Let's All Light Up!

[neutron flux]

An article on smoking that I think is a must read especially while we live with these Nazi laws banning smoking.

But really, let's have a nice chat about the fact that our whole planet seems to have descended into lunacy!

The other day I noticed an interesting article the SOTT editors picked up:

Brain cells work differently than previously thought: Nicotine helps to spark creativity

which tells us:

Increasingly, studies are beginning to show that complex information processing, and perhaps consciousness itself, may result from coordinated activity among many parts of the brain connected by bundles of long axons. Cognitive problems may occur when these areas don't communicate properly with each other. [...]

Using nicotine, they stimulated the axon to determine how it would affect a signal the brain cell sent to the cortex. Without applying nicotine, about 35 percent of the messages sent by the brain cell reached the cortex. But when nicotine was applied to the axon, the success rate nearly doubled to about 70 percent.

Nicotine DOUBLES the efficiency of our thinking. Hmmm... I think that makes it pretty clear why the PTB (Powers That Be) wish to stamp out smoking. After all, as one comment to the article mentioned, "if our immunity to emotional manipulation and psychopathic propaganda is directly proportional to the cortical control we can exert over the knee-jerk emotional reactions programmed into the amygdala. If smoking can DOUBLE the effective communication between the cortex and other parts of the brain, then what does that say about efforts to do away with smoking in the general population? Can't have any of the hysterical sheeple accidentally waking up and thinking rationally about their actions."

How true.

One only has to consider the History of Smoking Bans;

Throughout history smoking bans and prohibitions introduced by despots and totalitarian regimes have come and gone. The most recent in Europe prior to the introduction of Ireland's repressive smoking legislation were the anti smoking laws of the Third Reich, introduced by the Nazi's during their brief but devastating regime in Germany.

Despite some harsh punishments throughout the decades for those disobeying smoking bans including death, smoking and smokers have continued to thrive. Below are some of the failed smoking bans and prohibitions introduced throughout the ages including the proliferation of bans revoked after the failure of prohibition in America.

1575: Mexico: The first recorded passing of legislation prohibiting the use of Tobacco occurs when the Roman Catholic Church passes a law which prohibits smoking in any place of worship throughout the Spanish Colonies

1600s: World-wide Popes ban smoking in holy places and all places of worship. Pope Urban VIII (1623-44) threatens excommunication for those who smoke or take snuff in holy places.

1612: China Royal decree forbids the use and cultivation of tobacco

1617: Mongolia Mongolian Emperor prohibits the use of tobacco. People breaking the law face the death penalty.

1620: Japan bans the use of tobacco

1632: America The first recorded smoking ban in America occurs when Massachusetts introduces a ban on smoking in public places

1633: Turkey Sultan Murad IV bans smoking and as many as 18 people a day are executed for breaking his law.

1634: Russia Czar Alexis bans smoking. Those found guilty of a first offence risk whipping, a slit nose, and exile to Siberia. Those found guilty of a second offence face execution.

1634: Greece The Greek Church bans the use of tobacco claiming tobacco smoke was responsible for intoxicating Noah.

1638: China The use and supply of tobacco is made a crime punishable by decapitation for those convicted

1639: America Governor Kieft of New Amsterdam beats Bloomberg by hundreds of years and bans smoking in New Amsterdam later to become New York.

1640: Bhutan The founder of modern Bhutan, Shabdrung Ngawang Namgyal introduces that countries first smoking ban outlawing the use of tobacco in government buildings.

1647: America People are only allowed to smoke once a day and public smoking is prohibited in Connecticut

1650: Italy Pope Innocent X's issues a decree against smoking in St Peter's, Rome

1657: Switzerland Smoking prohibition introduced throughout Switzerland

1674: Russia Death penalty introduced for the crime of smoking.

1683: America First laws in America passed prohibiting smoking outdoors in Massachusetts. Philadelphia follows suit introducing fines for offenders.

1693: England First recorded ban in England introduced prohibiting smoking in certain areas of the chambers of parliament

* Smoking bans and prohibitions became rare during the 18th and 19th century. Trade in tobacco became an important source of revenue for monarchs and leaders and tobacco bans were revoked. Even the Pope not to be left out opened a tobacco factory in 1779.

1719: France Smoking is banned with the exception of a number of provinces.

1818: USA Smoking is banned on the streets of Lancaster, Pennsylvania. The mayor is fined when he becomes the first man to break the law.

1840: USA Smoking is banned in Boston

1893: USA Washington State introduces legislation banning the sale and consumption of cigarettes

1898: USA Total ban on cigarettes in the state of Tennessee

1900: USA The sale of cigarettes is now outlawed in the states of Washington, Iowa, Tennessee and North Dakota

1904: USA A women is sent to jail for 30 days by a New York judge for smoking in front of her children.

1905: USA Indiana introduces a total cigarette ban

1907: USA Washington passes legislation banning the manufacture, sale, exchange or giving away cigarettes, cigarette paper or wrappers

1914: USA Smoking banned in the US Senate

1922: USA 15 States now have laws banning the sale, manufacture, possession and use of cigarettes

Hitler was a fervent anti smoker and a crusader for the anti-smoking cause. He personally funded research into the dangers of smoking and little wonder those results given the nature of his regime tended to support his assertions that smoking was an evil the Aryan race must be rid of. Many of the studies carried out during the Third Reich are the basis for the arguments put forward today by those seeking the imposition of repressive smoking bans.

Hitler once stated that tobacco was "the wrath of the Red Man against the White Man" Under the Nazi's the Bureau Against the Dangers of Alcohol and Tobacco was established in 1939 followed in 1942 by the Institute for the Struggle against the dangers of Tobacco. Nazi's were the first to coin the term "passive smoking"

Under the Nazi regime the German people had imposed on them the most comprehensive set of tobacco regulations and restrictions seen in any modern nation to that date. Hitler himself took particular interest in this area often personally overseeing the drafting and implementation of anti smoking policy.

Bans And Restrictions in Nazi Germany

* The Luftwaffe banned smoking in 1938.

* The German Post office introduced.it's own ban

* Smoking was barred in many workplaces, government offices, hospitals,and rest homes.

* The NSDAP (National sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) announced a ban on smoking in its offices in 1939

* SS chief Heinrich Himmler announced a smoking ban for all uniformed police and SS officers while on duty in 1939

* Hermann Goering's bans soldiers from smoking on the streets, on marches, and while taking rest periods.

* Sixty of Germany's largest cities banned smoking on street cars in 1941.

* Smoking was banned in air raid shelters. Some provided separate rooms for smokers

* Tobacco coupons were denied to any woman who was pregnant

* Blanket smoking bans were introduced in many cafes, bars and restaurants

* Women below the age of 25 were banned from smoking

* Restaurants and cafes were barred from selling cigarettes to all female customers

* In July 1943 it became illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to smoke in public.

* Smoking was banned on all German city trains and buses in 1944. This initiative coming from Hitler himself,who was worried about exposure of young female conductors to tobacco smoke.

1973: America Arizona becomes the first state in the current wave of smoking bans to pass a comprehensive law restricting smoking in public places.

And the march continues:

Read more with all the relevent links: http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/139304-Let%27s+All+Light+Up%21

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations!, Neutron Flux:

Excellent post! There has to be a reason one Tobbacco plant produces a million seeds.

A researcher named: skr56 at the unhived mind forum has posted numerous essays(concerning Tobbacco) of scientific nature in the Truthsayer department of that Forum. Well worth a look-see for anyone interested in our friend, the Tobbacco Plant.

I, myself, enjoy numerous, natural leaf, hand rolled upon the thighs of mullatto virgins, Ciggarettes, everyday.

Again, thank you, for that excellent post, Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[limelady]

This must be why so many people light up a ciggy when they have to do some heavy thinking.....it must be instinct telling them nicotine will
help!!!

LL

[mr_moon]

This must be why so many people light up a ciggy when they have to do some heavy thinking.....it must be instinct telling them nicotine will
help!!!

LL

Hmmm... either that or some insane dis-info to keep people providing the Tobbacco Drug Overlords with 8 Billion pounds a year in the UK ALONE, keeping people with any Spiritual desires or feelings trapped in the Nicotine Addiction Realm and making sure that we have yet another excuse to carry on smoking.

No matter what information you are provided with, no matter what 'positive' effects drugs have on the Mind and Body, to put anything like that into it is poisoning the body.

We don't need poison. Maybe we needed it YEARS ago so we could be taught about Human Consciousness and where its going, what it could be etc... but we don't NEED it anymore! Surely we have learnt our lesson with smoking...?

We live in a World of choices now and we can develop and grow in any way we wish without the aid of anything but ourselves.

Don't let those murderers trick you into thinking smoking is OK because it isn't. It kills you. It makes you dependant on something external.

Smoking ban? Just another emotional tactic to make people smoke more and another divisional tactic to put smokers 'outside'. Seperating smokers from non-smokers. Fines, control...

We need to listen to our selves and KNOW that smoking IS EVIL!!!

I used to smoke by the way... so i understand what was going on inside me.

Much Love,

Jay
xxx

[bigus_dickus]

We need to listen to our selves and KNOW that smoking IS EVIL!!!

i disagree, smoking IS GOOD!!! ;)

[mr_moon]

Also just another point:

The 'Powers that Be' DON'T want us to quit smoking at all- they know that NICOTINE is ADDICTIVE and so how much FEAR and PANIC can you cause by the threat of banning smoking? How much MORE money can you make with NICOTINE REPLACEMENT?? You've seen the cost... if not go and have a look...

We're being taken for fools. They are laughing in our faces. Well i think it might be time to become aware of this...

[tinmenace]

Yeah, one has to wonder if it's reverse-psychology?:confused:

[mr_moon]

i disagree, smoking IS GOOD!!! ;)

At what cost? Walking in the fields is good. Hugging is good. Eating nice food is good... but they don't kill you and fund the Slave Driving Drug Barons and the Government do they...?

[joss classey]

i love smoking

it's ironic

yesterday i was telling people that smoking is good for you without any of this knowledge!

[bigus_dickus]

At what cost?

3 euros a pack.

[joss classey]

3 euros a pack.

haha

priceless

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Maybe we should just grow our own tobacco?

[bigus_dickus]

Walking in the fields is good. Hugging is good. Eating nice food is good... but they don't kill you and fund the Slave Driving Drug Barons and the Government do they...?

if there is no bear around, if the hug is not too tight, if you don't eat too much of it. otherwise they kill you and they are EVIL ;)

[mr_moon]

Yeah, one has to wonder if it's reverse-psychology?:confused:

Of course it is! It's glaringly obvious what they're doing.

What do we gain from smoking?

What does smoking do to our bodies?

Who gets the money from cigarettes and tobacco?

Where does the tobacco come from?

How easy is the mind to be conditioned that smoking is good?

Where would brainwashing come from, to make us 'believe' that smoking is OK? Two words: THE MEDIA.

Would we smoke if we didn't know what it was?

If smoking is instinctive, then why does smoking and the effects of it make us squirm when we are children?

Why does our first cigarette taste like pure shit and make us sick?

[mr_moon]

if there is no bear around, if the hug is not too tight, if you don't eat too much of it. otherwise they kill you and they are EVIL ;)

Hehe... fair enough...

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

What about pure tobacco grown from YOU yourself?

I think the shit that is killing us is the posin inside of it. Not the nicotine. It's already been proven that rat-poisin, mercury and other things go into ciggs.

So why not grow your own?

[mr_moon]

i love smoking

it's ironic

yesterday i was telling people that smoking is good for you without any of this knowledge!

Here's a challenge then... if smoking is good, walk away and never do it again. How does that make you feel inside? The prospect of never smoking another cigarette? Fearful? Sadness? Dependent? Ignorant? Defensive?

[mr_moon]

What about pure tobacco grown from YOU yourself?

I think the shit that is killing us is the posin inside of it. Not the nicotine. It's already been proven that rat-poisin, mercury and other things go into ciggs.

So why not grow your own?

Because Nicotine is a poison and it's addictive. Only mildly addictive (the rest is psychological) but it is still addictive.

