hours sleep as I do this myself regularly. There's far better stuff to be doing that sleeping IMO!!:D

[dark86]

the morph.

ok, i sometimes (if i do a med pre sleep in the evening) do the triangle or 'C' with my hands and twice i have seen vortex's and swirly geomtetry (similar to that i used to see when doing E's in my late teens). One time i put a finger thro this and it appeared to elongate(sp). Maybe this was because i was tired / it was dark / just done med but sometimes i toy with the theories of the morph presented in "the journey beyond elightment".

[bicycle]

Stop getting in such a stu over it all:D

[chris]

lol edelweiss pirate I totally agree...

This is the problem with natural clairvoyants, they just believe everything they see and think they are god. I know about five woman who all literally trip out whenever they close their eyes and meditate, they have amazing visions but though interesting it's 99% bollocks. They also tell me a load of crap like I was given new eye's and stuff for a little diversion around the block or it's some big spiritual event when they are just dreaming awake.

They just chase their tails and do anything 'the great spirit' says and change their names and do all kinds of crazy crap.

[soglad]

lol edelweiss pirate I totally agree...

This is the problem with natural clairvoyants, they just believe everything they see and think they are god. I know about five woman who all literally trip out whenever they close their eyes and meditate, they have amazing visions but though interesting it's 99% bollocks. They also tell me a load of crap like I was given new eye's and stuff for a little diversion around the block or it's some big spiritual event when they are just dreaming awake.

They just chase their tails and do anything 'the great spirit' says and change their names and do all kinds of crazy crap.

How do you know they're telling lies though, or receiving crap?

[cleft_asunder]

chris likes to exaggerate things 10 fold. Take what he says as a grain of salt.

[chris]

chris likes to exaggerate things 10 fold. Take what he says as a grain of salt.

lol, okay...I do know at least 5 people that are totally out of their heads with their visions. One of them channels all the so called ascended masters and just breaks out into a spontanious channelling session while we are having dinner and that's the time when I burst into spontanious hysterics (I literally can't help it). If we had the forum still here I could link you to many times where I have told this story, I remember trying to tell const this story and he was like 'Yeah dude, you've already told me it yadda yadda.'

If you read all these stupid deluded guru's they will all have conflicting information like 25 dimensions, 13 dimensions and probably all numbers under the sun...They can't all be right and almost all are wrong. I simply can't be bothered with it, to me it's not important.

Do you know me or who I hang around? I love your blanket turn off statement but could you point to where I am giving out bad information?

How do you know they're telling lies though, or receiving crap?

Well, they are talking conflicting bollocks like one woman I know has said that the people that she was with were all living under pharaoh Archenatun (sp) in his new city and then she would say that we were all ancient friends from Babylon, all bollocks. This is why people flip out because they get a stupid vision and think they are god. If you read all of the occult material, they say the brain simply tries to elucidate energies sometimes with visions and these visions are simply your brains interpretation of a truth but the real reason for it may be completely different to what the ego says it means. This is one of the reasons why they have magical correspondence tables...

http://www.goldenhoard.co.uk/images/magicians%20tables.jpg

Do you believe everything you see in your dreams? It's just the same as a waking dream, mostly bollocks (though interesting).

I know quite a few people who actually do their research and try to understand what they see, they try to find a connection with the symbolic meanings and learn from it...They don't just brag about what they see and start writing crappy books with condescending tones like 'my inner visions says it so it's the truth.'

[seanx]

Chris, here's a idea:

Before you make generalizations - go to a real channeler.

Not the old biddes you meet down in the pub.

[chris]

Chris, here's a idea:

Before you make generalizations - go to a real channeler.

Not the old biddes you meet down in the pub.

Okay son.

Who would you direct me to?

[chris]

Anyway I am not saying that all channellers are bad. I am saying stupid people believe what they see because they want to believe it.

Crowley book four chapter 18 Of Clairvoyance, and of the body of light

One must be a highly skilled man before one can trust one's vision. A great many people think that they are extremely good at the business, when in fact they have only made some occasional shrewd guesses (which they naturally remember) in the course of hundreds of forgotten failures.

