Why drugs are allowed by the PTB?

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I'm not sure if I've posted in the correct forum area here, please move/delete if I am wrongdoing.

I just wondered if anyone has any information/theories/research on drugs.

- Conspiracies as to why so much passes our customs,

- Theories

- Etc.

Or any other information/disinformation that Joe Public is not familiar with.

Mike

[rowan22]

Hi Mike. Because social disintegration convinces Mr and Mrs general public that we need more police less freedom and the more chaos. The more they can create the fear of crime the louder and more widespread the drift towards the right becomes.

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Hi Mike. Because social disintegration convinces Mr and Mrs general public that we need more police less freedom and the more chaos. The more they can create the fear of crime the louder and more widespread the drift towards the right becomes.

Thanks for your reply, :), I agree. Do you know of anyones work who specialises in this field?

[thedefender]

Drugs are brought into any country because money is to be made. There is no coincidence that the poppy feilds in Afganistan were restored after 9/11. This is one of the many many reasons the USA is occupying this land.

Drugs are also allowed because TPTB do not care about who uses them. This is not limited to marijuana, cocaine, heroine, etc..etc..A massive amount of money is made on pharmceutical(sp?) drugs which are wrongfully prescribed, used, and by the user; abused.

They bring them in to keep people dumbed down and to control their bodies and mind. The main target is the youth and the youth smoke it up, sniff it up, inject it in. By detatching man's consciousness of his soul they have used drugs for decades to feed the body instead of the mind. They try to control you from within...because from within they can conquer the exterior. Our souls!

[rowan22]

Drugs are brought into any country because money is to be made. There is no coincidence that the poppy feilds in Afganistan were restored after 9/11. This is one of the many many reasons the USA is occupying this land.

Drugs are also allowed because TPTB do not care about who uses them. This is not limited to marijuana, cocaine, heroine, etc..etc..A massive amount of money is made on pharmceutical(sp?) drugs which are wrongfully prescribed, used, and by the user; abused.

They bring them in to keep people dumbed down and to control their bodies and mind. The main target is the youth and the youth smoke it up, sniff it up, inject it in. By detatching man's consciousness of his soul they have used drugs for decades to feed the body instead of the mind. They try to control you from within...because from within they can conquer the exterior. Our souls!

Nicely put!

[rowan22]

Thanks for your reply, :), I agree. Do you know of anyones work who specialises in this field?

Read anything by Noam Chomsky. What he details is the culture of enslavement not just the means used. Also Howard Zinns a peoples history of the United States.

[antinwo]

Because it makes them an absolute fortune

[lightgiver]

I'm not sure if I've posted in the correct forum area here, please move/delete if I am wrongdoing.

I just wondered if anyone has any information/theories/research on drugs.

- Conspiracies as to why so much passes our customs,

- Theories

- Etc.

Or any other information/disinformation that Joe Public is not familiar with.

Mike

Certain substances when used over time starts to open the mind to reality.

TPTB do not want that happening,I am sure there are many other reasons also.

“To forbid or even seriously restrict the use of so holy and gracious a herb would cause widespread suffering and annoyance, and to large bands of worshipped ascetics, deep-seated anger. It would rob the people of a solace in discomfort, of a cure in sickness, of a guardian whose precious protection saves them from the attacks of evil influences… Like his Hindu brother, the Musalman fakir reveres Bhang as the lengthener of life, the freer from the bonds of self. Bhang brings union with the Divine Spirit. “We drank Bhang and the mystery I am, grew plain. So grand a result, so tiny a sin.”

J.M. Campell Note on the Religion of Hemp British Indian Hemp Drugs Commission Report 1839-1894

http://www.hemptopia.org/Cannabis_Spirituality.php

[rowan22]

Certain substances when used over time starts to open the mind to reality.

TPTB do not want that happening,I am sure there are many other reasons also.

“To forbid or even seriously restrict the use of so holy and gracious a herb would cause widespread suffering and annoyance, and to large bands of worshipped ascetics, deep-seated anger. It would rob the people of a solace in discomfort, of a cure in sickness, of a guardian whose precious protection saves them from the attacks of evil influences… Like his Hindu brother, the Musalman fakir reveres Bhang as the lengthener of life, the freer from the bonds of self. Bhang brings union with the Divine Spirit. “We drank Bhang and the mystery I am, grew plain. So grand a result, so tiny a sin.”

