View Full Version : How can he write and publish all this ?
cyberdaemon
03-09-2007, 09:32 PM
I do not know if there is a thread about this , but let me ask it again if there is.If all that David talks about is true then how come he can produce a books and videos and run conferences , and yet nobody has not eliminated him ?
Many of us would presume that if someone would reveal any secrets , he will be then eliminated ? Or die in "accident" as we speak ;)
Im not trying to blame him.I just want to know how is this possible ?r w
Or covernments would think that if they kill him they would turn him into a martyr ? Or hes simply a servant in a bigger plan to replace the leadership of this world ? Like throwing off the first one , so other one can come in and "save" the situation ?
Didnt you know dave is on the payroll fella....:rolleyes:
xdnax
03-09-2007, 10:40 PM
we're talkin bout conspiracy stuff here.
david icke mysteriously dies and what do you get??? more fuel and assumed validity to the theories. keep him alive and its like "well....they havent killed him off....why??" then you get yet more conspiracy theories and so on and so on.....you can get a "conspiracy" from anything.
cleft_asunder
04-09-2007, 12:22 AM
I do not know if there is a thread about this , but let me ask it again if there is.If all that David talks about is true then how come he can produce a books and videos and run conferences , and yet nobody has not eliminated him ?
Many of us would presume that if someone would reveal any secrets , he will be then eliminated ? Or die in "accident" as we speak ;)
Im not trying to blame him.I just want to know how is this possible ?r w
Or covernments would think that if they kill him they would turn him into a martyr ? Or hes simply a servant in a bigger plan to replace the leadership of this world ? Like throwing off the first one , so other one can come in and "save" the situation ?
In the 90's Icke was ridiculed beyond belief when he went public with the Reptilian stuff and saying he was the son of God. (we are all sons of God, and God is all there is) The Illuminati --or Reptilians if you will-- are so mind driven and thus egoistic, that they didn't believe a single individual could be of any significant threat, especially one introducing such a new revelation as Reptilians--it would be too easy to make this guy curl up into a ball through ridicule, never to resurface on the TV again.
The experience empowered him however, and perhaps he's become too big to terminate. Maybe the Illuminati weren't paying attention. Icke claims that he doesn't allow assassination into his reality, and if you read his books, you will see beings of some form are guiding him and protecting him.
Or it could be that he is being used to spread disinfo. I went through a period of thinking this, but I don't believe it anymore. It adds up too well.
I do not know if there is a thread about this , but let me ask it again if there is.If all that David talks about is true then how come he can produce a books and videos and run conferences , and yet nobody has not eliminated him ?
Many of us would presume that if someone would reveal any secrets , he will be then eliminated ? Or die in "accident" as we speak ;)
Im not trying to blame him.I just want to know how is this possible ?r w
Or covernments would think that if they kill him they would turn him into a martyr ? Or hes simply a servant in a bigger plan to replace the leadership of this world ? Like throwing off the first one , so other one can come in and "save" the situation ?
first of all -- many other people are "exposing" this conspiracy, besides DI.
the reason why they are not being whacked out is simple -- in order for new system to come to being -- old system must die.
if you want to keep the control while system is being "upgraded" you will have to introduce (read expose) all parts of the old system that you want to change.
that is why no one is being whacked out...
and that reptilian stuff sure does not make DI sound like a credible conspiracy researchers in minds of many.
all that someone need to do is point out his reptilian theory
In the 90's Icke was ridiculed beyond belief when he went public with the Reptilian stuff and saying he was the son of God. (we are all sons of God, and God is all there is) The Illuminati --or Reptilians if you will-- are so mind driven and thus egoistic, that they didn't believe a single individual could be of any significant threat, especially one introducing such a new revelation as Reptilians--it would be too easy to make this guy curl up into a ball through ridicule, never to resurface on the TV again.
