Light vs darkness

[hoovermat]

Somethings been bugging me for a long time. The question is about light vs darkness. Is Lucifer the "light bringer" or is god? I´ve heard people say seek the light but now I dunno... Until I get a satisfactory answear I prefer green and blue!!!:confused:

[hoovermat]

:D Heard something about them dancing together which balances stuff... Ic many have read about my question and maybe it´s tricky one but I'm greatful for speculations even!

[curtaincat]

perhaps light and darkness are like the opposite sides of a coin. you can't have one without the other. :)

at least i answered. wow, you have been registered since 2008, and only 8 posts? nice to see you talking now. :)

[hoovermat]

Thanx! I mostly read in here but I'm gonna try to speak some more :o

[nectars]

Somethings been bugging me for a long time. The question is about light vs darkness. Is Lucifer the "light bringer" or is god? I´ve heard people say seek the light but now I dunno... Until I get a satisfactory answear I prefer green and blue!!!:confused:

God is beyond Lucifer; and Lucifer within God.

The Gnostics(if I recall correctly) believed Lucifer to be the Chritian god(not the true God or Living Father) who was cast out of heaven for challenging God by demanding that all "beings" or "entities" should experience the Heavens that the Archangels experienced. When cast out or Fallen he then created the physical universe and is hence hailed the "bringer of light"(or in other words, "creator of matter").

Not read up on it in a while now, so perhaps someone else can clarify or expand on this.

[antihypnosis]

The Source

by

Amitakh Stanford

4th January 2004


Welcome to the Source. Some of the discussions in the Source will sound wilder than science fiction. But, then, truth is said to be stranger than fiction.

Many are charmed by the expression of Light — not seeing the Source of the Light. The Light is NOT the Source.

The [Divine] Source is often mentioned, but one must ask, "What is the Source?" It has been called by many names, such as: The Unmanifest, The Fount, All That Is, The One, The Great Mystery, Wakan Tanka, The Great Mind, The Great Spirit, The Logos, The Formless One, The Infinite, The Timeless One, etc.

The Source is the original "Home" of the Light. From the Source, or The Unmanifest, grows the Root of Creation. Continuing with the analogy of a plant, (realizing that this is necessarily a simplified explanation of something that physical minds have a great deal of difficulty in comprehending), consider that the trunk of Creation brings forth a single branch — the Branch of Light.

From the Branch of Light appeared a shoot — the Shoot of Darkness. I have occasionally referred to the Shoot of Darkness as the Evil Creation, the Evil Mind, the Evil Principle, Darkness or Evil. For purposes of this discussion, these terms are interchangeable.

The Shoot of Darkness was not created by Evil. It is in fact a shoot from the Divine Creation that went awry. If the Shoot of Darkness were severed from the Tree of Creation, it would wither and fade upon severance from the Source.

If the Branch of Light were severed from the Source, it also would wither and die. Creation is the Expression of the Source and the Expression cannot exist without nourishment from the Source.

The Branch of Light eventually became intertwined with the Shoot of Darkness as the shoot clung to the branch for sustenance and support. Due to this mingling, it is difficult to discern if a being belongs to the Branch of Light or the Shoot of Darkness. All beings need to be traced to the Root or Trunk of Creation to discover where they stem from.

The closer to the Trunk, the easier it is to discern, but as the Branch and Shoot grow and express further, the interweaving of Light and Darkness makes it harder and harder to identify individual beings.

Evil stemmed from a celestial experimental error that would not correct itself, nor take Divine Correction, but instead thrived on the Corrective Energy all the while resisting and defying Divine Correction. Evil saw the Creation (The Expression) as the Ultimate and forgot that without the Source there would be no Expression.

Darkness created the illusion that it is the Source. This illusion is so real that Darkness itself is deluded and thinks that It (Darkness) is the Source. Evil chose the glitter over the substance. The glitter attracts the majority of beings. Many of the Light beings also erroneously perceive the Expression of Light as the Ultimate.

It is not the Source, but the Expression that is corrupted. The Source, the Unmanifest, is all there is of permanence and it remains uncorrupted. Nothing is self sustaining that is manifested from the Source. Only the Source is eternal and perpetual. Thus, the statement that the Light is self-sustaining is clearly a simplification that needs further explanation at this time. A simple explanation is that the Light of Creation has been deemed Good by the Unmanifest, and so long as the Light tends towards Purity, it is self-sustaining because by striving towards Purity it automatically connects Itself to the Source.