He then goes on to say...

Testing of the spirits is the most important branch of the whole tree of magick. Without it, one is lost in the jungle of delusion. Every spirit, up to God himself, is ready to deceive you if possible, to make himself out more important than he is.

I hope there is no deflection onto the legitimacy of Crowley in fact his illegitimacy makes my reasoning better since even this guy warns how bad the disinfo is out there. I'll I am doing is mocking those that believe they are seeing truth just because it seems to come from another place. I used to do this myself but now I see how idiotic it was so I hope my mistakes will stop others from going in the same direction.

[eternal_spirit]

Hi cleft

I haven't read that article yet but would agree that you can fully function on around 5 - 6 hours sleep as I do this myself regularly. There's far better stuff to be doing that sleeping IMO!!:D
............

I think it varies. Even in the same family some need more/less sleep than others to function. If you do much physical/exercise, walk and don't drive you'll tend to sleep more. It's suggested if you do weight training at least a good 8 hours sleep for the body to repair itself fully the same night. Now heres the contradiction I used to stay up for two day and nights even with doing much physical stuff. I read somewhere people in their 30's need most sleep, excluding babies....... usually the older you are the less sleep you need.

I can have half or an hour lie down and sometimes that keeps me going until the early hours of the morning. Even some types of food can make you tired. Are you sleepy yet after reading this lol.

[eternal_spirit]

If you concentrate enough you're mind can project visions, of course this isn't the same as just seeing things without willing it to conciously happen. There are many theories as to why you see stuff, only you can decide which theory or reality you choose to believe....I can't be assed going into it at the moment, but I've experienced my fair share of visions.

It started at an early age for me. And I've had different beliefs of what they are over the years and I'm still open to other explanations if there are any.... that I haven't already considered as the true nature of these visions.

[cleft_asunder]

lol, okay...I do know at least 5 people that are totally out of their heads with their visions. One of them channels all the so called ascended masters and just breaks out into a spontanious channelling session while we are having dinner and that's the time when I burst into spontanious hysterics (I literally can't help it). If we had the forum still here I could link you to many times where I have told this story, I remember trying to tell const this story and he was like 'Yeah dude, you've already told me it yadda yadda.'

If you read all these stupid deluded guru's they will all have conflicting information like 25 dimensions, 13 dimensions and probably all numbers under the sun...They can't all be right and almost all are wrong. I simply can't be bothered with it, to me it's not important.

Do you know me or who I hang around? I love your blanket turn off statement but could you point to where I am giving out bad information?



Well, they are talking conflicting bollocks like one woman I know has said that the people that she was with were all living under pharaoh Archenatun (sp) in his new city and then she would say that we were all ancient friends from Babylon, all bollocks. This is why people flip out because they get a stupid vision and think they are god. If you read all of the occult material, they say the brain simply tries to elucidate energies sometimes with visions and these visions are simply your brains interpretation of a truth but the real reason for it may be completely different to what the ego says it means. This is one of the reasons why they have magical correspondence tables...

http://www.goldenhoard.co.uk/images/magicians%20tables.jpg

Do you believe everything you see in your dreams? It's just the same as a waking dream, mostly bollocks (though interesting).

I know quite a few people who actually do their research and try to understand what they see, they try to find a connection with the symbolic meanings and learn from it...They don't just brag about what they see and start writing crappy books with condescending tones like 'my inner visions says it so it's the truth.'

Some people believe that channelings are completely fake, being beamed to the Earth through satellites. The theory comes generally from people who are very 5-sense oriented, and who believe all UFO's are man-made. I don't agree with this theory.

I remember viewing Red Elk's 3-hour video, and how he mentions that they have a certain test they do to see if a vision or prediction is authentic or not, so they don't receive faulty information. Your friends, it seems, are irresponsible amateurs when it comes to channeling, having no method to discern truth from fiction.

[cleft_asunder]

Anyway I am not saying that all channellers are bad. I am saying stupid people believe what they see because they want to believe it.

Crowley book four chapter 18 Of Clairvoyance, and of the body of light



He then goes on to say...



