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[walter20]

Do you think people (meaning the average people in society, with a lower then average level of intellect) are ready for the awakening? I am NOT against the awakening at all, but I cant help but think about what would happen if the controlled society we live in collapses. David has stated that he would like to see the system collapse (as would many others), but the consequences of that system collapse should be thought of in detail. Of course, no answer could be accurate, but surly its worth discussing???

[cpfc12]

Do you think people (meaning the average people in society, with a lower then average level of intellect) are ready for the awakening? I am NOT against the awakening at all, but I cant help but think about what would happen if the controlled society we live in collapses. David has stated that he would like to see the system collapse (as would many others), but the consequences of that system collapse should be thought of in detail. Of course, no answer could be accurate, but surly its worth discussing???

What would you call awake though ??
I mean some people on here seem to think being awake just means that you hate the police or jews.

I think there is a false awakening emerging, with the likes of daily fail and gradian reporting on creeping state control, which is good i guess, but at the same time, i don't know where they are going.

[lobuk]

Yeah good points guys.

Like you say, theres probably not that many people who have totally awakened.

I think the most important part of the awakening is that people are realising that something is very wrong with the world which is what a lot of people have been doing and even more so recently with so much being on the surface. We see this all the time now.

This can only get stronger and send out the right vibrations required.

This has been coming for a very long time so who knows how it is going to pan out.

The only thing we know is the control systems we have been born into and brought up in so the future is unknown to us all.

I think we are fortunate (or may have even pre-chose) to be here at this moment of time. We could be about to witness/participate in something truly amazing.

There are going to be severe hard times getting there though thats for sure.

[electrosonic]

Do you think people (meaning the average people in society, with a lower then average level of intellect) are ready for the awakening? I am NOT against the awakening at all, but I cant help but think about what would happen if the controlled society we live in collapses. David has stated that he would like to see the system collapse (as would many others), but the consequences of that system collapse should be thought of in detail. Of course, no answer could be accurate, but surly its worth discussing???

i dont understand the correlation between IQ and spiritual awareness?

[passing]

the average people in society, with a lower then average level of intellect

does not compute

[walter20]

Ok, What I mean by awakening is, people being aware that they are being screwed from every angle from the officials of society, tax man, banks, health organisations ect... As more people become aware of these theories of Mr. Ickes (for argument sake lets say 90% of the population eventually find out this stuff) their will be a point at which people will make a stand against the current unstable system, what will happen? After a huge stand off between "us and them" will people be prepared for a lawless society, assuming it comes to that of course...

[walter20]

I think we are so concerned about discovering the 'truth', that we have not really thought of the consequences, but then again, when do we ever think of the consequences of our actions??

[pythaem]

From what I see so far on this site and other related forums, there are several different versions of the "awakening" or "waking up". This is just my opinion....

To me, being awake is simply seeking the truth for yourself and thinking on your own. Being awake means being open to possibilities, and getting rid of any "rules" you have on your view of the world. Sure, I think that it can start by recognizing that education, media, government, etc. are engineered, and are not the absolute truth. If you can look at the 9/11 evidence and be open to the possibility that it was an inside job, you're awake. If you can look at religions and be open to the possibility that they're BS, you're awake. If you can see the information that illustrates a version of reality completely different from what we've been shown our whole lives, and you don't immediately shut it down, you're awake. Being open to all possibilities, that to me = awake. You don't have to accept or subscribe to one outcome or the other. To me, the only thing that makes a person asleep is when they shut down possibilities, or when their worldview is restricted.

You don't have to believe in a grand conspiracy to be awake. You don't have to meditate or have an out of body experience to be awake. You don't have to receive a message from a spirit beyond the 5-sense realm to be awake. You just have to think for yourself.

After all, tomorrow some magical being could appear to the entire world, show us amazing truths and reveal secrets, and it would change everything we think we know right now.

Are people ready for the awakening? I don't really think it requires much. You're either set in your ways or you're open to all possibilities.

Then again, maybe I'm still "asleep" :)

[walter20]

Thank you for your reply pythaem and I agree, it does not take much at all to be 'awoken' (what ever that tends to mean). But it just seems that this whole conspiracy thing is becoming quite powerful and society has became almost obsessed with 'the truth' and it seems could alter peoples directions and decisions in life (maybe for the better or worse)
Do you (or anyone else who reads this) think that this conspiracy stuff could be enough to cause a society system crash??? Anyone got a plan to build a new one??

