what the Bleep do we know?(Vid)

[lydia78]

Anyone else seen this film 'what the bleep do we know' about quantum physics/spiritual parallel perspective of life?

Quite a good little film..:)

Part 1
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FpCSk7WC4GI

has 10 parts to it if you wanna check it out

[thirdwave]

yeah it is good, brings up allot of interesting stuff.... worth checking out... I like the stuff on how become addicted to emotions... and this is explained physically and works the same way as how we would be addicted to any drug.... makes perfect sense to me....

[thirdwave]

Oh yeah.... is that link been put up by the makers?, as if its not Ok'ed by them then it may need to be removed as we cant post copyrights here Im afraid ...

[lydia78]

yeah it is good, brings up allot of interesting stuff.... worth checking out... I like the stuff on how become addicted to emotions... and this is explained physically and works the same way as how we would be addicted to any drug.... makes perfect sense to me....

yeah...their depiction kinda tripped me out after smoking too much weed....got me a load of rastas partying in my brain man!!:D:D

[lydia78]

Oh yeah.... is that link been put up by the makers?, as if its not Ok'ed by them then it may need to be removed as we cant post copyrights here Im afraid ...

really? Have no idea mate....think it was put up by them..
:confused:

[Anders Lindman]

The best part is the info supplied by Candace Pert. Here is an awesome book:

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[cf24]

I liked the vid, but not so fussed on the bit in between the speaking. I particularly liked Joe Dispenza's contribution. I have a half hour vid with him talking about related stuff if anyone wants it, pm me and I can upload it...

[lookfar]

I enjoyed this too, it was quite refreshing to watch :) Highly recommend it.

[thirdwave]

really? Have no idea mate....think it was put up by them..
:confused:

i think your right, all good :)

[freespark]

yeah it is good, brings up allot of interesting stuff.... worth checking out... I like the stuff on how become addicted to emotions... and this is explained physically and works the same way as how we would be addicted to any drug.... makes perfect sense to me....

Ya spot on there. Great film. I like it when the doctor explains how he creates his day. I've tried that and it works quite well. He says if you keep doing it the brain makes 'connections' like a program of sorts and keeps you positive and the thought that it works makes it more powerfull and gives you more confidence to carry on doing it.

I've been working on trying to create my reality and this movie helped alot. I just need to figure out what i really want and to be more specific.

Onward and upward!! ;)

[thirdwave]

Ya spot on there. Great film. I like it when the doctor explains how he creates his day. I've tried that and it works quite well. He says if you keep doing it the brain makes 'connections' like a program of sorts and keeps you positive and the thought that it works makes it more powerfull and gives you more confidence to carry on doing it.

I've been working on trying to create my reality and this movie helped alot. I just need to figure out what i really want and to be more specific.

Onward and upward!! ;)

I think as people get older they get so addicted to emotions...most of them are negative from the experiences you have had.... for some reason we feel safer with negative emotions than possessive.... it only takes 1 bad thing to happen to effect us so much more than 1 good thing.... i think we need both... sometimes we need to feel down so we can feel good, but its a case of not getting addicted to either side....

[hagbard_celine]

It's probably my favorite movie actually. I found it very inspiring and uplifting.

It's worth getting the special extended edition DVD set. It contains two extra long cuts of the film and two disks of documentaries.

[2013]

i actually bought that one lol it is that good and took it tomy meditation group for them to watch :D

[edit]

http://www.alien-earth.org/news/images/whoopi.jpg

[xdnax]

i hadnt heard of it at all and just came across it on play.com.....its amaaaazing!!!!!! i absolutely love it! watched it at 3am 1st time i seen it, and it woke me up big time1 :)

i still aint watched the 2nd disk...mite check it out later

[megafish33]

The best part is the info supplied by Candace Pert. Here is an awesome book:

http://www.amazon.com/Molecules-Emotion-Science-Mind-Body-Medicine/dp/0684846349/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-8889268-9380863?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188811882&sr=8-1

I agree; I enjoyed that book.

[baron von lotsov]

It just shows how much you people listen on this forum. Like lambs to the slaughter, you really have no idea when you are being conned. I'm not repeating myself again. If you want to seek true enlightenment I'd suggest you use your brain and the search facility on this forum.

