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lightgiver

25-10-2009, 07:06 PM

The Intervention by the Masonic-Rosicrucian-Illuminati

In 1934, Secretary of Agriculture, soon-to-be Vice-President (1940-44) and 32nd degree freemason Henry Wallace submitted a proposal to the president to mint a coin depicting the seal's obverse and reverse. President Franklin D Roosevelt, also a 32nd degree freemason, liked the idea but opted to instead place it on the dollar bill. According to Henry Wallace, in a letter dated February 6, 1951, “the Latin phrase Novus Ordo Seclorum impressed me as meaning the 'New Deal' of the Ages.”

“Roosevelt as he looked at the coloured reproduction of the Seal was first struck with the representation of the 'All-Seeing Eye,' a Masonic representation of Great Architect the Universe. Next he was impressed with the idea that the foundation for the new order of the ages had been laid in 1776 (May 1st, 1776, founding of the Illuminati) but would be completed only under the eye of the Great Architect. Roosevelt like myself was a 32nd degree Mason. He suggested that the Seal be put on the dollar bill rather that a coin.”

Besides being a high ranking freemason and having the distinction of introducing socialism into the American political system, Roosevelt was a member of a secret society called the Ancient Arabic Order of Nobles of the Mystics Shrine (Shriners), attaining the grade of a Knight of Pythias. The Order of Nobles and Mystics claimed to be an offshoot of the Illuminati.

Freemasons, Walter Flemming and William Florence founded an American branch in New York, 1872. Membership in the order was open only to Freemasons who had reached the 32nd degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite or those who've attained the last degree of the York Rite, the thirteenth degree (Knight Templar).

The Order of Nobles and Mystics have origins which date back to the seventh century – apparently founded by a descendent of Mohammed. Author Michael Howard describes the Order's symbols.

Symbol of the Order “The symbol of the Order is a crescent moon, made from the claws of a Bengal tiger, engraved with a pyramid, an urn and a pentagram. The crescent is suspended from a scimitar and in the Order is a representation of the Universal Mother worshipped in ancient times as Isis. The horns of the crescent point downwards because it represents the setting moon of the old faith at the rising of the Sun of the new religion of the brotherhood of humanity.”
- The Occult Conspiracy, p.93

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/461/shriners.png (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/shriners.png/)

According to Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan, Roosevelt's Shriner's have a ritual similar to a satanic ritual called "The Ceremony of the Stifling Air", or better known as "L'air Epais." LaVey says that this rite was originally performed "when entering the sixth degree of the Order of the Knights Templar." Remember that if the Masonic candidate chooses to follow the York Rite, after he completes the 13th degree called the Knight Templar, he can apply to become a Shriner.

LaVey describes the Templars' ritual thus:

“The original Templars' rite of the Fifth degree symbolically guided the candidate through the Devil's Pass in the mountains separating the East from the West (the Yezidi domain). At the fork of the trail the candidate would make an important decision: either to retain his present identity, or strike out on the Left-Hand Path to Shambhala, where he might dwell in Satan's household, having rejected the foibles and hypocrisies of the everyday world.

A striking parallel to this rite is enacted within the mosques of the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine, an order reserved for thirty-second degree Masons. The Nobles have gracefully removed themselves from any implication of heresy by referring to the place beyond the Devil's Pass as the domain where they might "worship at the shrine of Islam."

Once the celebrant has taken this degree, he embarks upon the Left Hand Path and chooses Hell in place of Heaven.”
- The Satanic Rituals — Companion to the Satanic Bible, p. 21

Pretty powerful stuff for sure, and not what you would expect of the "merry old men" wearing "fez-hats" and tending to burn victims! One part of LaVey's interpretation I find interesting is the choice the candidate makes in following the "Left-Hand Path to Shambhala." 2 In esoteric doctrine the principle city of the underground world is Shambhala.

In this subterranean kingdom presides an all-powerful and All-Seeing ruler – The King of the World. Some have called him Sanat Kumara 3, others, King Satan. This may not be as far fetched as it seems. The Bible clearly states that Satan is the "prince" and "lord" of this world – John 12: 31 & 14: 30, Eph. 6: 12, Luke 4: 6-7, and 2 Cor. 4: 4 – and in fact has dominion over this fallen world. This King of the World, according to Eastern tradition, has a rule and influence which stretches to the surface by means of trusted emissaries who carry out specific tasks and duties – including a secret 8 million who carry out his tasks unbeknownst to us all. 4 As we shall see, one such "emissary" had a considerable influence with Roosevelt's Secretary of Agriculture.

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lightgiver

25-10-2009, 08:47 PM

SCARLET AND THE BEAST — Vol. 1

A History of the War between English and French Freemasonry

By John Daniel

3rd edition

Table of Contents

Introduction: What is Freemasonry? Mason is short for Freemason. Freemason is short for “free and accepted Mason,” a name acquired as a result of Freemasonry’s successful fight for political and religious freedoms; to conceal Freemasonry’s involvement in fomenting revolutions, secular history refers to Freemasons as “freemen”; Freemasonry is not Christianity, but a universal religion of salvation by works without Christ; in Freemasonry, Solomon’s Temple secretly represents the Tower of Babel; thus, Freemasonry is both anti-Semitic and anti-Christian; a discussion of the bitter conflict between English (pantheistic) Freemasonry and French (atheistic) Freemasonry; sub-Masonic lodges for both male and female membership; degrees of initiation and knowledge; Masonry and conspiracy; Masonic propaganda; how Christians are deceived.

Chapter 1: The Conflict: Priory of Sion versus Knights Templar. Bloodline of Antichrist; historic trail of Holy Grail sect that teaches Mary Magdalene married Jesus and bore “holy” children by him; Merovingian kings of Europe claim to be of this “holy” bloodline; ancient parchments reveal Merovingian plan of establishing a universal throne at Jerusalem by this counterfeit line of David; Mystery Babylon enters Catholic Church (496 A.D.) through Merovee, founder of the Merovingian dynasty; Merovingians found Priory of Sion (1090) and begin Crusades (1099); Sion founds Knights Templar (1118) to protect Merovingian throne at Jerusalem; Templars rebel; 200-year conflict between Sion and Templars; Sion and Merovingian king of France plot destruction of Templars (1307-1314); Templars flee to Scotland, found Templar Masonry. Templars vow to destroy Merovingian throne.

Chapter 2: English Freemasonry and Revolution. A Scottish Templar King for England; Templar Freemasonry enters London with James Stuart I (1603); Grand Masters of Sion move from France to London to plot against Stuart dynasty; Sion founds Rosicrucian Freemasonry in opposition to Templar Freemasonry; Sion foments two Masonic revolutions to dethrone the Stuarts (1649 and 1688); Stuarts and Templar Freemasonry exiled to France; English Freemasonry unified, de-Christianized, and politicized (1717).

Chapter 3: The Religious Wars of France. Sion’s “Great Plan” for word government is to create a Holy Grail bloodline to rule the world; during latter half of 16th century, Huguenots foil Sion’s “Great Plan”; Sion against Bourbon dynasty; Bourbon king weds Merovingian princess, subdues contenders to French throne; Holy Grail blood flows through veins of Bourbon dynasty; Edict of Nantes (1598), toleration and flexibility; revocation of the Edict of Nantes (1685); Voltaire, Sion and Freemasonry.

Chapter 4: From England to France. After the 1688 revolution, English Freemasonry unites under the name Grand Lodge (1717) and claims motherhood to all Freemasonry; Grand Lodge controls new Hanoverian constitutional monarchy; Stuarts and Templar Freemasonry exiled to France (1717); English Freemasonry plants Lodges on Continent, infiltrates Paris Templar Lodge, recertifies it as Grand Lodge (1743); Templar Freemasonry of Paris founds Scottish Rite (1748) with higher degrees patterned after the Jewish Cabala; Scottish Rite, known as Jewish Rite, begins plot against French throne in retaliation of Merovingian destruction of Templars in 1314; French Grand Lodge Masons, distressed by British control, found Grand Orient Freemasonry (1772); Priory of Sion creates Adam Weishaupt; Weishaupt founds Illuminati (1776) to infiltrate Grand Orient Freemasonry; Scottish Rite, French Grand Lodge, and French Grand Orient unite in revolution against French throne (1782-1785).

Chapter 5: Rejecting Christianity — Pagan Symbols of Freemasonry and the Illuminati. Illuminati symbols & allegories; esoteric meaning of square and compass; Illuminati holiday (May Day) commemorates revolution; Adam Weishaupt's meaning of pyramid and All-Seeing Eye; Bible prophecy and All-Seeing Eye; a call to Christians to come out of Masonry.

Chapter 6: Music and Revolution. Physical effects of music; Masonic music used in France to promote revolution (1785); modern rock and roll used by English Freemasonry to promote revolution; Lucifer, god of evil music.

Chapter 7: The Jewish Connection. Latter half of 18th century, Gentile Freemason Gotthold Lessing and Jewish Freemason Moses Mendelssohn promote revolution through media; Jacob Frank’s assault on orthodox Judaism; Reform Judaism born (1800s); Reform Judaism makes pact with Grand Orient Freemasonry; Rothschild and English Freemasonry (1801); Templar Freemasonry raises Napoleon to power (1799); Sion and English Freemasonry oppose Napoleon; Rothschild finances Napoleon against monarchs and finances monarchs against Napoleon; French Grand Lodge and French Grand Orient both accept Scottish Rite degrees (1801); Scottish Rite, so-called Jewish Rite, is Synagogue of Satan of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9; according to Scripture, Scottish Rite is not controlled by Jews, but by Gentiles who claim to be Jews, but are not.

Chapter 8: The Jesuit Connection. Jesuit suppression of 1773 instigated by Masonry; Masonic infiltration of Catholic Church; Voltaire, Masonry, and anti-Catholicism (1726-1778); Masonic disinformation attracts Christians to Masonry, pits Protestants against Catholics, and discredits clergy; Pope John XXIII (1958) — a Masonic pope; after Vatican II (1962-1965) Jesuit generals join Freemasonry; South American Jesuits and Grand Orient Freemasonry cooperate in Liberation Theology; Masonic assassination of Pope John Paul I (1978); Freemasonry’s attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II (1981)

Chapter 9: Secular Education: A Masonic Blueprint. Masonic creation of Karl Marx (1844); educational legacy of Marx; Masonic public schools in America (1820); Freemasonry founds National Education Association (NEA) in 1857; Freemasonry, force behind creation of Department of Education and consolidation of Schools; Freemasonry founds National Council of Churches; God, androgynous/neutered; list of churches led by pastors without faith; Freemasonry’s plan to destroy Christianity in America through Masonic pastors; identical blueprint used against Church during French Masonic Revolution of 1789.

Chapter 10: Masonic Control of the Media. Adam Weishaupt’s control of media to propagate revolution (1780); proof of Freemasonry’s control of media before and after French Revolution; proof of Freemasonry’s control of media prior to every revolution; proof of Freemasonry’s control of media in America today; Freemason Voltaire’s ten steps to destroy Christianity in old France in the 18th century has been in effect in America since 1940.

Chapter 11: First War Between English and French Freemasonry. Templar Mason Napoleon Bonaparte attempts to spread republicanism across Europe (1804-1812); Sionist plot against Napoleon; wealth of British Masonry guarantees Napoleon’s fall; Congress of Vienna (1815), English Masonry’s plan to thwart the spread of republicanism; one-world government proposed by Congress of Vienna; Switzerland, English Masonry’s strongbox.

Chapter 12: French Freemasonry Tries, and Tries Again. French revolution of 1830; Freemasonry and the Italian Revolution (1834-1860); A Weishaupt-Mazzini connection? Joseph Mazzini, Italian revolutionary and founder of the Mafia, founds International Freemasonry (1871) to transport revolution worldwide; French Grand Orient Freemasonry develops concept of communism (1840s); French Communist Revolution of 1848; French Communist Revolution of 1871; France, a complete Masonic State.

Chapter 13: "The Morgan Affair" triggers the worldwide "Anti-Masonic Movement". Royal Arch Mason, Capt. William Morgan accepted Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord, renounced Masonry, then planned to publish a book revealing the diabolical oaths and symbols of Masonry and the Illuminati. To silence Morgan, 69 Masons planned his abduction and subsequent murder on Sept. 11, 1826. Using the original court transcripts of witnesses to the abduction, as well as the deathbed confession of one of the murderers, John Daniel, author of Scarlet and the Beast, has coordinated these facts into a story that has been, and continues to be kept out of our history books. The Masonic murder of Morgan so affected the civilized world that a worldwide "Anti-Masonic Movement" forced European and South American Masonry to speed up its timetable of planned revolutions to 1848. Moreover, our own Civil War (1861-1865) was directly linked to "The Morgan Affair," as it subsequently became known.

Chapter 14: "American Masonic Civil War". The American Civil War was directly linked to the Masonic murder of Capt. William Morgan and the "Anti-Masonic Movement" it spawned. Freemasonry triggered the War for the express purpose of rebuilding its membership. Freemasonry writes, "By the time Masonry had recovered from its (Anti-Masonic) ordeal of persecution, the dark clouds of Civil War hung like a pall over the land.... Some day...the tale will be told of what Masonry did in those dark years — how it passed through picket lines, eluded sentinels, softened the lot of the prisoner of war, and planted the acacia upon the graves of friend and foe alike" [but only if friend and foe were Masons]. In this chapter you will read of the treasonous activity between enemies, so long as they gave the correct handshake, showed the Masonic stress signal, or verbalized the Masonic stress signal. Following are a few subtitles to this chapter:

Central Banking forced on Americans during the Civil War
Northern Jurisdiction of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, a Clandestine British Jurisdiction, founded during the Civil War
British Masonic Banks and the Northern Jurisdiction of Freemasonry
Masonic Assassination of Abraham Lincoln
Prosecution of Civil War Criminals

Masonic war criminals were pardoned if they gave the Masonic handshake to Pres. Andrew Johnson, himself a Freemason. You will see a photo of that handshake given by Pres. Johnson as he pardons a multitude of Masons, including 33O Albert Pike. During and after the Civil War, Freemasonry grew rapidly, to a count much higher than the count prior to the Anti-Masonic Movement.