We don't need poison...

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations!:

Mr. Moon: I understand your position completely and dis-agree. One mans meat is another mans poison.

Why does one Tobacco Plant produce 1,000,000 seeds?

Read those essays at the unhived mind before carving your decision in stone.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

Addendum: Natural Tobbacco is available world wide. Roll your own. Better Tobbacco and cost far less. Cheers!

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Because Nicotine is a poison and it's addictive. Only mildly addictive (the rest is psychological) but it is still addictive.

We don't need poison...

However, so are you saying that Icke is wrong on making your own reality?

Is it not strange that those who are stressed out most of their lives are the ones that get cancer quicker?

Perhaps it's not just the nicotine? Perhaps it's also the air in the area that we breathe aswell?

You can't deny that living in a city is unhealthy, esspecially when it comes to how clean the air is.

Perhaps cancer and these sicknesses only exist in your reality if you allow it, no?

[28th kingdom]

Is thread a fvcking joke? I can't tell - surely you people don't smoke... I mean - surely you don't. How can you respect yerself and smoke?

With the knowledge with have about how deadly cigarettes are... I consider anyone who continues to smoke as suicidal.

[mr_moon]

Another effect of Nicotine Addiction is the MIND gets a good feeding and throws out ANY kind of excuse to keep having it...

... trust me i've had EXACTLY the same excuses come out of my Mind about it but i can honestly tell you that once you realise you've been brainwashed- you will wonder why the fuck you smoked in the first place. When i realised this I cried my heart out at what a fucking MUG i'd been all those years of my life.

Much Love,

Jay
xxx

[notaslave]

Of course it is! It's glaringly obvious what they're doing.

What do we gain from smoking? pleasure

What does smoking do to our bodies? kickstarts it in the morning, calms it.

Who gets the money from cigarettes and tobacco? a wee dole punter who sells the illegal imports on the side.

Where does the tobacco come from? belgium usually

How easy is the mind to be conditioned that smoking is good? relatively easily - if you try hard enough

Where would brainwashing come from, to make us 'believe' that smoking is OK? Two words: THE MEDIA. not the media in my neck of the woods.

Would we smoke if we didn't know what it was? probably would find some use for it, or smoke bayleafs instead (not recommended)

If smoking is instinctive, then why does smoking and the effects of it make us squirm when we are children? for the same reason kids wont eat carrots

Why does our first cigarette taste like pure shit and make us sick? like all good things you have to persevere

[bigus_dickus]

Here's a challenge then... if smoking is good, walk away and never do it again. How does that make you feel inside? The prospect of never smoking another cigarette? Fearful? Sadness? Dependent? Ignorant? Defensive?

i can answer that. i don't want to walk away from it and never do it again. not because it will make me feel something inside, because it won't. the "bad" thing is that i am going to be forced to do something that i don't want to do, just to prove a silly point of... nothing really.

let me ask you something. i hereby inform you that sleeping is bad for your health, no matter what you believe, because what you believe is lies. if you think that sleeping is good for you, then do this test: stop sleeping. how does the prospect of never sleeping again make you feel inside? fearful? sadness? dependent? ignorant? defensive?

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Another effect of Nicotine Addiction is the MIND gets a good feeding and throws out ANY kind of excuse to keep having it...

... trust me i've had EXACTLY the same excuses come out of my Mind about it but i can honestly tell you that once you realise you've been brainwashed- you will wonder why the fuck you smoked in the first place. When i realised this I cried my heart out at what a fucking MUG i'd been all those years of my life.

Much Love,

Jay
xxx

So why would they want us to stop smoking?

The illuminati doesn't want to help us. Your first thought would be they would encourage smoking. So, why are they trying to force us to quit?

[mr_moon]

However, so are you saying that Icke is wrong on making your own reality?

Is it not strange that those who are stressed out most of their lives are the ones that get cancer quicker?

Perhaps it's not just the nicotine? Perhaps it's also the air in the area that we breathe aswell?

You can't deny that living in a city is unhealthy, esspecially when it comes to how clean the air is.

Perhaps cancer and these sicknesses only exist in your reality if you allow it, no?

I think it's wise to remember that we are all creating Reality. I don't think that David Icke means what we see is ENTIRELY our Reality, otherwise you could Manifest ANYTHING and people wouldn't be able to see them etc...

...we are Co-Creators. This must be remembered. Reality is about acceptance, allowance, Joy, Love and DIMENSIONS. We exist together in various dimensions and sub-dimensions ALL the time. We experience similar and same perceptions. We experience individual perceptions. Group perceptions. We DO create our own reality but it must always be remembered that something as large scale as Nicotine Addiction (the NUMBER ONE KILLER DRUG IN THE WORLD) cannot simply be ignored.

It's too convenient to say 'if you create your own reality' because that is ignorance of something that we as a Human Race have created. It's real. IT has been manifested.

If you can take or leave smoking (for example have ONE cigarette every year) then i would take back everything i said...

[joss classey]

i don't give a fuck about dying anyway. i do what i like

[mr_moon]

So why would they want us to stop smoking?

The illuminati doesn't want to help us. Your first thought would be they would encourage smoking. So, why are they trying to force us to quit?

They're not trying to stop us from having Nicotine...

Their way of 'trying' to stop us from smoking is by encouraging our Fears about quitting, telling us we are going to die and we MUST have Nicotine Replacement. Where does the Nicotine Replacement money go? The Government...

How much more expensive is it than smoking? A SHIT LOAD!!

The say we need 'Will power' to stop smoking but you know the truth is, it takes NO Will Power whatsoever to stop smoking. It takes more to keep on smoking.

It's brainwashing! BRAINWASHING!!

I recommend checking out Allen Carrs EASYWAY method because he understood what the fuckers were all about and its helped me and MANY people i know.

I just hope you read or steal one of his books or DVD's sooner rather than later...

[mr_moon]

i can answer that. i don't want to walk away from it and never do it again. not because it will make me feel something inside, because it won't. the "bad" thing is that i am going to be forced to do something that i don't want to do, just to prove a silly point of... nothing really.

let me ask you something. i hereby inform you that sleeping is bad for your health, no matter what you believe, because what you believe is lies. if you think that sleeping is good for you, then do this test: stop sleeping. how does the prospect of never sleeping again make you feel inside? fearful? sadness? dependent? ignorant? defensive?

It actually makes me want to do some research and find out... but something tells me i might not just believe what i'm told...

I think looking at my Dad and seeing the way he coughs is quite a good start for research about smoking actually...

Listen. I'm not trying to tell anybody what to do. I'm not saying anyone is bad for smoking. You can do whatever you like for me because you make your own choices and that's that.

But here this: Do the Research. LIVE the experience. Listen to your HEART and not your MIND. Take note about how you REALLY feel when you smoke.

CONSCIOUSLY smoke a FULL cigarette or roll up or whatever you smoke and take note of how it makes you feel before and after.

[mr_moon]

i don't give a fuck about dying anyway. i do what i like

That's fair enough. But would you jump in front of a bus if someone told you it was good?

[joss classey]

That's fair enough. But would you jump in front of a bus if someone told you it was good?

i actually did jump in front of a van. i told myself though

[notaslave]

He needs to calm down and have a cigarette

[mr_moon]

He needs to calm down and have a cigarette

Sorry guys :(

I just don't like seeing people being manipulated by Negative Forces.

I hope you all have a nice life and maybe one day this will all be looked upon with Smiles and Laughter.

Much Love to you all,

Jay
xxx

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Yoo Hoo!!, mr_moon:

Perhaps it is an oversight, but you have not responded to my query: Why does ONE (1) Tobbacco Plant, produce 1,000,000 seeds?

My Gratitude, in advance; Respectfully: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[bigus_dickus]

It actually makes me want to do some research and find out... but something tells me i might not just believe what i'm told...

oh please don't, i was just kidding to show you something :)

Listen. I'm not trying to tell anybody what to do. I'm not saying anyone is bad for smoking. You can do whatever you like for me because you make your own choices and that's that.

But here this: Do the Research. LIVE the experience. Listen to your HEART and not your MIND. Take note about how you REALLY feel when you smoke.

CONSCIOUSLY smoke a FULL cigarette or roll up or whatever you smoke and take note of how it makes you feel before and after.

i have done more research than i care to mention

here is my rant that you may enjoy for what it's worth:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=73707&postcount=56

beliefs are beliefs, not the truth. we don't know shit :)

[neutron flux]

What do we gain from smoking?



Well, for starters:
Increasingly, studies are beginning to show that complex information processing, and perhaps consciousness itself, may result from coordinated activity among many parts of the brain connected by bundles of long axons. Cognitive problems may occur when these areas don't communicate properly with each other. [...]

Using nicotine, they stimulated the axon to determine how it would affect a signal the brain cell sent to the cortex. Without applying nicotine, about 35 percent of the messages sent by the brain cell reached the cortex. But when nicotine was applied to the axon, the success rate nearly doubled to about 70 percent.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-08/uoc--bcw081507.php

Nicotine mimics one of the body's most significant neurotransmitter, acetylcholine. This is the neurotransmitter most often associated with cognition in the cerebral cortex. Acetylcholine is the primary carrier of thought and memory in the brain. It is essential to have appropriate levels of acetylcholine to have new memories or recall old memories.



Acetyl-L-Carnitine (ALC) is the acetyl ester of carnitine, the carrier of fatty acids across Mitochondrial membranes. Like carnitine, ALC is naturally produced in the body and found in small amounts in some foods. ...Research in recent years has hoisted ALC from its somewhat mundane role in energy production to nutritional cognitive enhancer and neuroprotective agent extraordinaire. Indeed, taken in its entirety, ALC has become one of the premiere �anti-aging� compounds under scientific investigation, especially in relation to brain and nervous system deterioration.

ALC is found in various concentrations in the brain, and its levels are significantly reduced with aging.(1) In numerous studies in animal models, ALC administration has been shown to have the remarkable ability of improving not only cognitive changes, but also morphological (structural) and neurochemical changes. ...ALC has varied effects on cholinergic activity, including promoting the release(2) and synthesis(3) of acetylcholine. Additionally, ALC promotes high affinity uptake of choline, which declines significantly with age.(4) While these cholinergic effects were first described almost a quarter of a century ago,(5) it now appears that this is only the tip of the ALC iceberg. [Gissen, VRP's Nutritional News, March, 1995]


It also seems that nicotine can help prevent Parkinson's and Alzheimer's:

Nicotine is a widely seen drug found in tobacco products. It is usually associated with the negative effects of smoking, including the addiction and cravings. However, nicotine can be helpful for people with pathological disease states such as Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder and schizophrenia. A recent study done here at UVM investigated the cognitive improvements of three groups: smokers, normal volunteers, and contrasts those with trials of nicotinic stimulation in pathological disease states. Chemical receptors for nicotine are found all throughout the central nervous system, and stimulating parts of the brain with nicotinic acid have shown to be vital to memory function. Nicotinic acid is a B vitamin found in yeast, liver, eggs, and other foods and is also known as niacin, or vitamin B3.

http://media.www.vermontcynic.com/media/storage/paper308/news/2005/11/01/News/Does-Nicotine.Help.Alzheimers.And.Parkinsons.Patients-1040930.shtml

How easy is the mind to be conditioned that smoking is good?


How easy is it to condition the mind that smoking is bad? Which gets more coverage?
Where would brainwashing come from, to make us 'believe' that smoking is OK? Two words: THE MEDIA.


Same with anti-smoking. Which gets more coverage?

Eating nice food is good... but they don't kill you and fund the Slave Driving Drug Barons and the Government do they...?


Oh, you mean the food littered with Aspartame or MSG and the rest? Of course they don't fund big companies, do they? Or harm you in any way.:rolleyes:

So mr_moon the world-wide crack down on smoking is because the PTB actually care about our health when they poison our food, water, environment, not to mention mobile phone frequencies and the rest.

You don't see anything wrong with this picture? :confused:


Here's a challenge then... if smoking is good, walk away and never do it again. How does that make you feel inside? The prospect of never smoking another cigarette? Fearful? Sadness? Dependent? Ignorant? Defensive?

