truth about why Most folks may hurt you serious !

[tracker]

So how many of you are making the biggest mistake ever but do not realise it ?


Are you a person who thinks that training your self to survive ( survivalist ) means you are training to fight the NWO ?=wrongo --training to survive just means -------knowing how to cope in bad bad times

Are you a person who thinks that gaining knowledge on how to be a survivalist means that you are training to be a Rambo ? =======wrong again . Being a survivalist has nothing to do with killing folk .


such are the mistakes people keep making because they confuse issues

and then there are others who make massive mistakes and these are just as common as the ones above .

One thing I can guarantee is that when you find out it is you ---------you will do one of a few things .

1 ) ignore this thread ASAP just because of the section that the title comes under !
2 ) .ignore this thread ASAP when you find out it is you .
3 ) slag it off to an unreasonable manner with no compromise .

So what are the biggest mistake that so many of you are making right here right now and will probably carry on doing so ?

well for that I have to make examples for it to slowly sink in , the reason for this is because so many of you are bias and hold a prejudice opinion of the subject so instead Im going to show you how the big mistake is made in different ways so that you can understand it with out parasitism .

Please allow me to explain before posting . I ask this because my intention is not to slate folks off for what they want but to highlight how their actions can seriously affect their future and their children's future too . So please understand ----my intention is all of your well being , that's all .

EXAMPLES ;

1 ) Those who hate the system of things .
This is fully understandable dudes and dudettes , you will not find many who actually like it but still go along with it in their small comfort zone ways , a large majority of the masses are not awake to it , but some of us are .
The ideal is that to stop many things like destroying the planet / saving wildlife and other serious subjects can all be managed by a simple little thing like every family having their own little patch of land to live on rather like having ones own allotment .

2 ) those who seriously think that swine flu or viral infections are spread by purpose .
Well Im not saying that they are not , its just one of those subjects I will cover .

3 ) those who seriously think Martial law will soon be introduced .

4 ) those who think reality is just an Illusion .

5 ) those who are concerned about TV programming their kids .

6 ) big catastrophes may occur ( what ever they be )

7 ) Other subjects that are usually on forums like this.


WHAT ARE THE MISTAKES MADE HERE ?

to cover this I have to go over these subjects again . This means looking at "what" those people who fall in those areas are "actually doing about it" .
Each number below corresponds to the points above .

1 ) So how many of those who fall into example 1 are actually researching the idea of growing their own food ?
how many of them read books and watch vids on growing ones own food ?
how many have actually tried it ?
how many actually know how much work has to be put into growing food ?
how many actually know what can go wrong and how easy that can happen ?
How many ?
how many of them keep saying "they will do soon or one day" ?
The actually percentage of those who "think" they believe it don't actually do any of those things I have put forward here . Believe it ----------most do nothing about it !

2 ) Swine flu mass inoculations made law ?
It surprising how many of you ACTUALLY BELIEVE it is going to happen WITHOUT actually learning what to do IF it does or WHEN it does .
You only have to look at the responses to the swine flu threads to see how many people respond to those threads but do not respond to threads like this or the subject that I will cover soon .

3 ) Martial law ?
Are you truly worried about it ?
how much are YOU "DOING" to actually ensure that you have knowledge to BETTER your chances of not getting in trouble ?

4 ) What about those who think reality is an Illusion ?
I wonder why so many get to such heights within their ignorant egotistic self to think that we must not act upon that Illusion to influence it just because they think that to react is to be controlled ?
This is a stupendouse mistake because inaction is a form of mass destruction ---------end stop !

5 ) TV programming kids ?
really ?
so what ARE ---------YOU -----DOING about it ?
are you teaching your children independence from the programing ?
we shall see .

6 ) Big catastrophes ?
well now that has probably more chance of happening than any of the above .
Are you actually gaining knowledge about what to do ?
hhm the truth is -----the large majority do nothing , such are the facts unfortunately .

7 ) as you can guess there are other subjects that do concern us that can affect our health and well being so for now I will leave these examples to tell you some truth .



What could be so easy to help better ones chances of any of these situations that can truly

1 ) help one have the ability to grow food ?
2 ) Help ones chances during a mass lawful poison injection campaign ?
3 ) help folks during martial law situations ?
4 ) to help ones chances if the Illusion does come at such a force that circumstances are uncontrollable ?
5 ) Un program their kids from the systematic practices of dependency .
6 ) to help better ones chances of any catastrophe ?
7 ) aid ones chances in many circumstances ?


Well well well , this is where just a few simple words make folks run like fire leaving shit streaks behind as they go .

LEARN THE VALUABLE KNOWLEDGE OF SURVIVAL !

I wonder how many folks have right now clicked out of this thread ?
The truth is many will do so , and if they don't , they will read and yet still do nothing about it , and thats the truth folks .
So what is the prejudice stigma that these folks hold against such a subject that can control them so easily ?

The stigma is mainly that these people think that learning about survival means practicing to be a Rambo .
( PMSL )
Learning survival skills is not about killing people folks !
Survival knowledge is the only true way to create independence from the system and the ability to better ones chances of a number of things happen .
Martial law
mass inoculations
catastrophe
it can help deprogram our children from depending on this system .
It can better ones chances to learn about natural food etc
it can help influence how the Illusion can affect our health etc .

Lets look at some real life scenarios that actually do happen with out conspiracy.

These situations can and often do happen through out history and they don't include things like conspiracy so understand that these situations ( should they occur ) can affect many at any moment . Im not trying to spread fear --Im trying to give you knowledge of how easy it is for civilisation or its system to fall to pieces .

Tornadoes
tidal waves
sun spots
meteorites
pandemics ( some do occur naturally )
power shortages ( for what ever reasons )
bad bad winters
massive volcanic erruptions .

and that was just to name a few that can occur naturally .
And thats just it folks ----------------- people who regard this subject seldom consider these things yet are happy to complain / moan / chitchat about how bad things are or fantasise about what life would be like if bla bla bla but do NOTHING to prepare for such ideas that their own lazy actions tend to contradict upon their own ideas .
What I am trying to say is that they CLAIM they believe it , they act like they believe it ---------but in ACTION ----do nothing to better their own or their children's chances if such things happen .
Now why is that ?
are they hypocrites ?
Lazy ?
or just complaining prats with nothing better to do ?
Either way it goes --------the main end result is this -------they choose to do nothing !

Maybe ---------playing
the PlayStation
getting large flat screen TVs
going to the pub or bowling etc
collecting the latest gadgets
and other little egotistic greedy "want everything easy" life styles are more important .

So let me now tell you about any one you know who might be like this ------or ----know they need to prepare but decide not too.

Fact 1 )
Did you know they are more danger to you than the NWO and any catastrophe that can happen ?
I will tell you a few truths anyway regarding this .
A ) We all know that a number of things can happen what ever they be ---so why are they a danger to others ?
Because they have decided to spend and squander all their time / money / resources and energy of a life that can be likened to a "conditioned pig" where they think they have the "right" to survive even though they have not bothered to learn basic survival skills that even the cave men knew about that saved mankind through out the ages and has pulled us through meteor impacts / famine / tidal waves / volcanic eruptions / solar storms / and more .
Now I am not saying that they "don't" have "the right"
but I am saying ----------they will blame governments etc etc for how "they" them self have fallen to being a victim to some type of foul play .
New Orleans / London 2007 flooding / those in earth quake areas / flood areas/ storm areas ------------all end up depending on the authorities for their own lazy ignorant mindedness . You see it on Tv nearly every week now --------so what the hell is their angle ?
I will tell you .
They want everything for nothing !---------- refuse to put effort into doing things for them self / refuse to prepare and learn about such things -------------and also ------will then blame authorities when the SHTF !
every one but them self , like the blameless unblemishable irresponsible people they are --------then place it all as some one else fault because they were not prepared for such times .
These people NEVER and I do say NEVER change their ways ! why is that ? and don't go blaming it on conditioning because in some countries some of those folks don't have TVs .

fact 2 )
If the authorities do not deliver to keep these folks happy ------------- how long will it be before others blame governments for them dieing ?
we see it all the time .

fact 3 ) This fact is really important !
If they know you have prepared --------------you can expect them soon at your door .
Now lets face facts folks ------------------- if they come to your door ----------they will expect something of what you have !
if you say "NO" ----------will they return with an intent ?
will they return in a larger group ?
will they send others round to get your stuff ?
Well ------if it is ------a "do or die" situation -----------bet your ass they will ! especially if they have kids !
Civilisation will rip each other to pieces if it came to survival do or die situations , this is why martial law can be introduced during any conspiracy event or natural occurrence that mounts to a catastrophe .

UNDERSTAND THOSE FACTS ! BECAUSE THEY ARE --------JUST ------THE FACTS !


I'M NOT SAYING FOR ONE MOMENT DONT HELP CHILDREN IN NEED !
I don't think there are many human beings that can be like that , Im sure you would have to be a hard faced bastard or completely insane not to help those who have children , but there are other ways to help others -------other than give out all supplies etc ( although the tiny odd piece may do no harm ) to every one as this can seriously affect your family's survival factor .
Now you have to face facts folks -----------------what were they doing with all their time and money ?
this is a situation that only you can make decisions upon .
just don't suffer fools willingly ! because they can end up fking up all your chances .
Its natural human nature that people will -------if they have to --------punch your bloody lamps out just for a bite to eat in bad situations ----so never underestimate the lazy and ignorant !