I hope there is no deflection onto the legitimacy of Crowley in fact his illegitimacy makes my reasoning better since even this guy warns how bad the disinfo is out there. I'll I am doing is mocking those that believe they are seeing truth just because it seems to come from another place. I used to do this myself but now I see how idiotic it was so I hope my mistakes will stop others from going in the same direction.

To add to what Crowley said, I theorize that the "God" he talks about is the Matrix mind who is deluded into thinking he's God, but is really like the ultimate mind, which doesn't realize it's own existence due to an absence of pure consciousness behind it, which is the true God. Given that "all manner of lifeforms" try to mislead and make themselves more important than they really are, I will further theorize that ego is in abundance in the multiverse, and that ego is what gives the beast, the Matrix mind, it's power. Ego is the conduit.

[tejas]

Anyway I am not saying that all channellers are bad. I am saying stupid people believe what they see because they want to believe it.

Crowley book four chapter 18 Of Clairvoyance, and of the body of light



He then goes on to say...



I hope there is no deflection onto the legitimacy of Crowley in fact his illegitimacy makes my reasoning better since even this guy warns how bad the disinfo is out there. I'll I am doing is mocking those that believe they are seeing truth just because it seems to come from another place. I used to do this myself but now I see how idiotic it was so I hope my mistakes will stop others from going in the same direction.

Couldn't have put it better myself! :D

[tejas]

To add to what Crowley said, I theorize that the "God" he talks about is the Matrix mind who is deluded into thinking he's God, but is really like the ultimate mind, which doesn't realize it's own existence due to an absence of pure consciousness behind it, which is the true God. Given that "all manner of lifeforms" try to mislead and make themselves more important than they really are, I will further theorize that ego is in abundance in the multiverse, and that ego is what gives the beast, the Matrix mind, it's power. Ego is the conduit.

Gnosticism 101 :)

Ive talked to 'other' beings - and ive come to realise that they talk shit.

You need to be ruthless in this area, it could just be a projection of our own mind.

[eternal_spirit]

Some people believe that channelings are completely fake, being beamed to the Earth through satellites. The theory comes generally from people who are very 5-sense oriented, and who believe all UFO's are man-made. I don't agree with this theory.

I remember viewing Red Elk's 3-hour video, and how he mentions that they have a certain test they do to see if a vision or prediction is authentic or not, so they don't receive faulty information. Your friends, it seems, are irresponsible amateurs when it comes to channeling, having no method to discern truth from fiction.

................

Not really just means the ones you consider/think to be 5 sense oriented are open to more theories/possibilities..... Including spirits etc. Why take the word of someone who claims to be the real deal.

Care to explain this test?

[chris]

Some people believe that channelings are completely fake, being beamed to the Earth through satellites. The theory comes generally from people who are very 5-sense oriented, and who believe all UFO's are man-made. I don't agree with this theory.

Did they have satillites in Edgar Cayces day?

Your friends, it seems, are irresponsible amateurs when it comes to channeling, having no method to discern truth from fiction.

No shit. Irrespondible sounds a bit harsh though, stupid will surfice. Two of them have absolutely amazing visions all the time, I would really like to be tripping out like that all day:) but their problem arises when they believe them more than they believe what they see infront of them.

It ain't easy though...

[eternal_spirit]

Forget all that channeling stuff, try a spirit board it's a direct way of communication. And I don't mean one of those ouija boards you buy at an occult or toy shop, it looks nothing like one of those.... You make it yourself. If you remember the thread I started ages ago.

Most psychics would advise you not to, but ask why they tell you this what is their agenda. Don't give me the crap about it's dangerous. Because I've done it many times.

Some say it's dangerous to meditate and channel I agree it's more dangerous, if not bad entities, spirits etc but it can mess up you're head in other ways too.

[eternal_spirit]

Just realised I'll have to hold my breath won't get an answer from you clefty. Is it becasue you think everyone who smokes MJ after the age of 25 is a loser ( you're words lol) or something else. I can read people over the Internet BTW.

[thirdwave]

Mods please change thread title accordingly.

Some good stuff some bs....

piff puff poof!