[pinnochio]

People keep saying its been coming. Its TIME.

There is no time the only time is now. Everything that has ever exisisted and evey will is in this moment!!.

I'm just starting to awaken to that fact myself

We've created everything ourselves.

[jakemaverick]

there are levels of awokenness. u dnt really know until something happens to you! pls click the sig!

[pythaem]

Thank you for your reply pythaem and I agree, it does not take much at all to be 'awoken' (what ever that tends to mean). But it just seems that this whole conspiracy thing is becoming quite powerful and society has became almost obsessed with 'the truth' and it seems could alter peoples directions and decisions in life (maybe for the better or worse)
Do you (or anyone else who reads this) think that this conspiracy stuff could be enough to cause a society system crash??? Anyone got a plan to build a new one??

I think the movement is making a difference, and like they say, it's just a house of friggin cards. It's an ILLUSION of control. I am seeing more and more everyday that people are waking up to this BS. Even some media sources seem more skeptical of the government, more and more "the conspiracy theorists were right!" type stuff. I think if we keep getting the information out there, people will start thinking for themselves. I personally have just been forwarding emails here and there, giving little bits of info at a time, pointing out things and people say "whoa...really??? what else!?"

David Icke and others have illustrated how TPTB are getting more and more desperate, and you can easily see that with the H1N1 hype, obama breaking his promises, the fed looking more and more corrupt, people asking WTF are you sending more troops for, etc....I think the logistical move is to just get the info to as many people as possible, and hope enough people wake up to make a difference.....the only thing I'm worried about is getting to that point before martial law :mad:

As far as after the awakening...wish I could say. It's hard to even imagine a world where the truth prevails....gosh I got chills just typing that lol....

I would love to hear some ideas on what we could build :)

[dusthead]

Do you think people (meaning the average people in society, with a lower then average level of intellect) are ready for the awakening?

This is a depressingly arrogant statement.

[pythaem]

This is a depressingly arrogant statement.

I do think the choice of words was a bit poor.....low level of intellect no...lack of information yes :)

[suicidal_martyr]

What would you call awake though ??
I mean some people on here seem to think being awake just means that you hate the police or jews.
Yeah, I noticed that, get what you are getting at at least. lol Or adopting some one else belief and go with it is what I notice a lot do, no crime in that I guess, though. Being awake in my view, is being able to see everything for what it is on every angle and not just one single narrow minded perspective then leaving it at that. I seem to come across a lot of folks on here that highly misunderstand some, but it just lets me know they aren't fully there, yet. I don't claim to be awake nor asleep, because it doesn't really make much of a difference to me as I can already see from every angle but that doesn't make one perfect. And if being awake makes anyone think they know everything, then they are dead wrong. Don't be afraid to ask questions if you think you are awake. I have to admit, I dislike how some come off as if they know it all on here but I will not state any names, I have already had my annoyance session today on the forum. Will save some energy for tomorrow's session. I tried the peace, loving route and with all the arrogance I see on here, it isn't so easy for me. It just irritates the heck out of me and can't help but confront people.

[walter20]

Does anyone think people (meaning the average person of miss informed information) actually gives a shit about this information presented by people like David Icke or do people just want to go out on a weekend, get pissed and have a good time with friends?(Excuse the language). I guess some do and some don't. Even after we gain this information, what do we now do with it??? Ok, so I can now make up my own mind wether the powers that be are lieing or not, and I can now see the bigger picture that we are getting screwed from most angles, but yet I am still living under their rules!!!! Should I buy a tent and go live in a bush somewhere??

[dngrs]

most don't give a damn about what happens mostly because of their comfort zone.. until that changes (if it changes) they just ridicule.. or at least that's what I notice when I try to convince people that some things aren't what they seem

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer

[bulletproofheart]

So many people are so convinced the awakening will happen.Image their shock if it actually does not.

[joyyy]

Do you think people (meaning the average people in society, with a lower then average level of intellect) are ready for the awakening? I am NOT against the awakening at all, but I cant help but think about what would happen if the controlled society we live in collapses. David has stated that he would like to see the system collapse (as would many others), but the consequences of that system collapse should be thought of in detail. Of course, no answer could be accurate, but surly its worth discussing???

The system will not collapse like a building gets demolished in an instant, but it is more like an obese person triming himself, slowly but surely. "God's mill grinds slow but sure".

