What does it mean?

[hutanic]

For some time i wanted to discover meaning behind one symbol. Basically it is 5 points where 5 ends of pentagram should be with full circle in middle. I made this crap paint picture of it to best of my abilities so that u have some kind conception what am i talking about. So if anyone out there ever saw this symbol or would know its meaning please say what u know.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8480/1jpegqm0.th.png (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1jpegqm0.png)

[cruise4]

Why do you ask?

[hutanic]

Seen it in and knowing its meaning would answer some questions for me. But cant seem to find anywhere what could it mean.

[ashyr]

it could mean alot of things.

1) the arsehole of the universe,
2) the burning core
3) ritual of one

[hutanic]

1) the arsehole of the universe

Sounds plausible.

But still many things and guessing what could it mean is not meaning of it;)

[celtic isis]

For some time i wanted to discover meaning behind one symbol. Basically it is 5 points where 5 ends of pentagram should be with full circle in middle. I made this crap paint picture of it to best of my abilities so that u have some kind conception what am i talking about. So if anyone out there ever saw this symbol or would know its meaning please say what u know.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8480/1jpegqm0.th.png (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1jpegqm0.png)

that's not a crap paint picture!

sorry i can't help you right now with your question hutanic, but i'll ask my oh he's knows a bit about symbolism, i do too but not enough lol

[hutanic]

Nahh your right its real master piece :) thnx for checking into it

[eternal_spirit]

It's 5 white dots whit a whopping big dot in the middle. If you joined the dots together you'd get a pretty star, or a pentagon. As you know......

5 cardinal points, the top point is spirit, the other points are the earthly elements.
5 points represents man ( 4 limbs and a head)


Put the word in a search there is loads of stuff on the net about the pentagram.

[hutanic]

Yes i do know. But this symbol is not pentagram. Its 5 points with one bigger in middle. One can make out of any symbol many different ones if he adds dots, lines and so on but then u lose original one. I did my search on pentagram long time ago and came on same stuff u talked about. Yet pentagram is not symbol i look for, but one i draw.

[jologriffiths]

Hi,
I have not seen this symbol before but I do know that the inverted pentagram is used to envoke certain dark beings during ritual, my instincts tell me that it is symbolic of a portal and the way you have presented it I feel it will allow light beings to be called upon.
regardless of whether it is good or bad, I think it urgent that you turn it into a symbol of light.
Does this resonate with you at all or am I in your opinion talking pish!;)

One Love

[hutanic]

Hi,
I have not seen this symbol before but I do know that the inverted pentagram is used to envoke certain dark beings during ritual, my instincts tell me that it is symbolic of a portal and the way you have presented it I feel it will allow light beings to be called upon.
regardless of whether it is good or bad, I think it urgent that you turn it into a symbol of light.
Does this resonate with you at all or am I in your opinion talking pish!;)
One Love

Wow quite interesting take on it. It never crossed my mind it could be used as portal. To bad i don't know how to invoke light beings by it:) I do know that symbol in it self is perfect if it is presented in right proportions (not this lii laa way i drew it), so i know it is not something negative. Thank u for your take on it will look a bit more into it with in light of info u shared.

[garyndawn]

hutanic may i ask where you saw that symbol please, as so i can get some perspective on it, then i may be able to help you.
thank you

[garyndawn]

To look into this, I think sacred geometry is a good start. The ancient peoples knew a thing or two J. The pentagon as I have taken a few extracts from a site (below) denotes (as you sensed through your own conciousness) regeneration in this esoteric science. I am wondering about the symbolism of the moon which could be the ‘seed’. However, that is the simple explaination and as the people who built the Pentagon in DC knew, it is an influential symbol or they would never have used it J. Download an aerial photo of it and see the centre of it with the globe in the middle. I mention this only because these people use symbolism for success all the time and you may get a clearer picture by finding out what their globe in the centre is ie. Which planet it stands for. I don’t have much more time today to go into that. However you may find the stuff below interesting.