You could say that about anything, give up alcohol, sex, etc. How does that make you feel?

I'm not saying smoke 60-a-day, just in moderation and the purest that you can find.

Is it not strange that those who are stressed out most of their lives are the ones that get cancer quicker?

Perhaps it's not just the nicotine? Perhaps it's also the air in the area that we breathe aswell?

You can't deny that living in a city is unhealthy, esspecially when it comes to how clean the air is.

Perhaps cancer and these sicknesses only exist in your reality if you allow it, no?

Yes, it is conditioned in people that if you smoke then you're bound to get cancer, which is quite convienient for the PTB because every ill can be blamed on smoking while they get away with poisoning everything else.

[neutron flux]

Because Nicotine is a poison

Show me the data that says Nicotine is a poison.

[28th kingdom]

Okay... I'm not gonna get into a fight about this... but I have to say... I am REALLY surprised by how many of you are defending smoking... WOW! Really did NOT expect that from such enlightened people.

Honestly... if you smoke or drink on a daily basis... you have a death wish... and if you don't think that's true... than stop what yer doing and meditate on it for a second.

Now... I agree - life can seemed fvcked up... and if yer not savvy to this world... than... it's understandable... but SMOKING? Man... I would say it's easily one of the worse things you can do for yer mind/body/soul...

Please... you people do what you want... I smoked for like 1-2 years when I was rather young... but found out just how bad it was when I woke up one day and couldn't breathe.

Again... I understand the pain and stress of this world... but smoking is never the answer... it is quite simply... one of the most mindless acts a person can partake in.

[neutron flux]

Okay... I'm not gonna get into a fight about this... but I have to say... I am REALLY surprised by how many of you are defending smoking... WOW! Really did NOT expect that from such enlightened people.

Honestly... if you smoke or drink on a daily basis... you have a death wish... and if you don't think that's true... than stop what yer doing and meditate on it for a second.

Now... I agree - life can seemed fvcked up... and if yer not savvy to this world... than... it's understandable... but SMOKING? Man... I would say it's easily one of the worse things you can do for yer mind/body/soul...

Please... you people do what you want... I smoked for like 1-2 years when I was rather young... but found out just how bad it was when I woke up one day and couldn't breathe.

Again... I understand the pain and stress of this world... but smoking is never the answer... it is quite simply... one of the most mindless acts a person can partake in.


All I can say is: you haven't been paying attention. ;)

[joss classey]

Okay... I'm not gonna get into a fight about this... but I have to say... I am REALLY surprised by how many of you are defending smoking... WOW! Really did NOT expect that from such enlightened people.

Honestly... if you smoke or drink on a daily basis... you have a death wish... and if you don't think that's true... than stop what yer doing and meditate on it for a second.

Now... I agree - life can seemed fvcked up... and if yer not savvy to this world... than... it's understandable... but SMOKING? Man... I would say it's easily one of the worse things you can do for yer mind/body/soul...

Please... you people do what you want... I smoked for like 1-2 years when I was rather young... but found out just how bad it was when I woke up one day and couldn't breathe.

Again... I understand the pain and stress of this world... but smoking is never the answer... it is quite simply... one of the most mindless acts a person can partake in.

maybe we do have a death wish. maybe that's the point

[mr_moon]

Yoo Hoo!!, mr_moon:

Perhaps it is an oversight, but you have not responded to my query: Why does ONE (1) Tobbacco Plant, produce 1,000,000 seeds?

My Gratitude, in advance; Respectfully: Snoopsnuffleopagus

I don't know the answer to that question unfortunately.

Much Love,

Jay
xxx

[mr_moon]

Yoo Hoo!!, mr_moon:

Perhaps it is an oversight, but you have not responded to my query: Why does ONE (1) Tobbacco Plant, produce 1,000,000 seeds?

My Gratitude, in advance; Respectfully: Snoopsnuffleopagus

Actually i think i do know the answer... is it because it is a Weed?

[28th kingdom]

Show me the data that says Nicotine is a poison.

Right... because nicotine is the only ingredient in cigarettes... and, in case I did miss a point... what are you saying exactly? Are you being satirical with this thread... or do you really think smoking is good for you?

[seanx]

What about pure tobacco grown from YOU yourself?

I think the shit that is killing us is the posin inside of it. Not the nicotine. It's already been proven that rat-poisin, mercury and other things go into ciggs.

So why not grow your own?

This is a very important question here?

Everybody is talking about tobacco and cigarettes - but surely they are
two totally different things.

Cigs are shit. They will destroy you - with the chemicals
that are put in them. I'll get you a list when I find it.

However, neutron flux may have a point if he is referring to
natural tobacco - the natural version?

look at the native Americans? What did they smoke in their pipes?

And snoopsnuffleopagus, great question - what's the answer about
the seeds?

And what is the folklore about the tobacco plant? What did
the natives use it for?

Anybody know?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations!, 28th Kingdom:

Consider: The International Institute of Global Studies scrutinizes the lives of a random group of Anti-Smokers. Members of this random group are observed putting substances and objects, both mechanical and biological into various orifices of their bodies. Some are beneficial and some are deleterious to both themselves and society.

A sausage smugglers argument would carry less weight than a Saints.

'Let they, who are without sin, cast the first stone'.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

Addendum: Yoo Hoo! seanx!!!! Check the unhived mind website truthsayer department
posted by skr56 'great stuff' I lack the skills to transfer that materiel here or I would 'SPAM' it.

[seanx]

Right... because nicotine is the only ingredient in cigarettes

That's the problem. it's not. it's horrendous the chemicals
the tobacco companies put in cigarettes.

I wouldn't touch cigs. Gave up smoking cigarettes about
10 years ago

I agree with Mr. Moon - read allen carr's book if you
want to stop.

However, natural tobacco - has anybody ever smoked it?

[28th kingdom]

Cordial Felicitations!, 28th Kingdom:

Consider: The International Institute of Global Studies scrutinizes the lives of a random group of Anti-Smokers. Members of this random group are observed putting substances and objects, both mechanical and biological into various orifices of their bodies. Some are beneficial and some are deleterious to both themselves and society.

A sausage smugglers argument would carry less weight than a Saints.

'Let they, who are without sin, cast the first stone'.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

No... I am with sin... I just don't rationalize it... or lie to myself... so I can sleep better at night... and that's the point. I thought this site was about truth?

Smoking has health benefits... smoking is GOOD... it's like I'm in the Twilight Zone over here....

[mr_moon]

I honestly, deeply recommend reading the EASYWAY book by Allen Carr or watching the DVD- it is an invaluable research tool if you care to get a copy by whatever means you can and if you don;t agree with it- then you walk away.

See it as that extra bit of research that was missed about smoking- what they don't want you to hear...

David Icke says it all the time:

PROBLEM, REACTION, SOLUTION

Problem- Smoking is commercialised, encouraged and promoted and people become addicted

Reaction- Advertising campaigns are set up to tell people to stop smoking or else they will get cancer or die at an early age- FEAR.

Solution- Money pumped into NHS, Nicotine Replacement Therapy, Hypnotism, Smoking Bans...

Smoking Ban

Problem- Passive smoking and the need to 'de-normalise' smoking as a social past time

Reaction- Restaurant owners, pub owners, cafes rebel and get a fine. Smokers say their 'civil liberties' are being taken away.

Solution- Smoking shelters, more advertising to stop smoking, division, more Nicotine Replacement Therapy.

Next problem? Smokers are damaging the atmosphere due to concentrated areas of smoke outside...

It's a BIG, LONG AGENDA ladies and gentlemen...

[joss classey]

all i can say is that we live in an upside down world. everything works in opposites

[neutron flux]

Right... because nicotine is the only ingredient in cigarettes... and, in case I did miss a point... what are you saying exactly? Are you being satirical with this thread... or do you really think smoking is good for you?


No, Nicotine isn't the only ingredient but my response was to mr_moon's statement that Nicotine was in fact a poison, so I asked for the data on the said claim.

As for this thread - is it not obvious that I'm not being satirical? If you have missed the point I can only suggest you start at the beginning of the thread.

I'm not saying everyone in the whole world should smoke....but some should as it would benefit them ....in moderation.

[neutron flux]

However, neutron flux may have a point if he is referring to
natural tobacco - the natural version?


Yes, the more natural the better.

[synergy777]

i love tobacco, only ever smoked natural tobacco in america, the american spirit ciggies. i would like to get them here in the uk. also whats better quality/healthwise roll ups eg golden virginnia or ciggies?

[mr_moon]

I'm not saying everyone in the whole world should smoke....but some should as it would benefit them ....in moderation.

I'd like to make it clear that i do not believe that anyone 'should' or 'shouldn't' do ANYTHING. We make our own choices.

We are however, more now than ever, subversively encouraged to do things that we believe are our own choices.

I am Pro Freedom (not Anti-Smoking) and i am only trying to highlight the sub-conscious conditioning and manipulation that has ocurred in the World of Smoking... anything that is an INDUSTRY or even an INSTITUTION, should really start those alarm bells ringing...

So good luck with your health (body AND mind) and I hope you find the Joys of Life you are looking for.

Much Love,

Jay
xxx

[mr_moon]

i love tobacco, only ever smoked natural tobacco in america, the american spirit ciggies. i would like to get them here in the uk. also whats better quality/healthwise roll ups eg golden virginnia or ciggies?

Nothing man! None of this shit will do you any good....

[28th kingdom]

The one thing that is really surprising... and I'll leave it at this... is that everyone who is endorsing smoking... seems almost proud that they smoke...

Like... they're COOL because they smoke... man - the elite have done a brilliant job... at making 'decadent' sexy, haven't they?

[seanx]

synergy777 wrote:

love tobacco, only ever smoked natural tobacco in america, the american spirit ciggies.

Interesting.

Is this genuine natural tobacco?

How do they manage to prepare and store the product so that they can
sell it and store it for long times in shops?

How is the tobacco grown. Organically or with chemical?

And do you notice any difference between smoking it ---and the shitty manufactured cigs?

it's strange not available in Uk. Power of the UK tobacco companies??

[synergy777]

no i like the taste, buzz. the natives smoked it, lol

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

AHOY!

mr-moon: Thank you.

Syn: Check your local Tobbacconists, Cigar stores; 'Head Shops' now carry fine cigars and tobbaccos. Here in the usa we have product from around the world, not just our Southland. I cannot remember names, but there is an excellent English Leaf, and I have had Danish and Dutch also. Perhaps the leaf was grown on their slave plantations in their Colonies.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[seanx]

The one thing that is really surprising... and I'll leave it at this... is that everyone who is endorsing smoking... seems almost proud that they smoke...

Like... they're COOL because they smoke... man - the elite have done a brilliant job... at making 'decadent' sexy, haven't they?

i don't smoke - but so what if other people want to smoke in the
privacy of their own places?

Why is it any concern to other people?

[synergy777]

hitler banned smoking, now he was lovely fella, lol

i smoke because i albert camus made it look cool, lol

snoop cheers, i like the honey cohiba cigars. the leaves are soaked in honey, the smoke tastes so sweet and smells lovely.

[neutron flux]

I'd like to make it clear that i do not believe that anyone 'should' or 'shouldn't' do ANYTHING. We make our own choices.


Sure, but there's benefits to smoking - and data to back it up. What people do is up to them, of course.

To quote from the article:

Hitler was a fervent anti smoker and a crusader for the anti-smoking cause. He personally funded research into the dangers of smoking and little wonder those results given the nature of his regime tended to support his assertions that smoking was an evil the Aryan race must be rid of. Many of the studies carried out during the Third Reich are the basis for the arguments put forward today by those seeking the imposition of repressive smoking bans.

Hitler once stated that tobacco was "the wrath of the Red Man against the White Man" Under the Nazi's the Bureau Against the Dangers of Alcohol and Tobacco was established in 1939 followed in 1942 by the Institute for the Struggle against the dangers of Tobacco. Nazi's were the first to coin the term "passive smoking"

i am only trying to highlight the sub-conscious conditioning and manipulation that has ocurred in the World of Smoking...

