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rhydra
25-10-2009, 01:30 PM
I was reading an article about a film about a US army programme which involved research into the paranormal, the background of the film is a real programme which involved remote viewing, ESP and other paranormal experiments including a chief who was convinced that one day people would be able to pass though solid objects such as walls.

After the Cold war the experiments were shelved (officially anyway) the Soviet Union, which also was conducting similar experiments, collapsed and there was no real need to pay for research.

Come to this century and governments around the world jump when someone who may be alive, may not be goes BOO! from a cave, the project has been rumoured to have been started again, if it was ever ended...

It is also alleged that the MoD in the UK is also involved in such research.

Remember that if there was no possibility of this, if it was too silly to even contemplate would the US and other government have given a single penny for research?

This got me to thinking about what I have read about the shadow people. Shapeless masses, a man in a hat, small shapes mostly seen indirectly, sometimes seen directly, they pass through walls, sometimes are able to make objects move. They are not said to be human, or have been felt to have been human but are no longer. The possibility is that this is part of a conscious human, the rest of their human spirit is in their body, so they won't be felt as being human, their humanity might be in a room somewhere being too heavy to lug around.

Also, the phenomenon of the shadow people is said to be increasing. Coincidence?

yeah
25-10-2009, 01:36 PM
and the goats

truth finder
26-10-2009, 12:47 PM
I was reading an article about a film about a US army programme which involved research into the paranormal, the background of the film is a real programme which involved remote viewing, ESP and other paranormal experiments including a chief who was convinced that one day people would be able to pass though solid objects such as walls.

After the Cold war the experiments were shelved (officially anyway) the Soviet Union, which also was conducting similar experiments, collapsed and there was no real need to pay for research.

Come to this century and governments around the world jump when someone who may be alive, may not be goes BOO! from a cave, the project has been rumoured to have been started again, if it was ever ended...

It is also alleged that the MoD in the UK is also involved in such research.

Remember that if there was no possibility of this, if it was too silly to even contemplate would the US and other government have given a single penny for research?

This got me to thinking about what I have read about the shadow people. Shapeless masses, a man in a hat, small shapes mostly seen indirectly, sometimes seen directly, they pass through walls, sometimes are able to make objects move. They are not said to be human, or have been felt to have been human but are no longer. The possibility is that this is part of a conscious human, the rest of their human spirit is in their body, so they won't be felt as being human, their humanity might be in a room somewhere being too heavy to lug around.

Also, the phenomenon of the shadow people is said to be increasing. Coincidence?



This is an intreating topic..i was at another forrum and the where disscusion it, it was very intreating..if i can find it i will post a link, but it was a while ago..

yeah
27-10-2009, 01:45 AM
I had to know about the goat connection, and bloody hell here it is. I was snooping through another forum i belong to and what was posted today but this story in more detail. SWEEET.....Here's the link
http://www.jonronson.com/goats_chapter.html

goldenbear
27-10-2009, 03:51 PM
it is a well documented thing that the soviet union had their own physi ops going on as well as nazi germany. even the uk has got it going on.

i read books dating back to the 60,s confirming it but covering up as fiction.

dennis wheatly was a brill novel writer which incorportated much of the government physi op themes along with the satanist rituals. i thought at the time of reading how would a fictional writer know so much about this stuff.

knowing what i know now i can understand this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Wheatley

bulletproofheart
27-10-2009, 04:07 PM
Sounds like the tv series "Fringe"

kimball13
28-10-2009, 03:26 AM
Sounds like the tv series "Fringe"
fringe is closer to the truth than you know,,,,,,,,even old jim channon is only touching the surface,,,,,,,and he has ATT&T's resorces and other top 100 corporations at his disposal,,,,,,,,check it out what do you think a social engenear does,,,,,,,,,,,,i prefer social archetect to engeneers because in the feild of social sciences and such it is the archetects that are the ones that know what works and how to fix it.

culix
29-10-2009, 03:35 AM
Interesting topic. I just downloaded a Coast To Coast AM show and they talked to the man that said that. There is actually a movie being made now that is called "The Men Who Stared At Goats" The movie is about that guys battalion if i remember correct. Its a very interesting interview. I will upload it right now.

edit: Here it is. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LB96LPQH Its a 4 hour long interview on 55 MB. Hope you like it.
btw, i haven't heard it all my self, i got it yesterday and was kinda tired. But it is what you are looking for. Enjoy :)

kimball13
30-10-2009, 06:25 PM
i just want to put out there all but a few things about it i do agree and have many similar or same idea's about it.