Chapter 15: Lucifer: God of Freemasonry. Luciferian Rite for select few in Supreme Council; 33rd degree Freemason Albert Pike’s Luciferian Doctrine (1889); Biblical account of Lucifer’s fall; Faith versus Reason; Palladianism — Super Luciferian Rite; Luciferianism becomes universal doctrine of Masonry; New Age Movement is Luciferian Masonry of today.

Chapter 16: Freemasonry and the New Age Movement. Atheists, spiritists, and Luciferians unite at great Masonic Congress in Paris (1889); sub-Masonic lodges of the New Age; building the New Age Movement; 33rd degree Mason Aleister Crowley, head of two sub-Masonic New Age lodges that to this day perform satanic ritual murders, and push illegal drugs.

Chapter 17: New Age Movement unites English and French Freemasonry. English Freemasonry founds Quatuor Coronati Lodge of Masonic Research (1886); Quatuor Coronati organizes Order of Golden Dawn (1887); Golden Dawn uses swastika as its symbol and practices free sex under influence of drugs; Quatuor Coronati organizes Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) in 1902; OTO practices human sacrifice; Golden Dawn and OTO cooperate in creating drug/rock/sex counterculture of 1960s; OTO, mother of the New Age Movement, attempts to unite English, American, and French Freemasonry; Lucis (Lucifer) Trust of New York City, financier of the New Age Movement in America; list of prominent Americans who are members of Lucis Trust.

Chapter 18: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion. History of the Protocols; birth of Zionism in Russia (1850s); revisionist authors confuse Sionism, a counterfeit Jewish secret society originating in France, with Zionism, a genuine Jewish political movement originating in Russia; a Sionist Masonic Lodge in France is source of Protocols (1884); Protocols, a Masonic plot against the Jews; Protocols of Sion linked to the Priory of Sion; historic and prophetic commentary on Protocols of Sion.

Chapter 19: "Freemasonry Topples the Ottoman Empire". Quoting 33O Freemason Henry C. Clausen: "Masons historically have been in the forefront of movements that fired the imagination of freedom-loving people throughout the world. Goethe, Mozart, Lafayette were enthusiastic Masons as was the great Hungarian hero of democracy Kossuth, who found temporary refuge in America.... Leaders of the Young Turkish Committee that in 1908 forced Sultan Hamid 'the Damned' to give their nation a parliamentary form of government, were Masons." The breakup of the Ottoman Empire is the main cause behind World War I. Following are subtitles in this chapter: Freemasonry's Role in the Breakup of the Ottoman Empire; Young Ottomans — Youth Corps of Muslim Freemasonry; Young Ottomans become Young Turks. To counter western Freemasonry, the Muslims founded the Muslim Brotherhood in 1928, using the same pyramid structure as western Freemasonry. Then The Muslim Brotherhood founded al-Qaeda to counter the youth corps of Western Freemasonry, the DeMolay. Muslim members of the 9/11 attack on America were one-and-all members of the Muslim Brotherhood, and its offshoot, al-Qaeda. The final subtitle to this chapter is Why "Politically Correct" America cannot win the War on Terror."

Chapter 20: The First Masonic World War. During latter half of 19th century, Supreme Council of Universal Freemasonry embarks on 60-year plan to trigger world war to cast down all thrones and altars at once; Phase one — divide world into two warring camps (monarchies against republics) through peace treaties negotiated by Freemasonry over a 50-year period; Phase Two — trigger world war by creating incident in Europe that would cause treaties to take effect; from 1908 to 1913, seven incidents instigated by Freemasonry fail; Sarajevo (1914), the Masonic assassination of Archduke Francis Ferdinand of the house of Habsburg, heir to the Austrian-Hungarian throne, triggers World War I; details of Masonic plot; excerpts from minutes of trial that convicted Masons who were involved in plot to assassinate Archduke Ferdinand.

Chapter 21: The Hungarian Masonic Revolution. Grand Lodge forms socialist government after World War I; Grand Orient considers Grand Lodge too bourgeois, demands government be run by proletariat and threatens counterrevolution; Hungary, weary of war and bloodshed, transfers power to Grand Orient communists; Soviet Republic of Hungary formed March 21, 1919; middle and upper class slaughtered by communists; Hungary ousts communists and outlaws Freemasonry; Hungarian Freemasonry calls on Masonic governments throughout world to come to its aid; United States demands Hungarian government lift ban on Masonry, or loan to boost economy will be denied/ Hungary refuses, loan miscarries.

Chapter 22: The Russian Masonic Revolution. Masonry’s plan to experiment with communism; Russia targeted in 1843 for the communist experiment; century of Masonic intrigue in Russia; Grand Orient Mason and Satanist Mikhail Bakunin (1814-1876) prepares for communist revolution in Russia; Grand Orient Mason Vladimir Lenin carries Bakunin’s banner; Rosicrucian Mason Joseph Stalin robs banks (1903-1905) to fund Lenin’s revolution; Grand Orient Mason Leon Trotsky at odds with Lenin; two Russian Revolutions of 1917, socialist in February and communist in October; communists slaughter 50 million middle and upper class Russians between 1919 and 1938; USSR, first Grand Orient Masonic State; English Masonry’s 59-year project to topple Soviet Union; English Mason Kim Philby defects to Russia (1962) with instruction to bring to power a communist who will dissolve the Soviet Union. USSR dissolved by Freemason Mikhail Gorbachev (1991).

Chapter 23: The Masonic Ritual Murder of Czar Nicholas II. Symbols and examples of Masonic ritual murders; assassination of Czar Nicholas II, a Masonic ritual murder.

Chapter 24: Competing for World Governance — The Round Table vs. the League of Nations. British race patriots; Mason Cecil Rhodes and Rhodes Scholarships (1902); Round Table (1909), an appendage of English Freemasonry; French Masonry founds League of Nations; Round Table founds in 1921 Council on foreign Relations (CFR) to infiltrate American politics; Round Table plots against League. CFR creates United Nations.

Chapter 25: English Freemasonry and the Hitler Project. Mystic fronts of English Freemasonry (Golden Dawn and OTO) create Hitler; Freemason Edward George Bulwer-Lytton (d. 1872), godfather of the Nazis; swastika, symbol of the Golden Dawn; Golden Dawn of Berlin founds Thule Society; English Freemasonry creates Holy Grail myth for Thule; anti-Semitism and Thule Society; Grail mysticism and Hitler; Hitler and anti-Zionism; English Freemasonry finances Hitler to destroy French Freemasonry.

Chapter 26: Hitler’s Destruction of French Freemasonry. Fascist Italy outlaws Freemasonry in 1925; Italian Freemasonry plots assassination of Mussolini; hundreds of Masons banished to Lipari Islands to starve to death; Nazi Germany outlaws Freemasonry in 1935; abolishes Freemasonry in Austria in 1938 and sends 90 percent of Masons to concentration camps — many are Jews; closes all Masonic Lodges in Czechoslovakia in 1939, imprisons their members, shoots their leaders — many of whom were Jews; closes all lodges in Greece and Holland in 1940 and arrests hundreds of top Masons; Masons suffer equal punishment in Belgium, Norway, Denmark, Poland, Romania, Yugoslavia, France, Spain, Japan, China, Philippines, Singapore, Malaya, Burma, Thailand, and Indo-China.

Chapter 27: Yalta, Post-War Masonry, and the United Nations. U.S.A. provokes Japan to attack Pearl Harbor; Hitler plans the “Final Solution” against the Jews; post-war Masonic politicians in Europe and Japan replace vanquished leaders; post-war governments reorganized under Masonic control; Freemasons negotiated with Stalin at Yalta; post-war restoration of German and Italian Lodges; protecting Masons at Nuremberg Trials; ex-Nazis hired to build Western intelligence; C.I.A.; Nazi International and South American drugs; English Freemasonry, the U.N., International Monetary Fund, and drugs.

Chapter 28: The Address of Scarlet. Modern Masonic revolutions foretold by Ezekiel; Mystery Babylon exits the Roman Church during the Inquisitions, enters Freemasonry; from Rome to London; Revelation 17-18 sheds light on English Freemasonry as Mystery Babylon; oaths identify Mystery Babylon as Masonic; Revelation 18:23b exposes English Freemasonry’s drug trafficking; London sits on seven mountains (7-nation Trilateral Commission); Jeremiah describes London as modern Babylon; American Freemasonry has named Queen Elizabeth II “Queen of Babylon.”

Chapter 29: In Search of the Beast Empire. The Beast empire will be born of Templar French Freemasonry; French Freemasonry places ten crowns on head of Beast; one of the ten crowns, or all ten could be Revived Rome; Germany as Revived Rome; Russia as Revived Rome; France as Revived Rome; the U.N. as Revived Rome; the United States of Europe as Revived Rome; the ultimate test for identifying Revived Rome is found in the numbers 666 printed (in Roman numerals according to the Greek text) on the national emblem of the Beast nation.

Chapter 30: Headquarters of the Beast Empire. Revived Rome must have the same 13 characteristics of ancient Rome. Ancient Rome: (1) was the melting-pot of the world; (2) was a democracy based on a two-party system [Optimates and Populares]; (3) had a divided balance of power [Roman Tribune and his Senate]; (4) was based on specific laws [Rome’s 12 Tables]; (5) protected the rights of its citizens; (6) had a sordid history of slavery; (7) was capitalistic; (8) practiced abortion as a means of population control; (9) loved R-rated entertainment [history of Pompeii]: (10) had a welfare program funded by taxes; (11) had a thriving business in Lawsuits; (12) watched sports as a pastime; and (13) had as its national emblem a single-headed flying eagle pointing west. Obviously, revived Rome is the United States of America. As further proof, in Daniel 7:8 the prophet’s vision of the Beast Empire is identical to the upper half of the national emblem of the United States of America. Likewise, in Revelation 13:16-18 the apostle John’s vision of the Mark of the Beast is found on the lower half of the national emblem of the USA.

lightgiver

25-10-2009, 08:57 PM

The ancient masters of Kemet ( Egypt ) in one sense had evolved to the point that they did not see themselves separate from "God" in fact they accepted and understood that they were "God". This view had very little correlation to western thought; it was not based on a duping or used in an imperialistic manner to create an imbalance in the natural order of things, but just the opposite, it served as a model of human potential. Western Freemasonry without doubt, perhaps could not exist with the mythological and the mystic teachings that evolved out of Kemet ( Egypt ) and the Freemasonic ascension over other schools of thought and Orders is a direct result of someone tapping into occult and esoteric wisdom of Kemet (Egypt). They borrowed the ancient symbols and have even incorporated the ancient language in their modern Masonic rituals. The blind, deaf and dumb has no idea that as they move about in this physical world that what is driving the direction of the national and global political, economic and social orders is high degree Freemasonry (now lets not be foolish this writer is not referring to those who are raised in the Blue Lodge nor those who have ascended up the York Rite and Scottish Rite ladder) in which there are orders that functions separate and apart from these visible Masonic Orders. (Reference: Manly P. Hall; "The Secret Teachings of all Ages").

The majority of your United States presidents were initiated into the Scottish Rites and/or York Rite Freemasonry and they understood that signs and symbols provided them with a tool and knowledge base that had the power to transcend religion and politics (this led them to embracing the metaphysical). The Europeans were both intrigued and fascinated by the lessons the mystics left us in the realm of symbolism. Although, they corrupted the lessons that were being taught in the Egyptian Mystery Schools—Buddha, Confucius, Zoroaster, Jesus, Muhammad, etc., were able to create universal movements because they too had tapped into that higher power and embraced the lessons in what the Rosicrusicans called mental alchemy. How could one be traveling from East to West in search of more light in Masonry and fail to pay homage to Kemet? The West borrowed their light (wisdom and knowledge) from the East. But England, France and the United States became the citadels of learning because unlike other European societies Freemasonry was allowed to flourish, which the Elite and aristocrat even before 1717 had come in contact with the ancient writings of Kemet (Egypt). (Reference: Ralph M. Lewis; "Mental Alchemy").

Thus, even the African Moors under Tarik Ibn Zaid in 711 A.D had come in contact with the ancient knowledge of Kemet (Egypt). For example, maritime science, cartography, architecture, philosophy, engineering (electrical and mechanical), etc. were first taught in Kemet (Egypt). Although, Alexander in 333 BCE had pillaged and destroyed the libraries at Alexandra (which stood as the true citadel of learning and education), it was still remnants of knowledge that remained in tact because the pyramids led the seekers to the power of Amen Ra and Osiris. (Reference: Edward W. Blyden: "Christianity, Islam, and the Negro Race").

marpat

25-10-2009, 09:05 PM

lightgiver

25-10-2009, 09:15 PM

You mention Crowleys groups that you claim push illegal drugs and commit satanic murders. Care to elaborate? I find it odd that you make such claims when so many DI forum users are taking illegal drugs and claim that the only reason they are illegal is that the PTB dont want people to expand their minds.

Just for your information Crowleys 33 deg was NOT recognised in England so he abandoned it.

John Daniels mentions it marpat :)you may know something about this,

"The Curse of Canaan" is an interesting book along with its mate World Order by Eustice Mullins. One of the books which I looked with difficulty for before finding it, was Gerald Massey's A Book of the Beginning (Secaucus, NJ: University Books Inc., 1974). The book goes in and shows in detail how the inhabitants of the British Isles came originally from Egypt. This is Important because (as this newsletter has always contended) the Druidism of the British Isles was simply a derivative from the Egyptian Satanic witchcraft/magic of Ancient Egypt.