The Unmanifest will always be as it is — the Unmanifest. It is not personalized in the way humans comprehend and perceive it to be. People are unaware of the existence of the two Lights that are present in this False Creation. The two Lights I am referring to should not be confused with the concept of the greater and lesser lights of the Masonic teachings. For purposes of clarification, I shall refer to the two Lights as the True Light and the False Light.

However, the Light can be contaminated by Darkness if Darkness invades Light. Hence, if Darkness is not checked, the Light could be swamped and weakened by Darkness and become contaminated by It. The Light referred to and experienced by the majority of people in this world and in the astral is often not the True Light — it is actually the False Light from the Shoot of Darkness. Few people suspect that the Light they see and experience is in fact not the True Light of the Branch of Light. This explains why beings of Light as well as beings of Darkness often claim that they are of the Light and have been in the Light during near-death experiences and at other times even though the Light they experienced is the False Light. The Light experienced by many people during near-death experiences is the False Light.

The present Dalai Lama has cautioned his followers that existence may not be infinite. Further, the Catholic Bible in Psalm 23 expresses a similar thought in its final verse: "I will dwell in the house of the LORD for years to come." This concept is correct — when True Light is withdrawn from the False Light at the time when the True-Light beings are withdrawn from this Evil Creation (Shoot of Darkness). In other words, Darkness is beginning to suspect that when the Light supplied by the True-Light beings is withdrawn due to their liberation from Darkness, the False Light will be extinguished. Hence the existence of the False-Light beings (beings of Darkness) is not infinite.

Creation is an ongoing process. It is only in the Dark Shoot of Creation that "time" exists. True Creation is Timeless.

Beings of Light will naturally be attracted to the True Light unless they are severely contaminated by Darkness. Beings from the Shoot of Darkness are naturally attracted to the False Light created by the Shoot of Darkness and will naturally be repulsed and threatened by the True Light. Further, True-Light beings can still be attracted to the False Light due to programming, illusions and pollution.

Although True-Light beings can be attracted to the False Light, they are not ultimately repulsed or threatened by True Light even though they might initially be a bit insecure towards It due to pollution and programming from Darkness. True-Light beings are in fact nurtured, strengthened and sustained by the True Light.

Beings of Darkness are attracted to the False Light and are nurtured by It while beings of Light, even they are being programmed to respond or be attracted to the False Light, are not nurtured by the False Light. Instead, they are being exploited by the False Light and become pockets of energy that nurture Darkness.

Beings of Darkness are not comfortable in the presence of True Light. They feel a sense of gloom and doom. They can never recognize nor accept the True Light and Its "Messengers". They can never truly feel at home nor can they truly be committed to the Work sponsored by the True Light. Such ones will always feel that they are still searching for their way home, even if they encounter True Light and Its Messengers. This is true since their real home goes back to the Shoot of Darkness and not to the Branch of Light or the Source.

On the other hand, beings of Light can never totally feel committed or comfortable with the False Light. The True-Light beings who are nourished by the True Light grow in Purity, while the False-Light beings who are nurtured by the False Light grow more and more evil. However, beings for either side will ultimately know which side they belong to.

The True Light carries an inner sound, an inner "vibration", a blueprint which the False Light cannot reproduce even though the False Light can imitate the appearance of the True Light. This is where the awakened beings of Light will be able to discriminate the True-Light beings from the False-Light beings AFTER the final stages of the separation of Light from Darkness commence. There is the Pulse, the inner Sound, the inner Vibration that individual beings of True Light can inwardly access to recognize the True Light.

The separation of the True Light and False Light is now in progress. This is manifesting on many levels and the operation is extremely complex and delicate. The entire Tree of Creation (the Expression) appears to be far gone, but some of It can still be retrieved. Therefore, the Tree can be saved with some delicate pruning. It is better to lose the offending part than to lose the entire Tree.

As beings of the True Light become more and more detached from the beings of the False Light, they become more and more unified with the True Light. When this occurs they begin to notice the differences between themselves and the beings of Darkness (This will occur more on the subtle level and in their spiritual expression rather than in their physical appearance).

As beings of Light become more and more in tune with the True Light, they will become more and more vibrant, shining sparks of the True Light. Beings of Light and beings of Darkness will then become more and more intolerant and uncomfortable with one another. While this separation of the two Lights is in progress, True-Light beings and False-Light beings will both be undertaking their respective "metamorphoses".

The Miniature Galaxy that has been discussed in the past is a "Half-Way House" for the viables when they are evacuated from this Evil Creation. True-Light beings who have been contaminated by Darkness will reside there until all the necessary "metamorphoses" is completed so that they can safely be re-assimilated into the Branch of Light. Thus, once again, they will be re-united with the Source and become an integral part of the True Creation.