And yet you fail to recognize the sub-concious conditioning and manipulation that occurs on the packs themselves with suggestions and now pictures.

Or do you think the PTB love us and are just trying to help us?

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

i love tobacco, only ever smoked natural tobacco in america, the american spirit ciggies. i would like to get them here in the uk. also whats better quality/healthwise roll ups eg golden virginnia or ciggies?

The sell American Spirit's here in Holland. :D They are great. But I have to have the yellows. The oranges are too strong for me. Well, not too strong, but too spicy tasting, you know.

[seanx]

Snoopsnuffleopagus,

I'd personally never smoke cigarettes again. Best thing I ever did
was quitting them. For me personally, a terrible daily addiction.

However, I wouldn't mind a genuine cigar, now and then
made of real, natural tobacco - with none of the tobacco
companies deadly chemicals shit added to it.

You're in US- are they any such cigars existing over there? Similar
maybe to what the native Americans use to smoke to relax and make
big decisions?

Or did I watch too many Westerns as a kid?

[synergy777]

the red/brown man also made the first alcohol, al-cohol is itself an arabic word. wine, sisha, weed, opium, dude my ancestors had a great time, lol

its true neutron, tobacco, eugenics, etc all from hitler. personally its an attack on civil liberties in my view.

[synergy777]

i bet you use them for weed also, or the dutch cigars for phillies/blunts, lol, maybe martin jol has been smoking them, lol

[redhead]

You can get American Spirit over here, only the baccy tho' not the ciggies, i smoke it all the time. It sells itself as 100% whole leaf tobacco(no stems or expanded tobacco) with no chemicals or additives. It does dry out tho' due to lack of preservitives, i just throw a small piece of potato in the pack to keep it moist. :)

[pedsi]

I think its safe to say all the posters defending smoking here are smokers themselves and are under the illusion that they choose to and enjoy smoking...its like a heroin addict claiming he only takes heroin because he enjoys it,the same principle applies.
The feeling of enjoyment or relaxation one gains from a ciggie is only the releif from the withdrawl symptoms from their last hit of nicotine...but they will constantly say its their choice and they enjoy it.HELLO.. YOU ARE ADDICTED TO A DRUG FFS!!
you can come up with all the positive spin on nicotine all you like, as you can with any substance if you look hard enough, but the fact is you smoke because you are addicted to nicotine.
yes the nicotine might be good for this and maybe it help that but we all get along pretty fine without it.....remember what it was like to wake up up in the morning and not having to fill your precious body with vile polluting smoke.until you wake up to your addiction and the hold it has over your life you can say goodbuy to the clean healthy and vibrant body you had before becoming a smoker.

here's a thread from a while back along the same lines
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6604&highlight=addiction

[william_mac]

The entire reason that I began smoking was due to the allure of sitting in front of a typewriter in a dark room illuminated only by a little desk lamp. I would imagine myself typing furiously with a lit cigarette in my mouth and a glass of scotch. To me, smoking was always an integral art form. Smoking was a technique, and each person had his or her own style.

So, when I began smoking I felt as though there was a right and wrong way to do it. I sought to emulate a certain persona and character, and to live out my fantasy as a writer, which was part of the persona. And, I'll tell you, when I began smoking, then I began my writing career and my art career. I seriously think that I could not have even launched into these platforms without the proverbial cigarette and glass of scotch, because to me these two things were always symbols that provoked thought; they were the "on" switch to creativity in which all embedded and deeply hidden stories, feelings, and eloquence would somehow magically flow from my finger tips upon the first clank and spark of the zippo, and swill of the ice cube.

Today people are taught that smoking is dangerous. Furthermore, we are taught that smoking is a disgusting habit. Well, when a man or woman settles for disgusting cigarettes and tobacco and says "I need to have a cigarette, even though it's bad for me" instead of smoking only the good tobacco and saying "I want to go and enjoy a cigarette" then smoking indeed becomes an unattractive, utterly filthy, degrading habit instead of the social art and classy accessory to lifestyle and personality in which smoking is supposed to be.

It's like the old keyboard player said to me outside of a down home New Orleans venue called Fat Mat's as he enjoyed a cigarette outside, "Smokin' ain't bad fer ya', worst it ever did fo' me is stunt ma' growth, but I been smokin' since I wos' 15 yea's ol', and I'm 80 yea's old nyow, and I don't feel no different," he eventually concluded that the reason he was OK and so many other people were is because he was never worried about dying, or trying to do all of the right and healthy things, becuase he just enjoyed life. "It's the fear that kills ya', not the cigarettes" he said. And that, I believe, is the truth.

I liked the article. Very informative. It's nice to see someone standing up for the essential goodness and culture that cigarettes originally emulated among society.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[synergy777]

redhead, thast ole potatoe trick, peeps use it for weed also, lol

i know i am addicted to nicotine, i am also addicted to meat, meat is worse, its dead flesh, dead animals. nicotine is teh hardest addiction, weed,alcohol are piss easy, its the ciggies that are a monster. then again, i'm flawed, i'm human, lol

[seanx]

hitler banned smoking, now he was lovely fella, lol

Personally, I'm all in the favour of the smoking ban.

Have it here in Ireland past 3 or 4 years and over 95% of people
agree with it - even the majority of smokers.

If people want to smoke - I've no problem with that - absolutely
no concern of mine, they should be able to enjoy it - but, let's be
honest you haven't got the right to inflict all the shitty chemicals
the tobacco companies put into their cigaretes on to other
people who don't smoke.

it's only common sense. You can't control where your
chemically-ridden smoke will go.

[synergy777]

mac, its true, that counter culture, the intellectual gravitas of nicotine fuelled creativity, lol its the old coffee shop culture, add in some coffee, a hot french chick, voila. albert camus did it, i blame him, lol

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitatiions:

seanx: I have been smoking Natural Tobbacco for over ten years. Prior to that I was one pack of Camels per day.

Spent more than 40 years doing heavy manual labour. As a Freeman.

As for organic?. it varies. The prepackaged ciggarettes are of course befouled thanks to the Beast System of Corporatism. Bulk Tobbacco is plentiful and depends on the farm what type of fertilizers and pest control were used.

Packageing is modern: vacuum sealed Tins and Bags. I keep mine in a Cedar Box, an occassional heart of lettuce to introduce some moisture to keep the leaf fresh.

The difference between Natural Tobbacco and Corporate Prepackaged ciggarettes is: T-Bone Steak compared to a Hot-Dog. Micro Brewery Ale compared to Coors Light Beer(piss).

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[synergy777]

also i know doctors/nurses that smoke, i see them outside the hospital smoking. and the gits use the mobile phones in the hospital aswell, whats up with that?

[joss classey]

Hahahahahhahahahahahhaha

This Is All So Hilarious

Hahhahahahhahahahahahahha

Look At You All!!!! :D :D :D

[william_mac]

mac, its true, that counter culture, the intellectual gravitas of nicotine fuelled creativity, lol its the old coffee shop culture, add in some coffee, a hot french chick, voila. albert camus did it, i blame him, lol

Hah hah! You got it!



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[synergy777]

snoop a man of good taste. i love scotch also, dimple, is great.

http://www.thedrinkshop.com/products/nlpdetail.php?prodid=1786

[seanx]

You can get American Spirit over here, only the baccy tho' not the ciggies, i smoke it all the time. It sells itself as 100% whole leaf tobacco(no stems or expanded tobacco) with no chemicals or additives. It does dry out tho' due to lack of preservitives, i just throw a small piece of potato in the pack to keep it moist

Interesting. I wonder if there have been any studies, health-wise done on people who just smoke this natural type of tobacco?

Would it interesting to compare them to people who smoke the commercialized chemical cigs?

[neutron flux]

The one thing that is really surprising... and I'll leave it at this... is that everyone who is endorsing smoking... seems almost proud that they smoke...

Like... they're COOL because they smoke... man - the elite have done a brilliant job... at making 'decadent' sexy, haven't they?


You could equally say that the elite have done a brilliant job at manipulating people of the dangers of smoking - and people that don't smoke are so cool and healthy and smell like roses etc.

In fact the adverts on T.V. actually depict smokers as incompetent people who kill everyone around them with their "second-hand smoke", which in effect makes us so uncool we might as well be lumped with serial killers.

[synergy777]

how many elite smoke fine cigars, expensive ciggies eg dunhill/rothmans etc.

[rasnalgoul]

lets set some things straight. prior to the 1920s there was little if any lung cancer that could be related to tobacco smoking. What happened during the 20s was tobacco growers began to realise that by using fertilizers they could get a gigantic yeild and the flavor of the tobacco was better. What they didnt know was that tobacco is a plant that naturally absorbs radioactive compounds, and the fertilizer they use, i believe its calcium phosphate, is radioactive and basically breaks down into polonium 210 which then covers the leaves. Now ordinarily radioactive compounds have a high vaporization point, but polonium 210 is about 500 degrees, the tip of a cigarette burns at about 800 degrees. So when you smoke a 'coventional' cigarette you are basically getting high doses of radiation, and even more so today then back then, as they use more fertilizer on the depleted soil they grow on. So just like most agrobusiness crops, the tobacco of today probably lacks alot of its healthy potency and is highly radioactive, not to mention all the crap they put in it. Now if you were to grow your own tobbaco or find organic tobacco, thats a different story. One last thing, native americans never smoked straight tobacco, it was always mixed with other herbs into a blend, and that is why it is so addicting, a bet theres a point also where your brain can only use a certian amount of nicotene to stimulate fucntions like creativity and too much probably just overloads the brain. But if your willing to grow your own, roll it yourself or find organic ones that arent produced by the big scummy corporations your way way better off, then a pack of malboros.

[rasnalgoul]

http://www.acsa2000.net/HealthAlert/radioactive_tobacco.html

[william_mac]

Personally, I'm all in the favour of the smoking ban.

Have it here in Ireland past 3 or 4 years and over 95% of people
agree with it - even the majority of smokers.

If people want to smoke - I've no problem with that - absolutely
no concern of mine, they should be able to enjoy it - but, let's be
honest you haven't got the right to inflict all the shitty chemicals
the tobacco companies put into their cigaretes on to other
people who don't smoke.

it's only common sense. You can't control where your
chemically-ridden smoke will go.

I think that the chemicals should be banned. Did you know that it's only those major cigarette brands that put that shit into their tobacco.

I hand-roll my own cigarettes and I find natural tobaccos that don't have pesticides, added nicotine, or preservatives in them. The tobacco tastes better, my non-smoking friends don't complain about the smell (they actually enjoy the smell), the tobacco lasts longer and you can keep it moist by slicing off a small piece of apple and putting it in the tobacco tin, which makes it smell better as well.

When I smoke filtered cigarettes, like the regular Camels or Marlboro or Basic brands of cigarettes, I literally get sick feeling. My body feels disgusting, the smell makes me gag, my lungs feel dull and ache. I just can't stand them.

But, with handrolled true-tobacco cigarettes I feel rejuvinated, relaxed, and... just better all around. I also smoke less. When I smoke regular cigarettes (when I can't get the other stuff) then I smoke more and more and more. I just can't stop smoking them, I'll smoke a whole pack and I don't know why, it's like they're designed that way. But, when I smoke the handrolled cigarettes then I smoke, at most and on average when working at home, about 5 to 8 cigarettes in a day, which has been my standard average for 6 years now.

In addition, when I don't have work to do (I tend to smoke more when working) then sometimes I only smoke 1 cigarette, or none at all. I've actually never felt that "pull" or shaky nicotine attack that people talk about. My sister (whom I live with) actually tells me it's quite odd that I can go an entire day without smoking, not by decision, but simply because I didn't feel like it.

I thought the article was interesting because it's right when I start working that I HAVE to have a cigarette. That's my addition. For example, I haven't begun working today. I've been up since 8 AM and have been lounging around. It is 12:20 right now and I haven't had a cigarette. But, when I get out of the shower and get in "work" mode the first thing I will do is light up.