[whitenight639]

It just shows how much you people listen on this forum. Like lambs to the slaughter, you really have no idea when you are being conned. I'm not repeating myself again. If you want to seek true enlightenment I'd suggest you use your brain and the search facility on this forum.

why do you say this barron? i didnt agree with the whole water looking pretty thing but there is some weight to the quantum physics bits.

[baron von lotsov]

why do you say this barron? i didnt agree with the whole water looking pretty thing but there is some weight to the quantum physics bits.


It's utter shit and I did actually study quantum physics so I know what I'm talking about.

[seanx]

Baron wrote:
It's utter shit and I did actually study quantum physics so I know what I'm talking about.

Translation: It blows to pieces the Baron's christian brainwashing
program and so obviously it must be shit. Like all people with a
belief system to protect- they hate new ideas.

[seanx]

I did actually study quantum physics so I know what I'm talking about.

Really? What university? What degree? Professorship level - like the contributers in the film?

[baron von lotsov]

There are many courses on the net that teach you about quantum physics. Here is one I found. Enjoy!

http://www.lsr.ph.ic.ac.uk/~plenio/lecture.pdf

[seanx]

Reality is what you expect it to be at the core of
your being.

if you believe the future is fixed - then it will be FOR YOU.

if you believe the future is hopeless - you're absolutely right-
it will be FOR YOU.

If you believe there is nothing beyond this world- you're
absolutely right- there will be a no-thingness FOR YOU.

If you believe ( i.e your deepest expectation) that
quantum physics is fixed and mechanical - then that's how
it will appear TO YOU.

The rest of us though will be living in and enjoying another
equally valid more expansive reality....where the subtlest energy
pf the universe responds to our deepest feelings.

There are as many equally valid realities are there are
beliefs

So when a scientists tells you about quantum physics - he is in truth
revealing his own core, unconscious beliefs about how he sees
the universe. Nothing more.

[yvonne]

I absolutely loved it!

Here's a few fun links.

Part 1.... http://quantumiscool1.ytmnd.com/

Part 2.... http://quantamiscool2.ytmnd.com/

Part 3.... http://yqpic3.ytmnd.com/

Part 4.... http://wqpic4.ytmnd.com/

[lydia78]

Really? What university? What degree? Professorship level - like the contributers in the film?

Hey seanx haven't seen you about for a while..good to see you again!!:)
The thing is and the reason I posted the video
is due the to the scientific explanation of the spiritual concepts
...science /spiritual bridge if you like
the parallels are there, energy can be interpreted on so many levels
the mechanisms and the meaning...
I enjoyed the film, and for kids has great visuals.
all in all a great film to watch and take what is true for you.

Baron, I like your views though not always agree with them
i understand your frustration of charlitans and the 'new age conspiracy'
we talked alot about this in glasto together..and you're partly right
the new age movement is a load of bunkum,
with instant gratification as the hook for many
but here many have worked tirelessly for years on their own spiritual path and growth.

You must consider/remember that not everyone
involved in the 'occult' is out to destroy the world or humanity
the opposite is in fact the truth.
empowerment and self-healing is needed for many after the years
of being conditioned into thinking/believing in a pile of shit
that is the opposite of our true nature.
Thing is it's not just the 'bad guys' who have this information..
the 'good guys' are well and truely involoved in this work too
there's an old saying 'never let them see you coming'
and by god that's true for us and 'them'..
sometimes we have to put trust into our fellow brothers and sisters
to discern for themselves or we rob them of their own experience
in finding the truth.

[e7304]

yes not a bad movie. Obviously aimed at people who would not normally think of the mind and the implications of quantum physics in this way. I would have preffered a more straight out iterviews but.....The bit about the water crystals can be followed up by looking at Emoto's work. Just reminded me of Jacques Benveniste's work with water and also parts of Lynne McTaggert's book the field.

Far more beneficial than watching a Richard Dawkins rant on the "truth" of neo darwinism...probably more factual as well;)

[amercury]

Pretty good movie, the drama with Marlee Matlin is kind of torturous, but the parts with Candace Pert, Fred Alan Wolf, Joe Dispenza, JZ Night/Ramtha and others is good.