It is then that True-Light beings will exist in the love, purity, timelessness, harmony, joy and beauty of the True Creation. Even the being known as "Time" will have been liberated from Darkness.

_________________

Check those too, if it interests you:
http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/war_of_essences.htm
http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/evil.html
http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/light_beyond_light.html

They contain the same dualistic themes, there are many more but those are the ones I remember now.

[metacomet]

Yes there is a difference between spiritual light and physical light.

We are told in this reality that light particles are the fastest objects in the universe. This isn't really true. Light is of an extremely high vibration to us but in other dimensions above us there are other kinds of light which vibrate at much higher frequencies and that light moves alot faster then our light.

This goes on and on. Every dimension above and below has different rates of illumination.

Lucifer is called the light-bringer because he exposed our consciousness to the 'light' of this physical dimension - and we 'bought into' it and accepted physical reality (which is represented as eating the forbidden fruit in the bible). Therefore our consciousness has been trapped by false-reality and false-light, and we walk around in this reality not realizing that what we call 'light' is actually of a very low vibration compared to 'heaven's or other dimensions.

Make sense?

[antihypnosis]

Yes there is a difference between spiritual light and physical light.

We are told in this reality that light particles are the fastest objects in the universe. This isn't really true. Light is of an extremely high vibration to us but in other dimensions above us there are other kinds of light which vibrate at much higher frequencies and that light moves alot faster then our light.

This goes on and on. Every dimension above and below has different rates of illumination.

Lucifer is called the light-bringer because he exposed our consciousness to the 'light' of this physical dimension - and we 'bought into' it and accepted physical reality (which is represented as eating the forbidden fruit in the bible). Therefore our consciousness has been trapped by false-reality and false-light, and we walk around in this reality not realizing that what we call 'light' is actually of a very low vibration compared to 'heaven's or other dimensions.

Make sense?

Totally! ;)

[merlincove]

both Christ and Lucifer were also accredited the name 'morning star.'

[thedefender]

May the Morning Star which never sets
find this flame still burning:
Christ, that Morning Star,
who came back from the dead,
and shed his peaceful light on all mankind,
your Son, who lives and reigns for ever and ever.

Revelation 22:16 (King James Version)

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.


Now to CORRECTLY quote Albert Pike....All to often this quote is misinterpreted and taken out of context. READ IT!

"The Apocalypse is, to those who recieve the ninteenth degreem, the Apotheosis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. Lucifer, the Light-Bearer!Strange and mysterious name to give the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the lightand with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls! Doubt it not! for traditions are full of Divine Revelations and Inspirations: and Inspiration is not of one age nor of one Creed."

-Morals and Dogma p.321

[hoovermat]

Thanks for all the answears!
It´s all very interesting but I believe I have to read it all again tomorrow, english is not my first language u c... ;)

[fishonwheels]

Wow!

Thanks for the Source Antihypnosis.

It's all very abstract and difficult to grasp for me just now but fascinating. Will have to check out those links.

Do you yourself subscribe to this dualistic view? Could you share some of your thoughts on that??

I myself am a little afraid of what people do with dualistic concepts, such as calling themselves light others dark with holy wars crusades and all. Then of course, just cuz something can be misused doesn't mean it's untrue.

Is it saying that each one of ｕｓ　ｗａｓ　ｃｒｅａｔｅｄ　ｅｉｔｈｅｒ　ｌｉｇｈｔ　ｏｒ　ｄａｒｋ？Somethin g in our original nature set for eternity?

Is it saying that after the seperation between light and dark tha dark shoots will be pruned and run out of energy and disappear while the light continues indefinitely?

Omg if this is true there are huge implications for our daily lives aren't there?

insights? opinions? anything to suggest for a beginner to these writings?

[deathcultreject]

Somethings been bugging me for a long time. The question is about light vs darkness. Is Lucifer the "light bringer" or is god? I´ve heard people say seek the light but now I dunno... Until I get a satisfactory answear I prefer green and blue!!!:confused:

Light means a large amount of electromagnetic waves in a certain waveband, dark means a small amount.

Dark can mean wholesome whilst light means hypocritical, or light can mean virtuous whilst dark means secretive on account of being disgusting.

there are quite a lot of meanings, really.

[hoovermat]

Merlincove wrote: both Christ and Lucifer were also accredited the name 'morning star.'
Now that's confusing to me!
Realized I put a strange question out there but the answears... too much for my mind I guess... But hey, keep them insights u have coming plz, my mind needs a meltdown now and then

[sativa]

how can light be defined without darkness?
:cool:

[lyghtkynge]

Light is Dark; Dark is Light.