I think that people should smoke better cigarettes. I attribute my ability to be able to go without smoking cigarettes to the fact that I smoke true tobacco that is clean from additives... which of course is still dangerous. But, it doesn't burn off any added chemicals. Besides, the fact that when I have a pack of filtered regular cigarettes that I just CAN'T stop smoking them, and they make me feel gross, makes me wonder. I figured that they're probably illuminati brands because of the symbols, right?



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[ho1ogram]

I LOVE YOU

"My uncle was a Tabaquero. I used to watch him lay out a lot of tobacco, dry it in the sun and cook it, and I would ask myself what it was all about. 'It's tobacco,' my uncle told me, and once the mixture was black, he would start tasting it with a little stick. I thought it was sweet, like Chancaca (sugarcane concentrate). When he took his tobacco, he would counsel everyone, he could tell them 'this is good' or 'this is not good'. I don't know what intellectuals might say now, but at the time Adventist missionaries used to say: 'He is listening to his bats; his Satan.' He had no book to read from, but what he said was true: 'everybody has left these things, everybody now goes to the missionary's house. I can't read but I know how to do these things, I know how to take tobacco and I know all these things.' Then, when he talked to me, I would listen. He used to tell me: 'Listen, nephew, when you become a man, look for a woman to take care of, but before this happens, you must not only learn to write, but also learn these things.'

- Did he mean, learn to consume tobacco?
- Consume tobacco and heal. When somebody came to look for him, my uncle would say: 'Why do you come asking me to heal **you if you say that you know God now that you are in the mission and I don't? Why don't you ask the reverend to pray for **you, since he says he can heal an ill person through prayer? Why don't you go with him?' But he would heal them anyhow, pull **out his coca and started chewing it, and he would sit like we do now. Then he would suck at his tobacco and during those **moments I would watch him and wonder what he would do. The first healing session I saw him in, he said: 'Alright, bring me **the sick baby.' He has begun, he has palpated him and felt his pulse: 'Oh, I can see, he is really screwed up. The sickness is **here.' Then he has begun to suck in that place (to suck loudly). Then he has spit making a noise: ptt! Then once more, then a **third time: ptt! 'Alright, it's enough.' He then tells the mother: 'Something has shocked this baby, here is a Piri piri (a medicinal **herb) to bathe him in. Then let him rest.' The next day it could be seen that the baby was better. Then I began to like this and I **decided to learn. Uf! The first time I took tobacco I was unable to sleep. - How old were you? - I was eight years old. I **thought it was sweet like Chancaca. But it was so bitter I could not even swallow it. My uncle told me: this is the secret of **tobacco. Then he taught me everything. He gave me a gourd with tobacco. Little by little I learned to take it and resist it. Very **soon, I did not vomit anymore.
http://www.enjoyperu.com/peru_travel_tours_information/ayahuasca/third_chapter_tobaccos_mother_is_a_serpent.html

At the close of the recitation of the song by the priest, and when the wailing has ceased, the candidate returns to his seat by the side of his teacher. The Assisting Teacher then gives to the Master of Ceremonies the skin of the little lynx, the animal first mentioned in the song, and also a little pipe which he has filled with tobacco. As the Master of Ceremonies takes the pipe, he wraps around the stem the head of the lynx skin, letting the body hang down loosely, and having thus arranged the two sacred articles he carries them to the man sitting at the east end of the line of priests of the Earth People. He spreads the lynx skin upon the ground before the man and then presents to him the little pipe and touches the tobacco within the bowl with a small firebrand. The priest draws at the stem of the pipe, and when the smoke passes freely he blows four whiffs upon the skin of the animal chosen to be a symbol of courage. In this way the Master of Ceremonies passes the pipe and the lynx skin from man to man until all the priests of the Earth People have blown tobacco smoke upon the sacred emblem. When the Master of Ceremonies reaches the west end of the lodge and all the members of the Earth People have blown smoke upon the bobcat skin, he crosses over to the Sky People and moves eastward, presenting each member of that division with the pipe and lynx skin until he reaches the east end of the lodge. All the priests of both divisions having performed the ceremony of smoking upon the little lynx, the other animal skins, the symbols of courage, are smoked in the same manner and in the order in which they are mentioned in the song.
http://arkarcheology.uark.edu/indiansofarkansas/index.html?pageName=Smoking%20Ceremony%20from%20th e%20Songs%20of%20the%20Wa-Xo'-Be%20(Osage)
Smoking Ceremony
People smoke a place when someone dies. Smoking heals and purifies people - it enters them and strengthens them when they feel sad or weak. Special leaves are used for smoking.?In ceremonies for the dead, those who take responsibility for a service are the brothers or sisters of those who died.?The old men are calling out to the spirits of the dead to let them know that the group have come as family and friends.
http://www.loreoftheland.com.au/understanding/dhealing/video.html
The smoking ceremony, celebrated by Patrick Hume from the Metropolitan Council of Nyoongar Elders, is part of the Nyoongar tradition and culture. Smoke from Balga (grass tree), Wattle and other native plants takes away the bad spirits. It cleanses and heals when you walk through it.
http://www.wadidge.com.au/didgeridoo-news/smoking-ceremony.html

Chemicals?
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with your comment about manufactured cigs containing chemicals. This is pure media BS & not true. I work for a tobacco company & there are absolutely no chemicals added to the tobacco during manufacturing (only water). The chemicals exposed when smoking are purely from the burning process itself (causes endless amounts of carcinogens as soon as something is burnt, even on BBQ's, burnt toast etc), there maybe some chemicals used in the paper & filter manufacture, but DEFINITELY not on the tobacco itself. This relates only to Flue Cured Virginia type cigarettes as the other "flavoured" brands like Marlboro etc do have flavourings added.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=74129&postcount=18

THANK YOU

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations:

Seanx: The study has already begun. Within the last year, a Doctor traveled the world, interviewing and examining the: Worlds Oldest Living People. This recieved alot of publicity in the mainstream world, so researchers should be able to dig this up.

Some of his findings: Most were dwellers of non-urban areas. Access to natural foods and raw milk. Also Tobbacco and Alcohol, in moderation.

I have prepared some Box Lunches, and I propose that we now take a break and watch: 'The Buena Vista Social Club' DVD. :)

The 'Message' is enpointe.

'Lunch is Served!', Bon Appetit!: Snoopsnuffleopagus

Addendum: As the story goes: Albert Einstein was born a 'Blue Baby', a malady of some births that could result in fatal consequences for the New Born child. This was a well attended home birth with Doctor and Mid-Wife(nurse) and attendant relatives.

Things were ''looking gloomy' for young Einstein, the Doctor and Mid-Wife were failing in their attempts to aide the bonnie little infant Einstein. So an Uncle stepped forward, and blew some Cigar smoke up the bonnie little babies wee little nose, and the rest is History.

Honestly, who can imagine some-one smoking a Cigar in a Birthing Room. That was then, This is now.

[28th kingdom]

You could equally say that the elite have done a brilliant job at manipulating people of the dangers of smoking - and people that don't smoke are so cool and healthy and smell like roses etc.

In fact the adverts on T.V. actually depict smokers as incompetent people who kill everyone around them with their "second-hand smoke", which in effect makes us so uncool we might as well be lumped with serial killers.

Yea... man - the elite don't want people to smoke... because it gives you super powers...

Let's bottom line it: All of you smoke because you think it's socially cool to do... it's hip... it's trendy... that's the bottom line... yer a bunch of beatnik intellectuals, right? The whole coffee ship scene... like that other bloke said.

Listen, I get it... I was into that for a couple years... so I understand... and it does feel nice to be a part of a crowd or whatever...

The whole point I was trying to make... is that do what you will... please - but for the love of god... don't try and convince people smoking has health benefits... or that you should be allowed to smoke where ever you want...

No... you should be allowed to smoke any place that doesn't subject other people to the harmful effects of your death stick.

[neutron flux]

It should be noted that while us little people have this ban of smoking in enclosed spaces - where it doesn't apply is Congress, House of Commons and the European Parliament. In fact it was banned in the European Parliament except there was an open revolt by legislators and workers in the European Parliament buildings. So they dropped the ban.

[joss classey]

Yea... man - the elite don't want people to smoke... because it gives you super powers...

Let's bottom line it: All of you smoke because you think it's socially cool to do... it's hip... it's trendy... that's the bottom line... yer a bunch of beatnik intellectuals, right? The whole coffee ship scene... like that other bloke said.

Listen, I get it... I was into that for a couple years... so I understand... and it does feel nice to be a part of a crowd or whatever...

The whole point I was trying to make... is that do what you will... please - but for the love of god... don't try and convince people smoking has health benefits... or that you should be allowed to smoke where ever you want...

No... you should be allowed to smoke any place that doesn't subject other people to the harmful effects of your death stick.

he who is without sin may cast the first stone

shitface

[william_mac]

Yea... man - the elite don't want people to smoke... because it gives you super powers...

Let's bottom line it: All of you smoke because you think it's socially cool to do... it's hip... it's trendy... that's the bottom line... yer a bunch of beatnik intellectuals, right? The whole coffee ship scene... like that other bloke said.

Listen, I get it... I was into that for a couple years... so I understand... and it does feel nice to be a part of a crowd or whatever...

The whole point I was trying to make... is that do what you will... please - but for the love of god... don't try and convince people smoking has health benefits... or that you should be allowed to smoke where ever you want...

No... you should be allowed to smoke any place that doesn't subject other people to the harmful effects of your death stick.

That's exactly true. But, at least let people have places where they can smoke. You know? I can't smoke within 30 feet of a building anymore, or out on the patio. I don't see how the smoking sections were taken away, smoking sections worked just fine and they were entirely closed off, and if they weren't closed off then they should have been shut down due to violation of an ordience.

I also think that people should smoke GOOD tobacco. I think that it is offensive to other people to smoke bullshit nasty smelling tobacco. It's called the "room note". People usually don't complain when someone smokes a nice and rich smelling pipe tobacco, so people should smoke good and rich tobacco instead of rot.

Smoking can be more acceptable if it smelled better, and people smoked cigarettes without chemicals that are burned off. That's no different than being around a burning bush.

In any case, even non-smokers agree that the level of banning going on with smokers is getting crazy. Here they want to get rid of it in houses, public places, in the car... etc, and they want to raise the taxes AGAIN. I mean... what the fuck? Just let me fucking smoke a cigarette. I can't imagine people not smoking in the art industry... that is just a weird thought.



-William

[synergy777]

ok, who in the uk knows a good tobacco rolling up brand then.i know ciggies have loads of chemicals, but its convience. i hate matlboro lights, i prefer bensons. but if there is a decent tobacco easily avaliable, let me know.

[synergy777]

It should be noted that while us little people have this ban of smoking in enclosed spaces - where it doesn't apply is Congress, House of Commons and the European Parliament. In fact it was banned in the European Parliament except there was an open revolt by legislators and workers in the European Parliament buildings. So they dropped the ban

wonders never cease here on asylum earth, lol

[neutron flux]

Let's bottom line it: All of you smoke because you think it's socially cool to do... it's hip... it's trendy... that's the bottom line... yer a bunch of beatnik intellectuals, right? The whole coffee ship scene... like that other bloke said.



No, in fact it's quite the opposite - I'm made to feel like I should be ringing a bell shouting "Unclean".

[william_mac]

ok, who in the uk knows a good tobacco rolling up brand then.i know ciggies have loads of chemicals, but its convience. i hate matlboro lights, i prefer bensons. but if there is a decent tobacco easily avaliable, let me know.

I buy tobacco called Bali-Shag. It's a European Halfweizer shag tobacco that smells absolutely wonderful. I have to search pretty far and wide here in the US to find it, but it's worth it. I don't know if it's there.

But, by all accounts, Bali-Shag is the best handrolling tobacco that I've ever had, and nothing so far as compared to its sophistication.



-William

[ho1ogram]

I LOVE YOU

Yea... man - the elite don't want people to smoke... because it gives you super powers...

Let's bottom line it: All of you smoke because you think it's socially cool to do... it's hip... it's trendy... that's the bottom line... yer a bunch of beatnik intellectuals, right? The whole coffee ship scene... like that other bloke said.