The movie prompted me to read ""Molecules of Emotion", and "Ramtha The White Book". Both very interesting. I'd like to find out more of what Dispenza has to say, I think his concept of creating his day is awesome.

What do you guys think of Ramtha? I know there is alot of controversy surrounding JZ Knight.

[thetonic]

This is very entertaining movie, but there are some shortfalls(drama)... I think the best part is how they explain the idea of the ultimate observer.; Thats life in a nutshell..

[2013]

"New age" is such an irritating phrase used to lump anything that people dont agree with .You have to remember 2 ,000 years ago jesus and his mates where new agers , it refers to the astrological age changing and not
a gift shop opportunity.So really from that point of view we are all new agers .What gets me are those whatsit age traveller types going round the country in coaches gangs of them coloured hair the amount of drugs they take their so noisy , old age travellers thats them lol . The times they are a changing :D

[punjabibeard]

one of the finest comedies ever made :cool:

[razed1]

this movie along with the secret

have some lil truth in it wrapped in alot of dis-info

it gives a false sense , me , me , me , narcissistic view on how things really work

i would suggest ppl do a lot more research before taking the stuff from these movies as new -age cannon

[thoth]

this movie along with the secret

have some lil truth in it wrapped in alot of dis-info

it gives a false sense , me , me , me , narcissistic view on how things really work

i would suggest ppl do a lot more research before taking the stuff from these movies as new -age cannon

You are a funny character. Whats the disinfo part, I am dying to know.

[razed1]

hahs your and even funnier character


btw, it wasn't jay-z who said that line, it was prodigy

[infinitely free]

Anyone else seen this film 'what the bleep do we know' about quantum physics/spiritual parallel perspective of life?

Quite a good little film..:)

Part 1
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FpCSk7WC4GI

has 10 parts to it if you wanna check it out

Yep seen it
Amazing what we are really deprived of, in terms of info :mad:

[thoth]

hahs your and even funnier character


btw, it wasn't jay-z who said that line, it was prodigy

Aww, real cute, I bet you get many a hard on with comebacks like that. Was that supposed to make me feel a certain way? Im still waiting on the disinfo part, that is what we are talking about right? Who wrote the song by the way smartass?

[whitenight639]

easy....

[razed1]

if you can READ ive already explained it in my original

and you were really serious about wanting to know, you wouldnt have come at with this il "your funny character" angle

so wtf do i care if you get what im sayin or not, look at the audacity of your comments


fukk outta here

[thoth]

if you can READ ive already explained it in my original

and you were really serious about wanting to know, you wouldnt have come at with this il "your funny character" angle

so wtf do i care if you get what im sayin or not, look at the audacity of your comments


fukk outta here

You cannot be talking about the little bullshit comments I quoted you on, if so this converstation is over you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. YOU get the fuck outta here. Funny as I thought..Have a nice one! :rolleyes:

[razed1]

you only get what you put out

you want ppl to respond respectfully you gotta show respect

dont be mad doggie, just cause you dont get it

tough luck bitch

[thoth]

you only get what you put out

you want ppl to respond respectfully you gotta show respect

dont be mad doggie, just cause you dont get it

tough luck bitch

LOL:D Let me show you how much I care about you and this conversation...

[razed1]

your too cool for school

[whitenight639]

you only get what you put out

you want ppl to respond respectfully you gotta show respect

dont be mad doggie, just cause you dont get it

tough luck bitch

any more of that and this you'll get a warning

[unicorn]

Amazing what we are really deprived of, in terms of info


I know, I felt this after seeing BTBDWK and also The Secret, imagine if they were teaching this at schools!!!
Awesome how people are managing to spread the info to help people become self empowered and open to a wider view-point.

[bigus_dickus]

Dr Quantum - Flatland - YouTube

[smoking oceanus]

There are some things i like in this film and things i dont. AQs far as im aware this film was produced by the Ramtha School of Enlightenment so its very necessary to use critical thinking and your discerment, take what resonates and leave the rest :-).

[hagbard_celine]

It's one of my favourite movies; it really resonated with me. Not that I'm going to join the Ramtha school! Their fees are sky high!