A fine example of this
was a time I was chatting to my old buddy about what might happen in such times . We began to chat and so instead of me getting to the point I asked him a few questions to find out his mentality .
I asked ,
"what would you do if someone you knew had prepared but refused to help"
he replied ------"find someone else"
I asked
"what if you had no luck ?"
he replied
" i would have to revisit that person"
ME ) and do what ?
HIM ) well if he isnt reasonable I might have to force my way in
ME ) what if he beets ya ?
HIM ) return with backup -he shouldn't be so greedy .
ME ) what if he wasnt greedy ? what if he spent time and effort saving up and learning how to survive those times ?
HIM ) well then he should understand that other people need to live too .

ME ) Do you really need to do that to another person who has spent time and effort ? or will you decide to do something about it your self ?

HIM ) I don't need to as I know where to go if it does happen ?
ME ) where ?
HIM ) YOU !:eek:

ME ) fkin me ? let me tell you ------you will be the 1st person I would fkin shoot dead !
HIM ) why ( laughing a bit but uneasy ):o
ME ) because of what you just told me ! you consider your self a friend -yet you have plainly admitted you refuse to learn / refuse to try / and want every on else to hold you up because of that and if they don't -----------well -----what can I say --as you have said it all --------thats why ------and I do mean this --------------unless you never want to get home again ----don't knock on my door if it does happen .:cool:

I have long decided not to hold his company as his true colours have been revealed and I can never trust him again , not because he will knock on my door --------but because he has told me that he refuses to learn but is fully prepared to launch a campaign to hurt others to get food etc if he needs it because in his tiny mind the world oues him everything for nothing .
the reasons why i still think he would one day turn up is because of a few things here .

1 ) people like him NEVER change !
2 ) people like him refuse to learn because its easy not to
3 ) people like him who want an easy existance will find it easier to raid homes than to learn how to survive .
4 ) he thinks time and effort is too much for him to learn anyway .
5 ) if he fails in all attempts he will be the 1st to try and snitch me for something silly or atleast try to get me in trouble with authorities because those who have nothing have nothing to loose for doing so .
6 ) because its a fact that drowning folks have an instinct to drag others down with them which can kill them . drowning folks dont like going down alone .
7 ) its better to live with your enemy than a clumsy friend , mainly because with an enemy you know where you stand so you dont cross each others nerves , but a clumsy friend will kill you accidently , and never mean it !


:cool:


THATS WHY ---------IF YOU KNOW FOLKS ------THAT KNOW YOU HAVE SUPPLIES NO MATTER HOW SMALL --------BEWARE -------------DONT FULLY TRUST THEM ! IT CAN BE YOUR OWN DOWNFALL !

It doesnt have to be mass enoculations or martial law that can turn life around to such a degree that life becomes hard .It can be anything !

WHY DO YOU THINK MARTIAL LAW CAN AND WOULD BE INTRODUCED ? other than a complete bloody conspiracy ? because THEY KNOW --------people would rip each other to pieces thats why ?


SO

WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT ANY CONCERNS ?

here are a few things you can do .

1 ) get the odd extra piece of shopping each week .
dont listen to thoise w+nkers who say that this is hauding because hauding is exactly what they will be doing . NOT YOU !
Hauding = when things go wrong suddenly every one goes out panic buying what they can = hauding .
getting bits in each week is not hauding ------------it
eases the strain on the shops
allows others to have a chance of getting things
doesnt hurt your pocket
betters your chances for atleast a few weeks or so .
so don't listen to thos who say its hauding because they are full of shit ! its not hauding --its preparing . thats all ! you dont have to be rich to buy 2 extra tins of beans a week now do you ? and a couple of tins per week does not make you a hauder .

2 ) dont go spreading around how you are preparing --------thats a silly idea !
people will soon come to your door and want apiece of what youve got --and if they have to -------they might just want to get it with or with out your permision .

3 ) read the sruvival threads / read books / practice ! it never hurts !

NOW THE CHIOCE IS YOURS !

EITHER LEARN NOW

OR

LEARN WHAT ITS LIKE WHEN ITS TOO LATE JUST LIKE ALL THE MASSES SO OFTEN DO !

get off that lazy ignorant want for all backside and take responsability for your own survival !

here is a great utube clip tp listen too
Interview - Cody Lundin - When All Hell Breaks Loose - YouTube

here are some usefull threads and links on them too .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75250

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64477

It is wise to have something called a grab and run bag , as shown here on this thread .;
This aids a quick organised grab and run scenario where you are kitted out with basics . It is also handy to have at least £100 in a pocket of that bag for emergency purposes .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36063


other useful handy things to know .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88434

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44847

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44848

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38418

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44850

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44849

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44852

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...t=47247&page=2

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65970

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65971

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62734

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45462

be well
stay safe
its up to you !
Just remeber my only concern is you and your family's well being and it has taken me a lot of time and effort to make this thread .
:cool:

[curtaincat]

thanks Tracker

i have to go to bed now, its just gone midnite, and i am well tired!
( just got over the flu, and i did NOT go to the doc, or take any medications, just recovered in a painful way... i know my body has now got more immune, if that is the right word.).

i built up my immune system by letting the flu symptoms do their stuff and build me up... the way it is meant to happen, no pharma drugs for me, lol.

i have bookmarked this thread to go over, thoroughly, asap.

night night ! lots of good blessings and vibes and thanks.

i hope everyone will take notice of your thread here and the others, and all your most appreciated works.
:cool: :)

[tracker]

Yep , Ive just done exactly the same here with a flu .

I refuse anything else but a warm water bottle and lemsip / or lemon and honey .

goodnight curtaincat , bless you .

thankyou .

:)

[pessi_optimist]

Tracker, if you don't did'nt me asking do you live in the uS or Britain, Countryside or city or town?

[tracker]

Tracker, if you don't did'nt me asking do you live in the uS or Britain, Countryside or city or town?

A village .

I did live in a crouded town --------I also had preps then too .

i see no difference on how living in towns/cities or villages stops one from preparing .
we all have freedom to walk - we can walk to the country side "if we wanted to" to learn .

otherwise if you have questions by all means fire away .

I will do my best to answer any questions and if I cannot help --i can tell you that someone soon enough will see this thread and point you in the right direction .

dont be shy

ask away .

I am at your leasure .

:)

[tracker]

had to bump this thread .

I have made a thread called "so many of you are going to be screwed big time "

and the reason why and gave them a link to this thread .

note that thise thread is in the survival section ,

yet they repply more to the one above that I made in the general section .

this thread is proving its point right now !

beware the sly and lazy !

:cool:

[andyh]

My own view on this is that there's little point worrying about it now. I made my choice and got out of the UK completely, let alone out of an urban area.
I don't see anyone with family doing all this now as it's too late already imho. It takes several years to get out and get settled and there's not much time left looking at things is there?

It's not OK to sit back and say that you're "infinite conciousness" having an experience and that it all doesn't really matter. Personally I think that it's important to maintain our existence as this is what God intended.
I think he/she/it intended that we become God's ourselves, that we eventually mature and become something special.
None of this is going to happen if things continue the way they are.
I think we need to BOTH recognise our oneness and also change humanity for the better...or at least die trying.

[ekim]

Sorry tracker, got half way through and had to stop. Once you started with all the catastrophy shit it was enough. I am ready to deal with whatever happens, but not out of fear, your post was full of fear, which quite honestly I thought was a tactic used by "sheeple"(as you call em) and tptb. Catastrophy themes are use by the media to keep people scared, but of what, something that may or may not happen in our life times. How can you feel and live now if your always worried about the future.

I will agree that people need to learn how to survive in nature but more to gain important, spiritual knowledge.

I won't lie to you, and I don't mean to pick at your ego but you come across as an arrogant prick in this post, which will turn more people away than what you posted. I can tell though that you mean well, as you did state, just loose the ego and judgement.

[tracker]

Sorry tracker, got half way through and had to stop. Once you started with all the catastrophy shit it was enough. I am ready to deal with whatever happens, but not out of fear, your post was full of fear,

NO NO NO !

this post has no fear - it is you who holds that fear -------not me . You did say --that you had enough because the subject of natural desasters frightened you off --------thus -------------you hold the fear -----------not me , get this striaght . only religouse fanatics can be so contradictory . dont be like them !
if its not
what i said
its what i didnt say
or what i did
or what I didnt do
or how I should have said
but what i didnt say
haaaaaaa how tiring people can be who refuse to admit they are to blame for their own excsuses .
which quite honestly I thought was a tactic used by "sheeple"(as you call em) and tptb. .
this is a thread for sheeple ------------------erm -----------------------oh dear -------what part of that massive concept did you miss ?

Catastrophy themes are use by the media to keep people scared, but of what, something that may or may not happen in our life times.

excuse me so rudely ----I am not offering fear --------through media hype ----------unlike those you claim to be so higher up than thoun -------TPTB -----i am giving means to prepare and to help wellbeing --------------which they do not !
if you are unable to tell the difference --------------------just look in the mirror as to why this planet is so sodding contradictory and inhumane !




I will agree that people need to learn how to survive in nature .


now that makes sense --------now make a thread on it !