When you figure out this cosmic riddle, you'll have it right.

Not a joke...humanity has yet to figure it out in their aeons;
those who have, cannot tell others: each must learn it themselves.
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[fishonwheels]

ｆｏｒｇｉｖｅ　ｍｅ　ｆｏｒ　ｂｅｉｎｇ　ｄｅｎｓｅ。。。。。ｂｕｔ。。。。。。ｗｈａｔ　ｄｏｅｓ　 ｉｔ　ｍｅａｎ　ｔｏ　ｂｅ　＂ｌｉｇｈｔ＂　ｏｒ　＂ｄａｒｋ？＂

[fishonwheels]

light means a large amount of electromagnetic waves in a certain waveband, dark means a small amount.

Dark can mean wholesome whilst light means hypocritical, or light can mean virtuous whilst dark means secretive on account of being disgusting.

There are quite a lot of meanings, really.

ｄｅａｔｈｃｕｌｔｒｅｊｅｃｔ　ｗｈｅｒｅ　ｄｉｄ　ｙｏｕ　ｇｅｔ　ｔｈａｔ　ｑｕｏｔｅ　ａｂｏｕｔ 　ｍａｔｒｉｃｅｓ　ａｔ　ｔｈｅ　ｅｎｄ　ｏｆ　ｙｏｕｒ　ｐｏｓｔ？　Ｗｈｙ　ｄｏ　ｙｏｕ　ｈａｖｅ 　ｉｔ？

[nectars]

May the Morning Star which never sets
find this flame still burning:
Christ, that Morning Star,
who came back from the dead,
and shed his peaceful light on all mankind,
your Son, who lives and reigns for ever and ever.

Revelation 22:16 (King James Version)

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.


Now to CORRECTLY quote Albert Pike....All to often this quote is misinterpreted and taken out of context. READ IT!

"The Apocalypse is, to those who recieve the ninteenth degreem, the Apotheosis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. Lucifer, the Light-Bearer!Strange and mysterious name to give the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the lightand with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls! Doubt it not! for traditions are full of Divine Revelations and Inspirations: and Inspiration is not of one age nor of one Creed."

-Morals and Dogma p.321

Speaking of which, I may be wrong here and dont want to get into the religious thing, but from what I recall Lucifer (the Light-Bearer) is not mentioned even once in the bible. For that matter neither is Satan(actually pronounced 'Sat - an', the dark inner self, false guide or Ego-self of Kabbalah, not the "Devil" of Christianity). From this we each have our own Sat-an(reactionary self or ego) that must be overcome.

Anyway, bit random but hey :D

[haukipesukone]

Light is evil and darkness is not.

[nectars]

Speaking of which, I may be wrong here and dont want to get into the religious thing, but from what I recall Lucifer (the Light-Bearer) is not mentioned even once in the bible. For that matter neither is Satan(actually pronounced 'Sat - an', the dark inner self, false guide or Ego-self of Kabbalah, not the "Devil" of Christianity). From this we each have our own Sat-an(reactionary self or ego) that must be overcome.

Anyway, bit random but hey :D

No idea what prompted that though its slightly wrong -its been a while, so I must have gotten it backwards. Both Sat-an and Lucifer were mentioned in the bible though not the Devil. The above reference to them as Shadow-self, ego-self etc, that dark reactionary part of man seems correct though. The are the temptation of man, and yet in that they are also from "God" as the provide the testing ground; the contrast.

[hoovermat]

haukipesukone said:
"Light is evil and darkness is not. "
__________________

such a strange thing to say, come on tell me why you believe in that?

[walley]

Light and dark as opposed and equal opposites is probably the same side of one coin. But then... consider love, or truth, and think of them like light and darkness in the literal sense, where darkness is merely the absence of light, rather than an equal opposite, or something upon which light depends.

So in this case... good and evil of the conceptual kind could be considered to both arise only in the absence of truth.

Note that this isn't something I know, it's just something that makes sense to me and fits with what those who seem to be in the know say. But until I myself am 'in the know' on the matter it's only of so much value, perhaps only as a different perspective to prompt different lines of thought.

[fishonwheels]

sigh.............

if there's absolute light then absolute darkness, neither represents the absolute absolute behind it all. Why can't there just be one absolute absolutea absolute behind everything to make it less confusing? Why God, why?

Need the metaphysical linguistic equivalent of the metric system. Even then there'll be those stubborn Americans with their miles, quarts, and fahrenheit. Sometimes, I think one world order isn't such a bad idea hoping it'll lessen confusion.

...............