[tron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyTxCsIXE4

This is an amzing video. :) One of the first ones I watched on Quantum Physics and other dimensions.

On a side note, how disappointing is it to see another decent thread turned into an arguement. :( I think the people who throw insults and swear at each other should really think about what they are saying, else don't say anything at all. The one thing you can see from being outside the arguement is that half the things said that disrupt the conversation don't even need to be said at all and only cause problems for people actually interested in what others have in opinion. Everone has the freedom of self expression, as long as it is in no harm/insult of others, thats when it changes from Freedom of speech to people direction insults at each other, which does not benefit anyone.

Peace,

Cxx

[malvern]

love both vid links ...seen water photos somewhere before..nice one keep them coming:)


freedom for all :)

[baron von lotsov]

There are many courses on the net that teach you about quantum physics. Here is one I found. Enjoy!

http://www.lsr.ph.ic.ac.uk/~plenio/lecture.pdf

So guys, how are we doing on the quantum mechanics so far? Can anyone solve the Schrodinger equation for a one dimensional quantum oscillator yet? How about a hydrogen atom? Spherical geometry is the best way to do it.

Fun isn't it?

[grackle]

Anyone else seen this film 'what the bleep do we know' about quantum physics/spiritual parallel perspective of life?

Quite a good little film..:)

Part 1
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FpCSk7WC4GI

has 10 parts to it if you wanna check it outYes, it's a film that the Rosicrucians used in their siminars before they recruit people. I've seen the film. It's a yound african-american male schooling a middle age caucasian female that nothing really exist and the brain functions and all.

[thirdwave]

Yes, it's a film that the Rosicrucians used in their siminars before they recruit people. I've seen the film. It's a yound african-american male schooling a middle age caucasian female that nothing really exist and the brain functions and all.

please can you educate me on the Rosicrucian's?

people talk about them like they are as popular as Salisbury's super market but yet so little info about them ever come up.... it seems to be a name people use when ever they want to make something out to be false yet as I say....

what are they... why are they bad... and what do they have to do with this film (that I think is very good)

[e7304]

Ok...everyone's an expert on this. Rosicrucian's, bad interpretations of quantum theory, Ramtha School of Enlightenment??

When I first saw this movie a few years ago, I was impressed with the film makers effort to TRY to show people things which even David Icke and others have expressed in their own way. Yes its got its limitations and goes over the top with some of the interviees, to such an extent that some people interviewed have distanced themselves from the movie. In one negative review I read, the reviewer stated that the (paraphrasing) attractive blonde plump faced woman (the Ramtha woman) made more sense than the so called experts (which I had a giggle about).

I dont know about the Ramtha "school" but she did, as far as I am concerned , make sense. As far as the "Rosicrucian's" group (sp?), I dont know enough about them to comment. As far as bad theory or whatever in quantum theory, try reading Lyn MacTaggerts book "the field" where she mentions how Schrodinger,Heisenberg,Bohr and Wolfgang Pauli-had some inkling of the "metaphysical" territory they had trespassed into...and how they turned to classical philosophical texts in their attempts to grasp the deeper truth about the strange subatomic universe they were observing......Baron you might dismiss this but so what.

Nothing is certain in science....(when it "supposedly" is , we end up with GMO's not only in foods but also in "weapons" , biological agents and such)...and while this movie , I think, does promote the me me me attitude, at least it gives an understanding that we are NOT just little nobodies...we CAN if we can grasp the way, be influencial in this world....and we are all connected. Just read between the lines. It amazes me how people on this forum would really argue about it??......Let it be ...., because I think the science is there to show it ie Dean Radin's "the conscience universe" plus Sheldrakes theories....just let it be so people can start to grasp what is out there. Its a start.

Any problems with this thinking of mine?

[lydia78]

Ok...everyone's an expert on this. Rosicrucian's, bad interpretations of quantum theory, Ramtha School of Enlightenment??

When I first saw this movie a few years ago, I was impressed with the film makers effort to TRY to show people things which even David Icke and others have expressed in their own way. Yes its got its limitations and goes over the top with some of the interviees, to such an extent that some people interviewed have distanced themselves from the movie. In one negative review I read, the reviewer stated that the (paraphrasing) attractive blonde plump faced woman (the Ramtha woman) made more sense than the so called experts (which I had a giggle about).