I won't lie to you,
yeah yeah ----------stats say that these are the 1st famouse words of a typical bullshitter .


and I don't mean to pick at your ego
No im sure your ego doesnt wish to do that , yet seems to be having a good time doing so .

again a contradictory sign of a religouse belief of some type .


but you come across as an arrogant prick in this post,
Oh I see ----------now the insult .
So ------how many threads have you made to help people prepare for the future ?
and you have th nerve to reserve an apology for chanting curses and slagging me off in verbal assaults ?
you still sound religouse to me .

which will turn more people away than what you posted.
bullshit -------------you turned up , and this thread has pulled more folks than the one I posted in the survival section that says the same thing only sidderently .
Not forgetting -------you said I sound like a prick , you also said that this thread is what sheeple do --------so you are in all sense calling people egotistic ignorant sheeple pricks .
thats not nice .

I can tell though that you mean well,
yes you have prved that time and time again , your remarks are evidence of this .

as you did state, just loose the ego and judgement.
for which some one like your self has clearly done so well .


more to gain important, spiritual knowledge.


So I am right then ---------------you do have some religouse beleif .
yep --your contradictory reactions are typical of most .

thank you for this proof evidence , bouncing back from folk like you is always welcomed .
But I will say this -------since you have placed your self above me --------why dont you -rewrite this valuable info and I will gladly ask the mods to help adjust this thread in places . go on ! since you are so ---------cleaner and holyer than thou ---------put ya actions where ya mouth is -----------make this thread better or atleast make one ya self .

otherwise ----------- try not to be so trumped up .
:cool:

[decim]

Thanks for the effort & info tracker.

I have been trying to find somewhere that sells Iodine, any ideas, links?

Cheers

[tracker]

My own view on this is that there's little point worrying about it now. I made my choice and got out of the UK completely, let alone out of an urban area.
I don't see anyone with family doing all this now as it's too late already imho. It takes several years to get out and get settled and there's not much time left looking at things is there?

It's not OK to sit back and say that you're "infinite conciousness" having an experience and that it all doesn't really matter. Personally I think that it's important to maintain our existence as this is what God intended.
I think he/she/it intended that we become God's ourselves, that we eventually mature and become something special.
None of this is going to happen if things continue the way they are.
I think we need to BOTH recognise our oneness and also change humanity for the better...or at least die trying.

Andyh , you are always welcome .
its refreshing to converse with a God loving person who is not religouse yet understands that we are physical aswell as spiritual .

thank you for that Andyh ,

you are welcome .

:)

[tracker]

Thanks for the effort & info tracker.

I have been trying to find somewhere that sells Iodine, any ideas, links?

Cheers

Are you Uk ?

:cool:

[pessi_optimist]

Tracker, do you have a community of sorts with like-minded people who you can rely on, friends, family for example? Or are you solo?

[pessi_optimist]

My folks farm is where i'm a heading if the shit does indeed smatter across the fan :)

[tracker]

My folks farm is where i'm a heading if the shit does indeed smatter across the fan :)

Good idea too .

Hide some stock in some strange places where folk dont look .

:cool:

[tracker]

Tracker, do you have a community of sorts with like-minded people who you can rely on, friends, family for example? Or are you solo?


well -----part solo with family ---------but am part of a survival forum - I also have 2 peeps I can trust in those times .

solo isnt the best idea ----------but it does have good advantages .

only one to think about .

a solo can run -----a family has to learn how to -------Hide -----------if needed .

I usually relly on my self to keep my family safe and well , hence my hard lined aproach .
the more you find as a good trust worthy team the better ---------as long as it aint over the amount of about 10 folks . anything else can become trouble to help manage or maintain .

:cool:

[ekim]

NO NO NO !

this post has no fear - it is you who holds that fear -------not me . You did say --that you had enough because the subject of natural desasters frightened you off --------thus -------------you hold the fear -----------not me , get this striaght . only religouse fanatics can be so contradictory . dont be like them !
if its not
what i said
its what i didnt say
or what i did
or what I didnt do
or how I should have said
but what i didnt say
haaaaaaa how tiring people can be who refuse to admit they are to blame for their own excsuses .

this is a thread for sheeple ------------------erm -----------------------oh dear -------what part of that massive concept did you miss ?


excuse me so rudely ----I am not offering fear --------through media hype ----------unlike those you claim to be so higher up than thoun -------TPTB -----i am giving means to prepare and to help wellbeing --------------which they do not !
if you are unable to tell the difference --------------------just look in the mirror as to why this planet is so sodding contradictory and inhumane !




now that makes sense --------now make a thread on it !




yeah yeah ----------stats say that these are the 1st famouse words of a typical bullshitter .



No im sure your ego doesnt wish to do that , yet seems to be having a good time doing so .

again a contradictory sign of a religouse belief of some type .



Oh I see ----------now the insult .
So ------how many threads have you made to help people prepare for the future ?
and you have th nerve to reserve an apology for chanting curses and slagging me off in verbal assaults ?
you still sound religouse to me .


bullshit -------------you turned up , and this thread has pulled more folks than the one I posted in the survival section that says the same thing only sidderently .
Not forgetting -------you said I sound like a prick , you also said that this thread is what sheeple do --------so you are in all sense calling people egotistic ignorant sheeple pricks .
thats not nice .


yes you have prved that time and time again , your remarks are evidence of this .


for which some one like your self has clearly done so well .



So I am right then ---------------you do have some religouse beleif .
yep --your contradictory reactions are typical of most .

thank you for this proof evidence , bouncing back from folk like you is always welcomed .
But I will say this -------since you have placed your self above me --------why dont you -rewrite this valuable info and I will gladly ask the mods to help adjust this thread in places . go on ! since you are so ---------cleaner and holyer than thou ---------put ya actions where ya mouth is -----------make this thread better or atleast make one ya self .

otherwise ----------- try not to be so trumped up .
:cool:

Wow, great job of picking my post apart and making assumptions based on out of context info.

Good job telling me who I am, just could never figure it out :rolleyes:

Do you actually understand the concept of the ego? The way you react to others posts at times shows you like to react through it, can't handle a bit of friendly criticism?

[tracker]

Wow, great job of picking my post apart and making assumptions based on out of context info.

Good job telling me who I am, just could never figure it out :rolleyes:

Do you actually understand the concept of the ego? The way you react to others posts at times shows you like to react through it, can't handle a bit of friendly criticism?



its not a thread about ego --or whether I am better than you or if you think that I think Im better than you --------------let it go .

you made a good point on the other thread , I also agreed with that point .

do you have anything to say ------regarding the subjects on this thread ?

so far you have not -------------I refuse to trash or help you troll this thread to the rant room .

please help others on this matter ------or just simply ignore this thread .



:)

[ekim]

I was only trying to help as I used to be a little like you, I turned away alot of people cause of the way I came aross. People(as you have also shown) put up a guard as soon as they feel threatened, and really, if you had not felt threatened would you have reacted and responded the wayyou did?

I'm not here to rant, just passing on what I have learned about how to deal with people.

I repect what you are trying to do and your passion seems genuine, like I said though people are quick to put up a defence, even if the info could save them they react to the feeling of being less than the one providing them with the info.

Again, I suport the idea behind this thread, keep it going.

edit:

Forgot to contribute something of value........very wise to obtain books to reference what plants can be eaten if your area, there are many berries, mushrooms, even tree bark out there to eat.

[tracker]

I was only trying to help as I used to be a little like you, I turned away alot of people cause of the way I came aross. People(as you have also shown) put up a guard as soon as they feel threatened, and really, if you had not felt threatened would you have reacted and responded the wayyou did?

I'm not here to rant, just passing on what I have learned about how to deal with people.

I repect what you are trying to do and your passion seems genuine, like I said though people are quick to put up a defence, even if the info could save them they react to the feeling of being less than the one providing them with the info.

Again, I suport the idea behind this thread, keep it going.

well said , I think what too many people think is that I am trumped up --and quite frankly I dont mind a little arm wrestling

as long as those people can show the same enitiative as you have here then its OK .

if I didnt want your opinion --lets face it --I could have said worse things .

I was taken by your comment about the water filtration thing ( I think its on the other thread )

I shall seriousely consider researching why certain types of filtration are bad for ya .

thanks for the heads up on that one .

:)

[tracker]

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[ekim]

No worries here, good to know a little extra comunication still works with some people.

As for reverse osmosis, it kills everything and leaves you with dead water, it's better to go to a good outdoor sport store and look for filtering systems, or better yet find a spot with a natural spring nearby.

[decim]

yes.

Are you Uk ?

:cool:

[tracker]

yes.

Millets sell all sorts of stuff
iodine and iodine treatment that counter-acts the taist
Fllouride
bleach
and other stuff .

most camping shops will seel filtration treatment gear .

Wazaap also knows where one can get the perminant hand held water filter that i supposed to rid water from
99% germs
99% heavy metals
99% chemicals
but advice is to still boil the water after .

Yes -------most camping shops should sell them .

:cool:

[tracker]

Just remeber my only concern is you and your family's well being and it has taken me a lot of time and effort to make this thread .
:cool:

Seems as though some have considered that ^^^^^^^^^^

This is unfortunately my last ever thread about this topic and other relating topics .
Not just because it becomes tiresome trying to get through to ignorant fools , but mainly because I refuse to become a fool for suffering fools willingly .