Listen, I get it... I was into that for a couple years... so I understand... and it does feel nice to be a part of a crowd or whatever...

The whole point I was trying to make... is that do what you will... please - but for the love of god... don't try and convince people smoking has health benefits... or that you should be allowed to smoke where ever you want...

No... you should be allowed to smoke any place that doesn't subject other people to the harmful effects of your death stick.

Death stick? Did you miss my post with information about tobacco being used for healing?

Do you understand that reality is subject to belief? We are part of a subjective vibration... some people want everyone to have the same beliefs, particularly fear based ones, to create a consensus reality that they can then be the Lords of.

Are you projecting your beliefs and experiences onto others? How do you know what is healthy or unhealthy for another INDIVIDUAL?

THANK YOU

[28th kingdom]

P.S. Smoker or non-smoker - I still love all of you beautiful people... even you jossypoo.

[rasnalgoul]

maybe you all missed what I posted

[rasnalgoul]

i wouldnt smoke big company cigs just like I dont drink big business alcohol.

[joss classey]

P.S. Smoker or non-smoker - I still love all of you beautiful people... even you jossypoo.

haha :o

people actually call me that

[cleft_asunder]

I'm surprised that even on this forum people lump cigarette's into one category. you guys should be wise than that. Marlboro's, camel's, basic et cetera are not cigarette's. They may look and taste like cigarette's to the inexperienced smoker, but if those are real cigarette's, then dogs are lobsters.

A stick of Marlboro contains about 150-199 chemicals from what I recall, out of a total of 699 (the same as 666) chemicals additives placed in tobacco by the mainstream tobacco companies. Therefore, mainstream cigarette's are more of a drug than a cigarette.

The way the agenda was set up is so easy and clever. What they did was take over (or create) the big tobacco giant. Over the years, the tobacco products became increasingly laced with chemicals, which we now see the repercussions of as lung cancer and all sorts of terrible health problems. But here's the catch. Instead of blaming the 699 chemicals for all the negative effects, nicotine becomes the scapegoat! It was about removing nicotine from us "proles" the whole time.

They created the problem, chemical laced cigarette's, which eventually caused serious health problems in the population, and blamed it on nicotine.

The people react these days to the health problems thinking it's all nicotine's fault. "We must do something! My baby shouldn't have to breath secondhand smoke!"

They offer the "solution" of banning smoking, but the real agenda is to get nicotine away from the masses because the natural untainted stuff aids intelligence, and is too much of a luxury for undeserving "pigs" like us.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with natural untainted tobacco. In the US, American Spirits have become very popular. Unfortunately they were bought a few years ago by big tobacco, so it's hard to say weather it is really additive free. I smoke the canned tobacco but I believe it may be laced with something. Regardless, it is ridiculously easy to quite natural tobacco, because the real addiction comes from the chemical dependency, and not the nicotine. I quite smoking every winter naturally, with absolutely no physical or mental repercussions.

[joss classey]

so basically what we need is a completely natural chemical free tobacco

i assume it would be impossible to find this

[william_mac]

I'm surprised that even on this forum people lump cigarette's into one category. you guys should be wise than that. Marlboro's, camel's, basic et cetera are not cigarette's. They may look and taste like cigarette's to the inexperienced smoker, but if those are real cigarette's, then dogs are lobsters.

A stick of Marlboro contains about 150-199 chemicals from what I recall, out of a total of 699 (the same as 666) chemicals additives placed in tobacco by the mainstream tobacco companies. Therefore, mainstream cigarette's are more of a drug than a cigarette.

The way the agenda was set up is so easy and clever. What they did was take over (or create) the big tobacco giant. Over the years, the tobacco products became increasingly laced with chemicals, which we now see the repercussions of as lung cancer and all sorts of terrible health problems. But here's the catch. Instead of blaming the 699 chemicals for all the negative effects, nicotine becomes the scapegoat! It was about removing nicotine from us "proles" the whole time.

They created the problem, chemical laced cigarette's, which eventually caused serious health problems in the population, and blamed it on nicotine.

The people react these days to the health problems thinking it's all nicotine's fault. "We must do something! My baby shouldn't have to breath secondhand smoke!"

They offer the "solution" of banning smoking, but the real agenda is to get nicotine away from the masses because the natural untainted stuff aids intelligence, and is too much of a luxury for undeserving "pigs" like us.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with natural untainted tobacco. In the US, American Spirits have become very popular. Unfortunately they were bought a few years ago by big tobacco, so it's hard to say weather it is really additive free. I smoke the canned tobacco but I believe it may be laced with something. Regardless, it is ridiculously easy to quite natural tobacco, because the real addiction comes from the chemical dependency, and not the nicotine. I quite smoking every winter naturally, with absolutely no physical or mental repercussions.


Exactly, it's been 5 hours since I've been up, and I'm about to step out of the door to go and work out quickly at the gym. I probably won't have my first cigarette until 2 hours from now when I begin working here at my desk. Yet, I feel no need to smoke right now whatsoever, and I only do it when I want, and I want to do it when I work. I'm a writer, and it adds to the the writer persona I have always admired, and it gets my mind clicking.

I used to smoke American Spririts... but I could tell something changed in them recently. They're just... different. I didn't know they had been bought.

I like to promote Bali-Shag, it's the best smoking experience I've had, it's obscure, it's a handrolling tobacco, it's got a different cut than most tobaccos, and it leaves you feeling satisfied instead of gross. So, you'll smoke one and it makes you just feel like "ahhh... that was a good smoke", and I feel so good after a Bali-Shag cigarette that I don't need even think of smoking another one within thirty minutes of the previous. i actually consider it piggish and disrespectful to smoke like a fiend with good tobacco, good tobacco deserves to be savored, treated with respect, and not piggishly sucked down.

Other people with those stupid factory produced cigarettes are just disgusting when they smoke.



-William

[william_mac]

so basically what we need is a completely natural chemical free tobacco

i assume it would be impossible to find this

Not at all, there are plenty local regional tobacco growers who distribute their tobacco. Lots actually.

But, then again, keep in mind that I live in southeast America. I'm right near Virgina, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina and all of that where a lot of the world's tobacco comes from, so it's easy to just drive to a local independent tobacco store and see plenty of home packaged brands from local indpendent tobacco growers.



-William

[Anders Lindman]

Two lighters a day keep the cancer away. :rolleyes: :D

[pedsi]

Other people with those stupid factory produced cigarettes are just disgusting when they smoke.

Ellitism amongst smokers now:D:D

[joss classey]

Other people with those stupid factory produced cigarettes are just disgusting when they smoke.

Ellitism amongst smokers now:D:D

as southpark indicates

'isms' should be banned

[cleft_asunder]

Exactly, it's been 5 hours since I've been up, and I'm about to step out of the door to go and work out quickly at the gym. I probably won't have my first cigarette until 2 hours from now when I begin working here at my desk. Yet, I feel no need to smoke right now whatsoever, and I only do it when I want, and I want to do it when I work. I'm a writer, and it adds to the the writer persona I have always admired, and it gets my mind clicking.

I used to smoke American Spririts... but I could tell something changed in them recently. They're just... different. I didn't know they had been bought.

I like to promote Bali-Shag, it's the best smoking experience I've had, it's obscure, it's a handrolling tobacco, it's got a different cut than most tobaccos, and it leaves you feeling satisfied instead of gross. So, you'll smoke one and it makes you just feel like "ahhh... that was a good smoke", and I feel so good after a Bali-Shag cigarette that I don't need even think of smoking another one within thirty minutes of the previous. i actually consider it piggish and disrespectful to smoke like a fiend with good tobacco, good tobacco deserves to be savored, treated with respect, and not piggishly sucked down.

Other people with those stupid factory produced cigarettes are just disgusting when they smoke.



-William

Is Bali-Shag natural?

[william_mac]

Other people with those stupid factory produced cigarettes are just disgusting when they smoke.

Ellitism amongst smokers now:D:D

Hah hah. I'm determined to write a book when I'm older about how to smoke cigarettes actually. Well, how to smoke and drink. I don't know what I would call it, perhaps "The Ethics of Smoking and Drinking". I would specify drinking and smoking in different locations such as bars, restaurants, in public, at get togethers, alone... etc.

I just think that, as Johnny Depp actually said "Smoking is a lost art form", and so is drinking for that matter.

Maybe I would call it "The Savvy Vice" oohhh, that sounds good. DON'T STEAL IT! hah hah.




-William
www.William-Mac.com

[synergy777]

whiskey drinking, quality beer, fine tobacco and the smelliest sticki icky, lol now thats a book. with a special munchie/morning after section, bestseller right there.

[monique]

http://www.life2point0.com/WindowsLiveWriter/Remembering_8A52/lemmings1_thumb%5B22%5D.jpg

The institutionalized mafia make a bundle out of tobacco, you'd better consider the Bovis value of what you ingest.....

[s1lm]

I have decided - it's time to start smoking now..:D

[sirjohnthebadji]

I [heart symbol]
SMOKING IN
CHURCH

[william_mac]

I [heart symbol]
SMOKING IN
CHURCH

:eek: But smoking isn't allowed in church! BLASPHEMER! Spawn of Satan! To hell with thee!!



-William

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations:

My 'Fun Pack': Two (2) Bombay Sapphire Martinis; Rigid, Frigid and Arid, a 'Brace' of Skifflefinicks; a long, thin and dark cigar, hand rolled upon the sublime thighs of mullatto virgins. When it is time to Bang the Gong, Kaneh-Bas Indica. Music: World, Flamenco,chopin, gammalon, psy-goa trance, mysterioso..

Work Hard, Relax Hard.

'Most men march to the beat of the drum, I prefer to stroll to the music of the Lute'. Capt. J.T.Kirk

I concur

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Look guys, let's be real about this.

Smoking has it's ups, and it's downs. The only problem that non-smokers have is second-hand smoke. However, when you look at certain evidence, second hand smoke shouldn't effect them at all.

The main point is, is that even if we were to grow our own tobacco, we'd still get in trouble with the ASL (Anti-Smoking-League).

Frankly, like war on drugs, the alcohol probition, it's a war on personal choice.
I smoke. It is my choice. I will admit, that I prefer not to go without my smokes. But, if I feel one day, that the time is right to quit, I know there is help out there to help me quit. I know also, that I have the will power to do so.

It's just like when someone decides to stop smoking ganja.
It's just personal choice. And if a non-smoker can not respect that, then we should not have to respect your personal choices aswell.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Look guys, let's be real about this.

Smoking has it's ups, and it's downs. The only problem that non-smokers have is second-hand smoke. However, when you look at certain evidence, second hand smoke shouldn't effect them at all.



Except the stench it leaves in your clothes, hair and furniture, smells like shit and leaves a generally unpleasant atmosphere. But I suppose someone can spin that into a non-effect of smoking on non-smokers :D

[notaslave]

Except the stench it leaves in your clothes, hair and furniture, smells like shit and leaves a generally unpleasant atmosphere. But I suppose someone can spin that into a non-effect of smoking on non-smokers :D

gimme time :D

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Except the stench it leaves in your clothes, hair and furniture, smells like shit and leaves a generally unpleasant atmosphere. But I suppose someone can spin that into a non-effect of smoking on non-smokers :D

Well, which is worse? The unpleasant smell, or the constand chemical sprays that you spray around in order to have a good smell, which could be effecting your lungs worse than the smoke itself?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations:

What about the Death Laserprinters from Hell(hewlett pakard) that are polluting all the business offices and 'cube farms', killing and sickening the 'White Collar' workers? What about all your Chemical Plant products?, out-gassing a Witches Brew of carcinogens into our common environment.

All day and night I am subjected to, and in close proximity with humans wearing garments of 'Unnatural Fibres', :eek: Orlons, Rayons, the Polyester. And other Fibres too hideous to mention.

Sometimes I stand outside these office buildings and I 'Bullhorn' them as they enter and leave.

"Why, why the unnatural products? I inquire. "There is Linen, Wool, Madras, Silk, Leather, cotton of all types. Inkjet Printers! Stop killing me!!"