[rydeon]

Do you think people (meaning the average people in society, with a lower then average level of intellect) are ready for the awakening? I am NOT against the awakening at all, but I cant help but think about what would happen if the controlled society we live in collapses. David has stated that he would like to see the system collapse (as would many others), but the consequences of that system collapse should be thought of in detail. Of course, no answer could be accurate, but surly its worth discussing???

The awakening (in my opinion) will happen when people stop following the crowd and thinking for themselves and looking at things with a carefully critical eye.
As far as the UK goes people seem to enjoy being 'emotionally masturbated' by the media and ptb. It reassures them everythings alright and they needn't do a thing for themselves. It's so far cemented in it'll take a wrecking ball to break them off from it.

[amethyst]

Do you think people (meaning the average people in society, with a lower then average level of intellect) are ready for the awakening? I am NOT against the awakening at all, but I cant help but think about what would happen if the controlled society we live in collapses. David has stated that he would like to see the system collapse (as would many others), but the consequences of that system collapse should be thought of in detail. Of course, no answer could be accurate, but surly its worth discussing???

I think there is somewhat of a correlation between being "awake" and intelligence.....to some degree....

But different people have differing views on what they consider being "awake" to mean.

To some, it means knowing about the agenda(s)...to others, it means spiritually enlightened....and to others still, it could be a combination of the two.

But if you have the mentality of "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" and going about life with your eyes, ears and mouth covered all the time, in denial about things....that to me, is ignorance demonstrated.

[dhama_initiative]

no i dont think the average dumb masses will be capable to awake. they should be culled so the rest of us can have a better world.

[lupa]

The system will not collapse like a building gets demolished in an instant, but it is more like an obese person triming himself, slowly but surely. "God's mill grinds slow but sure".

I like that :)

[suicidal_martyr]

no i dont think the average dumb masses will be capable to awake. they should be culled so the rest of us can have a better world.

That's fair. LOLOLOL please...you are of hate. Maybe it's your kind who needs culled so the rest can have a better world. How does that feel?

[lupa]

no i dont think the average dumb masses will be capable to awake. they should be culled so the rest of us can have a better world.

quick everyone over here look! dharma has channelled Hiter :D

[wildhorse]

quick everyone over here look! dharma has channelled Hiter :D

:D:D

sometimes I get tired of thinking bout hows it gunna be etc....fuck it

I wanna cut to the chase and get straight to it....enough of this fannying around, tptb clinging to power like Joan Collins clinging to her last dark hair

if peeps wanna wake up and listen then great, if not....well they will have some serious catching up to do... :rolleyes:

I may end up eating my own words there, but hell, its getting boring watching it all like some pub brawl just getting going

[marpat]

Do you think people (meaning the average people in society, with a lower then average level of intellect) are ready for the awakening? I am NOT against the awakening at all, but I cant help but think about what would happen if the controlled society we live in collapses. David has stated that he would like to see the system collapse (as would many others), but the consequences of that system collapse should be thought of in detail. Of course, no answer could be accurate, but surly its worth discussing???

He might want to see it collapse byt I doubt a breakdown of the system will cause to much hassle in the Isle of Wight. Such a breakdown might be a lot more brutal and nasty in cities and towns where people would probably be forced into competition for food, etc.

[marpat]

no i dont think the average dumb masses will be capable to awake. they should be culled so the rest of us can have a better world.

You are an arrogant monster

[suicidal_martyr]

He might want to see it collapse byt I doubt a breakdown of the system will cause to much hassle in the Isle of Wight. Such a breakdown might be a lot more brutal and nasty in cities and towns where people would probably be forced into competition for food, etc.

Yeah, I think about that. The power went out here for like a week once and it was winter, bad ice storm. I had a propane heater and toughed it out but woke in the middle of the night and seen a looter, wearing all black, had a big bag over his shoulder and was walking door to door as I peeked out my window, he was trying to open peoples doors, walking back and forth down the road. It was like 3 in the morning. I must of woke up as he was walking away from mine because I didn't wake up as someone was doing it, gladly it was locked. With that said, I hate to think what would really happen if things got really bad, plus I live in a big city.

[marpat]

Yeah, I think about that. The power went out here for like a week once and it was winter, bad ice storm. I had a propane heater and toughed it out but woke in the middle of the night and seen a looter, wearing all black, had a big bag over his shoulder and was walking door to door as I peeked out my window, he was trying to open peoples doors, walking back and forth down the road. It was like 3 in the morning. I must of woke up as he was walking away from mine because I didn't wake up as someone was doing it, gladly it was locked. With that said, I hate to think what would really happen if things got really bad, plus I live in a big city.