J.M. Campell Note on the Religion of Hemp British Indian Hemp Drugs Commission Report 1839-1894

http://www.hemptopia.org/Cannabis_Spirituality.php

Definitely, I don’t rate heroin and coke in the same way as the natural Hallucinogens. They are vehicles for the direct apprehension the divine, no question:)

The deep experiences of self and others possible with say mazapetec mushrooms tells me that we were meant t to ingest them.

As for weed, I find it saps my motivation and I like to keep fit, but aside from that, g13 all the way:D

[lightgiver]

Definitely, I don’t rate heroin and coke in the same way as the natural Hallucinogens. They are vehicles for the direct apprehension the divine, no question:)

The deep experiences of self and others possible with say mazapetec mushrooms tells me that we were meant t to ingest them.

As for weed, I find it saps my motivation and I like to keep fit, but aside from that, g13 all the way:D

:D

Of all experiences in the hasheesh state, my indoctrination into spiritual facts through means of symbols was the most wonderful to myself... I was lifted entirely out of this world of hitherto conceivable being, and invested with the power of beholding forms and modes of existence which, on earth, are impossible to be expressed.. - Fitzhugh Ludlow, "The Hasheesh Eater"

[rowan22]

:D

Of all experiences in the hasheesh state, my indoctrination into spiritual facts through means of symbols was the most wonderful to myself... I was lifted entirely out of this world of hitherto conceivable being, and invested with the power of beholding forms and modes of existence which, on earth, are impossible to be expressed.. - Fitzhugh Ludlow, "The Hasheesh Eater"

Yeah the word Hallucination, undoubtedly contains the idea that you are seeing something that isn't there. But after a while the doors of perception definitely get more sensitive and basically I think you stop seeing the random contents of your own unconscious and start uncovering a deeper shared experience which extends the known into the next level.

[flyermay]

Trafficking with drugs pays for the CIA's black operations all around the world; it wouldn't work if someone stopped those drugs reaching the streets of America.

They also allow drugs reaching specific areas or groups so that they wouldn't be a problem for the PTB (i.e. troops in Vietnam, minorities and marginal areas of the US).

I believe that former FBI chief Ted Gunderson researched this subject; you can find his lectures and interviews on YouTube.

Here are some more videos:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6312522320746795536
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-466163768866398103
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6127801883915036218
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6996105445050644620

[rowan22]

Trafficking with drugs pays for the CIA's black operations all around the world; it wouldn't work if someone stopped those drugs reaching the streets of America.

They also allow drugs reaching specific areas or groups so that they wouldn't be a problem for the PTB (i.e. troops in Vietnam, minorities and marginal areas of the US).

I believe that former FBI chief Ted Gunderson researched this subject; you can find his lectures and interviews on YouTube.

Here are some more videos:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6312522320746795536
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-466163768866398103
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6127801883915036218
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6996105445050644620

Cheers man, excellent stuff! The C.I.A allowed crack into the states in the sixties to destroy the civil rights movement. Ecstasy in Britain following the poll tax riots in the nineties.

Any sovereign nation who researchers methods of mass mind control. I mean join the dots up M.K.ULTRA!!

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Thanks very much flyermay for the video links.

I will have to get through them this week.

Appreciated, Mike, ;)

[flyermay]

Cheers man, excellent stuff! The C.I.A allowed crack into the states in the sixties to destroy the civil rights movement. Ecstasy in Britain following the poll tax riots in the nineties.

Any sovereign nation who researchers methods of mass mind control. I mean join the dots up M.K.ULTRA!!

Yes, that's true, it's not only in the US; many other countries also do it. For example: there was a time when the Spanish government allowed heroin traffic in the Basque country to increase crime just to justify a police state.

[firstlook]

I have the opinion of Graham Hancock. Class A drugs like DMT are made illegal because of their affects on consciousness. I thinks thats the real motive, even over money. Introduce these substances into a culture and you can kiss the controlled mind goodbye.

Other drugs are classed with less strickness, because they're not as effective on the mind as the Hullicanigines

[rowan22]

Yes, that's true, it's not only in the US; many other countries also do it. For example: there was a time when the Spanish government allowed heroin traffic in the Basque country to increase crime just to justify a police state.