So I have learned to live with 'Them'. The purchasers of Chemical Plant Products. Live & Let Live.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[william_mac]

Except the stench it leaves in your clothes, hair and furniture, smells like shit and leaves a generally unpleasant atmosphere. But I suppose someone can spin that into a non-effect of smoking on non-smokers :D

I'll once again state the need for more discriminating smokers, hah. I hate the smell that regular cigarettes give out. I hate the way I smell and feel, and I feel bad when others are around. I can't even be around people smoking regular cigarettes, it makes me sick feeling.

Yet, my clothes smell good when I smoke hand-rolled high-caliber true tobacco. My family (non-smokers) don't complain and they're alright with it, as well as my friends. I don't think non-smokers would mind if people smoked better cigarettes, and not shitty ones that smell like dead ass-fishes (...yeah... ass fishes, something like that).



-William

[william_mac]

Cordial Felicitations:

What about the Death Laserprinters from Hell(hewlett pakard) that are polluting all the business offices and 'cube farms', killing and sickening the 'White Collar' workers? What about all your Chemical Plant products?, out-gassing a Witches Brew of carcinogens into our common environment.

All day and night I am subjected to, and in close proximity with humans wearing garments of 'Unnatural Fibres', :eek: Orlons, Rayons, the Polyester. And other Fibres too hideous to mention.

Sometimes I stand outside these office buildings and I 'Bullhorn' them as they enter and leave.

"Why, why the unnatural products? I inquire. "There is Linen, Wool, Madras, Silk, Leather, cotton of all types. Inkjet Printers! Stop killing me!!"

So I have learned to live with 'Them'. The purchasers of Chemical Plant Products. Live & Let Live.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

Apparently I can't stay in the sun too long due to my face-wash (which may cause cancer) if long-term exposure to the sun occurs. Likewise, sun may give me cancer. However, I shouldn't sit in the dark too long, because I may get cancer. I should also eat the right foods. Yet, too much of any food may give me cancer, whether or not its right. Also, driving a car could kill me, walking could cause robbery, injury, or death.... or I could step in a pot hole while looking at the proverbial "woman in the red dress" and sprang my ankle. It's not good to own guns, because guns kill people; they take over your mind and/or sprout legs in order to murder unsuspecting neighbors. Since I can't have guns, I can not have large sticks either because there is always a risk of bludgeoning someone to death... and statistics show that this year stick deaths are primarily inflicted upon children.

Last year potatoes caused cancer, and this year they're OK, so I'll eat them. I could get mad cow diseas from steak, and spinach is off limits, so I'll eat chicken and Turnip Greens instead.

I'll requote one of my previous responses on this thread from an old 80 year old keyboardest in New Orleans who had been smoking all his life: "It's the fear that kills ya'"

I'm just over it all really. It's good to enjoy life, and not worry about it.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[eternal_spirit]

I'll once again state the need for more discriminating smokers, hah. I hate the smell that regular cigarettes give out. I hate the way I smell and feel, and I feel bad when others are around. I can't even be around people smoking regular cigarettes, it makes me sick feeling.

Yet, my clothes smell good when I smoke hand-rolled high-caliber true tobacco. My family (non-smokers) don't complain and they're alright with it, as well as my friends. I don't think non-smokers would mind if people smoked better cigarettes, and not shitty ones that smell like dead ass-fishes (...yeah... ass fishes, something like that).



-William
............

LOL dead ass fishes eh. Makes you wonder what the hell they put in some cigs:eek: I have phases sometimes I can't stand the smell of my own smoke and others. Then being a smoker I don't even notice the smell most of the time.

I agree hand rolling tobacco tastes, smells much better and my lungs are fine at the moment smoking this stuff. I used to get out of breath if I'd smoked say 20 normal pre rolled factory made ones. The filters are weird too there is a theory that filters contain bad chemicals ( possible carcinogenic) I roll up half a cigarette paper and stick that in the end of my roll ups so it stops bits of bacca sticking to the lips.

[eternal_spirit]

[quote=william_mac;116141]Exactly, it's been 5 hours since I've been up, and I'm about to step out of the door to go and work out quickly at the gym. I probably won't have my first cigarette until 2 hours from now when I begin working here at my desk. Yet, I feel no need to smoke right now whatsoever, and I only do it when I want, and I want to do it when I work. I'm a writer, and it adds to the the writer persona I have always admired, and it gets my mind clicking.
...............

Thing is the longer you smoke, and older you get the more you smoke in some cases. I have two and a coffee when I wake up and then the same again within half an hour. Where I used to be able to have one and wait at least an hour before the next smoke, or not smoke at all until midday.

When I stopped drinking booze which was most days, I started to smoke more. So I can go without booze for months these days. But need my smokes, which is the lesser of the two evils. The booze would kill you off quicker if you drank as much as you smoked. Cigs don't make me puke and not eat booze did.

The smell of alcohol to a sober person on someone is as bad as smoke to a none smoker.

[mr_moon]

Sorry i just have to interject again- i thought i'd left this discussion!

It pains me, hits my heart and makes me sad to see people talking about how smoking is their choice. It isn't YOUR choice at all- it's the choice of whoever convinced you that smoking was good in the first place.

You may believe it is your choice now but it's just another excuse to carry on smoking. It's one of the most intelligent and fiery drugs that exists in the Plant Kingdom and it is so powerful, that it can make a seemingly intelligent Human Being completely and utterly DENY and IGNORE the harmful and debilitating effects that it causes. Why do you think it is the Number 1 killer drug?

Why do they market and manufacture cigs? Why do they sell tobbacco? Why do they encourage smoking through reverse psychology, idols and social integration techniques?

Don't be fooled by the brainwashing like I was and like SO many other people are!!

Much Love to You,

Jay
xxx

[neutron flux]

It pains me, hits my heart and makes me sad to see people talking about how smoking is their choice. It isn't YOUR choice at all- it's the choice of whoever convinced you that smoking was good in the first place.


I don't know about you but I was bombarded with the "smoking is evil" propaganda since primary school - in fact it's only been in the last couple of years that any benefits of nicotine have come to my attention.

Don't be fooled by the brainwashing like I was and like SO many other people are!!


What brainwashing? I've never seen an advert saying smoking is good for me - in fact I don't think I can remember ANYONE telling me of any kind of benefit to nicotine.

Smoking doesn't seem to have done this 100 year old woman any harm and she's been smoking since she was seven:

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/9554/winnielangleyknp228x340zt7.jpg

An iron-lunged pensioner has celebrated her 100th birthday by lighting up her 170,000th cigerette from a candle on her birthday cake.

Winnie Langley started smoking only days after the First World War broke out in June 1914 when she was just seven-years-old - and has got through five a day ever since.

She has no intention of quitting, even after the nationwide ban forced tobacco-lovers outside.

Speaking at her 100th birthday party Winnie said: "I have smoked ever since infant school and I have never thought about quitting.

[bigus_dickus]

It pains me, hits my heart and makes me sad to see people talking about how smoking is their choice. It isn't YOUR choice at all- it's the choice of whoever convinced you that smoking was good in the first place.

my dear friend,

i was like you. i was strictly an anti-smoker, i used to fight all smokers, i used to "tell them off", i used to try to convince them that they were harming themselves and their bodies, i used to induce fear in their minds every time i saw them light up a cigarette.

and then, i woke up :)

it's not the smoke, the tobacco, the chemicals, the industries.. it's simply not it. it's the fear and the belief. for example, smoking is very destructive for you. but the reason is not the chemicals contained, but your belief and your fear! imagine, that anything, literally anything can take smoking's place in the chart of dangerousness, as long as it becomes a belief, hence a program installed and running in a human mind.

you see this every day. every day, you have some new danger on your daily news. one time it is milk, then it is honey, then it is meat, then it is chemtrails, then it is water, then it is air, then it is sex, then it is marijuana, then is radiation, television, mobile phones, wars, hostility, hate, fear, oppression, depression, pessimism. there is nowhere to run, nowhere to hide when you are running from your shadow. the only way you can hide your shadow, is dwell into another shadow. if you think this is brainwashing, i am telling you, yes. i am washing your brain clean, so that you can think clean. you become sick when you believe you are sick, you can try and do an experiment. you can loathe Monday morning and hate to go to work and feel really stressful about it and you wake up being sick on Monday morning. you can believe that you can catch a disease from a sick person and you already have the disease in you.

you have every possibility within waiting for your orders to manifest. you have all the virii, all the diseases, all the contaminations, everything is there present right now. you choose to love and appreciate everything, you create the conditions in which you make it through a road full with potential dangers and you come clean to the other side. you are already curing cancer inside you, but you don't know it yet.

it is more dangerous to walk on a busy street in a rush hour, more dangerous to ride your motorbike on the highway, more dangerous to hike on a steep hill, more dangerous to read the newspaper and believe it! :)

"he who is afraid, let him sleep" -- bigus dickus 2007 :p

[pedsi]

Yes its true that some heavy smokers live to a ripe old age,the same with some drinkers..but lets face the facts here polluting your body on a daily basis with toxic fumes is never going to get you a gold medal in the I love my body olympics is it.And yes there are more contributing factors to humans getting cancers but at the end of the day there are many more diseases caused by smoking than cancer alone!
Its allso true that smoking tobaco goes back probably thousands of years,like the american indians and the like,but i doubt they were going through 40 a day for fuck sake,much rather it was used as a ceremonial aid and they were well aware of the damage dependency upon any drug could have on the soul.
reading these posts by smokers on this thread reminds me of a well known scottish saying.....

When is a clique not a clique???..........When your in it!!

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Nice...

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Well, which is worse? The unpleasant smell, or the constand chemical sprays that you spray around in order to have a good smell, which could be effecting your lungs worse than the smoke itself?

To be honest that's hardly a problem I am aware of. You must be more sensitive than a dog if everywhere you go you are overwhelmed by chemical sprays. Or maybe you are just unlucky.

I certainly don't go into a restaurant (in sweden anyway) and find at least 50% of the room spraying under their armpits every 5 minutes.

At best, it's a lame comparison by smokers to hide the fact that the crap they leave behind them (including fag butts and filthy ashtrays) is not pleasant. A plea to shout "hey it's not just us smokers that make everywhere smell like shit - it's the non smokers too".

[bigus_dickus]

Yes its true that some heavy smokers live to a ripe old age,the same with some drinkers..

if you misunderstand what we are talking about, you are missing the point.

drinking is not bad and dangerous either. becoming an alcoholic is.

if anyone thinks "this dude is right" and then starts consuming 5 packs a day, he misses the whole point.

smoke too much and you become a cigarette, drink too much and you become alcohol(ic), eat too much and you become your food, sunbathe too much and you become fried, wank too much and you become a dick, laugh too much and you become a clown, trip too much and you become lost, spin too much and you become dizzy, fear too much and you become fear, love too much and you become hippie :)

"πάν μέτρον άριστον" (http://www.proz.com/kudoz/1577400)

[neutron flux]

but lets face the facts here polluting your body on a daily basis with toxic fumes is never going to get you a gold medal in the I love my body olympics is it.

I think you'll find our bodies are polluted by toxic fumes anyway - just walk down a busy road and have all those exaust fumes in your lungs as but one example.

Its allso true that smoking tobaco goes back probably thousands of years,like the american indians and the like,but i doubt they were going through 40 a day for fuck sake,

At no point has it been recommended that you smoke 40 a-day - moderation is the key with the purest available to you. I personally smoke around 5-8 roll ups a day, sometimes less.

[pedsi]

by drinkers I meant Alcoholics!!

[joss classey]

the man is right

it's all psychological

[reptilianshapeshifter]

5 a day is obviously going to be less harmful than 20 a day.

I don't care if people smoke or not, I just don't like being a part of it.

We don't dump our feces in public and nor does everyone piss in the street when it takes their fancy. So long as you do it where I don't have to be FORCED to walk away then it's not problem what you get up to in the privacy of your own home.

Farting doesn't harm anyone yet the social outrage it causes (by smokers and non smokers alike) is tantamount to treating people like they have lepresey.