Well thats just it. If the system broke down and there was no threat of being caught then you can image exactly what would happen. There are so many feral people out there that would organise into gangs, as they already do. It would end up a case of who could get the most muscle.

I think people who expect the system to collape and then this be followed by some sort of miraculous liberation from controlling powers are just deluding themselves. Many people would try and help others, etc. many would be out to look after themselves. There are some forum users who grow their own food in case this happens yet as soon as people got desperate they would be around their houses and allotments and taking what they wanted.

I wonder what people like Icke would hope to achieve by a collapse. What do they think will follow?

[justin_pushka]

Do you think people (meaning the average people in society, with a lower then average level of intellect) are ready for the awakening? I am NOT against the awakening at all, but I cant help but think about what would happen if the controlled society we live in collapses. David has stated that he would like to see the system collapse (as would many others), but the consequences of that system collapse should be thought of in detail. Of course, no answer could be accurate, but surly its worth discussing???

People may not be ready but do they need change? Yes. And not the kind of phoney change polititians talk about. When you talk of collapse do mean mean banking financial collapse or are you talking about collapse of all systems? David icke as far as im aware isnt talking about a collapse that causes hardship like the phoney banking/societal collapse thats being orchestrated from the top down but rather a colapse of the pyramid structure of power in this reality to a circular one where we are all one. The idea of awakening isnt something to fear, fear is our only enemy. Awakening is about love joy and freedom and this state of living or vibration is for all. Doesnt that sound a little less ominous?

[marpat]

People may not be ready but do they need change? Yes. And not the kind of phoney change polititians talk about. When you talk of collapse do mean mean banking financial collapse or are you talking about collapse of all systems? David icke as far as im aware isnt talking about a collapse that causes hardship like the phoney banking/societal collapse thats being orchestrated from the top down but rather a colapse of the pyramid structure of power in this reality to a circular one where we are all one. The idea of awakening isnt something to fear, fear is our only enemy. Awakening is about love joy and freedom and this state of living or vibration is for all. Doesnt that sound a little less ominous?

A circular system? doesnt that mean there will be rings rather than levels, gravitating around a centre? sounds just like the pyramid system in another form.

[cleopatraxxx]

no i dont think the average dumb masses will be capable to awake. they should be culled so the rest of us can have a better world.

heehehhe

sounds stupid to think like that, but many times i do.

sorry

[dhama_initiative]

ive had so many chances to see how shitty the dumb general public are, i care nothing for them. they should be killed, the few intelligent people should be left to share resources

[suicidal_martyr]

ive had so many chances to see how shitty the dumb general public are, i care nothing for them. they should be killed, the few intelligent people should be left to share resources

So what core reason do you hate them other than they are dumb? Has to be a reason. Is it because they are not "awake" and don't care to learn things to awaken them? They can't help being asleep/brainwashed. I don't like your attitude. Kill them? Geeze, are you a part of the eugenics agenda? You should get a career in the CIA or something. You would do great there guy. You could use a thump in the head as well because your not so bright yourself by the way you talk.

[tannah]

ive had so many chances to see how shitty the dumb general public are, i care nothing for them. they should be killed, the few intelligent people should be left to share resources

You don't really mean that, you're probably just frustrated by stuff that's going down.

[hey_jude]

The general public IMO is in FEAR of taking on board most CT that they hear (I cried bitterly when the truth pulled the rug from under my feet) and therefore they reject these theories out of hand ...until the fateful day when they realise they are in the EU with no get out or are dragged out of their homes/beaten/railroaded to jail or some other event which they can no longer ignore.

They will then seek ...people who are awake (albeit at different stages of awareness). They will need help to understand fully what is happening and I believe sincerely this is why the awakening process is slow. It was a slow awakening process for me and is still on going ...I have leant so much from the guys and girls on here and through my own studying and I continue to every post I read shows me more about who I am.

Critical Mass is not instant ...it has to reach the tipping point ...The Hundredth Monkey Syndrome.

A Bug's Life
[Hopper has just drowned three dissenting grasshoppers in a pile of seeds]
Hopper:
You let one ant stand up to us, then they all might stand up! Those puny little ants outnumber us a hundred to one and if they ever figure that out there goes our way of life! It's not about food, it's about keeping those ants in line.

[ozpixie]

Awake means understanding how our lives are being controlled and managed and planned out in ways that we did not previously know about.