The Egyptian word Makhaut (clan or family) became the Irish Maccu and the Maccu of the Donalds (clan of Donalds) now reflected in the name MacDonald. The sacred keepers of the Clan-Stone in Arran, were also known by the family name of Clan-Chattons. Another word for clan is Mack and the Clan-Chattons were also known as Mack-Intosh.

Ptah-rekh the name of the Egyptian god Ptah was passed down to us by the Druids adopting the name Patrick, which sounded similar. St. Patricks day then is a Christianized form of a druidic holiday which originally had its origins in Egypt. The All-Seeing Eye can be found on ancient buildings in ancient Chaldea, in ancient Greece, and in ancient Egypt. The MI-Seeing Eye represents Osiris. Osiris had debauched revelries (saturnalias) celebrated in his honour.

http://www.hypnotiqueolmecpunch.org/black_nobility_coverup.htm

marpat

25-10-2009, 09:48 PM

John Daniels mentions it marpat :)you may know something about this,

"The Curse of Canaan" is an interesting book along with its mate World Order by Eustice Mullins. One of the books which I looked with difficulty for before finding it, was Gerald Massey's A Book of the Beginning (Secaucus, NJ: University Books Inc., 1974). The book goes in and shows in detail how the inhabitants of the British Isles came originally from Egypt. This is Important because (as this newsletter has always contended) the Druidism of the British Isles was simply a derivative from the Egyptian Satanic witchcraft/magic of Ancient Egypt.

The Egyptian word Makhaut (clan or family) became the Irish Maccu and the Maccu of the Donalds (clan of Donalds) now reflected in the name MacDonald. The sacred keepers of the Clan-Stone in Arran, were also known by the family name of Clan-Chattons. Another word for clan is Mack and the Clan-Chattons were also known as Mack-Intosh.

Ptah-rekh the name of the Egyptian god Ptah was passed down to us by the Druids adopting the name Patrick, which sounded similar. St. Patricks day then is a Christianized form of a druidic holiday which originally had its origins in Egypt. The All-Seeing Eye can be found on ancient buildings in ancient Chaldea, in ancient Greece, and in ancient Egypt. The MI-Seeing Eye represents Osiris. Osiris had debauched revelries (saturnalias) celebrated in his honour.

http://www.hypnotiqueolmecpunch.org/black_nobility_coverup.htm

That text is rubbish. Osiris was associated with the moon, not saturn. In Egyptain religion there are two eyes, one being the sun and one being the moon, left and right.

There seems to be a lot available on the net where people make really outlandish claims but which are flawed. I cant even be bothered to go into detail. You would find similar sounding words in many languages. Some Arabic words sound like British names but are totally different in context and meaning so to make a claim about Britain being founded by Egyptians just because words can be twisted is just misleading

lightgiver

25-10-2009, 10:47 PM

The Osirian mysteries, the wailing for Tammuz, all refer to the transformation of Saturn during and following the Deluge. Osiris was not a king but the planet Saturn, Kronos of the Greeks, Tammuz of the Babylonians. The Babylonians called Saturn “the Star of Tammuz.”

http://www.varchive.org/itb/satwor.htm

The Symbol of the Order image,looks a little like obama:eek::D don't ya think.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/461/shriners.png (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/shriners.png/)

http://www.masseiana.org/bbbk10.htm

'Taffy was a Welshman,
Taffy was a Thief, Ha Ha, no offence to the welsh,if you read the above link you will understand.

It may have been a million years ago
The Light was kindled in the Old Dark Land
With which the illumined Scrolls are all aglow,
That Egypt gave us her mummied hand:
This was the secret of that subtle smile
Inscrutable upon the Sphinx's face,
Now told from sea to sea, from isle to isle;
The revelation of the Old Dark Race;
Theirs was the wisdom of the Bee and Bird,
Ant, Tortoise, Beaver, working human-wise;
The ancient darkness spake with Egypt's Word;
Hers was the primal message of the skies:
The Heavens are telling nightly of her glory,
And for all time Earth echoes her great story.

Truth is all-potent with its silent power
If only whispered, never heard aloud,
But working secretly, almost unseen,
Save in some excommunicated book;
'Tis as the lightning with its errand done
Before you hear the thunder.

marpat

25-10-2009, 11:35 PM

lightgiver

25-10-2009, 11:58 PM

You are completely wrong. Why dont you read some Egyptian mythology instead of just promoting another persons errors.

Osiris is the moon god and is associated with the underworld, death and rebirth, just as the moon is renewed each month. This is why his body was cut into 14 pieces then put together again, the 28 day lunar cycle. Cant you see that he does NOT represent saturn?

Not being funny but if you are going to read up on such things you need to read them in original context not what somebody else thinks they might mean by comapring them to a totally different story. Some ideas might readily cross over but many dont. Its like using Hindusism to explain Buddhism, just doesnt work.

Buddhism stems from hinduism,does it not.Buddhism stems from the Hindu Vedas, yet Buddhists chose not to believe in the traditional Hindu God or gods.http://2divineways.com/east.htm

the participants of the drama are said to be Osiris-. Saturn, brother and husband of Isis-Jupiter.

http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:CNICDffkFc0J:www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/religion/saturn-jews-1.pdf+Isis+osiris+jupiter+and+saturn&hl=en&gl=fr&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShQgKZf_US_wvNm5qxCZ8uG2JkttNaCRREGbPIz kqfrwRmUIRbkIsMKq0zCozs5_qpFYIsaEP2dJgeADqWMtNVmzq Stj_qXlruMMHFFfoEfc2IVcUIhyS7eFJFnp0Bgpm5qSqv_&sig=AFQjCNEvLLzFPhYx4Yh9pbFPVBkcJUMIhQ

marpat

26-10-2009, 08:31 AM

Buddhism stems from hinduism,does it not.Buddhism stems from the Hindu Vedas, yet Buddhists chose not to believe in the traditional Hindu God or gods.http://2divineways.com/east.htm

the participants of the drama are said to be Osiris-. Saturn, brother and husband of Isis-Jupiter.

http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:CNICDffkFc0J:www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/religion/saturn-jews-1.pdf+Isis+osiris+jupiter+and+saturn&hl=en&gl=fr&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShQgKZf_US_wvNm5qxCZ8uG2JkttNaCRREGbPIz kqfrwRmUIRbkIsMKq0zCozs5_qpFYIsaEP2dJgeADqWMtNVmzq Stj_qXlruMMHFFfoEfc2IVcUIhyS7eFJFnp0Bgpm5qSqv_&sig=AFQjCNEvLLzFPhYx4Yh9pbFPVBkcJUMIhQ

The Roman and Egyptian gods are not directly equal. Isis is not jupiter either, which is considered masculine generally. Isis could also be linked to Venus as well. Where does that Maxwell get his crap ideas from.

Both Osiris and Isis are lunar aspects. I can see why they might attribute Osiris to saturn as he was the god of agriculture as well but what is happening is that people are taking one set of ideas and presuming that the same ideas are equivalent in other places, which knowledge and experience prove they are not. Dont forget that the moon is hugely important in agricultural cycles.

Why do you put faith in Jordan Maxwell on the issue? if he printed stuff that was incorrect about buddhism would you still believe him? I am not familiar with Babylonian myth but perhaps the wailing of the agriculture god tammuz is maybe more related to seasons and the death of vegetation during winter rather than some deluge reference. I think there is an equivalent Greek myth centred areound Demeteter and Persiphone

Also, look at this link. It shows babylonian planetary gods but tammuz is NOT associated with saturn. Looks like Jordan Maxwell is not somebody to put too much faith in. Writing books does not make a person true:

http://cura.free.fr/decem/10kengil.html

lightgiver

26-10-2009, 08:18 PM

The Roman and Egyptian gods are not directly equal. Isis is not jupiter either, which is considered masculine generally. Isis could also be linked to Venus as well. Where does that Maxwell get his crap ideas from.

Why do you put faith in Jordan Maxwell on the issue? if he printed stuff that was incorrect about buddhism would you still believe him? Looks like Jordan Maxwell is not somebody to put too much faith in. Writing books does not make a person true:

http://cura.free.fr/decem/10kengil.html

Who says I am putting faith in JM:confused:

I have read these views from various people.

If JM was incorrect about certain aspects of Buddhism I would try and correct the parts I feel need correcting,but who is correct in the bigger picture.:)

lightgiver

08-11-2009, 09:28 PM

Check out the symbol on Saturn on the video and the picture posted on post 1,any significance?http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88328

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

The 10th Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

http://www.cafeastrology.com/saturn.html

lightgiver

11-11-2009, 07:16 PM

Check out the symbol on Saturn on the video and the picture posted on post 1,any significance?http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88328

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcyBIMz9OOk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_10th_Kingdom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD8z7cnvxBU

http://www.cafeastrology.com/saturn.html

The Knights of Pythias

President Abraham Lincoln was so impressed by the principles of the Order that he suggested asking the U.S. Congress for a charter and backed its passage. It was the first such charter for an American fraternal order. He stated, "The purposes of the Pythian Order are most wonderful. If we could bring its spirit to all of our citizenry, what a wonderful thing it would be. It breathes the spirit of Friendship, Charity and Benevolence. It is one of the best agencies conceived for the upholding of the government and the honouring of our Flag."

The Knights of Pythias is a fraternal organization and secret society founded at Washington, DC on 19 February, 1864.

The Knights of Pythias was the first fraternal organization to receive a charter under an act of the United States Congress. It was founded by Justus H. Rathbone, who had been inspired by a play by the Irish poet John Banim about the legend of Damon and Pythias. This legend illustrates the ideals of loyalty, honour and friendship that are central to the order.

The order has over two thousand lodges in the United States and around the world, with a total membership of over 50,000 in 2003. Some lodges meet in structures referred to as Pythian Castles.

The order's auxiliaries are the Pythian Sisters, the less serious Dramatic Order Knights of Khorassan, The Nomads of Avrudaka, and two youth organizations: the Pythian Sunshine Girls and the Junior Order, Knights of Pythias for boys.

Membership requires "Belief in a Supreme Being".

Degrees of Pythian Knighthood in the subordinate lodge (or Castle) are

1. Page
2. Esquire
3. Knight

Knights of Pythias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notable Pythian Knights

# Franklin D. Roosevelt, U.S. President

# Sun Ra, :eek:jazz musician, composer & band leader :D

# Nelson A. Rockefeller, U.S. Vice President

http://politicalgraveyard.com/geo/GA/knights-pythias.html

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/pol/1451988553.html

The All-Seeing Eye, The President, The Secretary and The Guru

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/all-seeing-eye.html

According to Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan, Roosevelt's Shriner's have a ritual similar to a satanic ritual called "The Ceremony of the Stifling Air", or better known as "L'air Epais." LaVey says that this rite was originally performed "when entering the sixth degree of the Order of the Knights Templar." Remember that if the Masonic candidate chooses to follow the York Rite, after he completes the 13th degree called the Knight Templar, he can apply to become a Shriner.

LaVey describes the Templars' ritual thus:

“The original Templars' rite of the Fifth degree symbolically guided the candidate through the Devil's Pass in the mountains separating the East from the West (the Yezidi domain). At the fork of the trail the candidate would make an important decision: either to retain his present identity, or strike out on the Left-Hand Path to Shambhala, where he might dwell in Satan's household, having rejected the foibles and hypocrisies of the everyday world.

A striking parallel to this rite is enacted within the mosques of the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine, an order reserved for thirty-second degree Masons. The Nobles have gracefully removed themselves from any implication of heresy by referring to the place beyond the Devil's Pass as the domain where they might "worship at the shrine of Islam."

Once the celebrant has taken this degree, he embarks upon the Left Hand Path and chooses Hell in place of Heaven.”
- The Satanic Rituals — Companion to the Satanic Bible, p. 21

“Symbolism is the language of the Mysteries…By symbols men have ever sought to communicate to each other those thoughts which transcend the limitations of language…In a single figure a symbol may both reveal and conceal, while to the ignorant the figure remains inscrutable.”
— Manly P. Hall, The Secret Teachings of All Ages, p.20.

“These considerations lead us to an interesting topic, the Eye of Mind or the Eye of Horus ... and conveying the idea of the 'All seeing Eye'. The end set before the Egyptian neophyte was illumination, that is to be 'brought to light'. The Religion of Egypt was the Religion of the Light.”
Thomas Milton Stewart, The Symbolism of the Gods of the Egyptians and the Light They Throw on Freemasonry, London, England, Baskerville Press, Ltd., 1927, p. 5

haycock

11-11-2009, 07:49 PM

lightgiver

11-11-2009, 07:58 PM

again it seems to me again you(i mean someone) end up arguing who´s right or wrong of that in history written! all im saying is that can we be shure of whos text is correct or oldest? the perfection would be to put the diffirenses together in a ´use it in your everyday life and human life´ human i hope :)
i think a lot of nice history is written here though, but i get the feel of ´lets fight over something we can disagree about :´(

sorry folks, wheres the love?

Remember 911 and the countless wars death and destruction,do you wanna know who is behind it,I sure do.

Its about getting to the truth,and if we have to fight in a peaceful way to get to it,so be it.:)

The Matrix: message to Freemasonry and illuminati all seeing eye NWO

The Matrix: message to Freemasonry and illuminati all seeing eye NWO! - YouTube

As some say there is no spoon.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

There Is No Spoon - YouTube

There are always 3 sides to every story.

Yes where is the LOVE?? http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/prs.html

These "individual" organisations, be they banks, trans-national corporations, media empires, NATO, etc., then fit into even bigger pyramids. So you find, for example, that at the peak of the global banking pyramid all the banks are ultimately controlled by the same people - the Illuminati. Same with the transnational corporations, the media, and so on. There is a global pyramid which encompasses the pyramids of banking, business, media, military, politics, and the other institutions that run the planet. At the peak of this pyramid you find the elite of the Illuminati who orchestrate their agenda for global control through all their, apparently unconnected, organisations.