The experience empowered him however, and perhaps he's become too big to terminate. Maybe the Illuminati weren't paying attention. Icke claims that he doesn't allow assassination into his reality, and if you read his books, you will see beings of some form are guiding him and protecting him.
Or it could be that he is being used to spread disinfo. I went through a period of thinking this, but I don't believe it anymore. It adds up too well.
Actually, He just talked about it on National TV but I had read all of that stuff about the Annunaki, Reptillian hybrid races etc from other sources. I guess that is why I was able accept that he was not simply a nut case.
These stories abound in ancient culture.
Why not kill him? Well the assassination of his character served them well enough. Now that people are taking him seriously he is probably little more than a nuisance to them. Read mainstream forums. They still think David Icke is a fruit loop.
cleft_asunder
04-09-2007, 04:28 AM
first of all -- many other people are "exposing" this conspiracy, besides DI.
the reason why they are not being whacked out is simple -- in order for new system to come to being -- old system must die.
if you want to keep the control while system is being "upgraded" you will have to introduce (read expose) all parts of the old system that you want to change.
that is why no one is being whacked out...
and that reptilian stuff sure does not make DI sound like a credible conspiracy researchers in minds of many.
all that someone need to do is point out his reptilian theory
But David Icke and all of them are exposing the new systems, microchips, national data banks that will eventually be global, concentration camps, et cetera.
You exaggerate the Reptilian stuff. Many people read it and are like "wow, I can't believe he just said that," but they quickly set it aside or consider it, because the rest of the material was so interesting. If you recall, the Reptilian stuff tends to be at the end. These days people are very open to "strange" ideas.
cleft_asunder
04-09-2007, 04:52 AM
Actually, He just talked about it on National TV but I had read all of that stuff about the Annunaki, Reptillian hybrid races etc from other sources. I guess that is why I was able accept that he was not simply a nut case.
These stories abound in ancient culture.
Why not kill him? Well the assassination of his character served them well enough. Now that people are taking him seriously he is probably little more than a nuisance to them. Read mainstream forums. They still think David Icke is a fruit loop.
Yes, that's true, the irrelevant ones still think he's a fruitloop. The ones that can't think past the atmosphere of the earth. But I don't agree that he's not a threat. I think the Reptilian, demonic, and Matrix mind thing are the ultimate secrets they've successfully suppressed over thousands of years.
We can easily reach the conclusion that they can kill him without any suspicion of an assassination using advanced stroke-inducing weapons. But this is only a 5-sense conclusion that is lacking so many factors such as individual power. (i.e. if the individual doesn't allow the possibility into his reality because he doesn't fear it, then that makes an impact) This is a complex subject but you understand the foundation.
Another factor is protection from angles and such. In this movie called the multiverse, there is a constant battle between light and dark. It is likely and makes complete sense that Icke is being protected by the "good" side so that he can expose the "bad" Illuminati. It was revealed to Icke that this is what is happening.
Personally, the more I look into the Reptilians and the higher levels like the Matrix mind, the more it seems that the Illuminati want to be exposed, they want us to wake up and destroy them. The reason for that is simple: the Illuminati in all it's levels is an external representation of what's going on internally, collectively, in the human race. And absolutely, the universe is God expressing itself through form. So the ultimate point here is that there's really nothing to worry about in the grand sense, because the Illuminati can't have absolute power no matter how much they try. The Illuminati are on a leash and God decides how much slack to give them, for the purpose of creating a big drama called the multiverse.
john white
04-09-2007, 04:59 AM
It's an Icke forum thread classic!
It's an Icke forum thread classic!
:)
This question has been asked before, on more than one occasion, however we keep getting new members to whom it is a relevant question.
IMO the reasons given here are sound.
They initially dismissed him as a someone who would be seen as a nut case and not worth worrying about, BIG error in judgement :rolleyes:
He has definately got some higher power on his side. He has his mission!