I have learned one big thing today .

there is me talking about people who refuse to learn ------and here I am going over the same routines in return when trying to help .
now for what excuse or reason any one places upon me that it is my fault as to why they refuse to learn or why apparently its me this its me that bla bla bla ----------I am up to boiling point taking the blame for people who refuse to accept personal responsability for their lazy minded and blameless unblemishable ignorant self .
quite frankly --------------whether you like it or not --------life happens .
( and dont you dare come to my door )!:cool:

as for all those who have seen why I have created this thread and taken part in it with respect you have my best wishes for the future and you will see me here on forum , but Im sure you understand that my work has been done .I am not going through this same old scratched record every time I help others -----im sure you see whats going on .
i have made many threads on this matter , and now consider that those who do matter and are bothered about their own safety and do bother ------- that they will understand that there is only so much one person can do .
my sincere thanks go out to you all for your support and inter-actions on all my threads .

I will be seeing you on forum soon no doubt ----------but threads like this have now come to end sadly enough .

I have done my bit

I now consider it all now up to the individual to take their own destiny in their own hands .

:)

[white horse]

Yo Tracker.

Greetings.

Let me first paint you my scenario:

PROFILE:
I am a white male, mid 30s, living with a woman, similar age, her two children, (a teenager and an early-schooler), in a decent house in a good area of a large northern city, along with a hamster, 4 cats, and some occassional mice, we have a reasonable sized garden.

I work full time, my partner works semi-time, teenager is at college, youngster at school.


Both myself and my partner are aware of 'something' in the air, something BIG around the corner; at the least a creeping totalitarian Big-Brother fascist state, with possibilities of martial law and curtailments of basic human rights, to large scale environmental catastrophies and social-order breakdown.

Here is the balancing act.

I have to work fulltime (working for large pharma, I mean come on!) in order to pay the rent and the bills, basic. Now you could go through the arguments of not feeding the furnaces of the 'illuminati' by not using money. OK, if we lived on a commune in Dorset that may be a real option.

Roles and Responsibilities:

Our priority is the safety, comfort and empowerment of our family/household unit.

My partner's role is to provide a life for her daughters, by providing the very basic needs fo rlife, and the platform for that life to establish, develop and grow. That means providing a comfortable bed/home, food, clean clothing, and to provide love, warmth, fun and enjoyment.

My role is to provide my partner with the tools she needs to provide for her daughters.

It can be labelled a 'traditional' model, but it is working for us at the moment.

Be Prepared!

So what do you do when you have built a functional unit but are aware of both the impending doom and the inherent evilness of the system? We knowingly take part, because we have to, and it can be used to your own advantage. I mean where do you draw the line? Go and live in a field or a cave? And what about the children?

1 - We have started to grow our own food. This does not/will not /cannot provide 100% of our food needs. This does take a lot of effort, small layout of cash. Our first year had mixed results but was very useful in learning and adapting for next year. I am constructing some poly-tunnel units, bought some good quality seeds and have a much better plan to start the new year with... :)

However, we are also aware of some facts about the future. IF society collapses, there will come a point when it is physically impossible to protect your personal possesions including your food store and food production. Either the 'state' will send soldiers or starving locals will pull your fences down and take you plants. It's something that is central to tracker's fundamental point;

(Therefore we are planning the food growing strategy on 1 and 2 year plans.)

The Future:

The future is something we have discussed a lot; what to do in the furutre?

Well, myself and my partner are both aware of a feeling of something bad around the corner.

We both have recognised that if you take all the scenarios to the nth degree, there looms the certainty that we would have to leave the city.

This remains a shadow over any real strategic approach. We deal in shorter term strategies of about a year, maybe two, in the knowledge that we may 'lose' or have to discard all that we have and worked for.

We know money is a scam, we know society is geared towards controlling us, and that there are more and more functions of the state that are designed to treat me as a threat if need be. We are both aware that our state may become the greatest enemy of our medium term future.

So when do you judge when to leave the city? In a martial law lock down, you are going to be easier to loacate and cotrol in a big city. There may come a day when we have to move to the countryside to escape the worst clutches of state fascism.

Also, depending on the type of the emergency, you may be faced with a degree of social breakdown and anarchy. This may mean getting out of hte city. But is it only temporary? What about afterwards? Is it going to be worse after a period of anarchy with a state-fascist lock down? Is going to be better to exit the city and remain outside?

We have somewhere in mind. It is quite remote, but it is not totally isolated in an extremity. I beleive there will be planty of places to 'hidfe yourself' away from the major cities and large towns.

However if the is a major and sustained flood, then a massive area of this locale would be badly affected, totally engulfing our current city and our 'planned bolt-hole'. We woudl then be really fucked. It's difficult to know how to plan for that type of event.

It is a testiment to the 'vibe of the times' that we have included, however sketchely, plans for the future that are straight from a sci-fi B-Movie or a war!

It's a difficult balancing act.

The Matrix: Data > Information > Knowledge > Wisdom

There is a fundamental problem and that is using infomration to base your decisions and actions with. If you are in mind-set that has brought you to this stage of the stragey design, then you will be well aware that you cannot trust the vast majority of the information yuo have access to. Good information is at teh heart of your strategy.

We therfore realise the importance of being able to perform tactically, in the shorter term. And that includes eating well and trying to avoid stress and poisons. In this fundamental way the very least we will be able to provide in any emergency/stress situtation is our mental and physical ability. We remain fit and healthy because we recognise that even living soft in city we may need our 'fight and flight' to kick in very quickly and run on maximum for a sustained period.

To supplement our natural abilities, we also need some good information, both on how to survive, but also when to kick in.

THAT is the challenge and the process I am going through right now... sifting the information...

Peace...
WH

[tracker]

Yo Tracker.

dude .

Now I like a good long detailed reply but that does not mean I dont respect short ones --------I just like those who spend time dedicating a topic so I will do my best to justify your time and efforts .

Yo Tracker.

Greetings.

Let me first paint you my scenario:

PROFILE:
I am a white male, mid 30s, living with a woman, similar age, her two children, (a teenager and an early-schooler), in a decent house in a good area of a large northern city, along with a hamster, 4 cats, and some occassional mice, we have a reasonable sized garden.



I know what thats like .
Im male - 41 -- two kids , 15 year old boy 7 Year old girl so I already know the concerns there my friend . I too am busy and my partner works also . It isnt easy to work / research / try new things / gather intell / work on it / preparing etc -------------it aint no easy ride thats for sure .
What we both have is girls ------something that we both know can attract danger but also ------ALSO --------make us more vigalent, cunning and resorceful .
We have to be .
An idea that Wazaap told me about these concerns I onced told him was that our main tactic would not be to "Run and hide" but more over to simply "Hide" as family units are easy to spot and run down , thus extra cunning is required .
Think of what you would do and where you would go ------------then dont go there . Why ? because thats p[robably what every one esle would think of .
Cunning !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Both myself and my partner are aware of 'something' in the air, something BIG around the corner; at the least a creeping totalitarian Big-Brother fascist state, with possibilities of martial law and curtailments of basic human rights, to large scale environmental catastrophies and social-order breakdown.

Yes well even if it was just something simple like a REGIONAL electrical blackout ( Not local ) it can trigger the need for martial law . Just small things like ---------- a bad winter means ---------electric shortages , thus food doesnt get to shop shelves and shops shut . water can freeze pipes , gas can stop , then we are buggered !
just simple things can completley break down this insanely weal system that so many have placed their whole life dependancies upon like fools .


Here is the balancing act.

I have to work fulltime (working for large pharma, I mean come on!) in order to pay the rent and the bills, basic. Now you could go through the arguments of not feeding the furnaces of the 'illuminati' by not using money. OK, if we lived on a commune in Dorset that may be a real option

Try Ireland ! nearer to iceland and canada . Not as much security and they need folks for rented places .

try the survival thread as many a secret lay within --------------------its hidden because of its name -----not many folks will ever guess what secrets lay in that one ---a good read -----and some good area location details ! you will not regret it .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88434


Our priority is the safety, comfort and empowerment of our family/household unit.

My partner's role is to provide a life for her daughters, by providing the very basic needs fo rlife, and the platform for that life to establish, develop and grow. That means providing a comfortable bed/home, food, clean clothing, and to provide love, warmth, fun and enjoyment.

My role is to provide my partner with the tools she needs to provide for her daughters.

It can be labelled a 'traditional' model, but it is working for us at the moment.

Be Prepared!



same as dude ! its not old fashioned ------------its actually the way nature intended . the only reason why most relationships fail is when we try to force -------ideals that nature does not agree with .
My idea is this .
Mum loves as nature has made her a loving life pod !
dad chaces the monsters away ----------thats how nature made us !


