Papiere Bitte! (Snaps Fingers)

[hagbard_celine]

Every time you see a solicitor, sign on at a new GP or dentists, apply for a job, all the time! A few years ago, the only time you'd need to show your passport was at customs when travelling abroad. I've not done that since 2001, but in the intervening years I've had to show my passport on at least 4 occasions! It's expired now and I've not renewed it so I guess I'm an unperson! Read 1984 and you'll see that an "unperson" is anyone who is not listed on the official Big Brother database; in the world of 1984 that person doesn't exist. In a few years you'll be able to murder me and will not face criminal charges, just like in the old days when you could lawfully kill anyone who'd been excommunicated by the Pope.

A friend of mine who's a 74 year old lady is moving house and the estate agent wants to see her passport or birth certificate and she's got neither! I've advised her to see her solicitor.

It's getting like those old war movies. You know the sort: the hero is standing on a crowded bus in Nazi Germany pretending to be German and the police stop the bus and get on board asking every passenger for their identity card "Papiere bitte!" This must be paving the way for the NID card scheme, just like school fingerprinting. They want to get people accustomed to the practices of continual identity checks before the full-scale system is introduced, so that by the time it is, it will seem ordinary and everyday

[hagbard_celine]

My friend has just this minute phoned me and told me that the solicitors have said that they can't do business with her unless she has a passport! She's 74 and has never had one! This could screw up her house move!

It's obvious that the govt want to create a "Identity Check Culture" in preparation for ID cards. I've written to Chris Buratta of the Oxford Mail, the man who did my story of school fingerprinting.

[cheesedanish]

You will also become an 'unperson' when microchipped if 'they'
decide to 'switch you off' the 'database' for whatever reason!

[cheesedanish]

Yes we are in a culture of 'identifying' ourselves for everything - and
everywhere we go! The other day I called the bank for a query and
they insisted I give my I.D. Number and I refused as I said it had
nothing to do with the query? I wasn't asking about my personal
bank account just a general query at the call centre!

[hagbard_celine]

Yes we are in a culture of 'identifying' ourselves for everything - and
everywhere we go! The other day I called the bank for a query and
they insisted I give my I.D. Number and I refused as I said it had
nothing to do with the query? I wasn't asking about my personal
bank account just a general query at the call centre!

Well done! :) It's vital that we don't get sucked into this culture, but instead see it for what it is. It will only take a handful of people digging their heels in to make the system unworkable.

[hagbard_celine]

You will also become an 'unperson' when microchipped if 'they'
decide to 'switch you off' the 'database' for whatever reason!

That's it. They can even use it as punishment for a crime. They can sentance you to only being able to buy certain products for example, especially if the microchip is linked to the money system. In the book of Red Dwarf, a person is punished by not being able to buy Heinz baked beans; he'll have to make do with the sub-standard supermarket brands!

[hagbard_celine]

You will also become an 'unperson' when microchipped if 'they'
decide to 'switch you off' the 'database' for whatever reason!

Yeah, they've admitted that. Or at least that's what One of the Rockefellers told Aaaron Russo.

[hagbard_celine]

Yesterday I received a letter from my boss about “Eligibility to work”. My employers have demanded that I provide my birth certificate or passport to prove my identity. This is despite the fact that I did so less than two years ago when I transferred departments. Since then I have lost both my passport and birth certificate and my passport has expired anyway. I contacted my shop-steward and he seems to have a very blase attitude to all this. “Oh yeah.” He shrugged nonchalently. “We have to provide ID every three years. It’s the law nowadays.” I was surprised and dismayed because this individual normally has a reputation of being a raving firebrand. Only on Wednesday I saw him in the office virtually stamping his feet and thumping the table about something; yet he doesn’t seem alarmed by these new ID procedures.

A few years ago a passport was something you got out and dusted off only when you travelled abroad; I last used mine in 2001 when I visited Ireland. Now you need it for almost everything; applying for this and applying for that! I’m sure it’s obvious to most members what the strategy is behind this: They’re preparing the ground for the ID cards! They’re creating the ID infrastructure and acclimatizing the population to the culture of constant identity-checks. This is also why they’re taking kids fingerprints in school.

In this new regime I am obviously an “unperson”; I do not exist! Strange, I’m sure I did exist when I last checked; maybe you guys can correct me if I’m wrong! :D:rolleyes:The steward has reassured me that a passport is not essential (yet;)) and other documents will do like a National Insurance card or even a selection of bills. If he’s wrong then it’s official that British nationals cannot work in the NHS unless they are full passport holders, and passports are now connected to the ID card system!