NATO= ATON

Obama: The Chosen Pharaoh part 1 of 4 - YouTube

"There is scarcely a king (or would-be-king) in a hundred who would not, if he could, follow the example of Pharaoh—get first all the peoples money, then all their lands, and then make them and all their children slaves forever."

lightgiver

14-11-2009, 01:08 AM

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4708/030910social.gif (http://img689.imageshack.us/i/030910social.gif/)

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5574/govt12e.gif (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/govt12e.gif/)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Mount Hermon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver

15-11-2009, 07:21 PM

“The Egyptians, in the time of Moses, were proficient in all the arts and sciences, ... Their language was mystical, and their priests secured the mysteries of their religion from the knowledge of the vulgar or uninitiated by symbols and hieroglyphics, comprehensible alone to those of their order. The fraternity of ancient Egypt was denominated by the Hiero-Laotomi, or Sacred Builders. They were a selected caste, and connected with the government and priesthood, being in fact Masons of the priestly order; whilst the ordinary Masons or artificers were of an inferior caste... Moses was initiated into the secrets and mysteries of the priestly order when in Egypt...(A Dictionary of Freemasonry , pg. 8)”

Manly P. Hall, a Freemason and Master Illuminati says the following about ancient Mystery religions and their ties to Freemasonry: “Every pagan nation had [and has) not only its state religion, but another into which the philosophic elect alone have gained entrance. Many of these ancient cults vanished from the earth without revealing their secrets, but a few have survived the test of ages and their mysteries’ symbols are still preserved. Much of the ritualism of Freemasonry is based on the trials to which candidates were subjected by the ancient hierophants before the keys of wisdom were entrusted to them.

Few realize the extent to which the ancient secret schools influenced contemporary intellects and, through those minds, posterity (The Secret Teachings of All Ages - Manly P. Hall, pg. XXI)”

What are the goals of the Freemasonry?

Masonry appears to be a harmless and benevolent organization to the public and the majority of its members, who are in the “Blue Degrees.” It is especially clear to the officials of the Roman Catholic Church and others in the know that Masonry and the Church are locked into a spiritual and psychological battle for the souls on earth. This battle is ideological and that is irreconcilable. William T. Still quotes a French Masonic author Le Couteulx de Canteleu, who wrote Les Sectes et Societies Secretes, in 1863. This book explains the aim of secret societies. “As a whole [it] was, is and will always be the struggle against the Church and the Christian religion, and the struggle of those who have not against those who have .... All secret societies have almost analogous initiations, from the Egyptian to the Illuminati, and most of them form a chain and give rise to others (p. 98).

Secret Teachings of All Ages

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/index.htm

lightgiver

19-11-2009, 05:44 PM

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4775/shrinerfez.jpg (http://img690.imageshack.us/i/shrinerfez.jpg/)

Tommy Cooper - Spoon / Jar - YouTube :)

Pull it

WTC 7 - Pull It By Larry Silverstein - YouTube

The other one.

Tommy Cooper "Magic Cloak" - YouTube

http://ancientegypt.hypermart.net/freemasonry/index.htm

thelonious

19-11-2009, 06:23 PM

Besides being a high ranking freemason and having the distinction of introducing socialism into the American political system, Roosevelt was a member of a secret society called the Ancient Arabic Order of Nobles of the Mystics Shrine (Shriners), attaining the grade of a Knight of Pythias. The Order of Nobles and Mystics claimed to be an offshoot of the Illuminati.

This is not true. The Shriners never claimed anything about being "Illuminati", and the Knights of Pythias are a completely separate, non-Masonic fraternal organization that doesn't have anything to do with the Shriners.

The Shriners were founded for the sole purpose of entertainment. From the childish rituals composed completely of sophomore initiation pranks all the way to the famous Shrine parades where members get to dress up as clowns and drive go-carts, the organization doesn't make any contribution to the field of esoterics or serious philosophy.

lightgiver

19-11-2009, 06:30 PM

This is not true. The Shriners never claimed anything about being "Illuminati", and the Knights of Pythias are a completely separate, non-Masonic fraternal organization that doesn't have anything to do with the Shriners.

The Shriners were founded for the sole purpose of entertainment. From the childish rituals composed completely of sophomore initiation pranks all the way to the famous Shrine parades where members get to dress up as clowns and drive go-carts, the organization doesn't make any contribution to the field of esoterics or serious philosophy.

Whatever you say :)

A Shriner Freemason admits to worshipping Lucifer - YouTube

Off the comments section,

I looked this guys phone number up to call him and his first three digits after the area code are 666. Blew my mind.

Shriners are well known for their "Shriner Circus" where they claim to raise money for their burn hospitals. In June, 1986, a daily newspaper in Florida, the Orlando Sentinel reported that less than 2% of the circus money raised actually went to the hospitals and that, by 1982, the Shriners had become the richest charity in America, amassing $1.2 billion in assets. Of the $17.5 million raised in 1984, $17.3 million went into their own pockets while only $182,051 went to support the hospitals. The Shriner hospitals are a "front" appealing to compassionate hearts in order to accumulate great wealth for the Shriners themselves! Full Article: Orlando Sentinel

http://masonbusters.com/ http://www.scribd.com/doc/4544869/FreeMasonry-Shriners-Eastern-Star-Illuminati-Bilderbergers-and-others

No better than the TV evangelists.

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other; or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You can not serve both God and Mammon.
—Matthew 6:19-21,24

lightgiver

20-11-2009, 12:50 AM

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5629/mammonworship.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/i/mammonworship.jpg/)

thelonious

20-11-2009, 01:37 PM

The Shriner hospitals are a "front" appealing to compassionate hearts in order to accumulate great wealth for the Shriners themselves!

lol. You obviously don't know any Shriners. :D

lightgiver

20-11-2009, 08:33 PM

lol. You obviously don't know any Shriners. :D

Maybe some bankers do :)

One should ask themselves why do we need charity in a so called democratic society,isn't there enough cash to go around or something. :confused:

Maybe we should spend less on wars , death and destruction.

I wonder how much all that costs.

Military budget,

For the 2009 fiscal year, the base budget of the Department of Defence rose to $518.3 billion. Adding emergency discretionary spending, supplemental spending, and stimulus spending brings the sum to $651.2 billion.

America’s defense spending since 9/11 has nearly doubled. Since 2001, the total U.S. federal budget has grown nearly 90 percent. Under President Obama, 2010 will clock in at $3.55 trillion.

kadosh

21-11-2009, 12:10 AM

AAONMS: There are approximately 400,000 Shriners now. They gather in temples, or chapters, throughout the United States, Canada, Mexico and the Republic of Panama. There are 22 Shriners Hospitals for Children providing care for orthopaedic conditions, burns, spinal cord injuries, and cleft lip and palate. These hospitals have helped approximately 835,000 children — at no cost to parent or child — since the first Shriners Hospital opened in 1922.

On September 26, 1872, the first temple in the United States was organized in the New York City Masonic Hall. Charles T. McClenachan and Dr. Fleming had completed the ritual and proposed that the first temple be named Mecca. The original 13 Masons of the Knickerbocker Cottage lunch group were named Charter Members of Mecca Temple (now Mecca Shriners). - http://www.shrinershq.org/files/shrine/PDF/SONA_Short_History_Booklet.pdf

lightgiver

21-11-2009, 12:34 AM

kadosh

21-11-2009, 12:42 AM

You have obviously not read any of the posts and are putting a little spin on the whole sordid affair.:)
Yes, I have read all the posts! Your cut and paste text that is copied from various sources is biased propaganda. Try doing some proper research on topics first. It will save you the embarrassment of being proven wrong.

lightgiver

21-11-2009, 12:44 AM

Yes, I have read all the posts! Your cut and paste text that is copied from various sources is biased propaganda. Try doing some proper research on topics first. It will save you the embarrassment of being proven wrong.

You are all just masters of deception, it is your training.

BTW what is that copy and paste job you have just done above,kettle calling pot eh,if you think I am going to sit here and type info out you are dreaming.

Still on shifts I see.:)

boots

21-11-2009, 02:36 AM

Mason Shriner Congressman Joe Wilson.

http://lefemineforlife.blogspot.com/2008/05/mason-shriner-congressman-cafta-joe.html

In the 2007 South Carolina Legislative Manual, Republican South Carolina Congressman ("CAFTA") Joe Wilson includes the following information listed in his biographical data: "Columbia World Affairs Council; First Presbyterian Church, Columbia; ... ; Sons of Confederate Veterans; Fellowship of Christian Athletes; Sinclair Lodge No. 154; Jamil Temple; WOW; ..."

[ Sinclair Lodge No. 154 - Masons ]
[ Jamil Temple - Shriners ]

Freemasonry is ecumenical in practice, (falsely) asserting that there are many ways, through many religions, to have relationship with the Creator, and to attain heaven. This is in direct conflict with the clear teaching of the Bible, and the authoritative words of the Saviour Himself, Who said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me." John 14:6

The ecumenical teaching of Freemasonry is therefore unbiblical. Christianity is incompatible with Freemasonry.

Joe Wilson, who, contrary to his word to his constituents, cast a deciding vote for the New World Order's globalist "Central American Free Trade Agreement" (CAFTA) on July 28, 2005, is a Mason and Shriner.

By his enthusiastic support for the New World Order's unconstitutional, illegal, unjustified, and therefore immoral War in Iraq, and his oath-breaking vote for the American-sovereignty-destroying CAFTA legislation, it is clear that Joe Wilson is not upholding his Oath of Office as a Congressman. By his continued, long-term involvement in Freemasonry, highlighted by his Freemasonry award at this World Masonic Conference in Washington, D.C., it is clear, more importantly, that Joe Wilson is not upholding his profession as a Christian. A man cannot serve both the false god(s) of Freemasonry and the God of the Bible.

"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Matthew 6:24

Adluh Flour Mills produces flour and cornmeal products in a plant that is listed on the National Register of Historic Properties. In 1942 there were 42 operating mills located in South Carolina. Today only one of these remains – Adluh Flour Mills in Columbia. For more information about the shipment of Adluh, call Jack Edgerton, President of Allen Brothers Milling Company at 803-779-2460.
http://sc.gov/NR/rdonlyres/C5070D9C-3EF0-4386-BC70-BBAB7189CAE3/2863/adluh1A.jpg

http://republicandirtytricks.com/Images/town_hall_Joe_wilson_Congress.jpg

lightgiver

21-11-2009, 07:14 PM

Good post there boots:)

Maybe the bankers and co could help out the charity's eh :rolleyes: Kadosh.

thelonious

23-11-2009, 03:17 PM

One should ask themselves why do we need charity in a so called democratic society,isn't there enough cash to go around or something.

The United States is the only advanced western democracy without some form of universal health care. Here, there are millions of uninsured people, and many millions more who are underinsured. The Shriners Childrens Hospitals and Shrine Burn Centers help this unfortunate situation to a point.

As to your question, yes, there is plenty to go around. But trying to make changes to the system is a very difficult one. We need, for example, a single-payer health care system where everyone is insured, but the US Congress can't even agree to allow even a public option, much less in granting full Medicare coverage to everybody.

Maybe we should spend less on wars , death and destruction.

I wonder how much all that costs.

No argument there. The money used in the Iraqi and Afghani wars could have easily covered everybody with health insurance, with plenty left over. And it's the same people protesting expanding health care coverage that want to spend even more tax dollars on war.

thelonious

23-11-2009, 03:19 PM

Mason Shriner Congressman Joe Wilson.

It is true that Wilson is a Mason. But there are just as many Masons on the other side of the political spectrum who oppose Wilson's policies.

kadosh

23-11-2009, 03:37 PM

The so-called current health care system in the United States of America is a disgrace. Special interest groups are part of the problem as are lobbyists on behalf of insurance companies who do not want change. It is unbelievable how the US citizens have accepted the matter for so many years. Even now many are against reform - basically they either have company based coverage that they pay a small amount for each month or are rich enough to cover their own costs. Even the Scottish Rite in the USA provides a free speech therapy clinic services for children because the government does not. - http://www.scottishrite.org/what/phil/southcentral.htm

coco

23-11-2009, 04:04 PM

A lot of folks are adverse to health care reform as they are concerned about the quality of care 'socialized medicine' has been purported to offer - as we Americans have heard it, it's deplorable; worse even than HMO.

I'm not saying that's the way it is, it is what we've been sold as the accurate picture.

There are folks who are against the tax hike the health care reform will incur as well, as we have heard is the case in other countries.

But then there is the cost of medical care of prescriptions that place so many people in dire financial straits and they cry out for change.

Yes, folks who are opposed to strongly opposed to health care reform are probably the lobbies and those who have affordable health care - probably a group plan with preferred option.

thelonious

23-11-2009, 06:08 PM

I'm not saying that's the way it is, it is what we've been sold as the accurate picture.

There are folks who are against the tax hike the health care reform will incur as well, as we have heard is the case in other countries.

Yeah, there's a lot of bad propaganda out there. With the taxes, they only tell part of the story.

In single-payer systems, like in Canada and western Europe, payroll taxes are indeed a bit higher. But what the anti-reform Americans aren't telling people is that even though those citizens pay higher taxes, they actually have a net saving because they don't have to pay insurance premiums, co-pays, and deductibles.

We already have such a system in the United States in Medicare. It's just that here in the USA, only those 65 and older qualify, whereas in single-payer systems, all citizens have full coverage under Medicare from the moment they're born till the moment they die. Since Canada, for example, has a higher life expectancy than the US, as well as a lower infant mortality rate, the argument that health care in medicare-for-all countries is lower quality doesn't hold water.

The World Health Organization did a study, rating each nation on the best health care, in reagrds to both quality and access. The United States is listed at number 37, just above the so-called third world nations, due to lack of access and high costs.

coco

23-11-2009, 06:26 PM

On the subject of Medicare: Folks have to opt as to which additional parts they wish and pay for them as they pay for A and B already. Many folks are on limited, fixed incomes and may not be able to do so.

http://www.medicare.gov/Publications/Pubs/pdf/10116.pdf

Deciding how you get your health care is important. One way to get Medicare coverage is through Original Medicare.