So what do you do when you have built a functional unit but are aware of both the impending doom and the inherent evilness of the system? We knowingly take part, because we have to, and it can be used to your own advantage. I mean where do you draw the line? Go and live in a field or a cave? And what about the children?

you just suck it up . because dads have to do that for the safety and well being of the children !
no tears
no remorce
NO REGRETS !
if you have a system job ---------do it well !
you'll know what to do when the time comes .
Cave you say ? try a mine -----------no one goes there !
keep it well defended and always know an alternative route out of there .
children ? well you have to take them with you .
if times got bad --who knows ------------one might have to consider --------------------going to the authorities for help and aid .
We are talking about being fathers in SURVIVAL situations ----thus -----if your only alternative is TPTB -helping you -------then it must be done . the SURVIVAL of your children is parramount as you know .
Who knows you could act as a spokes person telling folks how hard it was and how glad you are that you are now uner the wing of big bro ----------------------- Making deals and cunning ------------is the key .
you childrens SURVIVAL is parramount . Survival does not mean fighting TPTB ------------survival means ----surviving , and that also means using what you can ------------to survive !
Fk the sheeple -----if they think your a boot licker ----fkem !
if you work big farma -and have survival skills -----hell the PTB can use you , and you can use them and help them maintain order because the simple masses would just rip each other apart if they were left to their own devises . we both know this . Survival is ----------survival end stop !
you would be more use to them alive than dead .



1 - We have started to grow our own food. This does not/will not /cannot provide 100% of our food needs. This does take a lot of effort, small layout of cash. Our first year had mixed results but was very useful in learning and adapting for next year. I am constructing some poly-tunnel units, bought some good quality seeds and have a much better plan to start the new year with... :)
same as . we had an alottment 6 months ago - we are in the same situation almost .
and yes ---------it will only last so and so long which is why knowing natural food stuffs is essential also during that time . this way you can share the strain on your plot by introducing wild food things now and again . try the collin gems book "food for free" ------------its brill !


However, we are also aware of some facts about the future. IF society collapses, there will come a point when it is physically impossible to protect your personal possesions including your food store and food production. Either the 'state' will send soldiers or starving locals will pull your fences down and take you plants. It's something that is central to tracker's fundamental point;

(Therefore we are planning the food growing strategy on 1 and 2 year plans.)


yes we have had to face the same thing this end - it isnt fool proof -----but lets face it dude ------------how much are you slogging your guts out compared to most ?
it isnt fool proof --------but its proof you aint no fool!

The future is something we have discussed a lot; what to do in the furutre?

Well, myself and my partner are both aware of a feeling of something bad around the corner.

We both have recognised that if you take all the scenarios to the nth degree, there looms the certainty that we would have to leave the city.

This remains a shadow over any real strategic approach. We deal in shorter term strategies of about a year, maybe two, in the knowledge that we may 'lose' or have to discard all that we have and worked for.

We know money is a scam, we know society is geared towards controlling us, and that there are more and more functions of the state that are designed to treat me as a threat if need be. We are both aware that our state may become the greatest enemy of our medium term future.

yes the state can become a threat .meees is hoping not as easy as we think . Maybe a natural desaster will strike 1st ,but then they can bring in martial law . LOL --------------damned if they do ----------and damned if they dont because then they have too .
I wouldnt want their job -------would you ?
LOL


So when do you judge when to leave the city? In a martial law lock down, you are going to be easier to loacate and cotrol in a big city. There may come a day when we have to move to the countryside to escape the worst clutches of state fascism.

Also, depending on the type of the emergency, you may be faced with a degree of social breakdown and anarchy. This may mean getting out of hte city. But is it only temporary? What about afterwards? Is it going to be worse after a period of anarchy with a state-fascist lock down? Is going to be better to exit the city and remain outside?


unfortunately ----------if a big thing happened - by the time we actually get to know about it will be too late . Wecan only ---act on the time to our best accord .
I do think that to live outside the city might give a better chance ------but then Ive never like crouds ---and people are a pain in the ASS ! LOL.
one could try to live as long as poss outside the city and only go back --when or if a childs safety requires it .
nothing wrong in trying .
Your the daddy
I cannot tell you what to do .
it is your responsability im sure you know , I cannot tell the daddy of another child ---whats best for his children .



We have somewhere in mind. It is quite remote, but it is not totally isolated in an extremity. I beleive there will be planty of places to 'hidfe yourself' away from the major cities and large towns.

However if the is a major and sustained flood, then a massive area of this locale would be badly affected, totally engulfing our current city and our 'planned bolt-hole'. We woudl then be really fucked. It's difficult to know how to plan for that type of event.
its good you have a point to go to or atleast a last resort of a place to meet .
if a flood did come -yes ya buggered -----------but then a massive rock could fall on ya head .
ware a hard hat and wellies .
lol -----------trying to make you laugh .


It is a testiment to the 'vibe of the times' that we have included, however sketchely, plans for the future that are straight from a sci-fi B-Movie or a war!

It's a difficult balancing act.

The Matrix: Data > Information > Knowledge > Wisdom

There is a fundamental problem and that is using infomration to base your decisions and actions with. If you are in mind-set that has brought you to this stage of the stragey design, then you will be well aware that you cannot trust the vast majority of the information yuo have access to. Good information is at teh heart of your strategy.

We therfore realise the importance of being able to perform tactically, in the shorter term. And that includes eating well and trying to avoid stress and poisons. In this fundamental way the very least we will be able to provide in any emergency/stress situtation is our mental and physical ability. We remain fit and healthy because we recognise that even living soft in city we may need our 'fight and flight' to kick in very quickly and run on maximum for a sustained period.

To supplement our natural abilities, we also need some good information, both on how to survive, but also when to kick in.

THAT is the challenge and the process I am going through right now... sifting the information...

Peace...
WH

short term for now ---------- but you have prepared long term and short term --on temp ideas -------now thats good because it allows improvements and adjustments !

kicking that survival mode in is the most frightening and most difficult because nealr half of survival is actually psychology .
its no good having all the gear and no idea -----or the guts to use it .
overcoming fear is peoples biggest hill to climb yet I see you have taken care of most of that .
its the best that we can do . dont worry about the details too much .
you have oustanded your self among a nation of fathers and proved that beyond all else ------you truly love your family .
your time and efforts which also includes posting on this forum , practicly go beyond normal fatherly jobs -----------so rest asured for atleast a day ------------or two -------------------you are a good father .

I cant see ---------failure heading your way !
your a brilliant dad ! :cool:
sounds like a bit of a brilliant mum in the backgrounds to .:)

[infinite tea]

Hey tracker, just read your post and thought it was brilliant. Thanks dude :-)

[kisatu]

Very interesting tracker. Subscribing to the thread and having a good scan over tomorrow.

The get up and go bag is essential for me to sort.

[white horse]

Hey thanks for your comments Tracker... :)

[Yes - she is a brilliant mother! We have a strong and tallented family unit]

I think we are on the same wave length here; if I was single I would perhaps be acting this scenario out differently, coudl spend more time on things like survival course ane the like, and maybe prepare to be a very active player during this 'end time transition'.

But I have a different set of roles.

It does remind me of Nazi Germany, and other industrial based totalitarian states;

I can see the need to retract from the front line and 'hide' the family unit within the society, becoming the 'gray man', not throwing stones at police or trying to smash the state from the street corner.


An idea that Wazaap told me about these concerns I onced told him was that our main tactic would not be to "Run and hide" but more over to simply "Hide" as family units are easy to spot and run down , thus extra cunning is required .
Think of what you would do and where you would go ------------then dont go there . Why ? because thats p[robably what every one esle would think of .


Ah yes - well the location we have in mind is off the beaten track, and fairly remote enough to escape direct attention. No it is not in a mine! But I do know the location of an old quarry that is currently occupied, by an alternative energey centre in fact. I also know the location of a couple of railway tunnels along abandoned non-existent lines.

I can also visualise us remaining in the city and part of the state, but we are 'pretending' to take part, and are secretly 'uncomplying'. Maybe we will also become involved in supporting actual resistance units, or helping fugitives from the state in some way.

Maybe at some point I will leave, and they will stay in the city where they will be safer, where my role means that I will have to exit the city and live outside, perhaps even outside the law. Who knows.

This type of thinking goes into some strange and nasty corners. And the actions are really determine a lot by the age of the children involved.

It has certainly put a different perspective on my studies of NAzi Germany, you forget how strong the family unit is, but how vulnerable it is also. If you were a family helping a French Resistance cell you could find your family being tortured and executing. That does wonders for a man's ability to inform or to comply.

We are on a nasty tight rope...!


Try Ireland ! nearer to iceland and canada . Not as much security and they need folks for rented places .

Funnily enough Ireland was high on the list of places ot 'escape to'...

But then relating to your comment above, it would also be on a lto fo ther people's exit lists also!


you just suck it up . because dads have to do that for the safety and well being of the children !
no tears
no remorce
NO REGRETS !
if you have a system job ---------do it well !
you'll know what to do when the time comes .



Yeah pretty much. We also want to enjoy ourselves - I want to get into writing more, and I want to be able to provide enough so that my partner can go to university.

So I think that the next phase will be putting some form of strategy into practical opration, to give us a cushion between the unit and the outer society which is becoming harmful to us, and to prepare to become 'independant'.

Yes - kicking it in is going to be hard, and part of that is because the state is clever enough to do this by steps and not all at once, to avoid shocking the population into action.

It's going to be a confusing and frightening time, because you will not know who to trust, or what to trust, and how to judge your actions, against the enourmous edifice that you have spent your life serving.

2012

This has become a central theme to the topic would you agree?

I have mixed feelings on this topic.