That words that come from authoritative bodies always mean things and that there are agendas behind the reasons for laws and that we cannot trust those in authority to act in our best interests or to even protect us life and limb.

Consequently it means that we need to read and watch with great care anything distributed by the PTB and the MSM so we can ask ourselves what it really means, who might be behind it and what we need to do as individuals to manage the situation or issue. It means that we need to be alert at all times if we are to wrest back those things we have lost and which were precious to us and avoid losing more.

It means we need to provide an alternative education for our children so that they are awake and aware that the things they learn at school may or may not be right or even true.

Being awake also means being able to love and laugh and experience our lives today in the face of all this (sometimes overwhelming) knowledge. It means that our responses and plans to counter these things will be done peacefully and without malice to the poor brainwashed sods who come knocking on the door, or who do over-the-counter service at whatever Fascist office we have to connect with.

It means we have to set a high example of calm, resolute and positive knowledge to those who ask us what is going on. IMO this is where the rubber hits the road. If enough of us can manage this we are well on the way to ascension.

[ozpixie]

On being awake (2) For example:

If everyone drew all their money from the banks they would have to rethink their positions.

If everyone refused quietly to pay their tax, utility bills etc they would have to rethink their positions.

If everyone refused to send their children to school they would have to rethink their positions.

If everyone refused to turn up to conscription or refused to serve in armies they would have to rethink their positions.

If they put as many of us in jail as would fit there would still be heaps of dissenters in the streets, putting everyone in jail would lead to industry grinding to a halt and there would be no money to pay tax and we all know who would be most pissed of by that.

If they shot us all they would have to some very quick thinking to replace all the workers who were earning the money to pay the taxes.

If nobody went to war how would they solve their issues?

These things would take a huge amount of guts but I was heartened to hear so many ordinary Americans say they would not take the swine flu because they believed the risks were ramped up to make big pharma rich. Will they stay resolute on pain of jail or a bullet? Probably not but who knows? The might if they are mad enough about other things as well.

[marpat]

ive had so many chances to see how shitty the dumb general public are, i care nothing for them. they should be killed, the few intelligent people should be left to share resources

And you consider yourself to be one of the intelligent ones I presume?

Infinite love is the only way according to Icke. You must be one of those unfeeling, heartless reptiles.

[justin_pushka]

A circular system? doesnt that mean there will be rings rather than levels, gravitating around a centre? sounds just like the pyramid system in another form.

Yawn. Either your acting that you have a lack of knowlege to push an agenda or just have a lack of knowlege. Either way id be wasting my time engaging fully in any discusion with you. For anyone else it simply means there is no compartmentalisation within the matrix, all knowlege and energy is shared equaly enabling all to be co creators. that is opposed to the hoarding secretive, compartmentalised and competitive pyramid system. People like marpat get erksome when someone suggests this because the alternative would put satanists at an equal footing which is something they dont want. Please give my regards to the temple of set marpat.

[marpat]

Yawn. Either your acting that you have a lack of knowlege to push an agenda or just have a lack of knowlege. Either way id be wasting my time engaging fully in any discusion with you. For anyone else it simply means there is no compartmentalisation within the matrix, all knowlege and energy is shared equaly enabling all to be co creators. that is opposed to the hoarding secretive, compartmentalised and competitive pyramid system. People like marpat get erksome when someone suggests this because the alternative would put satanists at an equal footing which is something they dont want. Please give my regards to the temple of set marpat.

How is that? you try and claim that a circular system is somehow the way to go and just because I see a possible flaw in it you get all moral. A circle is nothing but a cone seen from above and a cone from the side might resemble a pyramid.

Temple of Set, what is that? is that some sort of childish jibe, a pathetic stab because I stated a possible flaw in your idea? perhaps yuo ned to grow up and accept that other people have ideas that may not always conform to what YOU think it is right.

[dhama_initiative]

yes I've often wondered if i have reptilian in me that makes me superior. I do have Jew in my family.

[marpat]

yes I've often wondered if i have reptilian in me that makes me superior. I do have Jew in my family.

Hating people who are not like yourself is nothing to do with being superior. It is more a weakness. It shows that you are incapable of dealing with them in constructive manner so you wish to get rid of them.

[dhama_initiative]

my heart has been melted. I will allow the masses to live.