You can get Part A (Hospital Insurance) and Part B (Medical Insurance) coverage in Original Medicare and add prescription drug coverage (sometimes called “Part D”) for an additional monthly premium.

Another way to get Medicare coverage is through a Medicare health plan, like an HMO or PPO. These plans are offered by private companies.

The most common type of Medicare health plan is a Medicare Advantage Plan, which is sometimes called “Part C.” Medicare Advantage Plans provide all of your Part A and Part B coverage and must cover at least all of the medically-necessary services that Original Medicare provides. However, Medicare Advantage Plans can charge different copayments, coinsurances, and deductibles. Most of these plans cover extra benefits like vision, hearing, dental coverage, and Medicare prescription drug coverage.

And it just goes from there.

There are many folks on Medicare and Medicaid and the quality of care and convenience isn't what it's cracked up to be according to some people I have known. The point is government bureaucracy has created a terrible quagmire for people who require these services. I worry that the same government that is trying to sell and construct health care reform is going to create another bureaucratic nightmare with this. Otherwise, yes, I am pro health care reform.

lightgiver

23-11-2009, 06:46 PM

The United States is the only advanced western democracy without some form of universal health care. Here, there are millions of uninsured people, and many millions more who are underinsured. The Shriners Childrens Hospitals and Shrine Burn Centers help this unfortunate situation to a point.

As to your question, yes, there is plenty to go around. But trying to make changes to the system is a very difficult one. We need, for example, a single-payer health care system where everyone is insured, but the US Congress can't even agree to allow even a public option, much less in granting full Medicare coverage to everybody.

No argument there. The money used in the Iraqi and Afghani wars could have easily covered everybody with health insurance, with plenty left over. And it's the same people protesting expanding health care coverage that want to spend even more tax dollars on war.

There should be no need for charity in a fair democratic society and all health care for everyone should be free.:)

People are forgetting yet again how much these corrupt banks and the bankers have just been bailed out with trillions of dollars.

Ye shall reap what ye sow,just a matter of time.

Things only become difficult when the 3 poisons are clouding peoples judgements.

A lot of people know the whole system is corrupt and run by corrupt selfish people no matter what part of the world the poor live.

It needs sorting urgently.

thelonious

23-11-2009, 07:17 PM

There should be no need for charity in a fair democratic society and all health care for everyone should be free.:)

Well, it obviously can't be free, but it can be free at the point of service, like it is every where else. It has to be paid for, but it can be paid for much cheaper through a comprehensive single-payer plan, like Canadian Medicare.

lightgiver

23-11-2009, 07:18 PM

Well, it obviously can't be free, but it can be free at the point of service, like it is every where else. It has to be paid for, but it can be paid for much cheaper through a comprehensive single-payer plan, like Canadian Medicare.

Why cant it be free :confused:

Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes … known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.… No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.

World Military Spending

Global military expenditure stands at over $1.46 trillion in annual expenditure at current prices for 2008, and has been rising in recent years.

Constant 2005 dollar values are used for comparing past years, where the the 2008 spending amount is over $1.2 trillion:

http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending#WorldMilitarySpending

I suppose WAR is BIG business.

* World military expenditure in 2008 is estimated to have reached $1.464 trillion in current dollars (just over $1.2 trillion in 2005 constant dollars, as per above graph);
* This represents a 4 per cent increase in real terms since 2007 and a 45 per cent increase over the 10-year period since 1999;
* This corresponds to 2.4 per cent of world gross domestic product (GDP), or $217 for each person in the world;
* The USA with its massive spending budget, is the principal determinant of the current world trend, and its military expenditure now accounts for just under half of the world total, at 41.5% of the world total.

and this is not forgetting all the other country's ran by Nutters.

stewart edwards

23-11-2009, 07:24 PM

coco

23-11-2009, 07:32 PM

I have relatives who are American citizens. One recently told me that she was offered a cheaper insurance policy and it looked like for like so she went for it, only to then find that she couldnt see a doctor for the first few months. OK she should have read the policy better (sorry if you are reading) but imagine having a good job and not being able to go to the doctors when you get ill.

If that were me back in Feb/Mar I may be dead as an infected cut in my ear nearly saw the end of me in a matter of days really.

Personally I think that I would be wifeless if we lived over there as my relatives tell us that my wife wouldnt get medical insurance full stop. Thats the reality of the situation.

If that be the case you could have gone to the emergency room at your local hospital where your situation would have been triaged. Based upon the degree of your emergency would have determined how soon you would have been seen.

Policies have ER stipulations written in but the details of the contingencies vary policy to policy. You may have had to pay 'out the wazoo' for the emergency visit if the policy had a 90 day or what have you contingency, but you would have been able to obtain care - possibly as an indegent.

If you have a continuing health issue, obtaining coverage can be challenging and can be very expensive when you find a policy that will accept you. And yes, family coverage can be very expensive as well.

thelonious

23-11-2009, 09:05 PM

Why cant it be free :confused:

Because somebody has to pay hospital staff, who are generally working 60+ hours per week.

lightgiver

23-11-2009, 09:42 PM

Because somebody has to pay hospital staff, who are generally working 60+ hours per week.

Yes out of that massive military war killing machine budget what the people pay for :)

and if they got payed more they could work less hours and more people could fill the vacancies,more jobs to go around and less hours to work.

quite easy when you think of it.

boots

23-11-2009, 09:51 PM

Because somebody has to pay hospital staff, who are generally working 60+ hours per week.

Good sheep mentality.

The governments have the constitutional right to print money to pay for services. But that wont change with the masons in government positions.

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boots

23-11-2009, 09:56 PM

It is true that Wilson is a Mason. But there are just as many Masons on the other side of the political spectrum who oppose Wilson's policies.

Yeah, it's called controlled opposition.

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stewart edwards

23-11-2009, 10:11 PM

Yes out of that massive military war killing machine budget what the people pay for :)

and if they got payed more they could work less hours and more people could fill the vacancies,more jobs to go around and less hours to work.

quite easy when you think of it.Indeed.

However, given that it is the men with guns that have the dosh and influence, how do you propose to get them to have a change of heart?

1. You would need something more financially lucrative.
2. Which was more ego appealing.
3. Which continued to offer "power".

coco

23-11-2009, 10:21 PM

[QUOTE=stewart edwards;1058433114]Indeed.

However, given that it is the men with guns that have the dosh and influence, how do you propose to get them to have a change of heart?

1. You would need something more financially lucrative.
2. Which was more ego appealing.
3. Which continued to offer "power".

One option could be to build a space fleet, but any of our neighbours may not want such warmongers "Out there" uncontained from this planet. Imagine the potential mineral weath opportunities, and new technological growth opportunities theirin even in a world where Earth harboured the only life out there.

Not at all loony sounding. Believe it or not I watched 'The Day the Earth Stood Still' (1951) this weekend for the first time. I'm probably the only American who had not seen it - Lol!

Anyway, a visitor from outer space who said he is from a 'neighboring' planet came to Earth to warn us not to venture our deadly weapons and selfish aspirations into the heavens or his planet, and others, would have to take defensive actions to include total destruction of our planet.

When you mentioned the potential of unbridled mineral wealth and other opportunities that may lie in such a venture I was reminded of that. It would be one of the greatest wealth building programs the likes never before heard, more so than the shysters who made their fortunes in the New World when it first became fashionable to do so.

I don't rule such a thing out at all.

stewart edwards

23-11-2009, 10:31 PM

I don't rule such a thing out at all.Neither do I. Which is one reason why I wrote, an as yet unpulished, philosophy book about the place of the human race at this moment in time. A good chunk of it deals with trading with alien species.:D

Mainstream science already largely accepts the inevitability of life out there - search for "Astrobiology" along with astrophysics and astrochemistry. The professional publications in the field make good reading (if you are a sad case like me:eek:)

lightgiver

23-11-2009, 10:36 PM

Indeed.

However, given that it is the men with guns that have the dosh and influence, how do you propose to get them to have a change of heart?

1. You would need something more financially lucrative.
2. Which was more ego appealing.
3. Which continued to offer "power".

Stop giving them the peoples money.:)

Quite easy when you think of it.

stewart edwards

23-11-2009, 10:47 PM

Stop giving them the peoples money.:)

Quite easy when you think of it.I agree. But bear with me lightgiver.

How would you achieve it without:-

1. You or your family being kidnapped/toprtured/assassinated/blackmailed etc. And then simply replaced with a yes man?

2. Starting the meltdown of your country as said blokes take revenge and incite civil war/nuke your country/arm every criminal going whilst putting them on drugs/using their contacts to remove every drop of liquidity from your country?

3. If you happen to be a major exporter of arms how would you deal with the economic consequences of the industry being scrapped, with inevitable protests etc as the eocmony of some towns disappears overnight.

4. It is easy to say no more and stop the money flow by not ordering, but how would you deal with black budget stuff?

Practical solutions are what are required. So if you were to be elected Prime Minister tomorrow what precisely would you do. Just cut the orders and money flow and keep your fingers crossed?

lightgiver

23-11-2009, 11:01 PM

I agree. But bear with me lightgiver.

How would you achieve it without:-

1. You or your family being kidnapped/toprtured/assassinated/blackmailed etc. And then simply replaced with a yes man?

2. Starting the meltdown of your country as said blokes take revenge and incite civil war/nuke your country/arm every criminal going whilst putting them on drugs/using their contacts to remove every drop of liquidity from your country?

3. If you happen to be a major exporter of arms how would you deal with the economic consequences of the industry being scrapped, with inevitable protests etc as the eocmony of some towns disappears overnight.

4. It is easy to say no more and stop the money flow by not ordering, but how would you deal with black budget stuff?

Practical solutions are what are required. So if you were to be elected Prime Minister tomorrow what precisely would you do. Just cut the orders and money flow and keep your fingers crossed?

All the above is created from all the corruption in the 1 st place.(ordo ab chao)

It is called crisis creation.

Example if all drugs were legal then you stop the flow of illegal drugs, the trouble is the Government's control the drugs market,come on stewart how stupid do you think we are.:)

and another thing why do you think TPTB stopped Hemp cultivation.

thelonious

24-11-2009, 01:29 PM

Good sheep mentality.

The governments have the constitutional right to print money to pay for services. But that wont change with the masons in government positions.

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You don't seem to understand the concept of inflation.

The government can print all the paper money it wants to, but the more there is in circulation, the less value it has. For example, say the Treasury printed twice the amount of paper money in current circulation, and handed it out to everybody. Everybody would have twice as much paper money as they do now, but the value of the dollar would fall to half what it is now, and prices for goods would double. So that doesn't solve anything.

To lightgiver:

Yes, I agree that way too much money is spent on military expenditures. With health care, it can be free at the point of service, with a single-payer system. It still has to be paid for, but it's done mostly through payroll taxes. Government becomes the single payer through a Medicare system, and the insurance middle man, currently pulling in billions in profits, is eliminated. Those profits go back into the system and pay for people's health care, which is enough money to cover everybody.

lightgiver

24-11-2009, 07:09 PM

To lightgiver:

Yes, I agree that way too much money is spent on military expenditures. With health care, it can be free at the point of service, with a single-payer system. It still has to be paid for, but it's done mostly through payroll taxes. Government becomes the single payer through a Medicare system, and the insurance middle man, currently pulling in billions in profits, is eliminated. Those profits go back into the system and pay for people's health care, which is enough money to cover everybody.

:)

Will it ever happen though?

any way I am done with this debate,its stinking corrupt no matter how one looks at it.I just feel sorry for those on the receiving end of it.

coco

24-11-2009, 07:16 PM

Yes, I agree that way too much money is spent on military expenditures. With health care, it can be free at the point of service, with a single-payer system. It still has to be paid for, but it's done mostly through payroll taxes. Government becomes the single payer through a Medicare system, and the insurance middle man, currently pulling in billions in profits, is eliminated. Those profits go back into the system and pay for people's health care, which is enough money to cover everybody.:)

Will it ever happen though?

Great quote with lightgiver asking the million dollar question. I think, sadly, the answer can be found in thelonious' quote (bolded).

thelonious

24-11-2009, 08:32 PM

:)

Will it ever happen though?

Maybe. The current reform bill in the Senate lacks the comprehensive structure we need, but it is ingenious because it includes the so-called "public option", i.e., the formation of a non-profit insurance company administered by the government, like Medicare.

If passed, over time, more and more people will buy into the public plan because it will be cheaper than the for-profit private plans. It would therefore pave the way to a single-payer system.

HR 676, sponsored by Conyers and Kucinich in the House, is itself a single-payer bill, but was pushed to the side by more conservative Democrats. Nevertheless, it has almost a hundred sponsors, and is growing.

lightgiver

24-11-2009, 11:07 PM

Maybe. The current reform bill in the Senate lacks the comprehensive structure we need, but it is ingenious because it includes the so-called "public option", i.e., the formation of a non-profit insurance company administered by the government, like Medicare.

If passed, over time, more and more people will buy into the public plan because it will be cheaper than the for-profit private plans. It would therefore pave the way to a single-payer system.

HR 676, sponsored by Conyers and Kucinich in the House, is itself a single-payer bill, but was pushed to the side by more conservative Democrats. Nevertheless, it has almost a hundred sponsors, and is growing.

That sounds good in word,lets see what happens in reality.:)

boots

25-11-2009, 07:55 AM

You don't seem to understand the concept of inflation.

The government can print all the paper money it wants to, but the more there is in circulation, the less value it has. For example, say the Treasury printed twice the amount of paper money in current circulation, and handed it out to everybody. Everybody would have twice as much paper money as they do now, but the value of the dollar would fall to half what it is now, and prices for goods would double. So that doesn't solve anything.

LOL.