While I do think I understand the basis of the Mayan calendar, and the Galactic Great Year cysle, with the claims that the Earth/Sol alignment will be passing from the south side of the galaxy to the north side, crossing the Galactic Equator etc etc

What I also visualize, is that topic being taken and used by the ptb to generate a focal point to promote their use of a massive global false flag orperation to accelerate teh nwo. No you will run into things like BlueBeam, a massive alien encounter taking place on Earth. All an illusion. All generated by the nwo and its media matrix, hollywood etc.

I believe therefore that the anticipated large event is a piece of theatrical makebelieve, and that 90+% of society will buy it and live the lillusion out and play their part. Some of us will see beyond the illusion, as see the strings. Then you are in a different survival paradigm. Maybe they can use this event against you. If you do not conform to the events unfolding, you may find yourperson adn your family and close associates incarcerated by the state as it tries to implement whatever emergency measures it is trying to put into place.

If they tell you that every citizen MUST carry an RFID implant or RF ID card - due to the recent events of the large scale alien contact, maybe this becomes obligatory to avoid the security implicatiosn of a possibly hostile species with the ability to 'morph its appearance'... Invasion of the Bodysnatchers and 'V' both allegories for Nazi Germany (and other states) and both of which the challenge is that you cannot trust the media, the government, the military, your neighbours, possibly even your own family.

So yeah, preparing for 2012 is a multi facetted operation; you may be preparing form somthing that does not exist but will manifest anyway.

This means, we have (like Y2K which I worked on for a large company) a ticking clock, we have a specified date deadline; we also have the spectre of the unknown things this dat eis going to manifest.

Strange times. Exciting times. Dnagerous times. Painfull times.

What do I believe in my heart about the next few years?

Well, I do believe 2012 is a specific and definable celesxtial event, even if it is only due to our angle of observation rather than our actual transit in the Galaxy, who knows, there is a point we pass on 21 Dec 2012 (There is also another one, possibly more crusila on 21/22 MArch 1013, which is an equinox, which is a point of change, rather than a solstice which is a static point.)

The Mayan's were excellent seers, they made it their bread and butter, and that is what their time wheels are all about. This was intimately linked to astronomy; so these devices were cleverly constructed to work out cycles, wheels, of times relating to the orbits of planets of the solar system, the sun and the moon, and also larger wheels like precession and the great galactic year. There are all sorts of cycles at large and small scales.

However, what they found was two things: - One was that everything they 'saw' spanned a length of time that converged on 2012/13. If they plotted all there predictions in astronomy/astrology then they would all converge at one point in th efuture. They could not make any predictions after 2012. For them the universe/cosmos stopped.

They did have the sight to be able to see the reason why this happened; it was becasue their wheels were calibreated for the southern half of the galaxy; all of their equations became the opposite values when they were located in the northern half. So they stated that; they basically advertised the fact that they were masters of the universal cycles upto a point then they could not porvide any further information. For them it was not the end of the cosmos; it mat brign on cataclysmic events due to other reletivistic causes (like passing through a denser gravity/magnetic field??).

So number 1 - is prepare for that date span; if the state is going to bring the hammer down, whatever the stimulus is the result is likely the same. Can you prepare for that? What can you do to prepare for that? Can you decify truth from reality?

Number 2 - is preparing for the aftermath.

The 'End Times'

Here is what I believe of the series of events; I don't believ that the side of good and right that I am sure you and I and most peopel on this forum are on, and would maybe fight for. I don't think we will win, or can win in the first period of this 'war'/event to bring about the final phase of the nwo.

There will be resistence, and there may be armed resistance in pockets that fight the formal imposition of the NWO. But if you fight you cannot win. If you fight them you become them. What if the armed resistors managed to defeat the NWO, it would have to be vviolent, and then what; we cannot go back to what we were before, I mean the place is craxy you would not design this; so they would have to develop the framework for the survivors to create some kind of society.

I see that being very messy and not working at all. And besides, I beleive they will impose the NWO. It will be the duty of the citizens to remember the old ways, by hiding them. I believe the NWO can only be destroyed by its own generations who reject it; which means possibly our children/grandchildren will have to be eqipped with the necessary information and tools to be able to believe that the state is evil and the NWO has been imposed on us. It may need a generation that has never known 'our world' must throw it off to be abel to create something new from the ashes and nothing that replicates aour evil ridden world.

Maybe I'm just a dreamer! :p

[andyh]

Funnily enough Ireland was high on the list of places ot 'escape to'...

But then relating to your comment above, it would also be on a lto fo ther people's exit lists also!



Well seeing as you work for a pharma company it would make sense.

Did you see http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88434 ?

[petercookie]

Good thread tracker, your input in appreaciated mate.

The rule of 3 - You can last about 3 mins without air, 3 hours without shelter (in bad weather), 3 days without water, and 3 weeks without food(if not more)

^ So thats your prioritys. Food is not the problem in short term survial situations........... You have about 3 weeks worth kept away as fats and carbs in your body.

long term survival situations then food is.. i reccomend people learn wild plants to eat, they grow all around us and most people are not aware that there is food by the side of roads/grassland areas. Food is abundant but its just those with the knowledge see it......... thiose without starve.

I made a thread about wild food here - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86926

[freedomnonfighter]

Thank you for your efforts in providing information.

I'm just beginning to learn about survival.

I don't know shit... I've been pampered by modern culture all my life, totally dependent on money/restaurants/stores for food and everything else.

Want to learn to be a human being, to be able to sustain myself - more independent. Just picked up a hefty book on survival, got a lot to learn... even more to put into practice when ready :)

[tracker]

Hey tracker, just read your post and thought it was brilliant. Thanks dude :-)

Thankyou too .
There are many good threads in the survival section , I hope youve given them a read , they are especially brilliant for folks who like to be prepared for any occasion .:cool:

[tracker]

Good thread tracker, your input in appreaciated mate.

The rule of 3 - You can last about 3 mins without air, 3 hours without shelter (in bad weather), 3 days without water, and 3 weeks without food(if not more)

^ So thats your prioritys. Food is not the problem in short term survial situations........... You have about 3 weeks worth kept away as fats and carbs in your body.

long term survival situations then food is.. i reccomend people learn wild plants to eat, they grow all around us and most people are not aware that there is food by the side of roads/grassland areas. Food is abundant but its just those with the knowledge see it......... thiose without starve.

I made a thread about wild food here - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86926

thats a wicked thread .
Pictures etc nd loads of knowledge .
someday it might be worth the effort to make a thread like so
"everything you need to know about surviving bad times" ---------thread and have many many links that go to threads like yours etc .

thanks for the reply , I remember that thread but skipped through it because unfortunately I had to visit my alottment and then forgot about it .

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[tracker]

Thank you for your efforts in providing information.

I'm just beginning to learn about survival.

I don't know shit... I've been pampered by modern culture all my life, totally dependent on money/restaurants/stores for food and everything else.

Want to learn to be a human being, to be able to sustain myself - more independent. Just picked up a hefty book on survival, got a lot to learn... even more to put into practice when ready :)Thats what it is about being truly human again ----------the gardeners and caretakers of planet earth .
by the way ------------- not many folk no jack about survival , even some of the best enthusiasts here are still beginners .

its fun to learn , and some of us practice at home ----------- got to start somewhere .

:D

[xpleet]

hey trackey ----------------------- how you dowin? :D


Got my food and defense arsenal.........

I'ma chillin when it gettin' ugly....

[tracker]

hey trackey ----------------------- how you dowin? :D


Got my food and defense arsenal.........

I'ma chillin when it gettin' ugly....

LOL Im doing fine .
Glad you saw this thread .

My defence arsonal is my mind .:D

all I have to do is chat them silly .:p

that will fkem up .:D

I am just about to reply to White-horse , below ---you might see some good points and comments from both of us on it , take a gander .
it took me two hours PMSL .

:cool:

[tracker]

I think we are on the same wave length here; if I was single I would perhaps be acting this scenario out differently, coudl spend more time on things like survival course ane the like, and maybe prepare to be a very active player during this 'end time transition'.

But I have a different set of roles.

you see thats just it . When the roll play changes , so do the tactics for survival . So many folk wind me up because they think that just because one learns about coping with reality ( because it can change so suddenly ) means that we are training to be Rambos . You and I know that gaining knowledge which can prepare us for bad times does not mean we are training to kill or be some type of underground gorrillar movement . those idiots enoy the hell out of me .
Being a family man changes our position because of a few things .
having a family means we have to think for a family .
having a family also means we have to think "multiple" ways ( like thinking in axtra dimensions )
having a family does mean that the PTB have leverage over us .
having a family also means -----its not just YOU or I ------------Its WE , and that means concerns for other peoples well being who might not have any responsability because of age etc .

I openly admit this and so say it in caps so it is clear -----not so much for you but for others to read it clear .

IF I WAS IN A SURVIVAL SITUATION BECAUSE OF SOME MARTIAL LAW SITUATION THIS MEANS I AM IN THE WILDNERNESS MAYBE . BUT IF ANY OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS HEALTH WAS IN DANGER I AM TELLING YOU ALL RIGHT NOW !!!!!!!!!!!! I WOULD GLADLY WALK BACK INTO A TOWN OR CITY ASKING FOR THEIR HELP !
IF THAT MEANT WORKING FOR THEM AS AN ENGINEER AND ALSO A FOOD GROWER AND A PART TIME SURVIVALIST TIPSTER FOR THE PTB ----------I WOULD DO SO !
WHY ?
BECAUSE BEING A SURVIVALIST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FIGHTING ANY ONE
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING A RAMBO
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BECOMING SOME TYPE OF GORRILLAR GROUP FOR WAR !

