Anthroposophy/Annunaki

[anselmkiefer]

First of all, "Nile" is an american death metal band. The band characterizes through extreme fast played and technichal songs and using the concept of egyptian mythology.

What made me courious about it was my awareness about the work of anthroposophy founder Rudolf Steiner.
Steiner wrote many tracts about spiritual entities and their influence to the 5 sense world and the human consciousness.

One of the most known entities out of this tracts is named "Ahriman".
Steiner sees Ahriman as a being which, in a damaging, exaggerated way of the materialistic-technical intellect, builds the antipole to the wallowing entity Luzifer.

Whats interesting about him is that his cahracteristics are very similar to the reptilian entities David Icke is doing research on. In a huge wood carving , Ahriman is shown in a reptile/snake like form with sharp features and ossified body.
Ahriman is described as an emotional cold being as well as Steiner in his tracts writes about the acutley high intellect and technical ability of the Ahriman entity.
He gives an example in which ahrimanic elemental beings are weaving in our world as they are affecting the process of car-building ( a very technical act ). (In Steiners philosophy the spirit world is in constant connection to the 5 sense reality.)
He also asserts that the modern day epoch we´re living in is a recurrence of the old egypt epoch and that Ahriman will incarnate in this epoch .

What brings me back to the band "Nile".
This bands represents the furthermost extreme in technical ability, playing music. You can´t create anything moreover.



That raises a lot of questions :


1. Does anyone know about the similarities/connection of anunnaki reptilians and the Ahriman entity? Did David Icke ever mentioned anything about Rudolf Steiner/Ahriman/Luzifer?

2.Could a music group like "Nile" or death metal music in general be seen as an incarnation of Ahriman?

3.As you look at modern civilization theres a big tendence into a materialistic egocentric attitude. If this reflects the character of anunnaki reptilians, why is the human civilication evolving in this direction? Steiner asserts that we are evolving the intellect in the current epoch. So if this is true , are we connected to the reptilians in a continuative sense?

3.Does the work of Rudolf Steiner connects in any way to theories like "the Freeman perspective on Obama"?




note: I´m not an anthroposoph , neither I´m in the metal camp, so please let me alive :)

[anselmkiefer]

any thoughts welcome :D

[deathcultreject]

2.Could a music group like "Nile" or death metal music in general be seen as an incarnation of Ahriman?

3.As you look at modern civilization theres a big tendence into a materialistic egocentric attitude. If this reflects the character of anunnaki reptilians, why is the human civilication evolving in this direction? Steiner asserts that we are evolving the intellect in the current epoch. So if this is true , are we connected to the reptilians in a continuative sense?

3.Does the work of Rudolf Steiner connects in any way to theories like "the Freeman perspective on Obama"?

2) All I know is that the young people round here who've been dying suspiciously or doing terrible things have recieved more subliminals from metal than from the street plan of Washington. They have also recieved a battery of holographic imprints of sociopathic identities through the imposition of the predatory NLP virus.

3) I think that psychopathic traits are taking over, because we don't have physicaly dangerous working conditions anymore. In the old days, people knew immediately how a psychopathic personality could get them killed, so they did something about it.

These days they still destroy people but the links are harder to trace.

[fff_666]

2) All I know is that the young people round here who've been dying suspiciously or doing terrible things have recieved more subliminals from metal than from the street plan of Washington. They have also recieved a battery of holographic imprints of sociopathic identities through the imposition of the predatory NLP virus.

3) I think that psychopathic traits are taking over, because we don't have physicaly dangerous working conditions anymore. In the old days, people knew immediately how a psychopathic personality could get them killed, so they did something about it.

These days they still destroy people but the links are harder to trace.

there are no subliminals in metal, I have a Nile CD and I dont go around doing stupid things. Nile are an awesome band but I think the band Necrophagist are far superior in terms of technicality, they do things that are insanely difficult, especially considering the first album was written entirely by the lead guitarist Vocalist. he literally wrote all the rhythm parts the drum parts and the melodies.

I think the general population has been dumbed down to the point as we are far to uncaring to do anything about psychopaths. most people dont care enough to go vote or learn about politics what makes you think they are going to do something about a psychopath?

[deathcultreject]

there are no subliminals in metal, I have a Nile CD and I dont go around doing stupid things.