I dont know about the Ramtha "school" but she did, as far as I am concerned , make sense. As far as the "Rosicrucian's" group (sp?), I dont know enough about them to comment. As far as bad theory or whatever in quantum theory, try reading Lyn MacTaggerts book "the field" where she mentions how Schrodinger,Heisenberg,Bohr and Wolfgang Pauli-had some inkling of the "metaphysical" territory they had trespassed into...and how they turned to classical philosophical texts in their attempts to grasp the deeper truth about the strange subatomic universe they were observing......Baron you might dismiss this but so what.

Nothing is certain in science....(when it "supposedly" is , we end up with GMO's not only in foods but also in "weapons" , biological agents and such)...and while this movie , I think, does promote the me me me attitude, at least it gives an understanding that we are NOT just little nobodies...we CAN if we can grasp the way, be influencial in this world....and we are all connected. Just read between the lines. It amazes me how people on this forum would really argue about it??......Let it be ...., because I think the science is there to show it ie Dean Radin's "the conscience universe" plus Sheldrakes theories....just let it be so people can start to grasp what is out there. Its a start.

Any problems with this thinking of mine?

Not a jot!No problem at all..thanks for your comments. I agree with you, as films go this at least offers a perspective most have no idea about. Quantum physics has always remained in the arena of the intellects, physics can be intimadating for alot of people, but this breaks it down so folks can get the gist of the potential around them. Not a fan of the blonde lady personally but that's where you take or leave info..:)

[whitenight639]

because I think the science is there to show it ie Dean Radin's "the conscience universe" plus Sheldrakes theories....just let it be so people can start to grasp what is out there. Its a start.

Any problems with this thinking of mine?

have you got any more info on this Sheldrakes theory(s) ??

[e7304]

Hello Whiteknight639

Rupert Sheldrake made a bit of a stir back in the 1970,s, due to his theory of the "morphonegentic field" (sp!) and had his work published in the journal "nature" (veery prestigious) with a disclaimer from the editor saying that his ideas were controversial and the editor later stated that if book burning was ever allowed to return, Sheldrakes "new science of life" would be on the top of his list.

Anyway, Sheldrakes theory is that each species of life has an information field that each individual organism in that species is in contact with. He claims that this allows the species to develop according to its needs and more specifically with information individaul members pick up through life experience, which allows the species as a whole to "download" through the unconscience mind. Its been quite a few years since I read his book and oher ideas I may have picked up may have twisted this a bit, but thats basically what I got from his book. It puts Darwinism out of business ie pure random genetic changes ,so it was bound to put the editor of "Nature" on the attack. It also brings into evolution Lamark's theory and , in a metaphysical sense, some works like Blavasky,s Theosophists ideas etc.

Sheldrake made up some experiements for school kids....things like sitting in a chair and indicating when someone was "looking" at the back of their head. He also wrote a book, which I have not read, about when pets know when their owners are coming home before they do. May sound juvenile, but he was pressing a point about our interconnectiveness and natural unkown abilities we, and animals, have.

If anyone else has more on him, or would like to correct my interpretaton, please feel free to do so. I am a jack of all trades, so to speak, when it comes down to these type ideas. I firmly believe the "human sciences" ie any science that is NOT mathematics or its cousins of physcics and chemistry, are controlled more by politics and egos than true science.

With what the bleep, it highlighted quantum physics to support in a way Sheldrakes ideas.

Oh and thanks Lydia78 for the comment.

[i_am]

please can you educate me on the Rosicrucian's?

people talk about them like they are as popular as Salisbury's super market but yet so little info about them ever come up.... it seems to be a name people use when ever they want to make something out to be false yet as I say....

what are they... why are they bad... and what do they have to do with this film (that I think is very good)

Hey thirdwave

Here is a thread that might give you some information

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=136012&postcount=6

The first post has a chart which shows where they fit in the picture

The knowledge in itself is not 'bad' but it has been, and is, misused by many.

