Psychotria viridis (Ayahuasca)

[pythaem]

Is it safe to buy Psychotria viridis (Ayahuasca) from online sites?

There's one called Shamanic Extracts...someone on yahoo asked where you can buy Ayahuasca and that place was recommended by an answerer.

I can't afford a $3000 trip to South America :eek:

Anyone know if that site or any others are safe? If you want to PM thats cool too, any advice is greatly appreciated :)

[echoes_of_a_dream]

Psychotria viridis (Chacruna) is not a specifically controlled species in the United States. Live plants and seeds are bought and sold and are not generally considered illegal. However, DMT, one of the chemicals contained in these plants, is Schedule I in the U.S. Practically, this means that if an extraction is done on DMT containing Psychotria species, the resulting DMT is illegal to possess.

Large scale (especially commercial) extraction of DMT from Psychotria species falls into the realm of "clearly illegal" and would very likely be prosecuted. It is also possible that importation of DMT containing Psychotria species into the United States could result in problems with customs, especially if large volumes are imported.

Source: The Vault of Erowid (http://www.erowid.org/plants/psychotria/psychotria_law.shtml)

I think shamanic-extracts is a dutch supplier, you might want to try these guys who are based in Arizona...

Bouncing Bear Botanicals > Ayahuasca Products > Chacruna (http://www.bouncingbearbotanicals.com/chacruna-p-114.html)

:)

[pedsi]

I've never had or heard of any problems with this crowd.:)

http://www.maya-ethnobotanicals.com/

[pythaem]

awesome!!! thank you so much guys!!

[dimensionaldetective]

Bouncing Bear is the bomb.

Had nothing but great service from them.

Happy journeys.

[pessi_optimist]

Be careful and know what you're doing

[pythaem]

One thing I'm concerned about is method. I would like to smoke, as I'm told that the effects don't last as long, and I feel like that would be better for my first time. So I'm trying to find the plant by itself instead of making it into tea or whatever. But I still have plenty of research to do before I actually make a purchase. I really appreciate the advice.

[pedsi]

Lots of good advice and ext. teks here....http://www.dmt-nexus.com/ :)

[dmt head]

One thing I'm concerned about is method. I would like to smoke, as I'm told that the effects don't last as long, and I feel like that would be better for my first time. So I'm trying to find the plant by itself instead of making it into tea or whatever. But I still have plenty of research to do before I actually make a purchase. I really appreciate the advice.

You cant just smoke plant material, get mimosa hostillis and check out pedsi's link! ;)

[pythaem]

You cant just smoke plant material, get mimosa hostillis and check out pedsi's link! ;)

So does this mean that if they're shopping online, no matter where it is purchased, one would need to do some kind of laboratory/extraction procedure? :p

No such thing as buy it and smoke it anywhere? hehe...

Thanks again :)

[dmt head]

Actually I retract my statement lol I read a while back, forgot about this thread, but I read you can smoke powdered mimosa and after a while dmt will eventually gather at the bottom of the bong/pipe and you should get off, ive not tried this. I doubt you would go to the same places with crystals but you never know, if enough was used, maybe, ive yet to try it, no mimosa, or crystals :( lol

Virola resin has 5meo-dmt and virola calyphilla (sp) has dmt in it, they works as is, as does hawain baby woodrose seeds and lots of herbs and seeds and cacti!

For aya you just brew it in a big pot and drink the tea, nearly as is, and some extractions are ridiculously easy, though I understand its easy when you know how, can be intimidating but just following steps parrot fashion can surprisingly work! You should try pedsi's link!

[wobbler]

This is a good site with folks experiences and preparations

http://www.erowid.org/plants/

[pythaem]

Actually I retract my statement lol I read a while back, forgot about this thread, but I read you can smoke powdered mimosa and after a while dmt will eventually gather at the bottom of the bong/pipe and you should get off, ive not tried this. I doubt you would go to the same places with crystals but you never know, if enough was used, maybe, ive yet to try it, no mimosa, or crystals :( lol

Virola resin has 5meo-dmt and virola calyphilla (sp) has dmt in it, they works as is, as does hawain baby woodrose seeds and lots of herbs and seeds and cacti!

For aya you just brew it in a big pot and drink the tea, nearly as is, and some extractions are ridiculously easy, though I understand its easy when you know how, can be intimidating but just following steps parrot fashion can surprisingly work! You should try pedsi's link!

Yeah the main reason smoke seemed like a better option (for first time) is that it only lasts a few minutes while I'm told the tea lasts for hours...

edit: i also realize that when i started this thread i had no idea what was what so the title is misleading...more interested in discussing the smokable form than the tea

[glacidtek]

anyone have a UK supplier of Virola theiodora resin?

I'm going to try the lime mix and make it smokable..... my nose cant handle the burn!

[dmt head]

anyone have a UK supplier of Virola theiodora resin?

I'm going to try the lime mix and make it smokable..... my nose cant handle the burn!