BEING A SURVIVALIST MEANS ---------USING WHAT ONE CAN -----------ENGINEERING THINGS AT ONES DESPOSAL TO SURVIVE !
A SURVIVALIST USES THE MEANS AROUND THEM ------------TO ---------------SURVIVE !

IF MY FAMILIES HEALTH WAS AT WRISK BET YOUR BOTTOM DOLLAR I WOULD !
AND GUESS WHAT ---------------------I WOULD DO THAT JOB -----REALLY WELL !
COZ IM A KICK ASS SURVIVALIST .
I DONT TRAIN TO FIGHT THE NWO -----I TRAIN TO SURVIVE IT .

sorry about that White-horse ------people just dont understand that the idea of being a survivalist means coping with bad times . I dont plan to always survive --------------I PLAN TO LIVE TOO .
there is a big difference between the two .
one only wants to be a survivalist situation for a tempory time -------not all their life . one hopes that bad times are short ----not long .
I will do anything as a father to ensure the safety and health of my family , bet ya bottom dollar I also do that good !
As I also know that you as a father will do too .

any fool stupid enough to think that he can shoot at a soldier or kill a police man is a FOOL .
and about a few seconds later ----------A DEAD FOOL !

I think that if soldiers lined the streets , they wouldnt be my biggest worry .
starving civilians would be ------thats a fact .
If you were suddenly cought in that situation ---------------if a soldier came to your door to take you away ----------he is going to be
trained in armed combat and urban warfare .
trained in unarmed combat
carrying an automatic weapon
backed up by a team with the same things
and have an armourd vehicle close by .

trying to defend ones home ------------with a family -------------could be the death of you in a very quick way .
the only best way to cope is to open the door quickly
be co-operative
be polite
show respect !
let them do their stuff .

it would be soldiers etc that you have to watch it would be civilians who may not knock
may not have rules
may not just want supplies ------------?

them you have to watch !


It does remind me of Nazi Germany, and other industrial based totalitarian states;


What I am going to say here might shock you .
OK --------there is an underlined hardlined group of Nazi fascists who are insane killing maniacs trying to form this NWO we keep hearing about .
But not all polotitions are like that , it is unfair that so many folk tarnish them all with the same brush .
ALSO --------just look at the scalywags about . adults not dissaplining their kids , adults who kill kids , adults who drive drunk and kill , adults who drive with no liscence and bla bla bla bla bla .
putting it simply ------------the masses are fkin stupid scroungers mostly . if the food ran out they would kill each other ! thats the truth of it .
so in bad times martial law might just have to be used for mine and your families safety .
a NWO ------------lets face facts ------some countries still have adults that run around in groups -------kidnapping children for rape . murder and resistance pockets for war . slave drivers , bla bla bla bla bla ----------------------the way things are going ------the NWO might just save our Butts !
lord knows sometimes I see the news and see just how pathetic some adults are and I dont blame governments for their hardlined view on crime .
sometimes .
not all the time .
some times ---is ee new ideas and laws --------and worry lol.



I can see the need to retract from the front line and 'hide' the family unit within the society, becoming the 'gray man', not throwing stones at police or trying to smash the state from the street corner.
Cunning !
being the chameleon isnt the same a passive conforming civilian .
the grey man ( chameleon ) isnt like the simple minded man - because the simple minded man does know that his worst enemies --------could be another simple minded man next to him .
the grey man knows this danger .


Ah yes - well the location we have in mind is off the beaten track, and fairly remote enough to escape direct attention. No it is not in a mine! But I do know the location of an old quarry that is currently occupied, by an alternative energey centre in fact. I also know the location of a couple of railway tunnels along abandoned non-existent lines.


Location location location lol.
anywhere one has too . times change and sometimes one must change location . anywhere where simple folk dont go . they could be your worst enemy .


I can also visualise us remaining in the city and part of the state, but we are 'pretending' to take part, and are secretly 'uncomplying'. Maybe we will also become involved in supporting actual resistance units, or helping fugitives from the state in some way.

It depends what type of resistance . If it is armed resistance ------------then ----------well I wouldnt do because I have children to concider . but who knows what the future holds .
I dread to think what would drive me to an armed resistance . I wont go there - parents worst nightmare -----you know the score .
If it is piecfull unarmed --then maybe .
I would have to test their waters , see their ideas etc 1st and also take consideration as to the state of civilian affairs too . you never know --martial law etc might be right for the time . you know what simple folk are like .
kill ya for a bite to eat .


Maybe at some point I will leave, and they will stay in the city where they will be safer, where my role means that I will have to exit the city and live outside, perhaps even outside the law. Who knows.
survival situations do not consider the law .
law does not cover those situations , it just stands as it is .
one must use ones own standards and proceedures to ones best ability .
compasion is usefull , but it cal also be the means to which folk use against you to get your stuff .

This type of thinking goes into some strange and nasty corners. And the actions are really determine a lot by the age of the children involved.
so true .


It has certainly put a different perspective on my studies of NAzi Germany, you forget how strong the family unit is, but how vulnerable it is also. If you were a family helping a French Resistance cell you could find your family being tortured and executing. That does wonders for a man's ability to inform or to comply.

We are on a nasty tight rope...!

yes we are on a nasty tightrope .


Funnily enough Ireland was high on the list of places ot 'escape to'...

But then relating to your comment above, it would also be on a lto fo ther people's exit lists also!

I dont think people will flock to Ireland .
Most will stand there in their homes shocked for about 3 days / then gobbsmacked for a week , then desperate for stuff for 3 weeks , then they might think about get out .

Yeah pretty much. We also want to enjoy ourselves - I want to get into writing more, and I want to be able to provide enough so that my partner can go to university.

good stuff -------if you cant enjoy your life whilst learning this knowledge your in the wrong room .
I defo enjoy my life . sruvivalism is only a pass time interest . thats all .
I too am at college learning more sutff ontop of my knowledge of engineering . why not ah ?
the more notches you have on your belt -----the better .
after all
skilled folks are treated better in bad times by the PTB .after all skilled folk might be needed .
"cunning ?????????"


So I think that the next phase will be putting some form of strategy into practical opration, to give us a cushion between the unit and the outer society which is becoming harmful to us, and to prepare to become 'independant'.

you are already becoming independant . the more you do the better .
society is becoming harmfull to them self right now-------lol. now you know why I said what I said about the NWO etc might be the right thing soon -----who knows ?
one must alwasy adapt .



Yes - kicking it in is going to be hard, and part of that is because the state is clever enough to do this by steps and not all at once, to avoid shocking the population into action.
the population will not react to civilians being shot dead
gassed
touchured
etc etc
but they will react when starvation sets in -------------and history proves that this is the most common case .



It's going to be a confusing and frightening time, because you will not know who to trust, or what to trust, and how to judge your actions, against the enourmous edifice that you have spent your life serving.

2012


thats usually the way for us all .


This has become a central theme to the topic would you agree?
seems that way .





I have mixed feelings on this topic.



Me too , sometimes I think its crap , sometimes I dont .
The Mayans did not say the world will end as you have said , it is just a point at which they couldnt see past .

I know that the new film called 2012 will certainly kick up some hype .
I have so much to say I will skip past this Mayan section you have made --------------its a large topic .

What I also visualize, is that topic being taken and used by the ptb to generate a focal point to promote their use of a massive global false flag orperation to accelerate teh nwo. No you will run into things like BlueBeam, a massive alien encounter taking place on Earth. All an illusion. All generated by the nwo and its media matrix, hollywood etc.

I believe therefore that the anticipated large event is a piece of theatrical makebelieve, and that 90+% of society will buy it and live the lillusion out and play their part. Some of us will see beyond the illusion, as see the strings. Then you are in a different survival paradigm. Maybe they can use this event against you. If you do not conform to the events unfolding, you may find yourperson adn your family and close associates incarcerated by the state as it tries to implement whatever emergency measures it is trying to put into place.

If they tell you that every citizen MUST carry an RFID implant or RF ID card - due to the recent events of the large scale alien contact, maybe this becomes obligatory to avoid the security implicatiosn of a possibly hostile species with the ability to 'morph its appearance'... Invasion of the Bodysnatchers and 'V' both allegories for Nazi Germany (and other states) and both of which the challenge is that you cannot trust the media, the government, the military, your neighbours, possibly even your own family.

So yeah, preparing for 2012 is a multi facetted operation; you may be preparing form somthing that does not exist but will manifest anyway.



something looms there of .
and as usual how do we know that everything ----------absolutely everything we think we know ------------------might be crap !
we could be being used ---us here to spread fear .
we all have to be vigulent , open minded , ready to act , and stay calm what ever it is .
we have to question everything .
its the only way to stay fully informed and well prepared .
thats what I think .


There will be resistence, and there may be armed resistance in pockets that fight the formal imposition of the NWO. But if you fight you cannot win. If you fight them you become them. What if the armed resistors managed to defeat the NWO, it would have to be vviolent, and then what; we cannot go back to what we were before, I mean the place is craxy you would not design this; so they would have to develop the framework for the survivors to create some kind of society.