[baron von lotsov]

Not a jot!No problem at all..thanks for your comments. I agree with you, as films go this at least offers a perspective most have no idea about. Quantum physics has always remained in the arena of the intellects, physics can be intimadating for alot of people, but this breaks it down so folks can get the gist of the potential around them. Not a fan of the blonde lady personally but that's where you take or leave info..:)

But it's wrong.

What I'm trying to tell you is that people like JZ Knight are fraudsters yet you are prepared to take their word as gospel. Why? After all that has been said and done on this forum and others why do you choose to expose yourself to known brainwashing. You make the job for the Illuminati so much easier and yes there is a reason why the system has dumbed down science so much.

If you want to learn about QM then you start at the beginning. Lets talk about wave particle duality. Explain to me the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and find the equation for it for your first lesson! Get educated for goodness sake or don't try and pretend you understand because it won't do you any favours. Once you get into it then you will know but don't read any books without equations in them, you can't learn QM without maths, the rest is bullshit.

[eternal_spirit]

This is what I don't understand.....If mathematics is based on formula and logic to measure, divide etc, to reach a certain conclusion. I've known people who are good at maths but cannot explain how Quantam Physics works in a convincing basic provable theory. They go off on one about space and time and I don't think there is any or little truth in the whole subject.

[baron von lotsov]

This is what I don't understand.....If mathematics is based on formula and logic to measure, divide etc, to reach a certain conclusion. I've known people who are good at maths but cannot explain how Quantam Physics works in a convincing basic provable theory. They go off on one about space and time and I don't think there is any or little truth in the whole subject.


If there were no truth in the subject you would not be reading these words. Your computer has been designed using QM. Get real!

[eternal_spirit]

If there were no truth in the subject you would not be reading these words. Your computer has been designed using QM. Get real!

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LOL I was never good at maths. But can you explain time travel? isn't this the main theme? nevermind it doesn't matter, probably way off topic.

[razed1]

i learnt more from the movie ZARDOZ than i did this one or the secret

[eternal_spirit]

i learnt more from the movie ZARDOZ than i did this one or the secret

...............

LOL http://www.jerrydroberts.com/brokedowncinema/Poster/ZardozPoster.jpg

If it's this one man far out.

[baron von lotsov]

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LOL I was never good at maths. But can you explain time travel? isn't this the main theme? nevermind it doesn't matter, probably way off topic.



I don't think there has been any. There are a couple of strong factors that mitigate against it, the one being entropy and the other being the law of cause and effect. There is the many worlds theory except that it isn't a theory but just a get around for it but no proof. Physics is about experiment and maths and when there is neither it is philosophy, not physics. Don't get the two mixed up.

[eternal_spirit]

I don't think there has been any. There are a couple of strong factors that mitigate against it, the one being entropy and the other being the law of cause and effect. There is the many worlds theory except that it isn't a theory but just a get around for it but no proof. Physics is about experiment and maths and when there is neither it is philosophy, not physics. Don't get the two mixed up.
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Hence quantam theory. So some is possible but not provable, whilst other quantams as in quantam physics is used
in sciences like you said computers.

[baron von lotsov]

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Hence quantam theory. So some is possible but not provable, whilst other quantams as in quantam physics is used
in sciences like you said computers.

Yes but physics has become a bit like that as a whole, as has medicine and many other respected branches of academia. You see those pesky Illumi bullshiters are at work in many departments.

The read head on your hard disk drive uses certain quantum effects that are present when the thickness of a material is down to about a few hundred atoms wide. It vastly increases the density at which data can be stored. That's a fact and it works every time. Old school physics in other words.

[e7304]

As quoted by Baron Von Lotsov on time travel....

"I don't think there has been any. There are a couple of strong factors that mitigate against it, the one being entropy and the other being the law of cause and effect. There is the many worlds theory except that it isn't a theory but just a get around for it but no proof. Physics is about experiment and maths and when there is neither it is philosophy, not physics. Don't get the two mixed up. "

Well I think philosophy, even though its a dirty word for many scientific thinkers today, is essential. We need more philosophy,and more scrutiny of many areas of our so called sciences. It is why the QM scientists found themselves questioning their own beliefs, like I posted before. They found themselves in a unique situation where they could not rely on so called known "facts" under Newtonian laws to explain their findings. Suddenly they were out on a limb.....and they decided to look in the past with philosophy for the answers.