Franco tried every campaign of cultural annihilation he could to break the Basque resistance down. Did you know that Franco tried to encourage mass occupation of Basque land in order to fragment their sense of cultural identity. Interesting that a Fascist, would encourage foreigners into Spain, so long as meant they would be useful in his final objective of breaking a people with a sense of their own identity. People confuse the idea of Fascist with racist, they need not be exclusive. Fascists are about power and control period. They will use anyone to any ends so long as it means they take control. People are just pawns in a game to them.

Then of course the natives and the newcomers start fighting and the Fascists have a mandate, as you say for a police state!

They fear our unity most of all, that’s why, any and all positive traces of Communism has to be erased from the popular consciousness. When Fascists are that frightened of an ideology, you know it must have some pretty heavy juice!

[flyermay]

Franco tried every campaign of cultural annihilation he could to break the Basque resistance down. Did you know that Franco tried to encourage mass occupation of Basque land in order to fragment their sense of cultural identity. Interesting that a Fascist, would encourage foreigners into Spain, so long as meant they would be useful in his final objective of breaking a people with a sense of their own identity. People confuse the idea of Fascist with racist, they need not be exclusive. Fascists are about power and control period. They will use anyone to any ends so long as it means they take control. People are just pawns in a game to them.

Then of course the natives and the newcomers start fighting and the Fascists have a mandate, as you say for a police state!

They fear our unity most of all, that’s why, any and all positive traces of Communism has to be erased from the popular consciousness. When Fascists are that frightened of an ideology, you know it must have some pretty heavy juice!

The case I'm talking about is even worse, because you could expect anything from a fascist, but this happened way after Franco died, and well into 'democracy' (actually, it was done by the very same government that's right now in power).

[rowan22]

The case I'm talking about is even worse, because you could expect anything from a fascist, but this happened way after Franco died, and well into 'democracy' (actually, it was done by the very same government that's right now in power).


It's the old Fascism/Dogma axis again then isn't it? One hand washing the other!

[cpfc12]

Hi Mike. Because social disintegration convinces Mr and Mrs general public that we need more police less freedom and the more chaos. The more they can create the fear of crime the louder and more widespread the drift towards the right becomes.

I think having more police is one thing, but tougher legislation for the police to enforce is worse, and more scary in my opinion, they want people to fuck themselves up with drugs

[rowan22]

I have the opinion of Graham Hancock. Class A drugs like DMT are made illegal because of their affects on consciousness. I thinks thats the real motive, even over money. Introduce these substances into a culture and you can kiss the controlled mind goodbye.

Other drugs are classed with less strickness, because they're not as effective on the mind as the Hullicanigines

Good point!

[rowan22]

I think having more police is one thing, but tougher legislation for the police to enforce is worse, and more scary in my opinion, they want people to fuck themselves up with drugs

Yes that's true' we are only allowed to kill ourselves with nice taxable drugs, or to fuck up the environment with lovely little genetically modified crops made by the drugs company’s and their sponsors.


Anything that may lead to an expansion in awareness is about as popular as a bad smell at a funeral!

Thirty six million prescriptions for prozac in the U.K last year doesn't say we are a "happy breed" does it?

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I have the opinion of Graham Hancock. Class A drugs like DMT are made illegal because of their affects on consciousness. I thinks thats the real motive, even over money. Introduce these substances into a culture and you can kiss the controlled mind goodbye.

Other drugs are classed with less strickness, because they're not as effective on the mind as the Hullicanigines

Is this opinion to imply drugs are somewhat good? (Good, in the sense of becoming conscious to higher realities/or seeing things in a different perspective - different, meaning, not what the PTB would want Joe Public to have access to?)

An interesting theory which I could vouch for.

BTW - I am not challenging your view in anyway here, :).

[kanz]

I'm not sure if I've posted in the correct forum area here, please move/delete if I am wrongdoing.

I just wondered if anyone has any information/theories/research on drugs.

- Conspiracies as to why so much passes our customs,

- Theories

- Etc.

Or any other information/disinformation that Joe Public is not familiar with.

Mike

So much drug's get's in as theres money to be made so someone will do it.
Think how much drugs flow threw britain alone. To supply the whole of britain threwout the year is a lot of drugs.
To the best of my knowledge a kilo of coke cut can go for anywhere betwen 24-28k.
So theres a high demand and a high price , that cover's just about any reason why people would do it.

Ofc the price is only so high because it's illegal, I read somewhere you can make a kilo of pure coke easyer than a kilo of sugar, so it makes you wonder.