He’s advised me to renew my passport as soon as possible. But to tell you the truth I don’t want to even if I could. I’m a Welshman , so I don’t feel comfortable carrying a UK passport, let alone an EU one! Also if I apply for a passport now then I’ll probably have to provide biometric data and agree to my name being placed on the provisional NID database, which is unthinkable. If my employers don’t accept my alternative ID then they will have to discharge someone who has served for 18 years and whom everybody else there knows… because he can’t prove his identity!!!???:eek::confused::rolleyes::(

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My friend has just this minute phoned me and told me that the solicitors have said that they can't do business with her unless she has a passport! She's 74 and has never had one! This could screw up her house move!

It's obvious that the govt want to create a "Identity Check Culture" in preparation for ID cards. I've written to Chris Buratta of the Oxford Mail, the man who did my story of school fingerprinting.

Well if the solicitors in question have said this then they are spunking money up the wall (something solicitors dont normally do) as there is no law that requires them to so so.

All i can say is Ive seen 2 solicitors after a car accident some months ago. I have changed doctors in the last year and not once have i been asked for my passport including every time Ive changed jobs. I'm not saying this dosent happen but it dosent happen to me. In fact the only time Ive ever been asked for my passport is when i go on holiday.

In jobs where people work with vulnerable people such as teachers and carers i think is good practice to make sure they are who they say they are. Employers also have to cover their own backs as they are held responsible if they are caught employing people who are not allowed to work.

[dmessick]

Yeah I think it's time for everyone to work together and get out why we can. Privacy is getting harder to keep.

[hagbard_celine]

In jobs where people work with vulnerable people such as teachers and carers i think is good practice to make sure they are who they say they are. Employers also have to cover their own backs as they are held responsible if they are caught employing people who are not allowed to work.


Yes, but I wouldn't like to see these people's vulknerability being exploited in a PRS to introduce the Datasbse State. That in itself would be an abuse of those people.

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I think most would agree over the last few years the security checks of people who work with vulnerable people have been below par.

[hagbard_celine]

I think most would agree over the last few years the security checks of people who work with vulnerable people have been below par.


And they haven't improved since the new restrictions have been brought in.;)

[hagbard_celine]

I was standing in a queue at a GP's surgery yesterday and the person in front of me was newly-registering. The receptionist said she'd need to bring is "photo ID" like a passport or something to get herself on a doctors list! :mad::rolleyes:

[lumukanda]

it's been like that here in south africa since i can remember, you need an id or passport to do anything, vote (ha!), open an account, go to the bank, book an airplane ticked, bus ticket, you name it, we need it, in fact i never leave mine at home, it's no use fighting here, it's so ingrained in south african culture already, you can't do a thing without it, there's talk of a new, sexier id card coming out, i can't wait. *sigh*

check out this story, it's a couple of years old, but you get the point :

Man demands ID in home affairs hostage drama

The Pretoria home affairs department has delivered the identity document that a man has demanded in exchange for the release of his hostage from a locked room at the home affairs offices in central Johannesburg.

However, it has not yet been handed over to him, police said at 7.25pm.

The Soweto man, 31, is holding a Department of Home Affairs employee hostage at gunpoint in a locked room.

Home Affairs spokesperson Mike Ramagoma told Sapa at 6.15pm that the man has been waiting for his ID for months.

Ramagoma criticised officials who had repeated turned the man away.

"We need to meet his demands, not only because he is holding an employee hostage, but because he is entitled to his identity document.

"He has been waiting for it for three months, and we have an obligation to get it to him."

Ramagoma said police had told him the man would not let the woman go until he had the document in his hands.

He said the department was making arrangements to get the identity document to him, but it was an "impossible task" to hurry.

"It does not take a few hours to print an ID. There are processes to go through."

He said the department did not want to exacerbate "this difficult situation we are in".

"We have committed ourselves (to getting the ID to him)".

Ramagoma said officials had dealt incorrectly with the man by telling him to come back time and again for his identity document.

"They went about it in completely the wrong way. It is unacceptable that he has had to wait for three months. He should have brought it to our attention."

Ramagoma said, however, that the man's actions would result in him facing a criminal charge.

He said there was not a huge backlog of applications, but sometimes their delivery was held up if the offices did not forward applications timeously or a longer verification process was necessary.

"It should take six to eight weeks from application to delivery," he said.

Ramagoma appealed to people who had applied for identity documents and had not collected them to please do so.

"If they have a problem it is their right to consult the minister, the deputy minister, the director-general," he said. - Sapa
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