Dont have a uk supplier but you can use it sublingually, its never worked for me by snorting or sublingually. Some people need a lot of 5meo for effects to be noticed, maybe im one of those people, ive tried it three times and no joy, did you have any luck? Would love to know your supplier if you did get it working! I used shamanic-extracts

[pythaem]

Virola resin has 5meo-dmt and virola calyphilla (sp) has dmt in it, they works as is, as does hawain baby woodrose seeds and lots of herbs and seeds and cacti!



So does that mean virola resin or virola calyphilla can just be loaded and smoked? with dmt results?

Also - what about salvia divinorum? as far as consciousness expansion / exploration etc.?

[dmt head]

Of course forgot about salvia, its probably the most obvious. The calyphlla stuff is dmt and the virola resin has 5meo-dmt in it, think you can take the dmt one sublingually, but maybe you have to take an maoi to activate the dmt, I dont know much about it tbh, never tried it.

[pythaem]

Of course forgot about salvia, its probably the most obvious. The calyphlla stuff is dmt and the virola resin has 5meo-dmt in it, think you can take the dmt one sublingually, but maybe you have to take an maoi to activate the dmt, I dont know much about it tbh, never tried it.

Okay thanks, sublingually on caly... do you know how to take the virola resin one?

sorry about all the nooberific questions :( i don't know anyone who knows anything about this stuff

salvia works the same as cannabis right, as far as method?

i've done a lot of web searching on this, but i get mixed answers, as far as will salvia provide a comparable spiritual/consciousness experience? any specifics on how dmt and salvia are similar/different?

[dmt head]

Okay thanks, sublingually on caly... do you know how to take the virola resin one?

sorry about all the nooberific questions :( i don't know anyone who knows anything about this stuff

salvia works the same as cannabis right, as far as method?

i've done a lot of web searching on this, but i get mixed answers, as far as will salvia provide a comparable spiritual/consciousness experience? any specifics on how dmt and salvia are similar/different?

They are very similiar as in power but very different too lol Ive hardly had it working some strong experiences but not many, think im a salvia hardhead :(

The virola is sublingual, or you can snort it, neither worked for me though lol Though some folks it worked fine, not folks I know right enough lol You should smoek the salvia with a torch lighter and get as much in as possible with a bong, you should maybe buy a 10 or 20x and some plain salvia leaf and work with it!

[kedz]

Hi pythaem

just thought i'd add, for you to remember drinking ayahuasca and smoking dmt are two totally different experiences. Ayahuasca can be healing/teaching and guiding on many levels and requires a commitment due to physical stress and therefore a diet has to be adhered to and respected.

DMT is more of a ride where you are the observer, completely thrown into an unknown space and also, 5meodmt is very different to nndmt.
I do recommend the ayahuasca forum as a means forn info on aya,' i'll post it here for you..



(http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/)

I fully believe from direct experience that ayahuasca is the healing/teaching and guiding plant that we are now discovering.
I spent 6 weeks in peru taking aya' and doing a dieta. I had a trully beautiful, earth shattering, consciosness lifting experience that i feel will remain with me for the rest of my days.. i would love to go back one day. As far as drinking here at home, i'd like to still be under the watchfull eye of a shaman.. however i think the time will come when i will drink it here at home because to get to peru is too costly. sorry for rambling, my point is, first time drinking, i advise to drink with a shaman, basically... if you can.

anywayz, gOOd luck my friend, the ayahuasca/dmt space awaits your curiousity and being...

[kedz]

http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/


Ayahuasca forum

[kedz]

ah

just read your edit, that you're more interested in smoking dmt..
i recommend, after trying both nndmt over 5meodmt

journey well dude

[pythaem]

ah

just read your edit, that you're more interested in smoking dmt..
i recommend, after trying both nndmt over 5meodmt

journey well dude

Thanks very much for the advice and info kedz.

I will look into 5meodmt...is there anyway to obtain this without having to do the extraction process myself? Trying to avoid that if possible....

thanks again

[kedz]

the extraction process can be very tricky i believe but outside of this, i guess it's down to who you meet along the way and someone to point you in the right direction for a dmt vendor, if you know what i mean..?

it's hard to be honest, it's not the avergae house hold product..

[dmt head]

dmt's very easy to source, all the chemicals are easy to get a hold of and all you need after them is mimosa hostillis rootbark. If you register at www.dmt-nexus.com a supplier section will appear when you log in, id reccomend http://www.mimosahostilis.co.uk/ They get theirs from a vendor called pedro who ive had dealings with in the past, good quality and good prices. Rather than crying how hard it is and how you cant get things you should make an effort and you will find it is a very straightforward thing to do and get a hold of, you dont need to know anyone, just have acess to the internet! Only thing im thinking is you still live with your parents so thats why you cant do an extraction.

[dmt head]

Didnt mean to be personal but all you need is rubber gloves and goggles, it is an easy process, caustic soda is dangerous but i wouldnt say an extraction is that dangerous, just common sense and you should be fine.

[glacidtek]

I'v had a look at DMTnexus... loads of info, but slightly overwhealming....

I'm looking to extract DMT from mimosa - what is the easiest method for a novice?

_based on chemicals available easily in the UK?

hope someone can help - I am researching myself, but a nudge in the right direction would help!

[dmt head]

Folks say the stb teks are very straightforward, and can be done in a day, when swim learned he done marsofold tek, or something very similiar.