It's not so much that metal deliberately includes subliminals, I think it does that a lot less than some other forms of art.

It's more that predatory mind control methods which cause flashbacks to suggestability are used to target young people who like metal and are likely to play it in the back ground.

Predators tend to go for teenie goths because they're more likely to have disturbed back grounds, and they'll use their techniques to get the metal kids out of the way (along with anyone else who would offer them more genuine support)

Also, there's a thing where everything that you hear but don't hear because it's so quiet (as in half way down the street) works as a subliminal.

It all builds up.

[deathcultreject]

Nile are an awesome band but I think the band Necrophagist are far superior in terms of technicality, they do things that are insanely difficult, especially considering the first album was written entirely by the lead guitarist Vocalist. he literally wrote all the rhythm parts the drum parts and the melodies.


I'll look them up on you tube :)

[fff_666]

I'll look them up on you tube :)

if you like extreme technical death metal then Necrophagist are a great band. Also check out the band Martyr they are a montreal based band and they do some pretty nucking futs stuff.

[anselmkiefer]

whats NLP virus?

[deathcultreject]

whats NLP virus?

A virus is something with enough information to replicate itself inside hosts and spread itself through the hosts.

There are genetic viruses and memetic viruses.

NLP viruses are memetic.

The more agressive a memetic virus, the more damage it does to the hosts immune systems, although some memetic viruses, such as evangelical Christianity install immune systems of their own, to deny assimilation of 'rival' information.

NLP does the same against criticism, as does fascism etc.

[zukunft]

answelmkiefer, I'm involved in anthroposophy (but don't consider myself a full-blown, card-carrying anthroposophist). I read your post when it first appeared but haven't been able to come up with a good answer. You already seem to know a lot about the subject, and I'm not aware of a direct connection between the Annunaki and the specific being Steiner called Ahriman. That doesn't mean there isn't some correlation I'm overlooking.

I've noticed over the years that it's hellishly hard for me to link up different teachings/systems. All I've ever heard about Ahriman is that he's the equivalent of the biblical Satan and of Angra Mainyu.

It does seem like the Reptilians have some qualities like those of Ahriman/Ahrimanic beings--intelligent, cold, technically oriented. But the stories one hears about the Reptilians has them as adult incarnate beings, with bloodlines implicated, whereas Steiner discussed Ahriman and his "associates" as working on all humans via the spiritual plane ... until the incarnation of Ahriman. And I do think that it would be just Ahriman incarnating, not a whole host.

If there were a connection, I wonder if a real Anthroposophist might say that the whole Reptilian thing could be a trick/illusion/distraction of some kind wrought by Ahrimanic beings working together with Luciferic beings. Just a thought.

[anselmkiefer]

I've noticed over the years that it's hellishly hard for me to link up different teachings/systems. All I've ever heard about Ahriman is that he's the equivalent of the biblical Satan and of Angra Mainyu.




Hello and thank you for your kind answer.



The name Ahriman is used in more myths of different heritage and age.

1. In the indian mythology: Aryaman , god of marriage-tie and hospitality.

2. In the persian mythology: Ahriman , twin brother of Ahura Mazda. God of darkness. source of evil and death. his symbol is the snake.
Ahriman is there specified as a evil spirit, a "daeva", which were adjudged in the airspace between sky and earth. Ahriman itself claims that he is Lord over the part in the sky, in which the sun not is. it is asserted this is origin of the english word "air".

that makes the following very interesting ,

the british philosopher John Dee wrote about dimensional spheres which can be travelled by the invocation of demons called "aethyrs" or "aires".

Davis Icke calls Annunaki reptilians "interdimensional" beings , that shift between the dimensions.



3. Angra Mainyu, Iranian evil spirit, Lord of 9999 diseases.

The modern words "anger" and "angry" have it´s origin also from the character "Angra-Mainyu".

4. He is also an Arian God. "Ari" - meaning brave and "mani" - man.


5. Ahriman is also found in roman reliefs as a Lionheaded angel with a snake around its body.



I personally do think, that Rudolf Steiner knew a lot more than he wrote in his books or spoke at his lectures.


Did he chose this name because of similarities to ancient myths?



Ps.: Thank you again. I´m glad there is someone to talk about this here.