(Alternatively you may be one of THESE people lol. Only joking http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/MI/704MilitaryIntelligenceBrigade.htm )

The Mayans and Greeks used a symbol to denote an empty column in their arithmetic calculations, but they drew zero more like an egg shape, because in their consciousness the empty vessel always contains the potential seed of growth, just like an egg.
There is no zero in the natural world, everything starts with ONE, the SEED and EGG with the potential to grow into a tree, a baby or a Universe. Logical, linear analysis tends to split things apart in order to understand how things work, so it will always chase its own tail with trying to separate the chicken from the egg. They can never be separated because they reflect the CYCLIC motion of life, and it's these cyclic and holistic conceptual spaces that the left-brain has a problem accepting. The chicken is in the egg and the point is in the void. This is the image of the Monad: Everything starts with 1, but all comes from NOTHING:

The Pentagon/ Regeneration.
"In Anthroposophy the number 5 throws light on the whole meaning of man's evolution and destiny. Before the Fall, or descent into matter, man was a four-fold being composed of physical body, life-body, astral-body and soul, with a dim spiritual consciousness. Had he remained a four-fold being he would have been perpetually directed by the Gods - towards Good. Through a fifth number the human being attains the possibility of independence and freedom with the power to choose between good and evil." This fifth principle, with the power of decision and responsibility it brings, is connected with the mystery of the developing ego or individuality. It is called spirit self
5 is the number of regeneration, procreation, and the generator of evolutionary cycles in the natural world. The 5 forms the Pentagon, and its internal form, the Pentagram or Pentacle. This is an extremely powerful and evocative symbol in sacred geometry and in the mass consciousness in general. It is perhaps one of the most misunderstood and maligned symbols due to its negative marketing. It has "always" been associated with Witchcraft, and Satan, the mark and symbol of the Beast. The inverted Pentagram marks out the outline of a horned goat, which of course is the traditional image for Satan. It also depicts a diagrammatical outline of the human form turned upside down, standing on its' head. It symbolizes humankind out of balance.
But the upside down pentagram is the reciprocal form to its opposite, the upward pentacle which symbolizes a balanced human form standing firm on two feet with arms outstretched, welcoming experience, which is one of the major characteristics of the 5. This positive/negative dual nature of 5 outlines the Human challenge of choosing between the influences of good and evil.
Notice how many flowers have 5 petals. In fact in Nature, all plants that bear fruits have 5-petalled flowers. The flower transforms into the fruit, which contains seeds. An apple blossom has 5 petals: when you cut into an apple horizontally, you will see that the seeds are also arranged in a 5-pointed, or PENTAGONAL star formation, the same form as the flower. So 5 is connected with the Earth, the proliferation and variety of different organic forms on the earth are a direct result of 5's vibration.
The symbolism of the apple in the creation story of Eve and Adam has a deep esoteric meaning, refering to the development of human consciousness and procreation. Both Pythagoras & Rudolph Steiner take these understandings much further, and we discuss their doctrines in greater detail in the workshops.
The 5 as the number of humankind, places us in the microscopic world, but its reflection is in that of the macroscopic world, and as such relates the human form to the divine form of God and the Universe as the expression of God. After all we are told that we were created in His/Her image. The form and reciprocal nature of the Pentacle inside the Pentagram sets up the Phi ratio, which generates infinite growth. We see the Phi ratio all over the Human body, and throughout the natural world, and when the ancients found this out, they considered the human form to be the archetype form and this prompted the famous saying: "Man is the measure of all things". They used the human form as their universal measuring stick, and were able for example, to accurately plot the orbital pathways and spatial relationships of the planets to each other just by observing and measuring the ratios found in the Human form.
Taken from the webpage below…

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.blueprint4creation.co.uk/jpegs/numbersforms/5star.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.blueprint4creation.co.uk/numbersforms/numbersforms.htm&h=120&w=120&sz=3&hl=en&start=14&sig2=Z9mpKF-CdmRj5RY0U94tNQ&um=1&tbnid=pner1gTQ043Z_M:&tbnh=88&tbnw=88&ei=9Az8RqG1IIKo0QT8qc2uAg&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsacred%2Bgeometry%2Bmoon%2Binside%2Bo f%2Bpentagon%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26cli ent%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26hs%3DdAK%26sa%3DN