The First Earth Battalion.

it was developed by a man that may be of a caliber to be one that i may consider a mentor of types.
and i know ive mentioned a distaste for the man, but to be honest most of that was due to several reasons one was, to be honest, abandonment issues:othe other reasons should maybe left to he and i for now, who knows he may know or may not know,,,,,,,,who knows maybe we have been speaking all along or following the same plan or agenda while still remaining seprate,,,,,,,,,,kinda like running parralel.

and im pretty sure most will only look at the abandonment issue thingy, im not going into the rest, that might have to wait.

it was very soothing believe it or not to hear his interveiw on coast to coast the other night.





http://www.enlightennext.org/magazin...irst-earth.asp (http://www.enlightennext.org/magazine/j32/first-earth.asp)
Since its dawning nearly forty years ago, the New Age movement has manifested itself in all sorts of unusual ways, but none perhaps as bizarre and counterintuitive as the First Earth Battalion. Conceived in 1977 by a young Lt. Colonel in the U.S. Army, the First Earth Battalion was to become America’s second army—this one a peace-loving group of spiritually enlightened soldiers equipped with the best in technology and psychic powers. A few years earlier, Lt. Colonel Jim Channon had returned from his tour of duty in Vietnam depressed and acutely aware of the failures of the American military. “We suffered in Vietnam from not being cunning,” he told an interviewer. “We just presented ourselves in our righteousness, and we got our butts shot off.” Channon wrote to the vice chief of staff at the Pentagon asking permission to go on a “fact-finding mission,” and after clearance was granted, he began his research for the battalion. Traveling to the West Coast, he spent two years visiting over one hundred fifty New Age groups, futurists, psychotherapists, theologians, martial arts masters, and a “wide array of practitioners both Western and Eastern, ancient and modern, and orthodox and mystic.” Upon his return in 1979, Channon presented the results of his research to the Pentagon in the form of a 125-page manual replete with instructions, blueprints, diagrams, and illustrations for a new military, one that would absorb and implement every conceivable New Age technique and belief on a planetary scale. “It is America’s role,” he wrote, “to lead the world to paradise.” http://www.enlightennext.org/magazine/j32/first-earth/images/soldier.jpg
The First Earth Battalion would be composed not of soldiers but of “aquarian warriors” and “evolutionaries.” “I see them,” Channon wrote, “as those who have soldier spirit within them. I see them come together in the name of people and planet to create a new environment of support for the earth mother. Their mission is to protect the possible and nurture the potential.” The First Earth Battalion would also include “guerilla gurus” to conduct “high consciousness commando raids” and would be capable of using “omni-directional thought” to implement “non-destructive methods of control” over the enemy. Intuition would be consulted first and foremost by battalion soldiers. A chapter on ethical combat describes uniforms that are colorful and functional so that the “individual will shine through the uniformity” and includes drawings of techno-savvy battle gear with pockets for “natural foods,” “ginseng regulators,” and “divining tools.” Alternating between military-speak and spiritual metaphysics, Channon’s manual predicts that the military will move out of its “cultural trance” in order to allow soldiers to “release . . . the force inside . . . for no other descriptions matter in the end. The Earth Battalion honors all paths to enlightenment.”
If you’re having a hard time taking Channon’s vision seriously, it may shock you to find out that the Pentagon did. In his recent book The Men Who Stare at Goats, British author Jon Ronson details how the principles and ideas of the First Earth Battalion—specifically psychic powers and nonlethal weaponry—were tested and implemented in oftentimes incredible ways within weeks of Channon’s initial presentation to top officials at the Pentagon. (Note the name of the book. According to Ronson, the military has had its own goat lab at Fort Bragg for the past twenty-five years where select soldiers have attempted to kill goats by staring at them. Reportedly, it has worked only once.) In his witty voice, Ronson also manages to ingeniously map how these ideas are at work today, albeit in very different guises from those that Jim Channon envisioned. The First Earth Battalion “struck a cord with the top brass, who had never before seen themselves as new age, but in their post-Vietnam funk it all made sense to them,” Ronson writes. “But then, over the decades that followed, the army, being what it is, recovered its strength and saw that some of the ideas contained within Jim’s manual could be used to shatter people rather than heal them. Those are the ideas that live on in the War on Terror.”
Among the techniques cited by Ronson that are currently being funded and researched by the military are acoustic weapons designed to create “nausea, loss of bowel, disorientation, vomiting”; Special Ops “psychic assassins”; and the Prophet Hologram. The Prophet Hologram is a “projection of the image of an ancient god over an enemy capital whose public communications have been seized and used against it in a massive psychological operation.” Perhaps Ronson’s most interesting insights concern the nonlethal methods of thought control and manipulation that he speculates have been tested in Guantanamo Bay as “Experimental Lab Mark I” and “were exported to Abu Ghraib.” It’s a strange but fascinating tale—from the human potential movement to some of the darkest moments in American military history taking place in the interrogation rooms of Iraq. And if you still can’t fathom the connection between the New Age and the U.S. military, just consider a recent BBC report citing U.S. Army research and development of a “Gay Bomb” in the early 1990s. “The plan for a so-called ‘love bomb,’” the BBC reported, “envisaged an aphrodisiac chemical that would provoke widespread homosexual behaviour among troops causing what the military called a ‘distasteful but completely non-lethal’ blow to morale.”
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kimball13
30-10-2009, 06:27 PM
http://firstearthbattalion.org/ (http://firstearthbattalion.org/)

im not sure the exact time or even year but it was sometime between 2002-2004, i would probley have to go through my records to find exatly when

a few years ago around 2003 i was in contact with jim, im not sure what happend but at the time other things were occuring,,,,,,,,but the story i laid out became more important than conecting with like minded millitary types and such,,,,,,,,as well as other problems and probley his responsobilitys.

part of what i think went on in our exchange was this much,,,,,,,unbenownst to him and maybe me i think i may have been kinda like second generation of this type of individual.