Nohing wrong with this, as far as I can see.

When it comes down to things like "what the bleep" and Ms Knight, you can either accept her on face value as in the movie or be conviced by people like Richard Dawkins. According to him, we are all duped by religion and shysters. So be it, but Dawkins himself can be seen as a reflection of his , as far as I am concerned, non scientific beliefs. They are more like religious beliefs and we canot move forward, scientifically, until people like him are removed from the scientific scene.

As far as time travel goes ...I dont know, But for philosophy, yes we need this thinking more and more .Einstein is a person we treat as a god.......but maybe he got MANY things wrong.You have to remember that most of history , including science is written for the victors and NOT the truth. I have been reading a few articles that state that Albert was stealing ideas from others and ignoring things like the idea of the ether, which had been a well established theory and accepted by the mainstream. Einstein threw this out and many people who were not happy with his judgement, found themselves on the "outer"....if its right or wrong , it should be at least looked into.

OK this is a rant on so called modern science but we need a clear thinking about what is considered fact. Darwinism, as it is presented in schools and other places of learning is a joke. I am no "creationist" and dont follow any biblical teaching. At the same time I find the "Darwin " model to be non science. I am a free thinker, and I see so many "truths" to be blatent lies. We need science to be open and honest, but more and more is beng controlled by "private" interests.

From what I have leaned over the years, has made me very sceptical of the "instituntional" modes of thinking, including medicine and our so called advanced sciences.

We are controlled, no doubt, by some outer body. Who they are I dont know. BUT films like "what the bleep" appear to be outside the system. We can critisize them for their "innocence" or so called "non scientific" approach , or their new age approach or their "brain washing" pagan non science. But the people who advance these critique's never look at their own faults. They see themselves as the ultimate icons of human advancement and anything else which does not meet their expectations, is a con job.

The more we see and read, no matter where it comes from, the more we learn...its quite simple really. We just have to make our OWN minds up...and not listen to the controllers.

Let it be....let us evolve as we should. Human kind can do this on its own...Sheldrake showed this, as far as I am concerned. Only the people who are scared of this "evoluton" in thinking by the masses are scared.....and they should be. Independent thought really fucks them up.

Sorry but I ranted a bit but thought it was warrented.

[baron von lotsov]

I don't subscribe to Dawkins; I think he is an Illuminati intellectual prostitute myself. Why do I only get two choices in your worldview anyway?

Einstein might have made mistakes, so what, he was human as well but I don't care about the mistakes, it was all work in progress. What should be concentrated on are his achievements, namely things like General Relativity. Whatever you say that was a fantastic breakthrough and hence he deserves far more respect than Darkins who is just so obviously on an agenda. Oxford as well, absolutely typical.

[razed1]

I don't subscribe to Dawkins; I think he is an Illuminati intellectual prostitute myself. Why do I only get two choices in your worldview anyway?

Einstein might have made mistakes, so what, he was human as well but I don't care about the mistakes, it was all work in progress. What should be concentrated on are his achievements, namely things like General Relativity. Whatever you say that was a fantastic breakthrough and hence he deserves far more respect than Darkins who is just so obviously on an agenda. Oxford as well, absolutely typical.

youre such a hypocrite baron

you talk all this jazz about the illuminati agenst, dis-info

yet you turn their puppet einstein into this godlike physics guru


seems like you pretty brainwashed by their agenda yourself???

[baron von lotsov]

youre such a hypocrite baron

you talk all this jazz about the illuminati agenst, dis-info

yet you turn their puppet einstein into this godlike physics guru


seems like you pretty brainwashed by their agenda yourself???

Understand the subject and then you will know. Out of all modern physics the two major breakthroughs have been Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. They work, that's why they are important. But you people can't tell the difference between something that works and something that is a whole load of mishmash. That's why I keep saying you need to learn your subject. Understand it and then you can make an informed decision. Also it is fascinating and highly recommended. It will stretch those grey cells like nothing else. If you find it hard then even more reason to keep trying. I did, it took me years to learn it but it is worthwhile.