[truth finder]

Do you think people (meaning the average people in society, with a lower then average level of intellect) are ready for the awakening? I am NOT against the awakening at all, but I cant help but think about what would happen if the controlled society we live in collapses. David has stated that he would like to see the system collapse (as would many others), but the consequences of that system collapse should be thought of in detail. Of course, no answer could be accurate, but surly its worth discussing???



Yep cause all u smarties.lol are so much intune with the world:confused:

[itsallinus]

It seems more and more, to me anyway, that people are already making a choice, albeit on a subconscious level. They either what out of this reality via ascension or upon death of the physical or they choose this reality and wish to hold on to it dearly. Even when people start to 'get it' that things ain't right, even with all the evidence and dot joining they walk away, they have already made their choice. However thats not to say that they won't change their minds, some have also not reached the stage where they have any knowledge of anything 'else' than what they perceive, so I guess there are still those we need to find. Free will seems to be working the way it should at any rate.

[dereistic]

So many people are so convinced the awakening will happen.Image their shock if it actually does not.

Exactly. To define ''awakening'' you must define ''the big picture'' first and then analyze what this ''awakening'' can mean. Other than that, it's all speculation and wishful thinking. People want change and then - when it comes - they are going to be terrified because there is nobody left to protect them, just a lawless dystopian world. They will be praying to go back to their comfort zone. Well, unless, there is some incredible technology that can really transform people's lives on every single level. I just don't think ''love and hugs'' alone can build a better society.

[truth finder]

Do you think people (meaning the average people in society, with a lower then average level of intellect) are ready for the awakening? I am NOT against the awakening at all, but I cant help but think about what would happen if the controlled society we live in collapses. David has stated that he would like to see the system collapse (as would many others), but the consequences of that system collapse should be thought of in detail. Of course, no answer could be accurate, but surly its worth discussing???



going through some of ur post, and i get the feeling u think ur better then most people??? am i wrong to think this?

[hey_jude]

going through some of ur post, and i get the feeling u think ur better then most people??? am i wrong to think this?

I certainly do not feel people who are awakened to the lies and the illusion feel superior to the sheeple who are basically asleep.
The whole bloody point of being awake is to help awaken others - if you look down on others you are not awake!

[tracker]

people just wind me up fall stop !

i dont pretend to be surpeior
I dont care whether folks think that
I couldnt give a damn if others were as they say -superior than me

because none of it matters

people still get on my nerves

I get on their nerves

and they get on mine !

its a simple case of --------------people wind me up

and it has nothing to do with interlect or superiority ------


I just feel that


most folks are just plain stupid !

:cool:

[itsallinus]

people just wind me up fall stop !

i dont pretend to be surpeior
I dont care whether folks think that
I couldnt give a damn if others were as they say -superior than me

because none of it matters

people still get on my nerves

I get on their nerves

and they get on mine !

its a simple case of --------------people wind me up

and it has nothing to do with interlect or superiority ------


I just feel that


most folks are just plain stupid !

:cool:

It does not appear to be a feeling but a fact. People in some cases inherit stupidity, in other cases its self inflicted (so often during teenage years because its cooler to be thick than a nerd). Your not alone tracker, not by a long shot :D

[tracker]

It does not appear to be a feeling but a fact. People in some cases inherit stupidity, in other cases its self inflicted (so often during teenage years because its cooler to be thick than a nerd). Your not alone tracker, not by a long shot :D

You know what makes me laugh ?

people who try "TRY" to argue with folks like you and me trying to make us understand their point of view that people in general are clever and equal .
now thats a stupid act from the beginning .

babies and children are equal

adults are diverse , some inteligent , some not so but willing --------but many are complete simply stupid.

with an enemy one knows where one stands , you can live with your enemy because you dare rub them up the wrong way so --------peace can thrive

but a clumzy friend ? :confused:

they can kill you accidently :eek:

and its never their fault , they didnt mean too :rolleyes:

basicly putting it , the large majority of the human race is fkn stupid !
:D

[itsallinus]

Hahaha, i get that so often when trying to explain alternate theories in simple terms so they understand and they think I am being stupid. One of the most common lines is that "your just taking someone else's opinion", they cannot, how I try to show the logic, ever understand that 'free-thinking' is an ability i use that they do not. :rolleyes:

Mind you, even the most stupid people can sometimes have moments of brilliance (which leaves everyone else gob-smacked). And you could be fair and say that we each have certain things we are really good at, the dumb person might not be articulate or have much logic but they can bake some crackin' cookies :D

[tracker]