What do you think they are doing now in every western country, with all the bank bail out's. Printing money.

I understand about the economics thelonious. Supply and demand, CPI. Also you may note Adam Smith was a freemason.

What you might not understand is that the Fed Reserve is a privately owned bank. Since the law is founded on Christian principals and Usury is forbidden. Then inflation is a scam.

The government has the right to print money for major infrastructure and government services then there is no inflation. Inflation is tied to wages and salaries. Which is another scam within it's self with regards to inflation.

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thelonious

25-11-2009, 01:27 PM

LOL.

What do you think they are doing now in every western country, with all the bank bail out's. Printing money.

They are not printing extra money to pay for the bailout. They have borrowed most of it from the People's Republic of China.

I understand about the economics thelonious. Supply and demand, CPI. Also you may note Adam Smith was a freemason.

In all probability, Adam Smith was not a Mason.

http://www2.gol.com/users/lodge1/history-e/papers/terasawa.html

What you might not understand is that the Fed Reserve is a privately owned bank. Since the law is founded on Christian principals and Usury is forbidden. Then inflation is a scam.

What law do you think was founded on "Christian principles"?

grandsecretary

25-11-2009, 02:08 PM

They are not printing extra money to pay for the bailout. They have borrowed most of it from the People's Republic of China.

In all probability, Adam Smith was not a Mason.

http://www2.gol.com/users/lodge1/history-e/papers/terasawa.html

What law do you think was founded on "Christian principles"?

Wrong. The USA has not borrowed money from China. I am not aware that China prints US dollars, and I am also unaware that the Yen has become legal tender in the United State of America.

coco

25-11-2009, 03:13 PM

What you might not understand is that the Fed Reserve is a privately owned bank. Since the law is founded on Christian principals and Usury is forbidden. Then inflation is a scam.

FYI only, please note bolded:

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

Treaty of Tripoli, 1796-1797

Annals of Congress, 5th Congress

Article 1. There is a firm and perpetual peace and friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary, made by the free consent of both parties, and guarantied by the most potent Dey and Regency of Algiers.

Art. 2. If any goods belonging to any nation with which either of the parties is at war, shall be loaded on board of vessels belonging to the other party, they shall pass free, and no attempt shall be made to take or detain them.

Art. 3. If any citizens , subjects, or effects, belonging to either party, shall be found on board a prize vessel taken from an enemy by the other party, such citizens or subjects shall be set at liberty, and the effects restored to the owners.

Art. 4. Proper passports are to be given to all vessels of both parties, by which they are to be known. And considering the distance between the two countries, eighteen months from the date of this treaty, shall be allowed for procuring such passports. During this interval the other papers, belonging to such vessels, shall be sufficient for their protection.

Art. 5. A citizen or subject of either party having bought a prize vessel, condemned by the other party, or by any other nation, the certificates of condemnation and bill of sale shall be a sufficient passport for such vessel for one year; this being a reasonable time for her to procure a proper passport.

Art. 6. Vessels of either party, putting into the ports of the other, and having need of provisions or other supplies, they shall be furnished at the market price. And if any such vessel shall so put in, from a disaster at sea, and have occasion to repair, she shall be at liberty to land and re-embark her cargo without paying any duties. But in case shall she be compelled to the land her cargo.

Art. 7. Should a vessel of either party be cast on the shore of the other, all proper assistance shall be given to her and her people; no pillage shall be allowed; the property shall remain at the disposition of the owners; and the crew protectedand succored till they can be sent to their country.

Art. 8. If a vessel of either party should be attacked by an enemy, within gun-shot of the forts of the other , she shall be defended as much as possible. If she be in port she shall not be seized on or attacked, when it is in the power of the other party to protect her. And when she proceeds to sea, no enemy shall be allowed to pursue her from the same port, within twenty-four hours after her departure.

Art. 9. The commerce between the United States and Tripoli; the protection to be given to merchants, masters of vessels, and seamen; the reciprocal right of the establishing Consuls in each country; and the privileges, immunities, and jurisdiction, to be on the same footing with those of the most favored nations respectively.

Art. 10. The money and presents demanded by the Bey of Tripoli, as a full and satisfactory consideration on his part, and on the part of his subjects, for this treaty of perpetual peace and friendship, are acknowledged to have been received by him previous to his signing the same, according to a receipt which is hereto annexed, except such as part as is promised, on the part of the United States, to be delivered and paid by them on the arrival of their Consul in Tripoli; of which part a note is likewise hereto annexed. And no pretense of any periodical tribute of further payments is ever to be made by either party.

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Art. 12. In case of any dispute, arising from a violation of any of the articles of this treaty, no appeal shall be made to arms; nor shall war be declared on any pretext whatever. But if the Consul, residing at the place where the dispute shall happen, shall not be able to settle the same, an amicable referrence shall be made to the mutual friend of the parties, the Dey of Algiers; the parties hereby engaging to abide by his decision. And he, by virtue of his signature to this treaty, engages for himself and successors to declare the justice of the case, according to the true interpretation of the treaty, and to use all the means in his power to enforce the observance of the same.

Signed and sealed at Tripoli of Barbary the 3d day of Junad in the year of the Hegira 1211— corresponding with the 4th day of November, 1796, by

JUSSOF BASHAW MAHOMET, Bey.
MAMET, Treasurer.
AMET, Minister of Marine.
SOLIMAN KAYA.
GALIL, General of the Troops.
MAHOMET, Commander of the City.
AMET, Chamberlain.
ALLY, Chief of the Divan.
MAMET, Secretary.

Signed and sealed at Algiers, the 4th day of Argill, 1211—corresponding with the 3d day of
January, 1797, by

HASSAN BASHAW, Dey,

And by the agent Plenipotentiary of the United States of America,

JOEL BARLOW.

thelonious

25-11-2009, 03:53 PM

Wrong. The USA has not borrowed money from China.

Your ignorance of our current political system is duly noted. The United States currently owes China 800 billion dollars.

coco

25-11-2009, 04:26 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/16/markets/thebuzz/index.htm

China still likes us ... for now
The Treasury keeps churning out debt and China is still buying. But with the dollar faltering and a trade spat brewing, will China continue to buy U.S. bonds?

Last Updated: September 16, 2009: 1:53 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- It looks as if China still can't get enough of one of America's finest exports: our debt........

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http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt

MAJOR FOREIGN HOLDERS OF TREASURY SECURITIES
(in billions of dollars)
HOLDINGS 1/ AT END OF PERIOD

[There are numerous nations on the list, however, Mainland China is the number one spot as of this report's date - Coco]

(Month/Year)

China, Mainland (09/09) $798.9 (08/09) $797.1 (07/09) $800.5 (06/09) $776.4 (05/09) $801.5 (04/09) $763.5 (03/09) $767.9 (02/09) $744.2 (01/09) $739.6 (12/08) $727.4 (11/08) $713.2 (10/08) $684.1 (09/08) $618.2

------------------
[emphasis by Coco]

http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=2460.1126.0.0

The Looming Dangers of American Debt

June 7, 2006 | From theTrumpet.com
America has become a nation of debtors. Increasingly, that debt is held by foreign nations—some of which are enemies.

............The U.S. national debt now stands at more than $8.3 trillion, of which more than $2 trillion is owned by foreigners. Since 2000, the percentage of U.S. public debt owed to foreigners has doubled.

Take China for example. As of March of this year [2006], China held over $321 billion worth of U.S. Treasuries, up from the $60 billion it owned at the end of 2000. Similarly, Japan now owns $640 billion worth of U.S. Treasuries, up from $317.7 billion in December 2000. Lately, however, America has also borrowed heavily from oil exporter nations (as defined by the Department of the Treasury), which include many nations that despise America. Luminaries such as Venezuela, Ecuador, Iran, Libya, Algeria, Indonesia and Iraq, and several other primarily Middle Eastern nations, now own $98 billion worth of U.S. debt.............

lightgiver

25-11-2009, 06:44 PM

coco

25-11-2009, 06:58 PM

It is all a bit of a orchestrated mess isn't it.

and on top of all that we have all this to contend with,check post 91,

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92392&page=10

Yes it appears we have very wise and compassionate folks in charge :rolleyes:

If only.

Well said plainsight.

Indeed, well said.

Is it a matter of various greedy agendas ultimately merging as one big monster or has it always been one big monster?

lightgiver

25-11-2009, 07:12 PM

Indeed, well said.

Is it a matter of various greedy agendas ultimately merging as one big monster or has it always been one big monster?

At least more and more people are becoming aware of the beast,so we all can start fighting the demons within and without.

we all feed it sometimes and we are all responsible.:)

This beatle song kinda sums it up,

We were talking-about the space between us all
And the people-who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion
Never glimpse the truth-then it's far too late-when they pass away.
We were talking-about the love we all could share-when we find it
To try our best to hold it there-with our love
With our love-we could save the world-if they only knew.
Try to realize it's all within yourself
No-one else can make you change
And to see you're really only very small,
And life flows ON within you and without you.
We were talking-about the love that's gone so cold and the people,
Who gain the world and lose their soul-
They don't know-they can't see-are you one of them?
When you've seen beyond yourself-then you may find, peace of mind,
Is waiting there-
And the time will come when you see
we're all one, and life flows on within you and without you.

thelonious

25-11-2009, 07:46 PM

lightgiver

25-11-2009, 10:54 PM

I have to agree with Lightgiver, at least on this one. The wars being fought for the past 8 years in Iraq and Afghanistan have been fought, for the most part, on Chinese dime. If we were going to get into that kind of debt anyway, we could have have used it to help people instead of buying weapons to kill them.

and we all know about the massive military killing machine that the people pay for.

Presidents even get killed if it is threatened.

everyone is responsible.:)

boots

25-11-2009, 11:39 PM

FYI only, please note bolded:

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

Treaty of Tripoli, 1796-1797

Annals of Congress, 5th Congress

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Hi coco,

http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html

Thanks had a look at that.

Some quotes from our forefathers admitting they are and were Christains and founded this nation upon Judo/Christain principals

"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.
--George Washington
(1st President of the United States)
[Attributed -- Walker P. Whitman, A Christian History of the American Republic: A Textbook for Secondary Schools, (Boston: Green Leaf Press, 1939,1948),42.; Henry Halley, Halley's Bible Handbook (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1927, 1965), p.18; Gary DeMar, America's Christian History: The Untold Story (Atlanta, GA: American Vision, Publishers, Inc., 1993), p.58.]

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest Glory to laud the more distinguished Character of Christian. The signal instances of Providential goodness which we have experienced and which have now almost crowned our labors with complete success demand from us a peculiar manner the warmest returns of gratitude and piety to the Supreme Author of all good."
-- George Washington
(General of the Continental Army at this time)
[Orders issued on May 2, 1778 by George Washington to his troops at Valley Forge]

"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
-- James Madison
(Chief Architect of the US Constitution, 4th President of the U.S.)
[Attributed (1778) -- Gary DeMar, God and Government - A Biblical and Historical Study (Atlanta, GA: American Vision Press, 1982); Benjamin Hart, Faith & Freedom - The Christian Roots of American Liberty (Dallas, TX: Lewis and Stanley, 1988), p. 18; David Barton, The Myth of Separation (Aledo, TX: Wallbuilder Press, 1991), p. 120]

Many will try and deny the fact law is not based on Christian principals. Yet the Queen of England on her coronation said holding the KJB "this is the greatest book the world could afford" All judges of commonwealth countries pledge an oath to the queen.

The US is changing to that as well. You will start to notice on products made in the US Capital lettering for states, such as MC or MO commonwealth. Keep an eye open for it and look at the fine print. This is what I have been told by a US citizen.

All things goes back to England coco.

For a different view on things. Please have a look at this web site.

http://www.lonang.com/curriculum/s01.htm

.

boots

26-11-2009, 12:09 AM

They are not printing extra money to pay for the bailout. They have borrowed most of it from the People's Republic of China.

Nope. China has bought government bonds, which intern come's from the federal reserve. The bail out money came directly from the Federal Reserve which relies of taxes from the American people to pay it back.

A side note: What backs the Treasury Bonds? It's not gold cause you dont have any and that standard was dropped by Nixon.

In all probability, Adam Smith was not a Mason.

http://www2.gol.com/users/lodge1/history-e/papers/terasawa.html

http://www2.gol.com/users/lodge1/history-e/papers/terasawa.html

Was Adam Smith a Freemason? There is no recognition in his personal records as a Freemason, because after his death on 17 June 1790 at the age of 67, all documents and material concerning his personal life or personality were burned for some reason, and also nothing was discovered in the records of lodges in Edinburgh District to recognize that he was a Freemason. So, probably he was not. However his life was just like that of a Freemason. After the publication of his book “The Wealth of Nations” in 1776, he was awarded by the Scottish Government with the guarantee of £600 per year as a life annuity and his annual income became £900 including his wages as Commissioner of Customs in Scotland and royalty on his books. This level of income was 3 to 4 times of normal income for the university professors at that time. But in spite of his wealth, he lived a very simple life. He was not married and lived his simple life with his Mother in Edinburgh. After his death, it became clear that he spent over 90% of his annual income donating anonymously to philanthropic charity relieving people who need help, which was made clear afterwards by the donated side. Furthermore aided some young outstanding artists and scholars by hosting Oyster Club as well. His life was like Freemasons indeed through the tenet of “Brotherly Love, Relief and Truth”.

In the period of the second half of 18th century, the situation in Europe was a turbulent one with the American War of Independence (1775 to 1783), the French Revolution (1789 to 1799), the War between Great Britain and France (1793) etc., and many people of intellectual classes, including Burns and Smith, being involved to some extent in these dramatic changes. The interesting thing is that people in the intellectual classes were connected through some kind of fraternal networks to assist each other, even in the different areas of interests such as poetry, economy, politics, philosophy, medicine, law etc. In fact, Adam Smith had some connections to Benjamin Franklin (1706 – 1790), a well known Freemason, Thomas Jefferson and other leaders in America, France, and he is a very interesting scholar at that period in Europe as well as the possibility of a connection to Freemason.