[them]

Understand the subject and then you will know. Out of all modern physics the two major breakthroughs have been Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. They work, that's why they are important. But you people can't tell the difference between something that works and something that is a whole load of mishmash. That's why I keep saying you need to learn your subject. Understand it and then you can make an informed decision. Also it is fascinating and highly recommended. It will stretch those grey cells like nothing else. If you find it hard then even more reason to keep trying. I did, it took me years to learn it but it is worthwhile.

The Baron is right. The Laws of Physics and elementary particles and atoms are beautiful disciplines to indulge oneself in.

I get great personal satisfaction from studying Cosmology.

Quantum Cosmology

The physical laws that govern the universe prescribe how an initial state evolves with time. In classical physics, if the initial state of a system is specified exactly then the subsequent motion will be completely predictable. In quantum physics, specifying the initial state of a system allows one to calculate the probability that it will be found in any other state at a later time. Cosmology attempts to describe the behaviour of the entire universe using these physical laws. In applying these laws to the universe one immediately encounters a problem. What is the initial state that the laws should be applied to? In practice, cosmologists tend to work backwards by using the observed properties of the universe now to understand what it was like at earlier times. This approach has proved very successful. However it has led cosmologists back to the question of the initial conditions.

Look at this - http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/cosmos/

[razed1]

cant you see, this whole new science, is just explaining away the universe as being external to you

i know this a giant leap for baron, but small step for mankind

but could you entertain the idea, that maybe your consciousness has a affect on the physical universe external to your body


this is not 'occult' but is even the teachings of the bible

this new science is breaking things down smaller and smaller, becuase thats what our consciousness is looking for

so befoer it was thought that the atom was the smallest particle known to man, we coudlnt break matter down any further, but now they found protons, electrons, neutrons, and now even discovery of sub-atomic particles,

and science still cant 'catch' a photon of light


this is an endless vertigo which your left brain is delving into

you will not find absollute truth, until your start thinking that maybe your conscousness is affecting whatever environment your in




well??

[2013]

Dont forget schrodingers cat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat
Schrödinger's cat is a seemingly paradoxical thought experiment devised by Erwin Schrödinger that attempts to illustrate the incompleteness of the Copenhagen interpretation when going from subatomic to macroscopic systems. Schrödinger proposed his "cat", after a suggestion of Albert Einstein's, stating that if a scenario existed where a cat could be so isolated from external interference (decoherence), the state of the cat can only be known as a superposition (combination) of possible rest states (eigenstates), because finding out (measuring the state) cannot be done without the observer interfering with the experiment — the measurement system (the observer) is entangled with the experiment.
Schrödinger wrote:

One can even set up quite ridiculous cases. A cat is penned up in a steel chamber, along with the following device (which must be secured against direct interference by the cat): in a Geiger counter there is a tiny bit of radioactive substance, so small, that perhaps in the course of the hour one of the atoms decays, but also, with equal probability, perhaps none; if it happens, the counter tube discharges and through a relay releases a hammer which shatters a small flask of hydrocyanic acid. If one has left this entire system to itself for an hour, one would say that the cat still lives if meanwhile no atom has decayed. The psi-function of the entire system would express this by having in it the living and dead cat (pardon the expression) mixed or smeared out in equal parts.

It is typical of these cases that an indeterminacy originally restricted to the atomic domain becomes transformed into macroscopic indeterminacy, which can then be resolved by direct observation. That prevents us from so naively accepting as valid a "blurred model" for representing reality. In itself it would not embody anything unclear or contradictory. There is a difference between a shaky or out-of-focus photograph and a snapshot of clouds and fog banks.[1]

This all hinges on like most other information presuming we are the sum of all knowledge , wich every field of expertise seems to think it is .Its not set in stone . As quantum mechanics seems to suggest ,observation changes outcomes so we can and do change .If someone doesnt like wht they read here then by not having read observed it they could of changed the outcome
and thus their reaction to it.
If the programme's not the one you want get up turn of the set
it s only you that can decide the life your gonna get Crass
Big A little A :D

[baron von lotsov]

That's why earlier I asked someone to dig out the equation for the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. Now would be a good time to look at the size of the planck constant. Then you would know what you are talking about.