[chris]

you concentrate enough you're mind can project visions, of course this isn't the same as just seeing things without willing it to conciously happen. There are many theories as to why you see stuff, only you can decide which theory or reality you choose to believe....I can't be assed going into it at the moment, but I've experienced my fair share of visions.

Yes, it's nothing to be reserved for the monks in the mountains of the Himalayas. It's absolutely normal.

I can't get them through concentration alone. I need help. I have to trigger them by lining up symbolic meanings to hopefully move my subconscious into a single direction and hopefully finding something (it’s a bit like hide and seek in the dark).

I put all these meanings in a temple and for symbolic actions to happen there aligning up with the particular energy I want to tap then I freestyle these visualisations with the right correspondences and often when I do this I trigger dream like experiences which are interesting but to be taken with a grain of salt (unlike Stewy).

For instance I decided to meditate on the ascent of the full moon the other night; even though the moon was afflicted with little movement I just thought I would welcome it. I also had a few sticks of Jasmine incense (a Luna herb) and so I decided to make a little ritual of it...So at the time of the ascent I faced easterly in its direction and freestyled a vision of a temple with Luna symbolism inside. I decided to stick loosely to a Luna meditation that was taken from Israel Regardie (garden of pomegranates). So I started with visualising entering the temple, seeing the alter with all its symbolism, the sides, the colours (smelling my joss sticks) then I triggered a very random vision about black magic. In it was a dark setting of a sweatlodge with a Sharman inside and I was being shown that if you sever the head of a man or animal and wear it’s head on your penis and link your sexual fluids with his cerebro spinal fluids, you would access full capabilities to his psychic powers but only destruction would result from it.

So after I analysed what it was that I saw and the first thing that sprang to mind was the condition the moon was in when it happened (quite afflicted) it was about black magic which is connected with the moon. He had a lot of symbols that I didn't recognise but was carrying an arrow in one hand and wore a bow around him (while doing his pygmy war dance) the bow and arrow is a moon weapon. This told me that it certainly was Luna but I highly doubt that what was said had any truth to it and though interesting goes into the 'too active imagination bin.'

The imagination will highjack any vision very quickly because you just try to interpret it rather than just to see it.

It started at an early age for me. And I've had different beliefs of what they are over the years and I'm still open to other explanations if there are any.... that I haven't already considered as the true nature of these visions.

Have you heard of the analogy of putting a beautiful poem through a language translator and then finally back into English?

The good thing is that on some level you know you've tapped some energy but your mind usually cannot comprehend what is going on and your imagination kicks in so the imagination is being powered by the energy and is making all kinds of weird shit.

[eternal_spirit]

That's interesting stuff chris. Started off nice then seemed to go into a bit of a nightmare with the dude in the sweatlodge etc yikes!

Spot on with how the imagination changes things so quickly that's what can happen to me when I try and visualise something. makes you wonder if there's outside forces at work playing with these kind of visions. Although the subconcious can throw up some fairly ghastly stuff, without prior warning.

[thirdwave]

not read much of stuart wilde, he seems ok.....

they are all human.... get things wrong and get things right.... and the whole subject if much bigger than getting it all right....

its like trying to say what the right chord sequence is... lots of wrong ones and lots of good ones....

people talk of 2012... and wait for something to happen.... question whether something will happen or not.... if the date is relevant...

well look around today.... if someone predicted this time... that people would start waking up... unless you were waking up you would now being criticizing that prediction... you would only give credit to it if you understood it....

i think most people around 2012 will be so busy with their magnifine glass looking at the date... they wont even notice it.

as for the sleeping thing... i think all our lives ..what we eat... drink... our sleeping patterns ... sexual desires..... and fears are all triggered and based on the society we live in... and none of it is necessarily natural to our true nature and needs.... so maybe sleeping more than 4-5 hours is un healthy...animals don't need to do it.... but its not really very relevant to me anyway.. as its important not to be tired and thats the main thing.

[eternal_spirit]

The spirit and ouija board I'm only aware of two theories
1 is the obvious.... direct spirit communication

2 Somehow it's you're mind controlling what words are being spelled out and you're not conciously aware or intending to spell out the words.