Hahaha, i get that so often when trying to explain alternate theories in simple terms so they understand and they think I am being stupid. One of the most common lines is that "your just taking someone else's opinion", they cannot, how I try to show the logic, ever understand that 'free-thinking' is an ability i use that they do not. :rolleyes:

Mind you, even the most stupid people can sometimes have moments of brilliance (which leaves everyone else gob-smacked). And you could be fair and say that we each have certain things we are really good at, the dumb person might not be articulate or have much logic but they can bake some crackin' cookies :D


yes indeed , a good bubble and squeek .

and yes its true some do get sudden geniuse moments from their stupidity ,and it can be gob smacking moments too :D
but they are still stupid IMO .

:D

[itsallinus]

How many times have you ever wondered "it's beyond comprehension how that person has the mental capacity to put one foot in front of the other"? I lost count years ago :D

[tracker]

How many times have you ever wondered "it's beyond comprehension how that person has the mental capacity to put one foot in front of the other"? I lost count years ago :D

I had the same thing at work once .
I always wondered why i was put with the idiot , and it took a while but I noticed I was the only one that could put up with him and all his accidents and muckups .

one day we were in a large morrisons rewiring it .
we had been working hard all night on trying to rewire the kitchen .
we were stuck . we had come across a steal ceil above the cieling and I had drilled through it to make a pipe passage ( conduit ) and couldnt see abive the whole .

we went round to the stairs and made our way "somewhere" and couldnt understand why we hadnt got all the way through the cieling .

I walked around up there for a while to no luck .
I heard a crash and an OUCH .
my mate had dissapeared !:eek:

I thought he had gone 30ft to the floor benieth .
I made my way to a whole in some giprock and there he was ------laying on the steal cieling right where I made that hole .

bloody genius .

Only HE ------can fall through a giprock cieling and not hurt himself .
only he can fall through a cieling and not hit the floor .

I kindly asked him to stay there whilst I passed the condiut through and told him -----------dont move once you have it --------I will come to you :D


( just in case ) didnt want any more holes . the marvolouse thing was -----no one had been there so no one knew he made the whole , and it made it easier for us to get in and out of .



if it had of been me -------I would have fallen through 2 feet from him -----the other side ----------30ft drop to the floor .such is the luck of deviding walls benieth .

but

he is still bloody stupid .
:D

[itsallinus]

Haha brilliant!

it always seems that way too, as though the blind (stupid) can walk through a burning building and not get touched while the seeing (not so stupid) will stay a clear distance outside and get hit by a car being driven by another stupid person who is too busy looking at the burning building to notice.

[tracker]

Haha brilliant!

it always seems that way too, as though the blind (stupid) can walk through a burning building and not get touched while the seeing (not so stupid) will stay a clear distance outside and get hit by a car being driven by another stupid person who is too busy looking at the burning building to notice.

classic .:D

[tannah]

I certainly do not feel people who are awakened to the lies and the illusion feel superior to the sheeple who are basically asleep.
The whole bloody point of being awake is to help awaken others - if you look down on others you are not awake!

Glad you said it, coz I was just about to!

[justin_pushka]

How is that? you try and claim that a circular system is somehow the way to go and just because I see a possible flaw in it you get all moral. A circle is nothing but a cone seen from above and a cone from the side might resemble a pyramid.

Temple of Set, what is that? is that some sort of childish jibe, a pathetic stab because I stated a possible flaw in your idea? perhaps yuo ned to grow up and accept that other people have ideas that may not always conform to what YOU think it is right.

The only flaw is in your understanding morals dont come into it. A circle seen from above is a sphere not a cone, wherever you are in that system no point is greater or smaller so it has no "power imbalence point" like a cone or pyramid it just is power in itself.

Temple of set a childish jibe? Perhaps yes out of sheer frustration at your one dimentional vision and possibly to see a satanist dance to a knee jerk reaction for once! The fact you fell for it says not a setian :D. I accept others have ideas and you are free to have what ever ideas you wish. dont be to erked when others with a different perspective can see the futility of them in the long run tho. :D Have a fantastic journey and enjoy the pyramid collapse.

[walter20]

I like this:

"I wonder what people like Icke would hope to achieve by a collapse. What do they think will follow?"

Do they really think showing "Love" to others will become the "Light" to which everyone will suddenly realise they have been sheltered from and this will be the driving force to change the error of our ways.