:)

[hutanic]

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Yes i have already noticed that who ever built pentagon know of such symbol and incorporated it in its structure. Interesting to see that If u combine 2 symbols form link u gave, one can get exactly what i was telling u about. 5 stars with moon in middle. But then again we are given smoke and mirrors how it only represents service and support to DoD. (and no i am not one of that people: )

As far as middle point (moon) goes, my speculation was that it could be representing force(ONE or great spirit/god) holding other 5 virtues/principals/attributes together. Seed is interesting concept but from what i seen trough my life things already are as they have to be, together with symbol being perfect as it so i don't see how growth in this sense would fit in unless if referring to individual.


Before the Fall, or descent into matter, man was a four-fold being composed of physical body, life-body, astral-body and soul, with a dim spiritual consciousness. Had he remained a four-fold being he would have been perpetually directed by the Gods - towards Good. Through a fifth number the human being attains the possibility of independence and freedom with the power to choose between good and evil.

Interesting how this coincides with what i told u about 5 stars and one diapering. I have certain knowledge on matter of who and what we are. So ill clarify from what i know about our body. We are souls(consciousness), we do have body made of light(thats astral one i guess) and of course physical. But i am not sure to what would this life body refer too. But in any case very interesting view on things this web page provides.

Thank u for providing me with material that u have for it gave me quite a few new directions to investigate. About symbol i only know what i already told u. It being perfect when in right proportions and top star. Rest is speculation on my part. Will be interesting to see what will i find out during next few days, watching Ian Lungold now to see what he has to say of that 6 perfect points u mentioned.

[hutanic]

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Searching tonight i found some details at pentagon i missed before. To bad its architect is dead for some 50 years. Wonder do this "builders" actually knew what was meaning of symbols they incorporated or was it just passed on them to copy/paste so to say.

[garyndawn]

Just thought for you, our earth is thought to be heading to what has been termed as galactic centeral, or a photom belt, it is about know that we shoud start to feel its effects. A lecturer called Ian lungold holds talks about a time the Myans new whem we are going to grow up, as to start to become whole.
some one else i would have a look at is Micheal Tsarions work, he has some real interesting work.

[celtic isis]

Nahh your right its real master piece :) thnx for checking into it

hehe i'm happy you got some great posts back! i can't keep up on this here forum! sorry i didn't find out anything of interest yet as to the meaning:o
i'll ask my oh when he gets back :)

[hutanic]

Its intention that counts not result:D Thank u for checking into it anyway

Ohh just noticed your avatar and signature. Well don't keep your hopes up to much it might get nasty....

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[mr jones]

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Searching tonight i found some details at pentagon i missed before. To bad its architect is dead for some 50 years. Wonder do this "builders" actually knew what was meaning of symbols they incorporated or was it just passed on them to copy/paste so to say.

my first thought about that symbol was, it looks like somthing to do with Venus and the moon.

read this, its Very interesting. its about the pentagon in washington d.c.
and the D&M (pentagonal) pyramid on mars.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_washingtonDC05.htm

[sunyatta60]

Hi I just had a quick look through one of my books called Symbols and there hidden meanings your symbol looks like the symbol for a Lotus when you look directly into the eye of the flower the only difference being that the middle is a black dot surrounded by some white ones.

[hutanic]

me jones and sunyatta60 thank you both for your replays. It is interesting to find out why was pentagon positioned where it is and, why it was shaped that way beside one u get from "official" sources, alike that it was shape of road that dictated its shape. About lotus, it never crossed my mind it could be its meaning but it opened my mind to some new possibilities and some of interpretations i found actually make quite a lot sense.
http://www.lumenartes.com/photogallery/10LotusCenter.jpg

sunyatta would u please tell me what kind of interpretation was given in your book? Was it like Buddhist symbolism or Hindu, or something 3rd.

[sunyatta60]

Hi The book says it is the Buddhist symbol for Purity of the self, body and mind.
Your symbol is not exactly the same but the lotus symbol is the close thing that i have seen to it.

[hutanic]

Thnx for info.