But you can sense a presence and others I've done this with have seen spirits or whatever they are maybe projections from their own mind.

We have tried asking question telepathically instead of talking out loud and had success. It was a great passion of mine trying to prove we where talking to the spirits. I'd be willing to do this again but have no one to try it with.
And depending on who your working with can have no result or varying from high speed communication to slow movements, this maybe to do with the spirits capacity to communicate also.

[i_am]

I believe that Stuie speaks the truth....HIS truth. The same goes for everyone who is writing, speaking, channelling whatever. It is what rings true for them. None of us know what is the absolute truth or if there is such a thing as absolute truth.

We are all on our own journey and all have different versions of truth. That is why we take what resonates with us and leave the rest. In the end, does it matter? As long as we honour ourselves and have respect for others to have a different perspective?

[eternal_spirit]

Just like to add. I'm not certain it's totally safe doing spirit/ouija, you know bad things can happen in life without the influence of evil spirits etc, which could be imagined as these influences. It's just another way to channel and may work for some, where other methods have failed.

The first thing it's spelled out at times was satan and all kinds of strange words which could of been complete and utter gobbeldy gook and meaningless, or a foreign language, latin,(someone pushing the glass maybe at times) even to do with what time line the spirit was from whilst incarnated. we'd get different spirits on the line many one after another some nights, and for months we could call the same ones to carry on convos which lasted for months.

They told some amazing stories and the conversation flowed, had them composing lyrics for songs and poetry, lol even drawing pictures used an egg cup which had a hole through it, place pencil in there and had a piece of paper underneath that, drew the space shuttle the night it crashed!
Asked it to draw what I'd had for dinner sure enough it drew egg and chips lol

Asked for future predictions, with some success.
And other stuff too.... I'm not making this up honestly.

[eternal_spirit]

Good ones bad ones, argumentive, jokers, all kinds, like real people I guess, many personalities.

When asked are you in heaven or hell ? The answer was no always I was only 15 see when I started this. So figured they where with us but in the spirit world/other dimension or whatever.

[eternal_spirit]

I'm a bit off topic who is this stuart guy anway lol nevermind don't answer. I don't need to know.

[matrixcutter]

Wilde has just released a set of Self-help CDs called Infinite Self: 33 Steps to Reclaiming Your Inner Power.

He's probably a freemason.

[limelady]

Wilde has just released a set of Self-help CDs called Infinite Self: 33 Steps to Reclaiming Your Inner Power.

He's probably a freemason.

Oh for crying out loud!

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm rather tired of this type of
speculation with nothing of substance to back it up. Sounds rather
desperate to me.

[matrixcutter]

Oh for crying out loud!

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm rather tired of this type of
speculation with nothing of substance to back it up. Sounds rather
desperate to me.
Perhaps you don't know the significance of the number 33.

He even says that the 33rd "step" is not really a step. Does that sound familiar? You don't need a degree to work it out, or do you?

Edit: he says the 33rd step is an energy - the energy of the "initiate".

[i_am]

33 is a master number. It has much more significance than just freemasonry. Perhaps that is why it was adopted by the Freemasons? If you do a search on 33 divinities, you will find the number 33 in every religion and going back thousands of years.

I don't think they took it from freemasonry, more like the other way around. The predecessors of the freemasons had the ancient knowledge and it has been used and adapted for their own ends from what I have read.

[matrixcutter]

33 is a master number. It has much more significance than just freemasonry. Perhaps that is why it was adopted by the Freemasons? If you do a search on 33 divinities, you will find the number 33 in every religion and going back thousands of years. I don't think they took it from freemasonry, more like the other way around.
Freemasonry is just a continuation of the ancient mystery schools - high freemasonry that is. The lower 33 degrees haven't got a clue what's going on, but they still use the number 33.

It's possible that Wilde isn't a freemason, but I doubt it.

[i_am]

Freemasonry is just a continuation of the ancient mystery schools - high freemasonry that is. The lower 33 degrees haven't got a clue what's going on, but they still use the number 33.


Yep! I agree :)

But I don't think they invented it. They are just aware of its significance!