I feel the damage has already been done. I still pose the question to anyone willing to have ago at it, Could you design a better system?. In this new system could we control the power of human instincts to survive by the love and forgiveness of others?

I have to admit, I don't have much respect for humans, we are so arrogant. In my personal opinion, humans are finished. One just needs to look at the mess the world is in, and not because of the media blowing situations up and making them more scarier then they are or the governments seemingly constant wrong decisions (or lies) ect... But just by looking at the people around you, the work place, family, friends, about 90% of these people are just full of bullshit, everyone is for themselves, with only about 10% of those people actually knowing, what makes you happy, sad, angry, or just who you really are and being true to you. The system forces nearly everyone (from the working class, Bin men ect.. to the Middle class, Teachers, Doctors ect..) to form a fake image of one self and if you "Perform" well enough then you shall have that promotion. So when we meet people we are not actually meeting them, we are meeting a character. Why??

Shakespeare " all the worlds a stage".

(Sorry for the rant, needed to get that out!!)

[hey_jude]

I like this:

"I wonder what people like Icke would hope to achieve by a collapse. What do they think will follow?"

Do they really think showing "Love" to others will become the "Light" to witch everyone will suddenly realise they have been sheltered from and this will be the driving force to change the error of our ways.

I feel the damage has already been done. I still pose the question to anyone willing to have ago at it, Could you design a better system?. In this new system could we control the power of human instincts to survive by the love and forgiveness of others?

I have to admit, I don't have much respect for humans, we are so arrogant. In my personal opinion, humans are finished. One just needs to look at the mess the world is in, and not because of the media blowing situations up and making them more scarier then they are or the governments seemingly constant wrong decisions (or lies) ect... But just by looking at the people around you, the work place, family, friends, about 90% of these people are just full of bullshit, everyone is for themselves, with only about 10% of those people actually knowing, what makes you happy, sad, angry, or just who you really are and being true to you. The system forces nearly everyone (from the working class, Bin men ect.. to the Middle class, Teachers, Doctors ect..) to form a fake image of one self and if you "Perform" well enough then you shall have that promotion. So when we meet people we are not actually meeting them, we are meeting a character. Why??

Shakespeare " all the worlds a stage".

(Sorry for the rant, needed to get that out!!)

Couldn't agree more ...the EGO just has to GO! Without an ego to feed we wouldn't need a SYSTEM at all.

[sensitivesoul]

Good point, think it is a good idea to always look at the consequences of things. It's good that David is seeing how horrible our governments can be run. Though a collapse could cause people to lose jobs, homes, some people wouldn't even be able to feed themselves. People are starving even now without a total collapse so things could only get worse... Though it also brings to mind what is the next step, what can we do to help eachother see past our shalow, cold daily lives and what can we do to stop it... I think that if things were to shift and we were to awaken there would be large groups of us and we'de be seperated from with rest who aren't ready yet, which could cause even more problems... There are alot of questions that need answering and I wish I had the answers to them... It's quite frustrating!

[1964]

Do you think people (meaning the average people in society, with a lower then average level of intellect) are ready for the awakening? I am NOT against the awakening at all, but I cant help but think about what would happen if the controlled society we live in collapses. David has stated that he would like to see the system collapse (as would many others), but the consequences of that system collapse should be thought of in detail. Of course, no answer could be accurate, but surly its worth discussing???

It's to a point where people worship intelligence. But yet who has given us the tools with which to destroy this world, and ourselves? All the geniuses of the world, that's who. Now, thanks to all the really smart people, the planet is being destroyed; and we have the means to completely annihilate ourselves off the face of the earth.

Intelligence is merely something one man teaches another. And it hasn't served this world well at all, nor the people of this world. Wisdom, on the other hand, can only come from God. And this is what mankind is lacking to help himself, because he no longer values wisdom. Instead, he worships his own intellect.

I don't think it's people with a "lower than average level of intellect" (as you put it) who are in the worst trouble. I think it's the people who value their own intelligence so highly who are headed for the worst surprise, and the scariest wake-up call.

IMO.

[walter20]

Yip I totally agree with that 1964. I think a lot of humans seem to think we are a more intelligent race then we actually are. Most people need the system to survive, some people are just getting to grips with a microwave, never mind traditional survival techniques (Without electricity!!!!) A.K.A 'the wisdom to survive'.

I think we need to go back to basics and re-learn how to hunt, build our own shelter/homes and take care of one another. I feel if the system did crash or get worse (more controlling) and you wanted out, those are the people that would be ok.