I see that being very messy and not working at all. And besides, I beleive they will impose the NWO. It will be the duty of the citizens to remember the old ways, by hiding them. I believe the NWO can only be destroyed by its own generations who reject it; which means possibly our children/grandchildren will have to be eqipped with the necessary information and tools to be able to believe that the state is evil and the NWO has been imposed on us. It may need a generation that has never known 'our world' must throw it off to be abel to create something new from the ashes and nothing that replicates aour evil ridden world.

Maybe I'm just a dreamer! :p

It will be messy !
In the mean time me and my family will be well away from any action , and yes ------what would happen ?
we cant go back to the ways we were
cant carry on the NWO
it will be a mess indeed .
The best way if any is that those in high ranks looked inside their minds and just formed a group and kicked out the scum bags .
but then
maybe Im a dreamer .

lol.

[dolores1]

Thanks tracker,


Bear in mind you will also need long time plans, books, for education on folk medicine, getting sugar/honey for making alchohol for anteseptic and shock treatment, farming and stock breeding. Think along these lines and also keep the books dry.


Then and cutting trees for heat. A double handed saw takes 2 strong people and believe me I have cut down lots of trees. - It is not easy. You must leave time for the green wood to dry out.


Natural materials for making housing. The best one I saw was the Hobbit design.


Drying herbs and storing them safely, marking which they are and their many uses.


Digging laterines, using sponges as toilet roll, sourcing salt for food preservation. Also for when the worst of the time is over there is an excellent plan for making a magnetic electrical power source. When I find out how to do this I will post it or send it to tien an and maybe he would post it. I also have bought very cheap plans for making wind and solar power I can post these the same way. The materials are easily accessable.


Sea weed, called dulce here in Ireland is an excellent source of iodine and is eaten raw as it is great for your heart, healing the body and bone mending.


But the best survival plan is community. People of all ages have skills that are valuable. When you hunt who is going to babysit? Who can tell the tales, who can remember the old ways for toothache etc?

Just a few ideas.

[tracker]

Thanks tracker,


Bear in mind you will also need long time plans, books, for education on folk medicine, getting sugar/honey for making alchohol for anteseptic and shock treatment, farming and stock breeding. Think along these lines and also keep the books dry.


Then and cutting trees for heat. A double handed saw takes 2 strong people and believe me I have cut down lots of trees. - It is not easy. You must leave time for the green wood to dry out.


Natural materials for making housing. The best one I saw was the Hobbit design.


Drying herbs and storing them safely, marking which they are and their many uses.


Digging laterines, using sponges as toilet roll, sourcing salt for food preservation. Also for when the worst of the time is over there is an excellent plan for making a magnetic electrical power source. When I find out how to do this I will post it or send it to tien an and maybe he would post it. I also have bought very cheap plans for making wind and solar power I can post these the same way. The materials are easily accessable.


Sea weed, called dulce here in Ireland is an excellent source of iodine and is eaten raw as it is great for your heart, healing the body and bone mending.


But the best survival plan is community. People of all ages have skills that are valuable. When you hunt who is going to babysit? Who can tell the tales, who can remember the old ways for toothache etc?

Just a few ideas.

edited .

:cool:

[white horse]

I have considered a thread about a written informative tell tellstory of todays troubles that can link to the future generations if all knowledge of the elite goes missing .
telling them about
our criminal run governments
banks
business
how we did not give permition for nealry all these laws
poisioned foods and warnings for what it will do
poisoned water

so that should any one person find itin the future ----there will be some small complete achive of bloodlines/ groups , names
so that ------------- they can use as evidence ------to link to their future inprisoned state and see how hard we went fighting , informing , trying our best to get rid of these scum bags .

hopefully by then ------------- in the NWO generation --enough people might be able to do something .

who knows ?

like a proof of history time capsual .( the real history truth , and what its like seeing it all happen with out our permision )

what do you think ?


:cool:

Absolutely a great idea - in every post-apocolyptical sci-fi movie, there is always some form of record from before the coming of the evil that was cobbled together before hand by some well meaning and partially informed group!

It's endearing, in a non-patronising way of course! :D

Let tell you a quick tale; at University I had a radio show, 8-10pm Thursdays; anyway, I used to say to others that I did not care if I had no listeners, I would still do the 2 hour show as best I could!

So even if the record does not make it, it is still worth doing it!

OK - Count me in... I'm riotously busy at the moment... but I have thought along these lines before, so would have some input to contribute;

[tracker]

Absolutely a great idea - in every post-apocolyptical sci-fi movie, there is always some form of record from before the coming of the evil that was cobbled together before hand by some well meaning and partially informed group!

It's endearing, in a non-patronising way of course! :D

Let tell you a quick tale; at University I had a radio show, 8-10pm Thursdays; anyway, I used to say to others that I did not care if I had no listeners, I would still do the 2 hour show as best I could!

So even if the record does not make it, it is still worth doing it!

OK - Count me in... I'm riotously busy at the moment... but I have thought along these lines before, so would have some input to contribute;

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[tracker]

edited

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[tracker]

edited again for copy rights :)


:D

:cool:

[white horse]

1st of all we must make a thread .

call it time capsule .

we can make lists of elite bloodlines
what they do
what busninesses they run

bla bla bla

then show how we didnt want it

what warnings we have for the future .

ask them questions like --------are many children of your era now having many health problems ?

things like that .:)

OK - so we talking to future generations here.

A kind of potted history of how we got here herded by the elite.

I can do some pieces on history; definitions and history of freedom; the ten steps of fascism etc... :)

And also possibly astronomy - the type of stuff that is useful information; how to recognise the sky, find your direction, understand the times of year/day etc...

There's some work there, maybe can do it in a blog as well in parallel, as using just one thread may get messy...


TimeCapsule... hmmmmm

[vetis]

Thanks for the effort & info tracker.

I have been trying to find somewhere that sells Iodine, any ideas, links?

Cheers

If you have them Lidl is selling salt with iodine in it/iodized salt.

[tracker]

here are some facts written by others who really do know their stuff .

If you cant take my word for it -listen to them instead .

I say this -------not to people who know that this is true but to the doubters .

http://www.survivaltopics.com/survival/keep-your-preparedness-plans-to-yourself/



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[rollotomaz1]

here are some facts written by others who really do know their stuff .

If you cant take my word for it -listen to them instead .

I say this -------not to people who know that this is true but to the doubters .

http://www.survivaltopics.com/survival/keep-your-preparedness-plans-to-yourself/:cool:

Nice one track, I can see we are on track no pun intended by the way,

The more an ordinary punter on the street reads into such information the more he will soon realise that what may become fact, will soon come to realose that its not going to be easy for many people themselves included,

Threads like yours may be to many as scare mongering and doom and gloom, but at least you have tried to warn them of what's possible, so there is no harm done to anyone, one day they might if they survived thank such a person if they were forthcomming and honest and say so one day,

I think there is wise advice as to say, to try and get through the worst of things, then and only then start looking for help and protection with a community, because one man on his own may survive quite a bit longer because he is not tied as much, but a family is going to be hard pushed to survive any lengthy campains.

Like you have said survival skills is only a small portion of what will be needed a dose of peoples skills wouldn't go far wrong, then you know where you stand in the thickof it ;)

Cheers mucker, keep up the good work ;)

[tracker]

Nice one track, I can see we are on track no pun intended by the way,

The more an ordinary punter on the street reads into such information the more he will soon realise that what may become fact, will soon come to realose that its not going to be easy for many people themselves included,

Threads like yours may be to many as scare mongering and doom and gloom, but at least you have tried to warn them of what's possible, so there is no harm done to anyone, one day they might if they survived thank such a person if they were forthcomming and honest and say so one day,

I think there is wise advice as to say, to try and get through the worst of things, then and only then start looking for help and protection with a community, because one man on his own may survive quite a bit longer because he is not tied as much, but a family is going to be hard pushed to survive any lengthy campains.

Like you have said survival skills is only a small portion of what will be needed a dose of peoples skills wouldn't go far wrong, then you know where you stand in the thickof it ;)

Cheers mucker, keep up the good work ;)

I thankyou for your compliments and by reading your threads and posts it truly is a compliment as you are quite a person who does not take sides -----but knows what is right and wrong regardless the concept of sides .
that I admire very much .

I have told on my other threads that survival is only a small part , and If I had too ----I would not be afraid to work for the PTB as an engineer and a home safety counciler --------what ever -----because survival is about ------yes youve got it --------surviving .

I dont plan to fight the NWO ---i plan to survive it .:cool:

My children are my only priority and with that in mind ---------if i have to ( as they say ) sit and dine with the devil ------------so be it .

Some folks do say I am scare monering and doom and gloom .
but atleast I offer -----------some releif stratergies where others do not .

I look at their threads of doom and gloom and bad boy big brother ------yet none of them supply some defence or independance for the reader .

The typical bollocks I get on this forum is typical mind controlled reactions ----------and on an icke forum ???????????/ thats bad !

the same folks slagging me off are the same giving it the hype doom and gloom threads ----bad boy big brother ----yet offer no help so when these guys give it some to me ----------------I always remember what it is they do .
It makes taking their kiddy play ground slating matches quite easy to take mainly because I can see that they act like ferril kids let loose with anger problems because they dont have mothers boob in the cake holes .

:D

what they want is for me to titty feed them with cotton wool on all subjects .

personally Im not their nappy changer .

:)