[fishonwheels]

Light and dark as opposed and equal opposites is probably the same side of one coin. But then... consider love, or truth, and think of them like light and darkness in the literal sense, where darkness is merely the absence of light, rather than an equal opposite, or something upon which light depends.

So in this case... good and evil of the conceptual kind could be considered to both arise only in the absence of truth.

Note that this isn't something I know, it's just something that makes sense to me and fits with what those who seem to be in the know say. But until I myself am 'in the know' on the matter it's only of so much value, perhaps only as a different perspective to prompt different lines of thought.

Suppose if light and darkeness are at war, and the first thing that gets sacrificed in war is truth, then.........

damn

does light ever deceive?

[godgoo]

Somethings been bugging me for a long time. The question is about light vs darkness. Is Lucifer the "light bringer" or is god? I´ve heard people say seek the light but now I dunno... Until I get a satisfactory answear I prefer green and blue!!!:confused:

God the creator is both light and darkness, light is pure darkness. But the teachings of jesus are because of this fact. man is dammed he is born into pure darkness. Mankind is sin out right. Jesus is a virus in an evil system. We can choose and shape destiny. We can shape macro destiny. we don't have to live as nature intended, we take from the tree of knowledge and prevent toothache.

light sheds colour, and we can't even experience that without being evil. We can't enjoy ourselves remember that?

[fishonwheels]

oh ya just saw that original post by Hoovermat......

I think it goes like this, from what I heard, Lucifer was the light because he was the brightest but he fell into darkness. He kept his name though cuz now everyone knows him by that. Then came all these cult like secret societies and some of them worshipped Lucifer. Whatever we think is "good" we call "light," and thus Luciferians call their ways "the light" cuz they believe they are the good. Then came all these rebellious Satan worshipping teenagers who want to be bad so they say they're "dark," though techinically they worship the same force the "good guys" worship.

Thus the confusion.

[danster82]

It depends on your definition of light and dark if by darkness you mean that which is evil or separate from God then Consider this.

God is all there is, which is where the terms oneness and infinity come from, simply meaning its all there is, its not separated from anything its not contained in anything its not opposed to or "vs" anything if you believed God is separate or locked in a dualistic battle with the devil or light with darkness then it cannot truly be God can it? because it would no longer be supreme because God cannot be contained in anything .If it was then the container of God would be greater than God meaning that container of God would have to be the true God.

Therefore if you exist in God and its all there is then how do you separate yourself from God? The answer is you cannot because there is no "place" you could be that was separate from God, but what you could do is "pretend" that you are separate from God and this is the beginning of evil or darkness but this evil or darkness is not real its just a projection of your perception where you have come to believe you are separate from God.

[fishonwheels]

It depends on your definition of light and dark if by darkness you mean that which is evil or separate from God then Consider this.

God is all there is, which is where the terms oneness and infinity come from, simply meaning its all there is, its not separated from anything its not contained in anything its not opposed to or "vs" anything if you believed God is separate or locked in a dualistic battle with the devil or light with darkness then it cannot truly be God can it? because it would no longer be supreme because God cannot be contained in anything .If it was then the container of God would be greater than God meaning that container of God would have to be the true God.

Therefore if you exist in God and its all there is then how do you separate yourself from God? The answer is you cannot because there is no "place" you could be that was separate from God, but what you could do is "pretend" that you are separate from God and this is the beginning of evil or darkness but this evil or darkness is not real its just a projection of your perception where you have come to believe you are separate from God.

Right. So the debate rages on. Is there one force in the end and everything there is falls somewhere along the pan-ultimate cosmic light spectrum, or are there two opposing forces?

One of the posters on this thread sent me the xeeatwelve site and I've gone through about half of what she wrote. This Dr. Amitakh Stanford holds the view that there's Good and there's Evil and everything in the known universe and beyond was created by the Evil Creator who turned away from the Good one and the only way for Evil to sustain its creation is by trapping light beings and stealing their energy, and because this Evil Mind is so deceptive many light beings don't know they're no where near their true home. The True creator has been trying to rescue these light beings since ever and once they're all rescued the dark world will crumble and annihilate.

If you go through her articles you'll find many pieces that seem to form pictures with what other alternative theorists have been saying forever. For eg she says the Annunaki control the planet by controlling humans and that there are two factions fighting to be top dog and that human national alliances and conflicts reflect the Annunaki ones. One interesting theory she advances is that the Grey Aliens need flouride in their water to stay healthy that's why many places have flouridated water.

However other things she says seem very contrived and far fetched it's as if she's attempting to fill in all the holes with a unifying theory of everything. Perhaps someone else can say a thing or two about that.