It is not his reality and he does not give it energy.
kashmirz
04-09-2007, 05:33 AM
we're talkin bout conspiracy stuff here.
david icke mysteriously dies and what do you get??? more fuel and assumed validity to the theories. keep him alive and its like "well....they havent killed him off....why??" then you get yet more conspiracy theories and so on and so on.....you can get a "conspiracy" from anything.
This is why i hate the word and never use it, conspiracy is resonance for "thought" "thinking" "truth"
i dont use the word conspiracy because of the taboos it has had placed apon it.
amadeus
04-09-2007, 06:54 AM
I do not know if there is a thread about this , but let me ask it again if there is.If all that David talks about is true then how come he can produce a books and videos and run conferences , and yet nobody has not eliminated him ?
Quod erat demonstrandum!
The fact that people keep asking this, and doubting any researcher who hasn't been killed, proves that "their" plan is working.;)
But sure it's a valid question, it's good to ask questions.
megafish33
04-09-2007, 07:31 AM
I think his honesty is what takes him to higher and higher ground. That and he doesn't give a crap about what anyone else thinks. That and getting shot isn't in his schedule. Icke's a pretty cool dude.
h1s_l0rdsh1p
04-09-2007, 07:58 AM
I really do think it's his thoughts that are protecting him...
Make your own reality... Hmmm....
hagbard_celine
04-09-2007, 09:48 AM
we're talkin bout conspiracy stuff here.
david icke mysteriously dies and what do you get??? more fuel and assumed validity to the theories. keep him alive and its like "well....they havent killed him off....why??" then you get yet more conspiracy theories and so on and so on.....you can get a "conspiracy" from anything.
That's right. Look at how Bill Cooper has become more famous since he died. A suspicious death draws twice as much attention to what someone was saying than when they're alive. Ditto Dean Warwick
Also the Illuminati understand the spiritual aspect of existance. They know that, to quote Obi Wan Kenobi: "You cannot win because if you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can imagine." For them it's better to try and contain a rogue personality in its physical body than to set it free to fly around the ether at will. A dead person can do much more damage to the agenda than a live one.
They do sometimes take people out, but only when they're desperate; when their information being kept secret negates what I said above.
hagbard_celine
04-09-2007, 09:51 AM
Why not kill him? Well the assassination of his character served them well enough. Now that people are taking him seriously he is probably little more than a nuisance to them. Read mainstream forums. They still think David Icke is a fruit loop.
That's another motive for keeping someone alive: If they can find a way to demonize and ridicule that person and turn them into a figure of contempt then it buries their information deeper. Like branding someone "antee-Suh-mittick" or plastering lurid stories about their personal lives in tabloid newpapers.
lifeofbrian
04-09-2007, 01:45 PM
I do not know if there is a thread about this , but let me ask it again if there is.If all that David talks about is true then how come he can produce a books and videos and run conferences , and yet nobody has not eliminated him ?
Many of us would presume that if someone would reveal any secrets , he will be then eliminated ? Or die in "accident" as we speak ;)
Im not trying to blame him.I just want to know how is this possible ?r w
Or covernments would think that if they kill him they would turn him into a martyr ? Or hes simply a servant in a bigger plan to replace the leadership of this world ? Like throwing off the first one , so other one can come in and "save" the situation ?
If put in a wider perspective, genres and time, everything David Icke has brought up is already known and has been for eons. David Icke or no David Icke, this information is already out in the open and was long before he came along. He has popularized a lot of it and is reaching another market through his language and approach, but he is not in fact encouraging people to actually do something concrete about it.
"Think it out of existence." - I think TPTB can easily live with somebody saying that.
David Icke is not a threat to anybody.
But David Icke and all of them are exposing the new systems, microchips, national data banks that will eventually be global, concentration camps, et cetera.
that is more believable than reptilian stuff
You exaggerate the Reptilian stuff. Many people read it and are like "wow, I can't believe he just said that," but they quickly set it aside or consider it, because the rest of the material was so interesting. If you recall, the Reptilian stuff tends to be at the end. These days people are very open to "strange" ideas.
that is besides the point if it is true or not -- average Joe will look for a tiny excuse to protect his own belief system and reptilian stuff is a very large excuse for him, it allows him to discard all information presented by DI.