Pity they burnt all his documents.

What law do you think was founded on "Christian principles"?

Refer to above post thelonious.

Is there not a bible in every court room in the US?

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lightgiver

26-11-2009, 06:15 PM

On any given night in America, anywhere from 700,000 to 2 million people are homeless, according to estimates of the National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty.

and growing

I know bail out the banks with trillions and then throw people out of their homes because they cannot keep up with a corrupt banking and political system.

The most proximate cause of homelessness in America is poverty.

Homeless Children in America - YouTube

homeless in america - YouTube

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/09/09/homeless-in-america-getting-by-on-chess-and-goodwill-as-the-rec/

Absolutely outrageous.:(

http://jezebel.com/5167276/child-homelessness-in-america-is-a-growing-problem

Homeless in America’s tent cities

http://chuckwarnockblog.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/homeless-in-americas-tent-cities/

lightgiver

26-11-2009, 06:44 PM

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steal from the poor and give to the rich.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1831/grf01.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/grf01.jpg/)

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7610/obamafraud2.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/obamafraud2.jpg/)

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No sun will shine in my day today; (no sun will shine)
The high yellow moon won't come out to play:
(that high yellow moon won't come out to play)
I said darkness has covered my light,
(and the stage) And has changed my day into night, yeah.
Where is the love to be found??????????????????
Won't someone tell me?
'Cause my (sweet life) life must be somewhere to be found -
Instead of concrete jungle
Where the living is harder (concrete, jungle!).

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8629/starvingchild.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/starvingchild.jpg/)

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coco

26-11-2009, 10:41 PM

Hi coco,

http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html

Thanks had a look at that.

Some quotes from our forefathers admitting they are and were Christains and founded this nation upon Judo/Christain principals........

Thank you, Boots.

I don't think there could be a denial that the founding fathers held faith, at least to a degree and that the basics of US law is indeed based in Judo/Christian principle. Heh, but yes, you're right, there are those who do who oppose that idea.

Article 11 has had my ears perked up for some time as it does seem contradictory to everything we have been told or come to assume, but it is an official document of treaty between nations unlike when Washington and others spoke of The Creator; they were speaking inspiringly to the people, and as representatives of the government, they were pretty pressed to maintain a separation of church and state.

Please forgive me as I have not yet looked at the link you provided; been busy today but now that I'm pretty well finished with today's chores I will delight in reading your offering. I just wanted to get back to you to let you know I am not ignoring or avoiding. :)

boots

29-11-2009, 01:44 AM

Thank you, Boots.

I don't think there could be a denial that the founding fathers held faith, at least to a degree and that the basics of US law is indeed based in Judo/Christian principle. Heh, but yes, you're right, there are those who do who oppose that idea.

Article 11 has had my ears perked up for some time as it does seem contradictory to everything we have been told or come to assume, but it is an official document of treaty between nations unlike when Washington and others spoke of The Creator; they were speaking inspiringly to the people, and as representatives of the government, they were pretty pressed to maintain a separation of church and state.

Please forgive me as I have not yet looked at the link you provided; been busy today but now that I'm pretty well finished with today's chores I will delight in reading your offering. I just wanted to get back to you to let you know I am not ignoring or avoiding. :)

No Thank you coco.

That was very enlightening to read that treaty. I would have never known about it if it wasn't for you bringing it up in that post.

Very interesting that they would place an article in a treaty that denied the existence of Christianity within in the government of the US. It's true on the surface but that might just benefit a masonic agenda.

Really I dont know of any treaty the US kept or held too. As Chief Red cloud said " They have made us many promises and only kept one. They promised to take our land and they took it".

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coco

29-11-2009, 09:54 PM

No Thank you coco.

That was very enlightening to read that treaty. I would have never known about it if it wasn't for you bringing it up in that post.

Very interesting that they would place an article in a treaty that denied the existence of Christianity within in the government of the US. It's true on the surface but that might just benefit a masonic agenda.
Really I dont know of any treaty the US kept or held too. As Chief Red cloud said " They have made us many promises and only kept one. They promised to take our land and they took it".

.

It's quite curious to me and I can only wonder if perhaps Article 11 was included to serve some sort of diplomatic function to help ease tensions. There are historical statements that Americans had no problem with that article but in the 1800's I question just how many people were aware of this.

The American point of view was that our business in the Barbary States was strictly about trade but Article 11 makes me wonder if there could have been other issues.

We wound up going to war with them:

Tripoli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Barbary Wars
Main article: Barbary States

Tripoli Harbour during the Tripolitan WarIn the early part of the 19th century, the regency at Tripoli, owing to its piratical practices, was twice involved in war with the United States. In May 1801, the pasha demanded an increase in the tribute ($83,000) which the US government had been paying since 1796 for the protection of their commerce from piracy under the 1796 Treaty with Tripoli. The demand was refused, and a naval force was sent from the United States to blockade Tripoli.

The First Barbary War dragged on for four years. In 1803, Tripolitan fighters captured the US frigate Philadelphia and took its commander, Captain William Bainbridge, and the entire crew as prisoners. The Philadelphia was turned against the Americans and anchored in Tripoli Harbour as a gun battery. The following year, US Navy Lieutenant Stephen Decatur led a successful nighttime raid to retake and burn the ship. Decatur's men set fire to the Philadelphia and escaped.

The most colorful incident in the war was the expedition undertaken by William Eaton with the object of replacing the pasha with an elder brother living in exile, who had promised to accede to all the wishes of the United States. Eaton, at the head of a crew of 500 US Marines, Greek, Arab and Turkish Mercenaries, marched across the desert from Alexandria, Egypt and with the aid of American ships, succeeded in capturing Derna. Soon afterward, on June 3, 1805, peace was concluded. The pasha ended his demands and received $60,000 as ransom for the Philadelphia prisoners under the 1805 Treaty with Tripoli.

In 1815, in consequence of further outrages and due to the humiliation of the earlier defeat, Captains Bainbridge and Stephen Decatur, at the head of an American squadron, again visited Tripoli and forced the pasha to comply with the demands of the United States.
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And again.....

Second Barbary War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Second Barbary War (1815, also known as the Algerine or Algerian War) was the second of two wars fought between the United States and the Ottoman Empire's North African regencies of Algiers, Tripoli, and Tunis, known collectively as the Barbary States. The war would effectively be ended the following year, but then not by the United States, rather Great Britain and the Netherlands. The war brought to an end to the American practice of paying tribute to the pirate states and was one of the events marking the beginning of the end of the age of piracy in that region, which had been rampant in the days of Ottoman domination (16th–18th centuries). Within decades, European powers built ever more sophisticated and expensive ships which the Barbary pirates could not begin to match in numbers or technology.

After its victory in the First Barbary War (1801–1805), the attention of the United States was diverted to its worsening relationship with the United Kingdom over trade with France, which culminated into the War of 1812. The Barbary pirate states took this opportunity to return to their practice of attacking American and European merchant vessels in the Mediterranean Sea and holding their crews and officers for ransom.

War between USA and Algiers, 1815. The war would effectively be ended the following year, but then not by the USA, rather Great Britain and the Netherlands. This was a second war after the First Barbary War, which ended 10 years earlier. The background for the war was the continued attacks from Barbary pirates on US vessels in the Mediterranean Sea, and disagreements as to the level of tribute to be paid to the pirates.

Paying ransom
Unable to devote military resources and political will to the situation, the United States quietly recommenced paying ransom for return of the prisoners. At the same time, the major European powers were still involved in the Napoleonic Wars which did not fully end until 1815.

Declaration of War
The expulsion of American vessels from the Mediterranean during the War of 1812 by the British navy further emboldened the pirate nations in their attacks on US flagged vessels. Umar ben Muhammad, Dey of Algiers, the "Omar Bashaw" of the 1815 treaty, expelled the US consul general Tobias Lear and declared war on the United States for failing to pay its required tribute.

And the article continues....

P.S. I read your link. There is a natural order of things set in process by our Creator and they are undeniable, but man, in his 'wisdom', has sought to improve upon those things. The latter 19th century and the 20th century is blatant evidence of this to me. I don't think we should return to high collars, prejudice or empirical oppression, but I don't think remembering and practicing the grace of the natural order is a bad idea either.

boots

30-11-2009, 05:29 AM

It's quite curious to me and I can only wonder if perhaps Article 11 was included to serve some sort of diplomatic function to help ease tensions. There are historical statements that Americans had no problem with that article but in the 1800's I question just how many people were aware of this.

The American point of view was that our business in the Barbary States was strictly about trade but Article 11 makes me wonder if there could have been other issues.

We wound up going to war with them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripoli

P.S. I read your link. There is a natural order of things set in process by our Creator and they are undeniable, but man, in his 'wisdom', has sought to improve upon those things. The latter 19th century and the 20th century is blatant evidence of this to me. I don't think we should return to high collars, prejudice or empirical oppression, but I don't think remembering and practicing the grace of the natural order is a bad idea either.

I think you could be right there with regards to article 11 being slotted into that treaty. I mean there is nothing specific relating to Christianity whit the constitution of the declaration of independence. Yet isn't it on the dollar bill "in god we trust" ? Who's god is it??? The masonic god?

The natural order of things IMO is god, karma and us, as future god's realized. Yes it sounds rather weird to say "us" as gods but thats how i feel and I think TPTB/reptilian agenda has made us forget that.

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real6

30-11-2009, 03:06 PM

Thank you for this Lightgiver :)

thelonious

30-11-2009, 03:41 PM

I think you could be right there with regards to article 11 being slotted into that treaty. I mean there is nothing specific relating to Christianity whit the constitution of the declaration of independence. Yet isn't it on the dollar bill "in god we trust" ? Who's god is it??? The masonic god?

Since Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Paine, etc., were Deists instead of Christians, it is easy to assume the Deistic God is meant. There is certainly no indication that "In God We Trust" refers to Christianity.

kadosh

30-11-2009, 04:04 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/1in_god_we_trust.jpg

In God We Trust is the official motto of the United States. The motto first appeared on a United States coin in 1864 during strong Christian sentiment emerging during the Civil War, but In God We Trust did not become the official U.S. national motto until after the passage of an Act of Congress in 1956. It is codified as federal law in the United States Code at 36 U.S.C. § 302, which provides: "In God we trust" is the national motto".

The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. - http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml

coco

30-11-2009, 04:39 PM

Since Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Paine, etc., were Deists instead of Christians, it is easy to assume the Deistic God is meant. There is certainly no indication that "In God We Trust" refers to Christianity.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/1in_god_we_trust.jpg

In God We Trust is the official motto of the United States. The motto first appeared on a United States coin in 1864 during strong Christian sentiment emerging during the Civil War, but In God We Trust did not become the official U.S. national motto until after the passage of an Act of Congress in 1956. It is codified as federal law in the United States Code at 36 U.S.C. § 302, which provides: "In God we trust" is the national motto".

The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. - http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml

Aha! That explains Article 11. Thank you.

thelonious

30-11-2009, 04:42 PM

Kadosh, just noticed your atavar and I'm curious: are you a member of the Rosicrucian Fellowship ala Heindel?

lightgiver

30-11-2009, 06:29 PM

Thank you for this Lightgiver :)

:)

You may have to go back and check posts due to the vids going missing on my posts,like they always do.;)

its sticky situation,either that or someone is removing them.

lightgiver

29-01-2010, 12:50 AM

History - Grand & Glorious Order of The Hillbilly Degree:

Many years ago, shortly after I became a Shriner, I was exposed to the world of side-line degrees. Now to reach this point in life, a man must first become a Mason. That is a member of the Masonic Lodge. This is a very great organization, so like my father and brothers, I was very proud to become a member.

Now that I was a Mason; I was promptly informed that I must go on up." Some urged me to take the York Rites, and some said take the Scottish Rites; some even said to take both. This some of the best advice that I have ever had that I followed. Now I was able to petition and join the Shrine. Shrine Temples are in all areas of North America and apparently these fellows have fun.

So I became a Shriner. A Shriner is permitted to wear the red fez and join in the many social and charitable activities. He can join the Clown Unit, the Marching Patrol, Oriental Band, or other groups and participate in the colorful parades and be seen in many public places. The social activities are many and always proud to be helping support the Shriners Hospitals. What could be finer than to have fun and help the crippled and burned children at the same time?

At this point I was beginning to acquire a billfold full of cards. Each of the Masonic organizations issues their own annual card, and they soon add up. Then the Temple issues a card; and each of the Units also issues their own annual cards. Now a Shriner becomes exposed to the world of side-line degrees. Many Shriners loved to join as many as possible in order to be able to display the membership cards-sometimes dozens and dozens, and he is always proudest if he has more than the other Shriner. It is quite common to see Shriners have special card cases; which they will flip out at the faintest hint to unfold a strip of cards a yard or two long. This is the world of the side-line degree.

Side-line Degrees came under many names: the Horse Traders, Swords of Timbuktu, Yellow Dog, Mandarin, Mad Dogs of Lebanon and many, many others. Often I would wonder where the money that myself and others paid out for these small pieces of cardboard [the valuable membership card] was going to. Why I even joined the Old Bastards. The money went and the number of membership cards grew.

Slowly into my world of awareness came the realization that all of this money paid out for the side-line degrees was going to Shrine clubs, groups of individuals and sometimes to single individuals. The money paid for fine banquets and parties, material objects, and sometimes went into an individuals pocket. Furthermore, some of the Rituals left me rather cold or in disgust. This could not be right.

What the Shriners needed was a new side-line degree, one that had a new and interesting ritual, and above all a purpose—namely that all profits would go for a worthy cause, to help the children who were admitted to the Shriners Hospitals. The members of this new side-line degree must have some fun and enjoy the activities so that he wanted his friends to also participate, and help spread the word of the new Degree. Rules must be drawn up to assure that all profits went to help those crippled and burned children of the Shriners Hospitals and for no other purpose.