A "real" anthroposophist might call you retarded by speaking about reptilian shapeshifters. They are not mentioned in Rudolf Steiners books! :p

[zukunft]

Hello and thank you for your kind answer.



The name Ahriman is used in more myths of different heritage and age.

1. In the indian mythology: Aryaman , god of marriage-tie and hospitality.

2. In the persian mythology: Ahriman , twin brother of Ahura Mazda. God of darkness. source of evil and death. his symbol is the snake.
Ahriman is there specified as a evil spirit, a "daeva", which were adjudged in the airspace between sky and earth. Ahriman itself claims that he is Lord over the part in the sky, in which the sun not is. it is asserted this is origin of the english word "air".

that makes the following very interesting ,

the british philosopher John Dee wrote about dimensional spheres which can be travelled by the invocation of demons called "aethyrs" or "aires".

Davis Icke calls Annunaki reptilians "interdimensional" beings , that shift between the dimensions.



3. Angra Mainyu, Iranian evil spirit, Lord of 9999 diseases.

The modern words "anger" and "angry" have it´s origin also from the character "Angra-Mainyu".

4. He is also an Arian God. "Ari" - meaning brave and "mani" - man.


5. Ahriman is also found in roman reliefs as a Lionheaded angel with a snake around its body.



I personally do think, that Rudolf Steiner knew a lot more than he wrote in his books or spoke at his lectures.


Did he chose this name because of similarities to ancient myths?



Ps.: Thank you again. I´m glad there is someone to talk about this here.


A "real" anthroposophist might call you retarded by speaking about reptilian shapeshifters. They are not mentioned in Rudolf Steiners books! :p

You make a lot of interesting connections. I'll give it more thought--not because I feel I have anything in particular to contribute, but because it's interesting and I'm always wondering how best to live with anthroposophy. As you say, the "real" anthropops (that's the slang word where I live) would probably find all this ridiculous, although I've known a few serious ones who entertained other ideas, such as Carlos Castaneda's.

It may be that Steiner, if he were here today, would frame his work differently. He may have chosen to present what he knew in the ways he felt his listeners and readers could best accept it. Although he was a human and not infallible, and in some ways he himself was apparently a man of his era. So ... ????

[zukunft]

Are private messages not allowed on the forum in general, or am I too new to receive them? At any rate, I'm American, in my early thirties, and am considering moving to Berlin. Hence the name "zukunft"--I'm pondering my future.

And I assume you are definitely German, and you are a fan of the artist Anselm Kiefer (rather than the artist himself)? I don't know much about Kiefer, but I really like the work of Joseph Beuys--saw a showing of his work in Minneapolis several years ago, not the greatest show, but I was lucky enough to be with some people who helped me understand what Beuys was about, maybe.

[anselmkiefer]

I don´t know why I can`t send you a Pm ?

Well, I chose the name anselmkiefer without the awareness there is a painter with that name. I found his work later , surprisingly.

Joseph Beuys was attracted to Steiners work and is a known anthroposophist.

In Steiners view, backing the attitude of the "Romantik" and "Goethezeit" era, art is the only overall potency that can connect different and opposed groups, such as science and spirituality.
In this time poets like Goethe were artists, scientists and mystics at the same time. For example scholary pieces were written in form of a poem.

As you look at Steiners educational system its filled with art like dancing, singing, painting etc.

to digress, Steiner also wrote about so called "moon inhabitants", spiritual entities, which use art, in form of poems painting (forming the aether), as tool of comunication.

Joseph Beuys concept of the "social sculpture" says that every member of society could take active "plasticizing" influence to his environment through creative action. Therefore the term of art was extended.

This in turn takes its origin from the 1910`s to 1920`s popular artist Marcell Duchamp who inserted the everyday item to the museum by diverting it from its intended use.

I´ve never seen an original Beuys, but you can create your own everyday :)


I also think a true anthroposophist would be sympathethic to the work of castaneda.


Kind regards

[deathcultreject]

if you like extreme technical death metal then Necrophagist are a great band. Also check out the band Martyr they are a montreal based band and they do some pretty nucking futs stuff.

:D 'A little of what you fancy does you good.' (Unless it's been installed as a trigger)

[fff_666]

:D 'A little of what you fancy does you good.' (Unless it's been installed as a trigger)

LOL true enough I suppose. how did you like em?