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so, average Joe will reassure himself that all is good and he will not have to worry about microchipping his sorry ass and his false religion because he can latch on "crazy reptilian stuff" that DI talks about
revolutionary_jam
04-09-2007, 07:13 PM
killing him would draw more attention to his work.
Anders Lindman
04-09-2007, 08:00 PM
Or hes simply a servant in a bigger plan to replace the leadership of this world ? Like throwing off the first one , so other one can come in and "save" the situation ?
I don't know about David Icke, but Ron Paul could have been promoted to replace the leadership in America. Politicians and big business managers must be awfully tired by now of having a gun pointed at their head all the time.
I don't know about David Icke, but Ron Paul could have been promoted to replace the leadership in America. Politicians and big business managers must be awfully tired by now of having a gun pointed at their head all the time.
Ye cover all bases in case of every eventuallity but the system is only energy and it can be used in any way so no matter what the reason it only takes one person in the right place at the right time .When i lived in a flat with a group of punks we used to say about lady di and fergie bringing the system down from within , once one domino topples :D
cleft_asunder
04-09-2007, 09:07 PM
that is more believable than reptilian stuff
that is besides the point if it is true or not -- average Joe will look for a tiny excuse to protect his own belief system and reptilian stuff is a very large excuse for him, it allows him to discard all information presented by DI.
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so, average Joe will reassure himself that all is good and he will not have to worry about microchipping his sorry ass and his false religion because he can latch on "crazy reptilian stuff" that DI talks about
Well I can see that you didn't make a genuine effort to understand a single point I made, proof being that your replies are inconsistent with what I wrote. Oh well, that's totally consistent with King.
cleft_asunder
04-09-2007, 09:16 PM
I don't know about David Icke, but Ron Paul could have been promoted to replace the leadership in America. Politicians and big business managers must be awfully tired by now of having a gun pointed at their head all the time.
Maybe Ron Paul is the anti-christ. Out of all seriousness, if the plan of the anti-christ isn't being destroyed prematurely by "God hacking into the system," then he will still manifest in human form and his disguise will fool everyone. Remember that he will bring peace to the world. Now who can influence the whole world like that? The president of the U.S., that's who.
Maybe Ron Paul is the anti-christ. Out of all seriousness, if the plan of the anti-christ isn't being destroyed prematurely by "God hacking into the system," then he will still manifest in human form and his disguise will fool everyone. Remember that he will bring peace to the world. Now who can influence the whole world like that? The president of the U.S., that's who.
Considering we weren't around to read the original prophecy concerning the anti christ and his bringing peace to the world etc (well not in this incarnation at least ) then could we assume that the ptb changed it to he will destroy the world thru peace in order to foster doubt over genuine cheese makers sorry peace makers and would be good leaders ? How can we be certain that what they say even though it is opposite isnt some sort of double bluff :D
abrilliantone
05-09-2007, 12:10 AM
that is besides the point if it is true or not -- average Joe will look for a tiny excuse to protect his own belief system and reptilian stuff is a very large excuse for him, it allows him to discard all information presented by DI.
so, average Joe will reassure himself that all is good and he will not have to worry about microchipping his sorry ass and his false religion because he can latch on "crazy reptilian stuff" that DI talks about.