I don't have any habits that I need to do daily, other than eat drink and masturbate.

Anything can be addictive or habitual if you chose to consume more than you need and I feel for people who need alcohol or drugs on a regular basis. I will not be a slave to some product.

[mr_moon]

if you misunderstand what we are talking about, you are missing the point.

drinking is not bad and dangerous either. becoming an alcoholic is.

if anyone thinks "this dude is right" and then starts consuming 5 packs a day, he misses the whole point.

smoke too much and you become a cigarette, drink too much and you become alcohol(ic), eat too much and you become your food, sunbathe too much and you become fried, wank too much and you become a dick, laugh too much and you become a clown, trip too much and you become lost, spin too much and you become dizzy, fear too much and you become fear, love too much and you become hippie :)

"πάν μέτρον άριστον" (http://www.proz.com/kudoz/1577400)

Preach too much and you become a bigus_dickus... ;)

[bigus_dickus]

Preach too much and you become a bigus_dickus... ;)

i don't preach, i don't call anything EVIL ;)

[mr_moon]

i don't preach, i don't call anything EVIL ;)

Sorry- i lost the plot a bit using the word EVIL...

Smoking or not people are free to do what they want.

Much Love to You All,

Jay
xxx

[garth]

Info on the real causes of lung cancer that have been blamed on smoking from the late & great Joe Vialls

This was the notorious “Trinity Test”, the first dirty nuclear weapon to be detonated in the atmosphere. A six-kilogram sphere of plutonium, compressed to supercriticality by explosive lenses, Trinity exploded over New Mexico with a force equal to approximately 20,000 tons of TNT. Within seconds, billions of deadly radioactive particles were sucked into the atmosphere to an altitude of six miles, where high-speed jet streams could circulate them far and wide.
The American Government knew about the radiation in advance, was well aware of its lethal effects on humans, but bluntly ordered the test with a complete disregard for health and welfare. In law, this was culpable gross negligence, but the American Government did not care. Sooner or later, one way or the other, they would find another culprit for any long-term effects suffered by Americans and other citizens in local and more remote areas.
If a single microscopic radioactive fallout particle lands on your skin at the beach, you get skin cancer. Inhale a single particle of the same lethal muck, and death from lung cancer becomes inevitable, unless you happen to be an exceptionally lucky cigarette smoker. The solid microscopic radioactive particle buries itself deep in the lung tissue, completely overwhelms the body’s limited reserves of vitamin B17, and causes rampant uncontrollable cell multiplication.
http://www.vialls.com/transpositions/smoking.html

Great website on growing, drying & chopping your own tobacco (they ship seeds worldwide)
http://www.coffinails.com/index.html

Smoking - it's just gotta be good for ya :)

[reptilianshapeshifter]

So you are saying anyone who has died of "smoking-related" lung diseases in the UK must have have been in the area of the "Trinity Test" at the time? Or are you saying that there are no lung cancer diseases across Europe that are linked to smoking?

[herebynightfall]

Lighten up everyone !!

And light up everyone !!

[joss classey]

i can feel a great energy building up inside me

it's a passion for freedom

and a hate for all that suppresses it

[herebynightfall]

i can feel a great energy building up inside me

it's a passion for freedom

and a hate for all that suppresses it

that my friend is what we have 'earned' for realizing our prison, and stepping out of it.

our strings are cut. meet you in the clouds.

[pedsi]

that my friend is what we have 'earned' for realizing our prison, and stepping out of it.

our strings are cut. meet you in the clouds.

watch out for those damn chemmies:D

[herebynightfall]

watch out for those damn chemmies:D

mm good point.. in that case..

meet you in the that stream of infinity, just above the stream of mindaltering chemicals.

[cheeb]

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/4064/smokinix2.jpg

So True!!
;)

[garth]

So you are saying anyone who has died of "smoking-related" lung diseases in the UK must have have been in the area of the "Trinity Test" at the time? Or are you saying that there are no lung cancer diseases across Europe that are linked to smoking?

Sorry mate, here's a bit more from the article

The overall magnitude of lung cancer risk to humans from atmospheric radioactive fallout cannot be overstated. Before Russia, Britain and America outlawed atmospheric testing on August 5, 1963, more than 4,200 kilograms of plutonium had been discharged into the atmosphere. Because we know that less than one microgram [millionth of a single gram] of inhaled plutonium causes terminal lung cancer in a human, we therefore know that your friendly government has lofted 4,200,000,000 [4.2 Billion] lethal doses into the atmosphere, with particle radioactive half-life a minimum of 50,000 years. Frightening? Unfortunately it gets worse.
The plutonium mentioned above exists in the actual nuclear weapon before detonation, but by far the greatest number of deadly radioactive particles are those derived from common dirt or sand sucked up from the ground, and irradiated while travelling vertically through the weapon’s fireball. These particles form by far the largest part of the “smoke” in any photo of an atmospheric nuclear detonation. In most cases several tons of material are sucked up and permanently irradiated in transit, but let us be incredibly conservative and claim that only 1,000 kilograms of surface material is sucked up by each individual atmospheric nuclear test.
Before being banned by Russia, Britain and America, a total of 711 atmospheric nuclear tests were conducted, thereby creating 711,000 kilograms of deadly microscopic radioactive particles, to which must be added the original 4,200 kilograms from the weapons themselves, for a gross though very conservative total of 715,200 kilograms. There are more than a million lethal doses per kilogram, meaning that your governments have contaminated your atmosphere with more than 715,000,000,000 [715 Billion] such doses, enough to cause lung or skin cancer 117 times in every man, woman and child on earth.
Before you ask, no, the radioactive particles do not just “fade away”, at least not in your lifetime or that of your children and grandchildren. With a half-life of 50,000 years or longer, these countless trillions of deadly government-manufactured radioactive particles are essentially with you forever. Circulated around the world by powerful jet streams, these particles are deposited at random, though in higher concentrations within a couple of thousand miles of the original test sites. A simple wind or other surface disturbance is all that is needed to stir them up again and create enhanced dangers for those in the vicinity.

Basically this shit is and will be on our atmosphere for a bloody long time, thats why "they" won't ban smoking, cause if they do there "smoke" screen will be blown.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=53012


Each year, over 170,000 Americans develop lung cancer, and approximately ten per cent of lung cancers, or 17,000 cases, occur in non-smokers.


Well then that figure don't add up cos surely you would expect it to be around 50/50 for smokers and non smokers alike?????

[bigus_dickus]

So you are saying anyone who has died of "smoking-related" lung diseases in the UK must have have been in the area of the "Trinity Test" at the time? Or are you saying that there are no lung cancer diseases across Europe that are linked to smoking?

do you know that most heart attacks occur on monday mornings at around 9 a.m

(research it, i am not lying)

next thing you know, the stupiditists ...err i mean "scientists" and the idiotic governments are going to announce Mondays 9 AM, as the cause of heart attacks! :)

next thing those idiots are going to do, is ban Mondays, 9 AM.

the human is the only animal in the universe that dies en masse on a specific weekday and time. this is really astounding.

and it's all due to stress. people get jobs that they hate and hate their lives, they are never happy with anything, they believe they need to work their asses off to become "successful" and "respectful".

what a mad world!

[synergy777]

garth, spot on. the half life of raioactive substances is thousands of years, then add in car fumes etc. yet these don't cause cancer but tobacco does, lol. add to this the du (depleted uranium) all over the globe now, due to democracy warfare/resource grabbing, in the middle east, we are soaked in radioactivity.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

look guys, i've quoted a figure there, which to my logic says that 10% of lung cancer victims are non smokers. Why is it then that the other 90% of the statistic are smokers yet you say that lung cancer is causef by radiation bombs.

So are you saying it's not the smoking that causes the cancer its that radiation bombs mostly affect only smokers and if it weren't for the radiation smokers would be fine?

Maybe I am missing something but anyone can quote anecdotes and all nod in agreement. There's a figure^

[reptilianshapeshifter]

do you know that most heart attacks occur on monday mornings at around 9 a.m

(research it, i am not lying)

next thing you know, the stupiditists ...err i mean "scientists" and the idiotic governments are going to announce Mondays 9 AM, as the cause of heart attacks! :)



I find it surprising that so many people are scathing of scientists when your whole life is based around utilising the achievements of science. :confused:

[herebynightfall]

Yeah, correctomundo shapeshifter.

My grandfather died of lung cancer. He chain smoked from the time he was 20 to the day he died. At 70

We may know of the reasoning behind our controllers control over the past thousands of years.

But knowing of it, and escaping from it, does not make you invincible.

You may want to believe that everything is possible.

And that smoking won't have very bad negative effects. Just because you think it.

The fact is, infinite possibility is a truth. But the way this universe was formed, in such a physical way. Our vessels very much can sustain damage.

Smoke ganja out of glass pieces, using balsa wood to light the baby up. (I find that way easier, and more satisfying)

Cigarettes are great after almost any tiny accomplishment of the day, if your a smoker.

So it's very hard not to smoke one after a beer, or a videogame achievement, or writing something deep, or sex.

It's like a victory ritual. Which is what tobacco is for me. It's a ritual. Almost everytime.

I've been ordering sheesha from pakistan. And using my hookah to smoke it. Kiwi flavor is pretty great.

But yeah who knows, tobacco is a mystery, but occasional rituals with the plant is good in my book.

[revolution 9]

Yet, my clothes smell good when I smoke hand-rolled high-caliber true tobacco. My family (non-smokers) don't complain and they're alright with it, as well as my friends. I don't think non-smokers would mind if people smoked better cigarettes, and not shitty ones that smell like dead ass-fishes (...yeah... ass fishes, something like that).
-William

Can you suggest a good hand-rolling tobacco? I like to roll my own.

[bigus_dickus]

I find it surprising that so many people are scathing of scientists when your whole life is based around utilising the achievements of science. :confused:

i don't.. i am a scientist myself. i used the term in quotation marks..

[cheeb]

There is a link between smoking and cancer!
But there could be another cause!
You have got to light up your fag,
Could there be a link to the phosphurous in matches,?
Or the butane in lighters?

I wonder if this has been properly researched?

:eek:

[herebynightfall]

Yeha the butane from lights, and the chems in matches are bad.

so never inhale those first 2 puffs !!

in any cigar shop you can get loads of balsa (ball-sah) wood for free.

it makes the cig taste fresher and it chemical free for less damaging effects.

just light the tip of a thin piece (with a lighter or match) and use like a match.

[supertzar]

AAAAHHHH!!! The cancer is caused by RADIATION absorbed by the plant from the phosphate fertilizers. Every smoker should be aware of this. Tobacco grown with non phosphate fertilizer should not cause this problem.

Just grow your own. It's easy and fun. I have several plants of nicotiana rustica that are growing right now. They are huge and getting extremely potent. It seriously gets you blasted smoking the rustica. It's too potent to chain smoke it or anything. A little bit added to a joint revolutionizes getting high.

[eternal_spirit]

The world's oldest man was Chinese I think lived to 130 a chain smoker. don't know what sort he smoked, pipe rolled his own?

[eternal_spirit]

AAAAHHHH!!! The cancer is caused by RADIATION absorbed by the plant from the phosphate fertilizers. Every smoker should be aware of this. Tobacco grown with non phosphate fertilizer should not cause this problem.

Just grow your own. It's easy and fun. I have several plants of nicotiana rustica that are growing right now. They are huge and getting extremely potent. It seriously gets you blasted smoking the rustica. It's too potent to chain smoke it or anything. A little bit added to a joint revolutionizes getting high.

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Sounds nice. Can you but the seed in any shops?

[supertzar]

I got mine from bouncingbearbotanicals.com. It was $10 US including shipping for a packet of seeds. You just might be able to find someone willing to send you some seed if you ask the right person.

[eternal_spirit]

I got mine from bouncingbearbotanicals.com (http://bouncingbearbotanicals.com). It was $10 US including shipping for a packet of seeds. You just might be able to find someone willing to send you some seed if you ask the right person.
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Sounds like a bargain. It's £10 in the UK for 50 g pouch of bacca in the shops.