He was one of the few men that i felt could cat and mouse me to a point, and to tell you the truth i was hoping and praying he was on the level about his life path because i did not want to see the potential of my own abilitys provoked by another.

i suppose my attitude at times durring my post concerining this man may also be due to my recognizing that he is off a level to possibly be one of the few that could guide me through some of the things i need guidance and instruction in,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Who knows maybe he is realy Merlyn,,,,,,,,,,,go figure his sight is called Arcturus http://arcturus.org/arcturus3/ (http://arcturus.org/arcturus3/)

and my spritual teacher of the Lakota souix used to call me Merlin,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so its kinda like carring your freinds name with you,,,,,,that is kinda what kept me ignorant,,,,,,,,,,but i also knew he knew what i had to do and go through,,,,,,so i combined both into it,,,,,,,,,,kinda like using a proces to drive a type of mission,,,,,,,,,,,not necisarrily methond acting but similar,,,,,,,,,its kinda like going into a spritual emotional slipstream to carry you to the destination,,,,,,,,,,or finding a way throught the enemy's lines to the enemys base,,,,,,,,,,now remember im not just talking in the physical but multi dimensional or as jim calls it multi reality's:D.


i realy cannot tell you how tickled i am about all of this,,,,,,,,,,it is a delight to hear a clear minded individual with the same understandings i have,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the last conversation i had with Jim Channon his words were simple yet scary as shit to me, they did that to you to,,,,,,,as in what was done to him was also done to me:confused:.

But that whole first earth battalion and Arcturus thing.
then if i am second Gen, then just maybe i cause a bit of a scare among elders, maybe that show the FRinge is closer than you think about a group of children being prepared to save the planet,,,,,,,,,,,oh ya i forgot to mention that what happend as a small boy at the masonic temple and clinic was for a good reason and i felt and knew even as a little boy that it was for Good.
But as you all know how this stuff goes, info must be only released at the right time, as well spritual warfare and self defence is a human right in my opinion and well truth,,,,,the reason why is Good always wins on an equal playing feild when teaching this is done,,,,,,,,those that choose an evil or destructive path are always found out about because it is obviose to some of us,,,,,,,,,but that is one of my gifts,,,,,,,,,,,,,i can almost read the Heart,,,,,,,,,,,,im not a mind reader and find it distastfull and an invasion of privacy on a spiritual level(but i understand why some must use it and i do not judge some of them, but some are using it for greedy purposes)))) i read the Heart,,,,,,,



And Jim if you read this i want you to know i apologize for some of my harsh words,,,,,,,i also knew that of you level of spiritual training and life experience you could take the empty words, and you would know that i was only allowing that emotion for a reason and it was not necisarrily towards you,,,,,,,,,,,,i also knew you knew of my confusion's and had to sort it out myself,,,,,,and you also knew that i use a type of fail safe in my medicine practice(shamanic ways)and it was/is your heart's responce.

alright ive gotten musshy enough, and i also know that jims ego can take both harsh words as well as compliments,,,,,,and i will hold in reserve the rest of my admiration(what i mean by admiration is kinda like how i see Elders,,,,especialy elder spriritual warriors)and he wont grow a big ego with arrogant overtones from compliments as some have done,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that may be why ive become very carefull with my compliments.

and that is another gift of mine,,,,,,,,,,i seem to be able to boost others gifts,,,,,,,,,and for some they get very egotistical about it and arrogant,,,,,,,,,,,,,many have used me for just this reason and even after i warned them the continued,,,,,it wsa heart wrenching for me to just let them fall on there face because not only can i boost but i can also subdue,,,,,,,,,,,,just a gift of a Pendragon,,,,,,,,not a dragon or reptile but more of a Birdtribe,,,,,,,,,,,or maybe arcturus start system the ARCturians:eek:


damit i havetn been this jazzed in a while,,,,,,,,ive been waiting for this for years to be honest and have held back.


dam good thing im not hanging out with him we might not get anything done but sitting around jaw jacking about knowledge and concepts and aplications,,,,,,,,,,dam i would love to have him as a co-worker.

you see even though im his younger and he's 1st gen im still a fire chief of the inipi and sundance cerimony's so i cannot dishonor him by placing myself beneath him,,,,,,,,,,you see i was taught my place in many ways and it is kinda along side learning as well as teaching the Elders,,,,,,,i know it sounds strange to some but this is the way it used to be and is coming to be again,,,,,,,,,,,maybe jim knows a better way to explane it.
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