That sums it up King ;) Brilliant answer Bud:)
Anders Lindman
05-09-2007, 12:24 AM
Maybe Ron Paul is the anti-christ.
http://www.indecision2008.com/images/shows/indecision2008/blog/PaulKing.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/j/k/cheney_satan.jpg
abrilliantone
05-09-2007, 12:37 AM
The thing we must not forget is that the elite are very smart people.(Lizards:eek:) You have to be to control everything. :D So everything they do has a method behind it. If it was in their best interests to eliminate Mr. Icke then they would have did so. If it's not then they would not do so. Besides they know like I know. They have the human mind so conditioned that the majority of the people on this planet is gonna look at all these "conspiracy theories" as nothing more then total garbage being peddled by a bunch of nut cases.:eek:
cleft_asunder
05-09-2007, 12:38 AM
that is besides the point if it is true or not -- average Joe will look for a tiny excuse to protect his own belief system and reptilian stuff is a very large excuse for him, it allows him to discard all information presented by DI.
so, average Joe will reassure himself that all is good and he will not have to worry about microchipping his sorry ass and his false religion because he can latch on "crazy reptilian stuff" that DI talks about.
That sums it up King ;) Brilliant answer Bud:)
Average Joe doesn't read Icke books.
If average Joe does get his hands on one, he won't make it past 50 pages.
Average Joe doesn't matter.
abrilliantone
05-09-2007, 02:06 AM
sorry cleft that was a quote from king
ho1ogram
05-09-2007, 04:26 AM
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I do not know if there is a thread about this , but let me ask it again if there is.If all that David talks about is true then how come he can produce a books and videos and run conferences , and yet nobody has not eliminated him ?
Many of us would presume that if someone would reveal any secrets , he will be then eliminated ? Or die in "accident" as we speak ;)
Im not trying to blame him.I just want to know how is this possible ?r w
Or covernments would think that if they kill him they would turn him into a martyr ? Or hes simply a servant in a bigger plan to replace the leadership of this world ? Like throwing off the first one , so other one can come in and "save" the situation ?
G'day cyberdaemon,
David Icke is an aspect of All That Is, as is everybody... All That Is is Infinite Love... at the subatomic level everything is the same energy, the forms and shapes we call people and things are masses of energy condensed into individual vibrations. It all comes from the same source, Infinite Love.
When one realises that All Is One, believes it, thinks it, says it and lives it then no harm can come to that person. As All Is One, why would David kill himself?
What you put out you get back. If you live in fear (which is to say if you haven't at this point in time remembered who you truly are- Infinite Love) then sickness and death and misfortune will manifest itself in and around you. We call forth experience with our thoughts, words and actions... live in Unconditional Love and you will experience Unconditional Love...
If David states his intentions with his thoughts, words, and actions that he is fearless in the knowledge that any would be assassin is an aspect of him... All Is One ...Why would he kill himself?
THANK YOU
cleft_asunder
05-09-2007, 05:22 AM
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G'day cyberdaemon,
David Icke is an aspect of All That Is, as is everybody... All That Is is Infinite Love... at the subatomic level everything is the same energy, the forms and shapes we call people and things are masses of energy condensed into individual vibrations. It all comes from the same source, Infinite Love.
When one realises that All Is One, believes it, thinks it, says it and lives it then no harm can come to that person. As All Is One, why would David kill himself?
What you put out you get back. If you live in fear (which is to say if you haven't at this point in time remembered who you truly are- Infinite Love) then sickness and death and misfortune will manifest itself in and around you. We call forth experience with our thoughts, words and actions... live in Unconditional Love and you will experience Unconditional Love...
If David states his intentions with his thoughts, words, and actions that he is fearless in the knowledge that any would be assassin is an aspect of him... All Is One ...Why would he kill himself?
THANK YOU
Excellent reply, although I will not agree that David has achieved enlightenment. He is definitely working on going past the Matrix, past the mind, and the proof of that is in his recent "house cleaning" newsletter in which he explains that he's getting rid of all the baggage surrounding him, which is a symptom of coming close to setting yourself free of Maya, the illusion.