After discussing side-line degrees with a friend one day back in 1969, 1 decided to see if I could put something down in writing to establish such a new degree. I could only draw upon my own experiences--born and raised in the Hills of West Virginia and now living in the hills of Kentucky. I could recall the outhouse moon; which closely resembled the Crescent, a symbol held in the highest esteem by all Shriners. This somehow reminded me of corn cobs, moonshine, etc. So I sat down and wrote. Slowly the new Degree took substance and form

Now the Hillbilly Degree did not take form in a few days; it really took several months and several rewrites. The truth is, if I had it to do over, there are a few other changes I would make. However, it finally looked pretty good. Much better than most of the other side-line degrees that I had taken.

Then I wrote a Constitution to assure that no one made any money from this Hillbilly Degree--all profits must go to help those crippled and burned children of the Shriners Hospitals. Now we are ready to go, and a couple of friends agreed to help me try out the new Degree.

With the help of a couple of friends, it takes three to put on the Degree work, we initiated a few of the Shriners of El Hasa Temple in Ashland, Kentucky and everyone seemed to enjoy it. So we realized that the new Hillbilly Degree would be accepted at least as well as the many other side-line degrees.

The next step was to obtain a copyright, so that no group could come along later and put on this degree and not abide by the rules that the profits must go to help the crippled and burned children. This was what it was all about. Thus copyright No. 23370 was obtained in 1970 which can and will be renewed after it expires. Now all that these first Hillbillies received upon initiation was the membership cards. Now we found a source for Hillbilly Hats, and everyone started to wear their ‘Hillbilly Tuxedos," the overalls to all meetings. The more worn and patched, the better they were accepted. The Hillbilly Degree was on the way, but we still thought of this as only a local side-line degree for the El Hasa Temple area.

At the Imperial Shrine Convention in Miami, Florida in 1970 we decided to put the Hillbilly Degree work on. Over a hundred joined from other Temples, and the Shriners from Hejaz Temple in South Carolina wanted to be authorized to put on this Hillbilly Degree and put on the work in the name of their own Clan. This called for some quick action.

Since it was apparent that The Grand and Glorious Order of the Hillbilly Degree was a success, it was important to tie up all the loose ends. A Trust agreement was drawn up between the three officers accepting the responsibility of control of any money coming into their hands to be for the charitable benefit of the crippled and burned children. Agreement was certified and duly registered. An application was filed with the Internal Revenue Service for exemption from Federal income tax and was approved. Finally approval was granted by the Board of Trustees of the Shriners Hospitals for Crippled Children to raise money for the Shriners Hospitals.

Now, do you know of any other side-line degree in Shrinedom that has received all of these approvals? If you do, let me know so that I can apply for membership.

An Application for Chapter was drawn up and the people of South Carolina from Hejaz Temple were granted Clan No. 2. Slowly the word went out and Kosair received Clan No. 3. Beni Kedem in W. Va. asked for Clan No. 4 in 1971; and Syrian of Cincinnati received Clan No. 5 in 1972. Clan No. 6 at Nemesis of W. Va. was not set up until 1974, Aladdin of Columbus, Ohio became Clan No. 7.

No. 8 also went to Aladdin, the only Temple to have two Clans. Then came Rajah, Bektash, Yaarab, Lulu, Oasis, Murat, Kena, Al Koran, Acca and Morocco. Others followed in Al Chymia, Crescent, Moslem, etc. to the current total of 60 Clans as of Sept. 1981. Two are in Canada.

http://www.trowel.com/hillbilly99/history.htm

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:iIBY5nH_vgcJ:hillbillyclan75.com/Hillbilly%2520Man%2520Petition.pdf+shrine+hillbill y+degree&hl=en&gl=fr&sig=AHIEtbTxOuLqj3CuHQMrf25IOhs6Q_9hww

lightgiver

05-03-2010, 10:53 PM

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2570/612v.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/i/612v.jpg/)

Freemasonry in modern terms had its inception in Europe from local trade Guilds that functioned as Operative Masons in the early 1700's, but Speculative Masonry can be traced back to Ancient Egypt (Kemit) where spiritual schools of thought were developed that evolved around understanding the mysteries of Deity and enhancing moral principles.

WHERE IT ALL BEGAN IN KEMET (EGYPT)

The esteemed scholar and researcher Dr. George G.M. James in his monumental book titled, "Stolen Legacy" that was written in 1954, wrote about the Egyptian Mystery Schools, which he maintained that a complex system of neophyte initiations were developed and worked in Kemet (Egypt).

But more importantly, this sophisticated system of learning was of an African origin and not indigenous to Greece and Rome as traditional Eurocentric scholars have falsely maintained, but Plato, Aristotle and Socrates sat directly or indirectly, at the foot of African Sages who inspired them to enlighten Europe.

This small article is offered as a challenge to Prince Hall Masons from the Blue Lodge, concordant bodies, appendant adoptive bodies and auxiliary bodies to began to research, write, debate, document, etc., Masonic philosophy and stop relying on other scholars to interpret this ancient craft for them. Many believe the beauty in Masonry lies in one's ability to work and recite ritual, but what good has this, if we have very little understanding of truly why the Worshipful Master sits in the East, the Senior Warden in the West and Junior Warden in the South. We then only have symbol without real substance.

NOBLES OF THE MYSTIC SHRINE

There is a contemporary belief in Shrindom teachings that acknowledge that the ritual (the Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine) was compiled, arranged and issued at Aleppo, Saudi Arabia, by Louis Maracci, the great Latin Translator of Muhammad's AI-Koran. In 1871 the ritual was brought to America by transient foreign members and representatives and placed in the hands of Dr. Walter M. Flemings 33rd degree, Sovereign Inspector General A and A. Rite, and Eminent Commander of Columbia Commandry No.1. Knights Templar of New York.
Dr. Fleming and eleven other members had complete sovereignty, Mecca Temple No.1, remained inactive until December, 1875, when W. J. Florence came from Europe bringing with him the Oriental Ritual of the order, as it was worked in foreign countries. 1876 W. J. Florence called together such of the original members of the organization of 1871 as were living and constituted in December 1876 Mecca Temple No.1 as head of the Ancient Arabic Order Nobles of the Mystic Shrine (Caucasian Shrine Order) III America.

There is some belief that Caucasian Shriners do practice Islam in secrecy, but African American Shriners who belong to the Ancient Egyptian Arabic Order Nobles of the Mystic Shrine founded in 1893, has a romanticized ritual and view of Islam, that lack the seriousness, in which Caucasian Shriners truly observe Islam as the final Masonic step in their traveling from west to east in search of more light in Masonry.

Islam is one of the world's three great religions, it translate to mean surrender, obedience and peace. Those who adhere to the religion are called Muslims, thus, this Arabic term is defined as on who submits his/her will in order to do the will of Allah (God).

Muslims in general, view Shrine Masonry as profane, heretical and blasphemous. However, the majority of African-American Islam had its roots in Ancient Egyptian Arabic Order Nobles of the Mystic Shrine; moreover, Noble Abdul Sharrief Ali (Noble Drew Ali) the founder of the Moorish Science Temple of America in 1913 formalized the first Islamic organization in America in Newark, New Jersey, he himself was 33rd degree Mason.

ELIJAH MUHAMMAD SAYS MASONRY WAS NOT MEANT FOR THE BLACK MAN

Elijah Muhammad depicts Freemasonry as a true rendition of the Caucasian man's history whom blacks permitted to come amongst them in the Holy Land, but once they started causing trouble and confusion, according to Muhammad they were stripped of everything (interpreted to mean the Islamic Supreme Wisdom), other than the original man's language, e.g., of the royal garments and gave him an apron to hide his shame, hoodwinked and cable towed him and ran him 2200 miles across the hot Arabian Desert. Muhammad teaches that the Asiatic Black man chased him back to the hills and cave sides of Europe (a place of darkness and un-enlightenment).

Hmm.

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4114

- Ramses II: Professor P. F. Ceccaldi, a famed Egyptologist, studied his mummy. Microscopic examinations showed that the hair roots contained natural red pigments, and that therefore, during his younger days, Ramesses II had been a red head. With age, his hair got even lighter. He also had wavy hair common among whites.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/57/ramesses.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/i/ramesses.jpg/)

Hmm.

Egyptian Mummies with Blond, Brown and Red hair « Guy White: Making Sense On Race:

http://guywhite.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/egyptian-mummies-with-blond-brown-and-red-hair/

- Queen Hetop-Heres II, of the Fourth Dynasty, the daughter of Cheops, the builder of the great pyramid had reddish blond hair. Her hair is painted a bright yellow stippled with little red horizontal lines, and her skin is white. (‘The Races of Europe’, Carleton Stevens Coon, New York City, Macmillan. 1939, p.98)

- Egyptian Female Pharaoh, Queen Hatshepsut, wife of Pharaoh Thutmosis II. She ruled Egypt after Thutmosis’ death in 1520 BC. Her hair was long and auburn .

- Biblical Joseph was Egyptian Prime Minister Yuya. His mummy was recovered and he had light, blond hair.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/978/hatshepsuthair.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/hatshepsuthair.jpg/)

zero1

06-03-2010, 12:30 AM

ELIJAH MUHAMMAD SAYS MASONRY WAS NOT MEANT FOR THE BLACK MAN

Elijah Muhammad depicts Freemasonry as a true rendition of the Caucasian man's history whom blacks permitted to come amongst them in the Holy Land, but once they started causing trouble and confusion, according to Muhammad they were stripped of everything (interpreted to mean the Islamic Supreme Wisdom), other than the original man's language, e.g., of the royal garments and gave him an apron to hide his shame, hoodwinked and cable towed him and ran him 2200 miles across the hot Arabian Desert. Muhammad teaches that the Asiatic Black man chased him back to the hills and cave sides of Europe (a place of darkness and un-enlightenment).

Hmm.

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4114

- Ramses II: Professor P. F. Ceccaldi, a famed Egyptologist, studied his mummy. Microscopic examinations showed that the hair roots contained natural red pigments, and that therefore, during his younger days, Ramesses II had been a red head. With age, his hair got even lighter. He also had wavy hair common among whites.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/57/ramesses.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/i/ramesses.jpg/)

Hmm.

I notice that's FahimKnight's blog, he sometimes posts here, the same sort of stuff.

lightgiver

06-03-2010, 12:59 AM

I notice that's FahimKnight's blog, he sometimes posts here, the same sort of stuff.

Yes ,but it appears quite a few of the the Pharaohs were white so his assumptions do not add up.:)

This is the site it came off http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/

zero1

06-03-2010, 01:04 AM

Yes ,but it appears quite a few of the the Pharaohs were white so his assumptions do not add up. :)

Yes I know, there is much to dispute in his Afro-centric theory of religion and civilization. Personally, I think much if not all of 'history' as we know it is bunk, falsified outright or half-truths at best. Still, he argues from his POV well on here, he has many interesting posts. Going to bed now, nice talking with you LG. :)

lightgiver

06-03-2010, 01:25 AM

Yes I know, there is much to dispute in his Afro-centric theory of religion and civilization. Personally, I think much if not all of 'history' as we know it is bunk, falsified outright or half-truths at best. Still, he argues from his POV well on here, he has many interesting posts. Going to bed now, nice talking with you LG. :)

Indeed ,

Bonne nuit :)

bowtiedaddy

06-03-2010, 09:10 AM

The United States is the only advanced western democracy without some form of universal health care.

Yes, with the economic system the western world has largely adopted as of late, it allows the marketplace to be dominated by monopolies, and encourages crony capitalism between government and big business. Running the system in a competitive free market system where monopolies aren't allowed to exist, health care becomes decentralized, localized, and affordible as a necessity to survive, irregardless of the potential selfish intent of those involved.

The only reason why insurance is needed in the first place is because that industry has been allowed to grow into anti-competitive proportions of central control. Instead of having to compete on the marketplace in proportion to the means of the customer base, we have huge monopolies hiking the prices up to a point where literally no-one can afford their costs, giving the need for an insurance program as a form of financial pyramid scam. If all the sudden, say, Shoes became a similar market, you'd likely see big banks form "shoe insurance" companies, in case you just might need to buy that $200,000 pair of shoes that Universal Shoe Makers (one of 2 companies that dominate the entire marketplace who engage in illegal price fixing schemes to mututally profit from). Maybe then, the government can use it as a potential power grab by posing as the saviors to that big old greedy Univeral Shoe Makers Inc. They'll appoint all the former USM Inc executives to taxpayer funded positions, while outlawing any potential competition, keep the price high, and impose the power of the state to take care of anyone who doesn't want to patronize the new socialized version of USM Inc.

Government controlled healthcare, is merely just a coerced version of this system, granting the same group of fatcats the force of law to ensure that people will be forced to be patrons of their services, ultimately completing their absolute monopoly of the marketplace, irregardless of their responsiblity to fulfil the needs of their customers, rather meeting the needs of the enablers that secure their dominance over their field via total elimination of the competion and enforcement of patronship.

Instead of cheap patches to the result of the program, which don't really fix anything, we should just get to the source of it, and fix it right out, so no patches are needed. Then again, what ever would a poltician do if there were no mystical problem to "solve" that justifies (conveniently) much more authority for them and their business friends.

Have you ever noticed that the ones being demonized lately more than anyone are the ones beating the drum of free market economics by the establishment? What does this tell you?

It's all a scam. You've bought it hook line and sinker.

eurofighter

11-03-2010, 06:30 PM

That Pharoah on the first page looks like Obama

lightgiver

11-03-2010, 07:45 PM

That Pharoah on the first page looks like Obama

Thats what I thought also ;)

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/461/shriners.png (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/shriners.png/)

Uncanny.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5572/barackhenatenrenaissanc.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/barackhenatenrenaissanc.jpg/)

Hmm