This is a complex subject, but essentially there are 2 things. On one hand we have Enlightenment, which is a state in which you realize your true self, the infinite awareness past your thoughts. It is the ultimate reality which we all are. Although I have not experienced this state, I can say through much research that it seems you don't gain any special insight, you become ordinary and at peace, joy, and love with life. You don't, for example, become all-knowing. I know this for a fact because people like Eckhart Tolle, Osho, Adyashanti, who are all enlightened, don't know about the Illuminati and the grand conspiracy, because enlightenment has nothing to do with thought and information. Rather, it's as if you still operate as a human, but the light of consciousness flows through you. And rather than you living life, life lives you. Or I should say, God lives you. And you become very ordinary, not special, having surpassed the ego.
On the other side, we have things like shaping your reality, which is mind-based since belief creates reality to the point of how awake you are. We also have telepathy, astral travel, and other things on this side, but which are products of the Illusion and are completely different from Enlightenment.
ho1ogram
06-09-2007, 12:24 PM
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G'day Cleft,
I like what you said... and I like what Story Waters says here about the illusion:
Many wish to ascend from this physical plane in order to exist as pure spirit – escaping here to get there. There is no separate spiritual plane. It is here and now, within us. This challenges the way in which we have put spirituality, the spiritual plane, on a pedestal – as being different from both what and where we are. We are the spiritual, expressed in the physical. We are the spiritual plane expressed as the physical plane. There is no difference except a choice, an angle, of perception; that is the illusion.
Our biological perceptive system creates the illusion of physical matter and time. This world is the spiritual plane expressed through our space-time perception. Physicality does not create our problems; it is the powerful lens through which we are exploring ourselves. It is time to stop blaming our physicality, our choice of expression, as the cause of our suffering. Blaming is a denial of self-responsibility – a denial of our creatorship. It is blaming a mirror for what it reflects. Physicality only ever makes manifest what is already spiritually present.
The love, the peace, that has been projected onto existence in the spiritual plane, is available for you here and now. What you spiritually seek is not beyond this life. Ascension will not liberate you. That liberation is here and now, if you so choose it. This is seeing through the illusion of the veil. It is to see that there is no veil; there has never been any separation; the separation is the illusion. The divide of life and death does not separate you from anything. Death will not solve anything. Death will not free you. If you need death to free you then you are trapped, trapped in life. Life and death are not different. The physical plane and spiritual plane are not different. Death is an illusion. Life is an illusion. The beingness that you are both encompasses and creates this illusion.
You cannot escape the beingness that you are. There is no escape. This realization taps into the deepest fear, "I am eternally trapped in suffering”, but it is also the greatest gift, for within it is the realization that there is nothing you need to escape from. Contained in what you fear is the realization that there is nothing to fear. There is nothing you desire that can not be experienced here. You do not need to shed your body; it separates you from nothing. Being alive in physicality separates you from nothing. All life is here: as above so below.
Physical reality is not a cage. There is no separation to ascend across; release this duality; there is no boundary. The idea of ascension is the manifestation of separation from living your life fully in the here and now. Physicality is not separate from your spiritual being; physicality is the expression of your spiritual being. There is no separation in All That You Are. As long as the idea of ascension contains the energy of escape thenit will be manifest as the experience of confinement (feeling trapped); escape is the creator, not liberator, of all cages. See the paradox. Release the journey of ascension to ascend. In ascension you do not go anywhere. To ascend is to open your eyes and see that you are ascended.
We are spirit exploring itself within physical matter. Physical matter is nothing but an altered perception of our spiritual selves. The choice is yours as to whether you want to be separate from your complete spiritual self through the idea of a lack to be ascended, or whether you wish to release that, and unite your physical self with your spiritual self and unite the planes of existence within you. This is the realization that death is no escape; ascension is no escape; there is nothing to escape from. All ideas of escape are trying to escape what you are seeking. All that you have ever sought to escape has been your own reflection. The more you seek to not be here, the more here you are. Embrace the paradox. Here is spiritual. Here is now. Here is physical. Here is where everything happens. Wake up and enjoy it!
This article is an adapted short extract from the double CD audio recording 'The Lie of Ascension. Be Here! Releasing the Energy of Escape.' by Story Waters http://www.limitlessness.com/AscensionLie.cfm
:)
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